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Editing Demographics Section in Lingayatism
I am a new user, I might have edited the article improperly. Could you guide me in the process?
Regarding the subsection Demographics under Lingayatism, It's as hard to define and mark Lingayats as it is to mark Hindus. It consists of tens of endogamous castes who do not inter marry or socialise because of the different socio-economic conditions.
Census figures in Karnataka, Maharastra themselves will show you varying % of Lingayats due to the reason because many of these castes follow Lingayat culture and vegetarianism but during identification those who have affirmative action benefits enlist themselves as their caste fellowmen, while those relatively richer castes enlist themselves as Lingayats or Veerashaivas.
MN SRINIVAS, the sociologist lists Lingayats as a Dominant caste(numerical power and economic power) however his is a parochial view. Social dissuasions or political discussions, Lingayats mean the 'dominant castes' and not a dominant caste. So the rich castes professing vegetarianism in Karnataka region have tended to inter-marry and hence there is increasing identification of Lingayat as a caste. However there is a deep split between so called forward castes of Lingayatism and backward castes. This manifested into the Lingayat-Veerashaiva rivalry. Again these 2 terms are vague - Lingayat and Veerashaivas are just political notions, castes will jump on to their bandwagon as time progresses and political divisions take place.
I request you to delete the section. I will run the content through you with relevant citations and get your approval before re-posting?
Why I am a Hindu
is apparently the title of Shashi Tharoor's 17th book. Here is talk on it:
@Joshua Jonathan: Hi kind of your guidance. The whole point of Lingayat movement was to oppose the Hindu core beliefs. It's no different from Buddhism, Jainism etc.. But ￼later are considered separate religion but not Lingayatism. Lingayats may worship Hindu Gods but so are jains and Buddhists in India, due to syncretism of beliefs. Confusions are due to the Veerahaivas, who are core Hindu believers trying to identify as Lingayats but rejecting Lingayatism beliefs for political gain, nothing more. I'll try to add information with latest sources, please correct me wrong and notify me. Finally I request you to direct this page to followers of Lingayatism known as Lingayats. Lingayats are the biggest community in Karnataka state of India and form significant population in neighbouring states. The page might help those looking for Lingayat community: "Making Sense of the Lingayat vs Veerashaiva Debate". The Wire. Retrieved 2019-03-16.. Aatoturk (talk) 02:09, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- @Aatoturk: I was a little bit quick with reverting you, but as I was working on a mobile phone, I was restricted in my means tp modify your edits. I'll take a closer look later. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:35, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@Joshua Jonathan: thank you for your response. Directly adding to the lead section was actually my fault. Please consider directing this page to term Lingayat also, since this page has large information about Lingayats, who are followers of Lingayatism and this could be helpful for those searching community also. Hindu nationalists like RSS oppose minority status to any anti-stratification faith originated in India. "RSS Opposes Separate Lingayat Religion, Movement Leaders Say We Don't Need Your Approval". News18. Retrieved 2019-03-16. Aatoturk (talk) 07:55, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
- Aatoturk: I concur with JJ's reverts. Please see the article's talk page and the archives. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:00, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Mind for a pint, mate?
- @Jayaguru-Shishya: three years? You must be kidding. No, I haven't forgotten you, and this 'old dog' is still active. How about the car; going into sales? ;) Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm trying to sell it in order to cover my Wikipedia editing expenses. ^^ Kidding, kidding. But here where I live, we need something more sturdy than some fancy compact exec. That's why I have my 4x4 diesel. And you know, they speak a lot of bad things about us diesel folks these days. But don't believe them, nothing of that's true. Or as President Trump would've put it, "that's false news". Actually, we are good and loving people; people with good old values and strong opinions, people whose neighbours still are friends among each other. ;) Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 22:40, 17 March 2019 (UTC)