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Article missing? Antonino da Patti[edit]

Greetings, FYI at Talk:Antonino da Patti Revision history - the article tab is red linked. Unable to find the article. If article was deleted, should talk go as well? I'm just reporting here as I don't know how to correct. Regards,  JoeHebda (talk)  16:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi, JoeHebda, and thanks for picking that up. I'd gone and moved the talk page instead of the article itself, not the first time by any means that I've made that particular dumb mistake (I really wish there was a pop-up warning when you try to do that). It's fixed now. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni[edit]

AWB applies automatic formatting fixes to an article independently of the specific edit that a user is making — so if it made bad formatting changes of its own while I was in the process of applying the {{uncategorized}} tag, that's a software bug that needs to be addressed by AWB's programmers, and not a personal error on my part. And the "uncategorized" tag has to be there if the article doesn't have any categories on it, so you don't get to dismiss that as a "useless" edit that nobody should have been making at all — there were almost 1,500 articles on the uncategorized articles list yesterday, of which I didn't even manage to get through half so there are still over 800, so one software bug on one article does not require me to forego AWB and manually tag them all as uncategorized one by one. And further, if you're not familiar with how AWB works, there's no way for me to have "seen I screwed up", as you so angrily put it; it does not show you the "after" view of a page after you've applied an edit, but rather moves on to the next page in the batch. So I'm sorry it happened, but none of it represents me screwing up or acting irresponsibly. If there's a bug in AWB's "automated cleanup" programming, that's for AWB's programmers to fix. Bearcat (talk) 16:29, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


Hello Justlettersandnumbers, thanks for your kind message. :-) That user has been blocked on as well and we worked on his page too. Thanks for remembering me so kindly the policies about pages' chronology, I know them, since I am sysop on since 2006. :-)) But this is a different case. I will try to explain it with my English. At the beginning, I published that text in Polli Corporation, but after a while I discovered that Polli Corporation was a different company (even if not notable and a vandalism), so I copied my text in Polli (company), a new page. Please note that it was a new and rewritten page, created from scratch. :) The page Polli Corporation should be deleted, while the other one is totally new, therefore - in this case - it is not correct to keep the chronology of a vandalism, and I am actually the first user who wrote that text. Hope it helps. Cheers. :) --Lucas (talk) 03:11, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Guy ropes[edit]

Heyo Justlettersandnumbers and thank you for your comments. I have been away from the process and I am not sure about what happens next. I was wondering if your queries were resolved, could you restore the tick per Ashorocetus' review for its promotion? I saw something similar at Template:Did you know nominations/Jochen Rindt and thought I should message you. Regards, Yash! 04:53, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


Separated at birth?

Hi Jlan. I am back from yoga class and ready to start working in Diana, Princess of Wales. If you could tell me which diffs you have cleared that would be perfect. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:18, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Diannaa, I did the last seven on my list (# 104–110), and have already removed them from there. The diffs from 111 on shouldn't need checking because that's where I optimistically rolled it back to when I first identified the problem. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I am going to work on it for a couple hours, so stay off for now. Thanks so much for your help. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 18:28, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
I am stopping for now. I have completed to and including #85 on your list. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 22:33, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Wow! That's heroic – and the end is in sight. I'll try to do some more tomorrow, working on the other large project in my sandbox at the moment. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
I have finished the rest of the diffs and will be revision-deleting back to the diff about the coat of arms that we talked about. Thanks again for your help with clean-up of this article. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


I smell a sockpuppet: [1]. Just my opinion. Montanabw(talk) 00:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

On ethnicity of Giovanni Battista Pittoni[edit]

I did revert back to Italian. See talk page for artist. No one denies the truth of your assertion, but the consensus has been to call such persons "Italian", and I think there are good reasons for that. Sydney Joseph Freedberg in his volume, titled "Painting in Italy, 1500-1600", discusses painters from Milan to Venice to Naples. The same is true for Rudolf Wittkower in his Pelican History of Art, "Art and Architecture Italy, 1600-1750". GB Pittoni is mentioned in page 91. Both these are major works in the topic by major scholars. They see a role for using the term "Italian" to describe painters from these regions in these eras. If this is still very contentious, the prior debate would have to be re-opened.Rococo1700 (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

New sock of "Alec Smithson"[edit]

Will you report "Max"? I'm off PC, and just with tablet this goes badly..--Yopie (talk) 21:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, just doing it now. It couldn't be much more obvious, could it? We should mention this to Lucas too, as he's made a similar account on Italian wp, Utente:Max Araldi. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:08, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
@Yopie: Thanks, is there any ip check (check user, I mean) to see? Thanks! --Lucas (talk) 02:12, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Lucas, Max was blocked on behavioural similarity. Yopie filed an SPI but didn't request checkuser. Regards (to both), Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:32, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
@Yopie: Ok, it was too old to check (I thought there could be multiple ips), so it's a duck. Thank you both. --Lucas (talk) 09:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Lucas, checkusers won't link IPs to registered accounts – at least, not publicly. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:42, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I am not used to ask for a check directly here on and I do know that the policy (at least should) apply interwiki, but as you can see "sometimes" it happens. ;) In any case, a checkuser may say "yes, there is a postive link with 3 ips that are trying to avoid the block". --Lucas (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
AFIK as former CsArbComm member, this is possible for a checkuser, but you must explicitly demand it. But they dont like it and usualy they prefer behaviour check. With "Alec" we not need it, because his poor English and obsession with Natoli.--Yopie (talk) 00:57, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

David W. Allan[edit]

I see you were the one to strip the David_W._Allan page. David is my father. We spent a lot of time creating that page, with references, etc. I can't fathom why you stripped it. He is a world-leading scientist. What are you? IEEE is doing a feature issue on his Allan Variance soon.

I see that older versions of that page here are unavailable to restore to. Why?

It's this kind of nonsense that spurred me 12 years ago to start, the best exotic free energy website in the world. I can't stand the kind of idiocy that occurs here at Wikipedia, personified by what you just did to the article about my dad. A lot of people worked on that page, then you stripped it, for no good reason.

You should be banned from Wikipedia, but you're probably one of its key administrators.

How do we restore that page? How do we banish you?

-- Sterlingda (talk) 00:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@Sterlingda: The page will not be restored. The content was removed and old revisions deleted due to copyright violations. (See the log.) — JJMC89(T·C) 02:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Terreña[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for deleting all of the copyvio stuff on Parnall. I am amazed it could have been undetected for over 13 years. Is it OK to remove some of the empty sub heads etc or should I wait until an admin has done the deletion request? — Rod talk 16:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Rodw, and thank you so much for noticing that copyvio and listing it – kudos! You should feel free to edit the remaining skeleton of the page in any way you like (apart from, obviously, sticking back any of the copyvio!), there's no need to wait. As for the age, this has set a new record for me – version 169,000-odd of Wikipedia! It might also have been the oldest text without any significant references in Wikipedia, but who knows? I wish you luck with it. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Over my head[edit]

If you can pop over to Međimurje horse and help Tsaag Valren, she's got a project going where she's trying to get the horse articles consistent on wikidata, and apparently we have two articles on the same horse breed -- I think. The language issues are over my head, and Tsaag is very active on French wiki, but she values help with her English, so I thought that you might be able to be of more help to her on this project than I am. Montanabw(talk)|GO THUNDER! 04:52, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Johannes Engel[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

WikiDefender Barnstar Hires.png The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you for your continued investigations into textual copyright violations such as at Anu Malhotra. I'm sure you know, but I'll chip in, that it is very much appreciated. BethNaught (talk) 21:50, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, BethNaught, for your kind words! For a variety of reasons I've been able to do very little recently. The backlog is completely out of hand, but I'm hoping to chip away at it a bit more often from now on. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Bruce Silverstein Gallery[edit]

Justlettersandnumbers, Can you please clarify your ongoing issue with the updates being made to the Bruce Silverstein Gallery page? Your comments from the previous edits: "Not an improvement; this page is about the gallery, not a person; copyright violations, too." If you look at other gallery wiki pages (i.e. Pace MacGill) the same format is being used and you do not take issue with this? The gallery owner of any gallery is a large part of the historical and contemporary program of the gallery. Might you suggest ways for the BSG page to be built in a more appropriate manner? (talk) 03:55, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi! By far the best way forward for that page is for editors with a close personal or professional connection with the gallery to keep strictly away from the article and refrain entirely from editing it, but instead propose any desired change on the talk page, Talk:Bruce Silverstein Gallery. There are instructions on that page on how to do that. Please note that, if the WSJ says the gallery was "in a 500-square-foot studio on the first floor of a townhouse on West 22nd Street in New York", you cannot simply copy that into Wikipedia; that is copyright violation, and is not tolerated here (it's also against the law). I agree that our article on Peter MacGill needs attention. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:29, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Wondering about[edit]

a warning your placed on User talk:SNAAAAKE!! about content that had been in Kaufering concentration camp. I know that particular editor is blocked and could not find his name in the article's editing history (was thinking it could have been one of his socks?) Just curious about how the warning ended up on that user talk page. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 16:17, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Shearonink! The copyvio at Kaufering concentration camp was added by user HanzoHattori in 2007. User talk:HanzoHattori redirects to User talk:SNAAAAKE!!, so that's where I left the notice. I haven't looked at the sock history, though someone will need to if there turns out to be any pattern of copyright violation here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:25, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I figured it was something like that - what a tangled socking web. Thanks for answering my query, I'm always curious about how Wikipedia works. Cheers, Shearonink (talk) 16:44, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For your work at Bobby Lockwood following the copyright violations - thanks. :-) Ches (talk) 13:28, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Just letting you know I removed the circumflex accent from the word "role" - there shouldn't be one on that word. Best, --Ches (talk) 17:31, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Er, are you quite sure about that, Chesnaught555? Here are about 10 000 results on Google Scholar which seem not to be aware of it. Perhaps you'd like to undo that edit? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:51, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Ah, my apologies. I will undo that. I didn't think the English language had circumflex accents. Still, my apologies, I'll revert it. --Ches (talk) 17:54, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Well, TIL. clpo13(talk) 18:01, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Il Primo Libro delle Canzoni[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Just edited addition to the FIT article[edit]

Following your very good suggestions, I have sourced my post and placed it where it may more appropriately fit with other dates and foundational information about the college.Andesite39 (talk) 16:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Green-legged Partridge[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


Does this edit constitute a copyright violation? Hawaan12 (talk) 04:35, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to have been slow to reply, Hawaan12. I see why you ask, but I don't see any real copyvio problem there. However, as an aside, I don't think the Beckett and Phenomenology source is an appropriate one – it's discussing Beckett's language, not the definition of infantilisation. That should come from a text on that subject. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:04, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Minnie J. Grinstead[edit]

Thanks for your note on my talk page. I did a small re-write a few days ago of the sections that had been highlighted. There's only so many ways to re-word a sentence, so I'm not sure how to approach it. Any suggestions would be appreciated, as it's certainly a notable biography. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

I saw that, Magnolia677, but I didn't feel that it had resolved the problem. Rather than re-wording of a sentence or two, what the page needs is to be rewritten in completely new words – your own words. The meaning of the source can freely be reproduced, but not in the same language that the source uses. It often helps if you avoid following the structure of the source too, and drawing from more than one source as you write can also help. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:17, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Alec Smithson[edit]

Well, my last ounce of good faith concerning the current IP at Carlo Biotti has completely disappeared. At first I thought he might have been a family member, but I'm now quite convinced that it's Alec Smithson. Newbie attorney makes edits like this? Uh huh. Do you think we should apply for page protection or just keep reverting him? The trouble is, as an IP they'll never block him for more than a couple of days SMirC-sad.svg . Voceditenore (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi! It's him for sure – I've been dealing with the same rubbish for months; Yopie has dealt with a good deal of it too. However, your family-member suggestion is not a dumb one. It took me a moment or two to realise that the two possibilities were not incompatible. The most likely reason for the lunatic obsession with people called Natoli and Polli is that they are relatives, Biotti may be another (see for example this mis-named file).
What to do? I've no idea – he changes IP all the time, and the level of disruption at any one article is not usually enough to justify protection. I think the only thing to do is to revert on sight without paying any attention at all to whatever he may be trying to say or engaging with him in any way. This is of course where we need those "more robust tools" against long-term abuse that we've asked the WMF for. I've nearly finished cleaning up and attributing his articles here (see the list here); those on it.wp and fr.wp are still mostly a total pig's breakfast, but I'm not planning to work on them. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:59, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
I wonder if a CBAN on Alec Smithson would be ideal here. It's clear that he's WP:NOTHERE, not to mention an incompetent sockmaster whose only intent is to cause havoc. Best, --Ches (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, he's already indeffed here and globally locked. I don't really see that a ban would give us any advantage in dealing with the IP-hopping, do you? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:22, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough sir. Perhaps range blocking the IPs would be within the community's best interest, if that has yet to be done? --Ches (talk) 19:27, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, well, well. A bit of googling this morning turns up lots of people with the double name of Natoli Biotti, Polli Natoli, and people related to both groups e.g. here. It would certainly account for the... er... fervor of his outrage at "mistakes" in the articles. A range block would be difficult. He seems to use Telecom Italia IPs geolocated to the area around Milan with a range between (at least) 95... and 79... I'm sure they'd tell us it would affect way too many users. Anyhow, from now on, I'll just revert him without comment. Justlettersandnumbers, are there any other pages you'd like me to watch? Voceditenore (talk) 08:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that's pretty much all we can do, and it's completely dependent on constant watching of the pages. So yes, please do add some to your watchlist if you have room. The most obsessive topics are Natoli, Polli, Lierna and Sperlinga, but take your pick from my list. Thanks for your help! Just in case you've any lingering good faith about the IP: definitive confirmation. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:09, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
I've added all the (existing) pages he's created to my watchlist. Interesting pattern. Apart from stuff obviously related to the Natoli/Polli/Biotti clan, I suspect many of the artist biographies were for works which they own, followed by biographies of art historians to validate the material about the artists. Ditto the "historians of nobility". What an incredible time-sink this person has been, not to mention abusing my assumption of good faith by socking away at the same time he was claiming to be the "legal advisor" to Carlo Biotti's family. UGH! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:15, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
Excellent, thank you! Time-sink? You can say that again! Good thought about the artworks, that would explain the interest in obscure second- and third-rate artists (some of the fourth-rate ones got deleted). Your good faith was misplaced but does you credit. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Yours, all yours[edit]

Well-intentioned overeager newbie: [2]. Old edits read like a copy-and-paste; I suspect the images are all copyvio too. Article was blanked as unreffed (probably copyvio) and redirected to Boer pony, which could use some work anyway. I have other fish to fry. Have at it if you choose to, but perhaps the issue of whether we need revdel at Boerperd history is also something up your alley. Anyway, it's all yours. Montanabw(talk) 00:18, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

You saw what I've done. I didn't see any evidence of copyvio in either the English or the Afrikaans content added by the new editor; did you see anything specific? (I'll look again if you did) I added attribution for the part that was translated. I've nominated most of the images for deletion on Commons, but don't have the language skills to do the same on af.wp (that's a pretty impenetrable language!). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:58, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
Forgot I had this watchlisted due to ancient dramahz. I took a look at Boerperd, and the stand-out thing was that the images are all credited to other individuals (in the captions in the article, as if this is a newspaper), but the author of the page uploaded them as self-owned, so that's a red flag. Dunno about the text; if it was translated from something in Afrikaans, it might be originally from elsewhere. Hope the image catch is helpful.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  07:09, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Yep, that's why I nominated most of them for deletion – those that had a photographer or studio credited in the text, on the image itself, or in the EXIF data. A few of them didn't have any of those, and G-image searching didn't immediately throw up any evidence of copyvio; I imagine that the Commons admin who looks at the deletion requests will also look at other uploads, and be much smarter than I am at this kind of thing. I did use Earwig's tool to check for copyvio in the Afrikaans version of the page (which would have made ours a translational copyvio), but found no cause for anxiety. Unless you guys can see anything else to worry about here I really think we're in the clear (as far as text goes, anyway). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
The breathless "my magic pony is a unicorn" tone in the article kind of jumped out at me, which is probably why I was fretting ... best you handle this new editor. Actually, if they can be calmed down, sometimes the over-enthusiastic can become really good contributors; it really does depend on how much they are able to learn how things work on But on this one, glad to see you reach out to that editor and on this one, it is better you handle it, JLAN; I've got two mentees right now and both are going great guns, keeping me pretty busy (along with all the usual wiki-drahmahz elsewhere...). Montanabw(talk) 23:00, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

List of writers on horsemanship[edit]

Please see my comment on the talk page. A list of written works is not suitable evidence of notability because it is not an independent source. IronGargoyle (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

JLAN, FYI: [3]. Montanabw(talk) 02:54, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

File:David Muse Studio Theatre Washington DC Artistic Director.jpg[edit]

Hi Jlan. Could you do me a favour and see if you can find a permission email for this photo in the OTRS queue? It's been tagged as OTRS pending for a long time, and the email has been recently re-sent. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 18:27, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Found it, but the permission wasn't entirely sufficient – I've had to ask for clarification. Fifteen months, eh? – but it looks as if it was them who dropped the ball. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. — Diannaa (talk) 19:42, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
Good Evening Jlan - a correction, at my request a different individual, the new (this year) Digital Marketing Manager for Studio Theater, sent a new email to at 10:31am EDT 14 March 2016. This email included the following:
"I agree to publish the above-mentioned content under the free license: Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts)."
If necessary I can forward you the entire email, a copy of the email that she bcc'ed me
Ecragg (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Ecragg, that is the ticket I found, read and added to the page with this edit. However, the permission was not entirely sufficient, so I asked for further clarification. I've not heard back. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:18, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Possible copyright infringement?[edit]

Hello. I see that you detected copyright infringement in the Baltimore and Ohio article. I am suspecting that the article Building the Virginian Railway might count: If I were to look up some phases or excerpts from the latter article in quotations in Google Books, I usually get a result of the H. Reid book The Virginian Railway. The searched excerpts includes the book result even if it doesn't mention the railroad. I can't copy any excerpt to my message in case it's copyrighted material. I don't have the book, but checking the contents of the book and verify any matched text will prove if there's an infringement or not (I'm not assuming you have the book). TheGGoose (talk) 03:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Simon of Athens[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


Just so you know, I do run across articles you've worked on from multiple other sources: [4]. BTW, thanks for doing Simon and congrats on the DYK. Montanabw(talk) 03:00, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Louise Blouin and Louise Blouin Media pages[edit]

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, Let me introduce myself, I’m working for Louise Blouin Media and I’ve tried to add some information on both Louise Blouin Media and Louise Blouin pages for more than one year! All information I added were certified information concerning our group, our brands, our developments or our Chairman. I noticed that you removed or restored 75 times contents on our pages! I do not understand why all our posts were suppressed,as contents and sources were relevant and perfectly neutrally sourced. It seems that you have a personal issue with those pages and that you deliberately are trying to harm our reputation, which is not acceptable. Best, Lbm usuer2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lbm user2015 (talkcontribs) 17:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Please read WP:COI, especially the section on conflict of interest editing. clpo13(talk) 17:27, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Need Help[edit]

I wrote an article named OC Osilliation a well known musician in Zambia and Southern Africa and is currently in America working with well known musicians like Akon. My article has been tagged that my article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for music so I need you to help me correct this please you can do your search and you will see that he meets the notability of Wikipedia. Please review my work. Icem4k (talk) 17:12, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Icem4k! It looks to me as if that article needs more and better reliable sources to establish notability beyond reasonable doubt; I searched Google news and gbooks under both his names, and didn't find any. At the moment, I'm not sure that the page would survive if someone were to nominate it for deletion. Please take great care not to copy content from other websites into Wikipedia. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:35, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers Thanks for your advice I will work on that. Icem4k (talk) 17:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Minnie J. Grinstead[edit]

I'd like to bring the Minnie J. Grinstead article back to life. Can you help me out on next steps? Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I just noticed another note above. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:55, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Magnolia677! You are welcome to start on a rewrite of that article. Please follow this link to be taken to the right place for that. You may copy the structural elements of the article (the infobox, references, categories and so on) directly to the new page, but please take great care not to copy any copyright-violating body text, as that will make the rewrite useless. If you prefer, I can stub the article, which you can then expand as you see fit. Your choice! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:53, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Could you please stub the article? Also, do you know which source triggered the copyright violation bot? Thanks again. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:29, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Ah yes...this one. There's barely any biographical info on her. I'll give it another go. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:31, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Done, Magnolia677. Good luck with it! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion Flag for Young Rail Professionals (YRP) page[edit]

Hi there, You have left a speedy deletion note on the wikipedia page. May I ask for a reason for this? I have received notifications from other administrators for deletions in the past. I have since updated the article and improved it to reflect a third party view. Would be much appreciated if you could provide feedback regarding the same. Thanks a ton! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC), you appear to be mistaken – you have not edited Young Rail Professionals, and your talk page has never been edited. As you can see from the large speedy deletion template at the top of the page, it is nominated for deletion for two reasons: G11, unambiguous promotion; and G12, unequivocal copyright violation (from here). The copyright violation is foundational (added with the first version of the article), so there is no clean version that it could be reverted to. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:57, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Nigora goat article[edit]

Hello, I was wondering how the Nigora article may be edited to improve it? I created the original article for public consumption/education on the Nigora breed ten years ago, and I have done my best to keep it updated ever since. The stub that exists in place of the article now contains inaccurate information regarding the foundation breeds, which needs to be changed. It also does not contain any in-depth breed information. I understand there was some concern that copyright may have been violated by content in the article; can you explain to me where you feel this may have be done? I own the intellectual property rights to the information used. I am also the founding member of the American Nigora Breeders Assoc. and own the content found in the ANGBA website and elsewhere. I provide the information, and my time, on a purely voluntary basis; I receive no compensation, monetary or otherwise, for my work. As to conflict of interest, I suppose this would best pertain to the Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC (now defunct): There was a paragraph in the Wikipedia Nigora article which stated, "The American Nigora Goat Breeders Association (ANGBA) is not affiliated in any way with the "Nigora Goat Breeders Society, LLC" (NGBS) created October 31, 2013, nor does ANGBA endorse or approve the breed standards of the NGBS." The reason for this is it was discovered that NGBS was plagiarizing the ANGBA website and group content, verbatim, and a cease and desist letter was sent to the founder of the NGBS. Since the NGBS was disbanded in 2015 it would make even having mention of the caveat moot, except for the fact their closing has left NGBS members without paperwork on their goats, and these members are now contacting the ANGBA to find out why they have not received paperwork from NGBS. Please let me know how to best improve the Wikipedia Nigora article. Thank you. Irthumper (talk) 10:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Irthumper, and thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest in relation to the Nigora goat. Please follow that blue link to read our guidelines for conflict-of-interest editors. In general, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, Talk:Nigora, following the procedure outlined there. Requests that are not supported by independent reliable sources (i.e., sources unconnected to you or your association), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Copyright violations were added to the page with this edit, as this useful tool shows. Please use the talk page of the article for any further discussion. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:29, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Bobby Lockwood[edit]

I've noticed that all of the IPs adding WP:BLP, quite possibly WP:COI-violating information to Bobby Lockwood geolocate to the UK (which is a tad obvious, I know), but the majority in the 86.* range, with some going into the 94.* range. Furthermore, this is quite clearly the same person as "Jasmine-Rioxox", as one of these IPs attempted to restore her version of the article - I had asked her in December to tweak the wording, which she did, and that exact wording was used in a restored version. What do you think? Is this worthy of being reported to an administrator? Perhaps page protection on Bobby Lockwood, under "persistent BLP violations"? I am interested in hearing your opinion on this matter. (On a personal note, I want to thank you for keeping an eye on the article. Much appreciated.) --Ches (talk) (contribs) 16:05, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Ches! I don't know, but my feeling is that this is pretty low-level background noise, and that probably admins have more important things to deal with. If it shows signs of getting out of hand then perhaps semi-protection would be appropriate, we could ask. Meanwhile, thanks to you too for watching it. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
No problem. Semi-protection may be the best way forward - I'll request that if any more of those IP addresses edit the article again. Some of the IPs seem to be single-purpose (by which I mean they only edit Bobby Lockwood). I will keep a look out. Thanks, --Ches (talk) (contribs) 16:33, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Copyright in UCC[edit]

JL&N, I thought I would take this here from the talk page for Course of Dealing to lower the level of excitement. I don't know how to tell you this in a more polite way, but you guys are just wrong about copyright law. What BD said is right, and you are getting bad advice from somebody.

Cornell cannot possibly have a copyright interest in the UCC. I have been teaching copyright and patent law for 25 years at GW Law School in DC, and I don't know (and am pretty sure I have never known) any copyright scholar who would agree that Cornell has a copyright in the UCC. The UCC is a statute, a uniform law adopted in many states. You cannot have a copyright in that.

Cornell is simply lying if they say they have a copyright in the UCC. They are not its author and it was dedicated into the public domain about 40 or 50 years ago.

You need to get better legal advice if it is as you described it. Your current legal advice source is terrible if it is telling you that it is copyright infringement to copy statutory texts.

There must be Wikipedians who are US or UK copyright lawyers who will help you out if you need it on basic copyright law principles. I would. I am sure BD would, Ed Colins too. Probably Notecardforfree would. Greg Jack (Pickett) might. There are more. Thank you for your no doubt well intended contributions to WP.

PraeceptorIP (talk) 22:01, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)PraeceptorIP, while the data itself might not be copyrightable, the work still can be, the web design, the typesetting (of hardcopy) and so on. Also, even if a work is in public domain, a copypaste is still plagiarism. (yeah, I'm one of those above too...) Montanabw(talk) 06:31, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Agree of course[edit]

I was just re-stating the warning box that D left. I had written out a long further explanation basically saying what you said, but after 3 e/c's it would be redundant and pointless to add now. CrowCaw 00:01, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks – on the rare occasions I don't agree exactly with what you've said I tend to go ahead and say so, in full confidence that you'll correct me if I'm wrong. Good to see you back, by the way – there were "no crows here" not too long ago. Do you know the Stevie Smith poem Not Waving but Drowning? Sometimes I feel it describes our situation at the copyright boards … "much further out than you thought … and not waving but drowning". I think we need more people, but who? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:22, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes, I got flung to the far corners of wherever for job-related stuff, and took only my iPad. Great for browsing but horrible for CP/SCV type stuff, and far too easy to mis-click (one of the reasons I don't have Rollback)! Also, good analogy with the poem! It does feel like pushing a car with a rope sometimes, especially with MRG's vastly reduced time in those boards due to her new role. I've been keeping an eye open for new commenters on those boards to see if we can shanghai encourage them to help out, with no luck so far. Still, we few, we happy few, press on though! CrowCaw 18:58, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you very much for your helpful language support on the El Shahbaa AfD, which was closed as "keep." Your help was crucial. If interested, I spotted this today, is more up your alley than mine: Limousin_horse. Montanabw(talk) 04:59, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Danny Lane[edit]

Hi there, thanks for your recent flagging of the problems with my edits to the Danny Lane page. I've now spent some time rewriting this page and fixing any issues that may have been unenyclopedic in tone or breached copyright. I have also made sure to keep your edits in the source code. I hope this all looks ok now, please let me know if there are any further issues. Thanks! Ljs90 (talk) 13:09, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help/advice[edit]

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. I saw that you remove the link to redirect from "Centre de musique romantique française" to "Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique". Actually he was right: Palazzetto Bru Zane - Centre de musique romantique is the entire name of the institution. The palace and the centre are just parts of the same name. Could you please replace the link? Or is there a way to change the title of the page "Centre de musique romantique française" in order to add the other part of its name? Many thanks in advance :) --JoséphineKirch (talk) 13:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

You have deleted a reliable sources in my article[edit]

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. I have recently added three references to the article Cropio. These references are from reliable sources. Explain me, please, the reason for deletion. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morena makarena (talkcontribs) 14:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

A few things for your consideration, Morena makarena:
  1. The content you added was largely copied from here, as this useful tool shows. That is a copyright violation, and not permitted here; persistent violations of copyright can lead to suspension of editing privileges
  2. It isn't your article, it's Wikipedia's article
  3. Please read the notice I left on your talk page with this edit; in brief: conflict of interest editors are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly, but are always welcome to propose changes, additions or corrections on the talk page, Talk:Cropio. Requests that are not supported by independent reliable sources (i.e., sources unconnected to the company), or are unduly long, are unlikely to be accepted. Often that "strong discouragement" takes the form of wholesale reversion of COI edits (I would have reverted your edits even without the copyright violation).
  4. You can mention reliable sources that you have identified either on the talk page of the article, or at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cropio, where they may influence the opinion of other editors – or indeed in both places.
Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Dealing with copyvio pages[edit]

Hi. I saw you dealing with copyright violations at Katie van Scherpenberg and wondered if you could help explain something to me. You've used the template requesting redaction of the revisions of the article that contain copyright material. The instructions at Wikipedia:Copyright violations#Dealing with copyright violations don't say to do that. It seems good practice though. Should I be adding that template when I identify copyright violations as well as putting a note on the article talk page, or is there some other process by which redactions are undertaken? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Cordless Larry! I think opinions vary on how important it is to revdelete after removing copyvio. My own thinking is roughly that if it's still in the history it's still visible to the world at large, albeit not so obviously as when it was in the article, whereas if it's been revdeleted only admins can see it. So yes, I think it's good practice, and I almost always request it as a matter of course (thus adding to the workload of, and trying the patience of, the few admins who handle such requests – who to date have been kind enough never to complain). It also seems to be a safeguard against mistaken, misguided or (occasionally) malicious editors restoring copyvio to the page. I think it should probably be mentioned in the instructions. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I'm sure that I've requested revision deletion in the past, but when I've dealt with a couple of cases recently I consulted the instructions and didn't find mention of it, and was a bit confused about its place. I think your approach is probably a good one, and I agree that it would be helpful if the instructions had something to say how/whether to do this. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:11, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

John Cabot University[edit]

You're right-- I had misread it as saying that it "is accredited by ..." -- which was the wording of the original source they originally used for the copyvio. I definitely agree that the fact they previouslymade use of the former corrupt system is relevant. Thanks for fixing it up DGG ( talk ) 03:19, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Your copyvio claims[edit]

Moved from my talk page: X4n6 (talk) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

First, many thanks for the "Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!" - as I've only worked on this project for almost 10 years.

Beyond that, I think it's clear that your tagging of my work has gone entirely overboard. Regarding the Suzi Bass Award article, everything was properly sourced and attributed. I noticed there are 14 links to reliable sources in that article. And because you think you have found matching phrases like "is to celebrate and promote atlanta professional theatre through the evaluation and recognition of excellence" which is verbatim the awards' stated mission; or phrases like "the suzi bass awards founded in 2003," which is when the organization was founded; or generic phrases like: "twenty one professional theatres," "the color purple," "professional theatre community," "the suzi bass awards inc," "participating theatres," and "suzi bass awards is a not for profit corporation," etc. does not constitute copyright violations. They are reliably sourced statements of fact. They are not editorial content.

Likewise, I have not edited on the Jack Mitchell (photographer) since 2012. Specifically, not since this edit on March 10, 2012. So the fact that you would tag that entire page, four years later; after dozens of other editors have contributed - and with over 16 reliable sources in the article, all because of one source you believe may be suspect? And because of generic matches like: "alvin ailey american dance theater and," "on photographing dance and dancers," "mitchell moved from florida to new york city," "his own photographs," "from 1960 to 1970," etc., - indicates to me the use of the duplicate detector tool with very little understanding of the discretion required to use it effectively. Once again, these are statements of fact. In some cases, they are proper names! They are not editorial content.

Additionally, rather than tagging these articles, you should have followed policy required by WP:DCV and addressed your concerns on the talk pages first. I now see you have done the same thing by wholesale reverting my edits on Mike Nussbaum as well. Kindly revert your tags and state your concerns on the respective articles' talk pages, which policy requires. There they can be properly addressed. X4n6 (talk) 10:33, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

X4n6, have you actually read WP:DCV? Talk page discussion is the minimum action that should be taken if copyright violation is suspected. In your case, the foundational copyright violations at Suzi Bass Award and Jack Mitchell (photographer) are a near-certainty, and the part of that policy that applies is:

If the criteria for speedy deletion do not apply, you should blank the article or the appropriate section with the {{subst:copyvio|url=insert URL here}} template, and list the page at Wikipedia:Copyright problems; see instructions. This will give interested contributors a week to verify permission for the text or propose a rewrite. If, after a week, the page still appears to be a copyright infringement and no usable rewrite is proposed, it may be deleted by any administrator or reduced to a non-infringing stub.

So that's what I've done there. At Mike Nussbaum, the copyvio was added after the creation of the article, and the relevant bit of the policy is:

If all of the content of a page appears to be a copyright infringement or removing the problem text is not an option because it would render the article unreadable, check the page history; if an older non-infringing version of the page exists, you should revert the page to that version.

Which I did. Clear? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:01, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks, but I do not want this conversation on my talk page. So let's keep it here. Regarding your question, have I read WP:DCV: I'll simply answer that the very first line of it is hard to miss, yet it appears that you did:

    "Handling of suspected violations of copyright policy depends on the particulars of a given case. If you suspect a copyright violation but are uncertain if the content is copyrighted or whether the external site is copying from Wikipedia, you should at least bring up the issue on that page's discussion page."

Pretty clear too. Correct? So I'm still waiting for you to remove the tags and discuss the specific concerns you have with each article on their respective talk pages. X4n6 (talk) 11:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • I also noticed that you essentially blanked the Henry King Stanford article, before I assume, you had a moment of Zen and realized you had gone too far - so you restored some content here. I also noticed that you accused me of copy & pasting from a dead link. But the worst thing you find there was really just 1 out of 9 matches that could be viewed as too much. For that you could have easily just tagged that section, removed that content, or even (gosh!) just rewritten the paragraph. But instead, you blanked, then tagged, the entire article. But why you didn't choose any of the less draconian measures, you never explained. Again, it makes one question your judgment when it comes to the use of the detection tool. As for Terrelle Pryor, I counted 4 separate, reliably sourced and attributed, new sources in that edit: the Chicago Sun-Times, Forbes, Fox Sports and the Associated Press. But you're apparently accusing me of the copy & pasting hat-trick of lifting from 3 of those sources in the same 1 sentence. I also note that those edits are over five years old. So I really do find it extremely interesting that in none of the almost 1000 edits that have occurred at that article since - that no one, but you, has ever alleged a reason for concern. Extremely interesting indeed. X4n6 (talk) 21:24, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Wow, just wow. I stumbled across this after visiting X4n6's talk page. Justlettersandnumbers is to be commended for his/her cool head dealing with this crap. The gall of talking to a copyright editor like this after several blatant copyright violations is unbelievable.
Here, have a tiny barnstar! The Resilient Barnstar. I award the Resilient Barnstar to Justlettersandnumbers for always keeping a cool head.  InsertCleverPhraseHere  04:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC) InsertCleverPhraseHere 04:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Transporter Guy[edit]

I quickly checked this page and found that a fragment of text starting from The GIC channels are divided into three types: (1) a-amino-3-hydroxy-5-n ethyl-4- isoxazole propionate (AMPA)- was indeed copied, however it was copied not from the patent, but from the corresponding TCDB entry (this user uses TCDB abstracts). Both the patent and the TCDB entry contain the same text. Given that TCDB exists for a very long time, well known, and is under free reuse license, I would think that authors of the patent copy-pasted this text from TCDB, without providing appropriate attribution. The same could be with some other alleged copyright violations by this user. Yes, I am pretty much sure that the copy from TCDB was taken by authors of the patent. Let's compare the patent with another TCDB entry [5]. Both include same text (each with N- and C-termini on the inside of the cell, two amphipathic transmembrane spanning segments...) in another paragraph. Note that both paragraphs in patent that reuse text from TCDB do not contain any references, whereas other paragraphs contain references. If this is a copyright violation, it was made by authors of the patent. My very best wishes (talk) 15:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I think this all came from a review article published by Dr. Saier around 2000. But my time is up. My very best wishes (talk) 17:31, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
However, it was another way around in this case [6]. Here, authors of the TCDB database did a close paraphrasing (rather than a copy-paste) from an abstract from PubMed. ("Using all-atom molecular dynamics simulations, Jensen et al. (2012) showed how a voltage-gated potassium channel (KV)..."). The user copied this text from TCDB probably without knowing that the text was a close paraphrase of PubMed abstract. This should be fixed, but I do not think a few things like that warrant a full-scale copyright investigation.My very best wishes (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Two other cases (holin pages) appear to be rather remote paraphrasing. If they are copyright violations is disputable. My very best wishes (talk) 16:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Hi, My very best wishes! A few things:

  1. The copyvio blanking template carries, in large clear letters, a message which reads "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent". Unless you fall into one of those three groups, please don't remove those templates from articles.
  2. You wrote on Grahm's talk page "I am not an expert in copyright issues ... One suggestion would be to creators of the database to change their license and make it standard GFDL." Please read WP:GFDL; as you will see, that licence has not been compatible here since 2009, retroactive to 1 November 2008.
  3. Please try a Google search for the string "The different channel (receptor) types exhibit distinct ion selectivities and conductance properties. The NMDA-selective large conductance channels are highly permeable to monovalent cations and Ca". You will, I believe, get hits (inter alia) for three pages: our article; the website; and a patent application dated 26 September 2001. Do you see any evidence that the tcdb page was created before that date? The earliest version on appears to be this, from 17 July 2010. It seems that tcdb copied from an earlier source, as it appears to have done quite often. That means that, whatever licence it has or claims to have, the affected content cannot be hosted on Wikipedia.
  4. Either WT:CP or the talk page of the article would be a better place than this to continue this discussion.

Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

I hope this helped[edit]

I truly apologize for the mess up at DYK with Céline Gittens. As a further mea culpa, I went out and found a few more sources and added some material on her background and personal life. I hope it was helpful, and I will not be in the least upset if you need to revert anything I messed up. I got it up to about 2000 kb by the drpda tool, so that should make any reviewer happy. Montanabw(talk) 06:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if the DYK reviewer is waiting for you to "bless" my extra edits, but maybe pop by there and drop a quick note as to your position. Thanks. (And wow, she is really a very interesting young woman, a good topic for an article) Montanabw(talk) 17:46, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
Those were very helpful edits, Montanabw, and nice extra sources. Thank you! I'd said I'd do no more to the article (it was a rescue after a copyright clean-up, not something I'd chosen to write about), but I added a tiny bit more after your improvements. And the mess-up, such as it was, was entirely my fault for not being clear that I intended to withdraw the nomination only if the initial length assessment was found to be correct. Thanks again, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you.[edit]

Just a quick note here to say once again, thank you! While I may not yet be fully proficient to untangle the writhing snake maze of dealing with potential copyright violations, there is progress in the learning thanks to you. I appreciate you taking up the issue and for showing me how you did it too. Gratitude abounds, AD64 (talk) 17:38, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your help[edit]

Thanks for your help on fixing List of Jim Rockford's answering machine gags for the copyright issues. Since I am more or less retired as a Wikipedia editor, your help is greatly appreciated. --Chris (talk) 23:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)


Don't you think it's time you applied for some more tools? Email me if you don't think it is and I'll try to convince you otherwise ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

London School of Business and Finance and all its pomps and works[edit]

Hi JLaN. Just a heads-up that I have begun clean up of this article following the London College of Contemporary Arts discussion. The details are at Talk:London School of Business and Finance. As I imagine my revisions will not escape the notice of the owner's brand managers, you might want to put it on watch. In the end, I also created a separate article on the owner, Global University Systems, which you might also want to put on watch. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hi There, rewrited the UiPath page you marked as copyright infringement: Could you please tell me if it's OK.


RoboticRPA (talk) 14:09, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Céline Gittens[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 15 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Céline Gittens, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 2012 the Trinidadian Céline Gittens became the first black ballerina to dance the twin rôles of Odette and Odile in Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake in the United Kingdom? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Céline Gittens. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Céline Gittens), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Rejected draft: Churchill Retirement Living[edit]

Hi Justlettersandnumbers - thank you for looking at the draft of the article on this company. I had submitted this article previously and revised the wording to address the issue of it coming across as promotional. I thought I had done enough to rectify this issue, but it looks like not enough was done. I would try fixing this if it weren't for the other issue of source material. I think I've already uncovered as many sources as are available at present and if these are insufficient, it's going to be difficult to successfully overcome the problem. The organisation is quite well known in their sector so it may be that more usable sources can be included. In any case, thanks for taking the time on this occasion. Fbell74 (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Supposed copyright violation at Colégio Anglo Maringá[edit]

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that the History section of Colégio Anglo Maringá contained a direct translation. I was very careful to cite the source and to use my own words. I don't believe anyone involved in the copyright violation 'investigation' actually speaks Portuguese. I can assure you that it was a good faith edit and that it was not a direct translation. Thanks. giso6150 (talk) 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Giso6150, that's always a tricky one when translating from a foreign-language source; it was my impression that your translation, though elegant, was directly from the source. I'll answer more fully there, though. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:46, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Other possible copyvios by the Harrison Smith IP[edit]

The IP that was responsible for the copyvio recently rolled back on Harrison Smith (American football) made a few more edits around that time to other American football players. Seems some of them came from the players' university bios, just like Smith's, and were closely paraphrased. Duron Carter looks the most suspect. Also, a trustable user informed me that the IP apparently edits as User:Gcveintee now. Lizard (talk) 00:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this reminder, Lizard the Wizard – I'd already started looking at other contribs of the IP. I've been able to be here only sporadically recently, and will now be away for a week or more; this will remind me to look further when I return. Meanwhile, do please blank and list any other copyvios you are able to identify, that'd be a big help. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:35, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Intriguing Possessive Theory[edit]

Noted your fascinating suggestion and wonder whether it deserves more than a moment's thought. I'm reticent; I might have to go to Land's End to find anyone else who supports it and time's precious. [[user:sirlanz|sirlanz}} 09:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

See for example W. Stannard Allen, Living English Structure, page 17. But yes, there are a few customary exceptions – World's End, stone's throw etc. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:31, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry to say that this is just simply not a happening thing. At the same time, I confess I'm no expert on books designed for foreigners facing the challenge of English as a second language, though, which is to say I defer to sources like the Oxford Guide to Style, Chambers, etc., and recommend them in this instance. Your piece of information is simply fanciful. [[talk:sirlanz}sirlanz]] 09:50, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Re: Alec Smithson sock[edit]

Thank you for your message, I've gblocked that account. Sorry for the delay.

--M/ (talk) 15:13, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for that, M7! So, is there anywhere or any way to request or co-ordinate a global nuke of his edits? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Probably the best way is to ask to some active global sysop on Thank you, --M/ (talk) 15:57, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Information missing! Jonas Burgert[edit]

Hi, I work a gallery that represents the artist Jonas Burgert and his page is missing a lot of information which keeps getting taken down when I try to include.

All of his exhibitions are missing and I wanted those to be added. Can anyone help with this?

Isa.aballi (talk) 09:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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NHEG wikipedia[edit]

I noticed that my changes to NHEG page have been undone by you. I would like to resolve this by understanding why this was done. Please let me know. Atchopra (talk) 12:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I have reverted NHEG page to the changes I had made. Please don't revert back without explaining to me through talk as to what the issues are. We can resolve this without going back and forth on the wikipedia page. Atchopra (talk) 19:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Atchopra, I see that your account is very new. If you look at the edit summary I left with this edit, you will see that it reads "Copyright violation of"; I also posted a long message on the talk page, at Talk:New Heights Education Group#Copyright problem removed, which should give you some useful reading. Please do not add copyright material to Wikipedia again. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

NHEG wikipedia[edit]

Thanks for explanation on copyrights. I also have another question. Why were external links removed? Atchopra (talk) 01:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation to Teahouse. I appreciate your help. I have made couple of changes on NHEG wikipedia. Please check and let me know if they are okay. I am learning and I don't want to make more mistakes. Thanks Atchopra (talk) 15:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

CSD tag[edit]

Common communication format seems to match this page which has a CC license. But the material also matches this page and others, which claim copyright. How do we sort this out? (The lazy way is to say that it does not qualify as an article on other grounds)--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:47, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Sphilbrick! For once in my life I'm reasonably sure of my ground: the page does indeed carry a CC licence, but it is a Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International License, and so is not compatible for our (text-based) purposes. As things stand, that content can't be copied here. I believe that the G12 nomination was correctly based in this case and that both pages should be deleted (User:Nasirudheen too). OK, I've said my bit – now tell me what I've missed! Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:08, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks - I sort of knew that but forgot. One of the things I have learned about myself is that it is easier to remember things if they make sense. I now recall seeing the table that specifies that 4.0 international isn't acceptable, but I never understood why. That's quite unfortunate, as I bet some select a CC license with the thought that it would make it useful for Wikipedia, and presume the most recent license should work. I see the footnote explaining that it isn't backwards compatible, but I don't know what that means (I know the generic meaning, not sure why it applies here). Do you know if there is a clear explanation anywhere?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:22, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Okay, maybe I can figure this out for myself. While in some cases, the rewording appears to be largely a rewrite of 3.0 with possibly some clarification, such as specific mention that any purpose includes commercial, other aspects are more restrictive. Specifically the 3.0 attribution does not require a link to the license but the 4.0 does. So I think this means that if I take some 4.0 text and use it in another website I have to attribute it and include a link to the license, presumably the 4.0 license. However, if I copy that material into Wikipedia which uses a 3.0 license, that page won't have a link to the 4.0 license and thus is in violation of the terms.
Even this point is a little shaky. It doesn't explicitly say one has to provide a link to a 4.0 license, although it does say you must include "a notice that refers to this public license".
Do you know if this is the aspect that gave the lawyers pause, or if it was something else?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:33, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
I also see that I should've checked the talk page first as Dianna made this point. I have developed a habit of checking the talk page of G 12's, as they often contain some relevant information (most of the time just the usual statement "it's okay for me to use this because I wrote it"); sometimes something very relevant to the license issue. I failed to follow that habit this time which I should have.--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:36, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, I haven't tried to investigate whether a 4.0 licence could be used here, or if not, why not; nor offhand do I know of any discussion or explanation of that. What I gleaned from this conversation was that a change of licence would be a site-wide change, and that until and unless that happens, 4.0 can't be used for text. The bit I find hardest to keep at the front of my mind, specially when looking at tickets, is that it's OK (or even preferred?) on Commons, but not compatible here. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:04, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
  • @Sphilbrick: Hi guys, I'm actually the one (for better/worse) that got the WP:COMPLIC template updated. Apparently the verbiage of 4.0 says something like "content must be re-used under this same version or later", so using 4.0 text would not allow us to re-publish under 3.0, according to legal. The thread I brought this up on was [7]. The whole enwiki would have to change to 4.0 in order to source 4.0 text and re-publish, and from what I gather there's already a group on enwiki who oppose any re-licensing of their contribs, so no telling how that rfc would go. Commons is already at 4.0 so image use under that license is apparently ok, since we don't host those images but just basically link to them. Images hosted locally on enwiki would be 3.0 so again no problem. CrowCaw 16:30, 5 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Crow, that's the conversation I was really looking for, not the slightly later one I linked higher up. This is going to keep coming up; perhaps we should make a shortcut or something for it? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:50, 5 July 2016 (UTC)


Hello! I wanted to ask (sincerely, and not in a pain-in-the-ass way) where the policy is about deleting PAID COI articles via AfD? I do see that the Orangemoody investigation resulted in a bunch of deletions, as you describe. However to me that seems like a higher-level admin intervention-slash-cleanup job. I'm really curious to see where it is written that COI/Paid editing can lead to deletion at AfD. I've seen people say not to consider COI lots of times at AfD, but never the deltion policy you mention. Thanks in advance for your time! HappyValleyEditor (talk) 21:44, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi, HappyValleyEditor, I'm sorry to have been slow to reply to this. I don't think there's a policy, but I do think there's a precedent, set as far as I know in the Orangemoody clean-up; but from what I understand there were other forces at play there too, including socking and copyvio. The only discussion of this that I'm aware of is this one. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to reply! Happy editing. HappyValleyEditor (talk) 22:29, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Hi, dear Justlettersandnumbers, thank you for your help. Am going further with my translation and will notice you, when ready. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 20:01, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Dear Justlettersandnumbers, i guess, my page is ready to be moved. Would you be so kind to have a look on it? If something is wrong, i would be glad to hear it. - Thank you in advance!!! --Gyanda (talk) 12:52, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Three years ago ...
Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg
animal breeds
... you were recipient
no. 912 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda! I felt honoured then, and do again now. Three years, eh? – seems like yesterday. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Deleting mistake categories[edit]

Hi. If you ever make a category by mistake, as you did with Category:Montain_ranges_of_the_Apennine_Mountains - don't just blank it. If you tag it with {{db-self}} it will get deleted faster than if a third party uses the {{db-empty}} method and it's better to get things deleted than to have blank categories lying around. Cheers. Le Deluge (talk) 13:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Le Deluge. Deletion of category redirects is not a topic we have much guidance on … so advice noted. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


Hello! I know you are active in dealing with copyright violations, so I thought you might be interested in the new CopyPatrol tool from Community Tech. It combs recent changes and lists possible copyright violations. The interface should be straightforward; hit "No action needed" if it is a false positive, properly attributed quotes, etc, and "Page fixed" if it needed correction and you've done so (this would include tagging for speedy deletion). We plan to add more neat features like rollback, CSD tagging, and issuing of templates to the user's talk page. Hope you find this useful, and thanks for your ongoing efforts in this important area of work! :) MusikAnimal talk 01:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


Are you considering to accept an RfA for yourself? Given your revdel requests as mentioned at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#RevDel advice and the work on copyvios, you could possibly become an administrator like Moonriddengirl and MER-C, who also work on copyvios. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

+1 to that. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
+1 from me too! Go for it. --Zerotalk 15:46, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Frida Kahlo[edit]


Sorry, didn't want to step on anyone's toes with my edits, but I thought that the sfn-format was standard these days so didn't realise that a discussion had to be had, as this has not been a problem in the articles I've worked on previously! I'm going to overhaul the entire article in the coming month, and would therefore be changing all references to sfn-format. I've now started a discussion on the article's talk page, please add your thoughts :) TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 20:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

Sorry, I meant to drop you a note of apology. I'm away from home, only sporadic internet access, and I forgot. That was rude, if unintentional. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:28, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
No worries :) I probably should've started discussing my GA intentions earlier, but the article seemed so stable (aside from the recurring vandalism) that I didn't think I'd get any replies. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2016 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3

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Copyright violation help appreciated[edit]

Hello there, I noticed that large parts of FIFPro were directly copied and/or paraphrased from the official Fifpro homepage which -I believe- is a violation of copyright? I would report it myself but all the guidelines and rules are a little too much for me. Perhaps you can help out? cheers --Havlicek stole the ball (talk) 10:27, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Havlicek stole the ball: It is a copyright violation. I have removed the infringing text. Thank you for reporting. — JJMC89(T·C) 17:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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Rosmah Mansor[edit]

Hi Jlan. Can you do me a favour? There's what looks like a viable draft of the above article at the subpage Talk:Rosmah Mansor/Temp that could be moved into main space. Not sure what's supposed to happen next to get this draft into mainspace. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Diannaa! I'm away at the moment, with only very limited and occasional internet. But from what little I see, that temp page may not be as viable as it at first appears; I'm bothered by the degree of overlap here, but perhaps you've already looked at and discounted that? As for the actual mechanism of moving one of those pages into place, I've no real idea how it should be done (except that it needs tools I don't have); specifically, I don't know whether a histmerge with the old version is needed, or if the replacement page starts a new "clean slate" history. But I'm pretty sure MER-C, who often does that task, will know and be able to advise (please?). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Good catch, it looks like that website had the content first, according to the Wayback Machine. I will take it out. Hopefully MER-C can take it from there. — Diannaa (talk) 21:17, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
The rewrite is still not clean, it contained a copyvio from At this point, I don't think it can be trusted. MER-C 06:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
That was my impression, too, MER-C, based on the quick glance I took at it. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:33, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Maremma Sheepdog / Pastore Abruzzese[edit]

I don't know why you deleted the many integrations that I provided to the article about the Maremma Sheepdog. I didn't provide the sources because it was just a work of translation from the Italian article. Do you have the slightest idea of how much time and dedication it took to edit the English article, which is a mess and it is very lacking?

First of all I would change the name of the article, for nobody in Italy calls that dog 'Maremma', but - even if the ENCI calls it 'Cane da Pastore Maremmano-Abruzzese' - everybody knows it by the name of 'Pastore Abruzzese' ('Abruzzese Shepherd Dog'). It's just the American shallowness that changed its international name on unknown basis. (You may want to provide sources for that)

Also, being that breed almost unknown to the rest of the world, I wanted to improve the article. And, in order to do it, it is impossible to get the countless sources that you would normally have for Labrador Retrievers and German Shepherds, so the article necessarily needs to rely on the information provided by the Italian breeders and shepherds, respectively on their web pages and on Italian TV documentaries. That is why your necessity to make the article more enciclopedic falls apart.

You could have been right in deleting a few sentences of mine, but not the whole sections about the name, the origin, the Behaviour and the Training of the dog, which are easily verifiable and documented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kid Hey GBE (talkcontribs) 15:11, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Kid Hey, you added a ton of unsourced, unreferenced material. Other wikis cannot be a source for each other —we need independent sources. If you know this information has sources, you most certainly can go to the sources cited in the article to do so. Montanabw(talk) 06:35, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Stewie Speer copyright issues[edit]

Hi - thanks for your message about this article, sorry for the delay in responding. I have followed your instructions and would very much like this article to be restored as soon as is practicable, so that I can edit and improve it. As per my multiple messages on the Stewie Speer talk page and my email to the Permissions today, I hereby confirm that I, Duncan Kimball (Dunks58) am the author of the original Milesago article from which it was adapted, and that I am the creator and principal author of the website Thanks for your feedback, hope this will resolve the issue. If there is anything else I need to do to facilitate this, please don't hesitate to contact me. Cheers, Dunks (talk) 04:29, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

Ban'ei article[edit]

If you would be kind enough to tag sections with 'citation needed' needing improvement in that article so I could concentrate improving them. (Foreigner has bad english, sorry.) (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Luca Bestetti[edit]

Apologies. I had no idea. But now I see a whole litany on this editor in your Talk Page history above. The article subject still seems notable. Seems a shame. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Nothing for you to apologise for, Martinevans123 – if anything, I should be apologising to you. This is a pestilential long-term abuser of the good faith of other editors, and as we know the only possible way to deal with that is immediate, unconditional reversion, so I hope some kind admin will act on that soon. There's of course nothing to stop a bona-fide editor from recreating a page on the same subject. Pinging Lucas, Yopie and M7 in case any of them want to look at sock edits on other projects (or add the new ones to the global ban, perhaps?). MikeV, you blocked one of the earlier ones; do you see any value in a check-user request here? EthanSanders and Sergey7 are unmistakable socks, but there could also perhaps be others? Thanks to all, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Ping Mike V following fail above. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:20, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
... ah yes, Mike V's hot on socks - I should know. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
EthanSanders and Sergey7 are  Confirmed to each other. The previous socks are technically stale. As for a behavioral connection, I see a link to the master account so I've blocked them as socks of Alec Smithson. Mike VTalk 23:53, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Yes, that broken Italian did look a bit too broken. Do you think Luca Bestetti is notable and worth saving? Of course, I can't re-create it until it has been deleted (?) Or maybe eagerly taking over a topic from a sockpuppet would taint my pristine reputation? Martinevans123 (talk) 09:30, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Mike V! Do have any thoughts about the creator of this? – there's some overlap of area of interest. Martinevans123, I just haven't looked at the importance or otherwise of Bestetti – my interest here is in limiting the damage of a long-term abuser, and to that end it might be preferable if the page were not immediately re-created (assuming it ever gets deleted, that is), in order to WP:DENY him the satisfaction. But you'll do as you think fit; you might like to note that nothing that person writes can be trusted. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Well, I must admit, I had assumed that Bestetti had at least been born. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:00, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Page Deletion - contested but ignored[edit]

Hi. My page was marked for deletion for various reasons to which I contested. Apparently, that was a waste of my time. Not sure why you're able to contest if it doesn't warrant further discussion. Nonetheless, is the page completely deleted, or can it be retrieved? I was in the middle of revising it to better meet the guidelines. I declared my conflict with the article, and did not agree with the notion that it was for promotional purposes, based on the fact that the subject is notable person. If you had read the revised version, before deleting it, you would have noticed that ALL sources were newspapers and/or magazine articles or repute. I had requested in my contest for assistance on direction and or help with the article itself moving forward. I would still like that assistance, if the article can be re-instated for revision and review. Please advise. I can understand wanting to ensure all content on the site is proper and legitimate, but if a page is created under my account as a draft, and not in the public domain, I'm not sure why it has to be deleted and can't simply be revised and re-reviewed. Please let me know what can be done. Lkadish (talk) 14:25, 29 August 2016 (UTC) Lkadish (talk) 14:26, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you can't copy copyright content from elsewhere on the web into any part of Wikipedia, including your own userspace; that is copyright violation, and is not permitted here. Also, you should not be attempting to promote your relative here, regardless of whether or not she is notable by our standards (I don't know if she is or not). If she's important and interesting enough, some uninvolved editor will eventually create a page about her; please have the decency to wait until that happens, and refrain from editing it if it does. Sorry if this seems harsh; on the bright side, there are more than five million articles here, many of which are in dire need of improvement. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:03, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

User:Justlettersandnumbers - biased user[edit]

Two days ago I inserted information reported on the New York Times "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation." to the page at Roberto Gagliardi

User:Justlettersandnumbers removed this insertion within minutes and once again censored information found on accredited sources for unclear and unjustifiable reasons. User:Justlettersandnumbers then proceeded to remove the main points from the page, stripping it of its most important parts that are well-sourced and have been on the page for some time.

The actions of User:Justlettersandnumbers are not based on facts but on personal presumptions and he does not act by the book but by his own standards.

User:Justlettersandnumbers has continually censored (over several months), not only the sentence "The museum is situated in a 150-year-old building that was transformed from an old, closed-down hotel into a museum after four years of renovation" but other important facts from highly reputable sources known all around the world such as "La Nazione" (in the top 5 Italian newspapers) the Evening Standard, the Council of Chianciano Terme and Saatchi Museum's "Art and Music" official printed magazine (among other sources). These sources deemed the information in the public interest in Italy, the USA and the U.K. but User:Justlettersandnumbers strangely decided that the information was irrelevant or found some other reason to remove it.

People on wikipedia are published due to their personal and professional achievements. Once a person is deemed as notable, personal and professional information of certain stature is relevant if, of course, is backed up by reliable sources. This user has disputed very prestigious publications (who deemed the information notable enough to publish) and has demoted information as not fit for an encyclopedia due to its professional and personal nature when such facts are exactly what a page about a notable "person" are all about.

This user's contributions seem to have been carried out with the intention to remove the foundations of this page with the aim of eventually having it totally removed. This user has failed to have the page removed already once but continues to undermine the page by gradually eroding the page of its content.

User:Justlettersandnumbers undermines the foundations of Wikipedia and damages the integrity of thousands of other administrators, deleting the truth and betraying the bonafide of other wikipedia collaborators. In carrying out his censorship based on prejudice and in ignoring the facts, he is acting against the moral principles of Wikipedia.

User:Justlettersandnumbers , from an analysis of his actions on this page, can be defined as unfit to collaborate with a serious organisation like Wikipedia due to lack of proper and independent judgement.

It has become clear that the desire to demonstrate his power as censor has overshadowed his important duty to remain unbiased and serve the truth.

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Giorgio Petrosyan, External links[edit]

Hi Justlettersandnumbers, please tell me why the external links was removed because it is useful to the visitor and provides additional information about the fighter? ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndeeF (talkcontribs) 20:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Er, no, AndeeF, that page is of no interest to Wikipedia readers as it is copied (without the required acknowledgement!) from Wikipedia. An IP,, spammed a lot of links to that site. I removed them and left a warning for the IP editor. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:21, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers, how do you know which pages are not interested in (?), you are interested in fighting? According to my statistics (Statistics website) Visitors switched from wiki spend on site of more than one minute, which shows the interest !!! I can provide real proof. Wiki copied in part, whether in the presence of reverse links on the wiki count on a return link to the article? Ta! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndeeF (talkcontribs) 23:14, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Social Discovery Ventures. Copyright[edit]

Hello Justlettersandnumbers. This article ( is a translation from russian article . MoscowFF (talk) 15:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Then it would require copyright attribution, MoscowFF – which I see has now been provided by JJMC89. That leaves the question of how your translation happened to use some of the exact words of another website (one possible explanation is that you each independently used the same translation tool to translate the Russian-language page). Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:15, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Justlettersandnumbers Thank you for answering my previous question. Could you tell me what should I do to restore this article? Or maybe I should just wait while issue are resolved? MoscowFF (talk) 10:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Fernando Carcupino[edit]

Hi JLAN. As you have probably seen, I grew tired of reverting the sub-stub and expanded it today. I'm sure it won't be long until our friend shows up to "improve" it further in his own special way SMirC-crazy.svg. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:50, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, well, well, true to form he showed up in the dead of night (Italian time) under the guise of the Telecom Italia IP I've reverted the edits and left a note on the talk page about the "honours" and need for better referencing before adding them. Keep an eagle eye on it. I will too, of course. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:18, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
I saw, Voceditenore; you seem to have established notability where I was doubtful. As for the nuisance, I think the best thing is to avoid any interaction at all other than immediate reversion of all edits. And yes, I'm watching ... Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Don't worry, I have no intention of interacting with him. Besides, his IP is dynamic, shifting constantly, and when he gets bored of Telecom Italia he switches to Wind. He went on a complete rampage between the 10th and 12th of this month, not only here but also globally ([8], [9], [10], etc.), including the Italian Wikipedia where he snaffled my new text for Carcupino while adding his own inimitable touches and of course monkeyed with his innumerable Natoli articles. He even has stuff on Simple Wikipedia. I've duffed him in to the admins there [11]. Onwards and upwards. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:43, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Bharti Dayal[edit]

Its not an autobiography ! its a knowledge update on Wikipedia and to Wikipedians !Required <ref>has been given now you edit as I am not a good editor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharti Dayal (talkcontribs) 09:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Bharti Dayal, if you are Bharti Dayal you should not (in general) edit the page about yourself – that is autobiography and is strongly discouraged. If you are not that person you should not be using her name and should change your username immediately – please see WP:IMPERSONATE. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)