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Would this article qualify for speedy under A1/"no context"? It's not a big deal since it will be deleted via prod in a few hours anyway, but I wanted to get a better handle on what the criteria means exactly. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 02:50, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say you could get away with deleting that as A1 (or even A3). –Juliancolton | Talk 02:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

International Tamil Film Awards

Saw that you closed ITFA Dream Girl Award as a merge. There are 17 such pages listed at International_Tamil_Film_Awards#Awards that all need to be merged because of the lack of any content in the main article and all 17 sub articles. The award is notable, but listing every line item in the award in a separate page is absurd. At the same time the 17 pages all have content that has to be merged. Is there some way you could initiate a merge for all in one go? I can just make one single wikitable on the main page that incorporates all the content in. However, having 18 redirects like this is a bit absurd too. So, I'm not sure if I didn't make a mistake in saying merge rather than delete. At that time, I thought it was one page, didn't realize it was a walled garden. Let me know what you think. -SpacemanSpiffCalvinHobbes 05:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. Each article should ideally be taken on a case-by-case basis, so at the moment only one has consensus to merge as far as I can tell. On the other hand, if all 18 of the articles were to be merged, there would be nothing wrong with having 18 resultant redirects. It might be worth a discussion at WP:MRD, but I don't think it's a big deal personally. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:34, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll initiate a merge discussion for all on the article talk page (looks like WP:MRD isn't active and last discussion was in April). They can be split after another 10 years when there's a reason to split. cheers -SpacemanSpiffCalvinHobbes 19:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


Can you look into closing this AfD per WP:SNOW? Alan16 (talk) 08:57, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Usually if there's objection to a speedy close, I tend to let the discussion run its course (see Shadowjams's comment at the bottom). –Juliancolton | Talk 15:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough - the comment was made after I posted the above. Thanks, Alan16 (talk) 16:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC).

My autoreviewer rights

Hi Julian. I was granted autoreviewer rights after a request at permissions a few weeks back, because I had previously been active at articles for creation and planned to return to do some work there. Articles for creation no longer actually involves technically "creating" new articles, we now just move them from a Talk page created by an IP requestor. As I no longer have need for the autoreviewer flag, I was wondering if you would please remove it from my account. Thanks, :-) GrooveDog (talk) 19:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the rights. (X! · talk)  · @850  ·  19:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. GrooveDog (talk) 19:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


I think it's about time for some "moar cowbell". Thoughts? ceranthor 19:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd say so, probably best to ask him though. –Juliancolton | Talk 21:14, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tallest buildings in Amarillo

There were multiple articles that were proposed for deletion. List of Tallest Buildings In Riverside is an example; is there a reason you didn't remove the AfD tags from those articles? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Doing... as we speak. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:09, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
A half step ahead I see... sorry for the disturbance. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)


Hello! You recently closed this discussion saying, "Editorial decisions, such as merging/redirecting, should be discussed elsewhere." The next day, we have this and this. Shouldn't merges and redirecting have been given at least a couple days worth of attempt at discussion before renominations? In the former, part of the concern is as Colonel Warden says in the Afd the renominator had been previously sanctioned for going against consensus in these kinds of scenarios, and in the latter it is a nomination for content I created by someone who has ridiculed me in the past ([1], [2], etc.). I therefore strongly believe these nominations are in disregard to your close and the consensus of that discussion, if not in the latter case personal, and in any event are in disregard of any effort to discuss merges or redirects per WP:BEFORE and WP:PRESERVE. Not to mention what is the pressing need with regards to these two articles that justifies immediate renominations? I therefore strongly believe these should be speedily closed and as the closer of the first discussion and as someone who is generally neutral/objective with these things thought you should be aware. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 17:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, speedily renominating in that manner would likely be considered disruptive. I'm unsure if it warrants closing the discussions early, however, as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grail (DC Comics) (2nd nomination) has garnered good-faith arguments for deletion. It might be best to ask an uninvolved admin to review the situation; having closed the original AfD, I might be a bit too involved to take action. Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 17:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
One already tried, but the nominator just reverted him. Since then, aside from the nominator, only one editor has said to delete versus four who have said to speedy keep/close. The Salvation, Texas one is so far similarly looking like WP:SNOW with three keeps in a row and no deletes beside the nominator. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 18:37, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I can deal withthat

f you'd be kind enough to semi protect that would help as well. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 19:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. Semi protected for two weeks. Let me know if you want the duration reduced or extended. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps August update

Thanks to everyone's dedicated efforts to the GA Sweeps process, a total of 215 articles were swept in July! We are currently nearly 80% done with Sweeps, with under 600 articles left to review. With 50 members, that averages out to about 12 articles per person. Once the remaining articles drop to 100, I'll help in reviewing the last articles (I'm currently taking a break). If each member reviews an article every other day this month (or several!), we'll be completely finished. Again, I want to thank you for using your time to ensure the quality of the older GAs. Feel free to recruit other editors who have reviewed GANs in the past and might be interested in the process. The more editors, the less the workload, and hopefully the faster this will be completed. If you have any questions about reviews or the process let me know and I'll be happy to get back to you. Again, thank you for taking the time to help with the process, I appreciate your efforts! --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 19:30, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

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Cool, thanks! –Juliancolton | Talk 22:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Stupid comments

Please do not interfere where you have no connection with the conversation --Keith 23:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

It's a collaborative project; discussions aren't limited to only users involved with the matter at hand. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:48, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Users with offensive names

Thanks for killing that user CoonDayNigg - that name really bothered me. Was there any way I could have reported that quicker other than utilizing the template on his talk page?

Appreciate the help. --Manway (talk) 02:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

In the future, you can report obviously inappropriate usernames to WP:UAA, and it should be dealt with within a matter of minutes. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 02:32, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Closing AfDs

Hi there. You recently had an RfB, where I supported you and made a comment about giving fuller reasons for decisions sometimes, which I think you've taken on board. When I read others' comments (esp, though not only, amongst the opposes) I noticed some questions raised about the speed of your closures at AfD. THe policy, as you know, sys "Articles listed here are debated for at least seven days, after which the deletion process proceeds based on Wikipedia community consensus". I don't often participate at AfD, but got involved through Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Israel lobby in the United States. It was a rather torrid discussion, but I thought one where a compromise might get hammered out amongst the active editors at the 'middle' of the range of views (such as myself and Ravpapa). At some stage I had gone to bed and thought that the next day I might contact Ravpapa at their talk page and see what their thinking was.I guess I had spent about 36 hours thinking this through. I got up the next morning to find the discussion closed after the 7 days - you had closed it. You made some reasonable comments in your closing remarks, however, since a 'merge' decision can be the result of an AfD (according to the policy), I can't agree with your decision, based on the weight of discussion and reasoning in the AfD. My plea to you is to recognise that a complex discussion I don't think benefits from being closed in the minimum time (7 and a half days, to be exact). If left open for another week or two, some of us may have hammered something out. The fact that no-one had added to the discussion for 18 hours just is not indicative that no-one has anythign to say. People are busy in real life, and working on 24 hour cycles. For this reason, I thought I would drop by and say that a similar discussoin has developed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of State terrorism by Sri Lanka. If you happen to be cruising through, at this stage can I ask that the seven day minimum not be treated as "seven days, fulls stop". Thank you. hamiltonstone (talk) 07:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. To be honest, I was thinking the opposite; in my experience at AfD, complex and controversial discussions tend to stop being productive after a few days, so if consensus is not reached after seven days, relisting isn't really practical. Also, relists are typically used to garner attention on under-attended AfDs, rather than to substitute for a judgment call; given the nearly perpetual backlog at AfD, I try to only relist where absolutely necessary. Nonetheless, I'll bear your comments in mind. –Juliancolton | Talk 11:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

deleted article - am I allowed to put the content insight another article?

Dear Juliancolton, you deleted an article I wrote, 2 people actually voted for deletion in its then present form, but I changed it afterwards, and this was not considered. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Corruption Measures. I suggested to put the text into Political corruption, number 5 "fighting corruption", because there is no significant information there, but nobody commented on that suggestion. Am I allowed to put it there now? Personally, I think it makes sense, because also missing information can be misleading, as people will think that nothing but radio broadcasts etc. is done. I'm grateful for your help! --Simplyonlyme (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted page about Jimmy Franklin - stunt pilot

There is no explaination as to why you deleted it? Care to explain? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

There is actually; the deletion summary cited Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Franklin, which closed with consensus to delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:15, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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I've withdrawn my RFA at the advice of Xeno. I'm ready to dive full speed ahead into coaching. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:29, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

That's an admirable decision. When you're ready, go ahead and create User:Ktr101/Admin coaching or some such with a couple paragraphs about yourself and your editing career. I'll be on vacation for the next week, so I won't be able to actively participate during that time; however, I'll be able to start by next weekend. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
I will. Have fun! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Please go here: User:Ktr101/Administrator coaching. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Fullstops in thumbnail summaries

Hi there. I'm an editor from a gaming wiki and happen to have an inquiry regarding fullstops in image summaries. By which I am referring to the text that you have in a thumbnail image. Is there a reason/specific policy that explains why there aren't any fullstops? Seeing as you are an active admin, I thought you might know. I've already asked A Train about it but he hasn't replied. Thanks! Calebchiam (talk) 08:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, nice to meet you. According to MOS:CAPTIONS, "Most captions are not complete sentences, but merely nominal groups (sentence fragments) that should not end with a period. If a complete sentence occurs in a caption, that sentence and any sentence fragments in that caption should end with a period." I'm not exactly sure why to be honest; for a more thorough explanation, you should check in with Tony1 (talk · contribs), our resident grammar expert. Hope this helps. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 12:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Outline of James Bond

Hi, I drafted an article, Outline of James Bond at User:Highfields/sandbox. The text then got pasted into Outline of James Bond but I think it would be better to move User:Highfields/sandbox to Outline of James Bond to keep the edit history intact. Could you possibly use some admin trickery to delete Outline of James Bond to move User:Highfields/sandbox there, like when you move over a redirect?

Any help would be appreciated

Highfields (talk, contribs) 15:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

ps. How do you get a customised text to appear above the edit box on the edit screen?, your talkpage is the second today that I've seen so I'm curious.

  • Sorry, didn't see your wikibreak notice, I'll contact someone else. Thanks anyway

Highfields (talk, contribs) 15:16, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Ncircle page

Dear JulianColton,

You recently deleted an article I created and I would like you to reconsider. The article was at I was unaware that the external media links were broken and I can easily replace them with multiple other links that will show the breadth and reach of the company. The argument that the article was 'blatant advertising' seems a little absurd seeing as the entire text is written in an objective manner and merely describes the company and what it does without any marketing or advertising at all. I would really appreciate a temporary un-deletion to make changes to the page and try and meet the argued criteria. I was waiting for a response from my first post to make changes and when I came back to make them the page was already gone. Could you please restore the page for a few days so that I can fix the issue and we can have another discussion about this? I really am trying to make it a good page. Thanks. rpelton —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpelton (talkcontribs) 17:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for the history merge JC. Jason Rees (talk) 01:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

np. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for archiving my request for adminship. Cheers, --Lionelisbest (talk) 02:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Glad to help. :) Good luck in the future if you ever decide to run again. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 Fail PeterSymonds (talk) 13:19, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Those bloody Brits rubbing off on you? Next you'll be tagging talk pages with {{British English}}! 718smiley.png wadester16 04:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you're right! We should delete him while we can! Malinaccier (talk) 04:58, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm quite honoured that you noticed that. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 13:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

RFC at Buffalo, New York talk page

Hi Julian, I wanted to know if you can keep an eye on the RFC at Talk:Buffalo, New York? Consensus is going for one opinion is but there seems to be some frazzled nerves developing. Shinerunner (talk) 10:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll keep an eye on it and weigh in once I get home. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Question

It's possible but someone needs to get in contact with the creator of the program as I don't know the code to have both hemispheres on the same map. I also need to know how to change the size of the image and focus it so I can make proper season maps, so if you could ask the creator these questions I'd greatly appreciate it and I would be happy to make a global map for you. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Admin Attention required.

User:Shimon Yanowitz is on a streak of adding original research personal attacks and violitions of 3rr. Can you do something about this pattern of disruptive behavior. There is an open ANi thread on it since yesterday. [[3]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:20, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

To clarify so you understand I'm not admin fishing this is an extention of the behaviors since yesterday minus the personal attacks.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:26, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you're on vacation I'll ask someone else. My bad. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:28, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Move request

Can you move Cyclone Justin (1997) to Cyclone Justin. The name was retired so the year should be removed, thanks. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

 DoneJuliancolton | Talk 15:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

NPWatcher requests

Hi there Julian, there's a couple of open requests for NPWatcher which should be pretty easy to deal with. Cheers - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:58, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of UFO sightings in New Jersey 1978

Hello. I saw that you deleted the article "UFO sightings in New Jersey 1978", created by me. It seems that it was prodded, but I wasn't notifiyed about this, and now the article is gone. Maybe you could get access to the history of the article to see who proposed its deletion and then give me his/her username, so that I can suggest him/her to put a polite pre-made note on user talk pages of people whose work he feels should be deleted. Thank you, Victão Lopes I hear you... 03:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Mark7-2 (talk · contribs) was the prodder. Do you want the article restored? A prod can be contested at anytime, including after deletion so if you want it back, that isn't an issue. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:55, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Bummer man - I was gonna put the ever popular [citation needed] tag on the reverted edit. — Ched :  ?  08:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't know I could contest a prod even after the article's deletion...if you are offering the page back, I will accept it, because after this and another similar article of mine were deleted, I've been working on improving UFO sightings articles with as many sources I can. I'm just gonna be able to work on it next sunday though. The article was indeed lacking a few references, I must admit. Victão Lopes I hear you... 02:07, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 Done - Please add some references ASAP though, because as it currently stands notability is very much in doubt. Thanks, ThaddeusB (talk) 02:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. However, as I said, my next opportunity to dedicate some time to it will be next sunday...although having time before that is not impossible. Victão Lopes I hear you... 02:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I won't personally be putting it up for deletion any time soon, but I, of course, can't guarantee no one else will. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm aware of that. Thank you very much for all. Victão Lopes I hear you... 02:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

If anybody cares

Back from vacation, so I'll be able to take care of any outstanding requests left here during the previous week. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:21, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

For your help on the Timeline of the 1996 Atlantic hurricane season FLC. The timeline is featured now, and I couldn't have done it without your help. Would you like to take partial credit for its featuring? I honestly think you deserve it. Best, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 17:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

And as an additional question, may I ask why I am labeled as a "former student" at Wikipedia:Admin coaching/Status? Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 18:06, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Congrats on the FL! Nah, I don't really deserve credit; you did most of the work, I just tinkered with the alt text a bit. :)
wrt to the admin coaching page, hmm, not sure. I might have done that accidentally while updating my status a few weeks ago. Will fix. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Move request

I moved "List of Albanians" to "Lists of Albanians". On retrospect, this is confusing, and I'd like to revert my move, but can't. Please move Lists of Albanians to List of Albanians. Thank you. The Transhumanist    19:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

As this popped up on my watchlist, I took care of it. The article has been moved to list of Albanians and lists... is now a redirect. Nev1 (talk) 19:36, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Nev1! –Juliancolton | Talk 22:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

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Discussion about "Neutral"

FYI: User talk:SandyGeorgia#What? Why? Wheretofore? Are we doing the right thing?. Wasn't sure if you saw it already. —Erik (talkcontrib) 00:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting read. Thanks for the link. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

User identity

Hi Julian, could I ask you to comment on this, I have asked WMC but he appears to have a lot going on at the moment.

A user Clockback User_talk:Clockback is continually refering to himself as a British newspaper columnist, Peter Hitchens he is currently signing his posts as.. Peter Hitchens, logged in as Clockback. Here [[4]] in this reply to his comment I have asked him to please confirm that he is this person or to stop doing it, and he has asked how this would be possible, could you advise him over this issue for me, please. Although he is avoiding having the user name Peter Hitchens by signing this way but I still feel there is a issue here that requires resolving. Let me know what you think, appreciated. There is now also a wikkettee alert [wikkettee alert] about him but that is not really the place to discuss this. (Off2riorob (talk) 15:28, 9 August 2009 (UTC))

Sure, I'll take a look. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:16, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Julian, welcome back from your holiday. Off2riorob (talk)16:27, 9August2009(UTC)
User:Clockback has had his identity confirmed via the OTRS as Peter Hitchens all well that ends well, regards for looking. (Off2riorob (talk) 16:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC))
Good to know, thanks for the notice. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted NCircle Page

Hello. I left a message here for you last week requesting that the ncircle page be undeleted to allow for modifications to address the arguments against it. There was never a response to my previous request. I'd like to know how I get the page undeleted. Since you were the person who did the final deletion the deletion review page says I must talk to you first-- I'm new to this process and don't understand why the article was allowed to be up for a year before all of this happened, and how it was deleted before I was able to respond to the concerns put up against it. Please help me understand what I need to do. I want the article to be good, and feel I have addressed other concerns efficiently and effectively. Looking forward to your replyRpelton (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. I deleted it in accordance with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NCircle, which suggested that consensus was to remove the article. The editors who argued for deletion mainly cited notability concerns. If you feel this action was in error, you're welcome to file a listing at WP:DRV. Hope this helps, –Juliancolton | Talk 17:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm looking at the WP:DRV page and I'm thinking that I need to request a tempundelete on the page to make changes. Or, is it possible to have the page restored to my user space to update-- similar to what the person below me on your talk page asked for? I don't want it to be reviewed until I've had the opportunity to change and update and I'm confused on how to make that happen. Any help appreciated. Rpelton (talk) 18:20, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Sure; I've restored the deleted content to User:Rpelton/NCircle. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Rpelton (talk) 18:37, 10 August 2009 (UTC) popular culture

Hi Dr. Colton. Thanks for your work at AfD. If you or one of the lurkers watching from the shadows is willing to move Neutron stars in fiction to my userspace I would appreciate it. If there's a way to salvage it somehow I'm hoping to do so (maybe a merge to a space memes in fiction article? better sourcing? I'm not sure what I can come up with yet...). Have a good one. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done Moved to User:ChildofMidnight/Neutron stars in fiction. Plastikspork (talk) 21:25, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Julian's talk page stalkers are certainly far more efficient than mine! :D ~ mazca talk 21:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Is that an invitation to stalk your page too? :) Plastikspork (talk) 21:29, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Haha, if you like. My comment mainly refers to a parallel - When ChildofMidnight wanted an article I'd deleted restored he had to wait about eight hours for me to wake up; when he wanted an article Julian had deleted he had to wait four minutes. ;) ~ mazca talk 21:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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Recent move: Siberian Tiger to Siberian tiger

You recently did this move at my request, but it looks like the talk page is still at Talk:Siberian Tiger; can you move the talk page also? Thanks, cmadler (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Good catch, fixed. Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 14:36, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


I'm all set up for you. Go here: User:Ktr101/Administrator coaching. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I responded to the questions. I reused question 2 from my RFA since I would basically state the same thing if asked again. I changed the other two because of the obvious issue that developed at that. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


Please can you restore this article, move to User:Hm2k/@icon sushi and explain what should be done to improve the article? --Hm2k (talk) 17:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Try and find some substantial coverage in secondary, reliable sources; once you're confident the article meets WP:N, you can bring it to WP:DRV to see if others agree. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 17:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Much appreciated. --Hm2k (talk) 17:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Based on your suggestion, I have opened discussion for improvement. Myself and a fellow editor are wondering if there is anything else that we can do to establish notability. The article has been expanded quite a bit since the AfD request was issued. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks. --Hm2k (talk) 14:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


I do think it odd that Raul would run the Christmas storm (which I well remember, btw) in August (despite my Crazy Eddie joke, which you won't appreciate, never having seen the commercials) with so many regular hurricane articles much more appropriate to the month. But he must have seen your post.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I found it a bit peculiar as well, but as you said, he knows what he's doing. Well, I've heard of Christmas in August, if it helps...Juliancolton | Talk 14:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but I grew up in the NY area with the commercials ... Raul's back, you might want to post at his talk page.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Done by Raul. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Hey Julian, when can we resume my admin coaching? I saw Kevin's post here and I was hoping you could do the same for me. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 14:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I'll post some more stuff this afternoon. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey again. Just a quick notice, I'll be off for the night soon, so I was hoping we could do the questions before I get off. If you don't have the time, though, I'm perfectly OK with waiting until tomorrow. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 23:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Immediate commons deletion

Could you please delete commons:File:Robert-pattinson-hair-cut-new-photos-1.jpg. I was unaware it's license was being disputed at the Wikipedia when I transferred it. Thank you • S • C • A • R • C • E • 15:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

 DoneJuliancolton | Talk 15:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, that was fast! • S • C • A • R • C • E • 15:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chinchilla rescue centres

Hi Juliancolton

I was surprised by both the closure decision you made at the above-captioned deletion discussion you made and by your closing comment that "arguments for keeping the article are irrelevant to the matter at hand." There were six opinions in favor of deletion, at least five of which at least mentioned notability criteria directly or by reference. The two opinions in favor of keeping the article neither demonstrated the subject's appropriateness for inclusion nor made even a halfhearted effort to do so. If you have an opinion yourself on the matter, you should opine at the AfD. However, I don't see how your close reflects even a rough consensus of editors participating in good faith.

Regards, Bongomatic 16:05, 11 August 2009 (UTC) Should you wish to reply, please do so here. I will watch this page for a few days, so no {{talkback}} or other comment on my talk page is required.

You're entirely correct; I simply pressed the wrong button on my closing script. :) Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 16:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
D'oh! Glad I pinged you rather than went to DRV or something silly!!! Bongomatic 16:10, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I think actually that all the keep comments were meant in jest. But the article would be good on the Unencyclopedia perhaps? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


I know this is completely unrelated to why you left a message on my talk page but I was wondering if you could help me out with creating images, no matter what I try I can't get the image to come up on the page Thanks!! I guess in light of your last message I could also use some coaching. (please respond on my talk page) --Bismarck43 (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, have you followed the instructions at Help:Images and other uploaded files? –Juliancolton | Talk 17:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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My watchlist is always full of IP reverts. It appears the Twilight-related articles are constantly vandalized. Would you mind giving the articles a scan a see if they qualify for some level of protection? Find a list at Portal:Twilight/Topics. Thank you • S • C • A • R • C • E • 18:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like all the ones that need it have already been semi-protected. I'll keep an eye on it. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:21, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for locking the Anderson Silva page. Any way to lock the vandal ( as well?

Cheers. Jdsouza (talk) 21:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Blocked for 31 hours. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)


Please see my answers. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 00:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Negative BLP in the history

Hi. I see you gave Kaadoosh (talk · contribs) a well-deserved week's block. One of this user's exploits was Keilor downs college (small d and c), which I turned into a redirect to the existing Keilor Downs College. However Kaadoosh's first version of the small-d-and-c article contains highly undesirable negative BLP - I think, to remove that from view, it would be useful if you would delete the small-d-and-c version and re-create it as a redirect. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 09:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done, thanks for the note. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 14:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

Hey there,

I was looking at the list of active coaches over at WP:ADCO and saw that you currently have 3 out of 4 students. I was wondering if you would consider taking me on in addition to these users. The reason I ask you is not just because you have space but because I like your style on the 'pedia. Put simply: I like the way you do things. You are a damn good wikipedian and admin and I believe the phrase is "learn from the best".

Looking forward to hearing from you (either way) Smile.svg -- Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 15:27, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi Cabe, thanks for the polite request and kind words. Sure, I'd be happy to coach you! What sorts of lessons are you looking for in particular? –Juliancolton | Talk 16:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Erm... I'm not too sure on the particulars tbh. What would you suggest? I've created a subpage at User:Cabe6403/AC for anything related to this so we don't overwhelm our talk pages -- Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 16:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, we could start with a more general coaching method, or we could dive straight into admin-type stuff. Either way, go ahead and start off that page with a brief statement about yourself, your editing career, and your reasons for wanting to become an admin. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Done Smile.svg YesY Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 11:44, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey dude, I've answered the RfA questions you posted. Looking forward to your response(s) :) -- Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 19:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian, I've sent you an e-mail. Cheers, iMatthew talk at 13:57, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Responded. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:19, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Excellent! Would you mind starting today, actually? There's a lot of down time around here, so I have some time to take a look at whatever you'd like me to start with. If I may suggest it, I'd prefer answering questions about a topic, and then a task based on the topic. I'm willing to start in any topic/area you'd like. Thanks for agreeing to work with me! :) iMatthew talk at 20:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I have a feeling you got so many messages today, that you accidentally looked this one over. Am I right? If not, sorry for sounding so impatient. iMatthew talk at 00:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Alright, see User:IMatthew/Coaching and follow the instructions there. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:41, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 Done iMatthew talk at 18:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


I have an AFD out there, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pull Me Under. I'm concerned that several of the participants have advanced no arguments other than thinly-disguised ILIKEIT, one of them by the creator of a nominated article. I know we're told that it isn't a vote and that the closing admin will disregard such frippery. It seems to me that the consensus is to delete for most and propose a merge for some of the others. But the AFD is due to finish tommorow, and I'm worried about a no consensus close. Should I relist? How can I best ensure that unreasoned keep votes aren't taken to thwart consensus by the closing admin?- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 02:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Your concerns are definitely justified. As it is, there's no clear consensus either way, though it's leaning towards delete. I think relisting it for another 7 days would be the best course of action (or closing it as "no consensus" and allowing for a speedy renomination). I'll keep an eye on it. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that there's consensus to delete several of these and to propose a merge for the remainder. Still, it's a judgment call, and this AFD seems to be a good candidate for relisting. No consensus closes are preferred over a relist when "there has been substantive debate, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, and it appears that consensus will not be achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable" (WP:RELIST). In other words, a no consensus close is appropriate when we think everyone who is likely to weigh in has weighed in, the differences are intractable, and leaving the nomination open longer is unlikely to break the logjam by bringing in new voices. Here, there have been only a few comments that are actually on-point (I discount the ILIKEIT comments entirely), and relisting may solicit further input. Would you mind doing the honors, or may I? I ask because my recollection is that there's a norm against a nominator relisting.- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 15:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, good point. You might want to see Mazca's comment. I think it's probably best to close this particular discussion as no consensus and re-nominate the articles individually. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Please see my reply to him. I disagree that there is no consensus; I think we have consensus to delete some and not others. That's a perfectly acceptable outcome: we can delete those for which there is consensus (express or implied) and I'm happy to propose merges for those for which there is no consensus or for which consensus is to keep or merge.- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 22:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Black Hawk War

I'm within a hair of a guy approving this for GA. Can you look at this for ce purposes? And I am not sure the atrocities line is in the best spot. And I need help expanding the legacy section. When it's GA I'm going to file a FAC. (I know for FAC I need to work on the ref format consistency). Thanks. RlevseTalk 10:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it's already been passed. Will copyedit it tonight with FA standards in mind. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks in advance. RlevseTalk 23:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Palantir software exists

The CEO of Palantir software, Alexander Karp, was on Charlie Rose last night, August 11, 2009. Perhaps your deletion of the article on it March 11 was hasty. I would have appreciated knowing more about it and his background. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palantir (software). A single appearance on a television program does not necessarily make a topic notable, but if you feel otherwise, you may file a request at WP:DRV. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Asian Silvers / PDVD

Hey Julian, could you please look at this article and its history and make the appropriate determination? By now the speedyvio doesn't really apply--but what is it? no context? spam? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted as spam. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Drmies (talk) 01:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your note. I responded on my talk page. -- Noroton (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Re 1

Nope. I was looking at Special:Nuke and meant to look at the recent articles MBisanz had created and instead deleted one. KnightLago (talk) 22:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

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RfA questions (again)

Hey. It's been about 24 hours since I answered these questions. Could you please get back to me on those? Thanks! --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 01:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

User:Tennis expert

is clearly lurking and has not "vanished", therefore, I would ask that all the pages deleted per the WP:RTV request be restored. Ohconfucius (talk) 01:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I support this request.  HWV258  01:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'd rather not become involved with this matter; perhaps Seddon (talk · contribs) or PeterSymonds (talk · contribs) would be willing to help? Again, sorry I couldn't be of more assistance. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry too, as I do not find your response acceptable. You happily deleted his userpages when the request was there. Now that there is evidence that Tennis expert has not "vanished", you suddenly not want to get involved. I am, frankly, at a loss. I would just say I have seen you undertake courageous and decisive admin actions in the past, so this buck-passing seems to be a bit out of character. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I must disagree on one point; an uncontroversial RTV is a lot different from a very controversial 'un-right to vanish'. —Ed (TalkContribs) 03:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
  • At face value, it may have looked like an uncontroversial RTV. However, those who have had significant dealings with the subject were sceptical of whether he really intended to vanish, witness his diva-esque retirement (sic). I believe there were those who opposed the application of RTV to him, but were satisfied with arguments that his deleted pages would be undeleted should he reappear. HE IS NOW BACK, so what are we waiting for?? Ohconfucius (talk) 03:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh okay, your point is a little clearer. :-) Perhaps the dreaded AN/I would be a better venue for this? I don't think that further discussion here will be very productive... —Ed (TalkContribs) 03:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
At the time, I was entirely unaware of the controversy that surrounded Tennis expert, so I took it as a standard request for deletion by a user in good standing. Now that I am aware of said controversy, I do not feel comfortable preforming drive-by undeletions and possibly stepping on some toes. I'd rather an admin more familiar with the matter, though not necessarily involved, take any required actions, so as to minimize drama and avoid potential mistakes or misunderstandings. I hope this addresses your concern satisfactorily; if not, I sincerely apologize for the inconvenience. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I won't claim to be familiar with the matter, but I will claim to be uninvolved. For starters, I don't think that this user has fully exercised their right to vanish; if they had, they would have contacted a bureaucrat, who would have changed their username. That didn't happen. The other possibility is that they DID contact a bureaucrat, but the crat declined their request, because they were not in good standing. In that case, they wouldn't have had a right to vanish. So, given that, I have only undeleted the user's talk page. As far as the other pages that were deleted, the user was well within his rights to have those pages deleted, even if he wasn't vanishing, and unless he/she explicitly requests those pages to be undeleted, "unvanishing" isn't rationale enough for someone else to ask to undelete them. Mikaey, Devil's advocate 03:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply to your question

Well, I'm going to choose to take your question as an implied compliment, and I'm flattered. Let me make clear why I probably am non-promotable.

Truth be told, I'd be lying if I said I'd never thought about it, and you're not quite the first person to bring up the subject with me. Last time I begged off because I didn't think I had the time to monitor an RfA for a week. Additionally, while I think I have the right temperament (possibly the single most important ingredient to being a successful admin), I think that the regular RfA crowd would likely send me off with lots of opposes encouraging me to try again in a few months after gaining more experience in my "deficient areas". After all, I've never gotten an FA or GA promoted, my AfD experience is limited (I haven't yet memorized all the individual notability criteria, for example), and in general, I haven't done all the things that those aspiring to the mop are expected to do. Eventually, I probably will complete the litany, but not because I am trying to fool the RfA crowd into believing that I'm the multi-talented person they're looking for, but just because I was looking into other areas. (That's how I got into this. My watchlist had grown stale, I was looking around for ways to be helpful, and I found a page full of work with which I thought I could be helpful. Now I try to do work in this area on a semi-regular basis.) I've dropped into AfD occasionally for the same reason, but not often enough to gain any respect. Someday I think it'd be cool to work on some FA promotions (although, quite truthfully, I suspect that we'd be better off as an encyclopedia doing more GAs than FAs), but I'm not going to do it just because people will tell me that's what I need to do in order to be trusted with the tools. And DYK? I think DYKs are neat to read. But I have no interest at all in providing them, especially since they're apparently tied to article creation, which I think (with about 3m articles) should be a few notches down from the top of our priority list.

Lastly, Julian, I think that I'm probably doomed to fail an RfA because of this: As you have no doubt noticed by now, I am nearly incapable of providing a concise answer even to the simplest questions. If I had any notoriety at all, I'd think that this essay had been written for me personally.  :-) Again, thanks for your post; if I've misinterpreted your thinking, feel free to allow me to persist in my deluded state. (And don't forget to inform me about your next RfB!) Cheers, Unschool 03:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the... detailed... response! :) You did indeed interpret my question correctly; in spite of your comments, however, I'm still confident you could pass RfA with flying colors. Your work here has been both consistent and accurate, and while you may not have any GAs or FAs to your name, you still do tons of article work. You're plenty active enough, so I really can't see a reason why you could possibly fail. It's your call, though. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 04:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the encouraging words. I'll give the matter some additional thought. No matter what I decide, please know that you've made my day. Unschool 04:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


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Portal:Rhode Island

I find you in the most surprising places sometimes. Just letting you know of my rampage to replace this with this. Same composition, better quality, and higher resolution. Some more images will be uploaded soon from the area, possibly one to replace this. Also, might this interest you for a selected picture? wadester16 03:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Great, thanks! I'll have to stalk your Commons contribs to look for potential selected pictures. :) I went to Newport last week expecting to take some photos, but unfortunately it was far too foggy... –Juliancolton | Talk 04:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
And since you seem to be well-versed in Newport, could you please replace the lead image of Newport, Rhode Island with something more appropriate? A bridge does not represent a city, especially since it serves another town as well. Thank you. :) wadester16 15:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, I could try making one of those collage things. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Yea, possibly. I just think a bridge is a bad representation of a town/city. I do have this, but I'm not trying to push it down your throat. Another image from Newport Historic District (Rhode Island) would do just fine. wadester16 16:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. I can't find any skyline photos at Commons, but The Breakers are fairly representative of the city, so The Breakers Newport RI.jpg or such might work. I'll keep searching. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
[5] ← Kinda messy just yet, but I think it could work. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

deleted article - am I allowed to put the content insight another article?

Dear Juliancolton, I think you forgot to answer to the message I left you on 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC). Could you maybe advise me on this matter? deleted an article I wrote, 2 people actually voted for deletion in its then present form, but I changed it afterwards, and this was not considered. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Corruption Measures. I suggested to put the text into the article Political Corruption, point 5 "fighting corruption", because there is no significant information there, but nobody commented on that suggestion. Am I allowed to put it there now? Should I discuss it there on the talk page or just insert it and see who revises it? Personally, I think it makes sense, because also missing information can be misleading, as people will think that nothing but radio broadcasts etc. is done. Sorry if this is a silly question, but I am not aware of all the rules and might miss something important out! I'm very grateful for your help! --Simplyonlyme (talk) 08:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you feel you've addressed the concerns raised at the deletion discussion, feel free to file a request at WP:DRV to enlist the opinions of other editors. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yellowknife tornado

Sorry to say that I haven't managed to find anything at all on this. Is there perhaps another name by which it would be better known? Cool3 (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Ah, hmm... odd. If there's nothing by that name, I suspect there won't be much of anything to be found on it. Thanks for checking. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 16:11, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian, I finished the CSD questions. Ready to move on whenever you are! iMatthew talk at 17:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks so much! Any idea where I can find the Rollbacker userbox? :) --ScythreTalkContribs 20:55, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

{{User rollback}}. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 20:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian, I was hoping you could respond to the message in the blue tag above. ;) Also, I was hoping that we could do unblock requests as the next lesson. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 21:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

 DoneJuliancolton | Talk 21:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I've replied to your examples. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 23:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


You've got mail. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Check your mail, I've found one source. Dabomb87 (talk) 22:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for providing me with rollback --Notedgrant (talk) 22:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Good luck with the new tool! –Juliancolton | Talk 22:22, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 :D The tool is really helpful :)) --Notedgrant (talk) 13:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Still My Girl

I copied the text over to the My Girl 2 article diff and used the history link diff in the summary. I do not know how to merge the history. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 01:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

As long as the revision history of the initial article remains intact, it's not necessary to preform a histmerge. Thanks for completing the merge! –Juliancolton | Talk 01:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Do you know how to center the seal I've added to {{New Netherland}}? wadester16 02:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I can't figure it out for the life of me. Pinged someone on IRC who will be taking a look shortly. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, JC. It's been fixed by your savior from IRC. :-) wadester16 03:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

kind words

Thank you for your kind words on my talk page. Ling.Nut (talk) 04:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Though we've had our run-ins in the past, I think your Wikipedian of the Day award was well-deserved. –Juliancolton | Talk 04:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Cater Street Hangman

Hi. I'm a new member of the Novel Project and I have created a page in a sandbox for the novel The Cater Street Hangman. Alan16 explained to me that because this page currently exists as a redirect it needs an admin to sort it out. Can you please move the sandbox page to the article page. The sandbox can be found at: User:Sabiona/Sandbox4. Thanks,Sabiona (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

 DoneJuliancolton | Talk 14:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Unblock requests

Hey Julian, I was concerned that the large amount of subsequent messages may have prevented you from seeing this, so I decided to post again: could you please tell me what you think of my replies to this? Also, could you please tell me what you think of this? Thank you very much, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 14:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I generally like to wait a bit between responses, to avoid burnout (on both our parts). –Juliancolton | Talk 17:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Maybe after it's all over is better - but I'd be willing to listen to your minor concerns (or major ones) anytime. (Not sure if you noticed it in the verbose nom, but the comment about age was a nod to you - you were robbed). Thanks again.    7   talk Δ |   15:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No major concerns, don't worry. :) I found this a bit odd, but again, not a huge issue. Good luck with the RfA! –Juliancolton | Talk 15:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember that one. I believe, at the time, it really looked like stealthy advertising. Multiple links all to the same site, all of which will sell you the item in question, didn't feel like a reliable source. Refs are much better now. Thanks again for the feedback.    7   talk Δ |   15:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

New Jersey Route 57

Thanks for making the one fix in the GA review of New Jersey Route 57! I would have gotten to it though. Dough4872 (talk) 15:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No problem, glad to help. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for granting me rollback rights! ManishEarthTalkStalk 15:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Editing? But I'm on holiday! :( — neuro(talk) 17:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding yourself to SuggestBot's regulars page, eh? You can't be like me and get 'cool (aesthetic)' as a reccommended page. It just won't happen. You're just not post modern enough. — neuro(talk) 17:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
You're just jealous. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
(Comment from talk page stalker) Hey Neuro, I hope the holiday is going great for you, and I'm looking forward to your return to active editing. Oh, and by the way... *shoots* :P
And BTW Julian, may I ask, if it's no trouble of course, when you will be ready to reply to this and this? If you can't right now, then that's just fine, but I've been looking forward to your replies all morning, and I'm beginning to get a little... distressed, so to speak. Best to you both, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 17:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Holiday is going fine except for the vomiting, thanks Dylan. Trust foreign places to not understand what a 'fatal nut allergy' is. :) — neuro(talk) 17:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exotic Magazine

I really hope you can close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exotic Magazine. I've asked two admins now (see here and here) and neither have been able to close it.

I think it would be beneficial if Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Exotic Magazine was closed. The discussion has been relisted once and the result is clear, but the debate over whether the article should have been speedy deleted is getting very contentious. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 17:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Normally I'd allow the relist to run its course, but you're correct in that recent discussion doesn't appear to be productive. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:52, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for closing this discussion! Cunard (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Yoda's album...

Man, you deleted it. Fair enough, although I've been working a bit on the notability of Yoda himself, and therefore the notability of his works. That album is one of my favourites....! There are at least two more albums of his that probably fit the same bill, by the way, so it'd probably be a good idea to see those through AFD too. Hope all is well with you! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Much as I dislike deleting stuff, consensus was quite clear in that case. I'll investigate the other two albums to see if an AfD is necessary.

On another note, it's good to see you've returned to cratting, though I must say the surrounding drama was disappointing to say the least. –Juliancolton | Talk 23:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Yoda has a couple of albums here that may fall into the same category. It's a shame, I love 'em all! Oh well. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your kind words, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Mind Brain and Education

Hi Juliancolton,

I was just looking to create an article on exactly this topic and saw that there was one that was recently deleted [6]. I missed the deletion review, as I had never seen the article before I went looking to create it! As you were the closing admin, I'd like to find out if there is some way to reinstate the article, or at the very least, copy the content to a sandbox associated with my user page, so that I can work on improving and referencing whatever good content there is in the main article. I have no idea what the state of the deleted article was like, but I know that this is a valid, verifiable concept that can be backed up with reliable sources.

First, the term itself, "Mind Brain and Education" (MBE) was coined by Kurt Fischer of the Harvard Graduate School of Education, and he is the director of the Harvard GSE program of the same name [7]. Additionally, Kurt Fischer and others recently formed an international society, the International Mind Brain Education Society [8] to bring together researchers in this area, and they have, accordingly created a journal [9] published by Wiley Science [10] by the same name. In the first issue of the new journal, Fischer and the other editors ask the question “Why Mind, Brain, and Education? Why Now?” [11] see also Fischer’s presentation at the first IMBE conference [12]

However, my inclination would not be to recreate the MBE page as is, but rather to use whatever is good there to create a proper entry on Educational neuroscience which is a slightly more neutral name for this emerging discipline that brings together researchers in Cognitive neuroscience, Developmental cognitive neuroscience, Educational psychology, Educational technology, Education theory and other related disciplines. If I had created the article myself, I would have called it "Educational neuroscience" from the start to reflect the term that we use in my laboratory, but MBE is one of the recognized terms for this enterprise. Other researchers, such as Laura-Ann Petitto also refer to their work as Educational neuroscience, and even claim that it is "The New Revolution" [13]. Another term that is also used to refer to this same enterprise is "Brain, Neurosciences and Education" [14] which is a special interest group of the American Educational Research Association (AERA; [15]) which included a 2005 panel discussion on Educational neuroscience, where they use that name [16]

This emerging field has also received a certain amount of attention in the mainstream press, including, for example, this article in Newsweek by Sharon Begley [17] where she talks about the field of educational neuroscience, references the new journal (IMBES Journal) indirectly, and as you will note in Fischer’s presentation, he explicitly thanks Begley for her “Chutes and Ladders” article.

John Bruer, who is the head of the James S. McDonnell Foundation, which funds research into human cognition and neuroscience [18] published an early article that criticized some of the excesses of early claims in Educational neuroscience [19], but also noted that, via the bridge of Cognitive science it was possible to build bridges between neuroscience, cognition and education. This theme has more recently been taken up by other researchers, like Daniel Ansari at the University of Western Ontario and Donna Coch of Dartmouth University [20] [21], and has even been systematized, to a certain extent, by neuroscientists both in articles for their professional peers [22] [23] [24] [25] [26] and in book form [27] [28] (I know Amazon links are non-preferred, I’m just gathering links and data for you). Usha Goswami, at Cambridge University has similarly created a Centre for Neuroscience in Education [29] which focuses on similar issues. As you can see, there are many people who are working to create this field, but it’s so new that we can’t even quite agree on what to call it yet!

So, my idea is that I would take whatever is good and useful from the deleted MBE article (if anything), work on it in a sandbox off my user page, to create a properly referenced and verifiable article based on the above sources and references, which I would then place at Educational neuroscience, which I think is the most neutral term, and then redirect the MBE page to that one.

Does this sound reasonable? Does this sound like a reasonable request for semi-undeletion?

Best wishes, Edhubbard (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Certainly; I've moved the deleted content into User:Edhubbard/Mind Brain and Education. Once you feel you've satisfied the concerns raised at the deletion discussion, you can initiate a discussion at WP:DRV to determine if others agree. Hope this helps, –Juliancolton | Talk 02:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
It's even worse than I feared. I really might get nothing out of this. I know Looie's edits, and I should have gone with his judgment that there was nothing to save here right from the start. :-) Thanks, Edhubbard (talk) 02:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)



You just "stubbified" some work I was doing to update an out of date page on UKFast. I am the MD and I have not in any way done anything improper. Can you tell me what you have done and why please?

Thank you

Lawrence Jones —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lawrence N Jones (talkcontribs) 16:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I have answered a similar question on his talk page with pointers to OWN, COI, BFAQ etc. JohnCD (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


I'm getting articles going for all the Van Rensselaers that were patroons but at least a few of them were named Kiliaen or Jeremias, and none of them have suffixes (i.e. Jr, II, III...). How do I distinguish them in article names, especially since some of them have no known birth or death dates? Would Kiliaen van Rensselaer (fourth patroon of Rensselaerswyck) be prudent (and if that's the case, should the first one get a rename to conform to that system?) Seems too much, but it may be the only way... Let me know what you think. (Admittedly this is copy+pasted from Daniel Case's talk, but the more the merrier.) wadester16 21:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that suggested title would work. I can't think of anything better. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Gracias. wadester16 02:13, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Discussion on my talk

There's a discussion on my talk page about an intricate situation that I don't consider capable of handling myself. Could you please help, if it's no trouble? Thanks, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 23:32, 15 August 2009 (UTC)


Information.svg Hi, Juliancolton! You are invited to participate in the Great Wikipedia Dramaonly, an effort to end arguments and discussions, and fight vandalism! It is intended to stop discussions from interfering everyone's work in the article namespace. Please sign up here! Kayau Wuthering Heights VANITY FAIR paradise lost 10:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 00:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


I contacted you a couple of months back about persistent on-going vandalism of the Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds page by Int3rnaut. I have just reverted a new attack on the page by this user. Would appreciate any advice/help you can offer. Thanks :) Eliahna (talk) 11:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

If the user is persistently vandalizing, you should file a report at WP:AIV or perhaps WP:RFPP. Sorry for the brief response, I have to run out in a second. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


Halfstar.png The Half Barnstar
To you and Ottava Rima to your dedicated work on getting articles related to Sonnets on Eminent Characters to DYK; I shipped the hook off to a prep area last night. Great job! --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 12:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Heh, Ottava deserves most of the credit; I just wrote some of the leads and did a bit of copyediting. Thanks nonetheless. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 15:31, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup Newsletter XXVIII

Delivered by –Juliancolton | Talk at 15:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiCup newsletter

Only to note that when you posted it to Durova's talk page, the heading was indented and therefore didn't work properly. Hopefully that didn't happen on anyone else's, but I thought I'd check. Cheers, - Jarry1250 [ In the UK? Sign the petition! ] 15:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, odd. That happened for the first few deliveries, but it should be fixed now. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

My rollback rights

Can you temporarily remove my rollback rights due to my mistakes in reading my watchlist? I'm actually using my iPod to view my watchlist and I'm not editing much for the time being. Thanks. Darren23 (Contribs) 16:17, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I have gone and done this for you Darren. You can ask me or Julian anytime if you want them reinstated. Chillum 16:20, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Hey, I've answered the initial questions you posted here, just give me a buzz when you've got a chance to look over them :) -- Cabe6403 (TalkSign) 20:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian. I've waited about 2 days after posting my reply at my coaching page. Just checking up to see if you're ready to give me some more advanced unblocking exercises, but if you're not ready quite yet then that's perfectly OK. Once we're done with this lesson, can we do dispute resolution as the next lesson? Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 23:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


Hello, Juliancolton, I don't remember if we've corresponded before. I've been on vacation for several weeks, but I noticed something odd on my watchlist about an edit you made regarding my account on this page, which reads like Greek to me: 21:55, August 15, 2009 Juliancolton (talk | contribs) changed rights for User:Yllosubmarine from (none) to Autoreviewers ‎ (trusted). Could you explain what this means? I would appreciate it, as I've no clue what exactly I've been entrusted with. María (habla conmigo) 00:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey there Maria; I saw this on my watchlist, and I figured I would jump in. WP:Autoreviewer has the full information, but the short version is: The autoreviewer usergroup automatically patrols your new pages, which means that new page patrollers do not have to waste time going over your stellar new articles. Hope that helps, NW (Talk) 00:19, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Huh. Well, that's handy. Hopefully it will save me future aggravation! Thanks, NW -- and also JC, of course. FWIW, it may help to alert new members of the elite when you reward them so. ;) María (habla conmigo) 00:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Al Katawazi speedy delete nom declined

Okay, that's fine. When I got to the article, it was a lot sketchier than it is now, and had it been in the shape it is now, I wouldn't have nommed it. One note: I believe there's a conflict of interest with the author, User:AKatawazi, but you're probably the wrong person to bring this up with. Okay; thanks! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 03:35, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, I started an AfD discussion here so we can further evaluate the article. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Help for the newbie ... (you deleted my bio)


I am new to this, but I wanted to add my bio. There are already 3 other Jeffrey Brown's so I added a disambiguation link, and then simply added a new page with my bio. Before I could even go back and format it, you deleted it! You reason was copyright infringement. I find that odd since it is my personal bio, and I have never copyrighted it! I included the link to my webpage from which the information came.

Can you please restore it?

Brownjandl (talk) 04:03, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, but information copy and pasted from an external site is presumed to be in violation of copyright policies; you can, however, confirm through the OTRS system that you are indeed the creator of the original material. That said, please avoid editing articles about yourself; if you are sufficiently notable, someone will inevitably ensure your article is recreated in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. –Juliancolton | Talk 04:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Never mind ...

I see now that auto-bios are strongly discouraged, that Wiki copyrights its material, etc. So go ahead and delete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brownjandl (talkcontribs) 04:14, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Sonnets on Eminent Characters

Updated DYK query On August 8, 2009, Did you know? was updated with facts from the articles Sonnets on Eminent Characters "To Erskine", "To Burke", "To Priestley", "To Fayette", "To Kosciusko", "To Pitt", "To Bowles", "To Mrs Siddons", "To Godwin", "To Southey", "To Sheridan", and "To Lord Stanhope", which you created or substantially expanded.

King of ♠ 14:17, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Requesting A Copyedit

Severe weather, the core article on the Severe weather wikipedia project, is currently in need of a copyedit. Most of the important topics have being covered and we just required a few corrections on copyediting for completion. I though you may help out since you have done copyediting before, and this is a meteorology-related article, which happens to be in your field of interest. Please do help out, if you can. Thanks. KnowledgeRequire (talk) 18:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll try to get to it tonight. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, here are a few sections on the article that you may want to pay attention to:
  • 1
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  • 3 (Second paragraph)
  • 4
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  • 6
Thanks. KnowledgeRequire (talk) 19:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

your opinion please...

Thanks for userifying Abdul_Basit_(terrorist_suspect). It has been expanded.

Do you think the changes made sufficiently address the concerns raised in the {{afd}} to merit being moved back to article space?

Thanks! Geo Swan (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it certainly does look better. I think your best bet would be to start a discussion at DRV to see if other editors agree with recreation. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:37, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey Julian

How do you make a redirect page. Ricky3374 (talk) 16:18, 17 August 2009

(Comment from talk page stalker) All the info on redirects can be found at Help:Redirect, but the process of creating one is actually very simple: just create the title you want, and create it with the content #REDIRECT [[PAGENAME]] (replace "PAGENAME" with the name of the page you want the title to redirect to. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 20:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The 50 DYK medal

Dyk50.png The 50 DYK Medal   
Just went to WP:DYKLIST to check, and the above batch of DYK's seems to have pushed you past the 50-DYK mark. Well done, sir. --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 20:29, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Ottava Rima deserves most of the credit for the above DYKs, however. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 01:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Small favor requested

Corruptcopper (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

I revoked their rollback privileges today after seeing a number of actions using huggle that were not appropriate (See this talk page post for some examples). I did so without having a conversation with him first because a large percentage of his recent reverts were inappropriate and he was still logged in through huggle. I was wondering if you could review this action, reverse it if necessary and leave him a friendly note that ROLLBACK is easy-come, easy go? I would do it, but I know how it feels when an intervening admin switches to 'buddy mode'. I saw he came to you asking about admin coaching, so I figured you might be a good choice to offer a way forward. Thanks. Protonk (talk) 22:20, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

I think you were correct in revoking rollback here. I'll keep an eye on it. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion Review: LUPICIA

Please reconsider this. After four weeks, a single editor voted to keep it promising to add to the article, and a week later they still hadn't, which leaves their statements that it is notable unproven. Numberically, (three to 1, 25% keep vote), by comment (no comments correct the deletion criteria of sourcing or adstyle writing) or time (if this was re-prodded, it would be gone, the original author has not re-appeard after writing this single article). All of these are deletion criteria, not "no concensus". This was pretty clear, IMHO. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)

Numbers mean very little when it comes to judging consensus. If one editor asserts that the topic at hand is notable, then those arguing to the contrary should further explain their position. Yes, you're correct in that CoM didn't follow-up, but that doesn't render his opinion useless; also, as I noted in the closing summary, relisting the AfD for a fourth time would have been a bit silly. So the best course of action would be to wait a while, ping the editors who participated in the discussion to see if a legitimate article can be made, and if all else fails, file another AfD. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)


Could you please take a look at the argument at my talk p.. DGG ( talk ) 07:31, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Bogdanov Affair GAN

Hi again Julian, hope you're doing well. Just thought I'd mention that I closed this GAN as unsuccessful. It was only while doing so that I noticed WP:GAN says 'on hold' should only last seven days - which I exceeded by quite a bit - but from looking at other reviews I get the impression that's a fairly flexible deadline. If not feel free to report me to the cabal for reeducation.

Anyway, thanks again for agreeing to help. It's amazing how much easier it makes things just knowing that you've got a safety net to fall back on! I may bug you again when I get the time to tackle another review. Olaf Davis (talk) 14:21, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Yeah, the seven-day "limit" is more of a recommendation, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Feel free to ask for help anytime. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 14:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Ghouls and Ghosts AFD

You didn't delete Super Ghouls 'N Ghosts 1-2 which is the second article in the AFD. Joe Chill (talk) 01:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

@icon sushi review

Hi, I was wondering if you could clarify why the @icon sushi article was deleted. Most of the votes were indeed "delete" votes, however the article has been significantly improved and sourced during the AFD, and I got the impression that it hasn't been taken into consideration. For instance, it's not clear (at least to me) why the ZDNet, Softonic or Windows Magazine reviews do not establish notability, and none of the "delete" votes discuss these sources properly. I've slightly expanded the article since the deletion, so if you could take another look at it and perhaps consider if it could be undeleted, I would appreciate. The latest version is on Hm2k user page. Thanks! Laurent (talk) 13:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, the article had significantly changed since it was nominated for deletion, but that doesn't render notability concerns void. While some of the delete 'votes' may have not discussed the details in-depth, consensus was still on the side of deletion. If/when User:Hm2k/@icon_sushi is brought up to standard, you can start a discussion at WP:DRV to see if other editors agree with recreation. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Pierre Picault

Hi. Can you please explain to me how you came to the decision that Pierre Picault now and the article that was deleted are not essentially the same? The old version he was alive, in this version he is dead - there is, however, the exact same amount of sources: one with two sentences of material on the individual. More importantly, however, the issues discussed in the deletion discussion have not at all been met. Thank you and Cheers, CP 15:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

It was the same subject, yes, but as I understand it the content needs to be nearly identical to the previous version in order to meet the G4 criteria. It looked like the content was substantially different, and in any case, it can't hurt to review it again at AfD. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely ridiculous. I'm not going to waste everyone's time for 10 days on an article that's already been through the deletion process and has been recreated with no attempt to address the original reasons that it was deleted unless it's absolutely necessary. I'm going to bring this up at WP:ANI instead first... I will link you to the discussion when it is complete. Cheers, CP 17:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Very well then. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's a link to the discussion. Cheers, CP 17:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Move request

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/IWGP World Tag Team ChampionshipWikipedia:Featured list candidates/IWGP World Tag Team Championship/archive1 (no redirect, as usual). Thanks as always, Dabomb87 (talk) 16:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

 DoneJuliancolton | Talk 16:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Also, Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/IWGP Tag Team Championship/archive2 needs to be speedied. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 17:33, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Deleted Contributions

Could you look over and check this guy's deleted contributions? Sorry for bothering you and interrupting you *cough* meeting *cough*. It's for WP:CHU. :P Cheers, I'mperator 22:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

He wrote Afghanistan Stock Exchange, among a few other spammy financial/business articles. Is that what you were looking for? –Juliancolton | Talk 22:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah. Could you provide the contents of the article, just to make sure? You don't have to keep it on your talk page. Cheers, I'mperator 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

22 Edits

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Rollback supposed to be no big deal? I can add Twinkle with the ease of a checkbox through Special:Preferences. Why is Rollback any more special than that? Just a little curious... Barista Girl (talk) 01:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Rollback is actually a rather powerful tool, capable of doing quite a bit of extensive, albeit reversible, damage. While I don't doubt your intentions, 22 edits is simply not enough to judge whether or not I can fully trust you with the tool. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
To add to what Juliancolton has said. Rollback also allows the use of WP:Huggle, which is much faster than Twinkle, and is easily abused. I mean no offence to you, but a bad faith user could stack up 22 seemingly good edits, and if we than granted them rollback, they could cause mayhem by abusing Huggle, or by simply using rollback on it's own (rollback is faster than Twinkle. However, hang around for a month or so, keep up what you are doing, and you should become better at it, and in a month you will likely get rollback at request. I'd be happy to help you, so feel free to use my talk page as a Q&A :D. Or you can use the help desk. Best, - Kingpin13 (talk) 01:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Mmkay. No offense at all, just a little curious. :) Barista Girl (talk) 02:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with BG, there's way too much hype made about rollback. I think Huggle and Twinkle are more dangerous. Rollback only makes rv a bit faster. RlevseTalk 02:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Huggle is more powerful than rollback by itself, but Huggle requires rollback in order to work. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Pbjmanagement09

Sorry I stepped on your toes on this one. PBJ Management in the UK [30] have Julian Barratt as a client, so it seemed an obvious promo/role/COI account. I missed that you were discussing it with them. --Stephen 01:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem, I just tend to be a bit conservative when it comes to spamusernameblocks. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:18, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

"Prod contested after deletion"

I have no idea what that means - was it proper? Could you take a look? [31]- Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 03:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for your participation in my recent RfA. I will do my very best not to betray the confidence you have shown me. If you ever have any questions or suggestions about my conduct as an administrator or as an editor please don't hesitate to contact me. Once again, thanks. ·Maunus·ƛ· 04:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

For putting the Wabagami article in my userspace. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian. I've been considering asking you lately, so I'd like to do so; do you think I'm ready for an RfA yet? I ask because I feel like I could do a good job, and because my family has been rooting for me. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 19:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it's your call. I personally think you could benefit from additional experience; remember, it's only been about seven months since that ANI thread. You'd be better off waiting until the end of this year or the beginning of next year in my opinion. Sound reasonable? –Juliancolton | Talk 19:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm willing to wait – you do know best, after all. :) I'll check back 'round November/December at earliest. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 19:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Dylan, you still have a lack of audited content. Please, before you run, work on some articles, and bring at least one to GA status. People like knowing you understand that content is Wikipedia's greatest feat, not its workings. ceranthor 19:34, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
He got a FL, 2 DYK and one B. While it might not seem much, it's more than I had when I ran (and it's more than I have now). So I think he is good in that area. I would be more worried that his userpage will strike people as a bit infantile... Regards SoWhy 19:45, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Thankfully that is a quick fix away, though. :) — neuro(talk) 19:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
RfA seems to like its candidates in two flavours: niche candidates, and audited content writers. — neuro(talk) 19:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it does. Although our most productive GA/FA-writers shouldn't be wasting their time too much with maintenance deletion/blocking. Thankfully, the RfA process only asks for 1 GA (or multiple DYKs, some nice B-class articles), usually, or exemplary work elsewhere such as bot-writing. JamieS93 be kind to newcomers 19:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
So... does good article reviewing count? Vicenarian (Said · Done) 19:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Obviously it isn't rigid, but from my time at RfA I would say no, it doesn't, unless you do it enough to fall into the 'niche candidate' column. — neuro(talk) 19:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Given all these criteria I'm still not sure how I managed to pass as easily as I did, given my lack of any particular specialty or any audited content contributions. :)~ mazca talk 20:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Dito.[32] I wasn't niche when I ran, even though I'm probably today.
Looking back, I'll give Dylan620 the same advice I give everyone: Wait longer than you have to, and an RfA can be pretty relaxed.
Cheers, Amalthea 20:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
1.^ Which is to say that it isn't true: There are many roads that lead to Rome.
To answer Dylan's original question though, I agree with Julian - I think the most likely sticking point is going to be time-proximity to the ANI thread and your ill-advised early behaviour. I'm happy that you're pretty much ready now, but I suspect the community might be a bit pickier - end of the year sounds about right to me. ~ mazca talk 20:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
No GAR can actually hurt you... take a look at my RfA and LaraLove's RfA. Although that segment of the community has been pretty quite since then. GAR can only help if you can show that you aren't just reviewing but making substanitive edits to the articles in question.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 21:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
True, though anything can hurt you if you abuse it enough... –Juliancolton | Talk 21:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

←You'll have my support when you do run... unless you go crazy between now and then. Vicenarian (Said · Done) 20:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Well, there is the ever elusive third category -- the one where everyone likes you ;) — neuro(talk) 20:06, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
TINC, TINC! :O JamieS93 be kind to newcomers 20:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
You turn your back for one second and a friendly message on your coach's talk page explodes into an editor review! Anyway, here are my replies:
  • @ SoWhy: I've fixed up my userpage, so I don't think it looks "infantile" anymore. Anyway, I do plan on taking Ceranthor's advice by racking up a GA.
  • @ Vicenarian: Thanks buddy, looking forward to your next crack at RfA as well. :)
  • @ Jamie: The cabal will never die!!! :P --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 21:40, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Jamie, there is no cabal!? Do you see the lot of editors that ran over here when an "interesting" topic came up? iMatthew talk at 21:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I thought that there was a meeting. Oh well. <nonchalantly leaves> →javért chat 21:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I'm two for two! :) What article are you going to work on, Dylan? And you can call me Ceran, everyone else does. Just wait until they find out my real nickname... ceranthor 01:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Howdy, Ceran. :D I'm *hoping* to work on either "Too Bad," "Scarlet Letters," "Up All Night," or "What If." It would be a lot easier if not for my tendency to drift from article writing right back to my usual work (which presently entails of DYK reviewing and helping to keep the backlog at Schutz's tool empty). FWIW, I also plan on gaining at least two more featured lists (currently I have my eyes set on Shinedown discography and Timeline of the 1993 Atlantic hurricane season); I'm not going to say I plan on becoming a content beast before submitting myself to RfA, but I do plan on achieving something.
Meanwhile, with regards to my "tendency" which I pointed out in this post, does anyone have any ideas as to how I could get rid of it so I am able to efficiently focus on article building? (Sorry if my typing is somewhat poor, I'm up at 11:00 p.m. at night.) Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 03:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, it's when you find yourself up at 11 pm in the morning that you know you need a break!
Something I find really helpful is to set easily measured goals in terms of how long I spend on a given task. If I say "today I'll do as much work on X as possible" it's easy to slip - after all, who's to say that those ten minutes I managed weren't all that was possible? But if I set a specific goal like "I will spend at least 1 hour a day on X" (or an hour every day I edit significantly, or whatever) I actually feel like I have something to aim for, and that helps no end in keeping me focused. I can also look back and say "this week I did four good days" instead of just having the vague feeling that I didn't do as much as I could have.
Of course that be entirely unhelpful for you, but it works for me! Good luck! Olaf Davis (talk) 10:45, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I'll try to spend one hour today taking notes on Google News results for "Too Bad." Thanks for the advice! --Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 15:54, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Reply and a request

I'll take a look at Bob in a bit. Can you replace the en dash template in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/August 22, 2009 with a normal dash? The spacing is wrong. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 19:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and done. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit request

Care to copyedit this article for me: Map of Rensselaerswyck? And possibly assess it as well? wadester16 00:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll get to it later tonight. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Think there's any chance of going for GA on that? Or will the "depending on one source" kill me? (which, by the way, is most likely the only source to go so in depth on the map). wadester16 00:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Mean Person

Why did you block me? You hurt my feelings. (Hurricaneguy (talk) 00:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC))

For disruption. And if you continue edit warring on Jason Rees' talk page, I'll block you again, for a longer duration. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:32, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk page stalkers' feedback requested

I just created User:Juliancolton/Recall. Any comments/suggestions? Also, I need a third clerk - any volunteers? –Juliancolton | Talk 04:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. :-) I would volunteer, except you probably have someone better in mind. ;-) →javért breakaway 05:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I would be a bit more specific about the meaning of "recently blocked", but otherwise it looks pretty clear to me. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 05:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Does the clerk have ultimate decision over whether an admin is in 'good standing'? You might want to make that explicit. Olaf Davis (talk) 09:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd be happy to clerk for you, I'd also be happy not to :D. Also, ditto Olaf Davis, you could be more specific about "good standing". Also, you should allow users who have been blocked by you to start the recall process, in my opinion, and you could also be more specific about "recent". Best, - Kingpin13 (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Imho, instead of having five admins in "good standing" (which is a pretty subjective attribute) to decide whether you should be recalled, you should rather choose to undergo a reconfirmation RFA if 5 users eligible to initiate the request are asking you to do it. That way you will not set an arbitrary bar for people to initiate the process (because whether someone is an admin or not is quite irrelevant) and would be able to allow the whole community to judge whether they still trust you with the tools. This way, you will avoid abuse of the system while still having the most efficient way to determine community consensus on the issue. And you would not need clerks which is a good thing because clerks you choose can easily be denounced as being biased, thus allowing the criticizing users to attack your process even if they are completely neutral. The fact that you chose them will taint their neutrality for some people. Regards SoWhy 09:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
There is a stray apostrophe in "two months'", agree with previous comments that you need clarify "good standing" for admins and provide a specific time period (cooling off) for "recently blocked". Or should it be based on "recently unblocked" I also wonder if there should be any restrictions on whether it can be filed by someone who you specifically blocked. To put my first question last: why do you want to offer this?    7   talk Δ |   10:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
"Two months' experience" is standard useage of the possessive apostrophe - it means "experience of two months". See "Time, money, and similar" in apostrophe. Also while I'm here, how about clarifying whether the 'experience' begins at account creation or first edit? Again that's the kind of nitpicking it'd be easier not to have to deal with if this ever did come up. Olaf Davis (talk) 12:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks all. I've made some of the suggested tweaks, and I'll consider implementing SoWhy's suggested process. @7: I feel admins should be accountable for their actions. Sysops should ideally be trusted by the community, and if they lack that trust, it becomes difficult or impossible to interact properly with the community. Hopefully I won't have to use it though. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 15:20, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, Julian, might I suggest a clerk? ceranthor 16:23, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Of course. Who do you have in mind? –Juliancolton | Talk 16:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, this just popped into my head, but HH. ceranthor 16:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately he's retired. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Exactly my point :), anyway, I'll have to think. I wouldn't be a good clerk because, in all honesty, I'd forget I was your clerk until reminded, among other reasons. ceranthor 16:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) returning to the question of why... I agree that everyone should be accountable, including anon+registered editors, admins, crats, etc... just wondering why this is necessary on top of the other review mechanisms that are already in place for conduct of members and admins (a la ANI).    7   talk Δ |   02:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, ANI/RfC/ArbCom tend to generate heaps of totally unnecessary drama, so that's what I'm trying to avoid. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for @icon sushi

An editor has asked for a deletion review of @icon sushi. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Laurent (talk) 13:53, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


Good luck with Hurricane Bob, that FAC looks like on of the older ones I should stay away from. On another note, would you mind leaving comments on this article? If not, just reply here, I have your talk watchlisted. ceranthor 17:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

My talk

Thank you for your advice; it was very helpful. Maybe we could do a joint effort on a strong fish storm (like Guillermo) as a start? And as a question, may I please nominate Hurricane Bill (2009) at DYK? It meets the criteria, plus I find the info about the British rower particularly interesting material for a hook. While I realize that nominating articles you didn't create is perfectly OK, I would prefer to only do it with the permission of the creator. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 18:43, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep (to both). –Juliancolton | Talk 19:00, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Bill is now at DYK; I'll get started on Guillermo tonight, and I'll let you know once I've gotten started. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 19:17, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Edward Cullen

Hi! Just a reminder that when you close a move discussion, remember to remove the {{movereq}} tag as well, so that the bot delists the page from WP:RM. You probably forgot to do that here. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 19:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. Thanks for the fix. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

"They have not been blocked"

In your recall criteria, maybe say "They have not been subject to a block within the past two months"? Someone might interpret "They have not been blocked within the past two months" to mean that it's okay if their main account is still blocked now, as long as the block was imposed more than two months ago. (Watching) - Dank (push to talk) 20:06, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, done. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Hurricane Bob

I've got a fair amount on this one for you (just happened to notice the FAC). I'm finding, though, that some of what I'm seeing seems to contradict what's already in the articles, and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Anyway, as the FAC is a bit old, there may not be time to get all the new stuff into the article. Anyway, I've emailed you some of the better materials, and I may pop in and make some edits myself, time permitting. Cool3 (talk) 21:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll work on adding in that info. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Compare Free Credit Report and Score Websites

Hi, when you closed this AfD, apparently whatever script you were using did not take the subsequent move into account. So the results template was added to the wrong talk page & the AfD template was not removed. I've fixed those, but thought that you might want to know. BTW, is it inappropriate for I to do those changes, since I participated in the AfD discussion? Tim Song (talk) 03:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Nope, that's fine. Thanks for the fixes! –Juliancolton | Talk 03:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Please take a look at this

Responding to several comments over at the NOT talk page, based on the idea of "unencyclopedic" content, including yours, I put up a new section, Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#The reason why the "unencyclopedic" argument just doesn't fly on that talk page. Much of the "unencyclopedic" argument is a pet peeve of mine. It's a bit of a tangent to the main discussion, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on it. Thanks, Noroton (talk) 19:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Checking...Juliancolton | Talk 19:44, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Hurricane Bob (1985)

Was promoted, but I still have a couple things to say: [33]. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 20:06, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for letting me know. Best, —Anonymous DissidentTalk 23:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Semi protect Caster Semenya

Can you SP it? I messed up the template on RPP, but I saw that you do that kind of thing there. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:20, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure,  Done. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Glad to help. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 03:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


I'm going to wait until the TCR comes out before getting started. Cheers, Dylan620 (contribs, logs)help us! 12:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian, can we continue? Cheers, iMatthew talk at 15:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Doppler radar in Becky (1970)?

I left a note on the talk page, but was curious about the inclusion of doppler radar within the Becky article. Was a research doppler radar used in connection with Becky? The deployment of the doppler network didn't occur until the early 1990s. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the quick response. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)


Are you still active in my coaching, or are you preparing something for me? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Your note

Hello Julian, my post here is somewhat self-explanatory of my concerns. The background is the 2005 schools debate and who was involved in the "keep" side -- it was about whether every school should have an article, and for reasons I never understood there were very strong feelings on either side. In fact, the debate was one of the things that sparked the creation of Wikitruth.

Jake's first and only edit in 2005 was a school stub, an innocent edit in any other year, but a politically significant one in 2005. Then look at Jake's second edit almost a year later in 2006, which was to vote keep in an AfD along with other members of the keep side of the schools debate, two of whom have since been desysopped. I believe there is a link there. Plus no further edits until December 2008, at which point he becomes an extremely helpful vandal and sock fighter, practically destined for adminship.

The best thing would be for Jake to remember the IP address he said he used to edit with. That could clear up any suspicion, for which I'll be more than happy to apologize unreservedly if I turn out to be wrong. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 01:44, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity...

...what are you looking for when you give editors rollback? I just happened upon User:DivineAlpha, who seems to be doing very good work, but you granted them rollback after only a couple of hundred edits. No criticism here, just wondering. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:38, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

See User:Juliancolton/Rollback policy. Though it is a powerful tool, I'll give it to anybody who looks like they know what they're doing, and has adequate experience. After all, if abused the tool can be easily removed. Hope that answers your question satisfactorily. Cheers. –Juliancolton | Talk 03:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. It's nice of you to have your criteria spelled out. Take it easy, Drmies (talk) 04:04, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Jeffrey Leiser

Hello - why did you delete the Jeffrey Leiser page of which I contributed information? Are there not enough links online already to establish notability? Google: Jeffrey Leiser and you will find pages of evidence. Please be fair as I spent a lot of time contributing to this article. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey Leiser; I was acting in accordance with consensus at that particular discussion. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:14, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


Hello I am new to Wikipedia. I was wondering how to use banners such as the one that says you are tracking the 2009 Atlantic hurricane season. What is a good resource to use? I have copy and pasted many things from other people's pages to make mine. (Tropical Cyclone K (talk) 20:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC))


Hello! Ravenloft (module) has been nominated for FAC again. As you commented in one or both of the previous FAC discussions, I'm inviting you to have another look. Thanks! BOZ (talk) 22:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedia SignpostWikipedia Signpost: 24 August 2009

Delivered by SoxBot (talk) at 05:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Celebrity Big Brother (UK) housemates

Hey. Thanks for helping on the FLC page - I VERY much appreciate it! All your concerns have been addressed. DJ 17:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for getting to that so quickly. I've struck out my comments for now, and I'll revisit in a few days. Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 19:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
OK. Thanks again. Dale is supporting Lisa Wallace to win Big Brother 2009 13:38, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Please Review

I can't seem to figure out how to get a page open for peer review, but before doing that I was hoping you could take a minute to critique my article. It's in my user space now at: Any suggestions on how to make this a better article and able to be moved to the actual site would be helpful. Thanks, Rpelton (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Magic City Memoirs

Julian Colton,

Why was the Magic City Memoirs page deleted? I am the writer and producer of the movie, and I updated the page.

Please advise.

Thank you.

Jaydeph (talk) 17:47, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Jaydee Freixas

Hi. Basically, the page was deleted because it had been proposed for removal via the WP:PROD process. Therefore, if you wish to contest the deletion, I'm able to restore it. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Track+ page

Hi Julian,

I like to ask you to roll back the deletion of the Track+ page. I was the original author, and I am also currently involved in the development of the software.

I can try to rewrite the article in a more neutral fashion, and I can try to find some users to develop the article further. If you have any hints or requests, I will be glad to honor them.

Track+ is available as an open source version on Sourceforge, and an extended commercial version. It has between 5000 and 8000 downloads with each new version. It is under active development and I think it deserves some attention.

In case of further questions you can reach me at jf123 at emron dot de.


Joerg (talk) 18:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The page was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Track+, which ended with consensus to delete the article. If you feel this action is in error, you may initiate a discussion at WP:DRV. Alternatively, if you create an account and I could restore a copy of the deleted content into your userspace, to allow for you to address the concerns raised during the deletion discussion. Hope this helps, –Juliancolton | Talk 20:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Images on User:WebHamster

Thank you for commenting on my talk page. While I agree that Wikipedia should remain "not censored", I believe images of child pornography should not be tolerated on individuals user pages. Zhebius (talk) 04:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ice Hockey in Mali

The time has come. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Might be best to let that run the full seven days, but considering that I can't see any outcome other than "delete", it might qualify for SNOW... –Juliancolton | Talk 04:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay. No worries. From the other editor's comment I thought maybe the 7 days had already lapsed (I didn't look). Some of the AfD comments are I think meant in jest and could be misinterpreted, but I can't imagine any other outcome than delete. Anyway, party on. Thanks for checking on it for me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


Julian, don't remove Category:National Historic Landmarks in New York from those articles you removed it from ... that's not the same as Category:National Register of Historic Places in New York and it needs to remain in articles when you diffuse that latter cat to a county cat. Daniel Case (talk) 06:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I was trying to avoid that one, but I must have accidentally clicked the wrong button a few times. How many times did that happen? –Juliancolton | Talk 14:52, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Interpreting move discussion

As three of the four commenters are actually in favor of a move, and seem to just need to come to an agreement on a new title, I'm going to re-open this discussion without the requested move template, and post a message that the discussion should focus on what the new title should be. Just letting you know. Thanks. Equazcion (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Chauncey Leopardi

  • Thanks for your assessment of the above article (in reference to my nomination for its speedy deletion). I'll respect your judgement, but I would like to see someone do a proper job of the article, rather than leaving it in its decrepit state. With this in mind, I might take it upon myself to improve and expand the article at a later time. bwmcmaste (talk) 19:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, if the AfD is closed as keep, I'll be happy to work on expanding/referencing the article. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

What you suggest

Dear what you suggest should be done with Dil Jan Khan if one seeks to nominate it for deletion, if you think the Deletion revies is not a proper thing to go for? Please, advice, help and guide me to the procedure you suggets. Warm regards, --LineofWisdom (talk) 20:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think it can simply be re-nominated at any time, without the need for an endorsement from DRV. –Juliancolton | Talk 20:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
How could I nominate it now, as once I have nominated it for review? Wouldn't it be a vandalism, if I remove the Deletion Review tag from there? -- 20:33, 26 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by LineofWisdom (talkcontribs)
I have, just now, renominated the article for deletion. Please check, wether the article is correctly, re-nominated or not? It would be appreciated if you could correct anything which needs a correction. Regards, --LineofWisdom (talk) 20:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Ted Kennedy ITN

Just noting for the record that my addition of Ted Kennedy's death at ITN got reverted immediately, and yours stuck. :) There's a moral there somewhere, but I'm not sure what it is. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, by the time I had re-posted the entry, consensus at WP:ITN/C was growing increasingly clear, and it's hard to argue with consensus. :) I was a bit hesitant at first in fear of triggering an edit/wheel-war, but everything seems to be sorted out now. –Juliancolton | Talk 21:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


Joan97 is my commons account and the unified login automatically changes it when I login/upload new images onto commons, do you know how to un-unify accounts by any chance? Thanks --Anhamirak 02:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Hurricane Bill (2009)

Updated DYK query On August 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hurricane Bill (2009), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

NW (Talk) 05:07, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


Just noticed and wanted to thank you for one of your recent indefinite blocks of a vandalism-only account. I've noticed more and more other admins failing to do so, on the mistaken belief that if the person vandalized, was warned, did it again a number of times, and was warned again -- that it is too early to block them. Good for you!--Epeefleche (talk) 05:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. :) I agree with you that at times AGF is stretched just a bit too far. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


you had a couple edits to User:Ched Davis/Julian-list ... ok to delete as housekeeping? — Ched :  ?  05:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yep, no problem. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)



I see you deleted the 'Fernwood, Newark' page.

I was just wondering why? I came today to see about adding an article about the village I live in and am a Parish councillor on.

Kind regards

Antony date: 27/08/09 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry, but I can't seem to find an article by the name Fernwood, Newark. Could you please link to the page in question? Thanks, –Juliancolton | Talk 13:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Try Fernwood, Nottinghamshire. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Ah, I see, thanks for the link. Well, the deleted content in its entirety contained the text "Fernwood is a place Yes Place Hello", so it should be pretty clear to see why it was deleted. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Good Article Push

Hey Julian. I am doing a new article on drought in the UK in my sandbox and so far, I reckon with a bit of help it could be a dyk and ga etc. I have the sources ready if you are wondering and since you are really good at this (wih all yours!), I was wondering if you could lend me a hand in getting it to this status once it is published. However if you do not have the time or whatever, it is fine, I shall do my best! :) Regards. AtheWeatherman 22:16, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'd be happy to help! Is there anything in particular you need assistance with at the moment? –Juliancolton | Talk 13:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, it is in working progress, and once I have finished the draft (probably in around a week or two) on the sandbox, I will publish it wih refs and all. After that I will maybe nominate at DYK, and possibly at GA. It is then I may require assistance, just pointers and occasional content, to get it to that standard! Thanks for the offer, and I shall hope to speak soon. Regards. AtheWeatherman 17:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Dear Julian

Re: which you had deleted. Please inform how basic information about, myself, Alex Hammer, candidate for Governor of Maine, can be included on Wikipedia for Wikipedia community to edit. I possess an accomplished background, for example you might compare to whose favorable Wikipedia entry has been allowed to stand in this Gubernatorial race,_2010.

Thank you very much for your consideration Alex Hammer (207) 945-5240 —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:00, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Well, given the rather clear consensus at the deletion discussion, you'd need to prove that you are sufficiently notable for inclusion. This is best done by finding substantial coverage of yourself in secondary, reliable sources. That said, it's generally best to avoid editing articles about yourself so as to avoid potential conflict of interest issues.

If there's anything else you're unsure about, please do not hesitate to let me know. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 19:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chauncey Leopardi

Considering that your nom was procedural in nature, no Delete-arguments being raised, and the fact that the original speedy tagger has indicated that they no longer wish to pursue deletion [34], would you be okay with withdrawing it? Regards, decltype (talk) 15:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done. Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 18:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Can u come on ASAP pleaseJason Rees (talk) 16:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Weather Map

Hello, When you were getting the weather map for Hurricane Greta, how did you get the image to open because I can get to the site, but am not able to open the images. --Anhamirak 19:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

You need to download the DjVu Browser Plug-inJuliancolton | Talk 19:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey Julian, can we continue? iMatthew talk • take my poll at 00:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure, but would it be alright if I get to it tomorrow? –Juliancolton | Talk 01:33, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
No problem. iMatthew talk at 01:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Trouting time...

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Until It Sleeps Wake me   02:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Rollback rights

I've thought long and hard about it, and can I have my rollback rights restored because I would be using my Alternate Account to view my watchlist on my iPod. Darren23 My Edits 13:13, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Canon Camcorders


I'm in the process of implementing the decision from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Canon DV 012, which you closed. Please could you undelete the talk page for me?

Thanks—S Marshall Talk/Cont 14:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure,  Done. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:39, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Thank you!—S Marshall Talk/Cont 19:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Canvassing and AFD listings

If you're interested, could I ask you to consider commenting on this? - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 17:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Julian please help me!

I dont know what ALT TEXT is! Please help me do it on the February 2009 tornado outbreak. Showtime2009 (talk) 02:29, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like you've done a good job with it so far. I did a bit of tweaking which should resolve the concerns listed at the FAC. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Request for rollback permission

G'day Julian. Just a quick one - was hoping you'd be kind enough to provide me with rollback permission. Let me know if you need any further information. Cheers, --DWZ (talkemailcontribs) 05:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

When is it appropriate....

To refactor another editors talk page? [[35]] I have left a lvl 1 warning on this page for refactoring another users talk page that was clarly not vandalism. I have since been told that because I have a colorful history it is an invalid warning. I would like to have a few admin go and comment one way or another to this as I believe my actions were not only appropriate but very moderated. Thank You.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment on the situation if you wish, however the prevailing opinion has been if you make 60,000 edits it's ok to discount others polite opinion because "they have bit a newbie (once) and have poor grammer." This wasn't a personal issue but a disturbing attitude trend.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 11:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'd have to see the diff(s) in question before I can make an informed judgment. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Resolved with user. Both sides took something away from situation.Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


Hello, I expected it wasn't going to pass but I am glad I tried because it shows I have a chance.

I do have a few questions.

Can I modify the RFAR sections about questions for me? I never was able to answer Flaming Lawyer's questions.

Also, can a non-admin comment on the administrator's noticeboard?

Thank you! :) --Rockstone (talk) 17:38, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi. First of all, it's called "RFA"; RFAR is something entirely different. :-) That said, it's generally best to avoid editing archived discussions. The questions are there to help participants decide how to vote, so if the RfA is archived, I don't see a point in answering them.

Re. your other question, yes, anybody may participate in discussions at AN. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 17:40, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


I respect your decision to refuse my roll-back request. The reason you gave was edit warring. This worries me a little. I have been involved with what one might term an edit war with an admin over his dereliction of duties. I was trying to make a point (which so happened to be the same point another user was making at the same time) but he kept deleting it, whilst maintaining the other user's less-well-put point on his talk page. You questioned my motives; again this is natural. But what would I gain from having roll-back against an admin in an edit war? I have alreay stopped any edit warring and have decided that if he wants to abuse his position of power, and if his Wikipedia friends want to support him, then that's their choice. Once again, I respect your decision, and I thank you for taking the time to consider my request. ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 00:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, it was certainly an edit war by anyone's standards, and this shows that perhaps you might abuse rollback. You should wait a month at least before re-requesting; if you can demonstrate that you can be trusted with the tool, I'll be happy to reconsider my decision. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Please help

Some editors (involved in this edit war) keep editing my own user talk page. They protested because I re-instanted my own comments on another user's talk page; which was wrong I know. But now they are editing my own talk page. I try to undo what they've done and they do something else. They're deleteing and moving content at will. PLEASE HELP! Can we decide upon a version of the page and then lock it for a period of some hours? I'm becoming dizzy trying to find old versions, cutting them, pasting them, and saving them. ~~ Dr Dec (Talk) ~~ 02:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films set in the future

Hi Julian, just letting you know that I undid your close [36] of the above AfD because it actually went through a minute or so after I'd already closed it - apparently we both checked the first AfD in the old AfDs list very quickly after it updated. Hey, at least we both came up with the same result, otherwise that would have been embarrassing! Face-wink.svg ~ mazca talk 09:54, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Dendodge RfA

Alright, thanks. If he wants a co-nomination, I would be glad to give one. If not, he can be sure of my strong support. :) Malinaccier P. (talk) 14:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: RfA

My plan is to wait at least another year before I self nom, but to accept offers of nominations by other people before then, if anybody trusts me enough to nominate me. Dendodge T\C 21:18, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, go ahead if you like—I won't stop you. Dendodge T\C 21:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
It's eleven at night for me, so I don't think it would be wise for me to start answering questions just yet, and I'm going out for the day tomorrow, so I probably won't get round to accepting the nomination until about 3 o'clock tomorrow afternoon. Dendodge T\C 22:03, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
No problem, that's fine. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:05, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, TPS has interest in participating. Looks like a support. :) ceranthor 23:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Nomination accepted, questions answered, and page transcluded. If anyone has expressed an interest in co-nomming, I don't see any harm in them adding their nom statement a bit late. Dendodge T\C 16:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Extremaduran language

Why the change of name, you need a reason. Why? --O extremenho (talk) 19:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I moved the article per a request at WP:RM, which was deemed uncontroversial. Since no ethnic group exists by the name "Extremaduran", the "language" disambiguator is unnecessary. –Juliancolton | Talk 19:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

RFA Coaching

I've responded and i'm assuming that you'll check in the future for stuff like this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:00, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

NPA violation

I see you blocked User:Knight Prince - Sage Veritas for 48h today. Now on his talk page he's violated WP:NPA by calling me a racist.. This was done while he was blocked so I request you review the matter. RlevseTalk 01:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I've extended his block to indef. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

RfA comments

Hi, Julian. I'm disappointed to see you commenting on Until It Sleeps' !vote at MZMcBride's RfA, particularly as I supported you on your recent RfB. Until It Sleeps is entitled to express his opinion, even if this disagrees with those of arbitrators, bureaucrats, Jimbo, etc.. It is irrelevant that individual arbitrators have supported MZM's RfA. Axl ¤ [Talk] 01:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the note. I wasn't commenting on UIS' vote individually as much as just throwing my thoughts out. As most people know, I view RfA as a discussion rather than a vote, and therefore I like to bring as many different viewpoints as possible into the conversation. I was just thinking that there are times when we should put a bit of extra consideration into the opinions of those with a higher level of knowledge in a given situation, and that this may be one of those circumstances. This obviously isn't a popular opinion however, but I think it was worth noting. Hopefully this satisfies your concerns. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 01:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Yea, I have a few thoughts on this as well .. such as people trying to suppress the obvious. It's prolly best that I don't expand on this at the moment, but I applaud Julian's fortitude in saying out-loud what should be obvious to all. Freedom of expression should be just that ... free. ... Just IMHO — Ched :  ?  01:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I was always under the impression that Wikipedia operated under a cluocracy (i.e. common sense). Let's not create more drama than is necessary. –blurpeace (talk) 02:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Julian, thanks for explaining your thought process. We disagree over the way you demonstrated your viewpoint. I don't think that any further comment (from me) is required. Best wishes. Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Editor trying to evade AFD process

Guilheerme (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log)

The same editor who created the recently deleted, by you, Born To Quit, tried to evade AFD process by recreating the article under a different title, check their talk page for the title. I also believe they deserve a block for attempting to game the system.— dαlus Contribs 01:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I've deleted the new article under CSD G4. Will keep an eye on it to see if any further action is required. –Juliancolton | Talk 01:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hey Julian

Plz give me some help on this [37].What is the problem with it because it has a great source.Thank you.--Taulant23 (talk) 05:37, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Copyedit request

The article for Union College has been rewritten and is currently in the userspace of the editor that did the rewrite. Would you mind copyediting it? I've already begun (haven't finished), but another set of eyes would be nice. We'll be moving it to the mainspace when editing is done and the lead is rewritten (if you know anyone that's really skilled at leads, might you point them our way?). This will replace the current article completely, or at least that's the plan. Thanks! :-) upstateNYerformerly wadester16 12:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll be a bit busy during the day today, but I'll take a stab at it tonight. The page looks good so far! –Juliancolton | Talk 14:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Wiki-related information - recalls

Good day Julian.
A small piece of information, I'm asking you only because I noticed it mentioned on your userpage (yes, I do lurk userpages of the editors I appreciate) and I'm trying to know everything I can about Wiki-related things.
What is a recall?
Not that I plan to start one, but I couldn't find any clear and final information in the various help pages (by the way, a review of them might be useful) and, as you mention it...
Thanks, and I hope I'm not stealing any of your time!
McMarcoP (talk) 13:50, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi. The recall process allows the community to review an individual administrators' actions and decide whether they should remain a sysop. Only a small number of admins are actually open to recall, but I believe it's a fairly useful system.

Good luck in your quest to learn more about the wiki, and feel free to ask if you have any more questions! Cheers, –Juliancolton | Talk 14:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

New Article

Hey Julian, remember that article in my sandbox, on drought in the UK? I have now published it here and was wondering if you could help me review it, as I would like to get a DYK, or GA (wow! heh) on it if possible. If it is not up to standard, could you provide pointers to help me out, this is my first attempt at this! If you are not available, that is fine, I shall sort it, as I know you are a busy thing! Thanks and Regards. AtheWeatherman 15:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

You're off to a decent start. I'd say your post important priority would be to add a lead section and incorporate a few images. I can help with the more minor issues such as prose and references. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Cheers Julian, I see you have already started cleanup. I'll see what I can do, in regards to the lead section, and thanks for your advice. AtheWeatherman 16:58, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank You and a Request

Julian, Thank you so much for your response on my article [[38]] I find notability to be this elusive term that everyone keeps dropping but nobody can really define. So, I went the the guidelines page and did the only thing I can think of which was to put an argument for notability on the article's discussion page. I'd be grateful if you could take a look and tell me if I have cleared up the notability concerns? Also, I'm curious of how I move this article to the main space once I have it ready? Again, thank you so much for your help. Rpelton (talk) 16:56, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, notability is established two ways—through the text and through the references. The references are probably sufficient to prove that the subject is notable, but the text is still lacking in this regard. The article's opening sentence makes this individual sound rather insignificant (is being a native of Marin County, California the most noteworthy thing he's done)? Generally you want to assert the subject's importance in the first sentence or two. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Knight Prince - Sage Veritas

This user has accepted my offer to be unblocked in exchange for a voluntary 1 month ban from Joseph Barbera and ethnicity editing. I just wanted to check with you before finalizing. Any comments? Mangojuicetalk 18:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Fine by me, though the user should know that any further disruption will likely lead to an immediate re-blocking. Thanks for dealing with that. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Alex the great

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Alexander the Great triple crown jewels upon Juliancolton for your contributions to windy articles in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Well done, Casliber (talk · contribs) 21:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Hehe, thanks! :) –Juliancolton | Talk 21:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

User page

Hello. I was wondering if you could enlighten me on the policy on what is suitable for user pages (well in this case a talk page which someone is using as a user page as well as a talk page) and what isn't. It is with regards to User talk:Clifffrichard. Also, I was wondering if you were available for admin coaching. Thanks, Alan16 (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2009 (UTC).

Hi. I'm not entirely familiar with the userpage guidelines, but I'd say it's inappropriate soapboxing, and should thus be removed. To answer your other question, I'm afraid I don't have the time at the moment to coach another user. I'm slow enough as it is responding to my current coachees, and with the schoolyear approaching I can't see that changing any time soon. However, I'd be happy to answer any specific questions you have with regards to adminship. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 00:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Copyright infringement request

Hi Julian! I was wondering if you could do a favor for me? A copyvio tag has been placed on Leslie Burr-Howard, due to a large section of text being copied from another website. The tag says that an administrator needs to resolve it. The subject of the article is notable, so if you wouldn't mind, could you remove the copyvio tag and revert to the last version of the article without the copyvio, here? Then I'll be able to go in and add some of the information from the copyvio'd source back in (without violating copyright, of course). Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 02:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Someone else already took care of it! Thanks anyways, though... Hope the hurricanes and back to school are going well! Dana boomer (talk) 02:40, 2 September 2009 (UTC)