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memo to self - arty student project pages to check through[edit]

Johnbod (talk) 19:13, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Vienna porcelain[edit]

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Precision of a summation in exercision of the aggregation...[edit]

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Johnbod's Law—nailed it!!! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 15:09, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks! Johnbod (talk) 15:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Revision to "Pre-historic Ireland"[edit]

You reverted my request for a citation for the information that "On the eastern side of the Irish Sea, a site dated to 11,000 BC was discovered that indicated people were in the area eating a marine diet including shellfish."

References (1) and (7, both published in 2016, describe the discovery of evidence that humans were in Ireland 12,500 thousand years ago. The first then says "A remarkable archaeological discovery in a Co. Clare cave has pushed back the date of human existence in Ireland by 2,500 years. This discovery re-writes Irish archaeology and adds an entirely new chapter to human colonisation of the island – moving Ireland’s story into a new era. Since the 1970s, the oldest evidence of human occupation on the island of Ireland has been at Mount Sandel in Co. Derry. This site has been dated at 8,000 BC, which is in the Mesolithic period, indicating that humans had occupied the island for some 10,000 years

If prior to the publication of this paper, someone found evidence of human habitation on the eastern side of the Irish Sea dated to 11,000 BC - 1500 year before the dating of the find desribed in the paper - it is rather surprising that an article contradicting this should be published on the "Archaelology.ie" website.

If the discovery of human habitation in Ireland 13000 years ago has been made since 2016, this cannot be described in any of the references (2) to (6) since they all pre-date 2016.

Can you please tell me where I can find the evidence for this. I am trying to learn about the topic. Thanks Epzcaw (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

I hope it is clearer now - it was all very muddled. Of course, "the eastern side of the Irish Sea" is Britain, not Ireland. Johnbod (talk) 23:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. That is much clearer now. Epzcaw (talk) 09:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
No problem! Johnbod (talk) 14:06, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
The Mesolithic section now needs amending, as it says that "the earliest evidence of human occupation after the retreat of the ice has been dated to around 8000 BC.". I don't want to make changes as I am a beginner. Epzcaw (talk) 15:48, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Ok, will do - that's the old date. Johnbod (talk) 21:30, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Hirado ware[edit]

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Gothic boxwood miniature[edit]

"Prayer Bead with the Adoration of the Magi and the Crucifixion", South Netherlandish. H (open): 11.2cm, 1500–1510. The Cloisters, New York

John, I appreciate the defixing[1] sentiment, but these things are so small that to convey their scale properly needs img fixing. Anyway, late here. Talk later. zzzz Ceoil (talk) 03:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Update; you may have been right afterall; images in general now far bigger on the page than they were. Ceoil (talk) 14:14, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I can see the case for keeping some at "actual size" (if that actually works technically) but explaining this. At least the Met files give the measurements. For example the lead image (11.2 cm high) was fixed at 200, but at least on this machine life-size is at about 330px, as here. The "Letter P" (7.1 cm) needs nearly 400 px, but was at 180. How much does this vary on other devices? I never know. Johnbod (talk) 14:28, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I find consistency (with this article) on my desktop, iphone and ipad, but not on my work desktop which has a landscape screen. Either way, the unfixed images were randomly huge when I looked. I take your point about relative sizes, and will incorporate that. I don't know what the solution is otherwise. Ceoil (talk) 14:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Do you (like me, but unlike almost everyone else) have a different default setting on the desktop? I have 400px, which does make things look big. Johnbod (talk) 14:41, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I have 400px also - I think Outriggr told me how to set up all that stuff in around 2009 and havnt looked back since. But often log out to view when making choices. Ceoil (talk) 15:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Indeed - I think there are very few people with custom default settings. I tried to get the default increased a while back (I was involved with the increase from 180 to 220 years ago) but it sank like a stone, which seems crazy to me. It should be at least 250. Johnbod (talk) 16:06, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I have noticed differences in taste over the years; yourself, Giano, Iridescent and Bishonen tend towards larger sizes images, while the likes of myself, Vic and Modernist tend towards smaller scales. Although it comes down to both text to image ratio and overall article size; with smaller articles with few images you can get away with larger sizes (have a large Grünewald here. I notice also that with larger articles you tend to go with galleries, while I go with interspersed images. Dunno what that indicates, though an article on a Hogarth of sleepy Judges that I forget, created by I think ALone always struck me as the best I've seen on wiki. Anyway, hope all is well. Ceoil (talk) 16:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Japanese export porcelain[edit]

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Undid[edit]

I undid your undo because you didnt tell me whats wrong with what l put on it. Everything l wrote is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nemrud91 (talkcontribs) 03:37, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

It's unrefererenced, indeed removing references, & I notice most of you contributions have been deleted. Also the English is not great. Johnbod (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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In an ideal world ... no, bear with your editor for just a minute ... there would be a format for scientific publishing online that was as much a standard as SI units are for the content. Likewise cataloguing publications would not be onerous, because part of the process would be to generate uniform metadata. Without claiming it could be the mythical free lunch, it might be reasonably be argued that sandwiches can be packaged much alike and have barcodes, whatever the fillings.

The best on offer, to stretch the metaphor, is the meal kit option, in the form of XML. Where scientific papers are delivered as XML downloads, you get all the ingredients ready to cook. But have to prepare the actual meal of slow food yourself. See Scholarly HTML for a recent pass at heading off XML with HTML, in other words in the native language of the Web.

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Nonfree Postgate pic in Microbes and Man[edit]

Hi Johnbod, I see you've added the pic of Postgate to the book article. It's nonfree so will need a carefully-crafted NFUR to give it much chance of surviving there; it is relatively secure on Postgate's page since it's about him and he's dead. For the book's use of the pic, I guess you'll need to say summat pretty convincing about illustrating the controversy between mild-mannered microbiological man and wild bra-burning Penguin women. Or near offer. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Surviving memoirs of Louis de Rouvroy, duc de Saint-Simon[edit]

Hi, do you remember where you came upon "only parts of them having survived" earlier this year? Might there be some confusion from reading an abridged edition? My memory of their editorial history is vague but I had the impression that most or all survived and am not finding any source that says otherwise. Emelkaji (talk) 17:38, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

From the detailed intoduction to the Lucy Norton 3 vol translation, and the dates covered by the memoirs it is clear that vast stretches are missing, possibly the majority. As you probably know all his papers were seized by the govt after his death. Johnbod (talk) 17:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Could you give more details from that introduction if you still have it on hand? While he provides dates inconsistently his memoirs do cover the years from 1691 to 1723. The 1879 edition for instance mentions the author's complete manuscript, which as far as I know is the one all integral editions were based on, with pages numbered from the first of 173 notebooks to the last. It seems we have conflicting sources at least. Emelkaji (talk) 22:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, it's in storage at the moment. Johnbod (talk) 23:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
All right, a 3 vol edition would be heavily abridged and a misunderstanding is looking more likely. On the web I see his memoirs missing come up in English exclusively, always directly copied from the WP article in its various forms; the relevant sentence lost its 2012 citation request through rewrites but had otherwise gone unchallenged since its 2006 origin, from... ultimately a familiar name! I'll still look for a modern reference to the manuscript first and then clarify on the article. Emelkaji (talk) 14:42, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Her edition (in effect 4 vols really) was of course very heavily abridged, but she was writing about the original MS. Johnbod (talk) 14:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

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Holy Roman Empire[edit]

φSo that I may learn something, would you please explain to me what you found inaccurate about my edit? I would specifically like to know why you changed Empire to empire. Thank you. This is aside from the point that it’s undocumented.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Holy_Roman_Empire&diff=863941693&oldid=863940348 deisenbe (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, take the first major bit "(At the time the Pope was perceived differently; he was not just a religious leader, carrying out God's will, but ruler over several small papal states, governed from the royal palace, what today (2018) is the Vatican City.)" Firstly, it's a sentence all in parenthesis, the expression is generally rather sloppy - is "carrying out God's will" the best way to describe the pope's religious function? The Papal States are normally treated as a unit in English. The main papal (how "royal"???) hq through the period was the Lateran Palace (when the pope wasn't in Avignon etc etc). And so on. The military bit was downright misleading: the HRE typically had a decent-sized army from his own territories, and was able to summon a good deal more from the princes - Imperial armies were massively important at several periods. So generally these changes weren't imo an improvement. Johnbod (talk) 02:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

FAC Request[edit]

Dropping you a line again to ask for comment on Ludwigsburg Palace's 2nd FAC, since you commented last time. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 01:03, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Hope to do this, but I'm just about to go away for a week or so. Johnbod (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Bump. –♠Vami_IV†♠ 00:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

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Lucas van Leyden[edit]

Hello, just wondering if you objected to the content of my edit in its entirety, or just the infobox? If the former, how so? I also note the use of 'art' in the 'known for' section is simplistic but I modelled it on da Vinci's Wikipedia page which seemed reasonable as it had good article status. I'm happy to be corrected of course. User:Otsima (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I put that bit back, corrected a bit. Only a Durer drawing seems to survive - was there ever a painting? Johnbod (talk) 17:16, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
@Johnbod, apologies, accidental rollback there. Sorry about that! ——SerialNumber54129 17:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Just a drawing yes, my mistake. Why do you consider the infobox incompetent? As I said, I based it on an existing artist's good article. Perhaps you thought the notable works were arbitrary or not representative of his engravings? In addition to the 'known for' section. Also, is there any reason to exclude The Worship of the Golden Calf? Otsima (talk) 17:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 17 – 29 October 2018[edit]

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Indeed, there is a tool. WD-FIST exploits the fact that each Wikipedia is differently illustrated, mostly with images from Commons but also with fair use images. An item that has sitelinks but no illustrative image can be tested to see if the linked wikis have a suitable one. This works well for a volunteer who wants to add images at a reasonable scale, and a small amount of SPARQL knowledge goes a long way in producing checklists.

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It should be noted, though, that there are currently 53 Wikidata properties that link to Commons, of which P18 for the basic image is just one. WD-FIST prompts the user to add signatures, plaques, pictures of graves and so on. There are a couple of hundred monograms, mostly of historical figures, and this query allows you to view all of them. commons:Category:Monograms and its subcategories provide rich scope for adding more.

And so it is generally. The list of properties linking to Commons does contain a few that concern video and audio files, and rather more for maps. But it contains gems such as P3451 for "nighttime view". Over 1000 of those on Wikidata, but as for so much else, there could be yet more.

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The[edit]

In the discussion that Ceoil said was over, I didn't question that Princesse was her title, nor that it even mattered. What I don't like is the English "The" attached to a title in French, - Princesse de Broglie would be fine, Portrait of the Princesse of Broglie would be fine, but I dislike The Princesse de Broglie. Just to make you understand. The discussion was declared over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

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BM image[edit]

160, Room 45

Hi John, do you have any other captures of this - would like to include in the main boxwood article, if a little less blurred. I think it might be bothersome, policy wise, if I was to use one of the images from their website. Ceoil (talk) 18:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, any other versions would have been worse! I'm a poor photographer with a very cheap camera, and apparently very shaky hands. I was in the room at Waddesdon Manor this came from on Friday, btw! Johnbod (talk) 18:32, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Hmm. Seems like I may have to pay a visit to the BM shortly, maybe even before x-mass ;) Re Waddesdon Manor, lucky you, look at the article it seems very impressive and Chardin always struck me as underappreciated, at least in English. Ceoil (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

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Greetings[edit]

It was good and interesting to meet you last night and don't worry you haven't offended the hurricane community. :P Jason Rees (talk) 15:17, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks for coming! A very enjoyable evening, I think for most. Johnbod (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 18 – 30 November 2018[edit]

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GLAM ♥ data — what is a gallery, library, archive or museum without a catalogue? It follows that Wikidata must love librarians. Bibliography supports students and researchers in any topic, but open and machine-readable bibliographic data even more so, outside the silo. Cue the WikiCite initiative, which was meeting in conference this week, in the Bay Area of California.

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In fact there is a broad scope: "Open Knowledge Maps via SPARQL" and the "Sum of All Welsh Literature", identification of research outputs, Library.Link Network and Bibframe 2.0, OSCAR and LUCINDA (who they?), OCLC and Scholia, all these co-exist on the agenda. Certainly more library science is coming Wikidata's way. That poses the question about the other direction: is more Wikimedia technology advancing on libraries? Good point.

Wikimedians generally are not aware of the tech background that can be assumed, unless they are close to current training for librarians. A baseline definition is useful here: "bash, git and OpenRefine". Compare and contrast with pywikibot, GitHub and mix'n'match. Translation: scripting for automation, version control, data set matching and wrangling in the large, are on the agenda also for contemporary library work. Certainly there is some possible common ground here. Time to understand rather more about the motivations that operate in the library sector.

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Transfer Printing Process[edit]

In the article on Transfer Printing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_printing) you added the line "Usually several different transfer sections were needed for each piece." However, none of the two provided references (Honey 6-7 and Savage 30) make mention of this. Would you be able to add a citation for this fact? 128.84.126.23 (talk) 21:38, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Some time, but the two photos of patterns both make this pretty clear. Johnbod (talk) 03:23, 13 December 2018 (UTC)