User talk:John M Wolfson

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Larry Sanger[edit]

Hi John,

I just wanted to apologise for reverting your edits on Larry Sanger. I have no idea how that happened -- I must have misclicked while looking through Recent Changes, and not realised it. Again, sorry about that. aboideautalk 22:23, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Central Australia (territory) Part 2[edit]


I have two comments.

  1. I just replace links to the Australian newspaper sources that you sourced from with identical links from the National Library of Australia (NLA). The latter are better because the reader does not need to access a paid site to read the original source. For more information about the NLA source, please refer Trove#Australian Newspapers Digitisation Project.
  2. RWith respect to the James Stuart which you found in The Age, I must advise that this name is incorrect. For your information, most things called Stuart in both South Australia and the Northern Territory are named after John McDouall Stuart who was the first European explorer to cross the continent in the north-south direction and to survive to return to tell the story.

Regards Cowdy001 (talk) 08:34, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @Cowdy001:, thank you for the information; I have revised the article as necessary. I was thinking of bringing the article to WP:DYK and was wondering if you would be interested in that. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 14:21, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I would be interested. Cowdy001 (talk) 20:54, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Qu Dongyu[edit]

Thanks for your speedy review. However, I think you erred by linking on the Talk Page to the United States. Qu is head of a United Nations organization. Roundtheworld (talk) 13:46, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Master Music Publications[edit]

Hello John,

Thanks for pointing out the downfalls in my proposed article. I have made changes to address your concerns. Please have a look and see what you think. To meet notability guidelines, I have added citations from newspapers (Watford Observer & Elstree & Borehamwood Times), online articles from Georgia Today and Pianist Magazine, as well as a few smaller niche blogs, such as the cross-eyed pianist etc.

I made this article as it has been referenced on a few other wikipedia pages but never made, such as Nicholas McCarthy, Luka Okros and Jiu Liu.

Best of wishes, Cabin2015 (talk) 17:38, 18 August 2019 (UTC)


I think you're mistaken in your interpretation of NPOV. When a statement is accurately summarised from a reliable source, and there are no contradictory reliable sources, then that is precisely when we make that statement in Wikipedia's voice. Please refer to WP:ASF and consider reverting yourself. --RexxS (talk) 01:12, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Short description question[edit]

Hi, thank you for adding the short description tag to one of my articles. Should I be adding this tag to all of my mainspace articles? I plan on adding hundreds more unincorporated community articles this year. When I read WP:SHORTDESC it implies that all articles should have the tag. DavidDelaune (talk) 20:35, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

  • Yes, you should. For efficiency you may use the magic word {{SHORTDESC}}, like so: {{SHORTDESC:Lorem ipsum}}. If you do this please use a colon (:) rather than a pipe (|) as it is a magic word and not a template as such. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 20:38, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
    @DavidDelaune: You should be using Template:Short description, and using it like this: {{short description|Description of the article}}. It's not compulsory, of course, but it provides an editable subtitle for articles on the Wikipedia App, as a disambiguator added to search results on the mobile version, and as a description when used with the {{Annotated link}} template. The template offers some advantages over the raw magic word, and is in general preferred (to the extent that there is a bot which converts the magic word to the template when run). --RexxS (talk) 20:56, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
    @RexxS: Is this something that could be automated? I'm a software engineer and I'm interested in learning how to automate some of my Wikipedia edits. This tag seems like it would be an easy place to start. DavidDelaune (talk) 21:40, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
    @DavidDelaune: There is a Shortdesc helper available for editors. As for automating your edits in general, you can maybe look into the AutoWikiBrowser or an equivalent such as JWB and see if it's right for you. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 22:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
@John M Wolfson: I installed AWB today and it appears that it would be able to do what I want. Looks like I could add WP:SHORTDESC to every unincorporated community in each state. I would probably want to do one state at a time. It also appears to have the ability to skip articles that already contain the template. But when I attempted to log into Wikipedia it gives me a permission error. So after reading all of Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage it appears that I will have to go through alot of WP:BRFA bureaucracy to get this thing working. DavidDelaune (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
@DavidDelaune:, if you have a need for AWB, which you appear to do, it shouldn't be too much of an issue to get it, just request it here and an admin will review your request and (likely, IMO) grant it. I've myself used it to fix the shading of presidential election tables in each county, among other things. My greatest apologies, apparently you don't yet have 500 main-namespace edits, which is what is generally expected for AWB access. Sorry to bring your hopes up! However, I still think that the Shortdesc helper should help you, and encourage you to apply for AWB access when you are able and willing. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 23:51, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Criticism of the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests[edit]

Many thanks for fixing up the first ever page I created! Ltyl (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem, although I would highly recommend you read Neutral point of view and our policy on non-neutral articles. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 19:36, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Lauren Sisler[edit]

Hey I've been trying to see what to remove and what to keep on the Lauren Sisler page. I've done some cutting and I think it's good (maybe I could cut another line). I don't want to cut too too much on the page. Dwightforrm (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 03:08, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Looks good, just add citations to the "Career" section and it'll be good to go. (Also, please use FOUR tildes in your signature to add the date as well). – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 03:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

I add some references (thanks to her website) and retooled her Personal Life section. Dwightform (talk) 05:34, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your improvements; there are still some uncited statements regarding her awards and engagement, but it looks much better. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 05:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiCup 2019 September newsletter[edit]

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Irkutsk Ice Truckers[edit]

Thanks John, I'll look a little more. The only places that really would be secondary sources now besides their author profile, a YouTube channel, and a Google Business listing would be some blogs though, but I'll look into it. Thanks for fixing the sidebar. IacobusViridis (talk) 03:55, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for editing[edit]

Hi John,

Thanks for editing and reviewing the post on Digital Empathy ( Wanted to know how can I edit the post further to remove this mesaage "This article is written like a personal reflection, personal essay, or argumentative essay that states a Wikipedia editor's personal feelings or presents an original argument about a topic. Please help improve it by rewriting it in an encyclopedic style."

do you think it needs to be further reviewed or can i remove it?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asargana96 (talkcontribs) 17:00, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Asargana96,
Thank you for your interest. The article feels like an essay that you would write in school, particularly with such passages as With the rise in the use of computers, the principles guiding human interactions such as empathy are being explored in the context of the digital revolution, giving rise to the concept.... I removed quite a bit of the stuff that made it feel even more like something that advanced an argument, such as the "Conclusion" section, but there are still elements of essay-like writing present, such as the parentheses in the "History" section. I highly suggest you go to our page on writing better articles. In addition, please read our policies of no original research and synthesis of sources, which mean that you may not introduce novel arguments into the article; all arguments must be clearly and explicitly made in the sources themselves, rather than by you interpreting those sources. Do not remove the tag yet, let me know once you've done the work and I'll think about it at that time. Thanks!
John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 17:13, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Asargana96 (talk) 00:35, 17 September 2019 (UTC) Hi, Based off this comment and result of comments on deletion, I have edited the page to best of my ability. please review and suggest if there's something that still needs to be reviewed. Thankyou.

It looks much better. I'll have to think about whether to keep it, but even if I decide to do so the deletion discussion must carry on until seven days or when a conclusion is reached.
John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 00:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi John,

looping back on this article of digital emapthy, I've noticed the deletion discusion is no longer active. Do you still want the template message of personal reflection to appear on the page. Just wanted to check the status of this page. Thanks for your contributions.

Cheers,--Asargana96 (talk) 16:24, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I still feel as if that would be appropriate. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 18:23, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Response to Copyright Violations[edit]

Hi there,

Thanks for the note on copyright. I actually was sent that text from Aaron Reed for his Wikipedia page, instead of copying and pasting it. As for the image, a message has already been sent to the permissions at Wikipedia with the correct owner, copyright, etc. I've done quite a bit of research into Wikipedia and how to go about edits but am always still learning best practices. However, I appreciate you reaching out!

As for the revision message—that is something I didn't know the administrator takes care of. I will note that for the future. How do I get an administrator to see that request each time?

Thanks! Hbrennah (talk) 17:03, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi again,

Okay, I just read through the Admin rules for Wikipedia and found how they help with editing. Looks like they can assist with copyright, deletions, etc. For the smaller edit requests, I'm able to do those myself! Thanks so much! Please let me know if there's anything else I'm missing.

Best, Hbrennah (talk) 18:26, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Hbrennah:Thanks for your responses. That's fine if you have permission from the copyright holder to post things on Wikipedia, but please note that any copyrighted text you donate to Wikipedia with such permissions constitutes a permanent and irrevocable release of such copyright per Wikipedia's terms. In particular, "just for Wikipedia" is not legally meaningful when it comes to text, as Wikipedia aims to be as freely redistributable as possible. The same applies for images, as in the case of the image you uploaded to Commons: if you wish for the image to be "just for Wikipedia" you'll need to read our non-free content criteria for images, which cannot be uploaded to Commons and which are highly discouraged for living persons, and upload it to the English Wikipedia only. If you do wish to upload it as free content, again, you may do so provided that you hold the copyright but do note that such transfer is permanent and irrevocable, and you will cease to hold the copyright if you do so. Apologies if this seems harsh, but Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously.
As for revision deletion, you may use the template {{Copyvio-revdel}}, and fill in the appropriate parameters. The long "diff" numbers you can find via the page's history. Welcome to Wikipedia, and if you need any more help you can ask me or go to the help desk or Teahouse. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 18:37, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019[edit]

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Thank you for your kind words to the newbie. It is very much appreciated. —usernamekiran(talk) 08:52, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Aw shucks, thanks! I'm just trying to keep us collegial. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 18:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Ricardo Costa (filmmaker)[edit]

Hello John M Wolfson, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Ricardo Costa (filmmaker), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Article has been significantlt expanded and therefore is not CSD-G4. If you would still like to dispute the validity of this article, plkewase consider another AfD. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Kudpung. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Digital empathy, and have marked it as unpatrolled. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you.

Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Central Australia (territory)[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 18 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Central Australia (territory), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the territory of Central Australia existed only from 1927 to 1931? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Central Australia (territory). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Central Australia (territory)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 12:02, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Benjamin F. Lewis[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Benjamin F. Lewis[edit]

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AshSkidmore Edits[edit]

Hi John - can you give me a chance to finish the patent track crane page I am working on before editing? I am fixing some of the things you listed. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AshSkidmore (talkcontribs) 18:05, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, AshSkidmore. I apologize if I'm interrupting anything, but I think that the article isn't ready to be in the main article space and should instead become a draft, unless you are almost finished with it. In addition, please do not copy and paste material from elsewhere into Wikipedia, even if you cite or link the source, as that constitutes copyright infringement. Thanks! – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 18:08, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Nigel Peake[edit]

i added a source. Baozon90 (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello Baozon90, thank you for adding a source. I think it is reliable enough, and will thus remove the BLPPROD. However, I do highly urge you to read our policy on biographies of living persons, our guidelines on notability, and Your first article. – John M Wolfson (talkcontribs) 23:01, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Benjamin F. Lewis[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 14 October 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Benjamin F. Lewis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the murder of Chicago alderman Benjamin F. Lewis was considered unsolvable for having too many suspects? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Benjamin F. Lewis. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Benjamin F. Lewis), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)