User talk:Jwrosenzweig/Archive 12

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Hey Mr. R![edit]

Yeah I bet you can guess who this is (not Daniel)

No I'm not here to trample on your last area of you life that hasn't been intruded on by you students, I do have a haiku to add though,

Europe is a place

Where you can spend lots of cash

To see stained glass

BOOYAH!...................sorry if this is a waste of space...ok cya!

Seattle Meetup[edit]

Glad to see you signed up! I'll be seeing you :) Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 09:55, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Translation Request[edit]

Hi James, I'll be happy to help you poopoo with the translation (I am very interested in the history of the period). Although, as I am sure you will understand, with work and family commitments I am not sure how much free time I'm going to have over the next few days. I might be able to find time to do this tonight or tomorrow, but if I don't it will probably be Tuesday or Wednesday before I get a chance. I'll keep you posted. Speak to you soon. Rje 20:37, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

I've done about three-quarters of my poopioo, I'll upload it when it's finished (should be tomorrow). It just occured to me that you might not know anything about your ancestor, if you don't you're probably in for a bit of a shock (he had a lot of blood on his hands, and met a pretty grizzly end too). Rje 03:21, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi James. I have finished the translation of Jöran Persson, hope you enjoy it. It is a little less critical of him than the Swedish article is; I have tried to highlight the fact that, despite being involved in a large number of deaths, it is not known how much autonomy he had at various points in his career. His reputation certainly isn't helped by the fact that John III scapegoated him to a certain extent because he couldn't execute Eric XIV. Rje 01:31, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Christian Views of women[edit]

I've left a note on the talk page about revisions.

An Invitation[edit]

You are cordially invited to participate in WikiProject Christianity

The goal of WikiProject Christianity is to improve the quality and quantity of information about Christianity available on Wikipedia. WP:X as a group does not prefer any particular tradition or denominination of Christianity, but prefers that all Christian traditions are fairly and accurately represented.

Christian cross.svg

That last comment was mine as well. Sorry I forgot to sign it. A.J.A. 22:52, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Homeschooling project[edit]

Hello, My name Master Scott Hall (you can call me Scott). I am relatively new contributing to Wikipedia, though I have been a user of it for some time. I am currently soliciting for interest in a Wikiproject that I have proposed on the subject of homeschooling. Before finding Wikipedia, my wife and I were seriously considering, but not quite convinced, to home educate our children.

After discovering the depth, scope, and long-term goals of Wikipedia, as well as the individuals driving it, I am convinced that WP has the potential to revolutionize homeschooling. I am also convinced that home education is the right choice for my family. I have, however, been somewhat discouraged by the oversight of home education in most of the education related projects on WP. There are many potential reasons for this discrepency, but I have resolved to try to do something about it.

Although I personally have very limited experience in building complex Wikiprojects, -templates, -portals, etc., I am confident that the right team can be assembled to tackle these issues. I would like to invite you to join this effort to make Wikipedia the resource for the home education of our children. If you are interested, please visits the temporary project page I have set up. Thank you --Master Scott Hall 00:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Update: The proposed project on Homeschooling was met with a very positive response. As a result, the project has been ugraded to an official WikiProject and can be found at WikiProject Alternative education. We have several experienced Wikipedians on board, as well as some new faces. We still need contributors with backgrounds in education, education theory and philosophy, and specific alternative education methods, such as homeschooling, charter schools, and E-learning from both teacher and student perspectives. There is also a lack of quality resources regarding anti-alternative education issues. If are interested in contributing or just have an interest, please visit the project page, or if you prefer, ask us a question. Thank you again, Master Scott Hall 18:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Jwrosenzweig![edit]

Irismeister's back...

It was a fruitful year, legally.

Remember that saying? Be the last who gives Bomipedia a good laugh, and you'll laugh forever :-)

And you thought you can spread lies and libel endlessly, without yet another judicial procedure and without your being personally and financially accountable in a court of law...

Maybe it's time for you to think again.

(irismeister 21:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC), also at

{{User wikipedia/Bureaucrat}}[edit]

Thought you might be interested in putting this in your babel box --Admrb♉ltz (T | C) 05:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


Is Archiving when other people don't want it vandalism? User:Johan Elisson is accusing me of vandalising when I clearly archived the discussions.Kingjeff 21:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Katie Holmes[edit]

Greetings! You have edited the Katie Holmes page in the past. I've completely reworked the article and have posted it on WP:PR in the hopes of advancing it to WP:FAC. I would be grateful for your comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Katie Holmes/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 18:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Poetry Project[edit]

Hi — I see you are listed as a participant of Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry. The project was recently tagged as inactive, and I am trying to resuscitate it. Are you still interested in participating? — Stumps 08:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Children's Literature?[edit]

I thought I asked you about this but apparently not. Have you got any interest in a WikiProject for the family of articles comprising children's and young adult literature coverage? I've made a proposal for a WikiProject, and I'd love it if you'd view/edit my proposal and sign up if you think it's worthwhile. It would be great to put an organised effort into rethinking these pages.


Re: Turkish literature peer review[edit]

Hello. I've noticed that you have an interest in literature, and that is why I am leaving you a message. I have recently entirely rewritten the Turkish literature article with a view to getting it up to Featured Article status, and have placed the article up for peer review. If you could possibly take the time to look at and review the article, I would greatly appreciate it. If not, thank you for taking the time to read this message. Saposcat 10:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Larrys Creek, Pennsylvania[edit]

Could you (or anyone else who reads this) please take a look at Larrys Creek, Pennsylvania and tell me what you think? I am sorry to bug you, but you are still the only person (besides -Ril-, and I don't want to deal with him) who has used my talk page.

Anyway, except for adding a picture of the creek , I think it is a pretty complete article, but I would appreciate any feedback on how to make it a better article. (I plan to add a picture, probably one of the covered bridge on it, just need to get there and take it and add it).

I plan to (eventually) make articles for all the major watersheds in Lycoming County, PA and perhaps all those along the Susuquehanna River, so this is a model of sorts for those (I have been working on two other creeks but they are not as far along and are longer/bigger creeks and so more work).

Thanks, Ruhrfisch 04:46, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the quick, thorough and insightful feedback. I think I know a way to flesh out the introduction to the article, a sort of summary contrast between the current rural state (Game Lands, fishing, low population) of the creek and its more industrial situation in the 19th Century. I can also put some geographic references in the opening related to Pittsburgh, Philadelphia and Harrisburg (and make this a standard sentence for all Lycoming County articles).

As for the map, I have also worried about it being too busy colorwise. I want it to be one map for all major watersheds in Lycoming County, so I think I may make each watershed all the same color and just number the tributaries. I might also see if I can fit in an inset of the county locator map so it is more obvious where this is in relation to PA.


As for References, I will add them (many of the web links are suitable). Is it better to do numbered footnotes or just a list at the end? Thanks again, Ruhrfisch 17:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Moved page and request for comment[edit]

Hello. I recently moved the page "List of American poets" to List of poets from the United States to avoid the US-centric idea that "US" and "America" are synonymous. I am a US citizen, so this is a disinterested move, rather than a judgmental one. I just thought you might want to link to the current page on your user page rather than to a redir page (which may be deleted eventually, as having a redir from there still reflects the same idea, though less forcefully).

On a completely different topic, as you have been a member of the ArbCom and are an admin and bureaucrat here (though perhaps it is more of a MedCom-type issue), I would be interested in your thoughts (preferably on my talk page here or there) regarding some issues I'm having on Simple English Wikipedia with an admin and bureaucrat there, Netoholic. He/she is also an active editor here. The user has invented policies which he/she applies to SEWikipedia (changing policy pages, etc. to reflect those policies) and will not allow anyone to go against them or make changes which include other ideas as alternatives or even put "disputed policy" templates on those pages. To me, it seems like POV-pushing, but on the policy level. There are two basic issues: what to do with "non-core" articles, as we call them there, and what to do with Simple English Wiktionary. I will try to summarize them in as few words as possible.

  1. Netoholic feels that SEWikipedia editors should only work on core articles, and that non-core articles should be deleted. While I and other editors are not against encouraging work on core articles, we feel that this should not be a requirement and that non-core articles should not be deleted.
  2. Netoholic feels that short descriptions (definitions) of words should be included as separate articles in Simple English Wikipedia (in the face of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, which he has modified to suit his purposes), despite the fact that Simple English Wiktionary both exists and is somewhat active. He also feels that the editors at SEWikipedia should not link to SEWiktionary, but instead should link to English Wiktionary (despite the fact that simple users may find the definitions there too difficult to be useful, while SEWiktionary is made for them). I and the users that have stated a non-neutral opinion (many are silent on this) feel that all of those descriptions should be moved to SEWiktionary, and that we should link to SEWiktionary whether or not we link to English Wiktionary.

Netoholic is not interested in what consensus says, because he/she has never asked for anyone's thoughts, but only pushed his/her own view as policy. This user has his/her own view of what "consensus" means, as can be seen by the RfD actions in opposition to what appears to be consensus. If you like, I can give you a list of the pages where we have had the most pertinent discussions, and I've even written a very long document (something like six pages in Word) which details the history of the issue, if you really want some in-depth description. Of course, all of this (except my history document) is visible on SEWikipedia, if you want to do your own research.

I didn't realize it, but checking his/her user page here on English Wikipedia shows that Netoholic has had some of the same problems here with ignoring consensus and even required mediation. I think the majority of his/her edits are valid ones, but the attitude gets old fast. --Cromwellt|Talk 01:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks for your friendly and helpful comments on my talk page. My apologies for my long comments. Hope you don't mind.
I note that you have not yet linked your user page to the new location, though you seem to agree that it was a good move. I'm not sure how to interpret that. Did you forget to? Your link is under the pages you've created.
I had not read the arbcom pages on Netoholic, nor did I previously know they existed. I have now read them (and their talk and evidence pages...ugh, heavy slogging through all the muck), and I was surprised to see some things. Netoholic has not had all of the same problems at SEWikipedia (possibly because there are fewer users and therefore less people to disagree with him, get into edit wars or flame wars with him, etc.). But some of his issues still remain, with a few modified by his greater power there (such as keeping the policy pages his way in spite of others' opinions). I will probably try talking to the mentors from his second ArbCom case. I don't know how easy it will be to create a dispute resolution policy there (though I would be interested in helping get it started), since although we are growing, there are still only about 7 active admins and not very many other regular contributors. If we do start creating a dispute resolution policy, I would like all the help I can get with how these things should work.
Would it make sense to go to Meta (as in stewards, probably) for help? Angela the steward is an admin at Simple, but she has done basically nothing to rein in Netoholic there, even though some users (possibly vandals or misguided users) have specifically asked her for help with him. That is why I don't think she would be someone to ask for help. She has made one comment that was in line with Netoholic (that in her view, SEWiktionary has no reason to exist), but I am sure that that has nothing to do with how Netoholic feels about it. Of course I forgive your ignorance of the SE projects.  :) I'm well aware that very few people know they exist, so don't worry about that. I agree with your assessment that Netoholic would consider your arrival as ganging up on him. The reason I'm talking to you about it is following Wikipedia:Dispute resolution under "Informal mediation" and/or "talking to third parties." I have done some of this (asking others to comment on my opinions and my discussions with him), but that has met with limited success. I should mention that other users/admins are becoming involved in the discussion now, and we are making progress towards consensus on both issues in a discussion on our version of the "village pump." It remains to be seen if Netoholic will abide by consensus. I have found another issue where he is bucking consensus, as regards stubs (he hates them and has repeatedly reverted to remove the cat from the template, among other unpopular actions), but I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. If all else fails, I guess I'll mention mediation to Netoholic and see how he reacts (perhaps mentioning one or more people (either arbitor(s) from here or steward(s) from Meta) who might serve in that capacity). Under those circumstances and if it comes to that, would be willing to be on the list of possible mediators?
One last question (or small set of questions). Maybe I could search the answer out for myself, but it would be so much easier if you could just tell me: On Requests for deletion (I think it's called AfD here), is either simple vote-counting or vote-counting with consideration of arguments an acceptable form of finding consensus? Is an almost equal vote-count ratio a reason for deleting or saving an article nominated there? In case of an equal vote, is the admin who takes the action entitled to do what he feels is right as a sort of tie-breaker? I would guess that that last one isn't right. --Cromwellt|Talk 07:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Medieval literature - FARC notification[edit]

Just to remind you that Medieval literature, an article you brought to FA in 2003, is now nominated for FA removal. I did a quick glance of it, and from the looks of it I could see that the article no longer meets today's stringent standards for FA (notably in the area of referencing). Unless the article were greatly improved, it will face having its FA status removed. PentawingTalk 08:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Larrys Creek made Good Article[edit]

Thanks again for the advice on Larrys Creek - it made WP:GA tonight. I would not have thought to nominate it if not for your kind help and suggestion, and your advice improved it greatly. Much appreciated! Ruhrfisch 04:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for asking if I want nomination to administrator. I will decline for now as I have a lot of other things to do, but I will think about it and let you know if (when ;-) ) I decide to try it. Right now I am still learning a lot about how Wikipedia works so I am not sure I am ready to be one either. I do have some questions, one important, two vanity.
The important one is a vandal IP address (it is at a high school I think) here: User talk: At what point / how does this get blocked?
The vanity questions are, first how do I figure out which is my exact 500th edit (short of counting them on the screen)? Also, I once found a page where you can enter your Username and it gave you statistics on your edits (total number, % in Main Space vs. Talk, etc.) but I can't find it now. Do you know what / where it is? Any help on these would be appreciated. Ruhrfisch 13:58, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks as always for your help. I listed the IP address at Wikipedia:Requests for investigation and hopefully that will take care of it. I have already played with the tools for looking at my edits - fascinating (at least for me ;-) ). Thanks again and Happy Easter! Ruhrfisch 02:42, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

A collection of onesies[edit]

  • See my reply under your post on my talk.FrankB
  • Short form, I misgrabbed you for the guy in between us. I'll be finished with the long form as soon as I find a link to embed for other matters. Apologies. But I'd cut an adequate answer off your page, and stupidly overwrote it, so had to start all over. Give me five minutes. FrankB 06:47, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Ok- I'm out. Now you have a proposal with the apologies! <G> Best-I'm off to sleep. FrankB 06:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
  • This may be a best 'first look' place for now, at least in telling you the lay reader (assuming unfamiliar turf) makes the series really unique. I'd set all these aside for most of the week and I've lost track of which approaches seem best. 1633_(novel). G'night for real! FrankB 07:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

re: (I lied about bed, unintentional I assure you.) Alas, among the many nationalities I can claim a piece of, neither Poland nor the Czech Republic are among them -- Rosenzweig is a German name meaning "Rose-branch". I'm unfamiliar with the 1632 series, and am currently only an occasional editor (when on break from teaching in the summer I have much more time to devote), but I'll give it a look when I can, and if I can be of service, I'll gladly provide it. If there are specific tasks (proofing a section, for example, or tracking down a particular detail), I tend to be better at that during the school year, as I often have only half an hour or so on those occasions when I can log in here. Post any such requests to my talk and I'll do what I can on them. Thanks, and my best to you: Jwrosenzweig 07:08, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

The way I understand it, if one came from the regions near the borderlands, odds are you are related to someone across it. Ditto for Romania, I believe, tho' that wouldn't apply to Germany, just Poland. If you're willing to start with copy edits, the original 'vomitous composition' I did to expand the 1632 (novel) article needs that neutral POV editing badly— it's mainly going to be exported as a Underlying History Behind... title, but for the moment, just making it less gushy, more encyclopedaic, and have good english would be a great start. It's pretty well wikified, and the only thing I know I need to add historically is the Catholic League, but perhaps you will come up with a few more for me.

I wish I spoke German! Another time fort why. The new version of the 1632 series article is the 'I found it' link on my page, and you can give that a go as well. IIRC, I petered out mid sentence in the section I was working on. If by checking in on these four pages you are not interested, then you're not my man.

Considering your area of interest and study, this thing should fascinate you. Best, until... FrankB 07:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC) G'night for real! <G>

If I can trouble you for a little feedback[edit]

re: Request some 'peer review' (Talkpage sections detailing concerns)] on a new article: Arsenal of Democracy This post is being made Friday 14 April 2006 to a double handful (spam?) of admins & editors for some reactions, and advice (Peer Review) on this article, and it's remaining development, as I'd like to put it to bed ASAP. (Drop in's welcome too!) Your advice would be valuable and appreciated. Replies on talk link (above) indicated. Thanks! FrankB 18:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Get involved in social nudity naming convention debates![edit]

Hi, I'd like to invite you to get involved in establishing consensus in discussions concerning naming conventions for social nudity topics.

Please join in this community discussion regarding the name of Portal:Clothes free.

Participate here: Portal_talk:Clothes_free#Votes

Please also join in the discussion about what to name an article dealing with social nudity. I believe the the latter term is a better term to use than naturism or nudism as it is more WP:NPOV and is in use currently. Formerly the article was titled Clothes free movement.

Participate here: Talk:Naturism#Move_to_Social_nudity


User:Dandelion (talk|contribs) 19:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

MasterJay RfA[edit]


This feedback is a little late, but I wouldn't normally write this sort of note to a b'crat; I'm doing so because you specifically asked for feedback at RfA talk. First, let me say that I respect your decision, and your boldness in coming out of B'crat inactivity, and that I have already sent my good wishes to Jay on his promotion. That said, I do disagree with your decision; as you'd expect, I did oppose Jay at the RfA. Here's why I oppose your choice:

  • The objections against Jay mostly mentioned his lack of experience -- in all of RfA, this is the easiest objection to remedy. Give him more time, and in two months or so, he was likely to have a unanimous RfA. Since you were last active as B'crat, this has become sorta standard: a good candidate with a few rough edges fails his first RfA, only to be accepted by acclamation a little later (see, using your admin-vision, the now deleted Gator1 RfA's for an example of this.) This allows the candidate to improve, the objectors to feel acknowledged, and the overall product to be a better seasoned admin. By promoting Jay "prematurely" (IMO, of course), this natural growth will now occur while he has admin buttons -- it's no big deal, but I do fear missteps generally in admins promoted too early, missteps that can build needless friction.
  • Many sub-80% promotions, including the Luigi "error", are on 2nd or 3rd RfA's. To me, this makes sense. Any committed editor around here (unless they are a saint) will rub a few folks the wrong way; after waiting long enough, these "old grudges" really shouldn't weigh against a candidate unless there are serious charges underpinning them. By contrast, people opposing on a first RfA aren't very likely to have "grudges" against the candidate -- they are responding with honest feedback hoping for the candidate's improvement.
  • In Jay's case, the concerns weren't just about experience. Seasoned admins and editors came forward to worry about civility, improper reversions, and "campaigning" concerns. When opposers have a wide range of reasons for wanting improvement in the candidate, rather than just repeating the refrain "too new", it is probably a good sign that more editing time for the candidate will benefit all -- he'll learn, we'll see him grow, and everybody can be happy.

It is for these reasons I do feel Jay's promotion was slightly premature and out of step with current practice. Take these observations for whatever you think they're worth, but I do hope you'll consider my tiny nagging voice (as one among the multitudes you've heard from, probably) in the future. Best wishes, Xoloz 17:20, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello from the Mediation Committee[edit]

Dear Mediators Emeriti:

I'm writing to all former/inactive mediators (now called "Mediators Emeriti" to emphasize the ability of any mediator to return at will to active participation on the Committee), to encourage each of you to share your wisdom and experience on the Committee by commenting on requests by new individuals to join the Committee.

The current Committee respects and appreciates the time you spent on the Committee, and the insight you can provide, and encourages you to take part in these discussions. Additionally, any mediator emeritus who has the time and would like to return to active mediation would be welcomed with great enthusiasm.

Yours respectfully, Essjay (TalkConnect) 02:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

(I recognize that many of you left the Committee to go on to other responsibilities, particularly Arbitration and the Board, but we still welcome your input on new committee members and encourage your participation. Please don't feel guilty if you cannot participate; we just want to remind everyone that they are welcome to do so.)

KBO (redux) and WftI (first dux)[edit]


Like Sauron, my Eye roams from thing to thing, and it has of late returned to scan the question of the KBO. There being no article, I started one. Hope you like it. Maybe you can think of an improvement or two...? And similarly, for Waiting for the Interurban. Hope you enjoy them.

On a crypto note, there is another crypto article up for Featured status. You might enjoy it as well. I hasten to add that, uncharacteristically, I've had nothing whatever to do with that one, save to nominate it. ww 16:37, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Having been thinking about Seattle oddities in setting up the two articles above, something else has occurred to me. There was, about 10 years ago, a mushroom building at the S end of The Counterbalance (Queen Anne Hill). It was, as I recall, being remodeled as a restaurant, but the project ran out of funds and stalled. If it's still there, and even if it's not, it seems to me it would be a reasonable article. I have looked around, but haven't found one already existing. For that matter, The Counterbalance itself might merit an article, now that I think about it. Can I interest you? ww 00:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
J, thanks for the input on KBO and WftI. I agree that to say nothing of the dog may not survive a more ruthless editor, hence the hidden text attempt at protection. I've read Willis' book with enjoyment, but JKJ is still hard to beat. I'll keep an eye on the two articles and attempt to keep them up to snuff. Hope someone thinks to take a picture and post it, for both articles. I'd love to see a KBO bumper sticker or T-shirt or both.
Anyway, very glad to have heard from you again. Nice to hear a friendly voice, especially one from the damp corner of the world. ww 20:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

White Deer Hole Creek[edit]

If you have the time and interest, could you please take a look at White Deer Hole Creek and let me know what you think? Except for writing some stubs to get rid of red links, I think it is done, but I fear I am rather prolix. I did get some nice pictures for it - it is a lovely creek. I plan to nominate if for Good Article but would like some feedback first. Thanks Ruhrfisch 04:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)


I'm some impressed to haee corresponded with a bureacrat afore the days of his elevation to the pantheoon. You'll have to tell me what it's like when we finally setttle down with the long tall s0ftdrinks of legend. I see why you weren't up fo rfun at KBO. Best wishes, Looking forwared the softdrink. User:ww 07:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC) (got logged out again!)

RE: Johnny Lee Clary - Please help[edit]

Hey there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article Johnny Lee Clary as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page Johnny Lee Clary was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create J L Clary, after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the J L Clary article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See .

When David Wilkerson came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet David Wilkerson is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, John Clary Wade Watts and Operation Colorblind - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

See: This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

Here are some links that might help. This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:


Also note his contributions: Featured articles: · African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy. · Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edit. Potters house 00:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Nick.

Family in South Africa[edit]

Hi, do you know of any family in South Africa, I knew a family in Clarens, Free State at the Maluti Lodge.. Gregorydavid 10:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Service awards[edit]

Hi Jwrosenzweig! In recognition of your long and extensive editing, you are entitled to these WP:SERVICE awards, and may display either or both (or neither, if you don't go in for that sort of thing). Herostratus 02:32, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Looks like Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle4 will be happening September 9, 2006. - Jmabel | Talk 01:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I lurk semi-frequently, but am overwhelmed at work (plus vandalizing schoolchildren mean my work computer's IP is usually blocked), so I don't have as much time as I used. I hope to contribute more again sometime, but goodness knows when. Thanks for inviting me to the meetup on the 9th despite my absence...sadly a friend's wedding will intervene. My best to those few who still remember me, and keep up the excellent work. :-) Jwrosenzweig 02:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. Hope you are back more some time. And a friend's wedding shouldn't be too sad… - Jmabel | Talk 03:43, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Musicians[edit]

A collaboration is currently underway to establish guidelines for musician and band pages. You input is welcome here.--Esprit15d 20:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


Larrys Creek Covered Bridge.JPG <font=3> Thanks again for your support and comments - Larrys Creek made featured article today!
Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
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Not sure if you are still reading this or not, but I wanted to let you know the news and hope all is well with you. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:53, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks so much for the congratulations and so good to have you back, even in a very limited way. Your message made my evening. I am still kind of surprised Larrys Creek made FA, but I kept finding out more about it and it grew like Topsy. I am busy at work and have gotten my fingers in many pots here, so my progress on the other major Lycoming Couny creeks is slow (plus I was kind of waiting to see how my model creek article turned out). I appreciate your offer and would be glad to help if ever there is anything I can do for you. Take care, Ruhrfisch 03:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

19th Amendment Case[edit]

On the talk page for Nineteenth Amendment, you noted you were interested in finding out what case upheld it. The case was Leser v. Garnett, 258 U.S. 130 (1922). - Flooey 19:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Happy Birthday[edit]

Choco chip cookie.jpg Hungry? Here's a little snack for you on your birthday, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day, Jwrosenzweig/Archive 12!

Have a good one - Ladybirdintheuk 06:22, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Motif of harmful sensation[edit]

Someone has nominated this article for deletion, claiming it's "original research." You noted an interest in it on your talk page. I am going to look for the origin of the phrase. Just thought you might want to weigh in. - Smerdis of Tlön 14:24, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

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Shaun Goater[edit]

Just curious as to why you put "This is a joke, right?" on the talk page of this article. Doesn't really matter but just curious. Whats the joke? Jimmmmmmmmm 23:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok forget that should have checked article history first, silly me. Jimmmmmmmmm 23:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Iris --old message you wrote[edit]

Repsonce to this you wrote in on Irismister's talk page

I never claimed to be in Google, irismeister. And certainly I don't think "not being in Google" means you shouldn't edit here. I merely think it damages your claim to expertise. I did follow your advice -- Google returns no hits for "Dr. Daniel Jipa", "Dr. D. Jipa", "Dr. D. A. Jipa", "Dr Daniel Jipa", "Dr D. Jipa", or "Dr D. A. Jipa".

Actually James, if one does a careful search of Dan Jipa you could find a whole slew of articles written by him: here, here and it's peer reviewed!!, and Here (he worked at wood hole). It's offical James, Iris is a doctor.--Plato 05:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)


Just been a long time since we worked together and wanted to say hello. Hope all is gonig well. -Visorstuff 21:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

re HI[edit]

And the same sentiment from me as well. I'm bothering you since I've encountered a glitch at Talk:Fremont Troll. You can see the histoyr of it in the comments (at the end of the page). Perhaps I could suggest you be one of those who chime in? ww 08:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Walter Mildmay[edit]

I've had a play with and expanded this article which you started in the dim and distant past! Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! (Whisper...) 15:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Presuppositional apologetics FAR[edit]

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Welcome back[edit]

Good to see your name appearing again, on watchlists and recent changes! Hope all is well with you, and best wishes, Antandrus (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

TFA/R revamping[edit]

I have proposed revising the WP:TFA/R process. After the recent rejection of my proposal, I researched Old FAs. You were the nominator of an article that was promoted to WP:FA before 2005, and you continue to be an active wikipedian. Your article has not yet been featured on the main page as a WP:TFA. I am wondering if you have ever made an active effort to get it featured and if you are aware of the new TFA/R procedure, which requires an active request. Please respond to my talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:17, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Some tension appeared - mediation is needed[edit]

Some attack against category Red Army crimes appeared. Discussion is too nervous - article not discussed but deleting procedure started immediately. Some people threaten me starting deleting attack against all my articles. Thanks.

Ttturbo 09:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


I most certainly have not forgotten you, and value your friendship whether you are able to participate much or not. Thanks for the good wishes, and I hope things go well for you in whatever labors you pursue in life. If I can be of assistance ever, feel free to get in touch. --Michael Snow 17:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your note[edit]

Good to see you back. Thanks for your support. I would like to encourage you to volunteer at WP:OTRS. They need more people like you. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 20:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


Hey. There has been a big debate over this policy. I think you have valuable experience that makes you an important interlocutor on this matter. I suggest you first go here for a very concise account, and then depending on how much time you have read over the WP:NOR policy and the edit conflicts that led to its being protected, or the last talk to be archived ... or just go straight to the talk page. If you have time Slrubenstein | Talk 16:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I'm a user of the Italian Wikipedia (it:Utente:Kronin) and I would like to get an account on the English one. I saw that there is already a User:Kronin but I also saw that he hasn't done any edit since when he created his account (April 23). I wonder if it's possible for you, as a bureaucrat, change his name in something else so that I can create a new account as Kronin. I've prefered asking some explanation before making a formal request. Please answer me at it:Discussioni_utente:Kronin (of course also writing in english). I thank you in advance and I apologize if I made some language mistakes but it's been a long time that I haven't spoken English. it:Kronin 13:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, already done it:Kronin 13:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Thanks again[edit]

Hi, just in case you'd not seen it, Larrys Creek will be WP:TFA tomorrow. Thanks again for all your help on it, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:19, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Too often we go through life not knowing the effects we have on others - your kindness very early on probably kept me from giving up on Wikipedia, and your advice on an early version of Larrys Creek was very helpful. These may not seem like much to you, but to me they were (and are) quite significant acts. As for above, I try to be like the tenth leper. Take care, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year[edit]

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Dear James, I wanted to wish you a very Merry Christmas and all the best for the New Year! Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Poetry Roll Call[edit]

WikiProject Poetry is having a revival and we are trying to determine who is still active in the project. If you are, please answer this roll call by placing an *asterisk* next to your name on the list of participants here. Thanks, Wrad 00:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


I saw the comment you left in his talk page about his retirement has he been back since? If you could get back to me that would be great =)


Separate Article for Gray's Elegy[edit]

Dear Jwrosenzweig, I think that Gray's Elegy should have its own article. Are you still interested in doing it, or shall I? I have never before created a new article, and I don't know when I would get around to doing it, but it should be done. How about this: you put something together and I'll help flesh it out? Also, I appreciate your comments on your being a Christian, especially about leaving judgement to God, and your adherence to the primacy of the commandment to love one another. My favorite Bible verse is I John 4:16: "And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him." (My emphasis, of course.) I also admire what the Fourteenth Dalai Lama has said: "My religion is simple; my religion is kindness."McCune (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Quick wave[edit]

I'd like to <wave> quickly, if you're still around. How are you? :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of The Reformation (album)[edit]

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Request for civility[edit]

I would like User:Gwernol to stop harassing me. This Admin has left on my talk page arrogant messages which misrepresented my edits. Gwernol’s latest impudent message[1] is another example. It makes this good edit [2] sound terrible. My edits are as good as anyone else’s. --Chuck Marean 12:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Many thanks for the idea! Actually, User:Pfly seems to have found a source in the meantime. I appreciate it though, it's a good idea, and one I maybe should have thought of. -Pete (talk) 05:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


Hi Jwrosenzweig! I remember a few years ago you were interested in how I was progressing through grad school...well, since then, I've graduated from the MA program, and now I'm in my third year of the PhD program. I'm about to take my Major Field Exam, and then I can start writing my thesis after that. I found my comment in your archives and I was amused that I was once interested in Byzantium; now I'm focusing more on crusader Jerusalem, although I still don't know exactly what I'll write about. Well, anyway, it's nice to see you are still here! Adam Bishop (talk) 06:27, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of L. Victor Allis[edit]

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Research on "Michael Daley" the Poet[edit]

I was wondering if you had any links to some of his works or if he had a personal website with biographical information. I am doing a research paper on him this quarter for my "Live Poets Society" class up at SVC. Basiclly, I am looking for biographical information, poems, and book or poetry reviews. Thanks for any help you can give me. -- (talk) 00:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Seattle meetup 5[edit]

Hi Jwrosenzweig, I see that you've attended some of the previous Seattle meetups. I hope that you can make it to the next one on June 19! Bestchai (talk) 22:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


Hi Mr. Rosenzweig... How do you become an administrator on Wikipedia? Do you simply edit different pages and you get recognized or is everybody an adminisrator right when they sign up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew W. A. Ellis (talkcontribs) 02:14, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig was never certified and should be deleted, do you object to its deletion? MBisanz talk 16:34, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Rebbe Nachman of Breslov[edit]

Hello. I noticed that you were the one who started this page many moons ago. I have decided to submit this article to peer review in order to qualify for Featured Article status. Would you kindly click on the above link and add your comments or suggestions? Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 16 December 2008 (UTC)


Hi! As a bureaucrat on Wikipedia, I'd very much appreciate it if you would fill in your details on the newly updated Bureaucrats page. Thanks! Majorly talk 14:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Data Crystal[edit]

Me and my mate were wondering if there is any way of taking over (becoming a bureaucrat) on this wiki: Data crystal , we are asking you because it has been inactive for a long time, and we were hoping to try and take over to help fix it up. I have tried asking people on this wiki but no one is ever on besides me, the only other contributions are random IP addresses that spam the articles (even more then they already are). If you could please reply on my talk page it would be highly appreciated, thanks (This message has been sent to most bureaucrat's). --MỸŠŦЄЯỸЊӘҒҒ (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back...[edit]

It seems you may be returning to active editing, even if you are too lazy to log-in, as you put it!

You are muchly welcomed. Please do keep an eye on WP:BN - your careful and experienced opinions will be greatly welcomed in our infrequent deliberations. --Dweller (talk) 12:28, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Re-evaluation of bureaucrat status[edit]

Hi there! I'm posting to inform you of an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrat removal, which is of relevance to you as an bureaucrat. The discussion centres around whether bureaucrat status should be considered a 'lifetime' appointment like administrators, or whether bureaucrats should be subject to periodic reconfirmation in a manner more like the stewards. There is also consideration for a separate re-evaluation of the status of those bureaucrats who were promoted in the early days of wikipedia, when the standards at RfB were significantly lower than they are currently, and whether such users still retain the explicit trust of the community.

As an "inactive bureaucrat" (one who has not performed a 'crat action in the past year), we're particularly keen to hear your thoughts on these issues; in particular the following:

  • Do you consider yourself to still be a wikipedia bureaucrat in spirit, or is the flag essentially just a legacy? Do you have any intention of ever returning to being an 'active' bureaucrat?
  • What do you consider your position to be in terms of your 'mandate' from the community, in comparison to more recently-promoted bureaucrats?
  • Would you be amenable to surrendering the bureaucrat flag, or participating in a reconfirmation RfB, if asked to do so? In what circumstances would you consider such an action?

Your thoughts on these, and any other comments you may have, would be very much appreciated. We have set up a section on the discussion page, Wikipedia talk:Bureaucrat removal#'Crat comments, for such responses.

Many thanks in advance, Happymelon 23:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to Meetup/Seattle6, a focus group[edit]

Hello. I'm part of a research group at the University of Washington (Seattle campus), and my group is reaching out to Wikipedians in the Puget Sound area. We're hosting a focus group designed to gather information on what Wikipedians would like to know about each other when interacting on Wikipedia. Our end goal is to create an embedded application that helps people quickly know more about others' history and activity on Wikipedia, and we feel our design will be much more useful if it's based on insights of users like you.

I'm hoping that the chance to help out local researchers, to engage in lively face-to-face discussion with other Seattle Wikipedians, and to contribute to Wikipedia in a new way will entice you to join us.

Willing and able to help us out? RSVP here. Want to know more? Visit our user talk page . Please help us contact other local Wikipedians, too! Commprac01 (talk) 01:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Deleting my account[edit]

While I'm thinking about it, can you tell me how to delete my account? I guess I'm just not up to being a user on here anymore. If you can, thanks! - Ernie and Bert fan (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Photo request[edit]

Would you mind photographing the Alaska Airlines headquarters in SeaTac? Try to get a shot of the building with the Alaska logos visible. If there are no Alaska logos on the building, please try to get a shot of the building with the sign indicating the Alaska HQ in the photo. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Another participant of the Seattle WikiProject has uploaded the Alaska headquarters photos. If you want, you are still welcome to take additional photos. :) WhisperToMe (talk) 00:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)