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John Ling[edit]

I propose that you go ahead and get the John Ling article removed completely. It is clear that he and his supporters have been quite a nuisance. I can't believe you've allowed this prick to run around for so long with no consequences. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.152.218.193 (talk • contribs) .

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Moby Dick[edit]

Cool Cat made a statement on this request for arbitration and I commented on it, mentioning that I wanted to add evidence regarding Cool Cat's continued POV editing, and other violations in articles regarding Kurds, the Armenian Genocide and other related issues. Before I spend time on collecting and preparing the evidence, I would like to know if the ArbCom will actually consider any evidence against Cool Cat during this ArbCom case? I am not sure what the rules are regarding this, and before I make a lot of efforts collecting evidence, I would like to know what the rules are and what the position of the ArbCom is regarding this? Cool Cat is not mentioned as a "involved party" but he did make a statement regarding this case. -- Karl Meier 17:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The case has from the very beginning been very much about a conflict between Moby and Cool Cat, and just adding evidence can hardly be considered harassment... But anyway, I shouldn't waste your time with such details. Thanks for taking the time to make a good and useful reply. I appriciate it. -- Karl Meier 18:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changes in policy suggested[edit]

After my experience with the case of Dabljuh, where you made a comment I found helpful, I suggested some changes to the policies and asked to enforce those we already have: [1] [2] Socafan 18:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject User Page Help[edit]

Hi Johnleemk. I was wondering if you could relook your oppostion on the above MFD. Sam Blanning suggested that you relook it. Reason being Sam changed his vote and you stated "conditional delete per Sam Blanning". Thank you! — The King of Kings 04:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Bazzajf and the arb case...[edit]

I noticed you placed a note about IrishPunkTom's arb case on Bazzajf (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)'s talk page. Currently Bazzajf is serving under a week block for personal attacks on another editor. However, if you think it is important enough that he contribute (he has maybe 5 days left on the block) feel free to unblock him or tell me here and I'll unblock him. Thanks! Syrthiss 12:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I'll perhaps make a note of that on his talk page re submitting info by email (if your template message doesn't say that explicitly). Thanks! Syrthiss 14:52, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Trivia[edit]

"For the umpteenth time, NO TRIVIA". I have a problem with this statement. It sounds a bit like a frustrated parent. I always thought that Wiki was based on co-operation. Am I wrong on this?

andreasegde 15:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly feel that there is something amiss here...
"blatantly ignore a growing consensus among more experienced editors"
This sounds like a growing upper-class of editors that are controlling things. Does this mean that there is a hierarchy in Wikipedia? Uhhh... I hope not...
We all try to (hopefully) quote from reliable sources, or to tell the truth, which can be proven. No experience needed.
"trivia sections are a sign of poor writing ". If it is written well - albeit about trivial subjects - how can it be badly written?
Last question: (Please read my page to see how I feel about co-operation) but why does trivia seem to bother the "more experienced editors" so much, and make them so "frustrated"? It´s trivia, and it is trivial, after all.
How many times have you read the liner notes of an album/CD to see who thanked who, and who made the tea? I do it all the time (Laugh...)
Have fun. andreasegde 16:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


"especially if they agree very strongly about it". Who are they? This suggests a collective, does it not? Do you include yourself in this collection? (I´m not being angry, by the way, so you can smile if you want...)

Wikipedia doesn´t (mostly) use real names, so how do we know who "they" are? Am I missing something here? Have you ever read, "The Lord of the Flies"? Innocence can be perverted (please don´t misconstrue this)...

Have you ever read/heard the phrase, "We are all equal, but some are more equal than others"?


Have fun. andreasegde 16:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


If "lists are bad", then does that mean the deletion of album/CD lists? Presidential lists? Who came second in a race? Those are also lists, are they not?

I am the fifth child of six children, so does that mean I must delete myself because I am not the eldest child (who will inherit the estate), but am the fifth in the list? Am I trivial? (I´m laughing... :)) Have fun. andreasegde 17:05, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I´m sorry to have to write this, but I am shocked by your comments. Phrases such as, "We use", "the possibility exists for them to become an integral part", and "where I tend to stir up trouble for fun", are very troubling to me. Sorry, but they are.

The only reason I started writing for Wikipedia was because of its openess, and seemingly good sense of fair play. I now have the distinct feeling that "we" seems to be some kind of hidden club that decides on most things. It´s - scarily - a little like the idea of the "Thought Police". The "concensus" seems to be what "we" think, whoever "we" are. Can we join the concensus? To whom do we apply?

My original perception of Wikipedia as a wonderful way of people working together has now been thoroughly shaken, and stirred. If anything one contributes (factual or proven) is subjected to a higher echelon of one-sided "we don´t think so" criticism, or just outright ignored, then one question comes to mind, which is; why bother in the first place? Why not just write everything yourselves? Maybe that would preferable, laugh... :)

Have fun. andreasegde 22:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


What do you think about Crestville´s comment that he and three other editors, who have all been working on WP for a long time, disagree with you about your Trivia opinion? Count me in, by they way, but I´m just a beginner... If Trivia is not allowed on The Beatles page, then why have I seen Trivia sections on other pages, with no warning that it is not allowed? Hmmm...

If there is a concensus, then where is it? Who is it? How can we know what the concensus thinks when we´re not told what it thinks, except by your good self, of course :)

I intend to put a header on The Beatles dicussion page asking for anyone who contributes to decide if there should be a Trivia section. If enough people sign, would that be worthy of being the concensus? Probably not...

This is the problem with WP; a lot of people waste an awful lot of time discussing one little section; as we are doing. Is it really that important?

I suggest putting "NO TRIVIA" on the Wikipedia main page. Is that possible? It would save us both of lot of time (laugh...)

andreasegde 11:34, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Oh, by the way, this is on your front page: "If your appetite is not sated, you may also enjoy the Heavengames forums or Malaysia Today, where I tend to stir up trouble for fun."

andreasegde 11:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


I have just spotted this on the Marilyn Monroe page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe#Trivia

Why was that not deleted if it failed to comply with the concensus? Nobody complained about it on the discussion page. Good grief... I´m going grey...

andreasegde 18:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Check out The Beatles trivia; you might be surprised. andreasegde 10:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Afd for Ben_Burch[edit]

Even though you've already closed the AfD for Ben_Burch, I added info to the AfD page to indicate questions about a couple of the editors voting in support of keeping the article. In short, it appears there was sockpuppetry involved in the voting. Even though I don't normally edit an AfD after it is closed I believe the record needed to indicate that several of the editors were likely sockpuppets. Best, --Alabamaboy 16:26, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! Didn't know that would kick off such a stink (see this link). Anyway, I've instead added the notices to the talk pages of The White Rose Society (website) and Ben Burch. I do find it interesting that so many sockpuppets and mass swarms of anonymous editors are involved in anything to do with these articles. --Alabamaboy 19:17, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RuneScape holiday items[edit]

Although I'm an admin, I don't tend to deal with AFDs much, but considering Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Runescape Holiday Items, isn't RuneScape holiday items simply a recreation? It looks mightly odd, especially given that the first version is quite long and created less than two weeks after deletion. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sahaba's ancestors on deletion review[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Sahaba's ancestors. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. --Deathphoenix ʕ 20:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 3, July 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 003 – July 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • New article classification system, for our use and for Wikipedia 1.0. Very important and we need editor involvement. How can you help? Rate articles! It's easy:
    • Visit Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Article Classification and read about how to grade.
    • Visit Category:Unassessed Beatles articles and select an article to review.
    • After deciding what grade it should have, modify the invocation of {{WPBeatles}} on the talk page to add parms. The template itself gives you the parameters to use. For example, change {{WPBeatles}} to {{WPBeatles|B|Low}} if you think it's a low-importance, B-class article. Save your changes and make sure the talk page is now showing the ratings.
    • Click on the link in the template to edit the /comments subpage and explain why you rated the article the way you did. Don't forget to sign with ~~~~. Save that too.
    • Questions? Ask Kingboyk or Lar for help.
  • Want to stay up on new project developments? Watchlist all of the WikiProject pages plus The Beatles and each of the 4 members, to get a feel for what's happening. Also monitor and regularly review Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/The Beatles articles by quality log. If an article is listed on there as "added", go check the article's history. If it's new since the Project began add it to the Project Log as a new article and up the counter by one :)
Member News
Issue of the Month

Preparing articles for inclusion in Wikipedia 1.0.

From the Editors

It was a bit of a struggle to get this month's newsletter done, as we did it without a lead editor. Hopefully, next month you'll jump in and be our lead editor. Big news is that WP:1.0 is coming along nicely and our article classification system has changed to conform to it.

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King James Version of the Bible[edit]

Back in '04 you nominated this for FA. It's presently in the FARC section of WP:FAR. I'm doing my best to contact nominators, just to cover all our bases. You noted at the time "I've contributed only a couple of paragraphs worth of prose to it", so perhaps you can't fix it--now you know anyhow. Cheers, Marskell 17:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kat Shoob on deletion review[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Kat Shoob. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. --Deathphoenix ʕ 16:29, 7 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Template:Good article[edit]

hi, sorry to throw another DRV at you, but i hope you can take part in the deletion review debate for the above metadata template that puts a star on the article's mainpage (you voted in the original deletion debate). the vote is here Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2006 July 8 (scroll down for Template:Good Article section). thanks. Zzzzz 00:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Containerization: source of "26% of all containers originate from China"?[edit]

Hi John,

could you please point me ( ApfelmitBiss%at%macnews.de ) to the source of the 26% indication? I checked the article you referenced ( [4] ), but can't find that specific figure.

Thank you, Chris

Where have you gone?[edit]

John, have you "disappeared" without telling us? If not, please come back ASAP - you were one of two regularly-active Arbitration clerks, aside from Tony Sidaway. I don't want Tony to become over-burdened by your absence. 23:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Since you're an anon, I'll reply here. I am currently on an extended Wikibreak because I think Wikipedia has become a fucked up place to work in, and I have no desire to voluntarily contribute to a project which depresses me. (And I'm not referring to the internal politics, which are fairly easy to ignore if you want to.) I plan on returning to editing within a week or two...maybe more. As for clerking, we'll see. But right now, (un)fortunately, I am away. Johnleemk | Talk 16:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DRv: The Rabbit Joint[edit]

The Rabbit Joint on deletion review[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Rabbit Joint. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

I saw your stress meter, and it's not green. So I don't think this issue really requires your attention. I'm just following what the guidelines told me to do. But, just in case you're interested.... Xaxafrad 08:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jim the slave[edit]

In case you hadn't noticed, Jim the slave has been proposed for deletion. NickelShoe (Talk) 16:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

i want to register in that university[edit]

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WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 4, August 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 004 – August 2006

Issue of the Month

Despite it being the lead news article of last month, there is still help required in the assessing of articles and the migrating of comments. Lar is willing to provide assistance to those unsure how to do this.

Beatles News
  • The Beatles in the news. Suggestions: [5] [6]
Project News
  • The Beatles article, the "Flagship" of the Project, is currently under review with regard to its Featured Article status. It is hoped that the review will identify those areas that need some(/lots of) remedial work, and that the Project participants and those editors who are involved in the the FA admin pages to can work together to "save" the status of the article.
    • At the moment there is some discussion as to why it has been listed, and what may be needed to help it retain its FA status. It may well be that some work is going to be required in formulating a plan of action, and then some more in achieving those aims.
    • The FA status is obviously quite important to the Project, and it would be appreciated if participants are able to provide assistance in keeping the article up to standard. The editors would be grateful if those persons receiving this Newsletter could spare some of their time, energy and brainpower in keeping this jewel in our crown in its proper place. Please go to Wikipedia:Featured article review/The Beatles and get involved! Thank you.
Notable updates
Member News
From the Editors

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Pudgenet RfArb[edit]

Is there any particular reason why the Pudgenet case is in the "motion to close" section rather than the "recently closed" section. I ask because it's recieved four net close votes, I'm compiling the arbitration report, and I want to know in which section to put it. Thanks, David Mestel(Talk) 06:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So what should I list it as? --David Mestel(Talk) 07:16, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Johnleemk[edit]

I'm happy to see you back and editing. Best wishes, Tom Harrison Talk 17:48, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, really. I don't specialize in the same area as you, but I usually run into you a couple times. -- tariqabjotu (joturner) 19:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
same. Syrthiss 19:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images at Ketuanan Melayu[edit]

I'm not 100% sure what I'm being asked about, but I took a look at Image:Hisham Keris.jpeg. "I believe this qualifies as a fair use photograph where the issue of "Malay rights" is dealt with." isn't really the "detailed" fair use rationale that we're looking for, but, then again, a lot of that is already contained in {{HistoricPhoto}}. I see that it is being used in Portal space, which we're technically not supposed to do (although this "policy" is rarely enforced there). The most significant problem is that we don't seem to know who the copyright holder is. In terms of its use in Ketuanan Melayu, there could be a stronger argument that this image is necessary to understand the concept. If I were to take a guess as to why someone questioned its meeting Wikipedia:Fair use it would be that they were concerned about the lack of copyright holder information or that it wasn't absolutely obvious that it is a historically significant image.

Much the same could be said for Image:Protest against Malayan Union.jpg and Image:Gerakan celebrate after 1969 election.jpg. Image:Bumi discount mod.jpg is different; our use of this is very transformative, which is good from the legal standpont, but it isn't crystal-clear that the same information couldn't be conveyed by text, and the image seems to be larger than we need it to be, while at the same time being low-resolution enough that it is hard to make out the important details. Anyway, I'd focus on getting the copyright holder information sorted out, and then making it more clear that these photographs are in and of themselves significant. I'll note that we regularly let much more dubious Wikipedia:Fair use claims through WP:FAC. Jkelly 22:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't want to break out subarticles, then please just leave it intact; it would be better to have an overly long article than one that's lacking info. Everyking 03:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ketuanan Melayu[edit]

Hey John, sorry for the late response. I'm kinda busy with my new job. Anyway, I'll try to go through it slowly soon. Nice work though. __earth (Talk) 12:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unfinished work FAC[edit]

Thanks for your constructive comments at the Unfinished work FAC. I have attended to the article and hope that you like what has been done. Cheers, violet/riga (t) 12:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking it over again so quickly - it is appreciated. violet/riga (t) 13:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

She Loves You[edit]

She Loves You is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 28 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Conference of Rulers, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Nice one! Cheers --Srikeit (Talk | Email) 19:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 5, September 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 005 – September 2006

Beatles News
Project News
  • Unfortunately, the Featured Article badge on The Beatles was revoked. The article was immediately nominated for Good Article status, which it received later that same day. Project member Kingboyk said of the nomination, "I'm quite happy about it really, as I feel that GA is about where we're at and gives some incentive to work on the article."
  • We have a new category for Beatles articles needing attention. If you're looking for something to work on, the articles in this category and the subcategories need some TLC. To put an article in this category, tag its talk page with {{WPBeatles|attention=yes}}.
  • Kingboyk has given {{WPBeatles}} another major overhaul, and has assessed all of the Beatles articles. He would be grateful if other editors would leave comments on the state of articles, needed improvements and so on, by clicking the Comments link in the template. Also, feel free to revise the gradings—the assessments were done quickly, and article quality can change.
Member News
  • Liverpool Scouse has offered to take any desired pictures of the Liverpool area, upon request.
Issue of the Month

The featured article status of The Beatles was revoked.

From the Editors

A month of slow progress and some amazing efforts. Still need help getting comments shifted. Don't forget to log your accomplishments!

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Ketuanan Melayu[edit]

Congratulations! I thought you both did a tremendous job reducing the size of the article and defending the choice to avoid chunking off whole sections, and the result and the superb article that will appear on the main page are to your credit. Not that you need to hear it, but keep up the great work! --RobthTalk 05:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Msian vs. Msian Chinese[edit]

Please vote at Talk:Chinese_Malaysian#Vote. You opinion is appreciated. __earth (Talk) 02:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Commylegionvsfett.png listed for deletion[edit]

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Commylegionvsfett.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Fritz S. (Talk) 10:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Day in the Life[edit]

A Day in the Life is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. LuciferMorgan 19:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiEN-l password etc.[edit]

Done. I've sent the password on to your gmail address and changed the setup to point to that email address. - Mark 03:07, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Hard Day's Night (song)[edit]

A Hard Day's Night (song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 20:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article to be deleted[edit]

There is an article about Michael Song, an alleged Malaysian blogger. It is apparently written by himself (checked the history) and this is apparently a spam article. Moreover, the link the the blog is dead. Therefore I suggest this article be deleted. Sorry to bother you because I am not familiar with the wikipedia deletion process. Thanks!

I have put Sam Vaknin on deletion review[edit]

I notice that you took the final decision to delete user Sam Vaknin, Since that time, administrator Zeraeph, who was his most vociferous critic, has herself been suspended for Wiki violations and verbal attacks. I recommend that the decision to delete Sam Vaknin should be looked at afresh ignoring any previous input from Zeraeph and her sockpuppets. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Sam_Vaknin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Sam_Vaknin

I would be grateful if you can provide input on this deletion review. Thanks --Penbat 16:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 6, October 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 006 – October 2006

Beatles News
  • The site of the former Casbah Club, operated by Mona Best (mother of Pete) in the basement of her house, and where the nascent Beatles played and rehearsed, has been accorded Grade II Listed status following a recommendation by British Heritage.
Project News
  • Some Project articles are having their Featured Article status reviewed, and the comments are not encouraging. The articles are A Day in the Life and A Hard Day's Night (song). (She Loves You has already had its FA status revoked.) Please participate in the discussion and help improve the articles!
Member News
  • As usual, the self-effacing individuals who contribute to the Project are far too modest to mention any Barnstars or other awards they may have received. Obviously they feel their editing/contributing is reward enough.
Issue of the Month

The lead article of the Project recently lost its FA status, and now some of the other articles are being reviewed. Citations and references within articles are again the major concern. Contributors who have literature (books, magazines, links, etc.) are especially needed to provide the necessary citations. It is not enough for editors to know the facts; they need to be backed up by other sources. All help, both within the articles and the discussion, would be appreciated.

From the Editors

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Come back, Kingboyk! The children miss you!

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A Hard Day's Night[edit]

Hi, you contributed some time ago Image:Beatles-singles-a-hard-days-night-uk-1.jpg, supposedly representing the UK cover of A Hard Day's Night. Strangely Wikipedia also contains Image:Beatles - AHDN UK single.JPG, which is the same thing...but a different image. Which one is the real? Or am I missing something?--Chealer 04:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answer. I attempted to rectify the image description.--Chealer 02:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Get Back[edit]

Get Back is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 19:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson[edit]

Horatio Nelson, 1st Viscount Nelson is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 15:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I Want to Hold Your Hand[edit]

I Want to Hold Your Hand is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 23:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Ketuanan Melayu[edit]

I've moved all the discussion that seemed to be about the subject rather then the article to a new subpage. I hope you don't mind. If you want to revert or just delete the off topic stuff, you're welcome. I did it the way it was done because I generally prefer to keep talk page stuff, even if off topic. I considered a general archive but felt it best to move the other stuff away so to try and make it clear it's not desired especially as some of it might be a bit offensive to some people. Just thought it wise to do a cleanup before it's featured and people come and see what's been said and respond Nil Einne 01:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great job on this article, btw!

Recent edit to Economy of Malaysia[edit]

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Image:Cokebottles.jpg[edit]

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U.S. Congress questions[edit]

Hi. I responded to a couple of questions you had posted on talkpages regarding questions about U.S. Congress articles. I hope the information is helpful, and I added some of it to the articles themselves, so your questions were doubly useful. I contribute to some of those articles so let me know if there's anything else you're wondering about. Regards, Newyorkbrad 17:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter, Issue 7, November 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 007 – November 2006

Issue of the Month

Again, the issue of the month is inline citations. A Day in the Life, A Hard Day's Night (song), and Get Back have all been defeatured, as they failed to satisfy criterion 1(c) of What is a featured article?, and other song FAs are due for the chopping block. Inline citations are an important aspect of articles—they ensure verifiability and reliability, and they remove original research. Additionally, they give readers the option to read the original source material and view it within context.

Basically:

  1. All direct quotations attributed to Beatles members pooled from interviews need full inline citations.
  2. All critical comments about songs or albums need full inline citations to notable music critics, magazines opinions, or reviews, as opposed to being merely comments by Wikipedians.
  3. Inline citations need: author name, article name, publication date, and name of publication. Such info is still preferable even if quoting from an interview posted upon a website; when this is the case, place the URL link at the end of the citation with the date it was last accessed. (This will help editors retrieve the page using the Wayback Machine, should the link go dead in the future.)
Beatles News
  • The Beatles are due to release a soundtrack album, LOVE, at the end of November, as a companion to their Cirque du Soleil adaptation of the same name. It will feature remastered and remixed versions of their previously released songs, including some new medleys.
  • Paul's getting a divorce. Pain, arguing, and fighting abound.
Project News
  • The Wings tours are really nicely documented now (see Category:Wings tours), but Category:The Beatles tours is almost empty. Kingboyk and the rest of us would love to see (and read) articles on each Beatles tour, including the pre-fame tours of the UK—and the Hamburg trips, of course!
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney, involved in the Featured Article drive, as mentioned above.
Member News
  • Our project members are too modest to report any awards they may have given or received.
From the Editors

Wherever possible, editors should help to trim down on list-like prose within Beatles articles. They should convert list-like sections into fluent, cohesive prose which ties an article's sections together. Lists make articles disjointed, awkward, and difficult to read.

Be sure to take part in the Featured Article drive, and don't forget those inline citations!

If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 008 – December 2006). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing!

Contributors to this Issue
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Real Love (The Beatles song)[edit]

Real Love (The Beatles song) is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy (Talk) 18:53, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 19 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Malay Agenda, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 05:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May 13 Incident[edit]

Thank you for reverting my revert on May 13 Incident. I missed the fact that it was inside a quote. Hu 14:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 20 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hashim Suboh, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--LordAmeth 23:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Hishammuddin Hussein[edit]

Stating factual things are not wrong in any manner. The username is not slur only the person notice it is slur in his thinking. Like the PM said berani kerana benar. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by pukiumno (talk • contribs) .

Did you know?[edit]

Updated DYK query On 29 November, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sedition Act (Malaysia), which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 00:44, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Updated DYK query On December 6, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bangsa Malaysia, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello John. Thanks for your many Malaysian entries to DYK - happy editing !Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Updated DYK query On December 7, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hasnoor Hussein, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Hello again John. Thanks for improving our coverage of the Malaysian legal system! Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User Dchua[edit]

Thanks for the headsup. I will revert his edit. If he reverts my reversion, then I'd produce citation. __earth (Talk) 09:48, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter Issue 8, December 2006[edit]

WikiProject The Beatles Newsletter
Issue 008 – December 2006

Issue of the Month

Wikipedia's standards are improving all the time, with the result that many articles in The Beatles Wikiproject are being nominated for review of their FA and GA status - and many are losing that accolade. It is difficult, with such a large number of articles and the ease with which editors may make changes which are detrimental, to maintain the standard of articles, let alone improve them. As ever, members efforts are both appreciated and needed to keep the Project on course.

Beatles News
  • A Beatles compilation called "Love", featuring tracks remastered by George Martin (with his son Giles), has been released and has made number 1 in Canada.
  • The impending divorce between Paul McCartney and the former Heather Mills continues to make the pages in the tabloid press in the UK.
Project News
  • The hottest Project page this month has been Paul McCartney (see above and below).
Member News
From the Editors

If one is to be mercenary about the subject, it should be noted that Paul McCartney is going to be more noteworthy than usual in the near future as his divorce case comes to court. In that case it is great to note that a small group of Project Members (plus another individual who does not feel compelled to register himself despite important contributions) have worked very hard, and in an atmosphere of good humour, to take the McCartney piece to a succesful Good Article nomination. Perhaps this is the method to use for future articles, a small dedicated team concentrating on one subject at a time. Of course, all members are invited to join any existing group or even go about forming their own. Please note any such action in the Project Log.

If you've just joined, add your name to the Participants section of Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles. You'll get a mention in the next issue of the Newsletter and get it delivered as desired. Also, please include your own promotions and awards in future issues. Don't be shy!

Lastly, this is your newsletter and you can be involved in the creation of the next issue (Issue 009 – January 2007). Any and all contributions are welcome. Simply let yourself be known to any of the undersigned, or just start editing!

Contributors to this Issue
Want to help on next month's newsletter? Don't want to receive these in future? Don't want it subst'd next time? – It's all here.

DYK[edit]

Updated DYK query On 15 December, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Article 10 of the Constitution of Malaysia, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Yomanganitalk 16:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Updated DYK query On December 21, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Printing Presses and Publications Act, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

- Thanks again for the Malaysian law items John. Happy editing, Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request[edit]

Dear John,

I noticed that you have a lot of experience with getting articles to FA status. I have been working on the Ohio Wesleyan University page article and am trying to get it to FA status. I was wondering if you could provide some advice on how the article can be improved? Also, any contributions to it will be even more appreciated! Thank you so much for your time! I greatly appreciate it! WikiprojectOWU 01:54, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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