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Exact title in opening paragraph[edit]

Hello John, I saw you reverted my change to Jazz (word origin) in order to retain the article's title in its first line. I know in most cases there can and will be an exact copy, but I don't think it is required. There are many examples of opening sentences differing from the multi-word title in order to make them sound fluent, e.g. Execution of Saddam Hussein, Responsibility for the September 11, 2001 attacks, Altamira (cave), and so forth. Nethency 20:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I looked at some examples of articles that include parentheticals in the article name, and the practice seems to be to exclude the parenthetical in the opening sentence. I have revised accordingly, using your language. John M Baker 22:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

An article which you started, or significantly expanded, jazz (word origin), was selected for DYK![edit]

Updated DYK query On January 27, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article jazz (word origin), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 00:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 16 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Yale Book of Quotations, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 00:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Dablink at Scalping (trading)[edit]

Scalping (trading) doesn't need a dablink because all of the links to that page intend that page. Since there's no way a reader will arrive at that page if they're not looking for that page, the dablink is useless. Does that make sense? Ewlyahoocom 06:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

O.K., I've thought about this and don't feel strongly about it. If you delete the dablink, I will not revert this time. John M Baker 13:43, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Jazz (word) & Medbh[edit]

Thanks for reverting the Cassidy spam on this article. Though Medbh is as far as I know a woman's name, it's hard not to suspect that the repeated attempts to promote Cassidy's publications & theories about Gaelic & Irish-Americans are his own handiwork. (Hard to imagine anyone other than Cassidy himself being so persistent, anyway.) As far as I know his work is pure etymological fantasy/wishful thinking that makes reputable linguists & jazz historians cringe. -- I have placed a note on Medbh's talk page & think that if this goes on it should be treated as vandalism or spam. --ND 04:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

And he's currently doing it again, even deleting the legitimate references to replace them with Cassidy's (his?) book. I reverted. John M Baker 16:41, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I've inserted a formal tag on the talk page in accordance with the instructions I found on the Wiki's policy about dispute resolution. I thought that it would be a little too harsh to just declare Medbh's edits spam or vandalism (they're in good faith, it's just that they ride roughshod over the article & introduce dubious claims) so decided that was the way to go. His/her response to my post on his/her talk page is quite remarkable...! -- Sorry to see your hard work in putting the article together jeopardized. --ND 02:00, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, I added a post on his Talk page, since there's no evidence that he reads the article's Talk page. I don't expect it to do much good, since past observation of Cassidy's listserv posts suggests that he pays little attention to the views of others, but I think it's important to proceed in good faith. John M Baker 03:34, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, you got your answer..... though Medbh's inability to format things properly makes it hard to decipher. Mostly seems a bunch of press quotes to me. --ND 21:36, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I see the revert war's started up again & "Medbh" (who seems ever more likely to be Cassidy, judging by the prose style & the fact that the person can't spell "Medbh" correctly--how many people can't spell their own names??) is posting long garbled retorts on the talk page. What's the next step to take if this can't get resolved? I was hoping that Medbh/Medhb's "You win for now" a few days ago would mean a quiet spell. -- I was interested to see that one of Cassidy's colleagues at New College is David Meltzer, coeditor with Steve Dickison of Shuffle Boil, a poetry + jazz mag which is where I first ran across Cassidy's crackpot etymologies some years ago. At the time I simply thought it was some weird poet's hoax or flight of fancy. --ND 03:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to do next; the RFC process doesn't seem to have elicited any more editors into participation. Any ideas? John M Baker 15:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

You damn kid[edit]


thanks for correcting my edit in page "You damn kid". I had no intention of vandalism, I just thought that Hugh Hefner was the intended name of the kid in that particular strip (

Gakrivas 11:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I see that you are Greek, so you may not have been aware that Hugh Hefner is a well-known figure within the United States. And, in any case, I've failed to get the occasional joke myself. John M Baker 20:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

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The Bank Job[edit]

Sorry, I must have missed something! TINYMARK 18:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

ETF Article[edit]

Hi, I think you've done a great job with the ETF article. It was a mess and it's looking much better.

Greg Comlish (talk) 20:52, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Greg, I appreciate the kind words. It still needs work, but I think at this point we're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. John M Baker (talk) 22:16, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Very interesting developments in ETF-Land these days. Probably worth incorporating some reference to them into the ETF article in some way, shape or form. Cf. userX (talk) 19:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

September 23rd 2012

The rebalancing and re-indexing of leveraged ETFs may have considerable costs when markets are volatile.[35][36] The rebalancing problem is that the fund manager incurs trading losses because he needs to buy when the index goes up and sell when the index goes down in order to maintain a fixed leverage ratio.

is not an accurate reflection, and simply states one side of a double edged sword. Adding more after the index goes up will benefit if the index subsequently rises even higher as more exposure to that gain would be apparent (amplifies upside). Reducing after the index declines will benefit if the index subsequently continues further down as you'd have less exposure to that loss than not having rebalanced (attenuates losses).

If there were such drag for a leveraged ETF, then you might reasonably expect to see such a drag also apparent for smaller amounts. Take for instance over the last year BIL (3 month treasury ETF) has more or less moved nowhere (0% gain or loss). A weighting of 50% SSO (2x S&P500), 50% BIL bought and held from a year ago (so more or less just half the amount in the 2x), compared to 100% in SPY indicates very similar tracking. This link shows the total return (including dividends/income) of such a comparison.

Generally half in a 2x leveraged ETF (or a third in a 3x ETF), half in cash (two thirds if a 3x), will compare well (track) with the 100% in the non leveraged underlying. No such rebalance drag that you imply exists. Simply because fundamentally a 2x ETF will borrow a similar amount again as deposited into that ETF in order to buy twice the exposure to the underlying (more usually however that's achieved by using derivatives, but the effects are much the same). If there were a drag effect, you'd expect that half in the 2x would lag. 50% in the 2x, 50% in cash, where the cash earns a similar rate of return as the cost that the ETF incurs to borrow will tend to produce similar overall results to that of 100% in the non leveraged underlying. If little or no drag is evident at that level, then its unreasonable to state that there is a drag.

Any drag effect that might be observed is a consequence of borrowing in order to invest. Borrowing twice as much as what you have in order to buy twice as much stock combined with daily rebalancing, will compound out over time quite differently to not having borrowed to invest, but only invested what funds you actually had. If you buy as much 2x as you would have invested in 1x, you're borrowing to invest - a practice that is generally widely discouraged. If you buy half as much of a 2x as you would have invested in the 1x, deposit the other half in cash (safe/treasury's) then you'll generally achieve similar overall results, especially if you rebalance back to 50-50 equal weightings of 2x and cash periodically (you can however often rebalance just once a year with relatively low overall tracking error).

Many investors who actually utilise leveraged ETF's for mid to longer term holding periods are well aware of the characteristics and will typically use the leveraged ETF's to gain similar reward (loss) to the 1x, but do so by holding less exposure to risk. Instead of perhaps 60% stock, 40% bonds, an investor might hold 20% 3x, 80% bonds, perhaps reviewed and rebalanced once each year. That might provide similar gain (loss) to the 60-40, but has the added benefit that the worse loss is limited to -20% (assuming bonds to be risk-free) during that year.

Shorter term speculators are the ones that are more likely to hold as much in a 2x (or 3x) as they might have bought of the 1x. Borrowing to invest in that manner however is more gambling than investing.

I would suggest that the Leveraged ETF section would be better with just the first paragraph and omit the second and third paragraphs (as I previously edited the article), as the second and third paragraphs are incomplete (add-high/reduce-low implied cost only whilst ignoring the other edge of the sword) or representative of bad practice (targeted more at speculators (borrow to 'invest') rather than investors). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:15, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Private equity task force[edit]

Hi, I wanted to invite you to become a member of the Private Equity WikiProject Task Force. I think this might be a good fit and your contributions would be welcome. This is intended as an inter-project task force to focus on private equity concepts, firms and investors. If you are interested, please visit the Private Equity WikiProject Task Force project page.

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I look forward to working together, if you are interested. Let me know if you have any questions.

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I'm not sure how much time I'll have for the project, but maybe I can help out now and then. John M Baker (talk) 18:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Bank holding company regulators: FRB, OTS[edit]

Do you know a good source or introduction distinguishing the powers and authorities of the various holding company authorities? I'm especially interested in discriminiating between the powers of the Federal Reserve and the Office of Thrift Supervision. What can the Fed undertake in relation to savings banks holding companies that the OTS cannot? I assume if the FED desired, it can use the "we can do what's necessary" law (for example used in the AIG credit facility), but I'm interested in a more routine set of responsibilities and authorities.
-- Yellowdesk (talk) 14:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Nothing comes to mind in terms of a source or introduction, though I guess you could try nosing about their web sites. The OTS has a more limited and conventional portfolio: Its mission is to supervise savings associations and their holding companies. The Fed is both a regulator and the nation's central bank, and its regulatory portfolio is not limited to the entities it primarily supervises (larger state banks and bank holding companies), because it has broader regulatory authority in some areas. These tend to be pretty well defined vis-a-vis the OTS; the Fed can't just go in and start regulating thrifts. Its emergency powers are on the central bank side. John M Baker (talk) 16:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Fed paying interest on banks' deposits[edit]

Hi. I responded to your statement in hopes of learning about its support. GetLinkPrimitiveParams (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies. I'm generally in agreement with your comment on my talk page, but I don't think these issues are insurmountable. Such a blow to the commercial paper, goods, and shipping/transportation sectors will not be seen as evidence that the Fed needed to be deregulated. Commercial paper is one of our bedrock finance industries. Maybe the government can do it more efficiently than the private sector, but that certainly remains to be seen. Halting shipping was really stupid, and will make whomever figures out how to resume shipping real goods look really smart. GetLinkPrimitiveParams (talk) 21:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Friday the 13th[edit]

(There are some factual issues with your edits on this page which should to be addressed.)

The belief that Friday the 13th is a particularly unlucky day is a modern amalgamation of two older superstitions: that thirteen is an unlucky number and that Friday is an unlucky day.

(This is a theory, not a fact. Nor is there an academic consensus to back up your claim. In addition, why did these two ancient superstitions converge only recently?)

It is not an ancient superstition, and it does not refer to any particular historical Friday the 13th.[3][4][5][6][7]

(This is not factual. The subject of folklore and superstition is primarily an oral tradition, therefore, one of your own sources [urban legends] declares that this subject is "mostly guesswork". Not only that, the quote at the bottom of this page [urban legends] states that "some scholars" believe that it is a modern phenomenon. Not all, nor a majority. Therefore, your sentences are inaccurate. As it is, wikipedia already lacks credibility. However, perhaps your goal is to further sabotage the reputation of this website...)

Despite the reputation of the two separated elements, there is no evidence for a "Friday the 13th" superstition before the 19th century, and folklore historians state that Friday the 13th was a convergence of the superstitions about "Friday" and "13".[6][5][3]

(This sentence should read "some folklore historians". This is being generous considering the lack of academic sources. Many of the sources you cite are website articles written by amateurs.)

This is a modern-day invention.[2][7]

(Once again, you are stating a theory, not a fact. And your own sources do not make this claim, some of them only propose it as a theory. Did you actually read them?)

As discussed in one serious account:

(Your so-called "serious account" is written by an amateur. Specifically, a freelance journalist. Do you actually have some academic sources? Finally, what exactly do you have against the Knights Templar theory? Remember, this is folklore and superstition. Historically, these subjects are oral traditions. Therefore, the lack of documented evidence argument is circular logic. Not only that, many scholars believe that the suppression of the Templars is the actual origin of the superstition. Yes, the legendary Knights Templar. The defenders of the Holy Land and Christendom. So revered throughout Europe that Wolfram von Eschenbach declared that they were the protectors of the Holy Grail. Don't you think this warrants a mention? In case you are blissfully unaware, this idea didn't originate with Dan Brown.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Um, no. The article cites both folklorists and well-respected generalists. If you have any folklorists who take a different view, please cite them. I have, however, revised the article to delete the reference to the "serious account," which actually was a weaker source than the other cited sources. John M Baker (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Bernie Madoff[edit]

Thanks for the good catch on Bernie's correct middle name. I had put it in as "Leon" because I saw that somewhere, in some article. But his FINRA license is obviously the final authority - good catch. Thanks for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Betathetapi545 (talkcontribs) 05:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The fate of Allie Smith[edit]

Greetings, John! I appreciate the story you shared on the Humanities Ref Desk about Mary Alice "Allie" Smith. Please understand that the remark I added was meant with all due respect, for the sake of qualifying what was and has been the lot of many women marrying or otherwise entering into a household due to considerations of physical and economic security, whether or not they got stuck with "domestic drudgery." Thanks for giving such an informative response, and I look forward to reading more from you on the Ref Desks. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 12:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Deborahjay. I'm not sure how many impoverished servant girls could hope for marriage to men of means, but at least as a young wife a girl could hope for a better lot as mistress of her own household, however small, rather than a life of servitude. I suspect that the lot of an orphan servant often was not a good one. John M Baker (talk) 16:20, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for apple info[edit]

Thanks for your answer to my question about Depression-era apple sellers. I appreciate it! --Lph (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with "assign against"[edit]

Enjoy! With all the bad rep lawyers get one is always pleasantly surprised just how many exceptions there are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Unwarranted Weblog asides[edit]

On a personal note, your use of the phrases "factually incorrect and has no reliable sources", "conjecture", "speculation" in the face of references from the New York Times and the Online Etymology Dictionary show a clear lack of appreciation for the guideline assume good faith. Fine, you're the slangmaster. Without good references, that and four dollars will buy you a cup of coffee. - JeffJonez (talk) 12:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Banks acting against their own interest by overvaluing zero risk?[edit]

(from WP:RDH) When will banks weigh the amount of interest they are losing from customers against their 0.25% reserve interest? The fact that the latter is zero risk seems to be affecting their ability to maximize profits. Do bank shareholders have a case? (talk) 11:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Response on WP:RDH. John M Baker (talk) 15:08, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Stray cow problem in India[edit]

Hi. Please be sure to read this

And thanks for raising this issue. I did a good article Stray Cow Problem in India, but some devout Hindus had it snipped away with the flimsiest legal-excuses that even your most novice ambulance-chaser will be ashamed to put across the bench ! I have kept it safe here for good guys like you. Enjoy

Regards  Jon Ascton  (talk) 18:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Your reference desk assistance[edit]

Hi John! I just wanted to take a moment to convey my strong gratitude for the benefit of your lights concerning the question I posted to the reference desk about the nature of the findings of an investigation conducted by a U.S. Inspector General.

I've expressed my thanks there, but since your effort seems pretty extraordinary to me, a more personal note of appreciation seems in order, as well. You've been generous, and very helpful, so thanks!. I know very little of the law, but I'm sensible of the difficult and intellectually stimulating problem it takes on in trying to translate values into rules, a sense of "right and wrong" into a stable, actionable body of specific codes. I'd like to say, too, that I could wish that more attorneys were as articulate in explaining unfamiliar and complex issues to the uninitiated.

Also, I'm always pleased to "meet" a philologist ... I almost wrote "another philologist", but I can't really make that claim. All I really do is spend too much time with the Oxford English Dictionary, letting its etymology entries lead me very far afield, indeed. Great fun, though; perhaps I'll undertake to actually develop it into a full-blown hobby, at some point, too, although messing about with the rudiments of mathematical philosophy does keep my leisure hours pretty well spoken for. I suppose you do have online access to the OED yourself, btw? My local public library provides remote access to it without charge, and its a wonderful resource. If you'd like to reply at all, feel free to do so here, as I've temporarily "watchlisted" this page. Thanks again for your extensive help. Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 18:32, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

You're very kind, and I'm glad you found my responses helpful. I'm not really a philologist, but I do take an interest in words and participate on the American Dialect Society's listserv (today they're talking about "jazz," "baseball," and "wear the ruby slippers" - the last one is new to me). I get OED access through the Mid-Continent Library, which for a modest annual charge gives me that and many other databases online.
I took a couple of courses on symbolic logic in college and was the student assistant to a philosophy professor, but haven't done much in that area since then. John M Baker (talk) 19:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I took a look at the listserv: I don't know anything about gay culture, but I'd have guessed "wear the ruby slippers" might have been a more apt description for a relatively innocent woman who gains power by some kind of association with a ruthless one. Maybe if Imelda Marcos were to designate a corruption-free protegé, for example, and she were to rise to power after Marcos' demise? I love symbolic logic, myself, in part because it reflects and informs the structure of reasoning, as natural language does, but in a different idiom. Most introductory books on the subject are worse than worthless, though, imo. Thanks again for your help, and for the pointer to the ADS' listserv, too. Fun stuff: I'll have to look in there more often. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


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RSN comment[edit]

Hi there, I was just reading through the RSN page, making sure I didn't have anything new to add anywhere when I saw your comment about not being RS for the reasons stated as well as being password protected (I'm paraphrasing). Unless I've misunderstood what you meant, I just thought I'd let you know that WP doesn't disallow articles because of membership required, or any other reason it may be hard to corroborate, as per WP:PAYWALL. If I did misunderstand what you meant there, ...never mind! :) -- Despayre  tête-à-tête 16:07, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm suggesting that a paywall-protected site should be disfavored, when the same article is available for free at the source. John M Baker (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi there, John. On the same approximate subject: I've made a few more changes and posted another comment at WP:CO-OP, including a note that I'd be happy to continue developing the articles after they are live. Looking forward to your feedback. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 15:29, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
I just left a note of thanks on the WP:CO-OP project page, but I'ld like to say here, too. I realize you'll be busy for a bit here, but if you don't mind I'll let you know when I have an update ready re: definition changes. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 12:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Proposed update to CTA and CPO articles re: Dodd-Frank[edit]

Hi John, thanks again for your recent help. I've now followed up on your suggestion about adding a detail to the CTA and CPO articles on the changes to their definition under the Frank-Dodd amendments to the Commodity Exchange Act. On the Talk pages for each article and again at Paid Editor Help I've posted notes with suggested wording. Please have a look, if you have the time available. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 17:28, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Getting Hedge fund structure right[edit]

Hi John, on Monday of last week I posted a thorough reply to your comments (and others') with another revision of the Hedge fund structure section that I hope answers the outstanding concerns. My reply (see here) is admittedly long, however I'd like to ask if you're willing to look at it again and offer your feedback to this version. Let me know back on that Talk page if you're able. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:35, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Hedge fund definition[edit]

Glad to see you over on Talk:Hedge fund. I've just posted a reply on the thread, with a new suggestion about how to clarify the wording, in case you're interested in reviewing again. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:59, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hedge fund: Systemic risk[edit]

Hi there, John. I'm a little surprised to find I'm following myself up on your Talk page all these months later, but I wonder if you'd be willing to weigh in on a content disagreement between myself and Wildfowl at Talk:Hedge fund#Systemic risk. As you may surmise, our focus is revisions I've proposed to Hedge fund#Systemic risk; another editor had agreed to weigh in on the issue recently, but he's become busy and decided to hold off. Would you be willing to share your thoughts? Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi again—just saw your note on my page and figured I'd reply here rather than post there and ask you to follow a Talkback. No problem, though; if you have the chance and feel that you have some knowledge about the matter, I'd still welcome your input. Since you hadn't responded I have sought out a few additional editors, and at least one has said he'd look sometime soon. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:39, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I'd appreciate your help[edit]

Hi John.

Firstly, thank you for your pro-bono legal advice on insider-trading laws, in your answer to my question on the reference desk in September last year. MUCH appreciated. :-)

I have another securities-law question on the humanities reference desk, regarding releasing false news about a company. IF you happen to feel in a particularly generous mood, I'd love you to go there, read it, and post an expert opinion. :-) I have no connection to the case, so fear not, I won't be acting on your advice - it's for information purposes only. (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Hedge fund Performance chart[edit]

Hi John, thanks for talking through the chart with me, and apologies for my absence. I've just responded to your questions and Wildfowl's on the Talk page; I hope you'll have a chance to take a look at it soon. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Not sure if you saw, but I replied to your questions on the Hedge fund Talk page last week. I'd be very interested to hear if I've answered them satisfactorily, or if you still have concerns. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:12, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

reply at my user page[edit]

reply to your query continued at my user page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I've now left a second reply there. (talk) 16:39, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

A Barnstar For You![edit]

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Checking in re: Hedge fund lede[edit]

Hi there, John. Last Friday I posted a response to you at Talk:Hedge fund citing some concerns with changes to the introduction. Will you have a chance to consider my suggestions and reply soon? Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:54, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, slipped my mind. There's a response there now. John M Baker (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


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Casement Report[edit]

Do you know the title that appears on the document? There's a chance I can get it (way less than 100%). Zerotalk 08:35, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

I see it is "Correspondence and Report from His Majesty's Consul at Boma Respecting the Administration of the Independent State of the Congo". I'll give it a shot... Zerotalk 08:54, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

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Diners Club International[edit]

Hi John. I have a WP:COI with Diners Club International. The article is currently under-developed and I'd like to eventually bring it up to the GA rank as I have done with other articles where I have a COI. However, I usually need a little nudge staying neutral and I follow COI best practices by leaving content decisions up to non-conflicted editors. I saw that you were active in WikiProject Finance and I thought you might have some familiarity with them and maybe an interest in collaborating on the article. CorporateM (Talk) 02:19, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Hedge fund company article help[edit]

Hi John M Baker, I'm getting in touch because I see you have an interest in hedge fund articles - unfortunately, you're a rare breed on Wikipedia. I was wondering if you could help out on the Brevan Howard article? They're one of the largest hedge funds in the world, but their Wikipedia page has a number of factual inaccuracies in it. I've made a list of all of this on the talk page and have backed it up with sources.The user page of the previous editor who was helping out says he is taking a long break from Wiki, and the page hasn't attracted any new editors since October 2013.

Would be great if you could lend a hand. --DanJay000 (talk) 09:31, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hedge fund[edit]

Hi John. Just reassure me you have no conflict of interest pertaining to Hedge fund. I am getting a feeling that the article is drifting more and more towards what the hedge fund advocacy position, more specifically the MFA, would like it to be – all sweet-smelling and nice and anodyne. Wildfowl (talk) 22:00, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Requesting Guidance[edit]

Hello. I'm new to the wiki community and would like to start working on editing the Property Insurance page with the help and collaboration of more experienced contributors from Project Finance Participants. There is also a recommendation the Chartis article be merged with AIG's page. I think the Property Insurance page could be strengthened with parts of AIG's page since it shows how current events and emerging trends effect it's regulation by the government. Hurricane Sandy and updated payouts of the WTC are not on the Property Insurance page either - which to me seem to be relevant. Do you think adding more information would be beneficial to the Property Insurance page? If so would you be interested in collaborating what facts should be included? Any response would be kindly appreciated. Thank you.Lgkkitkat (talk) 16:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


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Email problems?[edit]

I just responded to you at WP:RX but I happened across another post of your talking about not being able to send emails. I happen to have had this issue recently and thought you might be having the same problem, especially if your email is through Yahoo! See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 125#Wikipedia email not working when I send but works when others send to me. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:49, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Joachim[edit]

This is copied from Talk:Joachim. I left it there in case others have a similar question. However, there does not seem to be one "right" answer. As I see you have an interest in philology, perhaps this is more in your bailiwick than mine. Cheers.

There appear to be regional variations. In places with a significant Jewish population it would probably follow the Hebrew pronunciation, which would be something like Yo-a-CHIM, with the accent on the third syllable, and a guttural "ch". In German it would be Yo-ACH-em; Massachusetts and parts of New York are closer to the German: Jo-ACK-em. The "j" is different in French: zhwa-KIM. In the US it is most often found as a popular name among Spanish-speakers: wa-KEEN. I think it may depend on where you grew up. I'm not sure how one would explain the various versions for the article, however. Mannanan51 (talk) 01:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[edit]

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On distinguishing genuine edits by new users from tests/vandalism[edit]

Just to refresh your memory, test edits are when a new user adds something like "HI!!!!!!1!" to an article. Vandalism is when they follow it up with "Pooppooppoop" or the like. Adding an infobox is neither. So removing it as either (as you did to Paul Bunyan) comes across as rather Bitey. Don't worry, I've restored the infobox, and changed it to a more appropriate one, {{Infobox character}}.--Auric talk 22:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

"Death will follow in short order"[edit]

Thanks, I love that sentence. I'm hearing it spoken by Orson Welles or someone of like gravitas. --Viennese Waltz 15:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Time request[edit]

Hi John, thanks for the Time article. I was wondering if you'd be able to get this one too. Looks useful for corroborating sources at September Morn. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:23, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: The article has been emailed. John M Baker (talk) 17:16, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you right kindly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)


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Do you know other website where I can make requests for pdf copies of scientific studies?Whereismylunch (talk) 03:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

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It was reverted because the IP is a serially disruptive block evader. All the IP's edits are routinely reverted, usually by admins. Capitalismojo (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2015 (UTC) check-in[edit]

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Seeking assistance[edit]

Hello there! I noticed you were one of the few active members of the seemingly defunct WP:Finance. Would you be interested in collaborating to improve the article for Assurant? I have a paid COI, and I've been working with some volunteers here and there with the aim of improving the article and removing the advertising banner. If you've got the time, could you take a look at the page? Any suggestions you might have would be appreciated. Thanks!--FacultiesIntact (talk) 20:07, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, FacultiesIntact, but as a practicing lawyer who uses his own name I don't usually edit individual companies' pages. John M Baker (talk) 02:42, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

My reference desk question[edit]

Hi, I just posted a question on the humanities reference desk regarding plaintiffs and absent parties in class actions. Would MUCH appreciate if you could pay the desk a visit and offer your expert opinion. Thanks (talk) 14:15, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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Kyle Bass: Intro and Challenging Drug Patents[edit]

Greetings John, given your background as a member of WikiProject Finance and your interest in hedge funds, I wanted to flag two potential citation issues on the Kyle Bass page.

There is a statement about questionable ethics attributed to a Barron’s article that doesn’t corroborate that statement. Furthermore, the article is behind a paywall making verifying that error for non-subscribers exceeding difficult. Additionally, a statement about CFAD and Celgene cites a WSJ article but the article does not contain that information.

Ethics allegation (Barron’s source doesn’t contain this information) should be considered for removal: "Despite his early successes he has received criticisms for some of his investments both for their performance and for ethical reasons.”

Celgene statement (WSJ source doesn’t contain this information) should be considered for removal: “Celgene also told the patent office that the CFAD had threatened to challenge its patents unless Celgene paid CFAD an unspecified amount.”

I have flagged this on the Talk page for Kyle Bass and the BLP noticeboard but wanted to reach out to you, as well, given your stature in the community.

My name is Steele and I work at Hayman Capital Management, L.P., which was founded by J. Kyle Bass in 2005. My goal is to serve as a resource in support of Wikipedia’s three core content policies. I will not be making edits, but rather participating in the community discussions. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 16:15, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

refdesk question I'd like your opinion on[edit]

Hi. Someone asked a question on the humanities refdesk regarding how courts deal with elderly defendants (his example was Bill Cosby, but the issue is obviously a more general one), and if it makes them speed up the process. I gave an answer, but, since I, unlike you, am not a lawyer, it's something of a guess. I'd love for you to go there and offer your $0.02 on his question and my answer, if you can spare the time. In particular, I'm not entirely sure of jurisdictions' arrangements for "pre-recording" of testimony - but any element of my answer you take issue with (or agree with), do say so. Judging by your talk page you are one very-much-sought-after wikipedian. Thanks. Eliyohub (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

I added a reply on the refdesk to yours. Would be curious if you know the answer to my question. Eliyohub (talk) 13:37, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Unblock request[edit]

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Caught by a web host block but this host or IP is not a web host. I'm editing through my employer, a law firm. Note that I was granted an IP block exemption in 2011; apparently it was removed as unneeded at some point since then. John M Baker (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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You should be able to edit now. Mike VTalk 14:39, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Mike V: I am pinging the admin who removed your IPBE. They will know better about the situation than me. HighInBC Need help? {{ping|HighInBC}} 14:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, HighInBC. Although a return of the IP block exemption would fix the problem, at least for me, perhaps the broader issue is that my employer is not a web host. John M Baker (talk) 14:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I can't really tell much without knowing which IP range is being blocked, and you don't have to reveal that for privacy reasons. I will suggest that many companies will use commercial internet providers that are also used for web hosting. Often people will evade their blocks by getting a cheap server with a commercial provider and use it as a private proxy. This is why a lot of commercial internet connections are blocked. HighInBC Need help? {{ping|HighInBC}} 14:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I was going to check and give you that information by email, but since I'm no longer blocked I can't tell. Anyway, my thanks to both you and Mike V. John M Baker (talk) 14:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Baazigar 1993 Film[edit]

1. Instead of giving [Power of Attorney Documents] to Madan, should Vishwanath have Locked up [Power of Attorney Documents] in a [Secret Locker]?

2. Why did Vishwanath give [Power of Attorney] to Madan? Is it becuz Vishwanath had No Idea that Madan planned to Become a Traitor?( (talk) 15:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)).

I haven't seen Baazigar and am not in a position to answer these questions. John M Baker (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
We've generally taken the position that it's usually rather pointless to ask why fictional characters acted in a certain manner. Putting forward a hypothetical scenario that might realistically occur in real life, (or asking for an opinion on an actual real-life occurrence) is probably a better approach, I would think, when talking to a lawyer such as John, than asking what a fictional character should have done. Fictional characters do what the scriptwriter wants them to do, for whatever makes an exciting movie. (I honestly don't mean to attack you, just expressing my view, when similar questions have popped up on the refdesk, we've usually taken a similar approach) Eliyohub (talk) 17:26, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

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Another refdesk question - love if you could help[edit]

THANK YOU for your at times pro-bono advice on my legal questions, previously often on securities law (which is your speciality). My previous questions which you offered a genuine legal opinion on involved evading insider trading laws, and laws relating to false information about companies (you quoted Rule 10b-5). MUCH appreciated! This time, no advice needed as such - just asking if you'd be familiar with the rules of recusal for judges in the kind of situation I refer to - see my q on the humanities refdesk. I know it's not your speciality, but since you're a lawyer, I would ask if you have anything to offer. MANY THANKS. Eliyohub (talk) 10:31, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

You HAVE answered my questions VERY well. Thank you SO much. If I was a paying client of your law firm, how much would I need to pay for such advice? I am SO appreciative of you contributing your legal knowledge and skills to Wikipedia gratis. Eliyohub (talk) 17:20, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
You are welcome, Eliyohub. It's probably not helpful to think what my billing rate would have been, because then I start feeling guilty for posting on Wikipedia rather than working. John M Baker (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Er, it's YOUR time, you're free to do with it as you see fit. The tradition of lawyers working for the social good pro bonois an ancient one, to my understanding, and there's not a lot of "social justice" work in securities law, I would think. Though if that environmental activist charged under Australia's equivalent of Rule 10b-5 (for publishing a false press release claiming that a bank had withdrawn its loan facility for a controversial coal mining company due to "corporate responsibility concerns") has occurred in the United States, I might have approached you asking you to represent him - that would be your area of law. As you noted, in the USA, his conduct would likely not be illegal, as it was not "connect(ed) to the sale or purchase of any security". But my point stands - your time, you choose what to do with it. As long as you deal with it by taking a smaller caseload, rather than giving your clients poorer service, you're doing NOTHING wrong at all. (Not sure about that to be fair - the right to a speedy trial only applies in criminal cases. In civil cases, the wheels of Justice can grind awfully slowly).
I am studying financial planning, and we have a lot of "compliance requirements" around "best interests of the client". I don't mind them (paperwork and record keeping is not fun, but I understand why we need to do it), I just hate when institutions (like big banks, who want to push the stuff that makes them the juiciest commissions, or their own products on which the bank earns the most profits) repeatedly breach them. Yes, they've paid tens of millions in compensation (essentially limited to restitution!) for inappropriate advice. In the US, they would likely have been hit with punitive damages for their conduct. It is inevitable, when they have a business model so inherently riddled with conflicts of interest. I plan to work for an independent firm, unconnected with product providers (so it makes no difference to my own or employer's income what I recommend to the client), and not take commissions, just negotiate fees instead. Our insurers do not understand the lower risk we have of being sued as result of such a business model, and will not give us a cut on our indemnity insurance. Grumble. Has the US encountered any similar issues in the "financial advice" sector of self-interested advice (any juicy payouts?), and is there a regulatory regime? Or does it vary from state to state? Eliyohub (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Eliyohub, I don't get involved with actually buying liability insurance, so I don't know what the rates are for that or what factors the carriers take into account. In the United States, stockbrokers are required to arbitrate claims if customers so desire (and most stockbrokers include contractual provisions requiring arbitration, to keep things bilateral). Investment advisers that are not also stockbrokers are not subject to mandatory arbitration, and there is only a very limited private right of action against them at the federal level, so they face relatively less litigation risk, although clients can bring suit under state law for breach of contract or breach of fiduciary duty. Customers may also get the benefit of litigation brought by the Securities and Exchange Commission or other regulators. John M Baker (talk) 05:15, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Philology and the Legal profession[edit]

Hi, I just spotted your mention of your interest in philology. Quick question: other than (obviously!) latin, are there any non-english languages whose terms are still used in the legal profession in the english-speaking world in the current day, be it civil law systems, or common law ones? I assume they would be VERY distant to latin, which is obviously used en masse, but does any language notably feature? Philology is a field I know zilch about, I'm just curious. Eliyohub (talk) 14:06, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Eliyohub, I know about this more because I know a little about legal history than because of my interest in philology: French is also an important language to the law. You may recall that when the Normans came to England, they spoke French, and they continued to speak French for some time, even as their French gradually diverged from the language spoken in France. Norman French died out in general use around the 14th century, by which time the divergence had become something of an embarrassment, commented on by Chaucer. However, it continued to be the working language of the courts until the 17th century, and Professor John Baker (not me, but a prominent legal historian) has called it the most important language in the development of the common law, beating out Latin and even English. If you look at our article on Law French, you will see some of the terms that survive. John M Baker (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Finance[edit]

Hello John, I've recently begun editing articles in the WikiProject Finance category, particularly from the operations perspective which is my background. My first article is entitled Securities Market Participants (United States). I'm now trying to sort out the difference between a clearing house and a CCP, as well as preparing articles on securities trade settlement and securities trade allocations. Would you mind were I to flag my articles from time to time for your review? Thanks WikiDorset (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead and ping me, WikiDorset, although I won't always have time to review them. Your article on Securities market participants (United States) is an excellent start, although I do notice some omissions. If I get a chance I'll give you some comments in the next few days. John M Baker (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Investment[edit]

Hey there! Im currently rebuilding the WikiProject Investment.

Since your a member of the project/were one I wanted to ask if you were interested in helping me re-start the project.

I already am pretty much finished with updating the project page.Take a look at it.(I created a userbox too) Ping me if you want to help! Thanks. WikiEditCrunch (talk) 21:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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I'd like to invite you to join the Investment WikiProject. There are a lot of Investment related articles on Wikipedia that could use a little attention, and I hope this project can help organize an effort to improve them. So please, take a look and if you like what you see, help get this project off the ground and a few Investment pages into the front ranks of Wikipedia articles. Thanks!

Hi, WikiEditCrunch. My Wikipedia time is fairly limited, so I try to focus my edits where I can be useful as a subject matter expert. There obviously are many topics within this project that would greatly benefit from attention, but there don't seem to be enough editors who have the time and interest to focus on this area. I applaud whatever you are able to do. John M Baker (talk) 21:10, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Alright.Thanks WikiEditCrunch (talk) 08:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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Help with article?[edit]


I noticed you're a member of the Wikipedia Private Equity Task Force. I wonder if you'd be willing to help me out by reviewing Draft: Fifth Wall Ventures for publication. It's a VC-firm focused on real estate with about $200m under management.

Although I am an experienced Wikipedia editor and always try to abide by the five pillars, in this case I have a conflict of interest (disclosed on the Talk page), so Wikipedia policy requires that all my work be reviewed by an independent editor before it's published. I'd be glad to do any additional work you think the article requires.

Thanks for considering this!

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