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August 2008[edit]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scooby Doo: The Beginning[edit]

Plenty of sources have turned up in a day. You might want to reconsider your !vote in this afd. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP!) 00:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

  • AfD already withdrawn when I woke up. Technically still fails WP:NFF but if shooting really starts in a few days it may as well stay. JohnCD (talk) 06:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yaringa Boat Harbour Marina[edit]

I actually haven't finish the article, you tagged it before I added the references. Now my additions are not displayed and I don't know why. Please, look at the editing page of the article and give me advice what to do. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

  • There's a problem with the reference - I'll sort it out and come back to you in a few minutes. JohnCD (talk) 13:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


Lol. Pressed the wrong button. Can you please stop spamming my talk page with your nonsense? Thanks in advance! Hampickles (talk) 19:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

  • A deal: you stop creating inappropriate pages, and I'll stop sending you messages about them. JohnCD (talk) 19:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
    • I'm guessing you're the type that edits Wikipedia for fun and giggles? Here's a deal: Stop spamming my talk page with your empty threats, nonsense, flaming, etc. Please and thank you! You can view the guidelines at Wikipedia:No personal attacks Hampickles (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
      • (this led on to vandalism on my talk and user pages and eventually an indef block). JohnCD (talk) 09:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

IMBIT article[edit]

Hello John,

I'm now reading through the requirements for an organization. Hopefully the article will remain, instead of a deletion. Do you have any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kriskras (talkcontribs) 11:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Meriwether Lewis Clark, Sr.[edit]

Hello John;

I was still adding, editing, and correcting typos in the article when you moved it to another location of Wiki... where did it go???

Aedwardmoch (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)AedwardmochAedwardmoch (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


i've seen plenty of other articles written the exact same way that have not been deleted. please explain.Sandersonpr (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

  • The fact that some unsuitable articles have got in is not a reason for allowing more - see Other Stuff Exists. Crossing with your message I posted one on your talk page explaining that Wikipedia is not for promotion and pointing you to relevant guidelines; see also the reply headed "IMBIT" two up on this talk page. JohnCD (talk) 16:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Fx Solutions Page - help needed[edit]

JohnCD -

I added 2 outside sources to my page and also tried to post it in the Business Economics Wikiprojects page for review.

Can you verify I took all the necessary steps to get my page added.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fxsol (talkcontribs) 14:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

  • (replied on his talk page). JohnCD (talk) 21:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ben Mullany[edit]

Since we did just hold the AfD on it, you're probably better off trying to discuss it on the article's talk page first. You're right in that AfD's don't normally have anything to do with redirection, but we do occasionally close one with that result and some may see it as a rather WP:POINTy way to "delete" the article. If you don't get any objections (give it a week or so, so that it has a chance to be noticed), then sure, go ahead. Thank you for not trying to drag this to Deletion Review. Hersfold (t/a/c) 20:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Deletion Review is intended to appeal any deletion or closure of a deletion discussion, be that keep, no consensus, delete, or anything else. That said, it is sort of a last resort and you are expected (if not required) to attempt to discuss with the deleting/closing admin before filing a review, and are expected to have strong evidence or arguments as to why the closure was not appropriate. Simply "I don't agree" will get you turned down real fast. Don't know why I'm going on about it so much since you're not doing it (THANK YOU), but just for future reference, I suppose. Let me know how your discussion turns out. Hersfold (t/a/c) 00:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good. Be ready to discuss things if Welshrich doesn't agree with it, but everything should sort out ok. Thanks for checking back in. :-) Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: 2081 (film)[edit]

There is a trailer available on the website. To my knowledge that is reasonable proof that filming has (and is) taking place. Admittedly I am new to the Wiki business ("long time reader first time writer"), so I'd love all the tips I can get. JayLv99 (talk) 10:47, 19 August 2008 (EST)

  • That seems to be the film's own web-site, so doesn't count as an independent source. If the film is at all advanced there would surely be an entry on IMDb. First publicity about a film like this often appears at a very early stage when they are still trying to raise money.
For general advice, look at the links on the Welcome paragraph I put on your talk page; for this particular situation, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:IS, WP:NF on notability of films, in particular WP:NFF for forthcoming films, and WP:CRYSTAL for Wikipedia's general attitude towards future events - as an encyclopedia it needs articles to be much more solidly based than most web-sites like blogs and fan-sites.
You will see from the PROD template that you are quite entitled to remove it if you disagree with deletion for any reason - PROD's are meant for uncontroversial deletions. Unless I can find some sort of confirmation, I would then probably list it on Articles for deletion, which would start a five-day discussion about whether it should be deleted. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay. This makes sense. I e-mailed the director and will save what I had placed on there to be resubmitted once it gets some independent backing. Hopefully they'll get on imdb or some other place soon. JayLv99 (talk) 17:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Good - I was going to suggest you save it so your work won't be wasted. JohnCD (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
    • Does the MPI link I provided constitute a valid enough source? JayLv99 (talk) 15:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
      • Not really - it helps confirm the film exists but not that it's notable because they aren't independent: they funded the film, and in fact the article says they produced it. See long comment which I have added to the AfD discussion. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
        • I added some new information from another source that has definitely helped add more material to the article and hopefully will take care of the issue of notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JayLv99 (talkcontribs) 14:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I was an extra in this film. It wrapped months ago. There are numerous references to it on the web. IMDB is, very often, NOT used by filmmakers who are not inside the studio system (I should know as I have appeared in sveral films and found them all to have taken FOREVER to appear on IMDB) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the notice on my talk page inre 2081 (film). I appreciate the courtesy you have extended. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Articles deleted[edit]

Tanya Huff[edit]

I'm not connected with her, but I have read the books in the past two weeks. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I did cite a source. All the book articles list the ISBN number. Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Would it be an acceptable compromise if I were to instead list them in List of Tanya Huff novels? Me-123567-Me (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
You mean like the list of her works that ALREADY EXISTS at her own article? (talk) 19:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to need your help. The anon user above is being difficult. Me-123567-Me (talk) 20:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • Don't get into an edit war. Leave the "suggested merge" tag on the List article, make your case on the talk page, and see what other comments come up. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
  • It's a good idea to keep the re-directs, as users may be looking for those books. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

closing accounts[edit]

Please may I have information on how to close accounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GFEpisodes (talkcontribs) 19:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

  • There isn't really any way to close an account. There is a rather complicated procedure called the "Right to Vanish", which you can find at WP:VANISH; but that is for somebody who wants to dissociate his account from his real identity. As that article says, "Allowing your editing to trail off or simply stopping editing is likely to be about as effective since for the most part if a user in good standing disappears people tend to accept they are gone and leave it at that. This has the advantage that you can change your mind with no penalty." If you don't want to use your account any more, just stop using it. But don't be discouraged if a couple of your articles got deleted - follow some of the pointers from the Welcome paragraph on your user page, and you may find some way you would like to contribute. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

account closure[edit]

Hi John

Thanks for that. Hope you got my email earlier explaining all.

With regards to the deleted items, it was my son who created in error, and after a conversation was made to see that he couldn't go on wikipedia again as he doesn't understand the "rules".

Consequently it has cause alot of worry and upset for both, hence the wish to close the account.

Will just not use the account, thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I didn't get an email, but there is absolutely no need to worry - Wikipedia is extremely resilient to new users who don't know the ropes (as it has to be, since anyone can edit); all your son did was create a couple of articles that were deleted because they weren't considered suitable. Much worse things than that happen every day, every hour, and Wikipedia survives. I would encourage him to spend some time looking at existing articles, and reading some of the guidelines like the Introduction, the Five Pillars and Your First Article, and then have another go. Another useful, though rather long, guideline is What Wikipedia is not. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

To John CD[edit]

Hi! I am the author of the article Shooting at the Moon (book). At first, when I got the template that we were in an editing conflict, I was quite annoyed. But once I saw the changes you made, i can do no less than thank you. Thanks for fixing up the article but at the same time letting my writing survive. --Dale S. Satre 23:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


Than you for reporting I was going to do it but you did it for me. TB8 (talk) 08:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Good of you to take it like that - in those circumstances I tend to feel like a hunter baulked of his prey. I actually saw his last vandalism on Recent Changes, clicked rollback, reported him, and was surprised to see the rollback wasn't on my list of contributions - you must have rolled it back just before me. Better too many of us watching than not enough! Regards, JohnCD (talk) 08:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Clarifying CSD - Thanks[edit]

John, thank you for inadvertantly clarifying my request [here] as the CSD for French Meadow Bakery wasn't clear when I read the relavant CSD page. The meaning of CSD G11 is now clearer!! Ian. --Ormers (talk) 13:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

  • No problem. It was also a copyvio from their web-site, so {{db-copyvio}} would have done as well; but I feel that a new user might feel justifiably annoyed if we say "delete because it's copyright", and he then fixes the permissions and puts it back in, and we say "aha! copyright may be OK now, but delete as advertising". JohnCD (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Omar Spence[edit]

I hope I am communicating in the appropriate manner here. Omar Spence's notability is more than as a progeny, in my view. From my research he has been a consistent spokesperson for his family in relation to legal issues concerning his late father's estate, plus has now assumed what appears to be a fairly prominent role in evangelical music in the Santa Cruz area. His importance to Moby Grape is highlighted in how he is introduced and in his band role at the 40th anniversary Summer of Love reunion--a rough clip of which is accessible via YouTube.

I will try to come up with more convincing evidence in the next short while, assuming that the foregoing does not address your concerns.

Dreadarthur (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, it's fine to communicate here; you should also give your view at the AfD debate. What happens now is that any user, including you, can give their views and after a time (normally five days) an administrator will look over the debate and see whether there is a consensus to delete. (If no consensus, the default is "keep".) Although the contributions look like votes, it's not a case of counting numbers of votes, but of who puts the most convincing arguments in terms of Wikipedia's policies. Meanwhile you can add to the article, and put a note in the AfD debate if you have added to it significantly in terms of notability. Have a look at WP:BIO - what you need to find is anything showing his independent notabily. For instance "spokesperson for his family in relation to legal issues concerning his late father's estate" might merit a mention in his father's article but isn't really independent notability. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

In rereading my earlier notability justification and in reflecting on your comments, I am inclined to agree with your decision here. One dimension to notability may be that of keeping his father's legacy alive, but that hasn't fully developed as of yet. For example, I note that he is organizing a second Skip Spence Tribute Concert for this October: On the other hand, I can't yet find his recorded output as an evangelical rock musician. Also, I don't know how prominent he is locally or what degree of local prominence would support Wikipedia notability. Unless I (or hopefully others) can come up with something in the next few days, I suggest that your decision here is very much justified, and thank you for devoting the time here.

Dreadarthur (talk) 17:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

  • No problem. We'll see what develops. Not infrequently these AfD debates inspire someone else to contribute material or develop the article. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't know how to properly insert footnotes[edit]

I inserted the footnotes thoughout the article and I have a list of references at the bottom of my article. When I click on the footnote, it doesn't link to the list of references below. Why is that? Can you please help me to edit it? Thanks.

Mfi27 (talk) 18:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

  • It looks as though you found the advice you needed at Wikipedia:Footnotes. There is one way you could tidy the references up a bit more, if you liked: when you give a link as, for instance, [], what appears is just a number in brackets [1]. But you can put something like [ Turkish Daily News], with a single space after the end of the url and then some text, and then what appears on the screen as the link will be Turkish Daily News, or whatever text you choose to put after the single space and before the closing square bracket, and clicking on that will take you to the site. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot[edit]

Thanks for your help!

Best Regards,

Mfi27 (talk) 21:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Back Alley John page and lack of Google search pickup[edit]

I created a page for the late Canadian blues artist Back Alley John. This was developed over a period of days in the last week or so. Initially, when I did a Google search to see how the page came up, Google picked up earlier versions of the page--in other words, the Google search would reference text that was no longer current in the initial listing, but when one clicked on the page, the current Wikipedia version woudl come up. Now the page doesn't seem to get picked up at all on a Google search. For example, when I search "Back Alley John" combined with "Wikipedia", the Google result is a Wikipedia categorization page, relating to year of death. Have I done something wrong in the setup, such that Google is not picking it up? Raising this in the event that more than one Wikipedia page might be affected by something that is beyond me.

If you have a moment to address this, that would be very much appreciated. I don't know who is the supervising Wikipedia editor for the Back Alley John Page.

Dreadarthur (talk) 14:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

  • That's very odd. Usually, what surprises me about Google is how quickly it picks up new articles - you see an article in New Pages, maybe 2 minutes old, use Google to check on the subject, and there is the article already listed. But I'm afraid I don't know anything about how Google works, and Wikipedia doesn't have anything like a "supervising editor" for particular pages. There is the Help Desk, but that's really for questions about how to use Wikipedia; I think the best place to ask your question would be the Village Pump. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for suggested direction to resolving this mystery.

Dreadarthur (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Integration with other techniques[edit]

Please assume good faith? Why dont you assume good faith in my article and allow me to finish writing it before judging?

Dont be a hypocrite.

And I am not attacking you by stating obvious facts about what you are doing and how you are acting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LindySoul (talkcontribs) 21:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Try WP:AGF yourself. I did nothing to your article. Another user proposed it for deletion, as you can see from the history. All I did was to offer you a pointer to a Wikipedia policy, Wikipedia is not a manual or textbook, because I thought the article as written looked like a textbook or "how-to-do-integration" guide rather than an encyclopedia article, and you would need to develop it differently if it was not to be proposed for deletion. JohnCD (talk) 21:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi there.

Could you please undelete "Goopty"?. I will be adding more to it shortly. We invented this word a while back and are trying to give it some meaning. I promise this won't be nonsense, but rather a new word people could actually use. Let me know.

Thanks, Jonathan and Friends —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcbunio (talkcontribs) 16:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I will put it my sandbox for now if you would like, but I would really like to have this up there. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcbunio (talkcontribs) 16:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Halpin bios[edit]

David Halpin

Vincent Craig Halpin

please dont delete these two links!

its a work in progress as i try to input of the correct information about these two!! They are known to us all locally for their charity/sport/business work in our community of north wales UK!

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadwales (talkcontribs) 13:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

  • The articles have already been deleted. Please read Wikipedia's guideline Notability (people) which explains the requirements for a biographical article. If you think the Halpins meet that requirement, you can re-create the articles, but you will do best not to put them in as articles until you have enough material, including independent references, to make it clear they are notable by Wikipedia's standards. You can prepare the articles off-line in a word-processor like Notepad; alternatively you can put {{underconstruction}} at the top (two curly brackets each side) which will discourage deletion for a few days. Even then, you should have enough material when you first put them in to make it seem likely they are going to be serious articles. (Unfortunately, we get a great many people writing one-liners about themselves and their friends). Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

BetterTrades page deletion[edit]

This page, which I created yesterday, was summarily deleted. This is my first page on wikipedia that I've started myself. I saw that other companies in the same industry were keeping pages, and I saw that other, smaller companies had pages with less content and fewer references. I cited those competitors and other pages in the talk page of the BetterTrades article. I also did some independent research, and the terms "bettertrades" and "better trades" in March got a combined total of around 16,000 searches in google alone. The term "bettertrades," unmistakably the brand name and registered trademark of the company, was 6,500 searches. I think that these thousands of people searching for information about this company need a good, neutral, non-marketing source of information about this relevant, huge, and growing company.Westcoastbiker (talk) 14:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)Westcoastbiker

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I have found a third-party published book with an editor that covers an interview with the CEO and founder of the company. I think that print publication is probably a suitable proof of notoriety. I can cite the book formally with the relevant information regarding the company in the article page if it is restored, or I can cite it here on the talk page if you you need to verify it first. I read everything about neutrality and notability before creating the article, and neither of those issues seemed like a problem because firstly, I'm not interested in biased content and secondly, I can give more sources on notability if needed.Westcoastbiker (talk)Westcoastbiker

  • If you don't have a copy of the deleted page and need access to the text, you will have to ask Coren (talk · contribs), the admin who actually deleted it. One further point - make sure your article is drily factual with no hint of promotion - it's worth reading the article WP:PEACOCK about terms to avoid. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank-you for the help. I left a message on Coren (talk · contribs)'s talk page before I left one on yours, but he hasn't responded yet. I will continue to strive for factual, demonstrative content, also considering the guidelines you just sent. Hopefully contact with Coren will prove as successful as this has.Westcoastbiker (talk) 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)westcoastbiker

I followed up with Coren, the user who actually deleted my page. I explained the situation, and I asked that he please restore the page to me in some way so that I might continue to rigorously edit it before publishing. Unfortunately, after reminding Coren that he had not restored the page privately after a couple days had passed, and waiting again, I still have seen no results. Is there another course of action I can take? I'm only including you because you have been responsive so far, and because you were responsible for the original deletion suggestion. It would be extremely frustrating if the page were arbitrarily deleted by Coren's bot and never given the ability to be revised, at least without me having to start from scratch. Thanks Westcoastbiker (talk) 14:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Westcoastbiker

2081 (film)[edit]

I very much enjoyed the discourse with you over this film. Perhaps we might work together and make it more suitable? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

  • I was just thinking of sending you a similar message. It is indeed pleasant to disagree in such a civilised way. I'm not sure much can be done for the article at present - if the film gets to Sundance and is shown there, there should be good stuff to be added. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slashed[edit]

Hi John, you commented that this article should be deleted as a hoax and/or unverifiable. Since then I have found a number of sources which strongly suggest it is genuine, and presented them at the AfD. This is just to inform you, in case you wish to reconsider your vote. Thanks. the wub "?!" 15:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I'll have a look at them later today. JohnCD (talk) 15:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Poole deletion[edit]

If you could, please cleanup the my Poole article by making the symbols go away, etc. Thank you very much. Please answer on my talk page. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 14:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


Thankyou for redirecting me to the C64GS article it has helped me out. mcjakeqcool —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcjakeqcool (talkcontribs) 17:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Kendra Block[edit]

Why did you erase my 'Kendra Block' page? Go ruin soemoen else's day will ya? I sepnt the whole time finding info on her and you deleted it!!! K-K (talk) 21:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

  • What do you mean? No one has done anything to your Kendra Block page. JohnCD (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Criticism of Bill O'Reilly (commentator)[edit]

John I fealt that the page had several "accuracy related" errors, which I construed as making the page "unneutral" I felt that a lot of the controversies were covered only from one point of view. No where in the article does it make clear that most controversies were created by and/or involved people long regarded as of an oppossing view points. Bill O"Reilly is a conservative talk show host. Most people that make these claims are liberal talk show hosts (keith o'lberman), or other liberal sources that have opinions from a liberal position. It should be noted that "Media Matters" is a extreme far left organization who recently made "questionable" remarks about deceased ex-president ronald reagan's ailing wife, stating quote "that witch is finally going to die" -source San Jose Mercury news and Fox news 8/21/08. My intentions were to verify the sources for all information and editing parts of that page "O'Reilly controversies" from a non-partisan and fact checked perspective. Thanks Dreday22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreday22 (talkcontribs) 21:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Well, the thing to do then is to edit the page, not just delete it. If your changes are likely to be large or controversial, I would strongly suggest you propose them first on the article's talk page and see what other editors think - that would help to avoid an "edit war" where you make changes and others change them back. Also, remember that this is only one of the articles about O'Reilly, because if all the information was in one article it would be too large, and as this is the "Criticism" one it is bound to be anti - it needs to be balanced with the other articles on him. I hope you won't need it, but if you have problems, take a look at the guideline on Dispute resolution. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


Please see the section I left on admin Tn-Xman (or something like that) and please do it! We need to change it imediately! Please please do it right away! {{talkpage}} Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

  • (answered on his talk page)

September 2008[edit]

A puppet problem?[edit]

Please see HERE, and advise. Though I agree for numerous reasons the article in question is not worthy of Wiki, a background check found that the Nom may have been an account created specifically to nominate the article for AfD. The account was created on August 23rd, did a few very narrow edits, immediately nominated the article in question for delete, and made no further edits . This is not the pattern of a newbie, and would seem to indicate the work of an experienced editor having created a puppet account. You are much more experienced than I. What might you suggest? Yikes. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:59, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Did some digging... kinda tough without knowing all the fancy tools...
User:Plantended is an account created August 23 2008 that immediately made several edits in relationship to Girls At The Cairo National Stadium and then nominated the article for deletion. This is not the pattern for a "new' user and struck me as being one of an established editor who may have created the account User:Plantended solely for the purpose of working to remove the article from Wikipedia. Since there has been an tremendous interest in keeping or deleting this article, is highly suspicious that this "new" user would know where to ggo, what to do, and how to do it..' all in one day.
Looking at editors (users or anonymous IP's) that acted only toward the removal of this article, I find that made only 2 edits: both to article on August 23 made 3 edits: nominated the second AfD and minor edits to 2 other pages, all on August 23
, in a 2-1/2 hour period on August 11 made its only edits: to 3 Israeli related articles. The phrases used when editing Girls At The Cairo National Stadium is remarkedly similar to that which was used by User:Plantended on August 23. Compare THIS and THIS. blanked that article page on July 29 but a Cluebot reverted sconds later.
I do not know what a next step might be or how to proceed. Can you help? I do know another editor who seems to use the fancy tools, but thought to check with someone versed in Wiki Project Film.
Ah shucks... maybe I'm finding fault where none exist. User:Phlegm Rooster advised that there may have been good reasons for the one-day account... however, I did learn that IP#'s,, and all originated at the same node in Haifa, Israel. With them and User:Plantended all making the same edits, the same day, for the same cause... and then disappearing... well... it smells fishily of creating a false consensus. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:33, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the delay in replying, but I live in UTC+1 and had gone to bed. I see the AfD you point to has been closed, so these are general remarks. I don't actually have access to any special tools, nor am I particularly a film buff - it's coincidence that we have met on film issues, which I picked up on New Page Patrol or while bottom-fishing in CAT:HOAX. (There's another film AfD going on here, by the way).
Though creating an account specially in order to launch an AfD would be frowned on, I don't think it would be treated as invalidating the AfD, which should be considered on its merits; and there probably wouldn't be enough of an evidence-trail to provide proof. If you have strong evidence of sock-puppetry you can make a report at WP:SSP though in my experience that won't produce a rapid response - days or weeks rather than hours; but it may eventually get a sock blocked. There is also a mechanism called checkuser, requestable at WP:RFCU, which can provide positive evidence by investigating the IPs used, but that is felt to be an invasion of privacy and won't normally be used without strong evidence - "no fishing expeditions."
If it's happening on an AfD like this, the main thing is to ensure that the closing admin knows what's going on. You can add a comment in the AfD debate itself listing your suspicions, and if you check a !voter's edit history and he has few other contributions you can add an {{subst:spa|username}} tag after his signature, which generates a "this user has made few or no other edits outside this topic" message in small type. And if you suspect that !voters are being bussed in, so to speak, you can add {{not a ballot}} at the head of the AfD debate, which generates a big panel saying "This is not a majority vote. If someone brought this page to your attention... " etc, and also serves to alert everyone. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:38, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't think there's any need to follow up un this. The 3 linked Israeli IP's and User:Plantended made deletions and comments at the article all on the same day and within the same 3-hour window, but only User:Plantended went to or said anything at the AfD when he made the 3rd nom (although one of the anonymous Israeli IP's did try to re-insert the 2nd AfD tag that day (the one that the article has survived a month earlier), but it was removed. A few minuted later User:Plantended made the 3rd nom. But as User:Phlegm Rooster advised, this one-shot account was probably created for very good reasons. (Can anonymous IP's nominate to AfD?) Assuming good faith, I will accept that the reasons for this were not to circumvent a ban, as there were no edits anytime since that 3-hour window on the 23rd and none of the anonymous one-day IP's made comment at the AfD. So digging and making a ruckus will just confuse the issue about a really bad article that belongs in AfD. I checked other contributors to the AfD and they all seem to be on the up-and-up. I did post a note about my suspicions, but after corresponding with User:Phlegm Rooster, my feeling is that the AfD has been fair, and I "Struck" the comment. If a closing Admin looks, it's there, but will be seen as retracted. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Ach. Its gone anyway. Just saw the article link go red. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:20, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kenny Toal[edit]

One reason I restored Kenny Toal after the author blanked it was that it was the lead page for the joint AFD. What shall we do now - is there a way to change the title of the AfD to "Pam Royle"? or perhaps best if you close that AfD and I relist Pam Royla separately? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Since User:Wknight94 has closed it I think it's best to relist Pam Royle separately. Stifle (talk) 15:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Spy Movie[edit]

I will keep an eye on it and protect it if the vandalism continues. ... discospinster talk 18:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

  • I've semi-protected the article for 1 week as per your request at WP:RPP. ... discospinster talk 20:03, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I suspect it will be gone by that time. The level of vandalism tends to confirm my suspicion that it's a hoax. JohnCD (talk) 20:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

re: quran[edit]

I was just in the process of editing it and posting on the talk page. Lihaas (talk) 19:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

  • OK. As I said, what I saw looked like vandalism. Regards JohnCD (talk) 19:29, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Pam Royle (Reply)[edit]

Could you explain why this tag is necessary, is it because of the 'kenny toal' piece?

If not, you should take a look at various other journalist pages, which have a shorter article lenght.This is Drew (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


(answered on his talk page)

Please refrain from interfering with attempts to remove puffs from commercial interests posing as genuine posters. Yours, Tif Pembridge —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tifannyp (talkcontribs) 09:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Antigua Honeymoon Murders[edit]

Thank you for your kind comments regarding my rewriting of the article. I was moved to re-write it contained many factual errors. Welshrich (talk) 13:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

I have a Problem[edit]

I have a problem. My posts are showing, but there's no hyperlink to them, as you can see in this post. My user page is [[User:Marshall Williams2]]. Please answer on my talk page as quickly as possible. Marshall T. Williams 01:15, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

re: Metamorphosis locust[edit]

Thanks for dealing with that article. I was running short of time in the morning to fully research it, but I knew something needed done with it. I figured the merge tag was the quickest way to get subject experts to look at it. —C.Fred (talk) 21:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

  • No problem - I thought it looked rather well-written to have come out of the blue, so I looked to see where it might have been copied from. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't Understand[edit]

I'm sorry, but I didn't really understand what you said when you left me your last message. I appreciate you always answering my questions. But could you please answer again? Marshall T. Williams 22:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

re deletion of "oppo dump"[edit]

Thanks for the message...I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm ambivalent about whether it needs to be a separate page. I could add more sources.

The term "oppo dump" is increasing in usage, and the meaning needs to be accessible somewhere. I'm not sure what the criteria would be for saying something is a viable operable term, but it appears frequently in journalism.

One option might be to just incorporate the definiton into the "opposition research" main page, which I've been working on for quite a while now. Let me know if you think that's the best way. The closest thing to a sourced definition of it is from a journalist who uses the term.

So, if you think it needs deletion or "hang on"...I'm down w/ either. (talk) 14:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Problems still persist[edit]

I'm so sorry- its still not working. I mean, I want to sign my post, but its not creating a link for it. like I've said. I'm putting the ~~~~ on the outside of the nowiki brackets, but its still not working. This problem hasn't been happening until now- a few days ago. You said that I don't have to have nowiki brackets to make my post be a hyperlink- and I tried it, and it just showed tildes (~~~~). Is there another reason its not happening? Maybe doing [[~~~~]] will work. I'll test here. Marshall T. Williams 23:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC) Nope. I'll try this>>> User:Marshall Williams2 I'll talk to you later about this. Chow.<\nowiki> [[User:Marshall Williams2]] == Another Problem == <nowiki>I have another problem. My twinkle gadget isn't showing up all the time. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. What's the problem? I fixed the problem about the signatures! I all had to do was go to my preferances and deselect raw signautre.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Believers (film)[edit]

I'm at a loss here. What am I doing wrong? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

  • (Late reply as I've been away). What makes you think you're doing anything wrong? That looks to me like a textbook demolition of an unwise AfD nomination. JohnCD (talk) 21:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • (Chuckle) You were on Wiki-break? Since I had not heard back I further involved myself in discussions with the nominator and other editors about the "boilerplate" nominations. And yes... it became a successful improvement of and defense of an article. As it turns, the nomination was made in good faith. The nominator later learned that his methods were at odds to procedure and has since improved. He had the unfortunate circumstance of being a successful professional in the real world and a total newbie at Wiki. He bumped heads big time with an impatient but well-seasoned Wiki veteran with some of his earler edit attempts and so his subsequent attempts to edit became slightly contentious because of an example he was emulating. Situation much better now. And thanks for getting back to me. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Help again[edit]

Hello again. I'm having a problem on my user page. The last sentence so far- I can't make the name of the hyperlink show up. How do you do it? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Stefan Roberts[edit]

Hi User:JohnCD, long time, no see. I hope you enjoyed your break!

Just a quick note that our special friend, Stefan Roberts, appears to have closed down his "investment banker" walled garden:

I am keeping on eye on the Roberts-related articles. Maybe he will come back as "Stefan_Roberts_(Superhero)", as you speculated ;-) Or maybe he will try the fake nobility-track again.

Since you are a lot more experienced Wikipedian than I am, could you have a look as well?

Thank you! HagenUK (talk) 17:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

  • The Chateau and Art Gallery sites don't seem to have changed, Stefan is "watch this space" and the Investment Group announces a merger with Wheeler Private Investments (no Ghits - another secretive investment company!) to form Roberts Wheeler & Co., which also has a watch-this-space website here. On past form I wouldn't have expected a new hoax Wikipedia article for some time, because the previous ones have been at long-ish and increasing intervals - Sep 2005, Feb 2006, Feb 2007, July 2008 - but you never know. I don't think there's anything particular to be done except watch these websites and do an occasional WP search for Stefan Roberts, Andrew Roberts and maybe now for Roberts Wheeler. Also worth keeping an eye on CAT:HOAX (which I do anyway for entertainment) in case someone else has spotted an article and tagged it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for restoring my User talk page; much appreciated. Loganberry (Talk) 16:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


October 2008[edit]

Wow. You're back. That was a really long break. I figured out what the problem was- raw signatures were enabled. Look at my user page and tell met what you think of it.Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


How do you redirect a page? For example, I want CORA 2 to redirect to Cabela's Off Road Adventure 2. How do I do this?Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


Do you know how to make a bot?Marshall T. Williams (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

  • No. But see WP:BOT. (Generally, if you want to know about anything in Wikipedia, say OOGLEs, it's worth trying WP:OOGLE). Why are you still enclosing your messages in "nowiki" brackets? There's no point to it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


How do you award barnstars?Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


From now on, please answer questions on MY talk page. Thank you.Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Java Script[edit]

Is it possible to make a Javascript window pop up on my user page or anywhere else on Wikipedia by using just this edit? I think you know what I am talking about.Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

If you are going to send me a warning about me cursing you out[edit]

At least have the dignity to say "Curse at me again and I'll block you" instead of saying "please do not attack this editor" in a third-person fashion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

  • There are too many vandals to spend time writing individual messages - the warning templates save time. And your first message left any ideas of "dignity" far behind. Wikipedia will only work if people get on together and learn to be reasonably civil to each other - that's why personal attacks get a sharp response. JohnCD (talk) 20:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Page move[edit]

I moved /User talk:JohnCD/Archive 3 to its appropriate place at User talk:JohnCD/Archive 3. I also removed the G7 template from the article, as i expect you placed it because it ended up in the wrong place. Also, remember to check if any links need updating! Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 20:25, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I got in a muddle creating it and was just starting again when I found you had thoughtfully moved it for me. I should have thought of that myself. Thanks! JohnCD (talk) 20:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)


Dear John, thanks for reverting vandalism. The page Bloomery was badly hurt! Have a nice day! AdjustShift (talk) 21:09, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

  • No problem. I noticed the vandal had made three edits and you had only reverted the last one. If you are going to be doing much anti-vandal work, I suggest you apply for Rollback, a useful tool which in those circumstances lets you revert a number of consecutive entries by the same vandal with a single click. You have to use it with care, but it saves a lot of time. REgards, JohnCD (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 21:40, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Chris Kanik[edit]

Not sure why - but JohnCD and Cornellrockey have decided to gang up on Chris Kanik's wiki page. Not sure what the problem seems to be. Everything is cited and referenced. Please be specific with what the issue is. Every achievement of his can be tracked back to a wesbite - and he is listed on the Cornell alum directory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:49, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

  • (Replied on his talk page. JohnCD (talk) 09:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC))
    • Want me to start the AfD process? cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 11:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
      • If you like - I thought of giving it a few days to see if he could improve it. JohnCD (talk) 11:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of "Gunston Jolly Rodgers"[edit]

John, I happen to know this dog. He has appeared numerous amount of times in the papers and even in movies. I dont think you should consider deleting this article becuase this dog is a great movie star too. He has also got got lost and appeared in the newspapers. This dog is known to be famous.

  • Lots of people get famous by being in the papers, but that doesn't make them suitable subjects for an article in an encyclopedia, which is what WIkipedia is. Gunston's adventures are not "of significant lasting and historical interest and impact." You can express your opinion at the deletion debate here. JohnCD (talk) 14:07, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


It seems to be working for me. The talk page says "A unified account seems to fix the problem. I went to Special:MergeAccount and after I could get in Huggle". Try going to Special:MergeAccount. If you can unify your account, based on the discussion on the talk page, it should work. Bart133 t c @ How's my driving? 15:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


See Wikipedia:Changing_username/SUL#J.C.Deelman_.E2.86.92_JohnCD and note I left there. IF this is already done, do you know who did it? I can't find it in the logs. RlevseTalk 00:32, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

  • No, it hasn't already been done, and the request is not from me: I have been using "JohnCD" for a couple of years and have no plans to change it. I've left him a message: his existing account is J. C. Deelman (talk · contribs), with spaces between the initials, which is why nothing showed up for user:J.C.Deelman. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 07:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Image problem[edit]

I have a problem with one of my images- Pspeed.jpg. Please go to the edit page for my user page to see why its having problems. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Fix[edit]

The picture wasn't fixed, so I got rid of it. I'm on a break right now and will back in a few days. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Morris Media[edit]

I would like to know why you repeatedly delete the page for Morris Media. We are a small publisher of 3 award winning magazines. D-Magazine has an entry, as does Random House, both publishers who make money. I feel that we are being unfairly singled out. Have gone and looked at the quality of the content on our web sites?

Lee Bodkin Managing Web Editor, Morris MediaMorris Media (talk) 17:59, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory or a vehicle for any kind of promotion. It does not set out to have articles about every band, company, singer, film... that exists. Articles have to be of enough general interest for an encyclopedia article: the Wikipedia term for that is notability, and the requirements are explained in the guideline on Notability and in more detail in Notability (organizations and companies).
"Random House" gets over 19,000,000 hits on Google, while "Morris Media" gets under 7,000, and many of those are "Grace Morris, Media Studies" and the like. I don't know about "D Magazine", but I see its article is already flagged as unreferenced and might not survive a challenge; in any case, unsuitable articles do slip through the net and What about X? is not a good argument for inclusion.
Also, since it is a key policy that articles must be written from a neutral point of view, people are strongly discouraged from writing about themselves or their own companies, because of the conflict of interest involved. Under the username policy, even a username such as yours is regarded as problematic, as indicating a promotional intent.
For more advice, read carefully the Business' FAQ, in particular the sections headed:
Finally, although Wikipedia is not a business listing directory, Wikicompany is, and would be happy to accept your listing.
Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


The stupid picture I took ain't showin' up, About98.JPG. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Why you ignorantly described reference to OEIS and Neil Sloane as nonsense ?[edit]

OEIS is managed/edited by renowned scientist - Neal Sloane, therefore OEIS reference is a Reliable Source ! Apovolot (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC).

  • I did not describe it as nonsense - that was another editor. Look at the signature at the end of the comment. JohnCD (talk) 20:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Misuse of minor tag and incivility[edit]

Reverting valid, substantial edits is not "minor", and it's quite dishonest to mark such an edit with the "minor edit" tag. Furthermore, threatening to have someone blocked for making edits is wildly uncivil.Heqwm2 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Your edit removed material from the article with no explanatory edit summary. That looked to me like vandalism, and I reverted it with the Rollback tool, which marks all its edits as "minor". Then I looked at your talk page and saw that a few minutes earlier you had been given a level 2 vandalism warning, so I issued the standard level 3 warning, which you have seen before: this is advice to change your conduct if you do not want to be blocked, and is helpful, not uncivil - unlike your reply "You're an ass." JohnCD (talk) 11:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Simply stating that one should refrain from editing is neither helpful nor civil.Heqwm2 (talk) 19:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


I have come back from Gatlinberg.

On the Kevin Mccurley article, (I may have spelled this wrong), and I would like you to make a hyperlink for

Every time I make a hyperlink, it only shows the number and not the name of where the hyperlink connects to. How do I make a hyperlink so that it shows the website and not a number. Also, can you tell me how to do references? And lastly, how do you request page protection for the black lock? (This lock is a page proctection for articles about companies so that admins shouldn't edit them).

Are you an admin? Also, you said my picutre of About98.JPG was blurry and out of focus- I can't help this because I'm taking it from a computer screen and that's how it shows up. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Picture Gallery[edit]

What is a picture gallery? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 00:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


Would it be against the rules of Wikipedia to say that I have copyright on an image evevn if I really don't? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, it would - it could get Wikipedia into serious legal trouble, and it could get you blocked. JohnCD (talk) 15:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah ha![edit]

Ah ha! I knew you were from Britan! By the way, I have new images on my user page. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 15:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


I think you misunderstood partially- what if I said one of my pictures were copyright even though they weren't? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


I don't understand about the screenshot images- why can't I display them on my user page? Can you only display them on articles? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't Touch This[edit]

Would I get in trouble for this hyperlink on my user page? I'll tell you more about the website later. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


"Hoax.Javascript.Whater"- it won't destroy your computer, in case you are wondering. You can only get a virus from the WWW only from downloading something. I don't know if you went this far, but on Digicrime, there's a link that says: "By the way, don't touch this." After you do this, it will lead you to another page, saying stuff like: "If you have this, don't touch this." And so on. If you click on the one with Javascript, you'll get quite a scare after a few minutes of touching it because of a scary sound, but nothing has happened to your computer.

What can I put in in file links?

I may not be able to respond to you tonight, as I might go shoe shopping.

With Wikilove, Marshall T. Williams (talk) 19:40, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Artilce Chaos![edit]

The article h is under chaos! Marshall T. Williams (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Award for you[edit]

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
This is for your seeminglessly neverending kindess to me. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:46, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

What the bloody hell was wrong with my edit to Norfolk Island. Roy Edwards was my great great great grandather and I have his diary. I can assure you that information was correct. You are stopping important information reaching the people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:12, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you look at my document, and advise?[edit]

Could you look at THIS and advise if I am preparing it correctly, as I have never done such before. Thank you. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 17:32, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Out of time tonight, sorry (I live in UTC+1) - reply tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 21:33, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
    • At your convenience. There are too many suspicious circumstances about how the article first survived an AfD as notable, and then over the course of the nest few months had all assertions of notability removed, sources removed, and then content removed. It was a whole lot better of an article last January, but someone wants it the hell off of Wiki, and has created ways to ignore consensus, WP:TEMP and WP:ATD. Since it appears no one is looking at the tempestuous histories (or maybe because they are), I expect a DRVG to be an uphill battle. But hell, right is right. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:36, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
      • Wow..!!! I brought you together on a consensus (chuckle)!??!!. Seriously, I understand and agree... and that's why I was asking from input from editor's whose paths I have crossed at AfDs. Thank you. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

What the heck?[edit]

What the heck? My pictures aren't showing up on my user page! I'm so mad! I'm asking you to go there to investigate. Also, I recieved a message that one of pictures are going to be deleted and I know that it shouldn't! Marshall T. Williams (talk) 19:34, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Re: Deletion of Breeze Litter System entry[edit]

This was my first attempt at uploading an entry, and I honestly don't understand the deletion. My girlfriend uses this system with her cats, and it woorks great, and after I checked it out, I couldn't find anything like it in the Western market. I included links to message boards, reviews, and press releases I found on the web. I know this is a commercial product, but so is JA Henckels, and their entry looks like it was designed by an ad agency. Many other manufacturers and products have extensive entries on wikipedia.

Was this just too lean? I was hoping others would pick up and add to it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmsackett (talkcontribs) 20:04, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

  • The reason why I tagged it for deletion was not that it was short, but that it read like an advertisement, and Wikipedia articles must be written from a neutral point of view and not in a promotional manner. The admin who actually deleted it agreed, and I see an earlier version was tagged for the same reason. There is also the question of whether the subject is of enough general interest for an article in an encyclopedia - the Wikipedia term for that is notable and the guideline is at WP:Notability and links from there. The principal test is, has the topic received "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". If you can write the article in a neutral, factual tone and provide independent references, try it again; but read those guidelines to see what sort of sources count as reliable - for instance, blogs generally don't. As far as J A Henckels goes, it lacks independent sources and I have tagged it accordingly, but I suspect it may be more notable in the sense above than your litter system. In any case, the presence of some doubtful articles is not a reason for admitting more - see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: Images[edit]

Oh, well. I'll just retake those pictures and actually put them on an article. So, how come the picture of my dishwasher basket didn't get removed?

What exactly can I put in file links?


Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Image Limits[edit]

So what is the limit as to what images I can put on my user page? Suggestion: I would suggest answering people's questions on their own discussion pages, (I'm sorry,) because a lot of people don't check back on where they put a question. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Videos, etc.[edit]

How do I upload a video to Wikipedia? Also, how do I upload a audio file to Wikipedia? When I say audio file, I mean Music sample: "Radio Free Europe"

Sample of "Radio Free Europe". Originally released as the band's debut single on Hib-Tone in 1981, the song was re-recorded for R.E.M.'s debut album Murmur in 1983. Problems listening to the file? See media help.R.E.M. recorded the Chronic Town EP with Mitch Easter in October 1981, and planned to release it on a new indie label named Dasht Hopes.[11] However, I.R.S. Records acquired a demo of the band's first recording session with Easter that had been circulating for months.[12] The band turned down the advances of major label RCA Records in favor of I.R.S., with whom they signed a contract in May 1982. I.R.S. released Chronic Town that August as its first American release.[13] A positive review of the EP by NME praised the songs' auras of mystery, and concluded, "R.E.M. ring true, and it's great to hear something as unforced and cunning as this."[14]

If this doesn't show up, I'll do it again. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Audio Files[edit]

Well, that didn't show up. sound file. I mean one of those blue things that have that classic playing arrow on it. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Noteworthy Composer[edit]

The article Noteworthy Composer is under chaos. I am asking you to delete it immediately. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


Are there specific limits on video and audio files? Am I allowed to record something from the television? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 14:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Click here: How did that happen?. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 14:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Note from Alexander R. Povolotsky[edit]

Dear John, By the way, you might be interested to read the info below. Regards, Alex Forwarded message ---------- From: David Stodolsky Date: Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:06 AM Subject: Re: Online Scientific Publications To: apovolot@

The criteria for any document to be considered a scientific publication is peer review. This criterion is met by the OEIS, however, without publication also in an archivable format, it might not be regarded as such by many and there is the risk that the database would go off-line making it impossible to verify a contribution. Those contributions appearing in the books, however, would escape these considerations. dss On 19 Oct 2008, at 05:03, Alexander R. Povolotsky wrote: > Dear Doctor Stodolsky, > What is the criteria for the Information posted online be considered as official > scientific publication ? > For example please consider > OEIS (The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences) posted at > ... David Stodolsky, PhD Institute for Social Informatics Tornskadestien 2, st. th., DK-2400 Copenhagen NV, Denmark Apovolot (talk) 16:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

User Boxes[edit]

How do I line up my user boxes? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Lined up[edit]

Are my userboxes lined up now? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 19:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


How can I change the userboxes on userboxes? Because some of them need minor edits? And are the userboxes on my user page lined up now? And this is kind of a long question... lets say that I edited a article and somebody thought it was vandelism. They give me a vandleism warning or whatever. What if I really didn't vandelize it? And my question is: Would it be possible to remove that warning, caution, etc. from my usr account? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 22:13, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Chat Room[edit]

Can you provide the hyperlink to the Wikpedia's chat room? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Chat Room[edit]

Do you know how to open irc channels on here with Firefox? Because when I try to open them, Firefox says that it doesn't know how to open it because it can't recognize the protocal: IRC. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 12:15, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


That was weird. I had to wait a few days for the userboxes to line up. Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Dentally Disturbed[edit]

Watched the film. Hilarious. No wonder it won so many awards and several liscensing deals. Take a look at the article now.... as I have made a few tweaks. I think it does have notability, and I was able to show it. Thanks for asking. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 17:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I have removed the tag. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:31, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


How long will it be until my new tools in my monobook file start showing up? My monobook file. Take a look at it. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)


Everything is fine now. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello John We will be re-writing the article about Fashion Wire Press Best Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uneeked (talkcontribs) 21:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


How do you make a discussion page for an IP? Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:06, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Notability of Baird Jones[edit]

"If you question the Notability of Baird Jones, you must be intellectually lacking and socially non-existent." Aristedes Philip DuVal (a longtime colleague in NYC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Please visit for immediate verification of the Notability of Baird Jones!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:50, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Gosh, that took me back into the archives. The whole discussion, in March, with User:Asingleton-green is here, if you want to read it all (you will have to click "show" at the right-hand end of the blue bar). But the relevant extracts from what I said are:
"The article you put in was deleted, not because we assumed its subject was not notable, but because the article didn't indicate his notability... From the link you now present, it seems that references to establish Baird Jones's notability are available, so that an acceptable article about him could be written. Fine - go ahead and write it... If you want to re-create the article, my advice is: read carefully the guidelines on Notability, Notability (people), Verifiability and Reliable Sources. The guide to writing Your_first_article is helpful, too. Do any necessary googling to find references. Write your article again, and don't actually put it in until it is complete, including references...
"I hope that as a result of all this you will rewrite the article with sources and we will end up with a good article on Baird Jones."
The final reply was "Thank you. I will try to follow your advice."
The message is still the same: if he's notable, and you would like an article about him, register an account for yourself, read the guidelines above, and write one. If you write the article but don't want to register an account, you can submit it at WP:Articles for creation; or if you just want to submit the name and hope that someone else is interested enough to do the work, you can post it at WP:Requested articles.
JohnCD (talk) 22:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

in reference to my person attack[edit]

how can it be deemed to be a personal attack when i am the person it's about? it can't be deamed as slander or liable if i claim it's true.

Robert Duracell Gray —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robduracellgray (talkcontribs) 14:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For dealing with an upset subject in a very calm and thoughtful manner. Excellent job! Shell babelfish 04:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Dianne Wilkerson edits[edit]

The writer, Hardnfast, is commiting libel against State Senator Wilkerson, and has added to her biography in an effort to discredit the Senator. The writer, Hardnfast, is a known quantity in Boston, a "kook," and should not be contributing to that page.

  • That's no reason for you to vandalise his user page. JohnCD (talk) 12:13, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Thanks for fixing my user page. Note, any edits I made to that page have included appropriate references. Everything added is coming from coverage in the Boston Herald and Boston Globe. Hardnfast (talk) 13:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Message from[edit]

Just letting you know this is a school, I didn't edit that article, but there's obviously a lot of people here that could, banning this IP wouldn't be a bad idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:13, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks - I have put an appropriate header on the talk page. We prefer not to block school IPs unless it's necessary but if vandalism builds up, we will. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

November 2008[edit]

Wikipedia's Expert Peer Review process (or lack of such)for Science related articles[edit]

Hi - I posted the section with the same name on my talk page. Could you take part in discussion ?

User: Shotwell suggested (on my talk page) "I would endorse a WP:EXPERTADVICE page that outlined the wikipedia policies and goals for researchers in a way that enticed them to edit here in an appropriate fashion. Perhaps a well-maintained list of expert editors with institutional affiliation would facilitate this sort of highly informal review process. I don't think anyone would object to a well-maintained list of highly-qualified researchers with institutional affiliation (but then again, everyone seems to object to something)."

We could start with that if you would agree ... - could you help to push his idea through Wikipedia bureaucracy ? Cheers, Apovolot (talk) 16:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I will look at it and comment on your talk page within a day or two. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiThanks :D[edit]


Thank you
for reverting the vandalism on my page.

Thanks for your time, however quick and easy it may be wit da rollback. ;) —La Pianista (TCS) 20:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

  • No problem, just one click. I see he's on a week's vacation now. JohnCD (talk) 21:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


What about They seem to be of interest?

EG —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

  • What's your question? Hamfatter seem to have enough independent references. JohnCD (talk) 18:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


John, this picture is of MYSELF. So I reckon I have a right to delete my own picture. No? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

  • That's a tricky one. One problem is, we don't like people editing their own articles because of the conflict of interest. Another is, how do we know it's you? But Wikipedia is very concerned to get biographies of living persons right: the best advice for someone concerned about his own article is at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Larry Joe Doherty lock[edit]

I need some help. Someone keeps removing sourced items from the Larry Joe Doherty page for no reason. They have almost no other wiki history and seem to be a campaign staffer. One of the IP addresses was for Herndon, VA - the home of many DC area campaign workers. How can we lock this page until after the election is over tomorrow? Thanks. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

  • You can apply for page protection at WP:RFPP. JohnCD (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Thanks for your help. I hope it works. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

We're getting more vandalism from Tx10 and a new anon user to the Larry Joe Doherty page. They are just blanking out sections completely for no reason. How can we stop this at least through election day (today)? It seems like the work of a campaign staffer. Thanks. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 11:11, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Winter in America[edit]

My fault. How do I nominate the article for A-class?

Dan56 (talk) 18:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't know much about that - WP:ASSESS looks like the place to start. JohnCD (talk) 18:14, 4 November 2008 (UTC)


Is it possible to do a whois on a Wikipedia user? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:01, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

WP- Donate[edit]

Can I send plain cash through the mail to donate to Wikipedia instead of sending a check? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:15, 5 November 2008 (UTC)


I think I should have my mother write a check since I don't have a checking account. But will it be considered disrespectufl to only give $3.00? And my mother says its not very safe to send plain cash through the mail. $3.00 is all I can afford. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Calm down[edit]


Hey man im a 16 year old boy genius you dont back talk joe desrosiers or change his edits. I will severely punish you if this happens again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:57, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

lister / bessant[edit]

Hi John, I undid 4 instances of vandalism by User talk:Baaryiscool06, but didn't know how to tag his user page or flag it to an admin. The a few minutes later you did it. Brilliant, but... How did you know? Are you able to watch reverts? Will he now be flagged to admins? Thanks Autodidactyl (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Quick answer: have a look at WP:Vandalism. Longer answer in an hour or two. JohnCD (talk) 19:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Autodidactyl (talk) 20:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Many Thanks. I have now read and bookmarked WP Vand. Thanks for the long note, It proved how much of WP Van I had understood. Autodidactyl (talk) 21:30, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Image problem[edit]

I tried to put "Image:ChurchB.JPG" on church building as the very third image on there, but all it displayed after I saved it was |left|(something else)| in red. Could you try to insert it for me? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi, can you take a look at User talk:Yibbledibibble, I think the last 2 edits are clever hoaxes / vandalism, and the redirect page needs deletion. Regards Autodidactyl (talk) 10:26, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I don't think those are vandalism - the Taung Child entry is not very well written and not in an encyclopedic tone, and some of its assertions are not backed up by the sources, but I think it was a good-faith attempt to improve the article. The "Math doesn't suck" book certainly doesn't deserve an article on its own, but from the author's article it does exist, and a redirect to the "books" section of the author's article seems reasonable - redirects are cheap. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Tx10 is back[edit]

Can you please block Tx10? He's back blanking info on the Larry Joe Doherty page again. Thanks. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 21:18, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I'm not an admin, I can't block him, but I have reported him to AIV. JohnCD (talk) 22:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
    • Tx10 is back at it again on the Larry Joe Doherty page despite being blocked at one point. He doesn't want to edit according to the wiki rules and just deletes stuff he doesn't like. OddibeKerfeld (talk) 13:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
  • I reported to WP:AIV but the response was "Insufficient recent activity to justify a block, but worth keeping an eye on. Last edit was 18 hours ago." If he does it again you can report him yourself - this diff shows the format and the sort of report to make at WP:AIV - update the link or just say "he's doing it again." JohnCD (talk) 15:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


Hmmm. I've only found 2 hoaxes, or at least the only 2 I have recognised as such, in months!!! I usually poke my nose around either uncategorised pages or dead-end pages where the articles are sent there by bot. Happy hunting! --Richhoncho (talk) 17:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Minor Edit Problem[edit]

In war dialing, I capitalized the d in demon and the d in dialing. Now that hyperlink doesn't go anywhere and the article does exist. Can you fix it? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:12, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Demon Dialing[edit]

Yeah, that is pretty weird. I'll make a redirect later. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

your mesage[edit]

Je suis désolé, la chose est ce " ; l'histoire de Jason" ; est de plusieurs manières une histoire plus belle dans le Français que ce pourrait être en anglais - mais moi n'ayez pas recours à écrire couramment dans une langue anglaise - lui s'agite et remue sur mon palais. Tristement mon français est vu seulement comme poids sur les épaules du wikipedia français. Je t'envoie des nouvelles joyeuses. Cahiers du jason (talk) 15:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Disamugation Page, etc.[edit]

How do I create an diamugation page? And what happens when I press rollback(VANDAL)? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)


Are there any Wikipedia or Wikimedia things that I can buy, for example, a golf ball? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:39, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


I do not understand

. I already tried the Wikipedia help pages for this, but it didn't help. Where do I import a reflist from and how do I do it? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Manfred Baerns[edit]

Hi John

Could yo please check whether the additional references satisfy your request. I should mention that the books mentioned have appeared with well-recognized science publishers and have, of course, peer reviewed.

Regards Manfred M.Baerns (talk) 14:38, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

  • I'll have a look and reply on your talk page, but it may be two or three days before I have time. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Foerster's syndrome[edit]

OK, it just sounded funny. Sort of like the cannibals eating the clown, and one asked, "Does this taste funny to you?" :-) Bearian (talk) 19:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Take a second look[edit]

I removed an unsupported bit of nonsense from Babylon. Seedless Maple (talk) 10:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Unsupported, yes, and so tagged, but that doesn't mean the article is improved by removing it. On what basis do you call it "nonsense"? And what is your authority for adding that the Code of Hammurabi had a profound influence on "the rest of human history"? JohnCD (talk) 10:45, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Kris Crawford[edit]

Why Did You Delete my Kris Crawford Page? It Was Quality Bud!


Wow. I can't believe you were able to find that. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)


Is it possible to undo a CSD propasl? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 13:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)


WTF? Instead of discussion, it says talk! And instead of the "new section", its showing "edit +"! What's going on? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

  • What are you talking abou? JohnCD (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

new page[edit]

Ok thank you John --Gropius T (talk) 15:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Clarification, Watchlist[edit]

Clarification: On the top of any article/user page, for the talk page, instead of having the tab "New section" it now says "edit +", you know, the old way Wikipedia used to be. And I'd rather you not answer on this talk page, because I never use my watchlist. But I do know a way you can answer on your talk page without me knowing unless I look at my watch list: go to my discussion page, and ask Toddst1 how to do this thing where when you answer on your talk page, it will automatically tell me on my talk page if I have "new messages" (new messages meaning you've answered my question on your talk page). And that box that says I have new messages- I don't think you have to acutally put that on there- I think it will put that "you have new messages" box on my talk page automatically. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 18:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

  • It still says "New section" on mine. I think it must be something about your settings rather than WP as a whole. Under "My preferences/Gadgets", at the bottom of the section "User interface gadgets", there is a check-box for "Change the 'new section' tab text to instead display the much narrower '+'." If that has got checked, you could try unchecking it. OK, I'll use a {{talkback}} tag in future to tell you when I have answered you here. You can delete them from your talk page once you've seen the reply. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Is it the browser?[edit]

Is it the browser (Firefox)? Because I did everything you said, but its still that same old, "same old." --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

  • No, I use Firefox too, and I don't think anything in the browser would make that change. I think it must be something in your settings, but if it's not what I suggested I'm afraid I've got no other ideas. JohnCD (talk) 19:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)


All I have to say now is ^_^. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

We R One[edit]

Thanks for the warning, I'll switch it to an A7 (Band) instead. :) Thor Malmjursson (talk) 22:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Well I will think on it, I'll knock the CSD now and see what I can come up with. Thor Malmjursson (talk) 23:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

re report to WP:AIV regarding childs identifying userpage[edit]

No matter if it was the right venue or not, I have deleted the individuals userpage and advised them of the situation on their talkpage. Thanks for your attention in this matter. LessHeard vanU (talk) 15:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  • It was by a fingerslip that I put it on AIV - I meant it for AN/I, and did post it there immediately after, and Avi responded that he has requested oversight, so it's all tidied up. Thanks for prompt action. JohnCD (talk) 15:26, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Colored Titles? WTF!?![edit]

WTF?!? Titles are now colored! How do I make them appear black again? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 23:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

  • If your display changes, the first thing to ask yourself is, have you (or has someone) changed anything in your settings? Under "My preferences/Gadgets", sixth item in "User interface gadgets" is "Display an assessment of an article's quality as part of the page header for each article." If you have that checked, the article title will be coloured according to the article's status, from blue for a Featured Article down to red for a stub, as shown here. If you don't like that effect, uncheck the box. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: Who killed 2pac[edit]

Re your messages: No worries. The AfD got closed early and speedy deleted. Kind of out of normal practice, but I don't think anybody is going to miss the "article". -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:16, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi, I made that change, and it is true. if you research it properly, you will find out McEwan Invented it. I am curretly studing the Enduring Love for my A levels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

  • Ian McEwan provided a vivid description of a case, but he did not invent the term. The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives "Middle 19th century" for the first use of the word, and the article itself cites earlier references than "Enduring Love". JohnCD (talk) 16:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Rev David Thom[edit]


re notability issues - updated page detail —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djt1812 (talkcontribs) 18:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

  • (replied on his talk page)

The Monarchy Falls[edit]

Regarding The Monarchy Falls page, why would you delete that? What are you the king of Wikipedia!!! I will post what I want to post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott6123 (talkcontribs) 19:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

  • (replied on his talk page)

December 2008[edit]

Millard Brunton[edit]

How did I spot it? Pure chance. I was trying to keep Special:NewPages under control and noticed the article. The inconsistency of the dates ticked something, as did the photo, given it was uploaded by the same person and didn't match the description. The mismatch of the linked bio to the name fired me off 'tho, even if this was explained away in the article text. That and this being their first contribution...

Basically, it just smelled funny. Someone goes to the trouble to make a page, but doesn't get their facts straight? Unlikely. Josh Parris 12:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

could you stop deleting my page about Sam Hale please? I'm to create a web page for IT homework and I just need to print screen what I've created!

Britain's Josef Fritzl[edit]

Plase take another look at the article, and let me know what you think on the AfD page.:) Sticky Parkin 22:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

  • No time tonight, I'll look at it tomorrow. JohnCD (talk) 22:26, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Can't Use Twinkle?[edit]

You have Firefox. Twinkle works on Firefox. Why can't you use it? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 00:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Yes, Twinkle works OK with Firefox but, according to WP:TW, not with the Zonealarm firewall/antivirus which I use. Actually, I'm not bothered because I have the impression it's rather easy to make mistakes with TW, and I'm happy to go a bit slower and (be more likely to) get it right. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Methi na Gota[edit]

I nominated the Methi na Gota article you requested deleted for import into the Wikibooks cookbook. I removed the deletion template so that the site will not be deleted prior to transwikification. If there's anything I've done that you have questions or comments about, please feel free to let me know. Thanks! madkayaker (talk) 17:56, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The Anti-Spam Barnstar[edit]

No spam barnstar.png The Anti-Spam Barnstar
Clearly you deserve it, if for no other reason than this being one hell of a catch. Keep up the great work! Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 18:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
  • Thank you - it wasn't too hard, the username and first article suggested it would be worth turning over some flat stones. JohnCD (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Blink. (band)[edit]

Hi John-

Got a bot message about the entry that i provided for "blink." which is a band from Chicago. I'm confused about the "notability thing". Let's look at "Stink Mitt" for a second, as an example of what's acceptable for an existing entry for wikipedia... I've never heard of them, and i'm willing to bet you haven't either. That's irrelevant, as it's not about whether WE beleive that they exist, or are important, but that someone else deems them as such. I saw no inclusion of references made to them in litereature, ties to anyone famous, or really any sort of information that would suggest to me that they are in any way an active part of the music industry, or culture at large, save as a footnote. Yet, they haven't had anything deleted, and even feature two albums that i'm pretty sure haven't charted anywhere.

And that's fine.


The band that i tried to feature in this ('blink.") has a 4 star review as of now in the january 2009 issue of downbeat (one of the nation's leading jazz magazines), are included in the Thirsty ear label site (Thirsty Ear has been around for 25+years, and has an entry in wikipedia as well), covering all their recordings. They are also in

So who's more notable? I'd say it's the one that has real albums out on a real label that gets real reviews in real magazines. There are references relating to all these factors and i've listed them.

I'm just wondering what would make "stink mitt" that much more of an important article to keep, when this one is on the block for deletion? Is it merely that Stink mitt has a site, where as blink. does not? Is it the use of lycra? What?

Anyways, please let me know what i'm doing wrong here. Thanks

Rob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbeamo (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

  • So far as the other article goes, we all realise that a lot gets in that shouldn't, and under the name WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS there is a principle that says, the presence of some bad articles is not a good reason for allowing another.
However, if you look at your talk page, you will see that before you wrote this I had already had second thoughts, removed the speedy-deletion tag I put on your article, and offered some pointers on where to find advice on improving it. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi John

thank you for your efford


M.Baerns (talk) 18:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: CSD[edit]

January 2009[edit]

Hey John. Your ability to WP:AGF is good, but inaccurate in this instance. The editor was an undisguised WP:SPP who's sole purpose here was to create a vanity promotional article for their website. It's pretty blatant after you've done this awhile. I found this editor while he was repeatedly blanking the page to remove a CSD tag placed (correctly) by another user.

I recognized that the "author defacto requests deletion by blanking" criteria would have technically been more descriptive, but because I've been doing this for awhile I recognized that either version of the page was going to get (correctly) deleted in the next few minutes regardless, pick your poison if you will. I also figured the user would likely just blind revert any outside edits to the article, since that's standard procedure for this type of spammer. This is the way they roll. They create a blatantly promotional username, then a blatantly promotional, non-notable foreign company/product page (usually the same as the username). They make no effort to follow any rules, ignore all requests, and delete any tags in the hope that we'll get bored and go away and it'll get lost in the midst of the other non-new articles so he can then boost his Google rating and make money. We get thousands of these pages every day.

Shortly after you left me a message and changed the CSD rationale, the user did precisely what I knew he would do and deleted the tag. Then you decided to try appeasement and went in with a cleanup tag. Which he promptly deleted.

I've retagged it CSD and listed the spammer for indefblocking on WP:UAA. Regards, Bullzeye (Ring for Service) 11:27, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I left that message because I have several times encountered puzzled newbies who posted an inappropriate or offensive page, read and understood the CSD template it attracted, penitently blanked the page, and were then blasted with vandalism warnings for blanking the offensive material. But you're right, this wasn't one of those, and it has clearly turned out to be an A3. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:23, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The Morrison Agency[edit]

I'm unaware as to why the page I recently posted was tagged for speedy deletion. Upon close comparison with other similar agencies, such as BBDO's page, it seems in line with the same copywriting style of those pages that have been approved previously. Please advise so the proper corrections can be made.


Okay, I'll do that in future. Thanks for the tip. - Kingpin13 (talk) 10:28, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Defending Wikimedia[edit]

Are there any projects on Wikimedia that defend Wikimedia? Because everyone in the U.S.A. says that Wikimedia is wrong because anyone can edit it. If there's not any projects, do you have any evidence for me to defend Wikimedia with? I already have my own, but I need help. --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:37, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't know of any Wikipedia Defence project - you could ask at the Help Desk. I don't actually think we need one - people are entitled to disapprove all they like (in fact there is a fairly comprehensive article Criticism of Wikipedia), and someone who only knew what the idea was might well suppose that it would be over-run by vandals, advertisers, self-advertisers, silly schoolboys replacing articles with "poop", people with an axe to grind, and so on. What is surprising is that, as it has actually turned out, the number of people willing to contribute knowledge and expertise, to watchlist articles, and to do new page patrol and anti-vandal work, is just about enough to keep things generally straight. The real test is, do people find it useful? and there is no doubt they do. I have both Encarta and Encyclopedia Britannica on CD-ROM, but in two years I haven't bothered to mount them on my present computer, because I find WP quite adequate for looking things up. So I think the answer is (a) anyone can edit it is a strength as well as a weakness, and (b) the result is actually, in practice, useful. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi I don't get why my article about Andreas Ranasen got deleted. There are people who are interested in knowing who he is. He worked with a lot celebs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sophilicious (talkcontribs) 23:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

  • (answered on his talk page} JohnCD (talk) 12:51, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


Yeah... that was helpful (not being sarcastic). Are there fliers or things for me to hand out to people about Wikimedia? --Marshall T. Williams (talk) 01:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't know of any. JohnCD (talk) 17:14, 12 January 2009 (UTC)



The website administrator for my brass band in which I am BBb Tuba player, Newport Borough Brass Band, Marjorie Williams, 3rd Cornet, has agreed that I can use the content from the website that I have helped to design.

Benjamin Teague

  • It's not quite as simple as that, because of the nature of the "GNU Free Documentation License" (GFDL) under which Wikipedia is published - the copyright owner has to release it on terms which mean not only that WP can use it, but that anybody else can copy it from WP and use it for any purpose. The copyright warning notice I left on your talk page tells you what you need to do. Please also read Notability (organisations and companies) as it's not obvious to me that your article would pass that test. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:05, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Serial hoaxer[edit]

Hi JohnCD, long time, no see! Congratulations on picking up the latest masterpiece of our serial hoaxer. It seems that your hope that he was turning 16 and “growing out of it” did not materialise ;-) If someone spends that amount of time and effort on his hoaxes, I really start to wonder what is wrong with him. First time – OK: “Can I do it? It will be fun.” Second time … isn't it getting boring? Third time … what do you have to prove, what's new? Well, maybe he will find a girl friend. That would take up some of his obvious ample oversupply of disposable time. On the bright side (since I work for a credit card company), we come across a lot of phishing and similarly fraudulent sites. To his credit, one has to concede that his hoaxes are annoying, but also blissfully innocent in a naïve way. Keep up the good work and happy hunting ;-) HagenUK (talk) 19:42, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

edits to NCTU[edit]

I am a student at NCTU and have been appointed by the school to edit this page. The information you provided is deemed incorrect at the school campus. If you have further questions please leave me your email. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I have no opinion on the data in the article, no special interest in it, and no position of authority in Wikipedia: I reverted your edit because it removed information without any explanation. If you have been "appointed to edit the article on behalf of the school", you should read carefully Wikipedia's policy on Conflict of Interest, and should understand that you, or the school, do not own the article and cannot decide what is in it. If you make changes to it, you should give a brief reason in the edit summary, and should also leave a note on the article's talk page to explain who you are, what your interest is, and what is your source for any information you add. Other Wikipedia policies that you should read include those on Neutral Point of View and Verifiability. Finally, I suggest that conversation with other editors who may be interested in the article would be easier if you register an account for yourself, which is easy and free, and would reduce the chance of your edits being mistaken for vandalism. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry case concerning Korlzor[edit]

You have been helping fight vandalism inflicted by various IP sockpuppets of the blocked User:Korlzor. You may be interested in a sockpuppetry case I have opened here. Best regards. Tennis expert (talk) 10:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

cool kind of guy[edit]

hello friend, how are you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trosso (talkcontribs) 14:46, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Norval Morrisseau[edit]

This site is being used to perpetuatethe notion that there are "fake" Norval Morrisseau paintings being offered for sale to the public. It has been perpruated by these people without any regard for the truth. I offer the truth and since this is a public forum . What these people have posted is false, I refer to legal cases and doucements. The Norval Morrisseau Hertigage Society does not exist and they have never idenitified one "fake" Norval Morrisseau.

  • You can't just unilaterally delete things, as in the edits I reverted. Post on the article's talk page, at Talk:Norval Morrisseau, what changes you want to make and why, and try to reach consensus - that's how we work. If you can't reach agreement, try Dispute Resolution. One tip: when posting on a talk page, it helps to know who said what and when: if you end your post with four tilde characters ~~~~, the system will automatically convert that to a signature of your username plus the time and date, like this: JohnCD (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. It seems 123thehabs doesn't want to talk. Any suggestions on what next? CJLippert (talk) 21:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • Revert, as I see you have, until he posts on the talk page and a discussion can take place there. At a first look it does seem as if the parts he is trying to remove are uncited: I'll try to go back through the history and see who put them in, and invite main contributors to the article to come and join the debate. I may not be able to do that till tomorrow; if you have time before that by all means do. JohnCD (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
For the contributors to the "Fakes and Forgeries" section that I had commented out for now, I have already sent a notice at their talk pages to go to the Talk:Norval Morrisseau#Commenting out a section for now to discuss this matter. No one has yet to discuss the matter there other than a statement 123thehabs posted in the article and I moved it to the talk page while Dawn Bard was in the process of reverting the article. CJLippert (talk) 22:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
  • OK, good. I've just left him a note not to go on deleting but come and talk. JohnCD (talk) 22:16, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Sounds good. Thanks. CJLippert (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Murder in Paradise (The Hardy Boys)[edit]

Thanks for letting me know. I have !voted. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


Irelgion is a real relgion i am a member me and my friends start this relgion and it has about 10 members we just want to spreed the word and let other people become members to our relgion. also if you delete this page i will have to report you about you DISCRIMINATION towards our relgion if youstill hae a proplemjust send me another letter —Preceding unsigned comment added by G3pearson (talkcontribs) 20:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

  • (replied on his talk page pointing him to WP:NFT). JohnCD (talk) 20:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Romanian profanity ?[edit]

The article has a negative impact upon Romania and romanian people. Most of it it's a disgrace, explaining such ugly words. Thats why it must be deleted. Do you think this is moral ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi JohnCD, have a look at this little gem. I guess it is right up your street of hoaxes and the downright ludicrous. Since you are an expert of the deletion process, do you want to take it there?

I am not 100% sure that it is a hoax, but it would definitely fail notability. Even WP:SNOW might apply.

If you are too busy, I will give a go myself ... guess I will have to learn how to do it properly one day ;-)

Take care! HagenUK (talk) 09:11, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't know - there seem to be enough external links to interviews etc. to suggest it's not a hoax, and probably enough for them to claim notability. I think it would probably survive an AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 18:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Adam Donaldson Powell[edit]

Sorry... we got crossed up. --Rrburke(talk) 15:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

  • No problem - it happens! JohnCD (talk) 15:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Nick Brownlee[edit]

Hi John I have added references to Nick Brownlee page. Is this OK? Archie (Archie Crompton (talk) 18:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)).

  • What we've got is his agent, his publisher, and two interviews which have a slight air of having been arranged by the publicity department. Better than nothing, they provide further information for those who want it, but what Notability (people) (see especially the section Creative professionals) is really looking for is independent comment as evidence that he has made an impact and is being talked about by people unconnected with him, his agent and his publisher. Has his book had a any press reviews? Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:54, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi John

If you look at his agent's site, there is a whole section dedicated to favourable press reviews of his book ( . He also appeared on the Simon Mayo Book Panel on BBC Radio Five yesterday (Jan 22)where he was compared to both Carl Hiassen and Ian Fleming. Archie (Archie Crompton (talk) 23:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)).

  • Yes, the reference you have added, with reviews, is just what's wanted. I have tweaked the layout slightly, and it looks OK to me. Mind you, I am not Authority, Wikipedia doesn't work like that; but I agree it doesn't now need the tags I put on. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help. Just a quickie - when I type Nick Brownlee into the search box on Google, his name does not come up (although the page does come up if I type it into the main wikipedia home page). It was there when I first created the page but appears to have disappeared. Is it awaiting the Google crawlers or is there some other reason for its absence? (Archie Crompton (talk) 17:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC))

  • I don't know - Google moves in a mysterious way. Usually it's very fast - not infrequently I see a dodgy-looking new page just come in, look at Google to check the subject, and the WP reference is already indexed. Wait a day or two; if it still doesn't appear you could ask the Help Desk, though I'm not sure there's anything to be done from this end. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Page blanking by author[edit]

No problem, although the page should be redirected to The Underdogs (duo). Pyrrhus16 19:05, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Ok, that's alright then. Pyrrhus16 19:14, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Freedom Direct Holidays Ltd[edit]

Hi John,

I personally have booked with Freedom Direct, and actively tried to find an article on the website for impartial reassurance. Hence why Im creating this page. Please reconsider - especially as travel customers need extra reassurance about travel websites.

  • You have done the right thing with a {{hangon}} tag, and an admin will consider what you say before he decides. But Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business listing directory or Yellow Pages, and to have an article a business, or anything else, needs to be of enough general interest for an encyclopedia article. The Wikipedia term for that is notability, and the agreed criteria are set out in the guidelines Notability and Notability (organizations and companies). Regards, JohnCD (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

hheyyy !![edit]

hey whats up???i have never talked to you before soo i dont know what uu like... tell me what uu like.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:11, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

  • What I don't like is this sort of edit which is vandalism and just makes a mess other people have to clear up. This is a project to build an encyclopedia, not a social networking site. If you're interested in helping build it, look at the Welcome page - if you just want to chat, try Myspace or Facebook. JohnCD (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


What do you mean? OnePL has a website with a scheduled release date! --Noname4Million (talk) 15:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The alledged home page simply states release date is tommorrow, and refers reader back to wikipedia for more info, CIRCULAR LOGIC. It's duck season, and this article is quacking loudly! Wuhwuzdat (talk) 15:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)