User talk:John

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A Note on threading:

Interpersonal communication does not work when messages are left on individual users' talk pages rather than threaded, especially when a third party wishes to read or reply.

Being a "bear of very little brain", I get easily confused when trying to follow conversations that bounce back and forth, so I've decided to try the convention that many others seem to use, aggregation of messages on either your talk page or my talk page. If the conversation is about an article I will try to aggregate on the article's talk page.

  • If the conversation is on your talk page or an article talk page, I will watch it.
  • If the conversation is on my talk page or an article talk page and I think that you may not be watching it, I will link to it in a note on your talk page, or in the edit summary of an empty edit. But if you start a thread here, please watch it.

I may mess up, don't worry, I'll find it eventually. Ping me if you really need to.

please note this is a personal preference rather than a matter of site policy

(From User:John/Pooh policy)

Calvin Cheng[edit]

Anonymous vandalism is continuing. Aricialam (talk) 08:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 October 2015[edit]

The Signpost: 04 November 2015[edit]


I know you do might disagree with my assertions that opinions cited and ascribed as such can be used even from the "Daily Mail" and that there is no such thing as a "reliable source" for celebrity gossip - but we tend to agree far more often than not overall. Thank you for noting my strong positions on Twain for sure! Collect (talk) 19:55, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Us old timers tend to gravitate towards common positions. I certainly agree with you strongly over Twain. --John (talk) 20:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Virginia Tech Project Invite[edit]

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject Virginia Tech, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Virginia Tech. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!

Go Hokies (talk) 22:42, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 November 2015[edit]

Nomination of International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) may the force be with you 21:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Quotation removal[edit]

Hi, please explain the rationale behind this diff. Perhaps there's a relevant section in the quotations policy that I overlooked, but it seems to me that these quotes are very relevant to the article and should be included for their informative value. Thanks, --Pine 04:49, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Huh, really? To me this is a very basic thing. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of quotes, but a summary of the best sources. If the article was left full of random quotes it would not be an article but a quote farm. An article like this would not be our work but someone else's, which would run us into problems with our policy to be a free resource. Didn't you have to learn this basic aspect of writing in secondary school? --John (talk) 07:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
(Article talk page best?) It conveys nuance. If used as a quote, there is less responsibility for those nuances. The nuances could be stated in the Wikipedia article, but doing so might not be 'encyclopedic'. 2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01 (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

Paris attacks[edit]

Hello. With respect, it isn't "trivia" to state one of the victims collaborated with Justin Bieber. That is why I reverted your edit. Thanks. Juneau Mike (talk) 08:53, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Take it to article talk? The real question is, was this covered in any decent sources? --John (talk) 08:54, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Reverted edit[edit]

You might want to give a reason for your actions in the discussion here Talk:November_2015_Paris_attacks#Ahmad_Almuhammad. Jan Winnicki * 09:17, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Or I might not. --John (talk) 09:32, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


I'm assuming nn means Not Notable (WP:NOTABLE)Eteethan(talk) 21:52, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
Exactly. --John (talk) 22:16, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 November 2015[edit]


St Cecilia's Day
A Boy was Born - Benjamin Britten - page header.jpg
A Boy was Born

Music in your ears and heart! (in a box) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Vielen Dank, Gerda. Das war sehr hubsch von Dir. --John (talk) 23:03, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I made a project member box, did you see? - I miss the image in the article which I started 2 years ago (on the boy's centenary), miss also Britten's title. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Keen to know what you think (as Administrator)[edit]

Hello John, it's been a while. I'm trying to be as brief as well as concise, as possible. Generally in our articles about TV-series a list called "overseas" or "also aired in", is added towards the end of the article. But now has the user AlexTheWhovian imposed new language related rules. Or perhaps is it I and a few others who haven't understood ? In any case, I wasn't allowed to start a list of countries/nations in the Black Sails (TV series) and adding Denmark there, as DR3 now aires the second series. Discussion can be found at AlexTheWhovian 's talk side. (But I simply cannot get it in blue. Please go from Black Sails (TV series) -> history -> and there is a blue link to him.). The key question as I see it, is whether it's of encyclopedical value to see how well spread a certain TV-series is, or isn't it ? Should I fight AlexTheWhovian ideas, do you think ? (Though I'm so tired of the small fuss, and hence my reason to ask you for advice) Thanks. Boeing720 (talk) 02:31, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Re this, I agree with User:AlexTheWhovian. --John (talk) 06:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Unfortunately, no matter how many times I tell Boeing720, WP:TVINTL is not a new policy, and countries where English is not the main language do not get included. They then go on to say how other articles list these countries, but WP:OTHERSTUFF then applies. It's a infinite cycle with Boeing720. And yes, concerning the edit that you linked, John, being filmed in South Africa does not make it a South African series, no matter of how it is assisted with production. (And thanks for the ping; I wasn't aware that Boeing720 was talking about me behind my back without my knowledge.) Alex|The|Whovian 07:11, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
To Alex - do you think we should delete parts of the following articles as well ? A Touch of Frost [2], Midsummer Murders [3] or Taggart[4] or Wire in the Blood [5] ? Is not an" infinite cycle with Boeing720" - this statement is both wrong and personal. Hundereds of other contributors have helped to expand the lists in questions. And we can't have one rule for Black Sails and others rules in every other TV-series, can we ? So we are discussion basic rules here. International sales, distribution or airing does not make Wikipedia "a TV-guide" !
To John - I didn't ask for advice about Black Sails and nationality. On that topic I already had given up. But about the lists of international broadcastings, which affects lots of other articles, as in my examples above, I thought an advice could be could be handy. Sorry to have disturbed. Boeing720 (talk) 22:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
Can I suggest that you both continue this at article talk? If you ping me, I promise to read what you write and comment if I feel I can. How would that be? --John (talk) 23:16, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
It would of couce be alright ! If I only knew how to! To me ping is just a DOS-tool, so far. I can see the two figures "Your alerts" and "Your meassages". But by pointing at them, just old matters come up. Perhaps You can provide me with an explaining link ? Boeing720 (talk) 00:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I'm not an expert but there is a template: {{ping|John}} would work, I think, or you could just link my user name and that would also work (I think): [[User:John]]. --John (talk) 09:23, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for that hint John! I have although written "PING" (and just my signature) on your talk-sike , but this was deleted by the "almighty (?)" User:AlexTheWhovian. The issue about which TV-series that has been aired in which countries isn't the main reason why I began contributing. I.o.w. it's not of extreme importance to me, but the the underlying principles is. Can one single contributor turn things up side down before any discussion is made, and far less setteled. If You care about the principles, please have a look at the talk-page at Black Sails. In my mind, it's never a good idea to have one single contributor who starts deleting lots of old material, gathered by many contributors, simply based at his iterpretation of WP:TVINTL (in this case). According to Alex, the rule is old - but still has these lists grown up, which to me indicate they are called for and hence ought to remain. And - for instance, I really find it to be of encyclopedical value that for instance(again) Taggart "has spread through" Europe, a long time after Mark McManus passed away.(Sweden, Denmark, Ireland, Czech Rep., Bulgaria, Iceland, France etc - and why should Australia be of higher importance here. OK I'm not very fond of tables and decorating flags, so many international parts could be done better. I feel.) Boeing720 (talk) 15:12, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Tabloid terminator[edit]

I am happy to announce that, as I write this, not a single biography of a living person has an online citation to The Sun. We'll see how long it lasts. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:44, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Hey Threesie, didn't you know that the jolly old currant bun also comes in paper format?! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Nice work! --John (talk) 20:49, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
User:Ritchie333, ahem. --John (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
"Suddenly I See, no Page Threesie" (??) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Curious - the search criteria should match on any article in the category "Living people" with the text anywhere, which that one did, yet it never turned up. This search brings up a few more >:-( Is search broken? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:22, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Try this. TwoTwoHello (talk) 12:50, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Oops. Only 144 of the little blighters.... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Bugger. This one was particularly bad :-( Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Oof. What kind of person adds scurrilous twaddle to a BLP and sources it to a scum-rag? --John (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I realise your question was rhetorical, but it seems it was this edit by somebody whose wiki-career lasted about 2 weeks in April 2010 and whose talk page contains nothing but notices of articles that have been deleted. An interesting statistic, I feel. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:35, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the kind of person who's interested in "Simon Thompson, Professor of Logic and Computation and ex head of department at the University of Kent"? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Ilaria D'Amico only has one citation, a Sun article with the headline "Goldenballs in her hands". Some choice quotes from our article: "Holding true to the popular belief that attractive female sport journalists actively seek (and usually obtain) footballers' attention.." and "..rumored by some media to have a torrid love story with Juventus.." --Hillbillyholiday talk 23:32, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Mmmmm, that STUNNING Italian TV presenter who likes to wear revealing outfits ... sending, it is reported, wife POSH into a furious rage!!! GlendaSlagg123 (talk) 23:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
I've trimmed out the inappropriate material from that article. What a disgrace. --John (talk) 11:51, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, but she likes footy, don't she mate?? So she can't be all bad!! lol GlennSlagg123 (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2015 (UTC)


IP user, who only seems to exist to make the same unsourced change to the Sting record sales, has returned now that the page's protection has been removed. Rodericksilly (talk) 03:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Blocked one week. --John (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 November 2015[edit]