User talk:Jon513/Archive 1

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Temurah Spelling[edit]

I'm not sure about the spelling of Temura-Temurah? I gravitate towards the 'e'-less spelling though I do hear a svara (reasoning) for the 'e'-ful spelling. We should probably standardize it with the rest of the transliterations on wikipedia. Or at least make a redirect. (Anything to keep people off the other Temurah article--what is that stuff? Maybe it should be put up for articles for deletion for being a bogus hijacking of a real word) Mdanziger 21:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

afd is not a toy. I look in to the speelling. I think project judaism talks about stuff like that, yeah see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Hebrew) Jon513 22:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProjects and more[edit]

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia! I thought you might be interested in joining WikiProject Judaism or WikiProject Jewish culture. I've notified the former of your Template:Infobox Halacha.

At the same time, I have noticed you are changing biblical references to a more standard form. You may be interested in {{bibleverse}} which you can use as follows to link to a Hebrew-English version of the source (as specified by HE)):

{{bibleverse|2|Samuel|5:6|HE}} or [[Book of Samuel|Samuel]] {{bibleverse-nb|2|Samuel|5:6|HE}}

2 Samuel 5:6 or 2 Samuel 5:6

You may also want to add yourself to Category:Jewish Wikipedians.

Again, welcome!

jnothman talk 00:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

hey check out the judaism portal that's what we need for halacha et al.

Mdanziger 18:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

New userbox[edit]

en This user understands but refuses to speak Yeshivish.

Mdanziger 12:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Jewish views of Jesus[edit]

Hi Jon. I think you've done a lot of good work on the article. What it really needs now, though, are citations; specifically, different religious leaders and/or Jewish movements need to have their views cited directly. In reality Jews have all sorts of views about Jesus, and in order to avoid having the article descend into a morass of personal opinion, it would be best to quote the various critical thinkers (e.g. Nachmanides, Maimonides) and movements (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform) directly. Jayjg (talk) 17:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that would be good, but even better would be to source specific claims to pages in the various sources. Jayjg (talk) 19:44, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Nice work. And thanks for the review request on my talk page. I like it. FT2 (Talk) 22:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

capitalize halakha[edit]

Quick question - why are you capitalizing the word Halakha everywhere? It's not a proper noun, and I don't see why it should be capitalized. --Bachrach44 03:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Melachot updates[edit]

Nice. There's still a ways to go, but thats a huge improvement. Nice. Reuvenk[T][C] 00:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Relevance Beis Yaakov[edit]

Hi Jon513: The reason why I added Beis Yaakov to Negia and Yichud -- as well as Yichud -- (and vice versa) is because Beis Yaakov is where the formal education begins for women about these laws in the Haredi world. Where else is it taught en masse? In public schools? IZAK 18:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


A new editor is making rather bold claims about Judaism's view of Jesus, and also insisting he knows Jesus' Hebrew name. Could you possibly take a look at Talk:Jesus#Hebrew_name_of_Yehoshua_or_Yeshua and Talk:Judaism's view of Jesus? I'd appreciate it. Jayjg (talk) 17:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


Shalom ubraja, i change because woman masturbation is not allowed too, so "masturbation is not allowed" is in general. Kol tuv Bresolver 01:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC) Take a look on the shulchan aruch and the poskim, woman masturbation is something very bad.

Shushan Purim[edit]

I orginally created it as there was a request on WikiProject Judaism from IZAK that it should be created see here. If you believe that it isn't needed as a stand alone article and others agree, I have no objections to it being merged. --Eliezer | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 21:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Welcome subst'ing[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out, I must have double-clicked in AWB Cynical 19:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Public Domain[edit]

Re our previous conversation: check out what a balagan this really is: public domain Mdanziger 17:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Judaism's View on Jesus[edit]

Shalom Jon!

   I totally respect your right to opinions, and disagreement, etc. 

However, I feel that the article shows a one-sided bias over a very complex, and controversial subject.

"that not everything that a Jew believes is Judaism's view."

Right. However, what is "Judaism's view"? Within every religion, there are 1,000 of opinions. I agree with your distinction between "Jewish views" and "Judaism's view", but Judaism is comprised of Jews, of whom you well know that where there are two in a room, there are three opinions. Now, what may be more accurate, would be to say, "Orthodox Judaism believes . . ., Mainstream Judaism interprets . . ." etc. On a subject like this, it is important to include minority views, or you will never truly represent the entire spectrum on the subject.

Respectfully, Ben

--- Thanks for the discussion, however, I don't think I was using "weasel words", as reviewing the history, I think I made it pretty clear where I'm getting my information (I love collecting ancient Jewish texts like the Talmud, Midrashim, and Zohar, etc.) After saying, "there is a concept in Judaism", the next sentence says,

"This concept is applied strikingly to the Messiah in a 9th century Jewish text, Pesikta Rabbati (Piskas 36, 37), and in the Zohar (Vol II:212a, Soncino Press Edition)"

I think that cites the source pretty well. I would be happy to provide quotes. The article says it is not a Jewish concept for one to die for the sins of another, however, as cited above, the Messiah suffers for the sins of Israel, this concept is found in Pesikta Rabbati (Piskas 36-37, I have the text), along with the Zohar, and there is another reference in the Midrash on Psalms (I cannot provide that quote right now, as my books are all boxed up in the garage of a new house I'm moving into, B"H). So the concept of vicarious suffering IS in Judaism.

Thanks For Your Welcome[edit]

I still don't get it, lemai nafka mina how or where I sign...just kidding in yeshivish, anyway, a Gut Shabbat. --Zadil 15:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Refael Shapiro Gaon edit[edit]

Hi Jon, thanks for editing the stub on Refael Shapiro. However, I believe you may have been mistaken in changing the Gaon link to the Geonim link, as while the former is widely used as a mark of respect to great Rabbinic scholars, the latter is only used to refer to a specific set of individuals living in a certain era of time. Hence I have changed the link back to Gaon. Please discuss if you feel otherwise Nesher 21:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit war over Carlebach "allegations"[edit]

Hi Jon513:I am not making much headway with User:Ckessler at Talk:Shlomo Carlebach#Allegations, yet again. I have placed this message on her page, and she is going for mediation, but I have yet to see where.

Hi Ckessler: You are on the borderline of breaking the Wikipedia:Three-revert rule in the Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach article, see [1] I do not wish to revert you a third time today. Twice is enough for me, I have no choice but to wait another 24 hours to do so. You are treating hearsay and gossip as if they were the legal equivalants of allegations in a duly constituted court of law. A number of admins who know something about this subject will be contacted, to advise how we should proceed. Your refusal to discuss to resolve this matter on the article's talk page is disappointing.

Your input into this matter would be highly appreciated. Thank you. IZAK 09:21, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-23 Shlomo Carlebach[edit]

Also add your comments at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-03-23 Shlomo Carlebach. Thank you. IZAK 10:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)



Thanks for your kind note and for the good reasons to prefer using Template:bibleverse to a direct link to Machon mamre. I will start making that change. Thanks again. Bill Dauster 00:38, 26 March 2006 (UTC)


See latest attempts at putting dubious "Yeshua" in intro again... --MPerel ( talk | contrib) 09:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Re egg disambiguation[edit]

Thank you for visiting the page of Spot Swallowtail (one of the pages I am steward of and disambiguating egg. I have noted this aspect for wikifying existing articles in future as also while establishing new stubs. Thanks. AshLin 00:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

re: template bibleverse[edit]

Sorry. It was my fault. Silly mistake and fixed. jnothman talk 01:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Private information[edit]

I wouldn't worry about the anon who left his email around. It would have been different if it was potentially damaging or libellous, in which case deletion should indeed take place. To be sure, Wikipedia does not allow spidering of the page histories by bots. JFW | T@lk 21:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


Ok, Jon, I published the reference article to HaRav HaNazir David Cohen z"l on the Nazirite website. Check it out and get back to me, but don't delete it. That is just wrong and defaces his holy memory. -Ra'anan

Passover and Christianity[edit]

Hi Jon, I hope you had a great Pesach!: Please see the new discussions, and add your views, at Talk:Passover#Passover in the Christian tradition, again. Thank you. IZAK 04:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

thanks for your help[edit]

Hey Jon,

Thanks for your help in accurately building the Nazirite webpage. I would like to add more details about the Rav HaNazir on the Nazirite webpage so that it will interest the viewer in the personality of this Tzaddik.

Brachot, Ra'anan

my user ID[edit]

As requested, here is my user ID.


Category:Orthodox rabbis[edit]

Hi Jon: You may want to take a look at the latest developments at Category talk:Orthodox rabbis. All the best. IZAK 06:22, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Feminist Partnership Minyan[edit]

Hi Jon: Please look at the article itself and its edits and the talk at Talk:Partnership Minyan. Thanks. IZAK 08:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Rabbi Shach's fame and Chabad[edit]

Hi Jon: Could you take a look at the article and recent edits, and add your comments at Talk:Elazar Shach#Rabbi Shach's fame and Chabad. Thanks. IZAK 08:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Unjust VfD of Berel Wein[edit]

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Berel Wein. Shabbat Shalom ! IZAK 12:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week[edit]

Hi Jon513, I've created an Orthodox Rabbinical Biography Collaboration of the Week. I'd love to see your comments, improvements, amendations and nominations, preferably all on the discussion or the actual page there. Many thanks, Nesher 17:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

True Torah Jews[edit]

Hi, I posted a defense of the article True Torah Jews, I would like to ask you to be so kind and read it, and than rethink your position on deletion.

Bloger 00:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeshu et al.[edit]

Thanks, Jon. As I mentioned on Talk I'm way over my head theologically (but trying to learn). I'd be grateful if you correct any errors I may have inadvertently introduced in my effort to expand the article and make it more comprehensive, less argumentative, and more logically structured. Best, Kaisershatner 14:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Judaism's view of Jesus[edit]

Okay, I have a picture for you, Jon513. It's Image:Jesusinjosephus.jpg, a woodcut by John C. Winston used in an old copy of Josephus that I've just uploaded for you. — The Man in Question 20:24, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S., you should read the article on Josephus on Jesus, and add a little about that into yours.

I have a lot more to say, too. See Wikipedia:Peer review/Judaism's view of Jesus/archive1.

Avi Weiss[edit]

I have created the artcile Avi Weiss, perhaps you would be interested in expanding it. Jon513 16:33, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

And how. :-). I guess you noticed he'd been on my todo list for a while, and your kick in the rear was what I needed to finally get going. I've added a lot of info, but my prose is, as usual, not exactly worthy of a pulitzer, so some cleanup is probably necesarry, but I'm glad it finally got out there. --Bachrach44 02:21, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Nazirite on Wikipedia[edit]

Jon, it looks fine, but once again I think we need to elaborate a bit on the Rav HaNazir and his relationship with "Naziritism" in the 20th century.

I may go back and write another piece, but please don't remove it next time, or at least discuss it with me.


Pope Pius XII[edit]

Thanks for your comments at the peer review. I think I addressed all of them except for the one about the Beer Hall Putsch. Could you be more specific about what type of context you'd like to see? savidan(talk) (e@) 00:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Just learning how to reply to people on Wikipedia[edit]

Jon, thanks for the warm welcome. lol I thanked you on MY talk page but that's because I am just learning how to walk around here... you know that...

Thanks again and I look forward to discussing many things with you and your cohorts... Rivka 17:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Orthodox rabbis categories for deletion[edit]

Hi Jon: Please see and vote at

  1. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Haredi rabbis
  2. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Religious Zionist Orthodox rabbis
  3. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 23#Category:Contemporary Orthodox rabbis
  4. Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 May 24#Category:Modern Orthodox rabbis

Thank you and Shabbat Shalom! IZAK 12:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


About removing external the link from Nazirite Jon, couple of questions:

  • 1. How long have you been a Nazirene for?
  • 2. How long did you spend reading the articles on the external website?

Michael.Pohoreski 21:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

In response to your reply on User talk:Michael.Pohoreski -- it's not a Christian website either, but some kind of spiritualist thing that seems only vaguely connected to either Christianity or Judaism via some borrowed terminology only. You were perfectly correct to remove the link. TCC (talk) (contribs) 22:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


Just a note to commend your helpful and constructive edits to Jewish-theme articles. Thank you for replacing the ice cream picture with the blintzes for Shavuot. I was going to use that picture, and I thought they looked like cheese blintzes, but the caption the photographer provided was vague. It would be nice to have a picture of greenery in the synagogue or home to illustrate the infobox. Yoninah 09:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

recent conversion from Template: bibleref to Template: bibleverse[edit]

as a result of the recent template conversion, multiple verse listings no longer work, for example:

Matthew 12:23,28

only returns Matthew 12:23

compare to:

Matthew 12:23,28 01:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This can be easiler corrected by changing it to {{biblverse||Matthew|12:23}},{{bibleverse-nb||Matthew|12:28}} but as you haven't told what page this mistake was made I have no way to correct it. Jon513 14:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Probably every page that you have made this change to has this mistake. This is a common way to reference bible verses, the bibleref template worked correctly, your "improvement" to the bibleverse template does not. 19:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I am checking them now, I have not found any simmalar problems. If you would like to see why bibleref was deleted see Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_May_17. Jon513 19:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Reference Desk[edit]

Hey hey! I think you might want to change one of your '[' to a '(' in your answer on the reference desk to the person who was asking about the meaning of life. Just in case you missed it. I'd edit it myself, but I don't like it when people mess with my comments. Skittle 15:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

subst'ing the JBook of Why template[edit]

Slight problem--For whatever reason it doesn't work inside the <ref> tags. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Karimarie (talkcontribs).

It's not a huge problem, just a lack of a convenience. Kari Hazzard (talk | contrib) 19:34, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Disputed section in Nazirite[edit]

Did you add {{Disputed-section}} to Nazirite#Nazirites and the New Testament for any particular reason? That template invites discussion on the talk page, and discussion would be useful in any event to know what your problem with it is. TCC (talk) (contribs) 18:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


check this out, 1337, you may find it interesting. Mdanziger 22:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Brit Milah[edit]

Hi Jon,

Could you take a look at the Problematic paragraphs in 'By Mouth' subsection of the Brit Milah talk page? Bloger of True Torah Jews fame is trying to make a reference available, but no one is really able to help him out. Dbratton 22:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, for helping out I am satmar and I am absolutely not an anti-Semite in any way g-d forbid.
BTW since you’re Jewish and you can read Hebrew (as is said on your user page) maybe I can e-mail you the Sdei Chemed and you can verify and correct the way its written or even better post it for everyone to see for themselves.
In any event thank you very much.
Bloger 17:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Can someone explain to Jbolden1517 that he’s off his tracks. he keeps on deleting the entire article about Metzitzah because he doesn’t like my edits about an organization on a complete different subject, and he cant get it thru his head that I didn’t write the article except for one part (even if I did he’s wrong on deleting it because his personal feelings) he doesn’t now anything about brit milah as is evident of his deleting of the entire section and yet feels comfortable in editing it.
Besides he keeps on attacking me and others with slanders attaches and then deletes the complains from his talk page to make it looks nice and clean (check out the history)there should be a consequence for people like that who put there own filings above the concept of putting useful info out as is the goal of wikipedia
Bloger 19:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Nonstandard page[edit]

Look at the end of Hacker Emblem at the external links--is any of that fit for the main page? I didn't just get rid of it because it seems like some of it may be content. Check it out. Mdanziger 12:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Jerusalem Art, Music And Culture Event Calendar - Why not?[edit]

Haketem 13:27, 18 June 2006 (UTC) Hi Jon, Why are you deleting the site for Art, Music and Culture Events in Jerusalem? - ?

I have reverted the link you added to the article Jerusalem because I do not believe that it meets wikipedia high standards for external links. Please see Wikipedia:External links to read about those standards. If you feel that I am mistaken please do not add the link again, instead explain why on the talk page of the article. Jon513 14:47, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

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