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Chavacano Wikipedia[edit]

Sorry, I had to put this on top of your user talk page. Anyway, the Chava Wiki has been approved.

It is now on incubator:

And the test page is up:

Do not announce yet, because the even the test page is still a fetus.

I need help with sandboxes, tables and divisions and etc. Im going crazy. I need a WYSIWYG software or something. Do you know of any? Can you help with the techs? If it's HTML I can prolly do the page with pure coding, but I just realized Wiki's tags are different. The test page is just as is - a test page for now. But at least the egg has been fertilized and its now a fetus! --Weekeejames 14:26, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do.--Jondel 05:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Phenomenal gross coincidence with a personal selection of mine. I need to review my memory for what her model screenname was, though.Julzes (talk) 11:20, 19 February 2011 (UTC)Mssann, and she thought the job was (quite quickly).Julzes (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Bill Mitchell User:wtmitchell[edit]

Excuse my clumsiness and my nonfamilarity with accepted communication protocols here. Apologies for inadvertant violations here of any conventions unknown to me; I am clueless. I did try to copy the form of earlier entries, and pretty tedious that was. Clues would be appreciated.

Jondel posted a welcome (back?) message in my user discussion area, and asked: "Did you inquire years ago about the difference between Pilipino, Filipino, Tagalog etc?". Answer: probably. AFAICT, Filipino died due to lack of funding of the language commission which had been tasked to create it; Pilipino is a slang-ish Tagalog based language consisting of whatever the in-crowd happens to be speaking at any point in time. Tagalog is a widely-spoken language evolving on its own independent of language-regulating bodies, much like English. Or so I understand.

Japanese Mirror[edit]

Please see WP:VPA#Non-Compliant Japanese Mirror. I appreciate your help. Superm401 | Talk 05:25, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

How do I make a user Page In Multiple Languages?[edit]

Hello, I was wondering if you could tell me how to make my userpage in other languages. I want to add a version of my userpage in spanish, french, and esperanto, but I don't know how to do this, and I'm a new user. I can see that your user page has a japanese and spanish version, so if anyone would know, it would be you. Thanks, your help would be appreciated.--Ikiroid 22:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Add tags like these [[es:Jondel]][[ja:Jondel]] (for Spanish and Japanese respectively). By the way, so how did you get into esperanto? If you have time try to investigate Interlingua . It is sooo easy.--Jondel 00:24, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, I actually have been to the interlingua page, and I want to investigate more about the language. I tagged the site with an NPOV tag a while back, before I was a user, and there seems to be a lot of dispute around it after looking at its talk page.--Ikiroid 03:02, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, I think I seriously messed up. I created a new account with the same name on the french page, so now I have a new french identity complete with a userpage, and a non-user french page. What have I done?? Am I OK with two identities of the same name on two different Wikipedias???--Ikiroid 03:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

YOUVE STARTED WWIII AND A NUCLEAR REACTION THAT WILL END THE WORLD!!! just kidding.I believe you need to create an acount on the french wikipedia at least once, with the login password and all even if a 'dummy' user page comes up. The cookies of your computers must be up. If you have created the account once, the interwiki should go that page from the cookies of your PC. I don't want to get involved with the imbroglios at the interlingua page although I'm fascinated with the langauge.I've made some suggestions to be able to achieve a consensus. I don't know if the offical interlingua committee are creating a myth that the language is based on major languages outside of romance. It is romance based and that is why it is good and why I can immediately understand it. Still, it should become popular. I'll vist your page and see what I can do.--Jondel 03:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Ok, so I guess I'll just create a username in the espanol and esperanto Wikipedias while I'm at it.--Ikiroid 05:10, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Yes . Do that first before going there from an interwiki. I placed a delete notice at the other accidental french userpage. Hmm maybe I should study esparanto anyway, also folkspraak.--Jondel 05:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
Ohayo gozaimasu Jondel, Ogenki desu ka? You'll probably learn Esperanto faster than most people since it has the same stress rules as spanish (stresson second to last syllable). Plus, like tagalog, spanish, japanese, and interlingua(? i think) it is a syllable-timed language. And if I could make a suggestion, you should move your english-comprehension rating up one or two numbers, since you seem to understand everything thrown at you in english. Gxis la revido.--Ikiroid 22:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Ohayou gozaimasu. Okage sama de genki des. Tokyo ni sunde imas. Filipinos read and write in English but converse in Tagalog or the regional dialect, after all it is an official language. English is like the language of formality, education, business, etc.Spanish is a very popular foreign language among Filipinos. I might learn Esperanto but I will probably always say that Interlingua is superior. the combination of Portuguese (Brazil), Spanish, French and Italian and the no. of people studying Latin make it far more suitable for international communication than eo(Esperanto). ia(interlingua) is almost intelligible to speakers of Spanish, Italian and Portugese. Very little learning required if you know those control languages. I'll move up my English rating.--Jondel 01:22, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

So I see. But I have another question: what do I click on in the español wikipedia in order to upload images? My spanish isn't good enough to the point where I can find it. I promise this is one of my last questions for a while.--Ikiroid 02:56, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
Hi there .. It's at es:Especial:Upload. --Chris S. 04:17, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
That's the link. But it appears as 'Subir', fourth link above the 'otros' idiomas.--Jondel 08:54, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

RfA submittals[edit]

Jondel, I am responding to your call for RfA entries and am pretty sure you would support seav and Coffee. I could nominate them if you or they like. --Ancheta Wis 01:40, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

TheCoffee is already an admin(I voted for him). It is very high time that seav becomes one.

He refused, but I would like to persuade him. He was actualy nominated as the same time as RickK but turned it down. I hope he accepts. This my proposed nomination, feel free to improve or reject. I just don't want another boring nomination: User:Jondel/Jedipromotion.--Jondel 02:00, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

That nomination text is a work of genius! You are The Man! How could seav refuse? Please let me know how I can help out. I could send notes to key members of the Council, but somehow I think your text would be more persuasive. --Ancheta Wis 22:53, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I'm nominated at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Lbmixpro. If you have the chance, can you vote? --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 01:49, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Jondel, BD2412 is in the process of nominating me at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Ancheta Wis, so your thoughts in this regard are propagating. --Ancheta Wis 15:16, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


I will try to translate this without even opening the Interlingua article, just to be fair:

Io nascive in Philippinas. Io crede in Christo sed tamben in reincarnation. Io lege le biblia multo. Io vole studiar portuguesse. Me place cognosce tu. Amicalemente.
"I was born in the Philippines. I belive in Christ and also in reincarnation. I read the Bible a lot. I want to study portuguese. I´m pleased to know you. Friendly." :-)

My pleasure, friend. I´m a brazilian who follows the hindu religion. My best friends are christian, and they believe in reincarnation - as a great many brazilians do. A great soul was born among us, Chico Xavier, who tought many here to follow the Gospels with a reincarnationist view. His life was truly beautiful. As for the Bible and reincarnation, let me just show you something that has given me a great sense of humility: Jesus himself said, I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. (John 16:12). There are many levels of understanting of the teachings, and only our heart and faith can take us to their true light. -- I apologize for the rant here, I just wanted to tell you that which I believe and that my friends are just like you. :-) One of them is even a Catholic, though, of course, the Pope´d better not know that he has befriended this pagan which I am. :-) Best, Subramanian talk 02:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Ciao friend! I'm sorry I can´t write in Interlingua, though I can understand it perfectly. English will do. No, I didn´t know Swami Roberto, seems to be a nice man. I was born a protestant, but certain doctrines were too difficult for me to accept, such as eternal damnation, so I met Gurudeva and became a Hindu. I truly can say that now I am closer to what Jesus said was ideal than I was before. I live near São Paulo, yes! Edgar Cayce seems to be a very kind, sincere man, though some people keep complaining about details such as prophetic dates and lose the scope of the work he "downloaded" from above. I'm happey there are people such as you. Best, Subramanian talk 21:04, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jondel! I just came by to say that I'm glad there are people like you. You know, sometimes a tolerant person makes us feel less alien in this world, and we remember what we were fighting for. BTW, I liked the "I try not to feed the trolls" sign. Shanti Subramanian talk 10:36, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Questions (1 Writing, 1 Wikipedia)[edit]

Hi Jondel, 2 questions lang...

1. Situation: there's this paper, paper1. paper1 quotes paper2. I want to use the same quote that paper1 quoted from paper2. I have a copy of paper1 but I do not have a copy of paper2. When I put in a footnote on my reference do I put paper2?

2. Could you do advocacy in Wikipedia? How do you do this? Could you make a webpage to coordinate and write about this advocacy?

Ago tibi gratias (tama ba?) --Nino Gonzales 07:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

1. Nino, I can not give an authoritive answer but I believe that you can give the reference to paper2 if you are very sure it can be verified (even if you only have paper 1). Strict journalists might not permit this. Copy the exact same quote/reference from paper1.

2. No you can not.

Ita vero.Yes. I am still studying latin.--Jondel 08:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Cebuano Wikipedia exists for advocacy?[edit]


On Nino Gonzales' user page on the Cebuano Wikipedia, you wrote about three things:

  1. That a lot of articles in the Cebuano wikipedia are written for the purpose of advocacy.
  2. That the Cebuano wikipedia is NOT read by English-speaking wikipedians.
  3. And the rest of the things that you wrote

First of all, before you lambast me for "interference" in other people's affairs, I think I need to introduce myself. I am Vincent "Bentong" S. Isles, the bureaucrat of the Cebuano Wikipedia, and I check the RecentChanges page daily. The reason why I am "interfering" in this communication between you and Nino is that I found your comments rather biased and unfounded.

You said: "I wrote to you here due to possible repurcussions." What repercussions do you mean? That the Cebuano wikipedia will become a rabidly "pro-Cebuano" web site? Do not be afraid. Although I (Bentong Isles) is "rabidly pro-Cebuano" in other fora, I think I have maintained my being a "wikipedian" rather than my being a language activist there at the Cebuano Wikipedia (although, of course, the very existence of the Cebuano Wikipedia and our advocacy for creation of more Wikipedias in Philippine languages is aimed ultimately to the dismantling of the privileged position of Tagalog in our country).

You wrote: "I doubt this cebuano wikipedians are read by English speaking wikipedians." Frankly speaking, I can't understand your sentence. The best message that I could make out of it is this: "I doubt (if) this (C)ebuano (W)ikipedia is read by English-speaking wikipedians." If this is what you meant, here's my response: the purpose of the Cebuano Wikipedia is the Cebuano people, not the English-speaking wikipedians. Therefore, it is NOT contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's goals to support the Cebuano Wikipedia even if English-speaking wikipedians do not read it. The Cebuano Wikipedia exists for the Cebuano community, not the English community.

You wrote: "There are lot of articles with the purpose of advocacy. Do not present the article as advocacy but present it as a neutral encyclopedic /notable article. Expect that both sides will be presented. {...} There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages."

Which articles are you referring to? I have been editing the articles in the Cebuano wikipedia since its creation last June 22, 2005, and I have never came across an article which is biased and better considered an advocacy and not as an encyclopedic entry. I do accept that I once put a notice at the top of the main page calling for all Cebuano Wikipedia users to vote in the Tagalog wikipedia's consensus building on renaming their wp "Filipino". But I was also the one who put back the link to tl-wp when it was removed by someone.

You are telling us that "There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages." I think it would help you if you look at our "Talk" namespace: Talk namespace of the Cebuano Wikipedia. When I wrote this (13:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)), there were only 9 pages under the talk namespace, and not one of them is having the dispute that you are telling us. If you are referring the English pages, then sorry, as I assumed that you are referring to the Cebuano wp because you were writing there.

So, please, please, please, consider your comments before you say something which might be perceived differently by members of the community you are trying to talk to. I know that you are willing to help us grow, and late it may be, I thank you for your support of the use of "Cebuano" for the name of our language.

Daghang salamat Bay, ug unta magmabungahon ang imong adlaw. Manalangin kanimo ang Labawng Makagagahom.

--Bentong Isles 13:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Bentong, relax lang bay.
I think Jondel is talking about Wikipedia as a whole. And when he talks about repercussions, he is refering to the fundamental philosophy of wikipedia that this question may be touching on: could Wikipedia articles be truly unbiased? Could these articles be free from the characteristic of all writing: it is written from a certain framework, a certain way of looking at the world. This is a touchy subject. I don't know the answer. But even if it is impossible to write absolutely NPOV, Jondel points out the beauty of Wikipedia: there would probably be more than one POV; with some interplay between POV's, the article would probably come out near NPOV; if not, at least the many POV's would be represented.
I'm sure that he wasn't even refering to the Cebuano Wikipedia. It is just a convenient place to discuss one of the few taboos of Wikipedia.
And just in case you are interested, the advocacy I'm planning to promote is not Cebuano. It doens't even have anything to do with the world outside of Wikipedia. I'm hoping to get Wikipedians to agree with me that Filipino should not be defined in terms of ethnicity. I do not think that being Filipino could be reduced to physical characteristics. In Philippine articles, you commonly encounter statements that rest on the assumption that being Filipino means having the physical characteristics of the ethnicity generally referred to as Malay. If you question this, people will immediately accuse you of dreaming of a meztizo Philippines (the underlying assupmtion of these people is of couse Filipinos are insecure of being brown, that's why we are trying to make the Filipino mestizo.) This completely misses the point. Filipino could neither be defined as some Malay race or some mestizo race because being Filipino is beyond race!
I know that some famous academicians write with this POV (e.g., Agoncillo). This should spur us to be more vigilant in ensuring that Philippine articles should not be written from this viewpoint, because Wikipedia should be written from a neutral viewpoint.
This means that statements like this should be immediately annihilated:
The Philippines is composed of 95% Filipinos, 3% Chinese and 2% Spanish
A more NPOV statement would be:
The ethnic composition of the Philippines is 40% Bisaya, 24% Tagalog, 3% Chinese, etc...
The ethnic composition of the Filipino people is 95% Malay, 3% Chinese, etc..
(although a guy named Chris Sundita is passionately advocating that Mala is not the right word to use)
I was hoping to put into a page all these reasons why Filipino should not be defined by ethnicity. Maybe I'll just use my home page.
Matsalams! --Nino Gonzales 14:30, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Why should the Filipinos not be defined by ethnicity when the "Filipino" is an ethnicity itself? I am currently studying anthropology and according to what I am learning, the term Filipino fits every criteria of an ethnicity. A better way of rephrasing the above would be - 95% of Filipinos belong to one of the many ethnolinguistic groups, 3% are of Chinese ancestry, less than 1% are Spanish, etc. And yes, avoid Malay all together. --Chris S. 05:21, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, I guess we agree that this statement is wrong: "The Philippines is composed of 95% Filipinos, 3% Chinese, etc..."? Would you help in eliminating these kind of statements?
But I guess we are not in agreement to "ethnicity". What are the criteria for a group of people to be considered an ethnicity? I guess you could be right based on your definition of ethnicity. The current Wikipedia definition is "An ethnic group is a culture or subculture whose members are readily distinguishable by outsiders based on traits originating from a common racial, national, linguistic, or religious source. Members of an ethnic group are often presumed to be culturally or genetically similar, although this is not in fact necessarily the case."
Common Race? Definitely not. Race is also an ambiguous concept. I read a book from a nationalist scholar saying that Filipinos belong to the Brown Race. But what would that make of Cory Aquino or Manuel Quezon? And is there really such thing as race?
Common nation? I think this is generally accepted. However, people like David Martinez are questioning this.
Common language? If this means Filipinos can speak a common language, I guess that is true. Most can speak Tagalog or English or Cebuano. But does that make Filipino an ethnicity? Most North Americans speak Engish, but that doesn't make North American an ethnicity. If the language in common language means native tongue, it couldn't be common... there are 167 right?
Common religion? Obviously not.
In my opinion, Filipinos do not belong to one ethnicity, and Filipino is not an ethnicity as defined by Wikipedia, and in the same way that Ilocano, Tagalog, Bisaya, Tamil, Basque, Polish is an ethnicity.
I also think that Filipino can be described by ethnicity; by % of different ethnicities. But I do not think it is beneficial to do so. I think Filipino should be defined in terms of politics or history.--Nino Gonzales 03:12, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Replied at Bentong's page.--Jondel 03:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Iglesia ni Cristo[edit]

Thank you for your comments at talk:Iglesia ni Cristo, as far as the article is now,it's been locked for two days, and I've taken your suggestion and opened a consensus section at Talk:Iglesia ni Cristo#Suggestions?, as a neutral party I'd appreciate your input on these matters. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 09:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I did.--Jondel 10:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I replied to some of them at INC's talk page. There will be a lot of work to be done with the article, since we need to cite a lot of content for this. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 10:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

If you check out the sources section of the talk page, there's a link to a forum post where someone transcribed an INC information booklet. The problem with it though is that it can't be verified, BECAUSE it was from a forum. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 08:50, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I got caught up with the arguments.--Jondel 08:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Arguments suck, and basically a "debate" is an argument. Makes me want to take the article to Wikinfo and build it up there. There's also a good amount of info within the archives, although about 2/3 of it is arguing from everybody involved at one time or another. LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 10:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

disruptive user[edit]

See User talk:Woohookitty#Iglesia ni Cristo for links and details about the whole situation. Blocking won't work since he's using open proxies to edit. My best bet would be for Fred Bauder to issue a WP:RFAr/AER. I'm getting sick and tired of having this article locked, as much as everybody else here. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 07:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Arrghh.Arbs are a lot of work for sysops. --Jondel 08:27, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
They are? Well, I guess I'll just take your advice. Anyways, How about the suggestions I wrote on the talk page? We've been so caught up in the Unitarian/Nontrinitarian discussion, we haven't been dealing with the other issues. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 08:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, it's time for another archival of INC's talk page, and this time I refactored the protocol section. I hope you're still able to work with the INC article in the face of all that was happening. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 11:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

No. Please continue your 'fight' this is what wiki is here for. I will work on what is available.--Jondel 10:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Most of the active editors have been "fighting" over the last six months, ever since the article (or WP) gained popularity. I think we all want some kind of resolution. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 11:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I encourage you to delete disruptive comments by anonymous ips to move faster.--Jondel 11:43, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Advocacy (part 2)[edit]

Presentation of facts[edit]

To make things clearer, I submit the following:

I wrote to you here due to possible repurcussions. I doubt this cebuano wikipedians are read by English speaking wikipedians. There are lot of articles with the purpose of advocacy. Do not present the article as advocacy but present it as a neutral encyclopedic /notable article. Expect that both sides will be presented. I wrote an article about Paco Larranaga (enye at the n) There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages. BTW, Pigafetta wrote the first Malay -Italian dictionary which should be the first Cebuano Italian dictionary because the words were Cebuano. This was written with Enrique and I am searching for this dictionary. If you known anything please let me know. -- 08:29, 22 Nobiyembre 2005 (UTC) Jondel from the English wikipedia.

  • That, on the time and date indicated above, I wrote the reply above.
  • That, on the time and date indicated in the message below, you wrote the following on my user page here on the English wikipedia:


Please assume good faith and stop jumping to conclusions.

What is wrong with you??

You know you shouldn't interfer, but you did it any way?? What do you want me to do now? And considering that you're already a bureaucrat!!

Did you know that Seav refuses to be an administrator because he is afraid of being censured of not knowing how to behave like one? ika nya ' he should know he's an administrator.

How did my words get misinterpreted into rabidly "pro-Cebuano" web site?" ?

You know there are only a few of us Philippino wikipedians and we are our own worst enemy because we interfere, jump to the wrong conclusions and assume the worst and instead of assuming good faith and misinterpret .


The reason I say advocacy is for example, is that I hope Paco Larrana will get justice which I don't feel he has now. By writing an encylopedic article I hope to bring more attention to his case. But I am neutral about presenting the article . There are sooo many similar cases.

Why are saying I thank you for your support of the use of "Cebuano" for the name of our language.

Did you know that I contributed a lot to the Cebuano language article here at wikipedia? Did you know that I contributed a lot of info about the Cebuano language and even translated or will be translating this into Spanish? You can say that I'm biased because I'm for Cebuano and have been promoting it even If I'm not a native. But that's not what you mean don't you?

> the purpose of the Cebuano Wikipedia is the Cebuano people, not the English-speaking wikipedians. Therefore, it is NOT contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's goals to support the Cebuano Wikipedia even if English-speaking wikipedians do not read it. The Cebuano Wikipedia exists for the Cebuano community, not the English community.

Why are you telling me something I already know? PLEASE DO NOT MISINTEPRET AND THEN ASSUME THE WORST CONCLUSION. Did you somehow misinterpret "I doubt (if) this (C)ebuano (W)ikipedia is read by English-speaking wikipedians." into being contrary to Wikimedia Foundation's goals to support the Cebuano Wikipedia . How did this come about???

>Which articles are you referring to? I have been editing the articles in the Cebuano wikipedia since its creation last June 22, 2005, and I have never came across an article which is biased and better considered an advocacy and not as an encyclopedic entry. I do

I have written articles about Languages in the Philippines to advocate a greater awareness to help solve language problems. (We have language problems wheter you are aware of it or not), I wrote a section in the Section in the Cebuano language to advocate that a greater awarenes of Cebuano and certain Cebuanos feel that Tagalog is unfairly dominating, at least during the time of Quezon. There is an article of Hare Krishna which is advocating there presence and awareness of their religion but is made to will appear as encyclopedic.

Please stop interfering and assuming the worst. WP:Assume good faith. Live up to being an ideal bereaucrat!! If you keep assuming the worst in Filipinos , pretty soon we will be at each other's throats. By the way, I don't understand the last paragraph.--Jondel 03:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Interpretation of facts[edit]

First, I submit that, based on your message on Nino's user page on the Cebuano Wikipedia, I understood you mean the Cebuano Wikipedia when you wrote wikipedia. I submit the following arguments for consideration:

  • That, on the seventh sentence of said message, you wrote: "There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages."; and that, based on common sense and a basic understanding of the English language, the word here can only be understood to mean the Cebuano Wikipedia, because the message was in the Cebuano Wikipedia and the page itself was in the domain me of the Cebuano Wikipedia;
  • That, here could not have meant the English Wikipedia, because Nino has a user page here on the English wikipedia, and if you have meant the message for the English wikipedia, you could have used his English user page.
  • Aggravated further, by the second sentence, "I doubt this cebuano wikipedians are read by English speaking wikipedians.", which we, based on circumstance, have liberally taken to mean "I doubt (that) this (C)ebuano (W)ikipedia {and not wikipedians} are read by English speaking wikipedinas", because read does not have a sense for reading a person.
  • Not asserting, however, that there is no possibility of a mistake, and, on the contrary, understanding that there might have been a mistake and that a message which was supposed to be put in the English user page of Nino was put on the Cebuano user page; providing, however, that if that be the case, the fault is entirely yours, as you were the one who were not very careful in checking the location of the page before you start editing it.

Second, I also submit that you meant that Nino should be careful not to write articles with a certain POV, given the following sentences:

  • There are lot of articles with the purpose of advocacy. (sentence 3)
  • Do not present the article as advocacy but present it as a neutral encyclopedic /notable article. (an exhortation if not a command -- sentence 4)
  • There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages. (sentence 7)

I submit for consideration of the community the fact that I acted based on information I have received, and that my interpretation is a reasonable interpretation given the facts that I have referred to.


To general issues[edit]

On your message on my English user page, you assert the following:

  1. I did not assume good faith. (Please assume good faith and stop jumping to conclusions.)
  2. I jumped to conclusions. (Please assume good faith and stop jumping to conclusions.)
  3. I am interfering.

On the third issue, I do not care to defend my case, as we haven't agreed on the proper definition of interference, and I would take the word operationally, to mean the most liberal sense it has, and that is including any and all actions which would be considered as an interference even by the most unreasonable person in the planet.

On the first and second issues, I throw to the community the question of whether I assumed good faith or not, and also the question of whether I jumped (unreasonably, I presume) to conclusions or not. That in the first place is the reason why I am quoting your messages here.

To specific issues[edit]

  • On the question of what I want you to do now.
Please before you write something in someone else's user page, think that he is a member of a community, and that your words are not private to that person. What you wrote in the Nino's Cebuano user page is totally unfounded (There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages.) and therefore I felt that I must react as I am a member of the community.
  • On how your words were misinterpreted to mean rabidly pro-Cebuano site
You wrote in Nino's user page that "There are lot of articles with the purpose of advocacy." (sentence 3); that Nino should "not present the article as advocacy but present it as a neutral encyclopedic /notable article." (sentence 4); that he should "Expect that both sides will be presented." (sentence 5) and finally that "There are a lot of articles here that exist for the purpose of advocacy with their corresponding disputes at the talk pages." (sentence 7). If you do not mean the Cebuano pages by this message, sorry, but the message was in the Cebuano Wikipedia.
  • On how we Philippine wikipedians are our own worst enemies
No comment. It is interesting to note though that on Dec. 2003, the Tagalog Wikipedia was set up. It needed nearly two years to have the next Wikipedia in a Philippine language to be set up. Surprisingly, after the Cebuano and Capampangan wikipedias were set up, Waray and Ilocano followed suit immediately. And then again there is the (still open, as per wiki spirit) proposal at the Tagalog Wikipedia to rename themselves the Filipino Wikipedia. (You can browse the comments here.)

I call on the community to decide the merits of this appeal.

--Bentong Isles 08:05, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Problem with the cats[edit]

Hey, I was having a hearty discussion with User:CalJW. Strange that he mentioned you, for I was using other arguments. Pls see User_talk:Noypi380#Category:Philippine_sites to see what is being discussed. --Noypi380 04:48, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Noypi,I am grateful that we share the same views. I fail to see how a site category is not needed and don't see how others don't feel the need for this category. However as everything is done in due process I have to let things go their own way.--Jondel 04:06, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
OK, that's cool. The "rename as nominated" have it. After its renamed, I'll help you out in whatever it is as named, after my vacation of course. :) --Noypi380 02:45, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Blocking disrupter at INC[edit]

I've been blocking a disrupter of the Iglesia ni Cristo.Advice?Regards.--Jondel 11:21, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for helping out. They have been coming to me, but I have lost track of the situation, I have too many other things to do. Don't block for long, if it is the one I used checkuser on he's coming in from all over the world from different ips.


Hey, that might be deleted if you don't give it a source. Do you have one for it? If not tell me and I'll delete it, otherwise you should find the source so its copyright isn't in question. gren グレン 00:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I created it part from. I'll look into it.--Jondel 00:43, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

It won't necessarily be checked. The tag has been on for more than 7 days so I could have deleted it but I figured that would have been pretty impolite. It makes things much easier if you put sources when you upload. gren グレン 07:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

But you can't upload without stating sources or mentioning the copyright issues. What is the point of the check box then at the upload page? I created this image.--Jondel 07:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I'd just save the hassle and use one of these templates: {{GFDL-self}}, {{PD-self}}, etc... --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 09:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support![edit]

I'm not Danny Bonaduce, but if he ever ran, I'd get behind him. I really do think he's cool, and he should consider.Danny Bonaduce For President! 01:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm just kidding.He's an actor? Enjoy your stay here.--Jondel 01:47, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

My R-F-A[edit]

My adminship request was successful!
Thank you
Thank you so much for your support of my RfA. The results of the request was 18/0/1. With the help of your support vote, I am now a bona-fide Wikipedia sysop/admin. I pledge to use my newfound powers for the good of Wikipedia and its editors. If you have anything to tell me, dont hesitate to "speak on it"!. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!>

Hooray! You'vwe done it boy! You've hit the big time . Now hit the mop. There 's lots of work to do. Congrats again.--Jondel 11:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd rather get my RC-Patrol pistol and play Vandal Hunt, special CVU edition.


Please tag Image:Lazykat.JPG appropriately or please delete it. -Thanks 02:36, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

newbie username question[edit]

Hi and thx for the greeting! As a reward i'll fwd you this question which, after reading around a fair bit, i posted to Wikipedia talk:Username :

when i fell in love with wikipedia, i made a few minor edits w/o an account. then i created one, but my legal name and common username alyosha was unavailable, so i went to ALYOSHA and made a few edits under that. then that started to feel like shouting, so im looking at settling on "alyosha". is that ok? are either of these too similar to alyosha? -- im not trying to impersonate. but alyosha will show up Alyosha, right? and are "s ok? thx for any help. "alyosha" 03:08, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

again, thx! "alyosha" 07:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. Do you have a user account ALYOSHA? Can you log in with a password? I'll read up on the WP:User name.--Jondel 08:09, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Thx for the resp! Yes re ALYOSHA, but im ready to stay "alyosha" -- it seems to look and work fine and doesnt shout. so my only remaining question is whether theyre different enough from Alyosha to meet the guideline "No confusing or misleading usernames, eg: Names which can be confused with other contributors. (If someone else is using a nickname that you wish to use, please consider using your real name or an alternative pseudonym instead. In the unlikely event that someone else is editing Wikipedia with your real name, please add a middle name or some other way of distinguishing between you and the existing contributor)". ? Thx again, "alyosha" 22:16, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
The reason behind this guideline is because there are many imposters, vandalizers, hoaxers etc. Who knows , an a hoaxer could pose as you and vandalize. A lot of us don't like to have these rules but that leaves wikipedia vulnerable and abusable.--Jondel 09:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Thx yet again, and sorry to take so much of your time. I understand and support the reason for the guideline. I just want to get a stable name and get on with things, and id like to use my legal and std name, so what i still cant tell is whether the wikipedia norm is 1] Alyosha and "alyosha" are too similar; theyre typographically different but the same word, so they could be confused, => pick a more different name. Or 2] theyre different enough, like zillions of similar username situations (like alyosha vs alyosha32), so "alyosha" is fine and get back to editing! Thx, "alyosha" 19:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
I've taken enough of your time. My sense is that 2 is the case, and that in fact the "s look quite distinct, so i'll stay put. Thx for your help and see ya round. "alyosha" 04:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
No you haven't taken up much of my time. Sometimes it takes me a long time to answer. I don't see anything wrong with 2] either so use it. See you around. Are you the one who edited SLAN? Great book! I wish they made it into a movie.--Jondel 08:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Pete Price[edit]

Two weeks have passed and it is still locked. -- Fplay 04:47, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'm about to unlock. Thanks.--Jondel 04:50, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Pete Price. Not Peter Price! Please try again. -- Fplay 05:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. It should be unlocked by now.--Jondel 05:19, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Pedro's Photo[edit]

How do you know if it is released? What I know is it's everywhere--stampitas, posters, magazines... --Nino Gonzales 02:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Starting a Wikipedia in Chabacano[edit]

Hello there good friend!! I see that you have great knowledge of the Chabacano language of the Philippines. I'm thinking of starting a Wikipedia in Chabacano de Cavite or Chabacano de Zamboanga. Which of the two do you know more?? And oh, if you know those two Chabacano (like you know to speak them) I may ask you for some help on translations for example. So yes, take cares!!

Finally!!I've always been interested in that language. The truth is I know some Spanish not Chavacano. It seems easy to learn though. Bien venido!.Viva le revoluccion de Chavacano!--Jondel 12:40, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


I found a children's book in National bookstore about this guy. The writer is a certain Ms. Pacis. She says she wrote a thesis on the guy. Her thesis might have some good data for your research... --Nino Gonzales 03:41, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you know her full name? I will try searching through the web. The dictionary is what I need since Malaysians (and Indonesians )are claiming he is one of their natives. I need proof.--Jondel 04:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Carla Pacis... I took a look again and it didn't say thesis but research... which could mean anything...
But here's what Nick Joaquin has to say:
"He took back with him (referring to Magellan) to Portugal a Malay manservant known as Enrique of Malacca, who would join him on his 1521 voyage of discovery. The theory is that Enrique was really a Visayan, for when the Magellan expedition reached Cebu, Enrique found he could talk with the Cebuanos in their own language. He may have been a Cebuano who had gone, or was taken, to Malacca when he was a boy--or, again, may he not have been picked up by Magellan during his 1521 excursion to the Philippines?" (Culture and History p. 146)--Nino Gonzales 06:26, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


At my library I put a hold on Charles Nowell's Magellan's voyage around the world; three contemporary accounts; it should come to me by this Saturday at the earliest. I have read this book before and saw Pigafetta's mini glossary of Cebuano terms. It's not a dictionary, though.

Anyway, I decided to search Google to see if the words were there. And I did find them at Dr. Jessie Rubrico's website - she's a linguist specializes in Cebuano and other Philippine languages.

As I said, nandoon ang listahan ng mga salita - ikinumpara ni Dr. Rubrico sa modern Cebuano. Kaya lang, Jondel, ewan ko kung ang mga salitang iyon ay galing kay Enrique o sa ibang tao. Siguro malalaman natin sa libro Nowell. But yeah, Bisayang-Bisaya ang mga isinulat ni Pigafetta sa kaniyang bokabularyo - I mean "bilat" is there. hahaha. --Chris S. 05:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Merci beacoup mon ami!! This is very useful.At least as a start. I'll try incorporate this in the Enrique article. I guess I'm not too good with google searches.--Jondel 05:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Aucun problème - c'est un plaisir ! ... Ok, meron pa 'kong nahanap: Go to page 187 of The Philippine Islands 1493-1803. Pigafetta's translated account is there as well as the vocabulary. Also check this out - pages 84 and 209+. --Chris S. 05:27, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks again. How come, in the first link you said some words may not have come from Enrique? I just have to be careful . I'll check out the second and third links now.--Jondel 05:46, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, I don't know the context of the words. Did Pigafetta get them from Enrique or did he get them straight from the natives of Zubu (Cebu)? Also, check out this usenet thread about Enrique. I think there is no definitive proof on Enrique's ethnicity - so you just have to present evidence from both sides. --Chris S. 08:04, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Enrique . I know that Pigafetta worked on the dictionary with Enrique before they arrived to the Philippines( where is that source again! ). It was supposed to be the first Italian Malay dictionary but the words were unmistakably old cebuano but recognizable to be visayan(cebuano, many words are similar to ilonggo ). I looked at the second and third links from the university website. Very good for future references but little on the dictionary. Sooner or later somebody is going to contend or dispute that Enrique is from Cebu. Be the firstest with the bestest (proof). I'll be checking your fourth link. Merci, encore. --Jondel 08:17, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

About the usenet thread. This seems to be a debate I already know. The definite, conclusive, undeniable proof is the purported Italian-Malay dictionary of Pigafetta. If the words were old Cebuano, this will establish that Enrique is in fact from Cebu.--Jondel 08:29, 28 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the speedy block. The little muppet got another one in (Burger King) but I've rvv'ed that as well. IainP (talk) 09:59, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Your welcome.Glad I could help.--Jondel 10:01, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Re: Iglesia[edit]

Well, according to the copy of "Introducing the Iglesia ni Cristo" which is posted on the Truthfinder site and that forum, INC does believe Jesus is God.

I put it up there because it was also on the JW article as well. I'm currently looking through that booklet and summarize it even more. I'll edit the current draft in the talk page about it. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!>

If they believe that Jesus is God, then who is 'the Father' and Holy Spirit according to them. Also this contradicts their non-trinitarian stance. I 'm confused. I'll leave it to you.--Jondel 10:56, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Here's the booklet. The Father is God, the Creator. The Holy Spirit is the power God gave to his messengers to convey Christ's message, as well as the same power which helps believers with their problems. That link I sent (if accurate itself) is a goldmine of info when it comes to the beliefs of INC.--LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 11:22, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Admin star[edit]

Admin star

Thank you for your support. I hereby award you an Admin star (8 pointed). --Ancheta Wis 16:47, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Suberbelated thanks. I'm honored. Thank you!--Jondel 06:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Father Dámaso[edit]

So, Jondel, we cross edits again, eh?

The first sentence of the Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal states that the article is about the late twentieth century underage sex scandals, not past nor continuing abuses. Maria Clara's fictional mother lived in the nineteenth century and I don't think she was underaged, as Pia and Tiago had been married and childless for many years when Damaso told them about Ubanda. The text of the RCCsas article is very focused on the present situation, especially the hierarchy's response to pedo/ephebophilia and the effects on the present-day Church, with little discussion of historical clerical abuse. So, I repeat, nothing to do with the article; no relevancy except rape 'n' priests.

The "See also" section should probably link to a more general article on clerical celibacy or clerical abuse. I will definitely unlink Roman Catholic Church sex abuse scandal, but after I do research for a more appropriate article. Fair enough?

→ (AllanBz ) 15:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Again? Which or what was the first conflict? (Bible and reincarnation?)

Written in jest; we have mostly taken the same sides in the José Rizal article.

Does the article have to be limited to underage sex scandals? The title of the article does not indicate underage sex scandal (I know the contents focus on underage sex scandals). Do you really feel it should be unlinked? The point of the link is that it is abuse is not new. There are lot of people who suffered and were degraded because of it in Philippine society. Maria Clara and real mothers went crazy in the story (and real life) under the Spanish colonial society.

I did not write that the RCCsas ought to be limited to underage sex scandals in the late twentieth century, but that is what it is. If you read the RCCsas article, it would take significant restructuring and much much more material to make it more general and thus relevant to the Damaso article. It is possible, but it would change the focus of the article entirely, and I believe that the RCCsas article's focus addresses a specific need and ought to remain a unit, though perhaps under a different title.
As you wrote yourself, lot of abuse came about due to the structure of Spanish colonialism and how it enabled corrupt priests, rather than how Church hierarchy practices enabled disordered priests. A more general article on clerical corruption or clerical abuse should point to both articles, as well as the Magdalene abuse of power (inhumane treatment of orphans or novices, wasn't it?) you mention below.

Unlink it but please understand the above. I may consider then, creating article of Historical sexual abuse of Roman Church considering that it is excluded then from article. There really was a lot of abuse and not only in the US and Mexico . The Magdelene Sisters or Reformatory should be linked. There was sexual abuse.

As I wrote earlier, I would not unlink it until I found a more relevant or general article to replace the link. I do not deny that there have been abuses of power or corrupt priests, only that the specific article link has much to do with Father Damaso. I would link Father Damaso to clerical abuse if it existed, or clerical celibacy if it had more information. It would take a lot more work on either of those or RCCsas, work I don't care to do myself.

--Jondel 16:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

→ (AllanBz )) 17:41, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Belated Barnstar[edit]

I, Ikiroid, award you this barnstar for helping me out while I was a Wikinoob. Sorry about the award being one and a half months late. Keep up the good work!

I'm honored. Thank you!--Jondel 06:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry--you've already thanked me twice on my userpage :)--The ikiroid (talk/parler/hablar/paroli/说/話) 13:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Reverting edits[edit]

Hi, Jondel. Sorry I reverted edits to your talk page; at first glance, I thought the anon IP was editing your user page. In any case, I don't think you'll miss the edits.  ;) —Cleared as filed. 17:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for the start. I voted already too. :) --Noypi380 10:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome. :)--Jondel 23:59, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


I appologise, I did not realize that editing the user page was vandalism. I placed my message on the discussion page as well. It shall not happen again. --HomerJay603 01:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Portuguese, hatha yoga[edit]

Hello friend! Nice to hear from you. I will be happy to help you with the Portuguese version, just show me it! As for hatha yoga, as far as I know, it is spiritually useful as it helps the body release some low-vibrational energies that would drag us to lower states of consciousness and improves our control of this physical vehicle. Of course, it´s important to focus on the use of the body as a vehicle, or hatha would be counter-productive and draw our attention excessively to the body.

I would also thank you for your help on Karma in Christianity. Shanti! Subramanian talk 10:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Your welcome with the Karma in C. Christians should really should know that Karma, Grace and Sin occur even in thoughts. Pls see my comment at the reincarnation page at the Spanish site. I am more oriented with Raja and thought activities. But in this yoga program, hatha is included and uh, I 'm not interested in health . But what do I know? There maybe spritiual benefits. Hopefully as you saw, the body as a vehicle would carry higher vibrations. I have to think about since it will take some time and effort. --Jondel 00:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I suggest you let your body decide :) try some of it and, if you don´t feel good after some sessions, it´s not for you.
I don´t speak Spanish, not actually. I can understand and read but not write it. We brazilians are always amazed at how easy it is for us to understand Spanish and how difficult it is for them to understand Portuguese or any other latin language - and therefore, I suppose, Interlingua. Something to do with neural and linguistic structures. Shanti. Subramanian talk 02:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Limiting the edits to registered users for Ethnic Groups in the Philippines[edit]

Oh all powerful admin, I would like to request for the above. This might help in improving the quality of the article. Thanks.--Nino Gonzales 03:11, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

all powerful? seesh. Kneel, you are stepping on holy ground! I will make a note and implement this. I hope there would be no objections .--Jondel 03:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
hehe. thanks. We're discussing guidelines in writing the Ethnic groups in the Philippines article in the Tambayan. Would appreciate your inputs! --Nino Gonzales 13:51, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


Pls visit AfD Cyberservices, and see an article created by the same "user" - AfD Philippine Cyberservices Corridor. Pls encourage more well known users to make a vote. I have a suspicion that there will be a flood of posts from anons, and new users in those two AfDs. Thanks. Wikipedia is not for promotion. --Noypi380 11:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I put in a vote at the Philippine Cyberservices Corridor. Too late for the Cyberservices, sorry.--Jondel 04:33, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Removal[edit]

I want to remove an image I uploaded, because I've uploaded it in wiki commons, so it's no longer nedded. How do I do this? The image is "Ikiroid.JPG".--ikiroid | (talk) 04:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

List it on Wikipedia:Images for deletion.--Jondel 01:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Alright, is it that easy on the spanish, french, and experanto wikipedias? I just want them all to link to the one image in Commons.--ikiroid | (talk) 20:20, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure. For the French, I believe you just have to list it at fr:Wikipedia:Images à supprimer (yes, the french link). I don't know esperanto. I will investigate spanish after this.--Jondel 00:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
OK, I took care of the french one (a guy named Korg gave me a detailed explanation about how it all works in addition to what you said). If you can help me with the spanish that would be good, but I think I could figure out the esperanto one. Lol...I feel like such an idiot for uploading the image to 4 different wikipedias...--ikiroid | (talk) 02:44, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

There was no [[:es:Wikipedia:Imagen]] nor any of the delete images page that I could find at the Spanish wiki. Almost everyone here makes idiotic mistakes. --Jondel 04:00, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Apstar.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Apstar.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 01:36, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

That should take care of it -Thanks Nv8200p talk 14:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Nang Nak[edit]

Just wanted to come back and say that the Nang Nak article is starting to look pretty good. Well done for starting it (if you'd not bothered thinking I'd be doing it my guess is there still wouldn't be too much there). I've added some more detail from a Thai perspective on some of the cultural items (the skull crushing and who the monk is). KayEss | talk 17:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Good that you added material from the Thai perspective. More people really should watch the movie. It rates up there with Stephen King movies. I like the scary part where the wife stretches her hand all the way to the ground and the horrified husband realizes for the first time that she is a ghost. Awesome movie.--Jondel 08:56, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Please look at this page[edit]

If you are a supporter of Don Bosco, take a look at this page.

Rizal & Philippines[edit]

Ca va bien? How are you these days? Could I ask where the ine in Philippines came from? I know about King PHilip the II. Also I am looking for the etymology of ricial , the original name of Rizal. I just need leads . I am attemping a latin version. Best regards John

Oui, ça va et j'espère que tout va bien avec toi. I think the ine in Philippines and the in in Filipinas makes it into an adjective. As for Rizal - rizal > ricial > ricio > recidīvus - which is from Latin rebirth. The DRAE defines ricial as "Se dice de la tierra en que, después de cortado el trigo en verde, vuelve a nacer o retoñar" and also "Se dice de la tierra sembrada de verde para que se lo coma el ganado". If you're doing a name, you usually don't have to translate it. So I don't think it would be Josephus Recidivus or whatever, would it? --Chris S. 07:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I yes, I think so. Or rather Iosephus Recidivus since they don't want to use J over at the latin wiki. Muchas gracias.--Jondel 06:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

User subpages[edit]

How does one go about creating user subpages, like the sites on your page under "cow"?--ikiroid | (talk) 21:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I figured it out.--ikiroid | (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:DarthTroll.JPG)[edit]

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If you have uploaded other fair use media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any fair use images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Shyam (T/C) 07:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Delete.--Jondel 08:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


Although you are not the uploader of this image, your subpage User:Jondel/AdvancedScat is the only page using it, thus I figured I would warn you that it will be deleted in seven days if no source is provided. — Mar. 13, '06 [11:37] <freakofnurxture|talk>

Please delete it.--Jondel 23:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

RE: user aka NoToFrauds aka TroyVaughn aka NoToNutss aka ??[edit]

Hi Jondel,

Sorry to bother you with this matter, but the invidivual in the header line here has been creating headaches for editors and sysops alike. I'm coming specifically to you with this note because you already blocked him once before under the handle-less IP (looks like he erased any trace of that on his discussion page). He has further posed as a sysop, and claimed that his 'partners in crime' are sysops in order to dissuade new editors like myself from making additions. I'm surprised other Sysops haven't proceeded to block his other handles. He has only been destructive on here, and has yet to offer a single constructive edit. Sysop Fire Star has been moderating a discussion on the talk:Mahavatar Babaji page, which this individual has continued to sabotage. He has also written a note here: user talk:TroyVaughn - basically a note to himself - his other handle, illustrating his future intentions as destructive to the spirit of wikipedia. The other sysops that were involved at different times are: CambridgeBayWeather, and Djoorjam.

The result of this behavior is that my colleagues who originally asked me to make the contributions that I have been making since I started with Wikipedia, have told me that it is not worth it to bother with this and waste my time, as this individual will never stop trying to malign us. I am coming to you as a final plea for help before I leave the forum here - what should I do? Is there anything I can do? Or do I just have to take it or leave it? Your suggestions would be appreciated.

My proposal, which you may or may not deem as plausible, is to block all the associated IPs, after doing a review of them to check evidence of them being from the same individual, in order to make it as hard for this person as possible to continue this action. Of course, I understand that I am not an unbiased observer...but that's what I feel to be the most productive course of action. Hamsacharya dan 04:37, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I really would like to investigate this but at the moment my real day to day job is occupying a lot of time. I will try my best this weekend but I can't promise anything.--Jondel 08:43, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Carlos Blanco[edit]

I was about to nominate this page for deletion, as I can't verify a single thing on it. As far as I can tell, Carlos Blanco is only a self-proclaimed child prodigy, and all info that seems to be about this Carlos Blanco appears on Wikipedia mirrors. Have you verified something I haven't? Because I really think that page needs to be userfied. Mangojuice 14:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

No. If you feel the page should be deleted please do nominate it for deletion. My wikifying or categorizing the page doesn't mean that I condone or agree it should be on wikipedia. However, please also consider if he is indeed notable or encyclopediable in the Spanish world.--Jondel 14:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
What I've managed to verify is that he has a website in spanish, and he's written a couple of articles in spanish that appear on I'm fairly impressed that someone so young could do this... but, that doesn't mean he's really notable. I don't read spanish, and I don't know if those articles are peer-reviewed or not, but even if they are, writing a couple of academic articles doesn't establish anything. I'm going to AfD it; it MIGHT be controversial. Mangojuice 14:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Belated Barnstar[edit]

Rosetta Barnstar Congratulations!!!

This Rosetta Barnstar is presented to Jondel from LBMixPro for tranlating the INC articles. May you continue to be a good contributer to Wikipedia.

LBMixPro, I'm honored. Thank you very much!.--Jondel 05:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Please review the Eimoji article[edit]

If you have any extra time, I was wondering if you could take a look at the stub I created on Eimoji. Since I've gotten the information from a somewhat old book, I don't know if the info is relevant. You live in Japan, so I figured you would know if this exists. Thank you!--The ikiroid (talk/parler/hablar/paroli/说/話) 02:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, it was turned into a redirect for Emoji.--The ikiroid (talk/parler/hablar/paroli/说/話) 14:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


I see you contribute translating articles. If you wan't some help with catalan articles, please visit me there, (I'm barcelona)

of course i can help you with es:José Rizal, i don't know interlingua. How would you like to work? Just tell me in my discussion page. I can help with Spanish and Catalan (barcelona)

Wiki essays[edit]

Hi Jondel,

Do you like essays? I was looking for a wiki in the web where you could write essays (of whatever topic), get feedback from readers the community (just like Wikipedia), and continuously improve the essays; but I couldn’t find any. Would you like to start something like this? Do you think Wikicities would be a good place to put this? I made an FAQ to explain it more:

What are Wiki essays?[edit]

Wiki essays are essays posted in a wiki.

What are essays?[edit]

According to Wikipedia,

An essay is a short work that treats a topic from an author's personal point of view, often taking into account subjective experiences and personal reflections upon them. Essays are usually brief works in prose, but works in verse are sometimes dubbed essays (e.g. Alexander Pope's An Essay on Criticism (1711) and An Essay on Man (1733-1734). Many voluminous and famous works refer to themselves as essays (e.g. John Locke's An Essay Concerning Human Understanding (1690), Thomas Malthus's An Essay on the Principle of Population (1798)).
Virtually anything may be the subject of an essay. Topics may include actual happenings, issues of human life, morality, ethics, religion and many others. An essay is, by definition, a work of non-fiction, and is often expository.

What are the differences between Wiki essays and Wikipedia?[edit]

  1. You don’t need to be NPOV, although you can be
  2. Essays don’t have to be verifiable, although they will be more believable if they are
  3. Essays can be written in the first person
  4. Essays are personal; therefore, changes should only be made by the writer and those allowed by him (who, if he wants, could be everyone in the world)

What are the differences between blogs and Wiki essays?[edit]

  1. Blog entries are (generally) static. Wiki essays receive feedback from readers in terms of content and writing (just like Wikipedia), and could be continuously improved by its author/s.
  2. Blogs are (generally) biographical journals. Essays could also be biographical, but perhaps not as commonly as blogs.

--Nino Gonzales 01:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks very good but very unexplored territory(for me)! One of the most influential essays I've read is compensation by Emerson. I'm very sure a lot of other Filipinos have a lot of untapped potential contributions to make. I don't know much about this yet. I 'll explore essay sites in wikicities. --Jondel 01:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this correct spanish grammar?[edit]

Sorry to bother you about this, but I need you to proofread this. I modified my español babelbox so that it says the following: Este usuario puede apenas contribuir con un nivel básico de español, pero lo dude que puede te entender. Tiene que hacer de uso del diccionario cuando escriba. Is this correct grammar? I'm unsure about my use of the subjunctive, since it doesn't exist in english, and my placement of "apenas" may be wrong. If you could help me with this, that would be wonderful.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 20:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

1)'puede te entender'. If you use 'te' then it should be 'puedes (tu ) entender' or 'puedas entender . I feel it should be se pueda entendar (pueda -subjunctive with dude) 2)'dude' -someone doubts? Maybe ' dudo' I doubt? Don't use the subjunctive of dudar. 3)Tiene que hacer de uso del diccionario cuando escriba. -Who is communicating here? If yourself then I would say, Tengo que usar el diccionario cuando escriba.

I hope you don't mind if I post this at the help discussion. Please go there. There are gazillions of native speakers and experts better qualified.--Jondel 00:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry it's so ambiguous. The "puede" "dude" are supposed to be for Ello/a, not usted, so I probably should have written that in. It's supposed to say "This user can barely contribute on a basic level of spanish, but they doubt that they can understand you. They have to use a dictionary when they write." I'll post this explanation at the reference desk. Thank you for directing me there.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 18:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Image deletion[edit]

Can you speedy this image, since it is in commons as a better version, or must I take it thru IFD?--The ikiroid (talk )(Help Me Improve) 02:36, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

There might be repurcussions if I delete it.(?)--Jondel 06:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
It was already deleted by FreakofNurture. Now it's just a mirror from Commons. I'm sorry, I should have crossed out my comment earlier.--The ikiroid (talk)(Help Me Improve) 11:36, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


Thank you for thanking me for giving you a barnstar. General Eisenhower 19:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for thanking me for thanking you for giving me a barnstar!
and again!
Thank you for thanking me for thanking you for giving me a barnstar! --Jondel 06:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Weird Talk Page[edit]

Hi Jondel, could you take a look at this: Talk:Ethnic_groups_in_the_Philippines?

The talk page is weird. I don't know how to put the discussion below the links to the archives. Everything is also center-justified. I don't know how to fix it. I thought of asking you before I just delete it...--Nino Gonzales 01:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Let me see what I can do to fix it before deleting.One week?--Jondel 00:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Votes[edit]

I will check out the vote count for you, however, AfD states that it is not a ballot count but really a flow of ideas. Yanksox 05:48, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Neither is Wikipedia:Notability a policy . I'm not sure about the anonymous who voted if it was included in the count.--Jondel 05:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


I had issues with the closing of the AfD, but not enough to initiate DRV. IF you wanna do it, fine. I may participate. But I won't initiate it. See ya. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 12:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


hi my username is hannahmontana, somtes contact me{Hannahmontana 19:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)}

u got BOPP'D![edit]


Henry the Black[edit]

I'm currently revamping the Category:Mysterious people page and tweaking the definition. Historically it's been a problematic category, and I admit there never will be complete agreement on who is and who is not "mysterious." However, the old definition (which I have not changed yet) specifically says that mere lack of documentation does not make a person mysterious, which was the main reason I dropped Henry the Black from the category.

If you feel that he belongs to the category, go ahead and revert my edit. He's one of the people I've dropped that I had trouble giving a definite "keep" or "drop" for. But I do think that pseudonymns, criminal nicknames (i.e., Atlas Vampire), nonexistent people, and people who were probably created through a work of fiction (Kyot and You're So Vain, for example) don't belong in the category. Henry at least has the advantage of having existed.--Cassmus 09:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


How did you learn Interlingua? Was it an online course like lernu, or what?Cameron Nedland 23:43, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Fantastic! Another interested person. Well at the Interlingua article there are a lot of introductory lessons. 'INTERLINGUA IS NOT A NEW LANGUAGE' . All the words can be found in Spanish, French ,italian,latin.I'll find good resource for your later.--Jondel 00:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I know some Spanish so some of it comes like 2nd nature. My high school only offers spanish but I plan on studying French (and others) in college.Cameron Nedland 19:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I was able to read at first sight using Spanish and some french. Vide si il vos place iste ligaminine:[1]. Le interlingua te adjuta studiar frances. Interlingua really is a useful language specially for learning other romance languages. I learned by talking to myself and making up imaginary conversations, dialogues. Amicalmente. --Jondel 10:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Here goes my translation of what you sent me:
The schools of Saudi Arabia teach hate
Second to Osama bin Laden, the societies of Western Europe and the United States are (word I don't know), and they will convert all the world to Islam and impose their total (phrase I don't know), the system of Islamic "justice." (Word I don't know) how could they attract more adherents to their barbaric system?
We should not (word I don't know) that bin Laden and many members of Al Qaeda are Saudi, (phrase I don't know) superstitious philosophy of active religious intolerance they teach to infants and children in Saudi Arabia.
Notes: insenia sounds like Sp enseña with a funny accent...If you care.Cameron Nedland 21:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I'll look more into it.Cameron Nedland 22:11, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Wait, you said that my level of IA was similar to yours, so does that mean I understand IA at level 3?Cameron Nedland 22:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC) 22:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Cameron, si il vos placet reguarda et tenta si vos pote leger le. Io studie Latin, et French etiam que Spaniiol et io pote regarde parolas de istes linguas in Interlingua et pote io leger totes. Igitur indica io in mi template 3. Potereo io suggere 2 per vos?Mais es depended ad vos pro decider per ipsum. Non es per mi . Mais habe vos provate per ipsum que pote leger quasi totes.--Jondel 06:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Lesson 1
1. Interlingua is an international language, i.e. for people of different nationalities.
2. The council of Europe consists of 25 countries.
3. The European Community (i.e. the Common Market) is a political, economic and commercial union.
4. In the case of the European Parliament, 60% of their administrative budget is for translation and interpretation.Cameron Nedland 21:03, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Jondel. I was wondering, since Interlingua is basically resurrected Latin, k and w are basically nonexistant in Interlingua, right?Cameron Nedland 20:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Cameron, sorry for taking such a long time to answer. The general rule is or should be encompassing common words in many languages. There are many common k and w words like taekwondo, karaoke , watt,(uh can't think of other w words). So, it should be retained. www.interlingua is down now so I it is hard for me to check.--Jondel 00:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

baguio typhoon[edit]

First, thank you for giving me a warm welcome last may 7. I need your help on the baguio entry. User:Haldamir deleted the article twice. Here's the discussion Talk:baguio. Jordz 11:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Pls give time to deal with this. I will see what I can do.I apologize for the delay.--Jondel 06:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

What about you?[edit]

Hey, I never asked.....what's your native language? Tagalog? You said earlier that a lot of filipinos including yourself learned English for writing, but what is/was the day-to-day language? Something in between Tagalog and English, like Taglish?-- The ikiroid  01:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually I spoke English at home, Ilonggo when I would vacation in Capizand some (bad)Spanish with some of my relatives . AAAnd Tagalog while in Manila. My Tagalog has a provincial (Illonggo)accent while when I speak in Illonggo, it has a Tagalog accent. As you've probably read, Filipinos would rather use English for learning calculus, medicine, biology, philosophy, law,etc. --Jondel 11:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)--Jondel 23:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh. I was confused...why not list Tagalog in your Babel box, and why not list yourself as a native english speaker? I'm sorry for being so nosy, it's just that I have never been outside of the United States, and the only languages I hear are English and some Spanish.-- The ikiroid  19:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Cause I'm lazy. I 'll work now. Uh, tommorrow. next week?next year? --Jondel 09:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. ;)-- The ikiroid  17:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I updated the babel box :)--Jondel 23:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I answered your question on my talk...It's sort of long, which is why I am hesitant on retyping it here :P.-- The ikiroid  02:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the invitation. I actually started keeping an eye on the Tambayan page a few days ago. I'll pop in there occassionally. --Polaron | Talk 03:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Pass by anytime you feel like. :) --Jondel 03:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Revert on Mental calculation[edit]

I noticed an edit by '' you reverted, where the contributor removed your reference. I have to say I disagree with that, I think the reference you added wasn't adequate (hence my intention to keep the 'citation request'). I appreciate all the effort you've put in, but I think the reference should be removed until (as I said) a decent source can be found. Cheers Biggoggs 08:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No explanation was made at the edit edit summary nor the discussion page, no consensus was reached and the remover was anonymous. There are many unexplained vandals made.--Jondel 08:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

About the Hangout[edit]

No thanks. I have a "life" offline. But thanks for the invitation. - 上村七美 | talk 08:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, Dewa ogenkide. (Nihonggo dekimas ne)--Jondel 09:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


Jondel... Since you're an admin, pwede mo bang ilipat ang Cebu Province article sa Cebu? I already moved the contents of Cebu to Cebu (disambiguation). The new Cebu article will have a heading which will say For other uses, see Cebu (disambiguation). Pwede mo 'kong tulungan? Thanks. --Chris S. 23:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Sure Chris. Congrats nga pala sa graduation mo.--Jondel 23:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Jondel. That had been really bugging me for a while - the capitalized Province. And thanks for the congrats! Now I can concentrate on Wikipedia for the next year or so. --Chris S. 00:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I mightbe going to the Philippines to work on translations and maybe study Oracle or study French or take up Masters in Spanish at UP. Maybe you could translate some of the Philippine related articles into other languages of wiki?--Jondel 00:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I'll put that on my long list of things to do. I want to finish the Philippine language articles first, though. And good luck at UP. --Chris S. 01:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks with UP. The translations are not a prority. --Jondel 01:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Here's another one. Could you move Pangasinan province back to Pangasinan, please? I think all these provinces should be standardized. I have already created Pangasinan (disambiguation). Salamat ed sika! --Chris S. 02:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok.--Jondel 02:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
ありがとう! :-) Well, I'm glad you're an admin. Ang bilis mo kasi, eh. hehe --Chris S. 03:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. You're doing a great job also and should be an sysop .--Jondel 03:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I have time now. Kung gusto mo 'kong inominate, eh sige. ;-) --Chris S. 03:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

A few more transfers[edit]

Sorry to bug you again, Jondel. Here are a few more. I did some investigating and found that these could use some moving too.

Thanks again. --Chris S. 03:49, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

phew! Done.--Jondel 04:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
w00t! You're awesome, thanks. --Chris S. 05:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Doo itashimashte.--Jondel 05:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi! About my name... well... It's not about the number "23". I chose to put 2 and 3 at the beginning of my user name to make it sound like "tutti fruitie" to show my interest in fruits but I think I made a mistake because mow it sounds like "tuttri fruitie". hehe. By the way, my birthday is in the 8th day of the month so I guess I should have put "8" in there... --23prootie 05:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

The digit root of my birth day is 8. No need to add 8. There is a whole article about the supposed magic number 23. Some kind of illuminati thing. Whatever.--Jondel 05:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Khomeini.jpg removed from your user page[edit]

An image or media file, Image:Khomeini.jpg, has been removed from your userpage or user talk page because it was licensed as fair use. Wikipedia's fair use policy states that fair use images should only be used in the article namespace. As a result, although users are often given a great amount of latitude in the type of content that is allowed on their user pages, it is requested that you abide by this policy. Feel free, however, to add images and media files licensed under other terms. For more information, see Wikipedia's fair use policy and an accompanying essay on the removal of fair use images. Thank you for your cooperation.

The image was removed from User:Jondel/Sadam. joturner 22:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

ok.--Jondel 23:14, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


Jondel - nag-accept ako. Pero wala bang tanong na dapat kong sagutin? The three questions tungkol sa adminstratorship? Bawat RfA ay meron. Siyanga pala, maraming salamat sa nomination mo.--Chris S. 04:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I was about to add them when an edit conflict occurred!--Jondel 04:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Here to help[edit]

I try to add as much info as i can for anyone participating in any RfA. Glad to help for your nom. Have a good day!--WillMak050389 05:05, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Jondel 05:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Filipino names[edit]

Can you help me? SInce I don't have admin powers, can you help in reverting Lagalag's moving of pages about Filipino people. He insists that all Filipino names should be at par with Spanish spelling. And although it may be true to people of the Philippines living at the Spanish era, it is not true for present-day Filipinos, except for the letter "ñ". --Howard the Duck 12:13, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I see that you already informed him.--Jondel 02:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you move Dale Abenójar back to Dale Abenojar? Thanks. --Howard the Duck 15:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Done.--Jondel 02:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Yay. --Howard the Duck 03:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Another one: Chávit Singson to Chavit Singson. --Howard the Duck 16:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Keep up the good work!--Jondel 00:08, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

My RfA - maraming salamat sa pagnonominate, pare.[edit]

1908 Ford Model T.jpg
Hi, I would like to express my gratitude for your participation at my recent RfA. The final vote was 68/21/3 and resulted in me becoming an admin!

For those of you who supported my RfA, I highly appreciate your kind words and your trust in me. For those who opposed - many of you expressed valid concerns regarding my activity here; I will make an effort in addressing them as time goes on while at the same time using my admin tools appropriately. So, salamat, gracias, merci, ありがとう, спасибо, धन्यवाद, 多謝, agyamanak unay, شكرًا, cảm ơn, 감사합니다, mahalo, ขอบคุณครับ, go raibh maith agat, dziękuję, ευχαριστώ, Danke, תודה, mulţumesc, გმადლობთ, etc.! If you need any help, feel free to contact me.

PS: I took the company car (pictured left) out for a spin, and well... it's not quite how I pictured it. --Chris S. 23:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Sobre su ofrecimiento de ayuda en traducción[edit]

Estimado Jondel. Uste me ha dejado este mensaje en la página de discusión sobre Atlantis:

Please try to assume good faith RobertMC, why not write it in Spanish and I'll help you translate it . I know enough Spanish. I am always interested in things about Atlantis.--Jondel 09:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[edit]

Agradezco sinceramente que me ayude en este asunto. Como puede ver en la página de Atlantis de Wikipedia en español, se reconocen los méritos del investigador Hispano-Cubano Georgeos Díaz-Montexano.

No comprendo porque en la versión inglesa de Wikipedia se intenta condenar al ostracismo y despreciar sus méritos, logros y reconocimientos; tan válidos o más, que el de los otros que sí se reconocen.

Le agradecería que tradujera el párrafo de abajo que está basado en el que aparece en Wikipedia en Español y también que usara la misma foto que ha sido liberada por el propio autor. Además es una foto bastante estética y atractiva para Wikipedia.

Este es el párrafo de Wikipedia en español que reconoce a Díaz-Montexano (al que he añadido algunas noticias nuevas):

File:Atlantida Descubierta Atlantis Ibero Mauretana.jpg
Map-reconstruction of the Iberian-Mauretanian Empire of Atlantis. Affirmed Plato in its writings, that the main city of the Atlantis, was just before of the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) and who the Atlantic peninsula/island (nêsos) had a called region Gadeira (Cadiz)
  • Según Georgeos Díaz-Montexano, investigador hispano-cubano, estaría junto al Estrecho de Gibraltar, siendo un imperio Ibero-Mauretano. En su teoría defiende las afirmaciones vertidas en el relato del Timeo y el Critias sobre la isla o península (en griego Nêsos) Atlántica o de la Atlántida, la cual se hallaba "ante la boca" (en griego pro tou stomatós) de las Columnas de Hércules (Gibraltar) y tenía una región denominada Gadeira (Gades, Cádiz). Unos terremotos de «gran intensidad» y una gran «inundación» —posiblemente un tsunami— hicieron que su ciudad principal o isla-acrópolis desapareciera bajo el mar, justo en la boca misma del estrecho de Gibraltar —entre Cabo Trafalgar y Cabo Spartel— donde se hallaba el delta y la capital del imperio atlante. Díaz-Montexano ha descubierto en Iberia miles de petroglifos [2] y cerámicas de la Edad del Bronce con símbolos representando a la acrópolis o ciudad concéntrica circular de Atlantis, con los mismos detalles de varios anillos concéntricos que rodean una isla central de la que parte hacia el exterior de los anillos una canal recto [3]. En fecha más reciente, Díaz-Montexano ha logrado identitificar en Jaén, Andalucía, cerca de las Columnas de Hércules, una ciudad antigua que remonta sus orígenes al Neolítico y que evolucionó y creció durante todo el Calcolítico y la Edad del Bronce hasta principios de la Edad del Bronce, como una posible ciudad del reino o imperio de Atlantis, pues hasta la fecha, es la única ciudad prehistórica hallada en todo el mundo que al igual que la acrópolis de Atlantis fue edificada mediante cinco anillos o fosos circulares alternados, algunos de tierra y otros de agua, que rodean a una isla central [4]. Al igual que la ciudad de Atlantis de Platón, esta ciudad prehistórica de Andalucía, construyó una enorme red de canales junto a la ciudad que servían para conducir las aguas desde las montañas cercanas hasta la ciudad. En la misma ciudad apareció una cerámica de principios de la Edad del Hierro con el símbolo de la ciudad de Atlantis [5], según ha reportado el mismo Georgeos Díaz-Montexano.

Le agradecería mucho que lo publicara usted mismo, ya que a mi me tienen bloqueado para que no publique nada al respecto.

Saludos, --RobertMc 19:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Gracias por tu mensaje. Como he dicho, mi espaniol no es perfecto. Va a traducirlo pero deje me tiempo por favor.Trato investigar le bloque y otras.--Jondel 00:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)


Felix Resurreccion Hidalgo[edit]

Jondel! :0 started Felix Resurreccion Hidalgo, but unsure bout the details. Sana ok sa 'yo dude. :) --Noypi380 07:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep up the good work!I'll try to work on it. Tambak ako sa trabaho both on and off wiki. Lipat bahay, trabaho etc.--Jondel 07:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Okay then, bahala na ko, good luck to you and all the stuff you're doin, yung lipat at ang trabaho. --Noypi380 03:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

A weirder userpage[edit]

Hi, I found some competition with your slightly bizarre userpage: [6]. I thought it was interesting..... The ikiroid (talk·desk·Advise me) 23:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Ikroid! I didn't know I was in competition! BTW , I'm learning latin. After you get over a certain hill of difficulty, it comes together and makes sense. Vulgate or Bible Latin is very easy compared to classical latin.--Jondel 09:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Por Favor[edit]

Puedes borrar los siguientes imagenes? Hice estos imagenes en un momento de blind wikipassion (y ignorancia).

Image:Lucytorres1.JPG Image:Nurmisuari1.jpg

Yo no se el tipo de licencia de estos imagenes. Muchas gracias--Nino Gonzales 03:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

iYa que coneces bien espanol! Muy bien senior Gonzales! Pues voy a borrar los imagenes. Estoy pensando tambien hacer los blogs o essays que has indicado antes.--Jondel 09:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Re: Tambayan pages[edit]

The discussions deleted from Tambayan were moved to In the press.

INC WikiProject[edit]

I'm sending this to you as you've edited the Iglesia ni Cristo article substantially. As coverage of INC at Wikipedia continues to grow, and the need to make sure related articles are held at a high standard of Wikipedia article quality, I've proposed a new WikiProject dedicated to INC. If you're interested, go to Wikipedia:WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects#WikiProject_Iglesia_ni_Cristo and sign your name. A temporary example of what the project page will look like is at my userspace. --LBMixPro <Speak|on|it!> 09:29, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


you deleted

02:36, 23 June 2006 Jondel (Talk | contribs) deleted "Pangasinan" (to get ready for move from provinceb content was: '#REDIRECT Pangasinan (disambiguation)' (and the only contributor was 'Christopher Sundita'))

on WP:RM page of 2006-06-20 [7] I cannot see any Pangasinan request.

By which policy did you delete? If there is no policy covering this, please stop abusing your admin rights and revert your deletion.

Also I think you should not have protected the page, since you are engaged into the conflict. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 15:19, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Did you abuse your admin rights in a dispute you were involved in? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 14:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Andres Bonifacio[edit]

Hi Jondel,
Thanks for keeping me informed re the above:

Why do you want diacritics on the name? We don't have diacritics on his name in the Philippines. This is not official. If you have a source or link using his name, at least place then in the links at the bottom of the page. We can put diacritics on the pronounciation guide but this is not part of the official name.--Jondel 13:22, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

It was my understanding at the time that his name did include an accent on the "e", but if this is not the case, I am happy to let the current name "Andres Bonifacio" stand. Best wishes, David Kernow 14:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Michael Kearney[edit]

Hi Jondel, I noticed your userpage on Michael Kearney and was wondering if you might be able to help me out with a dispute. I've been having a discussion with another editor about the possibility of a child being able to speak at the age of 6 months, the other editor doesn't think it is possible. I quoted the article on Michael Kearney, but now the edior thinks that it needs to have the comment removed about him being able to speak at a young age. [8]. The other editor wants a pediatrician to prove that it's possible. If you can help, I would appreciate it. And, if you are monitoring the Michael Kearney article, just be aware that an editor has indicated a desire to remove information from it. Thanks! Dreadlocke 22:30, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I have the book , Accidental Genius, page 24 where M. Kearney says to his pedatrician 'I have a left ear infection.'. I don't know what else I can do.--Jondel 07:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. Now they want a "peer reviewed" study to prove it. I'll hunt around when I get a chance, not sure what's out there on this subject. If you hear of anything, let me know. The sourcing you provide is sufficient for the Kearney article, so the comment should not be removed from there; but the Demkina article is a bit of a different story. Dreadlocke 14:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Jondel![edit]

Thanks for the warm welcome, pare. How did you know Señor Gómez? Are you also a member of the Círculo Hispano-filipino?

Actually, I'm not yet done with that article. There is so much to write about the grand old señor, El Hombre Renacentista. I admire him so much. As a matter of fact, he has saved my life quite a number of times.

I have so many articles to write and edit, mainly about the Philippines. Also, I'm a huge fan of professional wrestling (World Wrestling Entertainment).

¡Hasta pronto!

Pepe alas 02:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

¡Hola Pepe!Yo estaba miembro del foro (yahoo groups) pero ya no participando. Escribí el articulo Spanish in the Philippines , entoncess me encuentró articulos de Señor Gomez, Farolan y otros.¿ Porque te gusta castellano? Pues, un ortro Filipino que habla español es Chris . Quiza te gustaria Chabacano . Weekeejames es un habalnte chabacano. Me gustaria que tu investigara Interlingua, un lingua que es muchisimo facil apprender y le ayudarra apprender linguas romanicos. Tambien, hay muchos articulos que debe de traducir a español de Filipinas. Vivo en Tocio pero me gustaria participar en los Meetup de Manila y tambien me gustaria apprender mas español en el Instituto de Cervantes. i Hasta Pronto!--Jondel 05:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Lazykat.JPG listed for deletion[edit]

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School IP you blocked[edit]

I just traced an IP you just blocked for six months, User:, and it is a school IP. Is this block an anonymous only block, or is it a full block? Jesse Viviano 16:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Full block. I guess this should be changed to anonymous-only block?--Jondel 20:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
School IP blocks generally are anonymous only blocks because schools can have many legitimate editors and a few idiots using the same proxy server used to filter the Internet from porn and shock sites, as far as I know. Different admins have differing opinions about whether to deny account creation or not. Some say that students can create accounts at home, and that creating vandal-only accounts will get the school IP autoblocked. However, others say that account creation should be allowed because some may be too poor to afford Internet access at home and that vandals are easily blocked, and the collateral damage can be undone if someone posts an {{unblock}} notice on their talk page. Use your best judgement. Jesse Viviano 02:51, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I will switch the block to limit only anonymous ips(allow account creation) in two weeks. Please let it wait while the vandalizers are in the mood to vandalize. I would like very much to wait until an unblock request is made from those using the ip. I don't want to make it easy for vandalizers. Vandalizers may create an account just to vandalize(and be blocked again). Please let the concerned request an unblock with any admin. --Jondel 03:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

pinoy pinay whatever[edit]

hey there. are u staying in the Phils? im from manila. Epzy 03:47, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm in Tokyo now but I might be going back. --Jondel 03:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Cebuano vs. Tagalog[edit]

Hoy Jondel, I posted a documentary in my blog about the Cebuano vs. Tagalog rivalry. It's at --Chris S. 06:10, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

That should be interesting. --Jondel 14:17, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

About Nangnak[edit]

Hello Jondel, about Nangnak movie. I found 2 external links to one website. It don't make sense. One web use the content from other website and post its link here and there are many commercial link in that website. After review their websites, I decide to delete all links. I tell my reason, so please tell yours why you resume that commercial link Anotherkaz


I added an explanation for the origin of the name (which happens to be my name). Cheers. Franjesus 02:00, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Great!--Jondel 05:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wizard (fantasy)[edit]

Because you have made comments on the Wizard (fantasy) talk page, I thought you might be interested to know of a Request for Comments: Talk:Wizard (fantasy)#Request for comment Goldfritha 02:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.----14:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)~~

Requesting move[edit]

Philippine House elections, 2007 to Philippine House of Representatives elections, 2007. I screwed up the first time around... --Howard the Duck 13:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Howard, no problem. How have you been?14:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)14:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)~~

Thanks. As for me, I'm just floating around... --Howard the Duck 06:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

pete price (again)[edit]

You have locked the pete price page again. Unfortunately the 'fan site' hyperlinked at the bottom of the page links to a forum where people who have been excluded from Petes own website post. It is a minority of these people who are responsible for the frequent homophobic vandalism in this article.

Im going to unlock. I guess Ill just have to be vigilant.--Jondel 23:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to Japan...[edit]

...again. I assume your still in Japan, right? Maybe we could meet up sometime. =) --seav 16:36, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

No. In fact I enrolled in Instituto de Cervantes for my spanish. So, how does it feel to be a japayuki? Ingats.--Jondel 06:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Sandugo and Sandugo Festival[edit]

Please comment on whether there is a need to make a separate article for the Blood Compact/Sandugo and a separate one for the Sandugo Festival.--Pinay06 08:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

They are separate articles now, aren't they? They are fine now as separate articles. In time both will be trimmed down. e.g. the festival related info will probably be removed from the Sandugo pact article and info on th Sandugo pact itself may be removed from the festival.--Jondel 06:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Know where to get a Tagalog dictionary in Tokyo?[edit]

Sorry for this off-topic question, but do you know if there is anywhere in Tokyo that sells big (Leo English or Vito Santos) Tagalog-English dictionaries? I have until December 3 to find one. I could got outside of Tokyo if there's a particularly good place. I asked on tl.wikipedia. But got no answer. I've only found one Filipino so far in Tokyo, and she said there was no filipino store. I can't believe that. Thanks. Gronky 04:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I see Japanese-Tagalog dictionaries. I don't think there would any stores that sell those dictionaries. Try Kinokoniya near Tokyo -Hands at Shinjuku. There might be one but I'm not sure.--Jondel 08:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Will do, thanks. If I do find something, I'll add the information to the kapihan on tl.wikipedia. I'm mainly looking for Tagalog->English, but Japanese or almost any other language would also be good. Gronky 09:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Irish History[edit]

You seem like you have a lot a knowledge with respect Irish history so maybe you would like to comment on the historic basis of this term here Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-12-02 IRA 'Volunteer' usage

Welcoming Newbies[edit]

Hello Jondel. Could you teach me how to keep track of new Wikipedians? Like how do you know who are the new ones? Do you just check the recent changes? Or is there a special admin tool to do this easily? Tnx --Nino Gonzales 05:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Check this out:Special:Log/newusers. But, yes , I normally notice at the recent changes, new users at Philippine related pages and give them the welcome.--Jondel 12:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)


Ciao,Jondel! Grazie per visitare il mio Users' page. Si, conosco Latino pero non parlo ne scrivo in questa lingua. Infatti, l'ho usato molto nei miei lavori academechi. Io sono Filippino, sto studiando qui a Roma ma sto per tornare al nostro paese. I miei antenati furuno Spagnoli ma,purtroppo, non parlo Spagnolo. Capisco, si. Pero, spero di studiare la lingua quando tornero' a Filippine. Mi interesa studiare la lingua nel Instituto de Cervantes. Lo sai cosa devo fare?

Con saluto molto cordiale,

Johnbrillantes20:49, 13 Dec 2006 (UTC)

Salve! Nescio Italicem sed intelligo relictum tuam gratia Hispanicem. Eheu! Adesne in Roma studere? Velim esse sacerdote sed exui mentem.Latinem scribere durum est sed bonum studere. Nunc in Instituto de Cervante sum ut studere. Nonne studeas hic? Dum temporem habeas et si ille vos placeres faveas scribere latinice res Philippinarum. Pax tibi, et mox conloquemur.--Jondel 08:21, 25 December 2006 (UTC)


Si, capisco che e'facile comprendere altre lingue romaniche se uno sa una di queste. Sto per tornare a Filippine a 10 di Genaio. Ho avuto ottenuto l'imprimatur del Vicariato di Roma per la tesi dottorale che ho scritto per due anni con tanta pacienza e tanto sacrificio. E'sta pubblicato e in pochi giorni posso consegnare le 50 copie alla segretaria della mia universita'. Poi, vado via.

Sei molto bravo. Scrivi Latino come scrivi in Englise. Si, mi interesa scrivire qualcosa sulle Filippine in Latino quando avro'tempo. Ma prima devo andare al nuovo carico nella citta'di Baguio. Il mio vescovo mi vole essere capellano nella academia militare la. Spero di avere tempo. Un'altra problema sara'la disponebilita' di una bibliotecca che contiene libri buoni. Lo sai che e'una cosa trovare una bibliotecca e un'altra cosa avere una bibliotecca con libri pui utili per una ricerca seria. Forse mi servira'andare alla bibliotecca della Universita'di Santo Tommaso dei Padri Domenicani oppure qualla di Ateneo di Manila.

Allora, Un Felice anno nuovo!

Johnbrillantes17:20, 29 Dec 2006 (UTC)

Pinoy botanists[edit]

You’re right. I refiled them under Category:Filipino botanists, created in line with Category:American botanists and others. —Lagalag 10:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


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Bok Man[edit]

  • Jondel. I am not pushing for the deletion of the Bok Man article. I am merely stating that none of the current citations included for his article are on par with WP:BIO standards. As stated before, if someone can provide 3rd party, verifiable (see WP:V) citations on his notability, I will happily withdraw my deletion request. Though I am sure you are well-respected in the Taekwando community, WP:NOR forbids us to use personal testimony to vouch for articles. Best regards, and Happy New Year. Djma12 16:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • As a side note, if Bok Man really is very notable in the TKD community, I'm sure you guys won't have trouble digging up newspaper or magazine articles about him. It might take a little elbow grease, but it sounds likes he's done a lot. Good luck! Djma12 16:27, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Newspapers in the 70s?!! Very old newspapers.--Jondel 09:49, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Vicarius Filii Dei[edit]

Hey dude, why did you remove my referenced edit in INC article? Don't bully here ok!!! Booooohhhaaya 14:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

bully?!! me? You don't have a reference of INC referring the Catholic Church as the beast, the reference to 'Vicarius Filii Dei' was by Seventh Day Adventists not by INCs. Your making it appear like INC made the accusation.--Jondel 14:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I did add an reference to INCs debate with a catholic apologist regarding VFD.

Are you talking about this (uh 'reference'): I don't find any mention of INCs --Jondel 14:58, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I saw the other reference. It wasn't there when I deleted it. The INC is frequently vandalized, so someonelse would have rolled back.--Jondel 15:04, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Premio Zobel and Mexicans in the Philippines[edit]

Sorry for the late reply. I don’t know anything about those topics, haha, at least not enough to be able to contribute significantly. Perhaps for the second article we could include bits referring to how Mexican Spanish influenced Insular Spanish (which basically is no longer spoken, as I see it, replaced by various Spanish variants, the foremost being the Castilian variety taught in the Instituto Cervantes and used in Televisión Española), how, at least I heard, Nahuatl speakers were sent to the Philippines as soldiers and civil servants, etc. Wait, I don’t think there’s ever been a Mexico before the 1820s, so I guess we should be referring to New Spain, unless after Mexican independence Mexicans still kept on pouring into the Philippines. —Lagalag 00:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

And also, I guess we should also note migrations from the Philippines to Mexico. I’ve been reading a lot about this topic since…forever, but I’ve really only taken in bits and pieces. —Lagalag 00:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll try to research this and then work on it., Mexico was New Spain(Nueva Espanya at that time.) Through the Galleon trade there was a lot of migration to and from the Philippines, New Mexico and I believe China.--Jondel 00:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi Jondel. Would you know whether or not western visayans call their languages Binisaya? Thanks. --Nino Gonzales 05:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Nino, sorry for this late reply. I was born in Capiz but grew up in Manila. Capiznons refer to their own language as Illonggo or Hiligaynon. People who refer to Bisaya language are ussually from Mindanao and actually mean Cebuano(not Illonggo , Waray etc.). Probably you know this already. I don't know exactly what Binisaya refers to.--Jondel 05:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Toledo translation school[edit]


I noticed that you started, and have subsequently contributed to, the article on the so-called Toledo translation school. When I came across the article I was surprised because recent research has raised questions about the importance of Archbishop Raymond's sponsorship, to say nothing of the existence of a formal "school." If you're interested, could you comment at Talk:Toledo translation school. --SteveMcCluskey 12:54, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Juan dela Cruz (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) requests to be unblocked[edit]


User:Juan dela Cruz emailed me about his indef. block. I searched and searched but I wasn't able to find any reason for it. Block summary says "apparent sock-puppet" but does not mention sockpuppet of whom. As far as I know one should be a confirmed sockpuppet of another indef. blocked user to deserve an indef. block for trying to evade it. The user's record is clean, no edit warring history, no previous blocks. It seems to be a mistake. User's IP was also blocked. Would you kindly look into this? Thanks. - Sentinel 10:54, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I will see what I can do. I 'm up to my ears though i my real job work. --Jondel 15:09, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. Please do. - Sentinel 17:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)


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From Rodsan18[edit]

Hi, Jondel. On languages and formal training on interpretation and translation (two separate fields yet related), you can check on an Institute in Makati or Manila that was founded in honor of Carlos P. Romulo. In the U.S., check the website of Monterey Institute of Interpretation and Translation. However, one potential student interpreter should already have studied or learned the languages (or he or she has it as mother tongues) first prior to attending formal interpreting classes. I ask you to encourage our fellow Filipinos to become one through formal schooling, especially Spanish, Chinese and French apart from our other official language, English. Mandarin Chinese would probably be easy for you because you already learned characters through Nippongo. I will soon check interlingua. Sorry for the too delayed reply... Best regards, Dragonbite 16:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I'm interested in languages. How did you know? Where is that C.P. Romulo institute?Best regards,--Jondel 10:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Kiwi Camara re-nominated for deletion[edit]

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Spam in Nucleus RTOS[edit]

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Gregory R. Smith[edit]

I have put a proposed deletion template on an article you created, Gregory R. Smith. As I said in the nomination, if he wants privacy then Wikipedia shouldn't have an article on him. I was going to clean it up but I decided to leave it in the state it's currently in to give more weight to the deletion nomination. Graham87 15:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I may replace with an AFD. However I would vode deletion, to respect Smith's need for privacy.---Jondel 06:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


Hello? Are you Filipino? Nice to meet you. I'm Son hwan dong, and live in Jeju. Can you speak to Spanish? I'm studying Japanese, Spanish, Chinese, and Russian. -- (talk) 04:33, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Son hwan dong. An yong hase yo. Yes Im Filipino and speak Filipino, English, Spanish, some French and some Latin. How are you? I will be living in Tokyo by April. I wrote an article about Taekwondo in the Philippines. Best regards,--Jondel (talk) 03:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Philippine priests[edit]

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Suwanotaira Station, ja:諏訪ノ平駅 and ja:画像:Mabechi-river Suwanotaira.jpg[edit]

Hello, Jondel. I'm working on Suwanotaira Station, and need some help. Could you translate the two above articles from the Japanese Wikipedia for me? I have no experience in languages other than English. If need be, you could just type a translation on my talk page. Thanks, Mouse is back 23:23, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Jews in the Philippines subpage[edit]

I removed what appeared to be two articles copied and pasted from news sites from your Jews in the Philippines user subpage. Remember that Wikipedia's copyright policy applies to all namespaces, not just the article namespace. Reprinting copyrighted material in its entirety is a copyright violation, unless the copyright holder has explicitly released the material under the GFDL or compatible license. — Gwalla | Talk 23:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Please participate on Wikimedia Philippines discussions[edit]

-Jojit (talk) 03:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Images of Muhammad[edit]

According to Hanafi Sunni jurisprudence displaying images of the Prophet is forbidden. In accordance with Usuli Shia jurisprudence it is acceptable if done so with reverence and respect. So, in other words, it depends. As far as the article is concerned, while I am personally of the opinion that such depictions give a false and unencyclopedic impression of being based on Muhammad's actual appearance, Wikipedia has a policy of no censorship in articles, and thus images have been included largely in an effort to uphold that particular principle, which has come under fire by persons desiring to censor it for religious reasons. Peter Deer (talk) 23:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a million. There is an image displayed at the Latin wiki. I'm anticipating some kind of misunderstanding. regards,--Jondel (talk) 00:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


Hello? Can you speak to Spanish? Nice to meet you. I'm live in Korea and studying Japanise. But I'n know little bit Chinese, Spanish and Russian. Yo soy Son hwan dong. Mucho gusto.

I'm have a question. Most Filipino spoken Spanish? -- (talk) 07:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Claro, si. Me encanto de espanyol. Encantado a conocerle, Senior/Snra Son Hwan. Hablo tambien Japones. iPorque no haces un cuenta (why not create an account?)?.--Jondel (talk) 07:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

>>I'm have a question. Most Filipino spoken Spanish?

Es muy raro encontrar otros Filipinos que hablen espanyol. Vease por favor Spanish language in the Philippines. Los Filipinos no lo hablan.--Jondel (talk) 08:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Gracias. You good at Spanish! Muchas gracias. -- (talk) 08:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
De nada. Te animo en tus estudios. iHasta la proxima! --Jondel (talk) 08:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


We got permission from the author to post his work here in wikipedia, this is an DWCSJOM alumni project, we ran the same Google pages where the work is derive on. Thanks for wikipeding part of the Calintaan page but you remove some materials from the project that still needed for faster development of the project, like removing the number in citations & the footnotes, can you please restore that?----ken8dp

No. I removed empty tags and exact copies. If I dont remove this another editor is most likely to remove the whole page being a copyright violation. Believe me. Pls also that any material submitted is subject to merciless editing violation. In short, nobody owns anything here. Believe me what I've done will help your project. Best regards,--Jondel (talk) 05:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

No I didn't get offended, but I'm done here, I can't go on a protracted editing war against people with higher access rights...too busy for that, BTW we got permission from the local historian, Rudy Candelario (who happens to be a fellow alumni) to post his work this is not a case of copyright infringement, believe or not, if his remaining work will also be cannibalize like that, prudence dictates that it's better not to post his remaining works of Occidental Mindoro towns, he'd got 10 left, but it is not really my call since this a group project ...I'll just let my friend sikatuna sunset take care of this. Yes I know that works here got mercilessly edited but I didn't consider the fact that people would do that for the same reasons that politicians abused their power--BECAUSE THEY CAN. Adios.----ken8dp

Gabriel mark[edit]

I have reversed your recent block of Gabriel mark (talk · contribs) because:

  1. The user was blocked on July 4 for bad edit warring that ended on June 29. The behavior was stale.
  2. As the user's first block ever, with a reason stated as 3RR, three months was out of proportion. Such a long block was punitive, not preventative.
  3. Users are allowed to blank their talk pages. This even serves to confirm that they have seen their warning messages, which is a good thing.
  4. Email was blocked, even though there was no evidence presented that the user had actually abused email.

Feel free to discuss this with me. Jehochman Talk 13:47, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (Image:Mobilinux.jpg)[edit]

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Err, now how do I respon to a bot? I see it being used on the mobilinux page.--Jondel (talk) 05:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Just hi[edit]

Just had my darkest night[9], in 25 years. Cuil [10]

--Florentino floro (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I will try to, but this is not my line, and the creatures are so controversial amid links that are tabloid. Thanks.[11]--Florentino floro (talk) 12:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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It is interesting. But I find the article's introduction too dense. Especially if compared with one of the earliest versions, such as [[12]]. Gubernatoria (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Ok. Sed Interlingua es multe simple e se potest legere prompte! Tracta tu. Can you read that? I edit at the latin and spanish pages. There are so few Fellow pinoys studying latin. Anyway , it is great to make your acquaintance. Regards,--Jondel (talk) 21:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of SSS-PC[edit]

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Filipino women categories[edit]

Hi there -- I recently added a couple of sub-cats -- Category:Filipino beauty pageant contestants and Category:Filipina ballerinas, which you created -- to Category:Filipino women by occupation. All of the other sub-cats use the term "Filipino women", except for the "Filipino nuns" sub-cats. "Filipina ballerinas" seems correct to me, and I think "Filipino beauty pageant contestants" should be renamed to "Filipina..." as well. What do you think? (please reply to my talk page) Cgingold (talk) 12:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right, Filipina is more appropriate. I hope the other editors agree too. Please go ahead and recategorize to Filipina.--Jondel (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll let you know when I set up the CFD. Cgingold (talk) 21:37, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok.--Jondel (talk) 21:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Allright, I've got the CFD opened; please share your thoughts. Cgingold (talk) 12:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Alejandro Ramírez[edit]

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Hello, I noticed you've made edits to University of the Philippines (UP) and UP–related articles and thought you might want to support our recent proposal to create the WikiProject University of the Philippines. We've recently revamped the proposal and started a drive to push the approval of this project. We have a lot of articles that may be under this project and we would like assistance and support for its approval. Hope we'll have a very positive response. Go Fighting Maroons!

P.S. You can look at the preliminary drafts of the project in here. Thanks! --The Wandering TravelerWIKIPROJECT UNIVERSITY OF THE PHILIPPINES NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT! 06:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I will support this project as best as I can. (But I'm really from La Salle.)--Jondel (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject TRANSWIKI[edit]

You are invited to join WikiProject TRANSWIKI and join the sub language project of your choice. The aim is to draw up a full directory of missing articles from other wikipedias by language and build a team of translators to work at bridging the gaps in knowledge between other wikipedias. Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion in Taekwondo in the Philippines[edit]

Hello Jondel. I'm sorry for not telling you earlier but I'm not removing Elmer Pato's name without reason. Elmer Pato is already listed below Donald David Geisler III as the Sec. General of the PTA so there is a redundancy in the article. Also, what's more important is what's written in the parenthesis as a description of the 'Elmer Pato' I'm removing, specifically "(father of "name")". That name as I know has no relation to the main article of Taekwondo in the Philippines. I hope you would take this into consideration. Thanks.

P.S. I'm sorry if I am using your wikipedia talk page in a wrong way. I don't really know the rules here since it's my first time trying this.

--anon (talk) 20:51, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. ok. Elmer's name was moved up along with Jaime M's. Wiki is vulnerable to and frequently gets attacked by vandalizers. Please feel free to continue editing the article.--Jondel (talk) 11:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hola, Hello, Ut Vale, Kumusta[edit]

I just wanted to say Hello, and BELATED HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! I am a fellow Filipino. I speak Spanish like my aunt in Bacolod and Ilonggo as well (I'm from Capiz). I've been there many times. From the previous section, apparantly I'm not the only one who is enthusiastic about Spanish. I am also interested in Latin and notice the sign on your user page, Ecce Lux Behold, the Light! Are you in to Latin? (my user page is messy btw)--Jondel (talk) 04:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello Jondel, yes, I'm acquainted with your contributions here in Wikipedia. The Ecce Lux you are referring to is a self-given service award for at least 2 years of Wikipedia service and 8000 contributions, see this. You may award yourself a similar badge or ribbon. I am occasionally interested in Latin, as my employers like to throw Latin phrases around. =] Cheers! — KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ Speak! 05:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Wow. Ubi laboras? Cur latine sciunt? Where do you work? How come they know latin?--Jondel (talk) 05:15, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm a college teacher at Colegio San Agustin - Bacolod ( see my user page) and my employers are Catholic priests of the Order of St. Augustine, so you can imagine that Latin rains down during speeches. =] — KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ Speak! 05:38, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
Yes I went back to look at your user page and saw where you work. I work with computers and worked as a programmer for more than a decade. Now I do help desk but in Spanish and Japanese (I can do it in Latin too ). I think I should get some units in Education. I want to teach languages. My parents were teachers in De La Salle University.Carpe diem. Salve.--Jondel (talk) 05:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I worked as a free-lance programmer right after I graduated from college in 1992, did it for a few years and then settled down as a teacher. I got tired of dreaming about algorithms and nightmares about bugs not found. Yes, take 18 units of supplemental education, then take the teachers' board exams (which is scheduled today incidentally, I wonder if it pushed through coz of Ondoy...?), when you pass, you'll be a licensed teacher. Take Secondary education with Business technology as your major, that's the path for us CS or IT undergrads. If your parents were teachers, maybe its in your genes too. Gratias. =] — KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ Speak! 07:08, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I took up ECE, Now I do in vulcanizing :) . I will look into Ed. Perhaps it in my genes.hmm--Jondel (talk) 07:32, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Pigafetta's Dictionary[edit]

I remember you looking for this a couple of years ago...;cc=philamer;q1=Abba;rgn=full%20text;idno=afk2830.0001.033;didno=afk2830.0001.033;view=image;seq=00000201 Nino Gonzales (talk) 06:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I was. Thanks!! :D 'years ago' ? OMG it seems only like yesterday. I'm working on the Latin wiki now. --Jondel (talk) 01:18, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs[edit]

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Eli Soriano and Daniel Razon articles[edit]

Hi, I have recently nominated the article dedicated to the unnotable Daniel Razon on an AfD but as no knowledgeable person participated, and because a trick was pulled (i.e. a faux RS was dropped and then the pro-keep editor went straight to ANI and reqested a speedy closure during the times that I am usually absent due to time zone differences) the decision of the speedy closure ended up as "keep".

Now, as a result of this tragic event, the same pro-keep editor experienced a high morale boost and, as expected, as soon as he started editing in favor of the subject a Soriano droid came crawling up from the sewers and started making complementary edits specifically adding local award nominations, unnotable awards, blogs and ADD-owned websites as references, and cajoling the said pro-keep editor to obliterate well-sourced information regarding Soriano's rape case etc. Here is a sample edit.

Consider this conversation. Those who have enough experience in dealing with all ADD related articles and familiar with the results of all checkusers that I've requested are fully-aware that this anon, just like all others, cannot be an impartial editor but another follower of the cult with probably dozens of socks. I would just like to give you a heads up on both articles, especially their respective talk pages. Thank you! – Shannon Rose Talk 19:15, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I apologize for taking so long to respond. I am reluctant to engage in edit wars. My main concern is neutrality especially in the INC and its rival orgainization. I will see what I can do.--Jondel (talk) 01:04, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I do believe that ending this articles COI is impossible. After reading a "help e-mail" sent by permablocked Petersantos, I saw the edit wars that happened to that article. It also lead to the blocking of Petersantos, Journeyist and Dar book (that is what I saw on the talk page). For me, some sort of tag-o-war is happening. Shannon Rose and my fellow INC editor, Conrad940 is on the left side (adding and defending the rape case section and others) while "unknown IPs", sockpuppets of Petersantos and sockpuppets of Dar book are on the right side (trying to defend the article and removing the so called "international fugitive" part). Unfortunately for those on the right side, they are violating the rules for sockpuppetry. Shannon Rose, however, keeps putting the leader (Soriano) and its user-members (Petersantos, Dar book) in a bad light by malicious accusation and constant vandalism warning without trying to reach a consensus (see User talk:Petersantos and here and here). Shannon Rose, has a point for sternly following the rules, but she tries to deter these pro-Soriano editors by her "aggressive response to complains". I will not try to have myself involved because I am trying to clean the Iglesia ni Cristo article (removing weasel words, among others). I only saw these because of that e-mail sent by Petersantos. IronBreww (talk) 02:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Members Church of God International[edit]

Hi there. Do you really think that full protection is the best option here? Really, what I see is an article being disrupted by one single purpose account. If you feel you yourself are too involved to take administrative action against the account in question, then I would suggest requesting assistance from another administrator at WP:AN. But, I feel that locking a highly read article from everyone because of a single users stupidity is a bit over the top. Tiptoety talk 06:58, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Ok. The truth is I idealy would very much appreciate a non-Filipino non-religious person to take admin action based on neutrality. --Jondel (talk) 00:26, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
I will unblock at the end of the month, fair enough? I made a post at the WP:AN btw.--Jondel (talk) 01:02, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
What does being Filipino have to do with anything? Maybe I am just being ignorant, but that comment seems a bit out of place. Tiptoety talk 00:14, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
The issues are controversial in Philippine society. I was responding to " If you feel you yourself are too involved.... ". A metaphor which might apply here to explain my responce is like, a doctor might not be the best person to operate on his own wife because he might be too emotionaly involved. Hence a third party doctor would be the best to operate. I've set the expiry to a few weeks btw and blocking out only unregistered and totally new users.--Jondel (talk) 00:27, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment: I would like to thank you for locking this article! This article has been a "victim" of many revert and COI edit wars for the last 3 years. The user who commented above, Shannon Rose, who commented above is the one who keeps rejecting good references for the "positive facts (such as awards)" of the said article and its related articles. She is obviously an editor influenced by enemies of this organization since she calls the org a "cult" and calls followers as "Soriano droids". Dar book (Complains?) 09:32, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I unlocked it again due to complaints! Gotta lock it again!--Jondel (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I recommend that you lock the Eliseo Soriano article so that only admins could edit it. COI editors Shannon Rose and "anonymous IPs, Dar book, Journeyist" are struggling to prove whose edits are right. I believe that the term "International Fugitive" should be removed since the official (not an archive that was only added by Shannon Rose) INTERPOL website does not include Soriano in the fugitive list. (talk) 04:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi! I am inviting you to join the discussions here. Here is the link. I am trying to prove to the #1 Soriano critic that the lead section of the Eliseo Soriano article is POV and more importantly, libelous. Trust me, it's notable (talk) 07:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Gil Pérez[edit]

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Harry Potter[edit]

When editing Harry Potter-related articles, please use British English variants of spelling. Blatant changes like this is very unacceptable. BOVINEBOY2008 14:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Kindly indicate Why?Thanks.--Jondel (talk) 14:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Harry Potter is a British topic, having originated in the United Kingdom, taking place in the United Kingdom, created by a British-individual, etc... and thus the consensus is to use British English. There is an edit notice on the top of every one of the articles indicating this as well. BOVINEBOY2008 14:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Look, I won't be reverting it but I don't feel it is 'unacceptable' and my changes are not 'blatant'. There is no malicious intent and the notice includes 'If you do not want your writing to be edited, used, and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.' How far does this consensus extend? I will have a look at this consensus. --Jondel (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I may have chosen the wrong words. I'm not upset or anything, but the only thing you did in your edit was to change British spellings to American spellings. And that is particularly frustrating when there is a clear page notice on the top of the edit page saying to use British English (look here). If you want to attempt to change the consensus, first, use the talk page, and second, good luck. BOVINEBOY2008 14:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I don't want to change anything. Thanks for taking the time discuss with me. --Jondel (talk) 14:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
No problem. It is always a relief to have a civil discussion with other editors. :) BOVINEBOY2008 15:05, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 :)--Jondel (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Jon Ramon Aboitiz[edit]

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I appreciate your notifying me. I have found better and more recent sources.--Jondel (talk) 01:54, 13 February 2011 (UTC)


I have placed a talkpage notification on an article started by someone I believe you are saying killed himself on his talkpage (a while ago). Just to inform.Julzes (talk) 11:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
Great!! :) I believe that was Taylor Caldwell, an amazing author who wrote bestsellers in her teens.--Jondel (talk) 03:04, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Well, if you want to know, no. Dawud's talkpage refers to a male who read the same books as you. I'll look into the confusion when I have power back at home (2 trees down in our yard), if you wish.Julzes (talk) 19:21, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Err.. Who is Dawud? Yes I think I would like to know Dawud.Thanks. Jondel (talk)

I was able to find out now who Dawud is . Thanks. I read 'My journey to forgiveness". I liked the book very much and wish Daja (the author and Amaerican Buddhist Monk) stuck around.--Jondel (talk) 11:11, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. Obviously, I will to look into this myself (The Book).Julzes (talk) 13:27, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

St. La Salle Hall[edit]

Do you have any photos of its facade that you may release in a free license? Current photos are not really that descriptive. Moray An Par (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

No. Maybe I should visit and take photos. I haven't been to La Salle in quite a while.--Jondel (talk) 08:31, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The article is currently open for reassessment at Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/St. La Salle Hall/1. Your input will be helpful given your familiarity with the matter. Moray An Par (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Another question: which one is Velasco Hall? Left or right? File:DLSU Football Field.jpg Moray An Par (talk) 09:59, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Right. My father taught there, I studied there as well as other engineering students.(Many of us Engineering students believe it is the most important college building, ahem..) --Jondel (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Translation request of interview of Yuji Horii[edit]

Hello, I saw your name on the list of Japanese-to-English translators.

If/when possible, could you translateInterview by Japan's Media Arts Festival. Unfortunatly, their English page does not contain a translation. :( This appears to be one of the better resources out their too. I had already asked Nihonjoe several weeks ago, but he's been unable to get to it.

I got the jist of the first 2 sections being background info on Horii, but the kanji is beyond me for most of that article. I'd like to use this to improve his article, and bring Dragon Warrior and Dragon Quest to FA level. If it's too much for to translate the whole article, concentrate on the stuff about Dragon Quest. Thanks.Jinnai 01:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

I work as a Japanese translator even in real life. Unfortunately, the pc Im using in this cafe doesn't have Japanese. I will try to change PCs and go back to this from time to time.--Jondel (talk) 05:43, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
If I took some screenshots and posted a link would that suffice?Jinnai 20:38, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I guess that would help. I tried another internet cafe, but the pc requires some service pack and cd to view Japanese. I will try to work on it this weekend.--Jondel (talk) 10:55, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Please clip on the English at the upper right and see if you can find what you want there.Will this help?--Jondel (talk) 10:16, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
/This is from a software translation. Please check what the parts that you want and I will check its veracity with the original Japanese.--Jondel (talk) 10:23, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Japanese translation help[edit]

Hi there! I saw that you can do Japanese to English translations. Another user and I are currently editing List of accolades received by The Lord of the Rings film trilogy in pursuit of FLC status. Would it be possible for you to explore the official website for the Japan Academy Prize and find citable links for the 2002-2004 ceremonies? (Japanese is fine, but if the website offers an English version, that would be cool too). All three films (Fellowship of the Ring, Two Towers, and Return of the King) were nominated for the Japan Academy Prize for Outstanding Foreign Language Film. Please let me know if you have any questions. Much appreciated! Warm regards, Ruby 2010/2013 03:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply. I will try.--Jondel (talk) 11:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
No worries! And thank you! If/when you find something, you can post it at the LOTR list talkpage, or simply add it directly to the article. Thanks again, Ruby 2010/2013 13:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

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Would you help to review a Japanese translation made by Wikipedians?[edit]

There's been a recent discussion at the talk page of the article for the Internet meme All your base are belong to us. The topic was made famous for the gruesome Engrish translations in the original video game, and the article provided a somewhat more accurate translation along the original text.

The discussion could benefit from a review of the accuracy of these translations as it appeared in this recent version, by someone with fluency in Japanese and experience dealing with editor-made translations at Wikipedia. Thanks for your time. Diego (talk) 11:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Is it too late to do this? I am soooo busy. I will try. Jondel (talk) 23:25, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Philippine WikiCon[edit]

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Proposed blackout in protest of RA 10175[edit]

Dear Jondel,


As a Filipino Wikipedian, I hope you are aware of the passage of Republic Act No. 10175, also known as the Cybercrime Prevention Act of 2012, which was signed into law by President Benigno Aquino III on September 12, 2012. Currently, there is a discussion on the Tambayan, the noticeboard for Philippines-related topics, about a proposed blackout of the English Wikipedia in the Philippines in order to protest the passage of RA 10175, similar to the blackout against SOPA and PIPA held earlier this year. I feel that your input on the subject will definitely help in the discussion.

Please feel free to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines#The Cybercrime Prevention Act, and I hope your input will help the Filipino Wikipedia community determine which is the best course of action against this law. Similarly, we hope to get as much input from as many Wikipedians as possible.

Thank you and maraming salamat po!

Kind regards,

Sky Harbor (talk) 15:36, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow! I'm very inactive nowadays. --Jondel (talk) 05:54, 18 September 2014 (UTC)


Could I ask for help? I'm trying to get Juan Luna's Spolarium on the Latin wiki but there are copyright issues. Please help. Also, let me know if you think there are articles that should be on the latin wikipedia.--Jondel (talk) 11:35, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorting order[edit]

Hi! I saw this edit of yours. The sorting order is this, and you didn't have to change the order of the ja link. I corrected it. Please remember the sorting order, when you edit the interlanguage link. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 07:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Sorry.--Jondel (talk) 08:34, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Protection of Brahman[edit]

Hi. Why was Brahman protected? There's no reason given in the protection log and I didn't see anything relevant on the talk page. --MZMcBride (talk) 01:46, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of downgrading it to a semiprotection, I doubt that Jondel meant it as a full protection. Snowolf How can I help? 04:31, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
I noticed vandalisms on Nov. 20 that made me feel it would occur again.--Jondel (talk) 15:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Those were all by IPs and an isolated incident.. not really a good idea to fully protect it for several months. Snowolf How can I help? 20:41, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok. sorry.--Jondel (talk) 17:19, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

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Christian Terrorism[edit]

You blocked the IP, reverted him and didnt sanction the other editor, why? Murry1975 (talk) 14:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I put his unblock request on hold, because I believe he has a point about being blocked for 60 hours without a reason or any previous block. He was contentious but did not violate 3RR. Is there something not immediately evident? Feel free to email me if it's confidential. Daniel Case (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

First of all I apologize for blocking without giving the warning. It was leading up anyway to the 3Rs. I feel the section in questions is Christian Terrorism. ( and murder. ). This too obvious. Probably if you could interview Osama BL, he was n't of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes, he was just doing God's will. Anyway, the anonymous guy got what he wanted, the section is deleted.--Jondel (talk) 14:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Request for translation: List of sources for an article[edit]

Dear Jondel,

On the Reference desk someone recommended using the list of translators in response to a request. Are you willing to translate portions of or all of the list of references on this page? es:Wikipedia discusión:Consultas de borrado/Liceo Mexicano Japonés? It is for an AFD on the Spanish Wikipedia. This is so Spanish-speaking editors can understand what Japanese references exist about the subject. You are welcome to translate the references into English.

Thank you WhisperToMe (talk) 16:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I will see what I can do. I'm more active now at the Latin lang wiki.--Jondel (talk) 04:26, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much in advance! WhisperToMe (talk) 08:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I went to the link and can't seem to make headway. I'm applying for a job now in real life and am a bit busy.--Jondel (talk) 13:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks anyway for making an attempt! I'll look around and see who else is available WhisperToMe (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Translation Help[edit]

Greetings Jondel! I'm searching for multilingual editors who have the time and the interest to collaborate on the AIG business page? The Japanese version looks like it could use some help on content and formatting. Would you be interested? MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 19:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Sheesh! Yes. I was supposed to work with AIG here in the Philippines, but my Japanese N2 certificate was in a box of things from a fire we had. Now, the company I work (AWS)for is a client for AIG. --Jondel (talk) 00:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

How are the Philippines treating you Jondel? Might you be able to translate a message requesting additional translation help for me? It seems a bit counterproductive to have to ask for help in Japanese when I don't speak Japanese. Unfortunately this seems to be the only option. Cheers! --MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 02:25, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Great but I got transferred to a different project. Yes to the message translation, what message would that be?--Jondel (talk) 02:56, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Is that good or bad? The message should say "Greetings, are you interested and available to assist me in the process of translating the AIG english page into Japanese?" On that note, do you still have time to help too? MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. But I'm translating in the same company. Could you try this out?:こんにちは NAME様、よろしければ、日本語にAIGの英語ページを翻訳し、支援してくださいませんか? (Good day Mr/Ms, if it is ok with you, wouldn't you translate into Japanese , the English page of AIG?). I think I(anybody) can translate 2 sentences a day.--Jondel (talk) 02:24, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks so much Jondel, I really appreciate your help! MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Your welcome! Please do send 2 to 3 sentences a day to translate.--Jondel (talk) 07:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC

Shall we take it line-by-line? The problem is, I can see there is a large discrepancy because of the length but I can't tell what's missing since I don't speak the language. Would you mind taking a look at the first two sentences in the opening paragraph? MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 17:34, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

It seems like the arrangement is different, like the 'operates through 3 core groups' is down at the history(rekishi). Also employs 80 million is employs around 100 million. Please check out if it can help. But let assist where needed.--Jondel (talk) 00:23, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

That seems strange. I will post on the American Talk page to see if there is a consensus on which information seems to be more accurate. MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 15:48, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, I posted on the talk page for a consensus request and didn't get any pushback about the english version being the most up-to-date. There seems to be a lot of editing to that page so I think it's safe to say we can pull from there directly. Thanks! MsGingerHoneycutt (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Ms Ginger, sorry I can hardly help out these days.--Jondel (talk) 13:33, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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Ok David.--Jondel (talk) 00:49, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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Waaa how, this is a great honor! Thank you! Signing up!--Jondel (talk) 10:50, 29 February 2016 (UTC)


Hello Jondel, what is your idea with this new lemma? I know something about endoscope via the collection by Alex Kempkens. I wrote his article and also Architectural endoscopy. Can you read German? I working on an biography about Karl Storz. Best regards.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

I started with German and have a lot of books but stopped. It would be good to have the endoscope(device to look into organs) article separate from endoscopy article like boxing is different from boxing gloves.(bad analogy?) I remember initiating the capsule endoscope article as well. I studied Electronics and Communications Engineering which includes a lot of instruments. I guess I will be reading a bit more German then. Cheers.--Jondel (talk) 21:08, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello Jondel, your analog to boxing is OK for me. But it looks for me more that we have to explain all the gloves for material arts – if I compare this to endoscopy. The article Endoskop in German is also a mess – my 2 cents.
I am a journalist with the specialities in computer art, immigration canada and now some endoscopy too. I looked at endoscopy on de:wp for to fix some of it some day (maybe starting in novembre). As an excemple how to do it I found and as an start point – idee fix. Endoscopy today is more then only in medicine and more as flexible endoscope. We need to find a system for a first artikel and from this the links to the Main article: History of the endoscopy , medicine, list of medicine, industrie, and so on.
List of martial arts and combat sports – Combat sport and in German Liste der Kampfkünste und Kampfsportarten. Best regards.--Maxim Pouska (talk) 10:13, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Technical stuff should go into the endoscope article while medicine etc should go to the endoscopia. I should look at the German material perhaps google translating. I used to work as a reporter in Japan.I did an aricle on the Elektronica expo in Munchen/Munich while I was there.--Jondel (talk) 13:37, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

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List of Asian Jews[edit]

Jondel, This was a remarkably poor series of edits by any editor. I'm sure you know that a person is typically included in a list of people only if all the following requirements are met:

As an editor that's been around for more than a decade, I'd expect you to be familiar with WP:LISTPEOPLE, but in this case the article explicitly reminds you of it (see the first line of the diff).

I started to leave a few templated messages about this, but realized you're an admin - you really should know better. Toddst1 (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok.--Jondel (talk) 22:35, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
So you decided to add Emil Bachrach without any decent sources? There isn't even a decent source in the article about him supporting that he's a Asian Jew. You can be blocked for continuing this nonsense. Toddst1 (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

There is a book source and articles from the embassies.--Jondel (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok. You're an admin. You should know this basic stuff. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution.
That you don't seem to understand this is quite troubling as you hold administrative privileges. Toddst1 (talk) 20:56, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

There is a book source and articles from the embassies--Jondel (talk) 21:02, 21 April 2017 (UTC).--Jondel (talk) 20:52, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

You know there is a tag there "In Progress" and your blatantly removing categories?--Jondel (talk) 21:12, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Using Google books[edit]

Thanks for the sources. Sorry I didn't see the in-progress tag.

I thought you would find this useful: Just plug the URL of your google book source in and it will spit out a nicely formatted, templated reference you can paste into your articles. That way you avoid the naked URLs as references and {{linkrot}} tags. Hope this helps. Toddst1 (talk) 21:53, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. I still have to study those tags though.--Jondel (talk) 22:08, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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April 2017[edit]

Information icon Hello. Your recent edit to List of Asian Jews appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person or organization added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 17:14, 30 April 2017 (UTC)


I have initiated a discussion Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Request_to_de-sysop_Jondel:_Arbitrators.27_opinion_on_hearing_this_matter_.3C0.2F0.2F0.3E regarding your suitability as an administrator. Toddst1 (talk) 23:59, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

You need to move your replies to your own section. The section you posted in is for arbs only. --NeilN talk to me 04:00, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, we'll do.--Jondel (talk) 04:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi Jondel. Are you planning any further replies to the arbitration case request? --NeilN talk to me 14:55, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
It looks like a couple of the arbitrators have suggested a voluntary resignation of the admin tools. In case you weren't aware, this is done via a request at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard. I'm not saying you should do it, but it does seem like the path of least drama at this point. ~Awilley (talk) 16:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Hey, I wanted to say that I have a lot of respect for your decision and also to say thank you for the work you've done in the past. You're obviously passionate about the project, and you've been here longer than most. Also, because you expressed concern about vandalism proliferating on the 6000 or so articles you watch, I wanted to point you to a powerful tool that makes fighting vandalism a lot easier. With just a few clicks you can revert the vandalism, warn the vandal, and even report repeat offenders to a special administrator noticeboard where admins regularly patrol and block vandals. I will warn you though that the tools are powerful and you can do some damage (like warning and reporting innocent users) if you're not careful. There are also other functions that automate the welcome templates for new users. Anyway, the page where you can learn how to install and use the tool is WP:Twinkle. If you're interested. ~Awilley (talk) 04:45, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
    Your welcome Awilley. Regarding the tools, I guess it's like me a baby learning how to talk again. Some of us dinosaurs refuse to be extinct.--Jondel (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for doing the right thing here. I would be very likely to support you at RfA if you became more active in the future and brushed up on policies again. ~ Rob13Talk 05:39, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
    Your welcome Rob. --Jondel (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

User warning templates[edit]

Jondel, I see you've been leaving a few warnings for vandals. This is good. You might find these useful for warning users about bad behavior:

Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace

You can copy them and paste them on folks' user pages. If you already are aware of these, please disregard. I'm honestly trying to be helpful to you. Toddst1 (talk) 00:21, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Why thanks Toddst1 ! --Jondel (talk) 12:16, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you for notifying me. I would like to provide decent sources and restore the book article.--Jondel (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! ~ Rob13Talk 02:57, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you, Rob, this privilege will not be abused. (sheesh I thought the Waking the Tiger got outvoted for deletion.)--Jondel (talk) 03:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC)