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Due process
I would suggest following proper procedure in regards to disputed edits... resolve via discussion before restoring contentious edits whether or not you have a source in the pipeline to add. Mabuska (talk) 10:29, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, fair enough. Is it just the Irish you oppose (in which case we can go ahead and remove the Scots too, as that stems from one document and there a ton of ways of translating "protestant"), or the "ethnoreligious" tag too? — Jon C.ॐ 10:33, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- I oppose the unsourced addition of what appear to be OR translations by some editors simply to have an Irish or other form up for the sake of it when none otherwise exist. It is the English Wikipedia after all. As one of the biggest adders of Irish to this site I am hardly against its usage when it is qualified and quantified. The Scots form is cited to a document produced in the Scots language by an official administrative division, in this case Mid-Ulster District Council. There can no complaints about that, though it doesn't prove widespread usage in that language. Mabuska (talk) 11:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Actually no your source doesn't merit the inclusion of the Scots form as you have performed WP:SYNTHESIS. The document makes no use of the term "Ulstèr Prodysans" at all. In fact it doesn't make use of the word "Ulstèr" at all in that kind of way except in the council name. So it should be removed. If this is the same case in the source you provided for the Irish form then both should be removed. Mabuska (talk) 11:33, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Do it then. I won't argue. As you know, one of my main areas of activity on here is adding Ulster-Scots translations to NI articles, but if it's going to cause a problem for you in this case, do what you need to do. I don't see the issue, personally. There's the 'synthesis' argument, but the source makes mention of Ulstèr and Prodysans separately so I don't think it's the biggest leap to put them together. — Jon C.ॐ 11:40, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- And I'm grateful that you do take the time to find them and add them, however I can't argue about sourcing and the such on one strand and then say don't worry about a bit of synthesis on another. At best I would raise it at the Ireland WikiProject and see what editors think, or even at a linguistics Wikiproject or something. Mabuska (talk) 13:25, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Do it then. I won't argue. As you know, one of my main areas of activity on here is adding Ulster-Scots translations to NI articles, but if it's going to cause a problem for you in this case, do what you need to do. I don't see the issue, personally. There's the 'synthesis' argument, but the source makes mention of Ulstèr and Prodysans separately so I don't think it's the biggest leap to put them together. — Jon C.ॐ 11:40, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- Actually no your source doesn't merit the inclusion of the Scots form as you have performed WP:SYNTHESIS. The document makes no use of the term "Ulstèr Prodysans" at all. In fact it doesn't make use of the word "Ulstèr" at all in that kind of way except in the council name. So it should be removed. If this is the same case in the source you provided for the Irish form then both should be removed. Mabuska (talk) 11:33, 16 May 2017 (UTC)
- I oppose the unsourced addition of what appear to be OR translations by some editors simply to have an Irish or other form up for the sake of it when none otherwise exist. It is the English Wikipedia after all. As one of the biggest adders of Irish to this site I am hardly against its usage when it is qualified and quantified. The Scots form is cited to a document produced in the Scots language by an official administrative division, in this case Mid-Ulster District Council. There can no complaints about that, though it doesn't prove widespread usage in that language. Mabuska (talk) 11:30, 16 May 2017 (UTC)