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TRHS[edit]

Hi Jon. I've repeated your request at WP:SCHOOLS on the article tp. The article looks very good already - probably due to your experience in working on FAs. I'll not do much to it because it's the sort of thing I would pick out of the GAC list, and I would like to remain neutral if I were to review it. I'll be watching it closely though. --Kudpung (talk) 05:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I will have some other editors look it over and see what else they would suggest before taking it to GAN and hopefully more editors will have a look at it. --JonRidinger (talk) 12:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
I have finished my review. You obviously put a lot of work into the article, and I appreciate its neutral tone. I have placed it on hold. Racepacket (talk) 09:46, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
I ran the dead link report, and it flagged the two refs as problems. The third ref should be marked subscription only. I agree that the lead paragraphs should summarize the article. However, fine details like the school colors are not sufficiently important to be included. The lead of the Abraham Lincoln biography can certainly mention that he was killed, but should not describe the decor of the room where he was shot. See, WP:LEAD Racepacket (talk) 18:45, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
Where do we stand? Do you have any further specific questions for me? I will re-read the article to assess your changes. Thanks. Racepacket (talk) 03:51, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
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Kent State alumni[edit]

I am watching and left a note on the IP's talk page. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 22:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

GAN[edit]

Since I see you are doing GANs, do you have time to review Los Angeles Daily News (historic)? I would be happy to do one of yours, or else to do another at random.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:51, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

I gave it my first go with two college articles, so I will have a look. I'm actually exploring what to do about the 2nd nomination of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas article. I failed it just 2 days ago and while some history and additional content was added in the meantime, it basically still has the same problems. I'm wondering if it should get a quick fail (it has a citation style tag on one section) or if the nomination should be removed. I'm not totally sure which would be best, but it won't pass GAN and if 11 days wasn't enough for the changes to be made the first time, I don't see what the point of a 2nd nomination will do.
I don't have any in GAN at the moment. I'm looking for additional eyes to go over the article Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio) and see what needs to happen to get it ready for FAC. Any opinions/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:56, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I would post the UNLV question on WT:GAN so that most of the regular reviewers there are made aware of the issue. I have done a few GA reviews, but it has been a while since I last did one. While I agree with your idea of a quick fail, it might be better at this point to have input from the greater GA reviewer community.
I will be glad to look at the high school article - have you opened a peer review for it? If not can you please let me know where to review it (will there be a PR, or on the article talk page)? It will take me a few days. The Judd School, School for Creative and Performing Arts, and Avery Coonley School are three recent school FAs that might be useful models. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 16:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I carried out the changes on the article that you requested. I uploaded a fair use cover image and did some c/es. Have a look and see what you think. Regards, Wackywace converse | contribs 20:01, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

You should weigh the "fail" vs. "hold" decision carefully. It takes 2-3 months for a reviewer to get to an article, so that leads me to lean toward "hold" if the editors are willing to work with the reviewer. Since you have "failed" the article, I would suggest letting someone else have a chance to review the article. That decision may automactically impose a serious delay. Some articles need 3 or 4 GA reviews before making it, and the article benefits from having different reviewers weigh in. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 10:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

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List of Later-day Saints[edit]

While I do appreciate that the distinction is made at the beginning of the article, I do not feel it is sufficient enough. I also feel that the names of leaders of any religion other than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should not be included in an article titled "List of Latter-day Saints." There is a reason why there are other articles titled "Former Latter-day Saints," "Community of Christ," "Rigdonite," etc. It would be entirely appropriate to include those names of leaders on their respective sites and it also means that the lists I have been trying to delete are not lost on Wikipedia forever. I understand that they are "related" and the fact that each one of these movements is identified on the article for the mainstream LDS church does not bother me because it pertains to the history of the church, but these leaders are not "famous" LDS members/former members. I would even understand including the very first leader of each separate movement, but not each leader those movements have ever had because once they made a distinction between what they believe as opposed to what the LDS church believes, they would no longer consider themselves Latter-day Saints either. Please, if there is someone else I can communicate with, let me know because (as you've probably guessed) I am fairly new to this, but I do feel strongly about this that I would like someone to consider my opinion. Babyd2009 (talk) 02:20, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Roosevelt article[edit]

I think that the school colors do need to be well cited because this is much controversy over what the actualy school colors are. I thnk you dearly for your consideration on this issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty5225 (talkcontribs) 03:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

There is no controversy as they are clearly visible in the pictures that are in the article. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The fist picture is back and white how is it clear that any red exists? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty5225 (talkcontribs) 04:29, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The word was changed to increase readability I find using a search engine very resaonable when one word reveals multiple times more results than the other. You said that razed is commonly used I am not aguing this fact I am arguing that demolished is much more commonly used and would increase understandability. Thank you for your understanding —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty5225 (talkcontribs) 05:04, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I am sorry you could not prove which occurred and in reality they all three probably did occur and I would like to reiterate that I do not think that razed is not used I just believe that demolished is used more often and that I felt doing a simple search on both words which you said are interchangeable would give a good view of which is more common in the English language. After conducting this search I found that demolished revealed many more results and I do not believe that the number of results is important but the ratio of results is indeed important because if a word is used twice as often as another it could be deduced that that word is used more often and known by more people. So if we could please settle and change the word to demolished I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qwerty5225 (talkcontribs) 05:17, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
"Razed" is a perfectly good word in the English language. Answering one of your comments, Wikipedia does not have to be written to be understood at all age levels and education levels. That would be the Simple English Wikipedia. Razed is more specific to buildings than demolished is, and has a stronger sense of intention. --Beirne (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Enrollment[edit]

This is not vandalism. Do you count the students daily? Kent4Eva (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kent4Eva (talkcontribs) 04:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, well the "most recent statistic" is that I am not there. 1,336-1=1,335 Kent4Eva (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kent4Eva (talkcontribs) 04:28, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Why is the "statistic" even up there if it is not currently accurate? Should you not cite it as being an outdated fact in the article so that people are not confused by it as I was? Also, The other editing going on on this page at this moment is driving me nuts. I keep trying to find the revisions having to do with my issue, and I keep seeing QWERTY's. He is also right, by the way. I got far enough in English to know that the two are interchangeable. You are both right, so please, both of you, stop arguing. Kent4Eva (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kent4Eva (talkcontribs) 04:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
I did not say it had to be changed. I just said that you guys are arguing over a synonym, and it is not necessary to do so. I was just annoyed because the two of you are just going back and forth and making it difficult for me to find your talk page. As with the enrollment issue, it should be clearly cited that the statistic is for the 09-10 year and not current. It confused me, so I am sure it has confused others. I just happen to know for a very certain fact that there is one less adolescent to grace RHS with my smile (and my rusty Corolla) every morning.Kent4Eva (talk) 04:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── my point is that changing a word for the sake of changing it is not a good reason. And yes, after the enrollment number it says "(2010)" so that it is clearly dated (the report came out in August 2010). --JonRidinger (talk) 04:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

It may be cited as being from a 2010 report, but please then edit it t reflect the fact that the actual reported number is from last year. The enrollment of a high school fluctuates drastically from year to year, and this may cause confusion. I am not an expert with the Wikipedia rules, so I do not know how this edit should be made, but I am asking you to make this change for me. You seem to be the editor of the page so I am submitting a request for it to be clarified. Also, once again, please do not talk to ME about changes being made by this Qwetry guy! I don't care what you guys talk about, but I am trying to discuss the enrollment with you, and you are blowing me off.Kent4Eva (talk) 05:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Again, in the infobox, after the number 1,336, there is a "(2010)" to indicate that the number is from 2010. In the article itself, the sentence reads "As of 2010..." That is standard for Wikipedia and for any published source that uses a type of population number. The enrollment is never static, but to constantly update it would be overly picky and unnecessary. The point is to give an accurate, not necessarily precise, view of the enrollment. As for changing "drastically" every year, it really doesn't. It's largely the same year to year within 100 either way. 10 years ago the enrollment was right about the same as it is today. "Drastically" would be something like dropping or going up by a large percentage (like a couple hundred people or more). Changing from 1,342 (2009 enrollment) to 1,336 is not "drastic". The last "drastic" enrollment change was in the 1960s and 1970s when Kent's population increased by a large percentage (like near 60%). --JonRidinger (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
The text of the article is clear that it is 2009-10. The problem is that the infobox parameter is different, although technically compatible with the article. Many states have an enrollment census on the first week of school and then do another a month later with the second being used to compute state aid. I suspect that even though the report was dated 2010, it was probably based on Sept 2009 or October 2009 data. The best solution would be to add a footnote to that infobox item. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The text of the article states "through the 2009-2010 school year" meaning after the school year. Nothing in the report states exactly when the enrollment data was collected, so we can't speculate based on other states or situations. It is also labeled as "average daily enrollment" suggesting it is not a beginning-of-the-year census. The bottom line is that if anyone dated the data it would be dated as "2010" since that's when it was released (more specifically August 2010). Personally I think it's geting a little picky between having "2009-2010" or "2010" in the infobox; the point is to let the reader know how recent the numbers are. If you feel there is a clarity problem between the text and the infobox, I'd just change the article text. I wrote "Through the 2009-2010 school year" to avoid another use of "As of 2010..." which is already quite frequent. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Whatever way school roll is counted in the USA, let us not forget that there are also tens of thousands of articles here about schools in other countries. The rational presented by Jon is logical and is the same that I apply to the hundreds of school articles that I patrol, repair, devandalise, update, and write. I tend to round the figures up and down using common sense as seen from an encyclopedia reader's angle. Anyone needing more precise information can contact the school or the local authority.--Kudpung (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
This makes adding a ref to the enrollment parameter of the infobox all the more important. Racepacket (talk) 01:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. Because it is cited in the body of the article, citing in the infobox isn't necessary. I'm not seeing what the problem is here to be honest...--JonRidinger (talk) 02:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Also, in regards to the "2009-10" to me, it looks awkward in the infobox. The number in parenthesis should show the year the data comes from. It would be one thing if it were a 2005 report released in 2010, but this is a report that was completed in 2010, therefore simply putting "2010" is more than sufficient. The fact that some of the data was collected at the end of 2009 is more of a detail rather than an important fact. If people want to know the finer details of the state report cards, the link is available. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:29, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
It makes the adding of a ref to the infobox even less important. An infobox is provided as a quick overview. It should not offer any information (except perhaps street address) that is not treated in depth in the article. Approximations are fully in order for infoboxes, and it neither necessary nor aesthetsic to clutter them up with references because the ref will already have been supplied in the text and supplied by either the local authority, the state school inspection board, or failing those, the school itself. If a school article is complete and well written, it's history will mention the evolution and growth of the size of the school over time. It can be taken for granted that the figure in the infobox was correct at the time the diff was posted, if the author was doing his/her research correctly. Kudpung (talk) 02:55, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Hi Jon, I've sent out a friendly request to everyone to continue talking about this school on its tp. It's not fair using your kitchen as a chat room, and anyway, with so many people involved, the discussion now needs centralising. --Kudpung (talk) 04:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I did already post there, though there really aren't that many people involved. It's you, me, and Racepacket. Kent4Eva hasn't edited since the initial edit that I reverted (though we had a discussion about it) and Qwerty's edits were not related to the enrollment; they were mostly centered around the use of the word "razed" in the history section. If you look at the edit history of the article and the discussion that followed, Kent4Eva was simply editing the enrollment because he no longer attends the school, not because of any type of disagreement with or questioning of the source. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Jon. I meant it generally, not necessarily for any specific topics that may arise about the school. It's just that as you did such a magnificnt job on it, you are the magnet for any discussion. It used to happen a lot on my tp too until I put a banner on the top. What I'm secretly hoping is to drum up some support for the WP:WPSCHOOLS project, and that's why anything about schools shows up on my watch list. We have over three hundred (300) members and only 2 (two) of then are active on the project itself!--Kudpung (talk) 05:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
OK thanks for clearing that up. I'm kind of surprised this particular issue has even come up. It just seems so trivial to me, I don't see the point of changing it from what it was. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:05, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree entirely, and your's isn't the only trivial issue that's being discussed to death, there's also one here Template talk:Infobox UK school about the infobox template itself. The most recent statistic is that although the schools project has 327 'members', I'm the only one who has been actively working on it for months! I've written a newsletter that I will be publishing soon.Kudpung (talk) 00:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikipedia is full of trivial matters I've noticed. I'm all for accuracy and clarity, but sometimes we get a project or a preference and think that's the way everything has to be. Thanks for your work...I was kind of in a semi-retirement "maintenance" break until the edits came up on the Roosevelt article. I try to update and help articles as I see them (I cleaned up a few New York school articles that were full of crap). The Roosevelt article is the first article I ever started from nothing on Wikipedia, so I'm sure some would accuse me of article ownership. Even then, the edits by Kent4Eva and Qwerty didn't surprise me, but this has, not only that it initially happened, but that it's taken this much time to explain. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving![edit]

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Kent/Census[edit]

Just wanted to let you know that the 2010 Census should be coming out on New Year's Eve Night. Not sure what time, but that's what the Census website said. Other information is being spaced out from then to 2013 and further. :( But the population stuff is coming out New Year's Eve Night. Just some FYI. - NeutralhomerTalk • 01:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I saw your note at the cities project talk page too. I guess the benefit of it coming out over time is that we won't have to update all demographics sections all at once, we can update them as each data set comes out. Fun fun. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that is true. Most of the big information will happen this year, so this will be the big year for editing cities and towns. Might need to get a re-read on the Spoken Word version of the article I just had done. Check it out, it is at the top (see the "speaker" icon) and at the bottom. It sounds awesome. - NeutralhomerTalk • 02:00, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

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Establishments for Franklin Township[edit]

Replied at the talk page; I don't think it wrong to have multiple establishment categories. Have a happy Christmas :-) Nyttend (talk) 13:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings![edit]

Artsy Christmas Tree.jpg <font=3> Merry Christmas / Happy Holidays, Happy New Year, and all the best in 2011! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:43, 26 December 2010 (UTC) Buttonwood Bridge Panorama 1.jpg

Xavier College[edit]

G'day Jon,

I've withdrawn from the discussion over at Talk:Xavier College, and have therefore withdrawn my proposal because the discussion had turned WP:UNCIVIL with no hope of getting back on topic. Additionally, I won't be editing that page further as it is abundantly clear that certain people WP:OWN that article and hard. Hopefully they'll make the changes you suggested, but thanks, anyway, for your contribution. -danjel (talk to me) 18:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States[edit]

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Re: Radio discussion[edit]

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New Albany, Ohio[edit]

An IP is complaining that I'm violating policy by removing unlinked nonnotable band members from the notable natives and residents section of New Albany, Ohio. Can you help me please? Nyttend (talk) 04:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Jon - I undid your deletion, you said in your edit that the band is nonnotable, it is not, it has a separate Wikipedia article and has clearly established notability. The only reason it was not linked in the notable residents section was because the link was given only a couple of lines above.
Given the notability of the band (and the fact that all the members are from New Albany and reside there), wouldn't you consider them to be notable natives/residents? Thanks for your input. 155.188.183.19 (talk) 17:58, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
If the band is notable, then the band should be what's listed and the facts that the band was established in New Albany that several (or all) residents are from the city. There needs to also be a reliable source linking the band to New Albany. An example in List of people from Kent, Ohio has a similar situation with the band Six Parts Seven. The band itself is notable; the members, however, have not achieved notability on their own, so individual names are not listed at this point. Remember, the burden of proof falls on you to justify the inclusion of info. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with your edit, the band should be in the list as the band. (In the citations on the band's page, the link to New Albany is already mentioned.) Your interpretation matches my original interpretation, but another editor changed it, first to delete the entry, then to list separately as individual people. I'll leave it as it is now. Thanks again for your help. 155.188.183.18 (talk) 20:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
As long as it's properly referenced in the article, it doesn't need to be referenced again. I would, however, recommend just having it mentioned in Notable people. The Arts and culture section is more for events and places people in the town go and do. Unless those specific events resulted in a number of notable performers/groups, then you keep the people in Notable people since those people really aren't a part of the arts scene in the town. As it stands now we have the entire section devoted to things to see and do, then a random mention of a band that came from the town. Notable people is where the town's notable "success stories" can come into play. Eventually the section could be written in prose instead of a list (see Kent, Ohio#Notable people for an example). --JonRidinger (talk) 21:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject United States[edit]

I have proposed a change to the mission statement of WikiProject United States at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States#Mission statement for WikiProject United States and would welcome your views. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

St. Andrew's Episcopal School (Amarillo, Texas)[edit]

I a school project member. What is your take on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/St._Andrew's_Episcopal_School_(Amarillo,_Texas)? Just curious. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Copritch (talkcontribs) 17:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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ANI you would probably be interested in[edit]

I saw your comment on User talk:131.204.254.72 and that you have the same concerns as me, so please go to this ANI discussion and add your input. If I missed anything in my numbered list, please feel free to add on to it. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:37, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Question for You[edit]

Hi Jon, I placed a question for you on the WikiProject Schools Talk Page [1] Greg Comlish (talk) 05:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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2010 Census Data[edit]

The FactFinder 2 is a monumental piece of cr*p. Numerous people from Wikipedia feel the same way. As I understand it, they have been releasing data in stages. I know that Iowa has been online for a while, and I heard yesterday on the news that Kansas was online.

I took me a large number of tries to get this Census counts for the counties. Originally I thought it was only for Kansas, but later after pasting it in another browser, I noticed that it is for all counties in USA, then you have to click on a pull-down to choose the state. I've already been updating some of the counties in Kansas using this link as a reference. http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_PL_GCTPL2.ST05&prodType=table

For Peabody, Kansas, I finally found a census list for all cities in Kansas, but the web page was very slow. Unfortunately I didn't save the URL, thus is why I didn't put it on the Peabody article. Tonight I need to see if I can recreate the search for it again. The census number for Peabody is correct and did come from Fact Finder 2. • SbmeirowTalk • 18:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I knew they were releasing it in stages, so I was checking to see if they had released more. Thanks for the link. Many states are listed, but not all yet (dangit!). Like Ohio, for instance, is not in the drop down menu. So, either Ohio is no longer a US State or they don't have the data! :). Glad to see some of the local data is finally coming out. Thanks for the reply. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:31, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Census Information Released...FINALLY[edit]

Hey Dude, long time, no talk...how ya been? Good I hope. Wanted to let you know that the 2010 Census information is FINALLY out. You can find the new information on the slightly harder to use American FactFinder website. So far, they just have population information and demographics in the Redistricting files. Since Kent is a large city, they might have more information than just Stephens City, but not sure on that. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 08:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

About to find out...thanks for the heads up! --JonRidinger (talk) 16:06, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. :) Glad I can help out. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 23:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

2010 Census Changes For Cities[edit]

I decided to write up a quick article to guide other authors on updating the 2010 Census for city articles in Kansas. This is the approach that I'm going to take for modifying articles. This is considered a live user article, so likely I will change it as I find errors and get feedback. Obviously, everyone can do whatever they want, but hopefully they will take my changes into account.

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Thanks. I was just planning on manually updating the sections when the data becomes available. The Demographics sections should be more dynamic (i.e. some comparisons with previous data and other cities) than the raw census numbers anyway according to WP:USCITY and in most recent FAs. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:07, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
I am kinda confused on how we should update these pages. Since some of the information is out, but some will come out this year and even into next year, I am wondering if we should hold off on the updating of the pages until we have a majority of the information out. Right now, I have a mix of 2010, 2009 estimates and 2000 census information on Stephens City, Virginia. It kinda looks messy and out of place. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 03:11, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
In my case I have no choice as there is virtually nothing about Ohio out. In cases where limited info has been released, it's not an easy choice. I want to say update where you can (especially the population), but if you do just be careful to date the info. I would also point out any significant changes (if any) in demographic data between the last two censuses. "Significant" is probably a matter of debate, but I see "significant" as something more than at least 50% up or down. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your advice regarding Barbara Stadtlander. I'm new to Wiki and still trying to get the hang of things.

Should her page actually be converted somehow to "Barbara Stadtlander (Artist)"? Given that she's deceased? I'm not 100% sure how it works.

--B4theword (talk) 03:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. To answer your question, the only time a title would need something in parenthesis is if there is another article with the same title. For example, the high school I attended is Theodore Roosevelt High School. There are several schools with that same name, so "(Kent, Ohio)" is added to the title in that case (Theodore Roosevelt High School (Kent, Ohio)) to differentiate it from, say, Theodore Roosevelt High School (San Antonio), Theodore Roosevelt High School (Los Angeles), or any other TRHS. The parenthesis are needed to differentiate between them. So, unless there is another Barbara Stadtlander that also has an article, the current name is just fine. That is subject to change, of course (if someone else named Barbara Stadtlander becomes notable), but unlikely. For more info, see WP:AT. If you have any other questions, please ask! :) --JonRidinger (talk) 04:24, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

RE: Including Kent & KSU[edit]

In all honesty, personally I've no problem with it. Kent falls into the Cleveland-Elyria-Akron CSA, and is part of Portage County. Greater Cleveland (mainly Cuyahoga, Lake, Medina and Geauga counties) is an admittedly vague interpretation depending on whose view we are going by. I'm sure there are those who would argue that Akron and Cleveland are separate entities as far as a metro area, which is to say that Metro Akron is where Kent would likely fall if there was a discussion regarding where to place Kent... except I don't believe there is a WikiProject Akron to make a case... although WikiProject Ohio members might make a stink about it seeing as it's a feature article. Do what you feel is appropriate.Ryecatcher773 (talk) 21:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

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I'm sorry my edit summary didn't adequately explain the purpose of the change I made. It's to bring this template into line with many other similar ones, with the intention of removing the rather fragile dependency on a link to a subheading within the City or Village articles. The idea is to link to a state-specific redirect [City (Ohio) or Village (Ohio)], which itself then points to the location of an explanation of these concepts. Therefore, if a better explanation can be found elsewhere, or those articles are reorganised, only a couple of redirects need to be changed, not every single Ohio county template. This same change has already been made to all the other Ohio county templates, and many for other states, without objection. For example, the comparable Alaska templates, where the equivalent links Borough (Alaska) and City (Alaska) are redirects. Or the Utah emplates, where both Town (Utah) and City (Utah) are redirects to Town#Utah, as that's where the best explanation of these two concepts is to be found. Colonies Chris (talk) 10:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

add notable alumni: your recent edit 421410202[edit]

Sourcing does not confer notability; you are right. However, in this circumstance I am not using a source to signify notability. The notable aspect of this alumnus' contributions is the fact he was the national player of the year in basketball, a very rare feat indeed. For that reason, he is notable. The source is used merely to verify that fact. For that accolade, he should be placed among the other notable athletes in the list.

Please undo your edit in this case, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsfeditor (talkcontribs) 04:35, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

In any kind of notable alumni or notable people lists, the general rule of thumb is to wait for an article to be created before inserting them into a list. If there is a question about notability, these lists aren't the place to find out. The point of lists isn't to fit as many people as possible who may be notable or have been successful, but to connect articles that have an underlying theme, in this case the school or town that person is from. Of course it's not an absolute rule, but remember, "rare feat" or even "highly accomplished" doesn't necessarily mean "notable". Player of the year is definitely a rare feat and a great accomplishment. Most college players, though, (even in Division I) aren't notable unless they win several high-profile awards, have significant media coverage, and/or go pro. Most Division II athletes don't fit that since Division II has very low visibility, even the very best. Could the player achieve notability? Sure, but be sure to review what notability is and isn't, in particular that notability isn't temporary. In a few months will anyone outside of this person's school or town remember that he won POY? Heck, how many IN the town or school will even remember in a few months? Based strictly on winning the D-II POY, that is not notable in and of itself in my opinion, which is why I removed it. The most appropriate list would be if there is an NCAA Division II Player of the Year list for basketball. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:55, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I guess I disagree with your opinion. In this case, Ducharme was inducted, with Barty Smith, into DSF's inaugural hall of fame class. He also played professionally for several years after college, and was a well-followed player at a much higher level at the ACC's UVa before transferring to the D-2 school. To boot, there was "significant coverage" of him in the Richmond Times-Dispatch and features in the USA Today and Washington Post. Finally, the "time-to-time reassessment" criterion is satisfied by last year's HOF induction story. In terms of "waiting for an article", just Google his name and the high school and you will see several articles about his tenure there. The link I cited in the notation just validates the D-2 accolade from an independent source, however, one could easily include any of the articles on Google. The aforementioned points I think rebut much of what you request, and I again recommend your reversal of your edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsfeditor (talkcontribs) 00:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Being inducted into a local Hall of Fame is not notable. For my own high school, the "Notable alumni" section is far smaller than the number of people in the school's Hall of Fame and every year the latest Hall of Fame class has an article written about them. Local Hall of Fames usually honor a school's most successful alumni, but as I've said before, being successful doesn't automatically mean notable. Also, with "significant coverage", did it last long? Was there on-going coverage of his career in more than just the local papers? Notability is also not temporary, so having a local story about the POY award is expected, even a mention in USA Today. Having a HOF story doesn't mean his notability is established because of a time limit either. I'm guessing the story was a local story and no one outside his area knew or cared. Because many newspapers will publish stories from other sources, often times being covered in multiple papers isn't necessarily a guarantee of notability either. If you believe he is notable, why not start an article or go to an appropriate Wikiproject (WP:CBBALL) and ask other editors if they think the person is notable? That's really your best bet for keeping him on a given list. Trying to prove notability just for the purpose of inclusion on a low-visibility high school list is missing the point of the lists and will likely end up having the name removed down the road by another editor. If he's notable enough to be on the list, then he's notable enough to have an article, even if it's just a stub. I obvsiously don't think he's notable enough, but other editors may see it differently. --JonRidinger (talk) 18:29, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
While your points are well taken, there is considerable leeway in deciding what "significant coverage" and temporal nature of accolades are. Case in point: the former Devo drummer who played in a single concert who is featured as a notable alumnus from your high school (I wouldn't cite that list as the paradigm). No one cares who played for Devo for a single concert! My point is: in the finer points within the gray area of notability's connotation I think you are being a little too strict. There are numerous lesser figures who are held out as notable on Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsfeditor (talkcontribs) 20:42, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Stow HS[edit]

I am willing to accept the removal of the phrase "quarter-century reign" if you are willing to accept "once considered a 'powerhouse' " for the Latin Club section. Both were properly sourced, but I see how from your POV that at some point to can become too much. Let's compromise.
Levdr1 (talk) 21:22, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Just in case it wasn't already clear, the "powerhouse" quote was on the page nearly a year.
Levdr1 (talk) 23:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
On an unrelated note, I saw your name on the Progressive Field scoreboard on TV behind Bruce Drennan on SportsTimeOhio. Levdr1 (talk) 01:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Haha you saw that? I sang the national anthem at the game tonight!  :)
As for the quotes, I know they are sourced, but this is another one of those "keeping things in perspective" and encyclopedic things. Bottom line is clubs aren't that significant, even ones with awesome runs like Stow Latin. Taking the Roosevelt article through GAN showed me that they really don't like a whole lot of details on the clubs since most school clubs have almost no visibility even within their own school. It's basically highlight significant clubs, minimal info about any accomplishments (especially on a national and state scale) and that's it. Even though I've kind of cooled off really editing major sections, I still will likely trim more out of the Roosevelt article before taking it through FAC. In this case, simply presenting the bare facts is all you need to get the point across and keep it encyclopedic. Using journalistic quotes gives it, well, a journalistic feel instead of an encyclopedic feel. Having one journalist using "powerhouse rein" in an article just seems a bit much to make into the article. I would be more supportive if the terms had been used on a much wider scale. In the end, the 28 consecutive is impressive on its own (as far as people even care what it's related to), so the estra quotes didn't add anything beyond trying to make it look even better. Let the facts speak for themselves. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
So yes or no? You don't agree with me here. Likewise, I don't agree with you (entirely). I'm asking for a compromise.
Levdr1 (talk) 04:29, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Also, you're combining two different quotes from two separate sources. "Powerhouse" comes from the Beacon Journal in 1995; "reign" comes from Cincinnati CityBeat this past fall. I've removed "Reign" and the Cin. citation b/c I respect your perspective.
Levdr1 (talk) 04:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Forget it. I've removed both quotes. Levdr1 (talk) 09:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
It's in no way meant as a sign of disrespect for you as an editor or Stow Latin Club and their accomplishments. But the whole GAN process and then several later discussions about school clubs (including athletics) that have arisen on the Schools Wikiproject have really shown that lots of details about school clubs aren't what the consensus is looking for in the long run. That's not to say we shouldn't have anything about them, but for the most part, lots of details about specific clubs/teams are going to get removed or at least toned down. The reason I didn't edit it until now is just how it worked out. I was looking over the page after your most recent edit and felt the quotes weren't all that crucial in understanding the main point and came across as unencyclopedic and promotional. To be honest I don't think listing every year is really needed either, but I'll leave that to you. While it's no one's article, you have put far more work and effort into its development. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Quotes are gone. The years for Certamen (quizbowl) titles stay (as they should). Let's move on to more editing and national anthems. Levdr1 (talk) 20:09, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Remember, Wikipedia isn't a democracy, so it really doesn't work simply by compromise. Content is either appropriate or it isn't. Consensus is not the same as compromise. I'm not going to go and do a whole bunch of edits to the Stow HS article because overall it's really not a huge concern or priority for me. I make them only when I feel they are absolutely necessary (tone is far more important than excess details to me). But if you ever want it to progress beyond the C-class article it is, I can tell you now that eventually most of the details about the various clubs are probably going to need to be pared down. One potential option would be a collapsible chart, though that's no guarantee the info would stay through any kind of Good Article review. That's based on my own experiences in many school articles and discussions, not just the Roosevelt one. --JonRidinger (talk) 00:06, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
I know, I know, I know. I just wanted to settle the Latin Club section between us for now. Are we settled for now? Levdr1 (talk) 01:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind. Levdr1 (talk) 01:05, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Of course we're "settled". I'm just trying to give you some advice to help make the article better. --JonRidinger (talk) 01:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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History Ancient Aliens Image Inquiry[edit]

Hello Jon,

I work on the documentary television series Ancient Aliens, which appears on the History Channel in the U.S. We are doing a show called "Cowboys and Aliens" that deals with the unexplained, mysteries stories, and people looking to the stars in the Old West. We are covering the start of Mormonism with Joseph Smith's vision of Moroni. We are also touching on the idea that some early Mormons questioned whether life could exist on other planets. Our show provides both the facts of Mormonism and our Ancient Astronaut theorists wilder theories that try to connect things to aliens, but our show is about showing both views. I saw you have a photo of the recreated Cabin in New York where Joseph Smith saw the angel Moroni that would be great for our show. We are also looking for high-res photos of statues of Smith, Brigham Young, BYU, and the LDS Temple in Salt Lake City. Please note that final credit appearances are subject to network approval. If you are interested permitting use of your images, please contact me at the e-mail below with any questions.

Thanks and I hope to hear from you, Matt Thomas Researcher Ancient Aliens Season 3 Prometheus Pictures Los Angeles, CA matt.thomas@prometheuspix.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.81.80.199 (talk) 17:23, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

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Your opinion would be valued if you car to weigh in[edit]

Have a look at the current argument going on in the subheading of nicknames here. Apparently, there's people who just can't let their day pass by without taking a crack at the city. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 02:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

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Notability: Schools[edit]

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Plagiarism[edit]

I've had this discussion with numerous people, and the situation that has arisen is that the individual responsible for posting all of this has used, word for word, information that was taken from a pay-per view site, gongwer ohio. As the site is protected by a pay wall, it has become impossible for others to decipher this as plagiarism. He would copy and paste from gongwer and then cite it with a different article, making it look as if it was plagiarism. I figured this out a few weeks ago, as I am a subscriber to gongwer. With the individual being banned from wikipedia for copyright violations, I figured it was necessary, and have had support, to remove the copyright enfringement i have found. FrittataOhio (talk) 05:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, as long as it's the actual plagiarised info I obviously don't have a problem with that. I've seen some instances where you have removed info that is clearly not plagiarism (at least based on the reference the info uses), so that's my concern. --JonRidinger (talk) 05:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
I think you are gravely mistaken, Frittata. You may be reading a "mirror site", one which copies content from Wikipedia (which is free by law) onto its own website. They are all over the internet, so in actuality you are deleting material from the original source (Wikipedia).--Chimino (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Ohio politicians[edit]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE help to stop the terrible attacks and deletions of articles pertaining to Ohio politicians by User:Marcus Qwertyus. He has consistently been on attack against one user and is now creating a terrible drain of information on Wikipedia. EVERY and I mean EVERY article he has deleted has been stocked with credible sources and are liable. He is creating a great disservice to individuals in Ohio, especially in an election year. Can you please see that each of articles on a Ohio politician that he has deleted are has submitted to be deleted is reinstated. I am willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that this does not continue to happen. I am greatly outraged! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.252.215.130 (talk) 17:28, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

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Yogo sapphire[edit]

I see you just did a PR of Missoula and was wondering if you'd care to look at this other Montana article which just made GA. Lonk: Wikipedia:Peer review/Yogo sapphire/archive1. Thanks. PumpkinSky talk 03:11, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Missoula[edit]

I posted this on the Missoula page but also want to post on your talk page. Thank you JonRidinger for your very civil discourse. I had a problem with some bolding and completely over reacted with a complete revision. The lead looks good thank you.

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Protection[edit]

Perhaps you already saw this, but Nev1 semiprotected the page about 2 minutes after you left the note at my talk. If s/he hadn't come in, I would have done essentially the same thing. Nyttend (talk) 00:15, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes I did...thanks to both of you! Happy New Year! --JonRidinger (talk) 08:29, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

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Missoula, Montana page.[edit]

I just wanted to say thank you for all your help with your detailed review. Missoula, Montana was recently elevated to GA-Class.

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NE Ohio[edit]

If you have any particular section you'd care to work on go ahead. We still need something comprehensive on the economy a general historical narrative and a fleshed out lead paragraph. I've told Lever also... Ryecatcher773 (talk) 01:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Interest in creating an article?[edit]

Hi JR, I know you're a Kent State guy so I was wondering if you'd have any interest in writing Brad Robinson (basketball)? He's 1 of only 11 college men's basketball players to have recorded 30+ rebounds in a game since 1972–73. WP:CBBALL is trying to eliminate red links on the NCAA men's basketball statistical leaders articles, but unfortunately there's not enough man power to get to all of them quickly. Brad Robinson is on my to do list but he's really, really far down on it, so if this sounds like something you'd be interested in tackling let me know. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 15:14, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

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Photo Attribution, Standing Rock[edit]

Hi Jon:

I like your photo of the Standing Rock on Wikimedia Commons, and would like to use it on my web site. However, I was curious about a few points:

  • Should I attribute it to you or to your grandfather? If the latter, is his name Barton Derby or Barton Derby Ridinger?
  • Which tribes met at this rock -- do you know? Do you know what types of meetings they had at the rock (initiation rites, dispute resolution between tribes, etc. ...)?

Thanks! Brett epic (talk) 14:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! Feel free to use the photo (and let me know what site it's going to be on so I can show my grandpa). Please attribute it to my grandfather, who is Barton Derby (he's my maternal grandfather, hence the different last name). I know he will be pleased that you are using his photo! It's one of his favorite spots in Kent.
As for the history, there isn't alot available on Standing Rock. I know there is evidence that there was a tribe of Seneca in this area that used it, and there was a Seneca settlement at what is now Silver Lake, Ohio, at the time Kent was settled in 1805. But there were other tribes through the centuries that were in this area (Erie tribe here up until 1656, then the Iroquois), so it's hard to say exactly who. A lot of the histories just use the generic "Indians" (or later "Native Americans") to describe who used it and they were written down long after it was actually used (if it ever was). I know it was also where the old Mahoning Trail crossed the Cuyahoga River, so it was a highly traveled ("highly" for those days) area.
Best information I had indicates that councils of some kind were done on the rock, with some sources indicating councils of war. That led to the alternate name "Council Rock", which is sometimes used in histories (as is "Standing Stone"). If I find other information, I will be sure to pass it along! --JonRidinger (talk) 15:30, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Jon! The site is not yet open, but will be located in a week or two at My Oral Village. To show your grandpa the photo you can go to /gallery/oral culture. It is the 8th of 14 images. Brett epic (talk) 22:21, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Ohio Wiki Page[edit]

Hi Jon,

I was the one who left the comment about adding the link to the Ohio page. Could we discuss the link I would like to add privately? I believe it would be helpful to many people. If you are not responsible for the ohio page let me know. The page is semi-locked and I am confused about how to go about talking to someone about it.

Thank you for your help, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carbonegm (talkcontribs) 17:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I am happy to discuss it, but I think it would be more appropriate to discuss it on the talk page for the Ohio article. That's always your best bet when an article is protected or semi-protected like that. Again, there is no one specific person who is "responsible" for the article since Wikipedia works by consensus. The semi-protected state of that article means that established editors can edit it, but new and anonymous editors can't since there have been quite a few problems with article vandalism. So far, any new or anonymous editor who wishes to make a change simply puts an "edit request" on the article talk page and explains why. It may or may not draw discussion from other editors, but it usually gets some kind of response, either doing on the action or explaining why the action cannot be completed. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

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Stow, Ohio and Agenda 21 Issue[edit]

Hello Jon... the Agenda 21 controversy in Stow, Ohio as well as other towns and states, will be in more mainstream media soon and then it can be put back in with the new source (I'm in the media and will be discussing in future meetings since I think it's a good subject for further investigation and discussion in Stow, Ohio as well as other towns). There seems to be a number of legislatures passing bills to stop some of the objectives of Agenda 21 which don't adhere to current American laws regarding private land ownership rights. Once there's another media source covering this subject, which will be current, what type of section is recommended for this to be placed under within the Stow, Ohio article as well as other listed towns, in your opinion? Please advise.GoGeo (talk) 12:26, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

It needs to be significant and clear coverage to really make sense in an article like this, meaning it can't come from a group that has some kind of connection (be it for or against) Agenda 21, and mentions Stow specifically. In other words, an article needs to verify that the city has indeed adopted measures from Agenda 21 in their long-term planning and that it's generating controversy in town. A controversy would be what people think of that (visible opposition or support), not whether or not that plays a role in Stow's infrastructure development. Definite reliable sources are things like the local Cleveland TV stations, or newspapers like the Akron Beacon Journal and Stow's local paper, the Stow Sentry. Then the source has to verify what is said in the Wikipedia article, but my guess is that it's going to take at least two sources to really establish that there is a controversy and what role Agenda 21 plays in it for Stow. If the sources are there and attest to Stow's use of Agenda 21, it will warrant a mention in the history section, like a sentence or two, or in the Infrastructure section. Basically, it needs to have some context and not give it undue weight (meaning it dominates a section or is a section of its own), since it's only a part of the bigger picture. You also have to be careful that the sources aren't self-published either, otherwise we run the risk of the source not being reliable and/or a conflict of interest. Just remember the overall point of the article: to give the reader a thorough, but still general, idea of the subject, which is Stow. If you aren't sure, try using your sandbox to try some options out. I'm not opposed to adding info about Agenda 21, but I want to make sure it's properly sourced and totally relevant to the specific article. --JonRidinger (talk) 02:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Cowboys Stadium/AT&T Stadium[edit]

@BarrelProof: Why the delay? First, you have an article that refers to the stadium by one name, but the title of the article is different; that looks shoddy at best and we should be about improving articles. It looks even worse when ALL major sources use the new name and Wikipedia is still on the old one. Second, it's been a week of very little discussion (complete even with a pointless accusation) and even less involving actual policies and precedents, at least for the "argument" it should stay at Cowboys Stadium. Further, one user has, on 3 separate occasions, made edits to the AT&T Stadium page to prevent others from moving it back (which I consider in very poor taste), which is why admins have even had to be involved in the first place.

I'm all for taking time for a discussion when needed and have participated in many, but for very clear cases like this, we're just wasting time. When an argument is being made where the main points have absolutely no bearing on the final decision (i.e. WP:IDONTLIKEIT), having a "discussion" is pointless. As soon as it was moved back to Cowboys Stadium and the user presented his or her reasons for opposing the initial move and they were clearly based on personal opinions of the topic and not Wikipedia naming policy, that should've been the end and it should've been reverted back to AT&T Stadium. We do not need to discuss every page move. Move discussions are for times when it isn't totally clear which direction to go with a title (See Talk:Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome#New name?) based on naming conventions, not just because someone doesn't like the name. There was no discussion in July because no one thought it was necessary based on the name not needing disambiguation and the fact it was properly, and clearly, sourced in multiple outlets. --JonRidinger (talk) 06:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

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First off, I have to apologise for being rather discouraging, but you're not likely to get a WP-acceptable permission. If they grant a WP-acceptable license release and have it sent to OTRS, that's all you need, but that probably won't happen. Here at IU Bloomington, Archives policy is rather restrictive regarding copyright (I've never gotten a clear statement about the status of this image, which was seemingly published ±150 years ago), and if KSU has a comparable policy, they'll be extremely reluctant to grant a license for any use by anyone without even asking permission. You also have to ensure that they have the rights — IUB generally asks donors to include a grant of copyright in their deeds of gift, so IUB Archives images are generally owned by the University, but KSU donors/sellers might still own copyright in many images whose physical copies are KSU-owned. Don't forget the issue of registration, though: if you can establish that an image was published before 1963, you can check for copyright renewal ({{PD-US-not renewed}}), so there's a chance that the images might be PD despite the notice. Nyttend (talk) 02:58, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Renewal wasn't particularly common (Copyright renewal mentions a 1961 study finding that only 15% of works were renewed), and for photos, probably a vast percentage of renewed images would be stuff by professionals such as press agencies. I'd strongly advise that you check for renewals; you can't use the Stanford database for this because it only tracks books, so you'll have to consult the printed renewals; a random example from our catalogue is here. I'm trying and failing to find the KSU library catalogue, so I can't tell you whether they have anything of this sort, but if you can find the catalogue, a simple title search should allow you to find the printed renewals. If you're as unsuccessful as I've been at finding the catalogue, email Cindy Kristof, tell her that you're trying to find printed editions of the copyright renewals (without specifying the details if she doesn't ask for them), and ask her for help finding out whether Ken has copies. NOW As far as your fair-use questions, see the nonfree images in Holy Rosary Catholic Church (St. Marys, Ohio), St. Patrick's Catholic Church (St. Patrick, Ohio), and Port Jefferson School. I've not gotten any objections to my use of these images with these rationales, which basically approach the destroyed building like a dead person: the person's not going to come back to life, and the building can't be rebuilt completely correctly, so these images are nonreplaceable. Since KSU's previously granted permission for personal use, this will be relevant, since it's not as if they're charging for everything. Note that the images from the historical society (are they in the Franklin Township Hall, by any chance?) may not be owned by the society, since of course they generally don't have to be as careful about copyright as university archives do; and just remember that year of publication, not year of creation, is critical. Finally, remember that negatives can be made from prints, so the idea of "photos from 1920s, negatives from 1960s" isn't at all impossible. Nyttend (talk) 04:23, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Must have been confused; I thought the Township Hall was some sort of historical museum. I've only once stopped in Kent; it was raining so hard that I got almost no photos, and when I tried to get photos at Ravenna, I went literally just half a block from my car in the time that it took to go from dry to soaking wet. My knowledge of Portage County historical sites is markedly less than my knowledge of sites elsewhere in the state :-) What I'm meaning is selling the rights to use to the image, since you could make copies for free. I'd still advise that you try to find out whether they got renewed, but without that knowledge, such images would surely be a good employment of fair use. Nyttend (talk) 05:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I actually don't remember getting any photos in Mantua other than File:Mantua Station Brick Commercial District.jpg and File:Mantua Center District buildings.jpg; I'm definitely thinking of the building seen in File:Franklin Township Hall 1.jpg (I didn't upload any photos of it), and apparently I'm just forgetting its actual use. Nyttend (talk) 06:29, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Ben Curtis out of his own mouth[edit]

"I'm from Kent, Ohio."[2] Not to mention the two other references I put in the list article....William 15:36, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I grew up in Franklin Township. I also say "I'm from Kent, Ohio." because that's the nearest town, I went to the high school there, and it was my mailing address. The house he lives in is located in Franklin Township. That point cannot be argued. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
He says he is from Kent. Plus there are two other reliable sources saying the same thing. Revert the edit again, I'll report it as vandalism....William 15:45, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
I have already shown you the actual property listing verifying it's in Franklin Township. How do you argue with that? And seriously, I am fully aware of the 3RR rule, but it wouldn't be considered vandalism since I have a legitimate source backing my claim. Wikipedia allows us to be precise. A lot of people say they're from a certain place when they actually don't live there, but near it. When he won the British Open, he said he was from Kent, Ohio and actually lived in Stow, Ohio, which can be documented. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:50, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Jon, I understand your point about wanting to eliminate the Rutgers Women's Basketball loss in the NCAA finals because they were not a part of the Big Ten at the time BUT if you look at the entire page you will see the past of Rutgers and Maryland is a part of the page. For example, Rutgers NIT championship last year is on the page and it was before they were apart of the Big Ten. You will also see Maryland's accomplishments there as well. Happy holidays and a Happy New Year! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brianlowy (talkcontribs) 14:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Really, none of the championships or achievements should be listed if they happened when a school wasn't part of the conference. Joining the conference doesn't retroactively make them Big Ten accomplishments. Maryland's accomplishments should also not be there since they happened as a member of the ACC. If they are listed, they need to have a footnote and shouldn't be counted in any total number. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

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ironwood ridge hs[edit]

Thanks for your good work on the above article. I'm surprised we haven't met before. I do a lot of work on school articles, mostly bloat reduction like you've done here. I agree it needs much more. The history section is puzzling. It seems like it would be better in the district's or the community's article. And I will be cutting the athletic section much further. Happy editing! John from Idegon (talk) 04:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I edit a fair amount of school articles too, mostly doing like you do in removing excess and boosterism or adding in things like the infobox and pictures where I can or just doing general cleanup. The only reason I even looked at Ironwood Ridge was because a friend of mine just moved to Oro Valley, Arizona and one of her kids goes there. I lived in Oro Valley briefly as a missionary in 2002 right after IRHS first opened, so I remember hearing about its brief history in being built. I remember several years ago editing the Canyon del Oro High School page, which also suffered from many of the same problems as the IRHS page, on top of having some overzealous and protective editors who added every "successful" graduate into the Notable people regardless of notability.
As for the IRHS page, yeah, the athletics section not only needs further reduction, but really an entire rewrite. I'm OK with mentions of the state championships and runner-ups they have in various sports, but that's about it. The history section needs consolidated and edited as well. It doesn't need all the subheadings. For a school that is now only 14 years old, it doesn't have much of a history section at all. --JonRidinger (talk) 19:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Guidelines now actually say we are only supposed to mention state championships, not runners-up. I only have access to a PC a few times a week and I will get at it shortly. Happy editing. BTW, my ex-sister in law is currently attending BYU-Idaho. John from Idegon (talk) 20:12, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
That's cool...I was at BYU-Idaho from 2004-07. Small Mormon world :). As for the guidelines, don't forget they are just that: guidelines, not official policies or requirements. It really depends on how they're used in the article. The main point is just to make sure athletics doesn't completely dominate an article with every state finish mentioned in great detail. But mentioning that a team has won this many state titles and this many runners-up (meaning they lost the state title game or finished second in a tournament) can be useful in giving the reader a general idea of the program's success. In my own alma mater, I made a small chart for state championships and runners-up and it fits nicely along with general mentions in the body of the text (which would likely be trimmed down if it ever goes to FAC)...had no problems getting to GA status. For some schools, though, especially those with a large amount of athletic success, I can see why not mentioning every runner-up would be useful. --JonRidinger (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

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Stefan2 (talk · contribs), that file just needs deleted. No need to wait. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
You may still not violate WP:NFCC#9 on the file information page. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:35, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Stefan2 (talk · contribs) It's the FIRST TIME I've ever posted an SVG version of an existing one, so no, I didn't come there specifically do violate NFCC, and honestly, after dealing with you, can't say I'm all that excited about ever taking the time to update a file to SVG again. Good lord. Considering it was on the information page of the exact same image, I hardly think we were in danger of being sued for copyright infringement, and obviously didn't see a problem (I actually still don't even after reviewing NFCC#9...I personally think you're overreacting like too many on here who deal with copyright issues) when I posted the convenience link to the new replacement file. Really, the issue is the SVG replacement template. THAT is what you should be after for violating NFCC #9. I simply placed the link to the new SVG file which I've seen done on countless images for replacement. Just delete the file and be done with it, which is what I was hoping would happen ASAP anyway, which is why I put the SVG template there in the first place and was sure to update every article that used the file to the new SVG file AND made sure the new file has the same Fair Use templates on it for each article. Save your lectures for someone who needs them. --JonRidinger (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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That's great. The sad reality is you've taken absolutely no chance to just say "here, next time, just use this template in this instance or make sure to do this" so that I actually feel like I want to do another file update to SVG. What this tells me is you're more interested in just pointing out other people's errors than actually helping them to avoid the same issue later. If you truly are concerned about copyright, you'll want to educate editors who make simple errors like this. Just saying "you violated this" tells me little and your subsequent replies have been anything BUT helpful. It would've been one thing if I uploaded a new image with no source info and no license, but I didn't. Both the PNG and SVG versions have all the required info; it simply was a case of using the wrong SVG update template to let other users know that a better version had been uploaded. If you really are about making Wikipedia better, a great place to start is not discouraging editors who actually try to follow the rules and are actively trying to make the encyclopedia better, but it seems you're more interested in exercising dominion over some self-created fiefdom. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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Re: Ohio high school athletic conferences[edit]

I apologize for taking so long to respond to your comment on the talk page. In theory, I agree with you on the changes that should be done, but I also think that changing all of the info on the page over to their own pages shouldn't be handled by just one or two people, or at the very least should be considered a long-term project. Also, if the decision is made to turn the past conferences list into their own separate pages, it might not be a bad idea to have a statewide template that would go on the bottom of every conference's page, then you can open that and move between conferences (Indiana has a template like this, and it does come in pretty handy). This is all just my two cents, as long as the research I come up with (and I realize I'll have to re-find the sources for a lot of the past conference pages) doesn't just get dumped, then whatever the consensus is with how to run the pages is fine with me. Mtndrums (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Mtndrums (talk · contribs) one suggestion I have to make sure your research isn't dumped is to use your sandbox (should be a link to it at the top of the page). Not only is it a great place to experiment with different layouts, but I've found it's a great way to store research that may not be quite ready for the main article space. Then, when it's ready to be published, the movement is pretty simple. You could also create your own subpage like User:Mtndrums/OhioHSConferences or User:Mtndrums/conferences (I did that for two high school rivalry series, seen at User:JonRidinger/KentRavenna and User:JonRidinger/RidersStatesmen). --JonRidinger (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
I generally don't put anything up here until it's ready to go live, most of my research is saved onto text files on my laptop and flash drive. I probably have more than 30 files on conferences that haven't been put up yet, due to either time or needing additional research, but I try to get things complete before they go up. I was more referring to stuff I already posted being taken down if it isn't available on a page for that specific conference. If we can get a few people on board, we could probably get that page cleaned up in short order.Mtndrums (talk) 05:41, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
After a couple of false starts, I was able to break down the main page info into regional pages. I decided to do redundant links on the main page for conferences that span multiple regions, but put the conference info in the region with the most schools. I also merged the East and Southeast regions, since the SE would only have two or three conferences on its page. Let me know what you think needs to be fixed up or any improvements that are needed.Mtndrums (talk) 14:59, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Mtndrums (talk · contribs), fantastic work! I love the organization and it just makes it so much easier to find information! I think the only thing left would be to add graphics that identify the scope of each region (like which counties are in each region). I agree in combining the East and Southeast region pages too. Kind of makes me wonder why OHSAA has the regions separate in the first place! Thanks for all your efforts! --JonRidinger (talk) 16:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I can make up a map graphic, but I'll have to find some time to get on the wife's conputer to finish it (the red channel on my monitor is fried, so I'll have to finish it on there to make sure the colors look right). It may take a little time, but I'll get it up there before too long. Mtndrums (talk) 04:03, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

byui[edit]

hey just wanted to let you know this is not true, and there's no citation/source. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brigham_Young_University%E2%80%93Idaho&action=history

and you dont go to either of these schools

reply on my talk page thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:585:A101:FD0E:7055:A104:C00E (talk) 21:55, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

2605:A601:585:A101:FD0E:7055:A104:C00E (talk · contribs), I replied on your talk page, but just FYI, going to a school doesn't really matter in terms of being able to verify information. In this instance, though, I actually did attend BYU-Idaho (as seen on my user page) for three years and frequently dealt with approved housing and the school's housing policies. Even so, I was able to find the housing page fairly quickly and posted a link on your page and in the article. --JonRidinger (talk) 22:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


you wrote a lot

anyway, "Approved" seems different from byu contracted, and unsure if byu-i has a specific contract as well

also you shouldve just source the article instead of giving me a link — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A601:585:A101:FD0E:7055:A104:C00E (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

revisiting Cincinnati vs. Greater Cincinnati discussion of scope[edit]

I apologize for having taken months to essentially ignore talk:Cincinnati (or Cincinnati, for that matter), and thereby, in effect, having had not replied or even acknowledged your generously detailed reply to my reply, at the time when I rather hotly pointed out the suburban ATP/WTA tennis in the Cincinnati lede, etcetera. With the benefit of cooling down and letting things be, I have now a couple of observations to make about your edits. Yes, your edits, not mine. ;)

I think that had you not merely removed text from the article where I spent my labors on, but actually thought to transfer it to the article Greater Cincinnati (I realize, having visited it for the first time ever, that it is only a redirect to essentially a botic entity of a skeletal demographics kind ;), and not the carefully tended Wikigarden of "prosodic" human contributions), our nascent collaboration on Wikipedia as Ohioans and editors of stuff we both find ourselves editing, Ohio connections being immaterial, would have taken a more fulfilling and cooperative turn. However, your pointed remark about being willing to go through Cincinnati and remove all remaining out-of-scope content that belongs to Greater Cincinnati — only amplifies in my mind my label of "selective deletionism" I implied to saddle your edits with, as your just deserts. I am bringing this back as a reproach, because Greater Cincinnati was then and remains now an abject absence of article, if you get my plaint.

Please consider making amends, and then we will be golden. I remain respectfully yours, Your Marek. Mareklug talk 11:12, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

It's interesting I find this today as I just returned home from a trip that included, in its last leg, driving through Cincinnati today.
I am sorry you appear to have decided to take my edits personally, because I make edits based on relevant Wikipedia policies, guidelines, and precedent, not due to any personal feelings I may have towards any particular editor. In this case, the specific policy was that of WP:TOPIC and the initial edits I made that specifically affected you were made after reading the article for some other reason; they just happened to be soon after you added them apparently. I did go through the Cincinnati article at the time and trim out info that was not appropriate for that article because it dealt with things that are in the suburbs; for instance, the listing of Catholic schools, several of which are not located in Cincinnati. I consider it merely keeping the article on topic and removing "border creep" so that the Cincinnati article isn't merely a duplicate of the Greater Cincinnati article (there will obviously be a lot of overlap between the two but they shouldn't be duplicates of each other). I've done that on many dozens of similar articles as a member of the WP:CITIES project. Sometimes I add the info to the appropriate article whether it be another city article (like that of a suburb) or the metro area article. Sometimes I don't because I either don't have time or forget. I've done similar things on Greater Cleveland and Northeast Ohio which used to be one article but was later split.
Please do not take my edits personally or think that I'm simply out to remove info I simply don't like. If I remove info it's because I think it's inappropriate for a given article; that doesn't automatically mean I think the info is worthless or has no place on Wikipedia at all. My failure to place it in the Greater Cincinnati article is more than likely simply a matter of time as I edit Wikipedia in my spare time, so many times that happens only in small spurts during the day if at all. But I'm someone who has written several articles and added quite a bit of content to existing articles, so I'm by no means some kind of deletionist. Both the Cincinnati and Greater Cincinnati articles need quite a bit of work on them, both in terms of adding appropriate info, but also in cleaning up existing info or even removing.
As always, though, if you have questions or are unsure about whether or not something is appropriate, feel free to ask here or on the article talk page. --JonRidinger (talk) 23:43, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Lucas Oil Stadium[edit]

Thanks for removing the sermon I added to Lucas Oil Stadium without realizing it. I must have pasted by mistake. Indyguy (talk) 02:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Indyguy (talk · contribs), you're welcome! I was actually going to ask if you had any reasons behind that, but figured it may have just been a paste error too (happens to a lot of us!). It was embedded within the citation so didn't show up in the article text. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Award 4 U[edit]

Awarded to JonRidinger for consistently good work on Ohio based articles. Vjmlhds (talk) 23:16, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Vjmlhds (talk · contribs) thanks! --JonRidinger (talk) 23:43, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

commonscat on NRHP county lists[edit]

I see you added several categories to National Register of Historic Places listings in Portage County, Ohio by hand. An even better way is to add an NRHP template to the commons category with the reference number (NRHP template on Commons), see the one I did for your Mantua_Center_School category. That allows a bot to add the category to this list: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/Missing commons category links, where someone (often user:TheCatalyst31 but can be anyone) will add it to the list using a semi automated tool (User:Dudemanfellabra/AddCommonsCatLinks). You can still add the commonscat by hand in the county list, but using the commons NRHP template in the category will also allow other interlinking feats in the future (or it may already do so, I'm not an expert). Generic1139 (talk) 15:09, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Generic1139 (talk · contribs) Thanks! The ones I did are the ones I have done articles and photos for (meaning I know they have categories on the Commons), but good to know for future additions! Until you added those today, I didn't even know the Commons Category link was an option. --JonRidinger (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Portage/Stark Ohio 435 info removed[edit]

I just noticed that a year-and-a-half ago the information about the cancelled Ohio State Route 435 in the Kent vicinity was removed due to being "likely unverifiable", probably because the commons graphics supporting it had been removed/deleted earlier. I'm letting you know since you probably can find the verification necessary fairly easily. I'd contact the user who originally added all of the info, but that person appears to have retired from WP without actually declaring it. Mapsax (talk) 12:45, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Mapsax (talk · contribs), thanks for letting me know! I have seen maps from the 1960s and 70s online that show the planned route, so it's definitely not a case of it being "likely unverifiable". ODOT has a page of old maps available. While I can't access them now due to the format they're in, they more than likely have the confirmation of the planned 435. --JonRidinger (talk) 11:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
The ODOT maps are a no-go. Since I have all of them saved, I rechecked 1964-1976, and, as I remember, there's nothing there. I guess the route wasn't far enough along in the planning to be included. Mapsax (talk) 12:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll look at my Portage County bicentennial atlas when I'm home as I know it has proposed SR 435 in some of the maps. I know I've seen maps showing 435. The details removed from that article explaining its route clearly came from a map. Somewhat irritating that an editor would simply conclude that it couldn't ever be verified. Where do they think that information came from in the first place? --JonRidinger (talk) 14:02, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Akron-Kent State Result[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Akron-Kent State Result has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2015 (UTC)