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DYK nomination of Sine Cerere et Baccho friget Venus[edit]

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If you still have contacts at the BM[edit]

If you still have dealings with the BM, can you at some point (decidedly non-urgent) ask them if they have any objections to releasing their copy of Una Alarmed into the public domain? Of the surviving copies I can find, this seems to be the highest quality, and as-and-when I get round to writing William Etty I'd like to use it as a good example of how Etty's followers (which in practice were just Frost and Millais) developed on his style. Commons has a b/w lithograph but I'd rather use a coloured version if possible. (The original cartoon seems to have vanished off the face of the earth; everyone else seems to think the V&A have it but they say they don't, and it doesn't appear in their catalogue.) I know under the WMF's morally dubious "faithful reproductions of two-dimensional public domain works of art are public domain" policy, Commons has already granted itself the right to steal from other peoples' websites, but I'm reluctant to do so, especially given that the BM is explicitly claiming copyright. – iridescent 14:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Iridescent: Hi, if you're interested in Etty, much of his archive and collection has ended up at York Art Gallery and the York Museum Trust where my GLAMwiki project is based, would love to help you improve his article if possible? What do you think? Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 10:41, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
PatHadley, I intend to wipe and rebuild from scratch his biography at some point; the current bio is largely plagiarised from his 19th-century DNB entry and is really not fit for purpose. (I recently removed some outright lies about a non-existent collection of his works in the NGS, but that's just scratching the surface; it still contains such gems as "he was famous for painting in the nude".) I want to get articles on his most significant works up and ready before I start on the biography itself; I have The Sirens and Ulysses, The Destroying Angel and Candaules complete, but I'd like to get a few more of the most significant works as stand-alone articles—and an adequate biography of Etty's sidekick William Edward Frost—to avoid having to discuss them in detail in the article itself. (Someone has just created an article on Youth & Pleasure, but it has a decent claim to be the poorest quality art history article I've ever seen, and I fully intend to overwrite it as if it had never existed.)
The current version of The Wrestlers has strange red streaking which isn't visible on the original, when viewed at resolutions above about 300px.
I'd be glad of help from the YAG, but would suggest the best approach would be if I rewrite the biography, and then turn it over to the YAG for any corrections/additions they want to make, rather than have multiple people trying to write at once. (Etty is a relatively easy topic from a Wikipedia point of view, as there have only been six significant academic works published on him in the last century, all of which are sitting on the shelf in front of me, so he's one of the rare topics where it's genuinely possible to meet the "thorough survey of the relevant literature" holy grail.)
One thing you could ask the YAG to assist with, if they're willing, is to re-photograph The Wrestlers. The version currently on Commons has something weird going on with the colour balance, making the reds far too intense and thus creating strange scarlet auras for the particiants (the effect is particularly noticeable at higher resolutions, if you zoom in on either of the wrestlers' heads—compare the version on the YAG's own website). The YAG do presumably already have high quality photographs of the piece, as there's a full-page illustration of it in the catalogue to their 2011 Art & Controversy exhibition.
It would also be helpful to ask if they have any upcoming events for which they'd like the various articles' TFA appearances held back; some of the more garish images like The Sirens and Ulysses will be pure clickbait in the TFA slot, and will have the potential to send quite a bit of traffic their way. Sirens and The Destroying Angel both got about 12,000 pageviews in the relatively ignored DYK slot—I'd conservatively estimate that in the more prominent TFA slot they'd get around 50,000 and 30,000 pageviews respectively.
(Feel free to reply on my talk, if you don't want to clutter John's talk page.) – iridescent 14:26, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

GM food RFC[edit]

Note about this RfC where you !voted or commented. I tweaked the statement to make it more clear that it is about eating GM food and health. I'm notifying each person who !voted, in case that matters to you. Sorry for the trouble. Jytdog (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Openwork[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 07:18, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Sine Cerere et Baccho friget Venus[edit]

Thanks for helping with the main page Victuallers (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to Peer Review[edit]

Hello. I noticed that you're active at the Maya FAC, and I wondered if you would be interested in providing some feedback at Wikipedia:Peer review/Chetro Ketl/archive1. RO(talk) 16:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Chape[edit]

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DYK for Pax (liturgical object)[edit]

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1953 chalk ware cameo[edit]

How much would this be worth HCHAMPI (talk) 06:20, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

No idea Johnbod (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

1953 chalk ware cameo[edit]

Bought at an estate sale for $5 for pair...looked expensive HCHAMPI (talk) 06:22, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Nainsukh[edit]

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Ednam[edit]

Normally I'd never link somewhere so obscure without at least a county or district, but Ednam is to Scottish poetry what St Ives is to English painting or Shildon is to heavy engineering. If it were anyplace with sensible boundaries, I'd have included and linked Roxburghshire to make it clear where it is, but our Caledonian cousins have in their wisdom messed about with all their county boundaries, and Ednam is now in Scottish Borders which would be a complete anachronism if included in a 19th-century article. We have exactly the same problem with places like Saddleworth (historically and culturally Yorkshire, but administratively Manchester, and thus by implication Lancashire), with places like Uxbridge which still consider themselves Middlesex even though they've been part of London for decades, and with the Lincolnshire half of Humberside. I used to have the same problem with disused railway stations as well; I never did find a satisfactory solution other than linking the town and leaving the county off, and that's before we get into the mess of places like Alsace or Königsberg. – iridescent 15:59, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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No - it isn't - see 19 June Johnbod (talk) 01:51, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Nainsukh[edit]

Thank you for your help (pass it on) Victuallers (talk) 12:01, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Toilet service[edit]

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DYK nomination of Eadwine Psalter[edit]

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Do you intend to perform the required QPQ review so that this nomination can be promoted? --Allen3 talk 13:17, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
revwd Template:Did you know nominations/Michael I Komnenos Doukas - sorry, forgot this was o/s Johnbod (talk) 13:37, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Dora Billington[edit]

Would you care to look at my message on the talk page there? Thanks. Pelarmian (talk) 15:10, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm just about to go away, so won't be able to do anything for a while. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 15:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Flemish Hunting Deck[edit]

Hi Johnbod, I noticed that on the page Flemish Hunting Deck you changed "Courtyears Hunting Set" to "Courtier's Hunting Set". Someone else made the same change a while back. You seem to know a bit about art so I hoped you can enlighten me because as a native speaker of Dutch: Hofjaren/Courtyears, hof=court jaren=years. But maybe I'm unfamiliar with a term here. Crispulop (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Courtier is a word in English but Courtyear isn't. What do years have to do with it? Johnbod (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Hofjaren is not an official word in Dutch either, that's why I provided a direct translation from the loose words. The Dutch word for courtier is hoveling, which hofjaren clearly is not a misspelling of. I'll scrap the translation from the article as it proves to be confusing and is not mentioned in the sources. Crispulop (talk) 17:03, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's best. Johnbod (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Art Jewelry Forum[edit]

Hello, I am working on a pet project to help digitize information about the field of metalsmithing+jewelry. I started with making a page for Art jewelry forum (AJF), and have a list of artists that I would like to make pages for as well. The AJF page has been nominated for deletion because it is questioned if the organization is "notable". I am reaching out to you because I saw that you edited some pages that relate to studio craft, and thought you may have an informed opinion (unlike the mathematician who nominated the page for deletion) about whether or not it is a "notable organization". If you have an opinion, one way or another, please way in on the articles for deletion discussion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Art_jewelry_forumClarefinin (talk) 20:41, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Travelling at the moment, but you need stronger independent refs. Johnbod (talk) 21:16, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Weimar culture[edit]

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Ok, I'm away at the moment - will respond over the weekend. Johnbod (talk) 06:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Peter Brook[edit]

Thank you for your kind offer of support. It was noted and appreciated by Kate Dorney (who thinks she has met you) and others, but it was all too hectic with just me and 12 trainees. You know how it is! Anyway there is still plenty of editing, expansion and article creation to be done to help justify their lottery funding - Wikipedia:V&A Peter Brook editathon, 20 July 2015. Edwardx (talk) 20:14, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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Elfshot[edit]

Thanks for revising the Elfshot page, Johnbod. If you don't mind, I'll do some more work on it, as I've done some of the main academic work on this area. But it'll involve citing some of my own publications, so I'd appreciate it if you'd then look the article over to see if you think I've got the balance right. Does that sound okay to you? Thanks! Alarichall (talk) 10:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. Just let mer know when to look. Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 15:40, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hi Johnbod. Now the dust has settled on the Maya civilization FAC, I just wanted to say many thanks for taking the time to review the article, and for supporting its promotion - after an epic haul it made FA at the weekend. Best regards, Simon Burchell (talk) 09:10, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations, again, on such a splendid article on a huge topic! I'm sure it seemed like it was going on forever, but I suppose its good that so many reviewers went into detail. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 13:09, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Eadwine Psalter[edit]

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Ceramic arts refs[edit]

Hi, good to hear from you, and thanks for weighing in. The issue on that article is that an editor doesn't want to know that the article needs reffing because, he argues, it's in summary style, so that's all right then. I hope he'll bow to the inevitable soon. As it happens, I started adding refs to wholly uncited sections, and, running out of time before hols, slapped a wholly justified tag on it, which was promptly removed. I put it back along with an open-and-shut case, which the guy is, remarkably, arguing with. Hence the sermon. I'm (as you know) pretty hands-on with reffing up articles and cutting out the WP:OR, but I don't recall ever coming across someone who boldly claimed it didn't apply to them! All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't think he means that - he adds lots of refs on other stuff. When there are lots of refs to more detailed articles, hopefully with their own refs, the need to ref up broad topical articles does become a bit less urgent, I think. Cheers, Johnbod (talk) 02:25, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

Word count at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Editor conduct in e-cigs articles/Evidence[edit]

It's fine to be a little over the limit; we usually don't enforce the limit by trimming until the user has been notified and chooses to do nothing for 24 hours. I didn't even notify you, so it was basically fine to begin with, but don't feel the urge to spend time making it exactly 500 words or whatever. Though I will note, usually people use the evidence space to present some diffs as well, not just a statement. Thanks. (Message made in capacity as an arbitration clerk.) L235 (t / c / ping in reply) 19:52, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Done now. I have added a few links, which I'm not counting towards the limit. Johnbod (talk) 20:06, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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Nomination of Extreme longevity tracking for deletion[edit]

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