User talk:JohnManuel/Archive 1

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Augusto Polo Campos

I've got a question on Augusto Polo Campos article. The article title says Augusto whereas the infobox says Agusto. Will this be correct or is either one of them a typo? Eric Bronder 22:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Coa Peru.jpg

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RE: FALSE vandalism attack.

I do apologize for accidentally, erasing that information i though i had simply taken off the huge biased type sign in big bold letters. However, i do not appreciate you tagging my talk page with a vandalism template, you could of just notified me, and as to going to the extreme (last warning before being blocked?) i hope you think next time you use those templates.  LaNicoya  •TALK• 23:30, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Have some pisco sours! The first thing i enjoyed when i went to Peru in 2005 =).
I acknowledge the fact that deleting such things is frowned upon but in this case i have let myself. Like i previously stated, it was accidental, i was merely deleting the big bold "Remarkable & Famous Peruvians" which was not needed. As a matter of fact, i think the Peruvian list of people of where i got the code to put the flag and arms of Nicaragua on its own list as i had noticed it was on many of the similar pages. I'm not sure if you jumped to conclusions with the whole vandalism thing but before i add those templates to peoples talk pages i check their contributions first. I know many times pride can get the best of us, i know this first hand. You've only been on for a month? You have grasped wikipedia well. I myself have only been on for 3 months but have also a lot to learn.  LaNicoya  •TALK• 02:41, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for the barnstar. Yes, I'm Peruvian and a historian. Nice to meet you BTW. Hope to see you around in Wikipedia, we certainly need as many Peruvians (and people interested in Peru) to improve the hundreds of existing Peru-related articles. See ya, --Victor12 21:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

From User:Jbmurray

Copied over from my userpage: JohnManuel, I wasn't assuming ownership. With the Machado de Assis article, I started to clean it up, then saw that the title was mis-spelled, so applied a redirect. On the page with the correct title, you had made numerous edits, most of which had introduced grammatical and other language errors, and I reverted especially because that's a pretty good page. (NB I don't claim any responsibility for have written it.) But I did suggest you put the picture back up, obviously so long as it satisfies Wikipedia guidelines. I don't regard pointing out that your not a native speaker of English as a "personal attack." Clearly you have much to contribute, and I personally welcome your contributions. I'm just making a friendly suggestion that you be careful before you make changes to the language. If you wanted, you could run changes by me for linguistic advice. I'd be help out that way. Likewise, can I suggest you "stay cool" and avoid personal attacks, as well as being prepared for your contributions to be editing. --Jbmurray 02:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Copied over from my userpage. JohnManuel, don't be silly. There was no vandalism, least of all to the page Joaquin Maria Machado de Assis. --Jbmurray 07:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:Coa Peru.jpg

It seems that there is another image here on wikipedia that is the same coat of arms, is of better quality and of bigger size, and is not of uncertain origin. My suggestion is to just use the new picture instead. —ScouterSig 15:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

HBC Archive Indexerbot

Greetings! I noticed that you have added the HBC Archive Indexerbot opt-in to your talk page, but have not created the specified target page with the permission string (<!-- HBC Archive Indexerbot can blank this -->). For the indexerbot to work properly, you need to create the page you've listed as the target and include that string on it. Please feel free to let me know if you need any help with this, or would like confirmation that you've set it up correctly. —Krellis (Talk) 15:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

(Copied from my talkKrellis (Talk) 20:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)) Thank you so much for alerting me about it, yes definitely, I need your expertise to set it up correctly. John Manuel "-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 19:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I've gone ahead and tweaked the settings, moved your "Archive 4" to "Archive 1" (makes more sense to start at 1 than 4, and starting at 4 would confuse the bot), and, in theory, next time the bot runs it should index your archive at User talk:JohnManuel/index. I'll keep an eye on it and see if anything needs to be tweaked. You can just reply here if you want - I've got your talk page watchlisted, so I'll see the reply. —Krellis (Talk) 20:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey! great! thank you Krellis. But if I would like to give you your barnstar, where should I put it? John Manuel-15:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
You could put it on my talk, and I generally copy from there to my userpage. No barnstar is required, of course, I'm happy to have helped out! :) —Krellis (Talk) 14:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Your query about the Machado page

Copied over from my talk page: FWIW, I think it's clear that your proposed edit (like, incidentally, your previous one) only makes the article worse. But I have neither time nor inclination to argue the point. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 02:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Copied over from my talk page: OK, but quickly...
  1. As I said, I have no problem at all saying that Machado was mulatto. Indeed, that's obvious from the first paragraph of the "Life" section of the article. But I don't know why this needs to be stated in the first sentence of the article itself. For instance, the article on Jorge Amado doesn't open "Jorge Amado de Faria (August 10, 1912 – August 6, 2001) was a white Brazilian writer of the Modernist school."
  2. I don't see much problem with the current wording of the sentences on Machado's reception in North America. Admittedly, it'd be nice to have a source for Bloom's comment, and who really cares what Woody Allen thinks. But Bloom's statement is actually interesting, and your suggested replacement is both vague and ungrammatical.
  3. But I find it difficult to deal with the barrage of text that you produce, often dumped directly on my talk page, for changes that seem to me relatively minor and really don't have much to do with me. I don't see myself as "owner" of the Machado page. But if you wanted to improve it, I'd suggest a much longer discussion of Machado's life and work, probably after reading Schwarz's important book on him. I read a few articles by Schwarz a long while ago, but don't have time to return to them now, so don't see myself doing much to improve the article at present.
  4. If you wanted to work together on improving an article, I'd suggest (knowing that you're Peruvian), say, José María Arguedas (whom I have read a lot more recently), or even Peruvian literature (which is a mess right now), or perhaps just writing stubs for some of the many redlinks at Peruvian literature or at List of Peruvian writers. Once more, Joaquim Maria Machado de Assis is really not a priority for me right now. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 04:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Copied over from my talk page: Oh, and you'll see that I went ahead with some edits to that opening paragraph, including adding appropriate references. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 05:21, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

One of Your Banners

Can you remove the wiki food and drink banner or edit it so it doe not show as an unassessed page. This may seem minor but will help me Zero the page. Thanks -- Warfreak 03:23, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

No, not defamatory, but can you please class user template to be a stub or other type of article such as start so it does not appear on the unassessed page. I am attempting to empty out the category and your banner registers on it. So what I'm asking is to classify the banner, maybe cat? Don't worry, not defamatory or vandalism -- Warfreak 03:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
It is under your username User:JohnManuel/Banners. It is there, I haven't found out how to edit it though, perhaps you can, since you are the user in charge. If you can't leave it, I find a way. Thanks for your time -- Warfreak 03:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep, it works, thanks for your help -- Warfreak 05:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Future collaboration

JohnManuel, I'd be delighted to see expanded and improved articles on Arguedas, Ciro Alegría, José María Eguren, José Santos Chocano, Sologuren, and César Vallejo. AGain, at the moment I don't have time for much more than stubs (as with Javier Heraud). One thing I can help you with is tidying up your English. If you put in real content, I'm happy to help out with copy-editing. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 05:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Copied over from my user page: Grand. I know nothing about Chocano, so would be pleased to learn. --jbmurray (talk|contribs) 05:24, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Elias Mendoza

Hi, thanks for your great note at my talkpage!

In 1973, Dr. Elias Mendoza H. was awarded the Bronze Wolf, the only distinction of the World Organization of the Scout Movement, awarded by the World Scout Committee for exceptional services to world Scouting.

So he must have been someone important in the Asociación de Scouts del Perú. That's as much information as I have, unfortunately. I am glad to see another Japanophile on here! :) You write very nicely, and I thank you for your kindness! Your friend, Chris 21:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia New York Meet-Up

Howdy! Please come to the First Annual New York Wikipedian Central Park Picnic. R.S.V.P. @ Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC
--David Shankbone 19:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Cool - I look forward to meeting you. Wiki-on! --David Shankbone 19:54, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


I am just want to say hello -16:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I just created {{template:PeruNews}} I think thats what you meant --Andersmusician $ 21:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, could you please stop using horizontal lines at the Wikiproject Peru talk page. I only ask because it makes it hard to follow who is talking. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 06:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


Hi, i see the template and see the values, but how to determine the values? What do they mean and how can i determine them for a certain user? Eric Bronder 00:31, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Request 2

Hi I want to suggest you to stick to the point in ongoing discussion at WPPERU, since not doing this make your comments very long and sometimes difficult to understand, thanks --Andersmusician $ 15:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


Perhaps I am being dense, but I don't know how the activity monitor you have created is supposed to work. I put it on my user page and it just sits there glaring at me. Any hints gratefully received. Ben MacDui (Talk) 22:24, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

ScottishWikiActivity Template

Thanks so much, for your interest. It is in the very beginning of its developing so you can make all the suggestions for changing it and participate in its developing. a bot for it would be nice; however, it would take some time, also there is a bot: EditCounter, I think, it is helpful but, not for this job. Therefore: We need to see the contributions. Whereas, there are many ways to understand user activity: for instance and by simple inspection we can proceed in this way: (the long way, manually, for now)

  1. Check the user talk page activity by accessing the page and see if this page has any summaries dated, in the last three months
  2. Count those activities and collect that information, it is a number lets say == "a"
  3. Check the user contributions you can find one them one his edit and the go to his contributions summaries and check in for the last three months home many summaries the user has, collect the information, basically a number. Let say == "z".
  4. See how many, if any, belong to the WikiProject Scotland or any related discussion, like the maps force task, now you have another number == b then substract these from the total number of contributions "z" such as z − b == c. You now have three numbers now, a, b and c.
  5. Input these numbers to the parameters as explained at the Wikiproject Scotland page to the template, then you are the judge to determine inactivity, which is the fourth parameter of any vector "A" or "strike A". How often? How recent? that kind of questions. I was doing a table of criteria but I have to do something in real life now.
  • An Example of usage:(The values are not reflecting the real numbers of contributions, there are used to illustrate the use of the template)
  • Values for Ben MacDui:
{{ScottishWikiProjectActivity | UserTalk=17 | WikiProject=0 | Mainspace=1 | Activity=<strike>A</strike>}}
  • Values for JohnManuel:
{{ScottishWikiProjectActivity | UserTalk=1 | WikiProject=0 | Mainspace=0 | Activity=<strike>A</strike>}}

tabe showig two results:

Ben MacDui (talk · contribs) JohnManuel (talk · contribs)

You can use these in the newsletter to represent the number of contributions of a particular user, but you need to pre-establish the criteria that you are going to use to measure inactivity or activity/contributions; even so you can quantify, the quality of the contributions and perhaps reward this with a barnstar, so the users will be motivated to make more contributions and with more quality, something like: "The barnstar of WP:SCO is going to User SUCHandSUCH because he has contributed with "100" contributions With an average of "ABC" quality for the month of May '07". But there are other possibilities of usage. Thank you again for your questions, hope I have clarified the use of the template a little better,i.e., you need to change its values manually after an inspection of the user's contributions. Please, I am welcoming any suggestions to improve and modify it. Greetings. John Manuel -16:59, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Where can I find premade userboxes?? I am horrible at code and I don't have the intention span to make them unless I can't find them anywhere else. LOL. ComputerDude1010 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


Check the lyrics here: As for being a libertarian, well my score on a Nolan Chart is here. You can check yours at: Greetings, --Victor12 19:53, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Color Temperature (discussion about Hue article)

So you were editing the article for a while, Where do you think, we can add the temperature of color in it then?, by the way, as a painter I know that the temperature is not independent from its hue (it was explicitly stated in the sentences), but it doesn't mean that is not a color attribute which is, incidentally, what the introduction is discussing at the moment. We can get into bibliography and other sources as/or you can ask those who work with colors not only the computerized or projected ones, if not with pigments, that would be the houses that for centuries in Europe and America have produced the finest hues and shades and tones of them. In oils or watercolors, pastels, temperas, and then acrylics, i.e., Rembrandt oils, Old Holland, Gumbacher and other Companies. Also you might check with realistic artists, those with professional and academic background, and ask them for the attributes of colors. Evenly, Leonardo explain to us the essence of this attribute in many ways, first with his "esfumato" and throughout his manuscripts. I am willing to work on this one with you, whether to discuss it in the intro or in the body of the entry, we want to present temperature in it because is part of how our sense is susceptible to the the amount of hue in a resulting compound color. Also check the way you are uploading files, it is best if you only upload your own work, evenly if you are doing that for friends, it is not right with the license and evenly, if you were taking the time to release others people work under their name, I am asking you to refrain to do just that, other that the persons do not have hands or are handicap in a way that you upload the files in their presence and with the purpose of acting or motivated by empathy or/and charity or as personal favor. the fact remains, you are never sure if that photos were taking by your friends of by other friends of your friends. Believe me, there are a lot of professional photographers that are doing just fine and others amateur photographers that are uploading their own work. As an artist I am very observant about self-made work, it can be derivative but you need to work in it and be the modifier or primary modifier, to be the actor that deserves the right to upload the final production. Don't do it, it is not a good idea, at all. Well, I am sharing this with you and not with all the fellows that instantiate your Harvard campus experience of course. My best regards. ◙JMK◙-"-Todos Llegan de Noche, todos se van de día" 11:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm really not sure what the point of your comment was, or what the hue article has to do with photos of Azerbaijan that my friend asked me to upload for him, or Harvard, etc. In any case, the point of describing "hue" as one of three "attributes of color" (essentially dimensions in some space), including some lightness/brightness measure, and some colorfulness/saturation measure, is not to deny that there are other dependent dimensions along which color can be measured (indeed there are an infinite number of them), but merely to place "hue" within a system in which it is coherent: in this case, one such as HSV, Munsell, etc. Additionally, it isn't at all clear to me that color temperature is particularly special (from a human perceptual perspective) among possible dimensions. In any case, I think it's perfectly reasonable to explain later on in the article that there are other types of systems in which to place colors (and wikipedia in general doesn't explain color models as well as it could; the color models article could use a large-scale rewrite), but that treatment isn't needed, and only distracts, from the introduction.
As for "it is not right with the license," I'm glad you are standing up for the copyrights of my friend, but I'm afraid he is perfectly capable of protecting his own rights. If you like, I can put you in touch with him.
--jacobolus (t) 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
You need to start parsing what you read
Are you really from Harvard? Please, do not copy the same conversation all over again, to my talk page, either answer here or as I prefer at my talk page, I remind you of the 3R rule, WP:NPOV and of WP:OWN. I wrote in your talk page, because you are reverting without consensus my dear fellow, I asked you a question and you didn't answer, so I opted to revert your edition. Now you are communicating, but you are still acting by reverting without consensus, have you check my sources? Look there is nothing wrong to be wrong, it is recursively true. Now, is not the copyright that I worry about, is the copyleft, and not only for your or my friend, but for all of us who enjoy the Wikipedia, that includes yourself too. It seems that you are not understanding how to collaborate in here, and as anyone can read from your page, I am not the only one who thinks it is so; the only thing is that you just do not want to recognize it. So, I would ask you in other way this time: Do you want to collaborate to improve the HUE article? after you answer this question then we will continue, take your time and think. It is fine to disagree, the difficult thing is to work together in spite of disagreement. Remember you don't own the truth evenly about Hues. Greetings. I will wait for your answer. John Manuel-05:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I understand copyleft just fine, and so does my friend. I'm going to respond to discussions of hue at talk:hue, where it belongs. Thanks. I'm not sure why you're seemingly trying to pick a fight, but I'd appreciate it if you'd stop. It's not productive. --jacobolus (t) 05:18, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I will not start headers, but I asked you above not to copy the thread in my talk page, and you did it. Well, where is the Golden rule in here. I would stop for two months, time after which, I will come back to open a sincere dialog with you about color theory and how we can improve the article. My intend is not picking a fight, this is alerting you that as editors we ought to have differences and also to exchange ideas, the fact that we are in disagreement, doesn't mean that we cannot work together, assume good faith. Therefore, I will left both, your talk page and the hue issue, to show that my aim is far from picking a fight or to overpower your views. Have the best experience in real life and in Wikipedia. Sincerely, read you in two months. John Manuel-14:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
No, don't go away for two months. That's also not a useful solution. No one wants for you to go away, or to not contribute ideas, and it's unlikely that there will be any difference in two months (unless you are furious and offended?? but why would you be??). We can indeed work together. But to begin, you need to listen to what Dicklyon and I had to say, and figure out what you really think the hue article needs to discuss that it doesn't currently, and then we can figure out as a group how best to add that, if it is indeed important and sourced. Incidentally, I copy the conversation back to your talk page because otherwise it is hardly a conversation; reading each end would be like listening to one side of a phone conversation. --jacobolus (t) 21:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I going to answer in my talk page for now on so we keep the conversation together and of course after this we are going to the hue talk page. Well, I am in a trip at the moment, enjoying life for awhile; it will take me sometime to get back to my home. In the mean time, I will reinspect my sources on color theory; by the way, I think that all of what you have proposed is very rational and indeed deserved all my respect. I think that finally we are communicating well and we can start to listen and learn from each other. We would work together for the Hue article or any other issues related to it. As we know light and color is a fascinating subject. Thank you. Sincerely, John Manuel-16:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

about your way of editing

Hi, I wonder if you could please not modify comments at the WP:PERU/M or elsewhere, I also want to request you to reduce your signature to a shorter one (also don't change it each day) all this per WP:SIG, hope you hear me.--Andersmusician $ 19:08, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

no, I don't want you to take this personally, it's just that we all should follow policies(including the above ones), and well you did wrote long comments, a little hard to read by some, well fell free to return anyday, cheers --Andersmusician VOTE 02:29, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

1.0 Review Team

Hi John, thanks for signing up for the review team. We released our first CD in April, which received a surprising amount of press coverage - this indicates that there is a lot of interest in what we're doing. Please help to make the next release even better! Let me know if you need some guidance, and be sure to take a look at the FAQ page and get started. Thanks, Walkerma 19:48, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


hi, so..., weren't you leaving?--Andersmusician VOTE 17:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it

Victor12, my idea is not to cause you any trouble but this is very serious matter, put attention., I need to know some information from you: What do you think about this statement? ..."Jaja, uds los catolicos me dan risa, apestan". Are you supporting or encouraging this kind of behavior, This was wrote in this English Version of Wikipedia other things are done as well in here and in other versions. Please, respond as soon as you can. Thank you. John Manuel-18:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific about your problem please? --Victor12 18:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

This is simple: do you support or not this statement: "Jaja, uds los catolicos me dan risa, apestan" or you would write it in here in Wikipedia, for whatever reason or encourage somebody to write it for you or befriending somebody that hold these views. This is a question, please explain your moral position. This statement has been written and it is documented. I need to know your documented position about these misbehaviors. John Manuel-18:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't have to answer anything I don't want to and I don't want to answer anything the purpose of which I know nothing about. Greetings, --Victor12 18:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean you not have an answer? Would you be OK then with any offense written in this noble project? I have asked you a direct and simple question, by no answering it or presenting problems to answer such strait question, you are indicating that you have difficulties to declare your position on this simple but moral subject. you have all the rights for be the way you are Victor12 and you deserve respect for your opinions, well if they were not harming anyone or anything altogether, but for now your position is understood as: You don't have an answer and even if you would have one you do not want to answer it. It is fine, be this documented in here for further analysis and please be in peace with your conscience then, best regards. John Manuel-18:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Copy the answers from Victor12 (talk · contribs) for further analysis. JohnManuel-19:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Please provide a diff of the comment and I will take care of it. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 20:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
From what I see that edit was made back in May 19. I'll talk to anders on his talkpage but you should not expect any further action from that.--Jersey Devil 20:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Also, please stop adding false vandalism tags to Anders talk page. I will remove them myself. If it continues you may be temporarily blocked for violation of WP:DISRUPT. Please read WP:VANDAL in order to see what we define "vandalism" as on Wikipedia. Thank you.--Jersey Devil 20:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


Hi Jersey Devil, hope everything is smooth and easy these days with you. I would like your "take", as an admin, on the following statement that has been posted in this English version of wikipedia and has followed by dubious behaviors thereafter, the statement is: "Jaja, uds los catolicos me dan risa, apestan".[sic] would you support or encourage this kind of behavior? Please, respond as soon as you can. Thank you. John Manuel-19:38, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The diff here

Please, let me know about the corrective actions. Thanks. JohnManuel-20:15, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That statement was done by me in response of some IP that insulted me, JohnManuel is stalking at my contributions, this isnt spanish wikipedia, let him know that, thanks --Andersmusician VOTE 20:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You mean: I shouldn't expect further action from you. The time frame of an offense does not determine its absolution, does it? Imagine, a criminal being able to go away by just saying, yes I committed the crime 10 years or so ago a for such I am innocent. What kind of Rationality is this? Anyway other sysops are more than willing to take care of this issue also. I just wanted to know what kind of actions you would like to take since your closeness with the user, I didn't signify bias by any means in here. Well, now I know better and it is documented. I would remind you this is a very serious matter, especially, in these troubling times, we shouldn't take lightly those statements, of course this is not the only one or the most recent one that stems from this user, there are others. But this evidence, it is enough and deserved an immediate action from you. Do as you know is best, within your moral judgment, which of course you 'shall' live with and necessary you would have graciously let us share it in consensus with other wikipedians. Well, I wish you well and the best for your endeavors in here and in elsewhere, but also in my direct manner I should make a waking call on you by stating that I am not impressed neither surprised by your reactions or decisions over this simple but vicious matter. John Manuel-21:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
ANSWERING YOUR LAST POST: OK you want to take that position, I will accepted it, it is yours. but, all of my warnings I have made are entirely justified, this user has constantly and personally attacked me. My warnings have been, reasonable, few and far in between. I will not warm him anymore, that was my last warming, you can delete it from the page but not from the diffs. I will remind you of WP:PA and WP:Civility, I repeat I am not surprise, this just confirm the story in the other diffs that exist in the Wikiprojects. What we should do now? I propose to cool down a bit, and you need to recognized that we don't need that hatred statements in here, whether somebody insult you, it does not provide you with the power to take the abuse and revenge on a whole group of people, whether catholics, or other. Now, I know that you are not going to see and let alone accept my point of view, but let us not waste more time. I still hope that you will recoiled your impetus and understand, from where I really come from, it is not right, what this user is doing, and needs to be stopped, whether you do it or somebody else will do it, sooner or later will be done. No question about it, now I would ask you to let me alone. I know your views and I assumed good faith, but this kind of interaction just making all this appear beyond the good faith that should reign in here. Still I hope the best in your endeavors and wish you luck in observing the education provided by your alma matter. Friction is good if we handle the pressure of exchanging ideas and balancing differences and what we really is improving by not imposing your personal views and that of your friends. The only friends that I have is justice and freedom, I want both for me but also for everybody on this earth. Now, no more nonsense in here, that loyalty does not mean defending what is indefensible, Jersey Devil you could be losing your own ideals by adopting irrational postures. Please, BE CAREFUL, VERY CAREFUL indeed. John Manuel-21:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Copy from Jersey Devil (talk · contribs) for further analysis and rumination. John Manuel-21:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Reverts on User talk:Andersmusician

If a user removes a vandalism warning, that is viewed as evidence they have read it. The warning is still visible in the page history for admins to view, and you can link to it via a diff. There is no reason to revert the removal of such warnings; the warnings do not need to be visible for admins to accept them. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:39, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem

I have no problems with disagreements or discussions. I was just making a request for the sake of clarity in talk pages. You don't have to follow it if you don't want to. Please don't take it personal. Greetings, --Victor12 14:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


I've got no opinion on the NSW article itself. However, there is a consensus that mention of NSW doesn't belong in the lead paragraphs of the articles in question. There is discussion on the talk pages of several of the new 7 wonders, just go through the list and look at each talk page. IPSOS (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Macchu Picchu

I've put an item on the MP Talk about the photo gallery at Macchu Picchu, to see what other people think. - 16:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Calling other editors vandals

You inappropriately called another editor a vandal in the edit summary of this edit. The edit you reverted was by no stretch of the imagination vandalism, and to all it vandalism violates Wikipedia's no personal attacks rule. Please refrain from such inappropriate characterizations in the future. IPSOS (talk) 02:39, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

The Curious Case of IPSOS (talk · contribs)


IPSOS deleting decent and suggestive comments, it will not prevent the diff. to be seen and call this comment a harrasment!?

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  • Using Wikipedia for advertising is vandalism, Be Careful with WP:PA, Wikipedia is not an advertising agency. Please stop with your POVs, thanks for your interest so. I also I explained to the user the policies behind this warning. I feeling that you want to troll and I am feeling that you want for some reason to initiate a fight or harass me. Refrain from this behavior. It is an advise, trust me on this one. Please you are taking my freedoms and my well-being. I do not need to agree with you neither you with me, but we need to respect each other, don't you see? Be in peace in editing a remain Civil and gentle if you can and if you don't then be prepared to accept the consequences. You still don't wish to do it is fine, but next time, I see your imposing behavior on my page I am going to stop to assume you have any tiny idea of what is good faith, until this moment I think you are acting upon it. Lets see if you understand, again you have repeatedly state you POVs in a way, shape a form that I have perceived it as unnecessarily too aggressive and somehow rude and this is making me belief that you have a hidden agenda for some reason against my person. You can be blocked as a result of your actions therefore lets drop it. Wish you the best in achieving you well intentioned goals. I propose to stop any communication between both of us for at least 15 dias time in which we could come back and see if our views or attitudes will change towards each other an prevent any unnecessary escalation or conflict. Then, I hope we could continue to collaborate in friction perhaps but in Peace. I still think we can do this but if you want to fight, I don't. I come here to enjoy learning and sharing. You seem confused about the policies or in interpreting them, review twice before you decide to edit. I welcome impetus but not abuse. WE won't tolerate it. You will learn this very well in here soon. Thanks. John Manuel-04:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

<< It seems, IPSOS that has problems to respond this question and this is the real issue in here>>

PD WHERE IS THE LINK TO THE CONSENSUS OVER THE NSW please on the MP talk page thanks. This was due for a long time. You want to help. Don't you? I didn't find any. -04:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

<<this is IPSOS' response>>

the Personal attacks of User

This edit summary contains a personal attack:

Information.svg Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. IPSOS (talk) 13:19, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring

Nuvola apps important.svg You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Machu Pichu. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. IPSOS (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Up to now after my explanations, and rumination with this user I have warned, s/he evenly deleted the warnig: calling it troll here here some of this user's actions:

Regarding edits made by IPSOS during July 13 2007

These are against Policies and Personal attacks