Mick Avory/Tony Chapman
thanks for the message, and for creating an account - it's much easier to communicate with someone who's identified by more than just an IP address. it's usually better to discuss particular articles on those articles' talk pages ... but since we've started here:
- thanks for clarifying that Avory's statement that he wasn't at the Marquee on july 12th is in Karnbach's book. Karnach's books are full of factual errors, but Avory saying the same thing certainly helps, and i'll change the reference in Stu's article to the Karnbach book since you say it supports that statement ... on the other hand, Dick Taylor's statement is a good illustration of one of the frustrating aspects of Stones History: the eyewitnesses are not always reliable; even Wyman's books have mistakes in them. (oh and by the way: i'm aware of who Dick Taylor is and his role in Little Boy Blue & the Blue Boys, the very early Stones, the Pretty Things - but again: being an eyewitness doesn't mean he remembers everything right.)
- anyway the article about Stu isn't really the appropriate place for detailed discussions about what various sources say about the drummer on July 12th 1962 - you really should take it up on the talk page of the Mick Avory article and probably The Rolling Stones article as well.
meanwhile thanks again for pursuing the ISBN of the Stu book (i've replied to you on the Stu article talk page. if there's a need to continue this "private conversation", please reply to me here on your talk page, okay? i'll keep it on my watchlist for a few days so i'll notice if you reply, and that way the whole "conversation" will be in one place, which is easier to keep track of. Sssoul (talk) 08:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
hello again - i'm transplanting this from my user page, since
- a] you shouldn't write things on other people's user pages - when you want to leave someone a message, make sure you're on their user talk page; and
- b] as i noted above, you can reply to me here on your own talk page - it's easier for everyone that way. thanks Sssoul (talk) 05:13, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hello Sssoul,
- in respons to your remarks on the books of Wyman and Karnbach/Benson, yes I've noticed several mistakes too. I spoke with Karnbach and he is very annoyed about those mistakes, basically caused by the pressure of the publisher. I tried to pusued him to make an up-to-date reprint of the book (almost 12 years later, during which lots happened around the Stones), but so far without success.
- Sometimes knowing the truth isn't helping out, because, as you said, written reference is required. Through complicated channels I found out (and have seen authentic photos) about Brian Jones' first "Stones" guitar - a Harmony Stratotone - (and I know who now owns that guitar), but the "Gibson" remark in Laura Jackson's book "Golden Stone" ISBN 1856850307 is often blindly copied by others. She in fact also copied the Mick Avory story herself :-)Juilliard2005 (talk) 21:01, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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