User talk:JohnCD/Archive 18

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Deletion of File:IMERA-LOGO-sq2.png

I, JohnCD. You deleted File:IMERA-LOGO-sq2.png based on request of uploader under G7 criteria. I am not sure if G7 applies here. This file is a logo of Imera Power and as such can't have the authorship. This logo is in use by Imera Power article. Earlier today the same user tried to speedy delete this article and all other information about this company in other articles. The speedy deletion was contested and right now the Imera Power's article is nominated for deletion. The existence of the logo in Wikipedia could be justified only in case if the article about this company survives AfD. Therefore, I would like to ask you to restore the file until closing the AfD procedure of this article. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Requester was the author in the sense that he uploaded it originally, but it makes sense to keep it pending the result of the AfD. JohnCD (talk) 17:33, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Why was the page for Bill Parmelee deleted?

Hi, I have been scouring the internet for information on my Grand Father William J. Parmelee, owner of Honda Cycles in CT and former racer. I found the page and was disappointed to find it was deleted. I have not found it in the deletion logs and want to know why it was deleted. Please get back to me. At the very least I want to know what information was on the page. You can email me at as I do not have an account on wikipedia.

Here is the link tot eh page I am referring to:

Thanks, Bill — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:30, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The whole text of that article was "Bill Parmalee was one of the first Honda dealers and Honda motorbike racers, winning second on a 1956/57 Honda motorbike in a race." Because articles about living people are so sensitive, and we need to get them right, we have a rule that an article about a living person, or somebody who from the dates might be living, will be deleted if after ten days no reliable source has been provided to confirm what it says. That is what happened here.
If an article is to be kept in the longer term, it would need to say rather more than that, and to establish notability, which means giving references showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
If you can provide published sources about your grandfather (I'm afraid your personal knowledge won't do) I suggest you leave a message about it for user SSJChuckNorris (talk) who wrote the article and could well be interested in writing a fuller one with references. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

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Userpsace req.

Could you please undel. and userspace Tim Schuldt to User:SMcCandlish/Incubator/Tim Schuldt? Definitely notable, and massaging the deleted stub into something that passes the WP:GNG should be easy. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ   Contrib. 09:48, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. JohnCD (talk) 09:55, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi John,

I was keen to start writing for Wikipedia but now fast losing faith when my work keeps getting deleted. Everything I wrote in the about me section was factual. I agree that the first article I wrote was about self publication but the most recent edition of About Me was not in the slightest bit spam.

What is wrong with writing about awards I have received in the industry I work in?

If I can't even write factual information about myself then what is the point me spending time to write about other people when the same thing could just as easily happen?

I spent a long time working on that content and to see it deleted as spam without an explanation is extremely demoralising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freddieframpton (talkcontribs) 12:51, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've put some of my thoughts on Freddieframpton's Talk page. Jesse V. (talk) 16:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Jessemv. I have added some more there. JohnCD (talk) 16:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Glidersport LightHawk

I agree with the deletion. I was merely using that as a way around the the insertionand re-insertion of a link to a non-existant page by Ahunt.

It appears Wikipedia doesn't want any links (except to their own webpages). Instead, they want one to create a whole topic page inplace of each link. This just doesn't make sense to me.

Suppose I wrote a topic on classic Ragtop cars. Wouldn't it make sense to have a few links to relevant webpages?

Also, copyright infringement may require a link in place of placing the same material on the topic one is creating.

S.Steve.Adkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.Steve.Adkins (talkcontribs) 16:52, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

You can note that Glidersport LightHawk has been recreated now as a proper, referenced article as per WikiProject Aircraft guidelines. I think this is the best solution to this and the related issues, as it is a notable subject. - Ahunt (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
That looks fine, and seems to have solved the problem. Mr. Adkins, we are twitchy about links because we suffer a lot from spammers; so there is a long policy about them at WP:EL, and in particular the section WP:EL#ADV says that "you should avoid linking to a site that you own, maintain, or represent—even if WP guidelines seem to imply that it may otherwise be linked. When in doubt, you may go to the talk page and let another editor decide." That looks an interesting machine. I used to fly gliders, way back in the wood-and-canvas era. JohnCD (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

The addition by Ahunt totally solves my concerns. He produced a very nice topic page. Also, I have since reviewed the Wikipedia policies in this regard and have developed some understanding which resolves my concerns. S.Steve.Adkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.Steve.Adkins (talkcontribs) 21:42, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, everyone's happy! JohnCD (talk) 16:36, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


why did you delete my page ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quresma123 (talkcontribs) 20:00, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Answered on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 20:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

I object

Hi i really object to this encyclopedia page being deleted really. I would really like it to be put back on the web page of Encyclopedia website. I really hope you guys or girls get my message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

It would really help if you said what page you were on about. I guess it is Erika Fong. Wikipedia is quite choosy about subjects for articles - see WP:ACTOR for what an actor or actress needs to have achieved in order to have an article. But Wikipedia isn't the only place to look for information - try a Google search and you will find sites like and JohnCD (talk) 11:09, 8 April 2012 (UTC)


I had considered that, as it's all over everywhere - but rejected the ides as it looked old enough for public domain. Didn't look deeply, as I thought spam safer. Peridon (talk) 12:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Either will do - copyvio is a bit more black-and-white than spam, though nowadays I usually accompany it with a note that the material is unsuitable for other reasons, otherwise hopelessly promotional text comes back in with an OTRS release, and we have to start all over again... it's a wearying life, sometimes! JohnCD (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Chemanol

Hi John,

I am the employee of Chemanol , I have created page for my Organization and we are one of leading petrochemical industry in Saudi Arabia, kindly let me know what information you required from us for this page back to live.

Thanks, Kaleel — Preceding unsigned comment added by MdKaleel (talkcontribs) 12:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 16:27, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Suggestions on Folding@home? GA coming soon!

Hi there JohnCD! I noticed that you have an interest in Folding@home and thought I'd let you know that I've extensively edited the article and I believe that it's very, very close to GA nominations, something that is long overdue IMO. I'm doing a fairly informal request for comment thing, so if you could read it through and drop me a line or something with any improvement suggestions I'd appreciate it. I'm striving to make it encyclopedic, factually accurate, etc. If there's enough consensus that things are fine I will ask Dr. Pande for a final review and then put it up for GA nominations which I hope will transpire smoothly. I estimate that all of these events will occur within the next several weeks. So if you are interested, please let me know what you think and watch for the GA nomination! :D Your fellow folder, Jesse V. (talk) 02:44, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll certainly have a look, though I am by no means expert on GA standards. JohnCD (talk) 09:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
That's perfectly fine. WP:GA? are the criteria, but basically if you were to go to a regular encyclopedia and turn to the article on Folding@home, is this close to what you'd expect to see? Clearly GA standards aren't FA standards, but the article should be encyclopedic nonetheless. Someone else will be the final GA judge. All I'm basically saying is that if there's something that you think needs fixing, please let me know. Jesse V. (talk) 14:50, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Any thoughts on it? Not trying to be pushy, I'm just excited for GA nominations! Jesse V. (talk) 05:26, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hurray, it's now a Good Article! :D Jesse V. (talk) 23:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Well done - sorry I didn't get to comment in time, but you didn't need me. On to FA? JohnCD (talk) 14:25, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

John William Horn

Hello JohnCD, a few years ago someone created an article about me. Over the years I would check on it and maintained it with great pride. I am a published author of the book "MySQL Essential Skills" McGraw-Hill Osborne Publication Date: June 10, 2004 | ISBN-10: 0072255137 | ISBN-13: 978-0072255133. Anyway, I would ask you to please review the deletion of the article. I had seen warnings about references, but didn't understand why they were showing up. The pages referenced were there and the books and articles referenced were on third party sites (such as Eweek, were there. For quite a while there were several articles out there. I have to admit some of the articles about me have gone away due to the passage of time. But, the articles about me were not commercial, nor promotional. They were just informative articles about a person who was a pioneer in helping bring MySQL to a larger audience. I wouuld be willing to help repair any issues it may have had or if I need to consult an expert on this I am willing to do it. If you are unable to repost the article, may I please have the content? I really did like it. :)

Thanks, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usfarm (talkcontribs) 11:38, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. The article was deleted under a process called WP:Proposed deletion, which means that it is automatically restored on request. It may still be nominated for deletion under a more deliberate process, though. I will give more advice on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 14:10, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usfarm (talkcontribs) 00:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


Hey thanks for the info, I will read those articles you sent me. I guess it would be better if I made a research and made a new article to substitute the redirect right? I will see what I can do, but read those articles first, thank you very much for the info Sekkuar (talk) 18:42, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Re:Your deletion request

So, can I request a Afd as "My User talk page only contain welcome, bot's notify and self-requesting CSD notify"? Thank you!--铁铁的火大了 (talk) 09:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

The right place to ask would be WP:Miscellany for deletion, but I do not think there would be agreement, because of the policy WP:DELTALK which says the history of user talk pages should be preserved.. What you can do is, blank the talk page completely: the history would remain, but anyone who looked at the talk page would not see it unless they clicked the "View history" tab. Your user page can be deleted on request - just put {{db-u1}} at the top. If you want to "disappear" more completely from the English Wikipedia, see WP:Courtesy vanishing. JohnCD (talk) 09:46, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you!--铁铁的火大了 (talk) 09:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Boyle Public Affairs page deletion


My page, "Boyle Public Affairs," was deleted. I would like to recreate it without using any promotional material. I wasn't aware those were the rules. This time, I'll write it as a third-party observer without any contact info, etc. I'm not sure how any of this works (I'm new to this!) but please let me know if I can go head and start on it.

Thanks, Kflucas21 (talk) 16:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)K. Lucas

The version I deleted was an advertisement, not an encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not for advertising or promotion of any kind, and is extremely resistant to attempts to use it like that. I see you have made another which has also been deleted: I haven't time to look at that one tonight. Advice on your talk page tomorrow, but in the meantime, for background, read User:JohnCD/Not a noticeboard. JohnCD (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


Can you specify why you had deleted the article "Highway on my Plate"? Other far less worthwhile shows have got their very own wiki entry and besides the show has garnered a notable fan following and deserves its own page. Samdtroubleshooter7 (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

If you click on the "redlink" Highway on my plate it shows you the deletion log: I deleted it because it was a copyright violation, substantially copied from here. The article author Nkadithya31 (talk · contribs) was advised on his talk page, but did nothing about it. Even apart from the copyright problem, it wasn't a good article - no references, only three lines about the show, the rest about Ricky and Mayur.
The one a year earlier was a PROD deletion, which would normally be restored on request, but looking at it, I see it contained the same copyright violation.
You're welcome to write one, in your own words, if you can show notability by references to "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" like reviews. JohnCD (talk) 23:02, 9 April 2012 (UTC)


...for the housekeeping.TheLongTone (talk) 13:22, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

The Heather Vesey thing

Doing some checking, I made a slightly disturbing discovery - this person had been writing their own versions of a bunch of articles in user space (and I seem to remember previous socks doing the same), one of which was still being edited by an IP last week. I've deleted them all now, and have documented them at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LadyLashes/Archive to remind us to look out for the same thing next time. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:03, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted - you looked further than me, I saw those and thought the user was also doing some constructive work, I didn't think to check whether they were copies of existing articles. The whole Vesey/Lashes thing is very odd, I can't think what they hope to gain by building all these hoaxes. JohnCD (talk) 21:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, it's really quite bizarre - and I doubt we've heard the last of it. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Louis Tomlinson (2nd nomination)

Don't forget to lock the redirects. They're already being edit warred over. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 19:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

  • You accidentally redirected Talk:Zayn Malik to the article. Might wanna fix that. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 19:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Fixed. I think it's all tidied up now. JohnCD (talk) 19:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
      • Liam Payne redirects to One direction with a lowercase D, creating a double redirect. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 19:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
        • (sigh) fixed. There is a bot that would have fixed it in a day or so, but may as well get it right. That's an intelligent bot that has put the "old afd multi" template on all the talk pages, though, I was expecting to have to do that for all except the first. JohnCD (talk) 19:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Diono unblock and undeletion request

Diono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is asking for help on his/her talkpage, using {{helpme}}. I thought you'd be best suited to answer the request. Cheers, benzband (talk) 20:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I have given some advice and told the user how to request unblock. JohnCD (talk) 20:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Jack Million Band

Hi John, you did deny the Jack Million Band article in the past. In the meanwhile the orchestra was honored as a member of the Big Band Hall of Fame and has also produced a number of well positive discussed CDs. Would it be possible to enter an article now ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:23, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

The article that I deleted in 2009 had nothing in it, no text at all, only a link to the band's website. Read WP:BAND and, if you think they meet the requirements, by all means make an article about them. See WP:Your first article for general advice. JohnCD (talk) 21:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: Speedy Deletion Declined

Sorry about that, I usually google things before tagging them, but musta slipped my mind. --(ƒî)» 17:30, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

No worries. Be careful about WP:CSD#G1, though - the definition is quite narrow. There is good advice at WP:10CSD. JohnCD (talk) 17:33, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Real Funding Partners

Hi John,

I want to get a compliant article in Wikipedia for Real Funding Partners.

Was it to much selling or just not enough background on the company founders?

Do I just need more content or do I need to hire a writer?


Jason Harmon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajharmon (talkcontribs) 18:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

My page Danny Storm

I was the original creator and Danny Storm is me. I made it about myself and all the sources are verifiable and significant.--DJStormUSA (talk) 15:02, 13 April 2012 (UTC)Daniel Storm Anderson

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 16:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Question about deletion

why you delete page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Because it was an attack page - see User talk:Kushana24 and WP:Biographies of living persons. JohnCD (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion?

Hi JohnCD, what do you mean by let AfD take care of it? There is no citations or references, the page has been created to change the term of crowdfunding. Is that not in itself enough for speedy deletion? Thanks! View references here crowdfunding for investments Allthingsonline (talk) 10:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

No, it isn't enough for speedy deletion. The speedy criteria are, deliberately, quite tightly defined: see WP:CSD#Criteria, and also WP:CSD#Non-criteria. JohnCD (talk) 10:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, what is the process with the Afd? Thanks again Allthingsonline (talk) 10:11, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

See WP:Articles for deletion. The discussion lasts for seven days, normally, and then an uninvolved admin decides what to do. Anyone can express a view, normally "keep" or "delete", sometimes "redirect" or "merge". Those are called "!votes", meaning "not-votes", to indicate that the closing admin does not count heads, but assesses the arguments in terms of WP policies. You can see the sort of thing that goes on by looking at a day's AfD log like this. JohnCD (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


Smoking plague of this age, while this does not show symptoms of the plague on the victim only after years and cause diseases such as cancer and heart disease. Smoke is a deadly poison, contains thousands of chemicals and the number of radioactive materials and carcinogens Apathy and irresponsibility, the challenge and rebellion, family problems, curiosity and love of the experiment, the lack of entertainment pleasure, double the means of education, to escape from reality, to take an example, easy access to the smoke, the psychological conditions (depression, frustration, joy….).

BEST SOLUTION Raise the sense of responsibility when the children by parents. Reduction of family disputes and avoid them in front of the children. Fill the leisure activities of interest to adolescents and their disposal from falling into the trap of boredom. Concerted efforts between the school and the home in order to raise awareness and stimulate demand for the better. Guidance on how to express the psychological state which underlings and how to remove them properly.

POSSIBLE SOLUTION--Karjawy20102 (talk) 18:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC) Directing teenagers to prove that the self is not by smoking. The need to follow the method is characterized by being soft and cautious at the same time. Fill the leisure activities of interest to adolescents and their disposal from falling into the trap of boredom. Mitigate the stars shed light on the practice of this scourge. Direction of the media to the need to limit the ads that promote smoking.

I do not know why you tell me all this, I have not smoked for more than fifty years. I think James VI and I put it better four hundred years ago in A Counterblaste to Tobacco:

"A custome lothsome to the eye, hatefull to the Nose, harmefull to the braine, dangerous to the Lungs, and in the blacke stinking fume thereof, neerest resembling the horrible Stigian smoke of the pit that is bottomelesse."

However, I must remind you that Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a platform for advocacy, promotion or propaganda, and also that it does not publish original research. See the WP:Five pillars and the guide to writing WP:Your first article. JohnCD (talk) 22:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

speedy deletion thanks

Hi John

Thanks for your help with the speedy deletion of TimedText:Monmouthpedia video, it was a subtitle file for a video that ended up in the wrong place.

Thanks again

Mrjohncummings (talk) 22:30, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. It clearly wasn't an article, but it looked as if it might be something useful, so userfying it was the obvious thing to do. If you eventually have no more use for it, you can put {{db-user}} at the top and someone will delete it. JohnCD (talk) 10:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Recreation of Protonism

Greetings! You were the deleting admin for Protonism, pursuant to WP:Articles for deletion/Protonism. This article was recreated an hour after you deleted it by a user who voted at least three times at AfD (!vote 1, striking others' comments; !vote 2; !vote 3 by sock; see also socking confirmation (Benico = Acokaj)). I've tagged for speedy deletion, but I was wondering if you would mind re-deleting. Thanks for any attention you might lend. JFHJr () 22:44, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, it got deleted. Anyway, thanks for your assistance in the first place! Cheers. JFHJr () 23:11, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I had gone to bed. A clear WP:CSD#G4. What a persistent drawer-full of socks. JohnCD (talk) 10:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Charles Brokaw

Hi! Thanks for writing on my talk page! I don't think that this person is the author of the Thomas Lourdes series for several reasons. For one thing, the series is a current one and they're being released even now. The Charles Brokaw in the IMDb link died back in 1975, so I doubt that he's the same guy. Then there's the matter that the name Charles Brokaw is a pseudonym, something that's written on his author profile at Macmillan. It might be that the author chose his pseudonym based off of the actor's name, though. In any case, the actor might warrant an article himself. When I get a moment I'll have to look and see what I can find. It's kind of fun, making new articles. (Although if anything is wrong, I can only blame myself for it. XD )Tokyogirl79 (talk) 12:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm sure from the dates it's not the same person, I just thought you would be interested that there was someone else with the same name who already had five mentions in WP. I encourage you to make an article about this one - if you do, we should consider whether he should have the primary article, with a hatnote pointing to the other one as "Charles Brokaw (author)". JohnCD (talk) 13:41, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Copyright issues


I do take issue with your nomination for speedy deletion of my work and exhaustive research that I have tried to make available concerning any pages that I have authored on my website because I am Bruce McCausland. There is no copyright infringement when the researcher is trying to make that research easily available to the general public in a searchable form such as Wikipedia. Are you suggesting that I bring that website of my creation down??? Please elaborate on your reasoning.

Bruce McCausland Historical Researcher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortbruce (talkcontribs) 17:29, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

I was the one who requested the speedy deletion, if you are the creator you are allowed to donate you work to Wikipedia and request undeletion of the article. Instead of tagging them for speedy deletion, they will be tagged as a copyright violation. Follow the steps for each page which is tagged to donate your works. (eg. Walter Clarke (minister)) Hope this helps. Gsingh (talk) 17:39, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Mr McCausland, please read what I have written on your talk page. Wikipedia cannot accept copied material on the basis that someone on the end of a wire says he is the author. The easiest way for you to make the material available is to display on your website the exact form of release given at WP:Donating copyrighted materials#Granting us permission to copy material already online. You should read the whole of WP:Donating copyrighted materials - other ways of releasing it are also described there. You need to understand that in releasing it you are allowing any reader to copy, modify and re-use it for any purpose including commercial: unless you agree to that, do not release it or post it in Wikipedia.
I am sorry if we seem pernickety about this, but copyright is an extremely serious issue for Wikipedia, and failure to take proper precautions could get us into serious legal trouble. JohnCD (talk) 17:45, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

christy scott cashman

Hi JohnCD,

You deleted my page: Christy Scott Cashman because I copied information from the website I own. I have sent an email to donate the information from Please do not delete the page again until my donation goes through.

I am also going to create two more pages: Saint Aire Productions and Derek Purvis, also using the information from, the website I own. Please do not delete these either until my donation goes through. I will make sure to put {{OTRS pending}} on all three talk pages.

Thanks so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claunzel (talkcontribs) 19:15, 17 April 2012‎

That will protect them from deletion as copyright violations (though they may be temporarily blanked until the permission is verified), but they may still be deleted if they are too promotional or do not meet Wikipedia's requirements such as WP:Notability. Please read again the last two paragraphs I wrote on your talk page, and also read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. More advice on your talk page later today, or probably tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 19:31, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Lot of thanks

Hi JohnCD, lot of thanks to move the article Shair to its correct title,I already requested for that to Drmies. Cheers.Justice007 (talk) 20:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure - I am a (talk page stalker) of Drmies and saw the request there. JohnCD (talk) 20:10, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes I was a bit confused,but now understand.Good and quick work.Justice007 (talk) 20:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I was looking into the problematics of Justice007's request at Drmies tp, and tweaking the infobox and such when you moved the page. I'm not complaining, but there was a redirect in place for the asteroid, so if I had removed the redirect info from Shair, does that mean that the page becomes available for a move? A bit confused about redirect pages (not what they're for), can one just undo them and move articles to that namespace?

I recently got embroiled over this concerning a user who incorrectly named an article, redirected it, then created another article and then turned the basic page into a DAB, see here, sorry I've deleted the other pages from my watchlist concerning the confusion, but my second question is does this need a dab or should Kevin Sharpe link directly to the historian, and the corresponding page be moved to that title? A bit technical, but I am still learning the ever mystifying wiki-lore. CaptainScreebo Parley! 20:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

To move an article to a page where there is a redirect, as with Shair, needs an admin because the redirect is effectively deleted. To cut and paste the article over the redirect would be a bad idea, because the history would be lost. The page about how to arrange disambiguations is at WP:Disambiguation. I'm sorry, but I haven't time tonight to look at your example. JohnCD (talk) 20:37, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry, that's all I needed to know. So I guess one needs to go to Wikipedia:Requested moves or Wikipedia:AN, which is better? Cheers. CaptainScreebo Parley! 11:43, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Try WP:RM, or I might get to look at it later today. JohnCD (talk) 11:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Copyright, yet again


In the page you have referenced for deletion, I am the original author at (aka: fortbruce) Each of these pages: - George Arthur Buttrick Were all this was researched by me and posted first on my website before it was added to wikipedia with my implied permission by the very fact that I created both the website under my own name that can be easily googled. Also, I suggest you read my "talk" page on Wikipedia where I have already hashed this out over before.


Bruce McCausland

Fortbruce (talk) 14:26, 18 April 2012 (UTC) Fortbruce

I really do not know how to explain this more clearly than I already have, both on your talk page and above at User talk:JohnCD#Copyright issues. Have you actually read that? I will try once more:
  • No matter how many times you assert that you are the author, that is not enough, because we have no way to be sure that someone on the end of a wire is who he says.
  • "Implied permission" is not good enough - to meet our legal obligations we require explicit permission from a source that can be identified with the copyright owner.
  • There are easy ways for you to give a valid copyright release, which are described at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. The simplest way is to post on your website the form of words given at WP:DCM#Granting us permission to copy material already online.
JohnCD (talk) 15:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

taking about Entob web

Hi this is Sang goo Choi from South Korea.

Last week, I changed some information about Entob because it was my homework that i got my university.

the homework is some information is uploading or changed right information in Wikipedia.

i have thought uploading information is very hard for me so i searched and found Entob.

every information was right but something has been changed. so i uploaded new information. however, you deleted. i guess you though the information is advertising the company. but i didn't aim that.

don't you mind if you change your mind?

once again, this is Sang goo Choi from South Korea. i will wait your reply

have a nice day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:07, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry to be slow replying - this is actually quite a difficult one. I will try to reply within two days. Are you user Bestlie (talk)? JohnCD (talk) 22:11, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
I have replied at User talk:Bestlie. JohnCD (talk) 22:25, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


John, thank you for your time. I apologize having invoked the Wikipedia powers that be. It's good to see that there are moderators that are quick to respond to obvious violations. This actually instills a higher level of confidence in the integrity of the information contained within these pages. Butler1970 (talk) 21:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your cooperation

Hello JohnCD. firstly, thank you for your comment. i'm really understand why the page was deleted. however some comment was wrong so i just want to correct that.

firstly, a whole class was set to write articles about POSCO subsidiaries. the homework is uploading some information in wikipedia; writing new information or correct right information. maybe some students choose same company as like me. but it is wrong every student needs to write or change information about POSCO.

perhaps, i mentioned before i thought i couldn't upload new information in wikipedia. so i found this company. in my country, the company is very famous. and i don't have any idea about entob. i just found the company name in POSCO wikipedia page.

when i looked POSCO wikipedia page, many page link were not correct. so i searched every company name. at that time i found entob comapny.

i didn't have enough time to write the company information. as you can see the history of entob. the first writer is not me. maybe the employee who work in entob has uploaded the information.

i just corrected new information. actually, it is none of my business the company page is deleted or not but i have 2 conerns

1st is my mark. i just worry about i would get low mark if the page were deleted.

2nd is the company the employee working in entob spent a lot of time to uploading the page. for me, the effort went out. im really sorry for the company and the employee. therefore, i want to restore the page.

anyway, the report will be shown by tmr. i don't have enough time to correct the page and get your reply. whatever the project will be finished, i will check your reply.

once again, thank you for your helping and comment.

have a nice day~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bestlie (talkcontribs) 07:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

deletion of user created article

Hi John, As i was researching on the Indian firm "financial services" ( R K Global ) through Google, it kept taking me on the blocked page by the name of User:Rkglobal . As i searched from inside the wikipedia website i was taken correctly to the required site "" . I just wanted to let you know it is quite frustrating doing the steps again and again. It would be nice of you to help in the case and delete the "User:Rkglobal" page Thanks

Tuks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tukicool12345 (talkcontribs) 11:54, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The user page has been deleted but, as Google had already indexed it, it will take a little time before it no longer appears on Google searches. There is nothing we can do about that. JohnCD (talk) 12:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


I am really surprised with questioning whetnet Hapkikwan is to be deleted. And all this due to two artificial problems - one in respect to copy right and another one in respect to a question that there are not independent sources (?). Let me explain this: 1.In respect to a quaestion of copyrights, all data that appears at Hapkikwan International website is free for public use. I know this for sure. It is just general information, there are no special products of mind. Also, I know this because I am green belt Hapkikwan. 2.As about secondary (independent) sources I firstly wonder what in the text could be a subject of any dispute? Does anyone belive that Prof. Krivokapic is not founder of Hapkikwan? Or that Hapkikwan was not founded in 1994? Etc. Anyway, many independent sources (not only from Serbia, but also from Croatia, Korea, Pakista) are given at the Hapkikwan International website, in particular in subsection Press. This includes scanned pages from books, magazines and newspapers. Yet I believe it is sufficient to mention that Hapkikwan is officially recognized as a new Martial Art by the World Martial Arts Union - the only Martial Arts Association recognized by the UN and UNESCO in particular. Please just visit World Martial Arts Union website ( Thank you on your time, Stevan Mitic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevanmitic (talkcontribs) 13:40, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It's all very well to say that you "know for sure" that "all data that appears at Hapkikwan International website is free for public use", but that site bears the notice "Copyright © 2010 hapkikwan. All Rights Reserved." That is not the most important point: the article gave no references to show notability, and the consensus of those who gave their opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hapkikwan, who looked for sources, is that the organization does not meet Wikipedia's standard, which is explained at WP:MANOTE. If you believe you can show that it does, you may appeal at WP:Deletion review. You could perhaps get advice by posting on the talk page of WP:WikiProject Martial arts. JohnCD (talk) 22:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Evgenia Gvozdetskaya

Dear John,

you have deleted the page on my wife I have made on 16th, because of a copyright supposed issue, since I used part of her Cv, on her web site , in order to put content on her wikipedia page.. please undelete it, since thete is no copyright issue between the same personn.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

  • We cannot use copied material without a formal copyright release,
  • That is usually not worth doing, because material written for other purposes is often too promotional for an encyclopedia article, which requires a neutral point of view
  • As her husband, you have a WP:Conflict of interest and should not be writing about her - Wikipedia is not for people to promote themselves or their families.
JohnCD (talk) 22:15, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Aaeon article

Hi JohnCD,

First of all, I would like to thank you for your advice on writing in Wikipedia. I appreciate all the help I can get since I am a first time user. I am actually not related to the company although I do know an employee working in it. I am still a student at a university and this is one of my class projects.

In regards to notability, I do think that Aaeon is a strong contender in their industry. It was noted in Business Week and a white paper was written by Seagate on their collaboration. They were also featured in the quarterly Intel® Embedded Innovator Magazine in addition to numerous articles/press releases mentions. I understand it is no Coca Cola but I am hoping that this should be sufficient.

My mistake on the Product section. I will rewrite it. Can you please move the original to my page so i can make edits versus rewriting the entire page?

Thanks! JoYeung109 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyeung109 (talkcontribs) 16:26, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

My first thought was that you would do better to start with a clean sheet, but I have restored it to User:Joyeung109/Aaeon. However I have removed the product details section, which are a copyright violation from the company's website, and also the milestones, ditto. I know they have been slightly reworded and presented in reverse order, but WP:Close paraphrasing does not avoid copyright problems. In any case, both those sections seemed to me to have too much detail for an encyclopedia article, which has different aims and audience from a company website. As the website is linked, anyone who wants all the detail can easily find it. For the article, just add the really important bits in your own (unpromotional) words. JohnCD (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again! I will mention it to my instructor although I highly doubt he would. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyeung109 (talkcontribs) 00:24, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Hamza Rasheed

I've just found User:Katrina rasheed re-creating the article on the (unprotected) talk page. I've blocked this one for vandalism and also as a sock of User:Mr Hamza, and protected the talk page to match the article. I've commented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mr Hamza that we've blocked some of them. Peridon (talk) 13:39, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Good. I've done the same for Talk:Hamza rasheed (small r) just in case. He's persistent - I'd better add this one to Heather Vesey and Avinash Patra in my list of things to scan for evrey now and then. I only blocked Mr Hamza for a week - any more of this and I'll extend that and open an SPI. JohnCD (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
There IS an SPI - see my post... Peridon (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Facepalm3.svg Facepalm. So there is. Three socks and ten autobios shows a serious case of IDHT: I have indeffed Mr H and tagged them all. JohnCD (talk) 16:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

little face syndrome

Thank you so much. email is now enabled! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydne426 (talkcontribs) 23:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I've sent the text in case you haven't had a chance. Acroterion (talk) 01:53, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:56, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Acroterion! JohnCD (talk) 21:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Lord Alexic Lukas Juan Nachios Carlos

I believe this page was deleted incorrectly as the explanation left was that the person has no significance.

This person is current Duke of Abrantes and is also in direct line to become king of Spain.

Is being Royal and having an astrocratic totle not significant enough to have a page on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:58, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

It might be, if it were confirmed; but Wikipedia has a policy of WP:Verifiability: "any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source." Large claims like being "granted" a dukedom, and surprising claims like being "in direct line to become king of Spain", will not be accepted without very good and reliable sources. Your article did not provide any: ¡Hola! magazine on its own would certainly not be enough. JohnCD (talk) 22:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Need Help

A page called Uttar Pradesh, this page is too long with instances of poor edits, shall it be semi-protected? If yes, someone please initiate as I have already recommended for semi-protection but i think i am ignored. Thank youRpaigu (talk) 11:17, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

This does not seem to me bad enough to need protection at the moment: if it gets worse, the place to apply is WP:RFPP. JohnCD (talk) 22:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Pink Heart Movement Deletion

Hi JohnCD I think you deleted a Page About Pink Heart Movement today. I understand why you deleted it. It was a promotional rant about a new website and not objective. Pink Heart Movement is a non profit organisation. True our main goal is to create a new web platform, and web community.. Our entire motivation is to provide a force for good for the world. In the space of a week John we have raised $150,000, rallied over 30 people within our "base camp," Deloitte of Australia have volunteered their services to financially structure us and so has Monolithic Corporation who are a Perth based law firm.. Your negative take on us is hurting our growing reputation as a provider to humanity.. We've literally just earned over 25,000 likes on facebook.. I apologise on behalf of the entire team if we have unknowingly broken a code that has motivated you to segregate us.. Please support us. We are NON FOR PROFIT, we are now 10 days from launching a social media platform that will change how we contribute to the world on every philanthropy front.. I plead with you John.. but you know what it isn't about me.. I'm just one man in a team of many now who are committed to good and you're affecting us all. Either way we will prevail. With Wikipedia on board would just make our mission that touch easier.. What we're doing has been a massive challenge- road block after road block, but we're still going, in fact we are stronger by the day.

I wont keep you John, you're a busy man we get that.. We just ask for an inch.

All the best,

Sam and the Pink Heart Team — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam switch (talkcontribs) 11:37, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough, I get it completely. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam switch (talkcontribs) 12:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
OK. I'm sorry to be uncooperative, but we can only be a useful encyclopedia by resisting all pressures to do other things. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 22:11, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Attack pages

What are you talking about? An excellent chap (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm talking about the last line of your three "articles". JohnCD (talk) 17:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Deleted articles

I've got a Google Alert on my own name. Earlier today, it hit upon a Wikipedia article about me, but when I looked, it was already deleted. Further inspection shows there were actually two articles about me (logs here). I didn't author either article, nor am I arguing that I'm noteworthy enough to have a Wikipedia page. I'm just curious what was on those pages. My understanding is that admins are able to undelete to a "user subpage". Would you be kind enough to do that for me, so my curiosity could be satisfied? Thank you.

SnprBoB86 (talk) 20:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, JohnCD!

Greek Niki Lauda article

Thank you for your help! Since this is my first attempt to make a contribution to Wikipedia, I tried to make as few as mistakes as possible.... Hope to make it better with the rest of the article!

essaouira311 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essaouira311 (talkcontribs) 10:56, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! If you want to add more information to the Greek article, there is plenty at Niki Lauda. Remember that if you translate directly or take much information from there, you need to give attribution - see WP:Copying within Wikipedia. JohnCD (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

ie Pre-Adam Man, and Before

Hi JohnCD,

Thank you so much for your input of all kinds. I will certainly try to digest it.Johnflossen (talk) 01:07, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to recreate Template:Cr-IPL/Flags?

The template {{Cr-IPL/Flags}} has been deleted aa result of a deletion discussion this TFD discussion. There is a discussion going on at Talk:2012 Indian Premier League for a proposal to add the flags and this template may have to be recreated or restored. If it is appropriate, please let me know so that I can recreate it, or just undelete it (It is not an attack page nor a copyright violation) if not I may start a deletion review on the template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfd34 (talkcontribs) 13:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Start by explaining to JPG-GR (talk), the admin who closed that TfD, why you need it. If he agrees that the reasons for deletion no longer apply, you can go ahead; otherwise, go to WP:DRV. JohnCD (talk) 13:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


Wrong It is from the Defense ministry website why cannot I use it.The title itself is LTTE's money talks again [1] .Why can I not use ?රණකාමි333 (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

I have reported you here රණකාමි333 (talk) 14:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I have replied at JohnCD (talk) 14:26, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Please let me know if it is okay to use Defense ministry website it or will you remove my edits.reply hereරණකාමි333 (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I have replied there. JohnCD (talk) 21:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Jeremy Clarkson

Arh, 31 hours has now expired, I see. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:18, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

(sigh). Let's try 72, and some more explanation. Thanks. JohnCD (talk) 17:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Do they even know where the article talk page is? But an odd mix of edits - mostly innocuous Children's tv. I think maybe a junior editor, so maybe we need to be careful? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I think you're right, but WP:COMPETENCE is required. We'll see what happens in three days. It seems to be a static IP. If they are determined to go on censoring, they will not last long, but if they show signs of being willing to learn, I will suggest setting up an account. JohnCD (talk) 20:21, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Definitely - encouragement of an account is a best first step. More should be made of the "benefits" (even though I am sometimes still unconvinced myself!) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh, dear, straight back to the same thing. No replies, no explanation, just back to the edit war. This is a waste of time - I have gone straight to a month's block. JohnCD (talk) 17:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I think fully justifed. It's just so frustrating for both sides. If I had noticed earlier I migbt have tried harder to engage on their talk page. At least we seem to have a static ip, for now anyway. I wonder who Justin was! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Choco chip cookie.png hey. thanks for deleting my page. Nfika98 (talk) 12:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. That is pleasantly different from the usual reaction! JohnCD (talk) 21:26, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transformers 4

There is no doubt that this article is premature, and your declining the speedy was proper, but as the topic of a planned Transformers 4 film IS being spoken about in reliable souces,[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] might you not agree that a merge and redirect per policy instruction for such premature articles to either Transformers (film series)#Future OR Transformers: Dark of the Moon#Sequel per policy instruction for such premature film articles might be worth consideration? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:25, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, I have switched my !vote to redirect as the best way to prevent creation of rumour-based articles. JohnCD (talk) 08:54, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. As this one approaches principle filming, it may well qualify as one of those possiblle exceptions to NFF.... but not yet. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 17:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Article Incubator/Crocodillin

In January 2011, you moved this article into the incubator. It took me a while to get back to it, but I was able to expand the article somewhat and have added suitable citations. As the topic has been the subject of multiple reliable aources, I'd like you to consider assessing it for a return to mainspace, where it might benefit the community and be further expanded and sourced. Thanks, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:44, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I'd forgotten all about Crocodillin. Read the discussion at User talk:JohnCD/Archive 12#Crocodillin which led to my incubating it. I emailed Dr Britton with links to the discussion and to WP:V and WP:NOR and suggested he start an account; he replied that he was busy and that "I tend to agree with your comments in the discussion, but there's one thing I'd like to double-check first", but I never heard from him again.
The concerns were (a) that the term was not in general enough use to pass WP:NEO and serve as an article title, and (b) that we didn't want to assist quack doctors who were using it to plug a miracle cure.
I think (b) is still a concern. I have removed your last paragraph with the reference to "healing power against all known deadly viruses and bacteria", AIDS, cancer etc - those are WP:REDFLAG claims, and this book does not look at all like a RS for medical claims - AuthorHouse is a self-publisher, I wouldn't trust anything that claims "an end to all disease" and refers to the Da Vinci Code, and the reference in the book to Crocodillin gives a link to which will sell you the pills - no longer referring to Crocodillin directly, but see the link on the left.
I'm not entirely convinced about (a) either. It's a pity that all the actual references are to journalism, from about the time of the BBC program. It would be better if we could cite what the scientific papers say (Dr Britton's note on my talk page archive gives two more) for some evidence that the term is being used in scientific circles. Google Scholar shows very little (the first ref is that book again - I wonder how it got in there?). There has been a program recently where Wikipedians could apply for free access to some scientific journal database - perhaps someone who has that could help, but I don't remember what it was called.
I will ask Kmhkmh (talk · contribs) for his view, who commented back when it was incubated. Maybe I should also email Dr Britton again? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not happy about the illustration either - from the source site, although the word "Crocodillin" appears at top right, it seems these are just freeze-dried crocodile blood, which sounds like more quackery to me. They don't actually dare call it more than "a popular food supplement." JohnCD (talk) 20:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

User:Abenezer inder

Is it wrong for me to insist that this user page have a user page tag? This user had twice created an autobiographical article [16] which has twice been deleted. When that failed the user edited their user page to resemble the original article. This user's edits tell me that they are only interested in using WP for self promotion. Should I just leave this alone? Thanks. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 12:33, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

It's not really bad enough for speedy deletion as WP:CSD#G11. You could take it to WP:MFD, but I suggest you first (a) put a {{user page}} template on it, (b) explain politely that you have done that, that unlike Myspace and LinkedIN, Wikipedia is not for writing about oneself (link to WP:AUTO) and that user pages are not meant for that sort of thing. A form of words I often use is "User pages are intended for the volunteers, who are here to help build the encyclopedia, to say something about themselves, if they choose, to assist communication within the project. They are not for substantial content... that is unrelated to Wikipedia." JohnCD (talk) 20:52, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to look into this. I've been in an extremely slow edit war with the user as I attempted to keep a user page tag on the page. I have not yet implemented your suggestion (b) but will do so soon. Thanks again. --| Uncle Milty | talk | 11:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

April 2011

Please stop referring to Fowler's A Dictionary of Modern English Usage on Wikipedia as you did with this edit. It is considered vandalism, which, under Wikipedia policy, can lead to a loss of editing privileges. If you would like to experiment with Fowler again, please use the designated prescriptive sandbox. Drmies (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

"Even reproofs from authority ought to be grave, and not taunting." Bacon, Essays (as I see you belong to the Bacon cabal). JohnCD (talk) 17:18, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Rathnam

Dear sir,

I don't know , why you are deleting Mr.Thomas Rathnam wiki.

He is an upcoming music Director from India.

He had already done many music albums in English, Tamil, Hindi ...etc

He already scored music for Tamil and Kannada films , which had released two years before.

Please , explain me. sir

Lovingly Thomas Rathnam Fans — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasrathnamfans (talkcontribs) 15:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:57, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

RE: Getting rid of user sub-pages

Thanks; John ThomasRules 17:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for sorting out this article's placement. Candleabracadabra (talk) 22:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Copyvio problem

You helped me in the past, and I hope you can give me a little guidance here. User:Fernanf keeps adding the same copyrighted content (it is promotional, too) to Southville Foreign University (see the page history). I reported it to the copyright violations noticeboard, but the user keep re-adding the content. I warned the user, but to no avail. You're an administrator (and you're experienced), can you help me? David1217 (talk) 00:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I have blocked for 3 days and given some advice. The edit-warring noticeboard WP:ANEW would be a place to report something like this; or, though adding promotional/copyright material isn't really vandalism, once he had ignored enough warnings a report to WP:AIV would get the fastest response. One thing that might have helped, though probably not, would have been to put {{welcome}} on his talk page with the first warning - the links to WP:5P and WP:YFA would have been a way to help him understand WP better, It's easy to forget that a newbie may not understand that WP is not just another Myspace. That's a horrible article; I cut a bit more copyvio, but it needs a complete rewrite. JohnCD (talk) 10:08, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


Thank you very much for your action here. I'm hoping it will help to get some discussion going or some references found. With best wishes, DBaK (talk) 09:40, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I hope so. If problems continue, ask again at WP:RFPP. JohnCD (talk) 10:09, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Okey doke and thanks again DBaK (talk) 15:36, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Asoka Handagama

I'm a bit disappointed that you tagged the page on Asoka Handagama for deletion due to being UBLP. While some references about particular topics are a bit hard to find (e.g. exactly who considers him to be the leader of the third generation of Sri Lankan cinema, it's extremely easy to find references that show him to be a socially and artistically important filmmaker, with a worldwide reputation. Once you found that the page wasn't referenced, couldn't you have just added a reference or two rather than simply scheduling the page for deletion? Ross-c (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I could have, but instead, after declining an A7 speedy, I spent some time writing advice to the newbie author and pointing them to WP:YFA and WP:WikiProject Film, so as to encourage them to do it themself and learn how to make more useful contributions. "Teach a man to fish... " Even if it dropped off my overcrowded watchlist, the page is unlikely to have been deleted - people scan the BLP-prod list for things to rescue, and an admin considering deletion after ten days would also have had a look for sources. JohnCD (talk) 13:46, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


I was creating a page, and then I saw your msg that you have deleted it. Please tell me the reason how is it a copyright issue since this was a task given to us by our professor in University at Buffalo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aditiyad (talkcontribs) 20:30, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I have replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 20:33, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Dhoom 3

Hi John,

The article Dhoom 3 about the film was moved to article incubator by you. The concern was it doesn't meet WP:NFF. Yet the article doesn't meet WP:NFF as its principal photography is not started. But I think Dhoom 3 is sufficiently notable. WP:NFF says "Films that have not been confirmed by reliable sources to have commenced principal photography should not have their own articles as budget issues, scripting issues and casting issues can interfere with a project well ahead of its intended filming date." Then what if some film dropped even after the photography is started? It happens is several cases. So i think we can use WP:IAR and WP:UCS in this case (i'm not much familiar with the rules, correct me if i'm wrong). Just check out google trends reports of "dhoom 3" here. Its news reference volume and search volume clearly shows its notablity. A lots of independant, reliable sources confirms it'll go on floor this month. Also the direct confirmation from producer,director and lead actors can be found. If you wish I'll provide sources. So considering these things I kindly request you to move Dhoom 3 back to article namespace. Thanks..

rahul (talk2me) 05:17, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

You are right that WP:NFF is not an absolute bar if there are enough reliable sources about a future film. I will ask MichaelQSchmidt (talk), an admin who is more familiar than I am with movie articles and at AfD discussions is often sympathetic in situations like this, to look at this and move it to the mainspace if he thinks fit. JohnCD (talk) 10:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks John...rahul (talk2me) 15:50, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


John, Wikipedia:Crime wont help me with anything. I already knew some good information and know how to make an article. Im adding more Crime Figures on Wikipedia, Expanding the crime knowledge. Sadly I only know how to reference a website. Do you even look at it or read it? I put '<--' next to the references to show that the person Im making is real and the information is backed up by a real website. I have copied things when I have started out wikipedia, Dominik Alaimo wasnt copyright. I added more information about the guy than the piece of information that was on the website.

Im doing everything is good apart from my references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don Cuneo (talkcontribs) 16:28, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

No, you are not doing everything good. Alaimo wasn't copyvio, but he wasn't notable; Gabriel Mannarino was a straight copy from More than 40 of your articles have been deleted in a month - that should tell you something. Your contributions are welcome, but only if you take the trouble to learn Wikipedia's rules and standards and listen to the advice many people are giving you.
I have blocked this account - you should only use one at a time, and you cannot use this one to evade the block on King Genovese (talk). JohnCD (talk) 12:29, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Genovese crime family

Genovese crime family (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I hate to get involved at ANI, but you may be interested in this thread on my talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

SummitSportsGroup has not been advertising or spamming

SummitSportsGroup (talk · contribs) had been blocked by Alexf (talk · contribs) with the reason {{uw-spamublock}} but I can see from the user's contributions that there is no indication of spamming or advertising, even though the username is in violation of the username policy and that user has even been blocked from creating a new account. In fact Mike James (NCAA basketball player), an article that the user submitted to articles for creation, had been created. Also the user's edit count shows the number of deleted edits as 0 so there is no deleted advertisement. "Account creation blocked" should be removed from the account's block so that the user can create a new account with a username that conforms to the username policy and continue to submit more articles for creation. jfd34 (talk) 10:31, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Their website says they are "a full-service Seattle-based athlete management firm dedicated to providing our clients with the best representation available" and Mike James is one of their clients, so they have a severe COI and I think it not unreasonable to ask them to make an unblock request to change username, so we can make sure before unblocking that they understand the rules about COI and promotion before posting articles about their clients; but you should take this up with Alexf (talk) who actually blocked them. JohnCD (talk) 11:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
I see the point. Block has been modified to softerblock. They can create another account or request a change of name. They are still in violation of GROUPNAME and have a serious conflict of interest in their edits. -- Alexf(talk) 11:41, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
In view of the COI, I don't think a spamublock was at all unreasonable, but on the credit side they did use AfC and their entry was not spammy. I have put some advice on their user page. JohnCD (talk) 12:59, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Deleted Old Black Bear Brewing Company

Wanted to get some clarification on why we couldn't start a wiki page about our brewing company. Something was said about not having substantial material in the article...Got to give us time to fill it out. Also was said that it was promotional...we actually started our article by copying Sweetwater Brewing Company's wiki page and changing the content to us. Doesn't seem consistent. — Preceding jtseaton comment added by (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I will reply in more detail on your talk page tomorrow; for now, read User:JohnCD/Not a noticeboard, Wikipedia is not about YOU and WP:Other stuff exists. JohnCD (talk) 20:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gerry Gogna

Hi John--Salvio pulled the trigger on that article. For more context, see User_talk:Drmies#Question_on_a_user_page. In there is a link to an SPI as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what it is with Indian self-published authors. At least this one's books had ISBN numbers. There was Avinash Patra (27 socks and counting) whose works are only on-line, and any passage you check turns out to have been copied from somewhere. His book about Lord Curzon, "One of the most widely read Historical Literature of all time in the Present World", says it is published by "Oxford University Press An imprint of British Board cast service UK" and at the end says "This book has been written as a guide for those who are compelled to purchase a horse in the absence of skilled assistance..." and is datelined "EDINBURGH, OXFORDSHIRE.. UK." JohnCD (talk) 09:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For helping me with User:Fernanf‎ and the Southville Foreign University‎ article. David1217 (talk) 15:38, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you! I fear we have not heard the last of him. I am being to doubt whether he actually understands English - he does not seem to have read any of our advice, and is still saying he "really needs to update" the page. JohnCD (talk) 09:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Audionic

Dear Sir,

I totally understand what i did was wrong .. and i just wanted to know what my wordings were which initiates it as spam. i will remake the article and name it as audionic and will try to confirm and let u know first before submitting it. thanks a lot for your concern and help.

Regards Zain Ahmed — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zainahmed123 (talkcontribs) 07:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

What made it spam was puffery, promotional words like "eminent company... premium brand products... Audionic products are the best... different, innovative, creative... " That's not an encyclopedia article, that's an advertisement. I will give more advice on your talk page later today - don't do anything till you read it. JohnCD (talk) 09:17, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Heuwelsig (disambiguation)

Hi John,

In retrospect, I am happy u deleted this page; I could not find enough substance for the other "Heuwelsigs". Seems like they are sub-suburbs in Centurion, R.S.A.

Aliwal2012 (talk) 08:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Good, thanks for letting me know. JohnCD (talk) 09:17, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

David Abel Ray Phiri

Thanks for the I need some help with pictures and how I demonstrate that I actually own them eg 1979_DARP_and_Queen_.jpg

any help would be appreciated


Simcity (PC game)

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why did you delete that?

the flying killer robot monkey squirrel is real and now you have removed it from the face of the earth. i hope you're happy that children wont learn about it and it's all your fault — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jojomaster (talkcontribs) 19:58, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

See Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. JohnCD (talk) 20:02, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Lies Agreed Upon

One Major Single Source & POV

Reference to the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 120(, I have added the Tags "Single Source" and "POV" on Lies Agreed Upon.

Since you are involved on the above discussion, please discuss further on regarding the Tags added and the reliability of the content on Wikipedia based on the single major source.Sudar123 (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I will look at this, but it will be a day or two before I have time. JohnCD (talk) 20:50, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Toothpaste game

Hey, the editor who was repeatedly creating the toothpaste game article also included copyvio stolen from Yahoo answers. He attempted to modify the article Cresting. Can you delete the revision due to the copyvio that is included within it or does it not matter? Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:25, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

No, it's buried in the history, it doesn't need rev-deleting. I dont think this was actually a hoax in the sense of completely made-up, though it was exaggerated - see what I have said on his talk page. It's just possible that there might be an article here, though probably not soon if this is a new craze this month. JohnCD (talk) 21:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

New Pages update

Hey JohnCD/Archive 18 :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).

On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Perry Street Football Club

Can you please reinstate the page you deleted (perry street football club) I feel it has been unfairly deleted and will demonstrate the importance of the subject (football club with over 100 years of history) as the article develops. Ta Supermanscape (talk) 19:26, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I have "userfied" the page for you - moved it into a user sub-page at User:Supermanscape/Perry Street Football Club where you can workj on it. If it is to be kept, you need to establish WP:Notability by giving references that show "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." JohnCD (talk) 22:09, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

mistaken delete of page

While deleting a valid set of delete requests you have accidentally deleted a valid in-use page. Could you please reinstate Template:Image requested/doc. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:12, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Sorry about that - I meant to delete one that redirected to that, and didn't notice that I had been redirected. Careless. Thanks for pointing it out! JohnCD (talk) 20:36, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

complaint of vandalism at Azolla

Saw your message when I looked up Ken Burns' "The War" today. Took me by surprise. Be advised that since at least December 2011, edits from this IP address have been "indefinitely blocked" (last time I saw the block notice was near the end of March this year). I have been the only user of this IP address since December, and since I have been unable to do any editing such as grammar and syntax and spelling, or any minor additions to any articles, because of the block, and because of it gave up any thought of contributing anything, I did nothing at Azolla. (I haven't even looked at the article, not even out of curiosity, since the word/topic means nothing to me, and I have no idea what it means). I'm sorry about your problem, but it didn't come from here. (talk) 21:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

My message was dated October 2008, and this IP's contribution list shows that a vandal entry on Azolla did come from there, but that was no doubt before your time. Also, this IP is not blocked now (it it was, you would not have been able to edit my talk page), and the block log shows it has never been blocked. You must have been using a different IP when you found yourself unable to edit. In fact, if you have only just seen my 2008 message, you must have been using a different IP until very recently. JohnCD (talk) 21:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

We need to change our page

Hi John, I work for OSISA (Open Society Initiative for Southern Africa) and the current page is outdated and simple has no facts, I have been trying to updated and you have been deleting them straight away, please advice — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luke-OSISA (talkcontribs) 10:59, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

To start with, please read all the advice on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 11:09, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

GOCE Hall of Fame

Hi, you just deleted that redirect. Did you check the talk page, where the speedy was challenged? The tagger did not inform me (the creator). GOCE is a widely used abbreviation of Guild of Copy Editors. Please would you revert your deletion. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 13:42, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I checked the talk page, and sent you a message that crossed this. JohnCD (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for it. But the tag was R3, not applicable here. R2 might have been, but R2 excludes CNRs from main to Wikipedia (and other) namespaces. Moreover, the deletion is controversial in any case: see the first bullet of WP:CNR#Arguments for keeping CNRs. Surely not an uncontentious speedy, and what actual harm was it doing? It fits that first bullet perfectly, since nobody is going to search for an article of that title. (No need to reply on my talk page: I watch those I post to). --Stfg (talk) 14:02, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
No, it's not an R2; I reckoned R3 fitted, because it was (in its present form) recently created, and I think it fits WP:CNR#Arguments for deleting CNRs #1: we don't want visitors getting mixed up with the pipework. (WP:CNR admits that its arguments contradict each other.) However, you could argue that yesterday was only a change, so it wasn't recent, so R3 didn't apply; and if you like I will disinter it and send it to RfD. JohnCD (talk) 14:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I'd appreciate if you'd do that. I understand (already did) the principle you mentioned about CNRs, but it's controversial and was never a proper R3, and I'd like the chance to defend it to the community. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 May 7#GOCE Hall of Fame. JohnCD (talk) 15:24, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

() Thank you. And please forgive me. I created it to avoid redlinks, and now that it's back and I can do a "What links here" on it, I see that those redlinks have been dealt with already. I have removed one last one that existed on my own talk page from two weeks ago. Please accept that I haven't done any of this to waste your time or to be pointy. The tagger didn't inform me, I didn't have time to look at "What links here" before it had gone, and I thought that deleting it would create redlinks. I don't think it should have been speedied, really, but that's another story. I won't contest the deletion now, and if you want me to do anything like blanking it or putting a "no contest" reply on the RfD to facilitate closure, I gladly will. What's the protocol now? Regards, --Stfg (talk) 16:16, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

No worries! The simplest way would be for you to put {{db-author}} at the top of the redirect, then someone will delete it and close the RfD. One learns something every day - I had forgotten, till I checked for this one, that mainspace-to-Wikipedia-space was an exception to R2. JohnCD (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I've done that. --Stfg (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Pricing Partners

Hi, the page Pricing Partners has been deleted but I was contesting this and I adapted the text to the recommandation with no links to press release but only to general information magazine. The reviewer told me this was fine but this has been deleted. Can you let me know why and if I want to recreate this page what should I do? Thanks --Eric.benhamou.pricingpartners (talk) 17:23, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, JohnCD. You have new messages at Neutralhomer's talk page.
Message added 20:49, 7 May 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

NeutralhomerTalk • 20:49, 7 May 2012 (UTC) 20:49, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

To begin with Lady Michelle Obama

I agree with you that this "article" doesn't meet G1, but I wanted to point you to this brief user talk page discussion about it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I have commented there. JohnCD (talk) 09:33, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

umm my page

ehh Hi you deleted my page Mobile Forces Source without any notification or something no warning

the reasons why the page has been marked for deletion are solved and i was not sure to keep the tag or delete it

p.s im quite sure tha page has a bad history but i think its fine now so i hope that you can undelete my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filippro (talkcontribs) 13:21, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

You had plenty of warning - don't you read messages on your talk page? In particular, you were notified here on 28 April that there would be a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mobile Forces Source, and invited to contribute. That discussion ran for a week and decided to delete. Subjects for Wikipedia articles need references showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" to establish notability and as your game is still in development there will not yet be any independent comment like reviews. You may appeal to WP:Deletion review if you like, but you would do best to wait until after your game is released and gathers independent comment, and preferably wait until someone with no conflict of interest is interested enough to write about it. JohnCD (talk) 20:39, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

The Franklin Girls

Hi JohnCD, As no doubt it must be obvious to you by now. My daughters and I are new to the Wiki community. They are sisters and their name is The Franklin Girls. I read your reasons for blocking the girls' wikipedia page. Could you help me understand the distinction between their username and page and a page like (Camryn) Magness or (Lennon ) Murphy? There are thousands of performers with wiki pages so could you please guide us on how to get the girls their own page without stepping on the rules? Please? Thanks (talk) 19:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC) My email is

I'm sorry that we do not do a good job of explaining what Wikipedia is not for, but it is absolutely not for what you want to do. Your girls want to tell the world that they have a "patented combination of comedic chemistry and candy colored sibling harmony" and are "a uniquely charming and talented musical duo... currently seeking agency representation", but Wikipedia is not for advertisement or promotion of any kind, and anything like that is deleted at sight - fine in Myspace or Facebook, but not in the pages of an encyclopedia. That is why group accounts are not allowed and why people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves - see Wikipedia is not about YOU and Wikipedia:Autobiography.
You mentioned other articles - we have 3,900,000 and we know that many are substandard, so What about that other article? is not an argument that is accepted, but they are (a) not written by their subjects (b) not promotional in tone (c) backed up by references to independent sources to confirm what they say and establish notability to the standard of WP:MUSICBIO. JohnCD (talk) 22:11, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Old Black Bear Brewing Company


I understand your comments for removal of my Entry, I did copy text from their website, as I am just now learning about the company, I was hoping that more people would refine the article and add more information.

Is there a way to do that (have a non-live article)? Then possibly release it when it is ready? I know there is a big local group of people here locally that fought to get Craft Breweries in Alabama by way of the "Free the Hops" campaign that would have more insight than me on the topic. Yunus Hasan 20:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yunushasan (talkcontribs)

Read the section headed "Advice as promised" on User talk:Jtseaton which will tell you how to start a userspace draft; but read carefully the section about notability. JohnCD (talk) 21:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

My Editor Review

I have been here for a while and want to improve myself. Though I try my best to do the right thing, I may do something wrong. As you have seen me work, can you please leave me a review as I want to know where I stand so far and what should I improve to be a good editor. Your opinion has always been valuable and your review can help. Thanks :) Yasht101 08:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For deleting the Tahkyia (R.E.D.) Brady page (finally) under G12. Thanks! Tomtomn00 (talkcontributions) 17:14, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you! It didn't wait that long, only about an hour. CAT:CSD is quite well-patrolled now - there used to be times when the backlog was 150 - 200 and things lingered for days. Have a look at the note I left at the bottom of the author's talk page - it's useful to add something like that (with details tweaked as necessary) to a copyvio notice, otherwise they go to all the trouble of making a copyright release and then we say "sorry, puffery, not notable" and delete it again, which is not very friendly. JohnCD (talk) 20:33, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


There is an article Fura-2, which has a redirect Fura. That redirect is where the reverted article is hiding. I've tried explaining this at User talk:Aharon Mathews but I don't think he really gets the whole thing. Peridon (talk) 18:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I will encourage him to start a userspace draft, though it seems to me a case of WP:UPANDCOMING. That previous stuff is no good to him - the coherent part is copyvio, and the rest is puffery. (Where do they learn that Capital Letters For Every Single Word style?). JohnCD (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Harry Devon Johnson

Edited My Blank Out error and that's also for my apology to you John Cd - of the use of my language on your talk page. I should have played the game smarter - like I already new. Sorry CommunityFlaawless (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem, don't worry about it. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Too fast!

I went to find the real article that Daniel Simmister was ripping off, and by the time I got back, you'd beaten me to the deletion. :p LadyofShalott 16:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

It was blatant enough that I decided to shoot first and ask questions afterwards - no doubt you found that the answer was Efraín Ríos Montt. JohnCD (talk) 16:36, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Yep. I can't blame you for your chosen route either. It was pretty dang obvious. LadyofShalott 16:38, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Jeremiah McHoes

I do not understand why you deleted my page. No one knows more about Jeremiah McHoes than I do, because I am Jeremiah McHoes... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsmchoes (talkcontribs) 19:49, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

It is explained on your talk page: Wikipedia is not a site like Myspace for people to write about themselves. It's an encyclopedia, so article subjects have to be notable, and writing about oneself is strongly discouraged, for reasons explained at Wikipedia is not about YOU and Wikipedia:Autobiography. JohnCD (talk) 20:09, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

So the only way I will be able to have a page about me is if I became famous? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsmchoes (talkcontribs) 21:09, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's right; and even then you should not write it yourself. JohnCD (talk) 21:12, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Put Your Hearts Up

User:Rlg000raz wishes to start this article again with the content from his sandbox. Apparently the song has charted 61 for US iTunes. You were one of the contributors moving the page to Ariana Grande. I would like to know if you think the content is enough. I believe a large amount of the content is the same and would perhaps need additional third-party sources. SwisterTwister talk 03:25, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

That was redirected after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Put Your Hearts Up - all I did was restore the redirect after an IP reverted it. I have told Rlg000raz that he needs to convince Armbrust (talk) who closed the AfD, or failing that go to WP:DRV. JohnCD (talk) 09:09, 12 May 2012 (UTC)


no I wasn't notified of nothing ans what's ironic enough is that I was about to edit the page to say that it now gas a active community about it (it reached not ability) I think that's fair enough to keep the page can I have it undeleted sjo I can prove that it has been noticed ... on the page itself :D (talk) 08:54, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

You had several notifications. At the top of your screen, click on "My talk". That shows you your talk page, where you can read them all. When you see a yellow bar across the top of your screen saying "You have new messages", you should click "My talk" to see what the new messages are.
Read WP:42 to see what we mean by notability. If you believe you can really show notability to that standard, reply below here and I will move the page into your user space where you can work on it; but don't ask for that unless it's really notable, because otherwise you will be wasting your time. JohnCD (talk) 14:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

sorry for my slow reply i been bussy its the official group lots of talking and discussion about Mobile Forces Source has been happening there lately :D (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage prototype released

Hey JohnCD! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:47, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

deborah hertz - you said that it passes the low bar of a7 (for keep, not to delete). i am skeptical. so...can i bring it to the afd section for discussion? my main issue is that there are zero RS for anything she has done, and two references added a few days ago are very weak. the jewish women's archive lists any jewish woman - notable or not by any standards (see: ). and the other reference is simply a review of a book she wrote. 99% of all academic publications get reviewed by their peers. having a book reviewed certainly doesn't make someone notable, right? (wrong?) i am sure that prof hertz is a very nice person, etc. but i am having trouble seeing her article (or any search for her in googleland) meet even the lowest bar of anything notable. help... Soosim (talk) 10:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, certainly you can take it to AfD - there are many articles that pass the low bar of A7 but not the higher one of notability. A7 is there to weed out the ones where there is no need for discussion. Read WP:DEL and WP:AFD, unless you are familiar with them, and WP:PROF, the notability standard for academics. JohnCD (talk) 16:18, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
thank you! Soosim (talk) 16:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Declined speedy

Hi JohnCD. I tagged the article User/Gunkarta/Userboxes/Pluralism as a test page as it is in article space, rather than at User:Gunkarta/Userboxes/Pluralism. The latter page already exists, so I could not move and then tag the redirect page under G2. Regards GILO   A&E 17:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, OK, I understand - I didn't spot the vital / instead of : - sorry about that! JohnCD (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

French people

Hi, the picture is representing the French Marie Sklodowska Curie (she is from Poland!!), who lives in France. Is not this a bug? What do you think? Top811 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:58, 13 May 2012 (UTC).

Well, she was born in Poland, but she moved to France aged 24, married a Frenchman, studied and worked and won two Nobel prizes there, lived there for the rest of her life, and is buried in the Panthéon which is "a secular mausoleum containing the remains of distinguished French citizens." I think it's reasonable to show her as representing France. If you disagree, the article talk page is the place to take it up. JohnCD (talk) 20:17, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


Why would you delete my page?! It was completely real about my friend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MilkMunched (talkcontribs) 18:08, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

We do not allow attack pages, and anyway Wikipedia is not a place to write about your friends. JohnCD (talk) 20:25, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: attack pages

Heh, I certainly wasn't going to bother with any "welcome to editing" messages. Quite the opposite; I already tagged the account as a vandalism only account on the notice board. Human.v2.0 (talk) 09:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

A new user won't normally be blocked for a first offence, only if he persists after warning; that's why a warning is necessary. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Daria Adamantina

You might like this one - I've just looked at your userpage. I've deleted the article version A7, but that doesn't work in userspace, does it? The article was 'authored' by a different name. This user is blocked at pt-wiki for userpage abuse, and at es-wiki the userpage has been deleted. The 'films' link to Film, and I can find nothing outside blogspot for the first of them. Would this go as a hoax, perhaps? BTW the AfD on the (so far...) longest running hoax on WP is near its end - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tillery (about six and a half years in existence, but doubts were cast on its second day). The long running hoaxes page will need changing - TPH (or an otter) has added this already, but got the maths wrong. Peridon (talk) 17:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the complete absence of any confirmation in places like IMDb makes this a G3 hoax. I would normally like two pairs of eyes, but I'll count you as the first. It's also personal details of a minor. If this goes on we may need an SPI on these accounts, but let's hope they give up. JohnCD (talk) 18:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

User Ashashyou

I noticed that you replaced the speedy delete notice at Flint stone bracelets and armlets of Egypt with a copyvio investigation notice. Looking at Ashashyou (talk · contribs)'s recent edits, I notice some massive copyvio at Nawamis and more copyvio in other articles recently, mainly reverted. I've warned the editor. Dougweller (talk) 18:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I saw your warning. Maybe, added to my explanation, he will get the idea. I thought there was the possibility of an article there, if he can rewrite the text; if not, having been listed at Copyright problems, it'll be zapped or stubbed in a week. JohnCD (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Advice please!

Hey John!

I need your advice on this please. This editor turned off ClueBot, I know that CBNG is only meant to be turned off by admins so when I saw a non-admin do it I assumed CBNG had done something wrong and I asked the question because I was going to report any issues to User:Cobi. However, the user has actually admitted to intentionally vandalising CBNG's run page and admitted to vandalising CBNG's talk page albeit over a year ago. I'm inclined to let it go however because turning off the anti-vandal bot is quite serious, that's why I'm asking for a second opinion from you. What do you reckon?--5 albert square (talk) 20:35, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it was silly rather than malevolent, so I agree a block is not necessary. In order to bring another voice in, I have given him a final warning of a long block if he does anything like that again. I wonder, should Cluebot be full-protected again? I see it was before, and I don't know what were the reasons for downgrading the protection to semi. JohnCD (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
From what I remember it was downgraded before because not all ClueBot's admins are Wikipedia sysops, only Cobi from what I know. So it would have meant that if changes needed to be made to that page from ClueBot's admins unless Cobi was active, they wouldn't be able to do anything without asking for the page to be unlocked first. I have actually just posted though on User talk:DamianZaremba as he seems to be the only one of ClueBot's admins that's active at the moment (Cobi's not made any edits since 4 May) and asked if they would like it fully protected even just for a short while, I've pointed out that doing that might be better than the bot being turned off. I'm reluctant to do it without at least getting his opinion because, like I say, it would then mean that he can't edit the page. I'm thinking it's strange though that the majority of this is redlinked users and it's only started to really happen over the last few days. I did wonder if sockpuppetry was involved.--5 albert square (talk) 21:08, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised there isn't more trouble there - it's an obvious target for vandals, either in revenge for being reverted, or to help sneak in their next vandalism. I guess it helps that the user page says "administrators may turn off this bot". JohnCD (talk) 21:17, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
I suppose, but even if you put "administrators may turn off this bot" if a vandal is really determined, that will not deter them. With it being set indefinitely to autoconfirmed users I think there's the assumption that they will not vandalise. Sadly, that's not always the case. I'm inclined to leave ClueBot's run page just now, it's on my watchlist anyway, if the vandalism should get really bad whilst I'm online tonight then I'll just upgrade it's protection for a few days and if ClueBot's admins object they can always message me. When I come on tomorrow, if I've no response from Damien and the vandalism has continued I'll lock it then too. I'd just rather give Damien the chance to respond first :)--5 albert square (talk) 21:38, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. They have generally been reverted quickly - a good many people must have it on their watchlists. I'll add it to mine. Cheers, JohnCD (talk) 21:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Another one for you

I'm boggled. So is the nominator, I think. It's at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zebediah Dingle and either an encyclopaedic knowledge of Emmerdale or a joy in digging would be an advantage. I like digging, but haven't seen Emmerdale since Amos was at t'Woolpack and had acquired a microwave... Peridon (talk) 22:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not into Emmerdale either, but I will read the soap section of the TV magazine in the bath I am about to have and see if I achieve enlighten ment. JohnCD (talk) 22:19, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Scouty2 Edits for Smith County, Texas

ScountY2 (talk) 20:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)Sir:

I was attempting to add to the Smith County article under "See Also" the names of several local attractions and link to their websites, several of which have different named links within Wikipedia or are only external links. I ought I was doing it correctly but obviously I have not. I think I understand now that I can add the names of the attractions but need to add the character that indicates an external link or website. Is that correct?

Thank you!

What you were doing was creating "articles" consisting only of an external link. You can see at the existing Smith County article how to do it: if there is already an article for the subject you want to link to, put the name of the article as an entry under "See also" as a wikilink between double square brackets. "See also" is only for references within Wikipedia: if there is no article, put the entry under "External links" in the same format as existing ones - within single square brackets, first the full URL starting with "http", then a space, then the text that you want to appear. Don't overdo it, though - read WP:NOTGUIDE #2 "Travel guides" and the guideline WP:External links. JohnCD (talk) 21:53, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for ur valuable suggestions and noteworthy linksMaharathi (talk) 10:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The Deletion of Bradford Catholics page

I believe my page to have been unfairly deleted and i believe it should be un-blocked this religion was not just made up one day with my mates this religion was created because we strongly believe this is how life should be lived and think that many others may feel the same way we already have 30 followers and as it was only properly formed 6 days ago that obviously proves we are serious about this and we are just trying to spread are views on religion or at least make people aware of are religion.We hope you will take this message seriously and will grant us are request.

with thanks --Pricey987 (talk) 17:14, 16 May 2012 (UTC) (Jack Price)

Sorry, there are sites like Myspace where you can write about it, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and an encyclopedia is not a place for announcing new things - it only reports on things that are already well established, so that other people have commented on them independently.
The guideline Wikipedia is not for things made up one day was written mainly for people who have made up a new word or a joke "philosophy", but you should read it all because it explains the issues quite well, and they apply even when the subject is serious. JohnCD (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I understand thanks anyway — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Revision deletion

Hi John, since I know you do a bit of work in WP:REVDEL, could you please redact the most recent vandalism on the October 27 article as per WP:CRD#2. Thanks in advance. Jared Preston (talk) 17:26, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. JohnCD (talk) 17:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


Is it wrong to talk about racism in wikipedia? - Aviyal:My Talk Page:My Contributions 19:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean.
  • As a subject in articles: yes, it can be talked about, there is a long article Racism and many more detailed ones listed in Index of racism-related articles
  • In discussions on talk pages and noticeboards: it is very unlikely to be helpful to accuse another editor of racism - see WP:No personal attacks
If you want more than this general answer, you will have to make your question more specific. JohnCD (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Winchester College Football for move

If you look at the official site of the sport:, a capital F is used, so this is why I requested for it to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xmteam (talkcontribs) 15:07, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia's style is not to capitalize words in the title except for proper nouns. For comparable articles, see Eton wall game and Harrow football, though both those use caps in their own pages: [17], [18]. JohnCD (talk) 16:04, 17 May 2012 (UTC)


For your quick action on the uncontentious speedy Cinder Cone thing. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:14, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposal to change the behavior of maintanence categories for this template

I've started a discussion about fixing the broken update behavior maintenance categories for BLPPRODs, or changing those categories entirely. That discussion is at:


I've noticed that you sometimes work BLPPROD deletion, your opinions and ideas would be welcome. --joe deckertalk to me 06:37, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Jessie Jack Hooper page

Hi, JohnCD-

Thanks for your kind and helpful notes re the page I started. I'd been dubbing around with the idea for a page on that topic for a bit, and I guess I just got impatient to have something show up there. Jessie Jack Hooper is a truly nationally-significant person from my community, and it has really bothered me that she hasn't been on the list of local notables. I've had a request out, for ages, to a local professor who has developed a huge amount of scholarly information about her, but as yet haven't gotten her to commit to letting me turn something she has already written into a wikipedia page (crediting her and her sources properly, of course.)

As I'm living abroad at the moment, for now, just listing Jessie Jack Hooper on the "notables" list will have to do, but I'll turn up the heat on that prof when I get back home this summer, and make this page really a good one. Thanks again for your help! MAOffer (talk) 19:53, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Good, I'm glad you were not scared off. She may not survive on the notables list - those lists are really for people with articles - but she can be put back when you write one. JohnCD (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

hi john

Trophy.png hi john
why did you delete my created Ezzil 02 (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker here) I did too. Wikipedia isn't somewhere for you to post your history. Apart from which, if your friends don't know who you are, why are they friends? Seriously, that's what Facebook and MySpace are for. Telling your friends about the things they don't know about you. This is an encyclopaedia - we list people that are of note way outside a few friends. They have articles about them in national papers and magazines, or jobs like Member of Parliament or Senator. Sorry, but if it appears again, it'll go again. and if you carry on, you might get blocked from editing altogether. Wikipedia is free to edit, but you still have to follow the rules. Peridon (talk) 21:12, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Peridon, well put. Ezzil, I have already explained on your talk page, and pointed you to WP:NAY. LinkedIn is another good place for posting CVs. JohnCD (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks for your contributions, John! SwisterTwister talk 16:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you! I'm not in a damp field like Peridon, but I have to go and do the washing-up, so I am also glad to be cheered up. JohnCD (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

what the hell is this....?

what going on your mind man why did you delete my page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rithvikreddy.p (talkcontribs) 13:54, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

I explained on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 13:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

A request

Can you please restrict creation creation of this to admins or autopatrolled autoconfirmed only: [19] Many newbies are creating it and this has no meaning. TheSpecialUserTalkContributions* 17:06, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

It's either sysop or autoconfirmed. Thanks! --Tomtomn00 (talkcontributions) 17:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Facepalm3.svg Facepalm TheSpecialUserTalkContributions* 17:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
It's all one user, and he has been here long enough to be autoconfirmed. I don't think this is bad enough for full protection. I have explained WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:AUTO - let's see if he get the message. JohnCD (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2012 (UTC)


Sorry I didn't meant to hoax or anything. I got the story from some other person! Won't happen again. (Spitfire202 (talk) 20:37, 19 May 2012 (UTC))

And crap I'm really embarrassed about it. Sorry again~! (Spitfire202 (talk) 20:39, 19 May 2012 (UTC))

Earl of Gowry

As it was decided to delete the above as a hoax, would it not be a better idea to delete the article outright and re-create the redirect? The same hoaxer may come along and reinstate this just from the edit history. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 19:01, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

It would indeed, and that's what I intended to do and thought I had done, but by a complex series of fumbles I managed to get it wrong. Now fixed - thanks for pointing it out. JohnCD (talk) 19:06, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Last year, I realized that the ARC Weekly Top 40 was no longer on WikiPedia. Although it was accurate, a lot of people were unknown of this chart and the MBG Top 40 chart. At first I was a little upset it was not on the website. However, me being subscribed to Billboard, I realized that the information on ARC Weekly was "a little bit off". It says it's supposed to be Airplay and Sales. Unfortunately, the chart has undergone changes that no one else had known.

Yes, when I do not want to log into my Billboard.Biz subscription, I do visit ARC rockonthenet. But what I've noticed is that it was pretty much like It seemed off from what it was supposed to be. I looked at Hot 100 Airplay, Mainstream Top 40, and even Pop Digital Songs; it seemed inaccurate. Another thing was that there were about 275 songs in its first year (1980), but there were only 156 songs in 2009. Since I knew the history of Contemporary hit radio and the formats it spawned into, I knew that the website did not provide enough information about its chart change. It was as if it focused on The Billboard Hot 100 from 1980 to 1990, Hot 100 Airplay and Sales from 1991-1996, Top 40 Tracks from 1996-2003, and the Mainstream Top 40 and Pop Digital from 2004-present.

Thank you for deleting it on WikiPedia. Someone like me, who was born way after 1980, could have misused an inaccurate chart when trying to re-live Contemporary hit radio in the 1980s. DominiquesMusic (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Normally, I wouldn't feel I deserved a barnstar for a deletion which, like this one, was the result of closing a deletion discussion - it should really go to user TenPoundHammer (talk) who did the research and actually nominated the page. However, as you can see from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ARC Weekly Top 40, this one involved deleting more than thirty pages, so it was quite hard work, and I accept your barnstar with thanks! JohnCD (talk) 22:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Awful lot of deletions!

By the looks of this chat page, you've deleted an awful lot. Including a page on Hakan Serbes. Perhaps the time has come to boot you off! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:40, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

He probably deleted it for good reason. And all the other on this talk page too. If he didn't he would promptly be recalled.--Otterathome (talk) 12:33, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Letting anyone edit brings in more than one new page a minute and, while there is a lot of good stuff, a regrettable proportion are unsuitable, so administrators have a lot of deleting to do; but there are quite strict rules about what they can delete and why. This one was the result of a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hakan Serbes, and if you think it was wrongly decided, or you have more information, you can appeal at WP:Deletion review. JohnCD (talk) 22:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Jeremy Clarkson

Has our childrens' TV fan now returned? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

If so, he's got a new IP - the last one is still blocked. I have semi-protected the article for three months. JohnCD (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2012 (UTC)


The more I look at this whole thing, the more I see an extensive and deliberate attempt at subversion spreading across a number of articles. This is clearly not someone here to improve the encyclopedia, but someone here to disrupt it quite seriously by implanting a blatant hoax supported by various falsehoods. My feelings are that the block should be raised to indef - what do you think? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

And he's made a legal threat, so I've upped it to indef. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, I don't disagree. I was waiting for checkuser results from the SPI. I didn't indef at once because it looked as though he has done some good work on Afghan articles, for instance this chart, which may even be accurate - it certainly doesn't support his hoax. The way he is denying everything didn't impress me, though. JohnCD (talk) 12:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
OK, sounds good. I guess the next move depends on a combination of the SPI CU results and his response to the NLT block - I'll leave it to you. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thank you JohnCD for keeping Wikipedia free from vandalism and trolling! Happy Editing :) TheGeneralUser (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you! That'll be the day; and the real trick would be to keep it free of advertising and self-promotion. It's an unending struggle, but we keep plugging on... and thank you for doing the first-line patrolling that shows me where admin action is needed. JohnCD (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

some other socks of Snoopdobby

Hi, I see you blocked Snoopdobby... there are some obvious socks - doesn't seem to warrant an SPI, thought you might care to look at them? Thanks

Compare to Snoopdobby diff QU TalkQu 20:36, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks. This is some silly idiot on Twitter. Blocked the accounts, not worth blocking most of the IPs. If he keeps it up, we can get an edit filter, but I expect he'll soon get bored even with this and go back to throwing stones at cats or writing his name on lavatory walls. JohnCD (talk) 20:45, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
    Thanks, appreciated - QU TalkQu 20:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:31, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your help! After I saw that my first page had been deleted before I had even realized it was marked for speedy deletion, I was concerned that Wikipedia might not be the place for me. But your help has put me on the right path and I once again have faith that Wikipedia editors are here to help. Your comments were very helpful, thank you very much!

Greyb1 (talk) 21:36, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I have updated (and I think drastically improved) the article that you helped me with earlier. Take a look if you like: User:Greyb1/CenterEdge Software. There is still more work to do, but you were a big help. Thanks, again. Greyb1 (talk) 03:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)


Yes I wasn't happy with it and tried to do it in a rush before I went out which is never a wise move for your 1st new Wiki page. I'll do some more digging on content. I created it because I had trouble finding a definition elsewhere !! There is a further complication that Itol is already there as a redirection to Polyol. I'll have a rethink. thanks Andrew Andrewdeacon51 (talk) 07:27, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Heidi Bedell Wikipedia page

Hi JohnCD, I note that you have deleted my page due to me being unimportant. You might be right but I am vain and I liked having it. In my defense, I'd like to point out a few things which may be noteworthy. I am the only Green politician to have stood in two different districts and won both times. I've never lost an election I stood for (that's only two, but still). With regard to my time as Chair of the National Council and National Co-ordinator: The Party suffered great losses in the 1999 election, the feeling in the party was very low. Because I had the time, I became the first full-time national co-ordinator in 1999. I poured my heart into the party and began to lift it up out of the doldrums. I was the co-ordinator when the party decided to elect a leader and when they decided to elect Trevor. In 1996 when Trevor and I first met, I acted as his image consultant, a role I continued to play to the party in general. When Trevor and I got engaged 2 weeks after we'd met, a number of comments were made that this had helped to secure his Malahide vote in the 1997 general election. I was the leader of the party up to 2001 and I was co-leader with Trevor up to 2003. I stepped down just before Stiofan Nutty was appointed General Secretary - a new role, now possible with the extra money that the 2003 election success had provided. I know the Green Party has had many 'ups and downs' through the years and there are many more to come, but that 'up' was my 'up' and it is currently invisible. I've never heard anyone ask - how did the green party go from 1 TD in 1996 to 6 TDs in 2003? Who was running the party before they had a leader?

I had never thought about this untill I completed a masters this year which included an interesting module on feminisim. It was during these lectures that I fully digested the claim that women tend to be written out of history. I can't help wondering if I was male would I have taken up more space in people's consciousness? Maybe not. Who really cares? I'd like my page back. Thanks. (talk) 13:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Your wish is my command: I have restored your article. However, there is a catch, and to explain it I need to explain some Wikipedia bureaucracy. I deleted it (two years ago) by a process called WP:Proposed deletion or PROD: any user who thinks an article should go can place a notice (PROD template) on it giving reasons. For seven days, any user who objects can simply remove the template. If, after seven days, no-one has done that, the article is deleted. As PROD is meant for uncontroversial deletions, a PRODded article is automatically restored on request, as I have now done.
Once restored, it may not be PRODded again, but there is a more deliberate process, WP:Articles for deletion which involves a debate, again lasting seven days. I will notify user Snappy (talk), who PRODded your article, that it has been restored (with a link to this discussion) and he (or any user) may choose to nominate it at AfD.
The issue is not importance, but Wikipedia:Notability, a term used in a particular sense in Wikipedia: it is required for any article subject, and is not a matter of opinion but has to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." We try to avoid making subjective judgements about things like importance by asking a more objective question: is there evidence that people independent of the subject have thought her/him/it important enough to write substantial comment about? There is more detail at WP:Notability (people), particularly the section WP:POLITICIAN.
There is nothing in the restored article which shows notability in that sense. I can understand why you feel that your behind-the-scenes role was important, but can you give references to independent sources (press, published memoirs... ) which confirm that?
In regard to your own article you have, from our point of view, a WP:Conflict of interest, see also WP:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest and WP:Autobiography, and we would prefer that you did not yourself edit it directly. You are welcome to make suggestions, particularly to provide references, on the article talk page.
Two more links - I am sorry to give so many: there is advice for people who are the subjects of Wikipedia articles at WP:Biographies of living persons/Help, and a "noticeboard" at WP:BLP/N where you can ask for assistance.
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:44, 23 May 2012 (UTC)