User talk:Jytdog

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Hello, Jytdog, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! --Edcolins (talk) 18:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Peder Holk Nielsen[edit]

Hi Jytdog, Mihai - social media at Novozymes here. I know you have been a strong contributor to the Novozymes wikipedia page in the past and I wanted to know if you would be interested in contributing to the CEO page for Peder Holk Nielsen. We have a strong list of external references that could help in building it. Mihainovo (talk) 10:09, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Just to add to this, here are some 3rd party articles that describe him and that I think might form a strong base for creating that page. What are your thoughts on this? He is a member of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) G20 CEO Advisory Group [1],a member of the Danish government’s Digitization Council [2] , an advisor to the Foreign Economic Forum under the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Denmark) [3] He was named among 30 Global Game Changers by Forbes (April 2016). [4] and among 100 top business visionaries by Business Insider (June 2016). [5] He was also a finalist in The Fortune Award for Circular Economy Leadership at the World Economic Forum (WEF) Davos Summit 2015 [6]

Mihainovo (talk) 08:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. He seems competent and accomplished. I don't see that he has done anything really interesting that people can learn from. Wikipedia was and is intended to be learning tool. It is not a directory like "who's who". It is not social media. Please do review WP:NOT, which defines what Wikipedia is, and what it is not. I do appreciate that you have asked for volunteer help instead of directly editing, and that you have disclosed your relationship with the company. I appreciate that very much. Jytdog (talk) 11:15, 20 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi Jytdog! Long time!

Wow... I read that you're not paid for your work?!! Unbelievable. I'm really indebted to you for your expertise and TIME.... You were the one who helped me get a grip here more than anyone else.

I got what you were saying on the CBD page about not posting "promising" medical info. What really caught my eye in the 2017 Campos review was, "...clear indications that CBD induces plastic changes similar to clinical antidepressant or atypical antipsychotic drugs, either acutely or repeatedly administered."[7] I've always wondered: what do pharma meds actually do in the brain? Answer (I think): support brain plasticity.

When my son was on 650mg. CBD a day, he said, "My memory is coming back." THAT was a bullseye for me, and this review clarified that action for me. Was the whole Campos et al. review too CRYSTALBALL, or was it my writing, "While the mechanisms are still not well understood..."?

Thank you again - and thank you for your approach, dedication and tireless expertise donated to this site. Amazing.



  1. ^ ICC [1] Page accessed 12 April 2017
  2. ^ Danish government [2] Page accessed 12 April 2017
  3. ^ Danish government [3] Page accessed 12 April 2017
  4. ^ Forbes (April 2016). "Global Game Changers". Forbes. Retrieved 12 April 2017. 
  5. ^ Emmi Martin, Tanza Loudenback and Alexa Pipia (13 June 2016). "Meet the top 100 business visionaries creating value for the world". Business Insider. Retrieved 12 April 2017. 
  6. ^ The Circulars [4] Page accessed 12 April 2017
  7. ^ "Plastic and Neuroprotective Mechanisms Involved in the Therapeutic Effects of Cannabidiol in Psychiatric Disorders". PMID 28588483. 

Misplaced message by Soaringbear[edit]

PANS page requests pharmacology expert and as PhD in that subject I added something. What is your expertise for reverting? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soaringbear (talkcontribs) 16:51, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

If you would like to discuss content, I would be happy to discuss on the relevant talk page, where I posted two days ago: Talk:Pan-assay_interference_compounds#Note. Your question about my expertise and your claims about your own are not appropriate, as you will learn when you have been around longer. Jytdog (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
When a page advises need for pharmacology expertise then my question about your expertise is VERY appropriate, and you show how wierd you are to revert me and refuse to show expertise.
For you to be snooping through my past is wrong in so many ways and for you to not realize it shows how corrupt you are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soaringbear (talkcontribs) 18:44, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. Please do read WP:EXPERT with regard to the whole expertise thing. As for the rest, I replied to that at your Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 18:56, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Don’t shrink me. I gave you NO authority to examine my editing record to psychoanalyze me. You abused your position.

It is obvious now that you were perfectly capable of editing my edit WITHOUT reverting, and the fact that you reverted repeatedly proves that YOU instigated this edit war, not I. YOU are the abuser, and I am disgusted with your abusive manipulative behavior.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Soaringbear (talkcontribs) 02:39, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Edit on Optical coherence tomography[edit]

Hello, you removed my writing on Optical coherence tomography about full-field OCT with "need secondary sources that say this)" I don't get your point as I put lot of references. How can I correct this ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BP-Aegirsson (talkcontribs) 21:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for asking! Wikipedia articles summarize accepted knowledge. We find "accepted knowledge" in what we call "secondary sources", which are references like review papers or book chapters, that themselves summarize knowledge in the field. Tertiary sources like textbooks are OK too. Please avoid assembling your own review of research papers (what we call "primary sources") in Wikipedia -- that is what you did. Does that make sense? Jytdog (talk) 21:55, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

ok I added secondary sources, Hope it's goo now BP-Aegirsson (talk) 02:51, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Dispute resolution[edit]

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding churnalism edits. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! -- (talk) 08:13, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Character counter[edit]

For what it's worth, I'm in complete agreement with you on this. If discussion arises elsewhere, feel free to ping me. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:54, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I keep writing long posts full of cursing and then deleting them. Jytdog (talk) 19:00, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
I know that feeling. bd2412 T 20:14, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Well thanks for trying.
A future alternative may be a more generic VPP RFC about software features needing systematic (advanced tab if need be) preferences toggle option...
I recently also thought about proposing an option to disable all JS, because since recently, if it's blocked on my side, the notifications don't work anymore. This was claimed to be "as expected" when I reported this particular issue; it seems that depending on the User-Agent header details it currently enforces JS-requirement or disables it. Despite the fact that JS-less notifications used to work fine before.
On another front, apparently the current edit counters are also being deprecated for new ones. I today tried one of the future alternatives and it only partly worked, but since it's beta, who knows if that'll ever work properly eventually; WikiEd and the Visual Editor options never worked for me even with JS enabled, possibly again because it expects certain strings in User-Agent; all other sections only show dynamic-loading gif animations.
I could file official reports and track them, but having dealt with tickets, coding and release engineering for a living in the last twenty+ years, I'm sick of it for now... Oh well. This reminds me that I dropped my Google account years ago because of similar BS. —PaleoNeonate - 20:59, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
thanks for your note. yeah this is all hard. i don't know how to improve this situation; everybody is unhappy. i am glad there are as few fuckups as there are. one has to be grateful for that anyway. Jytdog (talk) 21:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Anne Ewing[edit]

Hi Jydog. Since you have quite a bit of experience dealing with COI related stuff, I am wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at Anne Ewing. I stumbled across File:Headshot of Anne Ewing.jpg via another editor's user talk page, and the file's uploader claims that she is Ewing's daughter. The uploader has been contributing to the Ewing article for quite some time, but the mother-daughter connection may not have been clearly stated before. Anyway, I've added a {{uw-coi}} to the editor's user talk (mainly for informational purposes) and a {{COI edit notice}} to the article's talk page (again for informational purposes), but haven't yet gone as far as {{COI}} or {{Connected contributor}}. I skimmed the article and some of it seems a bit WP:NOTMEMORIAL and some of the text is a bit puffy, but she does seem to be notable enough for an article. Do you think, based upon your experience, the article has a serious COI issue which needs to be more concretely addressed? -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:02, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I gave you a compliment[edit]


Best Regards,
Barbara (WVS)   12:35, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for that! Jytdog (talk) 16:20, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Have you seen...[edit]

Yep! I am thinking of trying to do this in that WikiProject instead of starting a new one. I was hesitant to try to graft one thing onto another, but several people have expressed support for that at VPP so am considering. Jytdog (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

About Lecithin editing[edit]

Good day, Jytdog! Unfortunately, your editing is not correct. You equate glycerin and fatty acids. But these are different substances: glycerol is alcohol and phosphoric acid, choline and 2 fatty acids are attached to it. This is one of the molecules of phospholipids that occur in a mixture of lecithin. Glycolipids and triglycerides are other complex molecules existing in the mixture. Best regards Liliya Yu (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Ok. It is better now. Liliya Yu (talk) 08:35, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
yay! Jytdog (talk) 13:15, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Kudpung's talk page. 06:46, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

) Jytdog (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Guild or WikiProject of paid editors[edit]

I don't want you think I belittle your idea. Quite to the contrary. It's the initiative that counts. Just keep the ideas coming - we need them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Now this absolutely hits the nail on the head. I like it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

You think that is worth proposing at NCORP? Jytdog (talk) 13:22, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Question on Wikipedia guidelines[edit]

Hi Jytdog, do you know if there is any Wikipedia guideline that encourages consistency in article format, particularly in introductions? I have made several edits to make the format of articles more consistent with one another, and it seems intuitively better that way, but I have never encountered a policy that encourages or discourages that. Do you know if that exists? Thanks. Michipedian (talk) 18:42, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Not sure what you are asking, exactly. WP:MOS covers style generally, and WP:LEAD covers what you are calling the "introduction" (which should only summarize the body of the article). The sectioning of the body is different for different topics. The various WikiProjects all have subject-specific style guides:
If you look on the relevant article Talk page, there should be WikiProject banners and you can go from them to the project and hunt around for their style guideline.
But broadly speaking, the general rule is that you follow the style established on the page.
But If the article was set up incorrectly based on the WikiProject guideline, changing it is often pretty easy to get consensus for.
Does that answer it? Jytdog (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, that is sufficient. Thank you. Michipedian (talk) 23:41, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Reverting change in "Veganism" article[edit]

Hi Jytdog, This is about the addition of Valluvar as the earliest of vegans. Although researcher are uncertain about his exact year, they consider him to have lived between 4th and 1st centuries BCE (the latest of the proposed dates being c. 31 BCE). I just happened to learn from his famous work, the Tirukkural (see <> for an English translation), that there is a separate chapter on vegetarianism/veganism (there wasn't any difference between the two in ancient India for Indian saints and sages were known for their strict vegetarian diet habits). See the chapter on "The Renunciation of Flesh" in page 31 of the PDF (couplets 251 to 260). Should we not consider this since Valluvar lived more than a millennium before Al-Maʿarri? Thanks for reviewing. Rasnaboy (talk) 17:11, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for talking! But please post at the article talk page; as that is where discussions about content should go, for several reasons. I will reply there, right afterwards. Jytdog (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Odd revert[edit]

Can you explain this and this? The source clearly says 42. There was an error made by myself two months ago. Another editor corrected it but only halfway. I try to correct once and twice and you revert. What exactly are you doing? The edit summary here is especially odd. Please look at the source "Retrieved 13 June 2017." Does this look like 2016? The article is from 5 June 2017, how can it even be accessed in 2016? --Muhandes (talk) 18:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Actually, it wasn't even an error by myself two months ago, it was the 2016 rating. Look at this edit. 48 was the 2016 rating. The rating was updated by the template, this is simply updating the article to agree with the template. --Muhandes (talk) 18:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
The way the infobox is built is invalid. The source says what it says and has the access date it has. The content says it says. These are not in sync. You also didn't change the thing you could have (the year). These ranking sections are a pain in the butt and WP would be way better off without them. The implementation at the Template:Infobox_India_university_ranking is especially problematic, since the refs are in the infobox template, not at the article, so the citation and the content totally fall apart. Jytdog (talk) 18:20, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Now I see, I forgot to change the 2016 to 2017. But this template is the consensus at WP:INEI since 2011. If you don't like it, start discussion there. It's used in hundreds of articles. --Muhandes (talk) 18:23, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
I removed the infobox and added the refs, so now the content (rank AND date given in the text) can be updated, AND the date parameters in the refs can be updated, so the content can actually be supported by the source. Jytdog (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
These rankings are crap content. We should not have them at all. Jytdog (talk) 18:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
I may agree. But there is something called consensus and it doesn't agree with you (or with me). I try to change it in WP:INEI for some time, removing some of the worst ranking, one by one. That template you removed is also part of the consensus. --Muhandes (talk) 18:32, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
If I don't get a response at the template talk page, I will nominate the template for deletion, and I am confident that the en-WP community will delete it. We cannot have a template that forces policy violations. Jytdog (talk) 18:39, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
As I mentioned there, named references on templates aren't uncommon, and they all may cause the same problem if used incorrectly. What we need is not to remove the template, but find a way in which it can be used without invalidating sources. --Muhandes (talk) 19:08, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Reconstructive surgery page[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to thank you for sending me tips on how to edit medical articles. I also wanted to clarify the reasoning for deleting my edits, as well as which specific tips were directed to my edits.

I understand that using medical journals as sources is appropriate, however it is rather challenging to find historical information in these types of sources. And so I used to find historical information about reconstructive surgery. In your opinion, is there a more credible source that can be used?

A big chunk of my edits were just rearranging the article and adding sections since the original page was poorly organized and seemed like a bunch of word vomit with somewhat unrelated content.

Thanks! Jasska1019 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasska1019 (talkcontribs) 18:54, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Glad you found that bit of introduction to Wikipedia helpful! So that site is pretty... crappy. Not awful, but not great. That site, cites sources. Some of those look good.
We strive to aim high and provide really solidly grounded information to the public, so we ourselves need to reach high for the sources we use. I understand you are a student at CoD, which has a decent library, and reference librarians. I suggest you go talk to the reference librarians there and ask them to help you find good, scholarly works on the history of reconstructive surgery - they can also help you get access to anything the library doesn't have via interlibrary loan. They will be so happy! Jytdog (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in 2.[edit]

Hi Jytdog, thanks for replying and continuing the discussion regarding independent sourcing on the International Anti-Corruption Academy (IACA) page. Definitely far better to be discussing than edit warring. But to be honest I still don't fully understand why some sources are seen as independent and others not, or why references to the IACA website are not OK when Wikipedia pages about the UN and other international organizations contain many. I've filed a DR/N request in the hope of better understanding, with the help of you and other Wikipedians, what constitutes independent sourcing. I'm certainly not seeking further conflict - quite the opposite. I think we both share the goal of building a useful page about IACA. Best wishes,Richard.eames (talk) 18:23, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Dear Jytdog, I will be on vacation for the next 2 weeks and won't check in on Wikipedia. My colleague Adrian Ciupagea will step in for me, using his own name. He's also in IACA's communications team, so let me declare his COI here (he will do the same as and when he contributes). Hope we can continue the civil discussion and improve the page. Best, Richard.eames (talk) 15:49, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


If you're going to accuse me of WP:PROMO, then please supply the evidence, otherwise I'd like an apology for that slur. You're now edit-warring against two editors without engaging on the article talk page. Please don't push this further. --RexxS (talk) 17:01, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Nope, not what i am saying. we are discussing this at WT:MED, as noted in my edit note. Please do continue discussing. Jytdog (talk) 17:11, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I realise that I probably had not properly presented what I find so appealing about the initiative, so I've now tried to explain what I was hoping we could do. I don't know how we can find a consensus, but I do hope we can look for a way forward in the same amicable way that we have in the past. Sorry for my irritability. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 17:25, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Sorry to upset you. Jytdog (talk) 18:34, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

You Wanna Get This, or Should I?[edit]

Over at Samuel I count five revert diffs today at David. Are you going to report this one as before, or should I get it? I want to make sure we don't duplicate efforts by both writing something up. Alephb (talk) 18:23, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind. Looks like I was forgetting a rule about how series of edits work. Alephb (talk) 18:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Enough is enough — participate in the conversation[edit]

Talk:David - you're messing w/ conventions that are widely accepted across the board. I don't mean the idea the biblical narrative is fact, I mean the idea these dates are reliable. Time and time again on other pages people have lost arguments about dating because of the sources used to cite them. These sources you removed w/o consensus, and if they work everywhere else, there's no reason they wouldn't work here. You don't get to break convention just because you find the evidence "murky". People think the world is flat, but that doesn't stop it from being round. BedrockPerson (talk) 18:21, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

You are not following mainstream ANE history. That is a problem indeed. And you already have responded to the thread I opened on the Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 18:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Where is Charlie Gard's bad gene?[edit]

Hi there Jytdog!

Thank you for your edits on the Charlie Gard article, but I must strongly disagree with you about one thing: I really think the article needs to mention that the RRM2B gene is located in the nucleus of the cell, not in mitos. I have encountered several non-bio-trained readers and in-person people who think that the bad mutation is part of the mito DNA, and are therefore confused about the recessive nature of the disease. Someone actually tried to tell me that the disease must be inherited only from the mother, because the mitochondrial DNA comes from her! Dead wrong. So I am adding back the sentence pointing out that the gene is located in the nucleus, in (parentheses), with a reference. I am also adding a new section to the TALK page of the article, in case you want to discuss the question further and/or seek consensus from other editors.

Best wishes, HandsomeMrToad (talk) 04:42, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Would you please reply on the article talk page? I have left 2 notes for you there already where you had already agreed to leave it out. You are free to change your mind of course, but please talk at the article talk page -- in the existing section -- instead of trying to force this back in. Jytdog (talk) 04:44, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
OK! I have replied there. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 05:14, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Sorry I missed your 1st note there. Jytdog (talk) 05:16, 29 July 2017 (UTC)
No problem! I am eagerly waiting to see what you think of my reason for wanting to include the info that the gene is located in the nucleus--failing to include that info makes some readers jump to erroneous conclusions about the disease. But I'll look for your response on the TALK page of the article itself. HandsomeMrToad (talk) 05:25, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Archaeogenetics of the Near East and DNA history of EddieDrood sock, editor known for falsifying references and making up terminology not present in references Egypt[edit]

These pages have been edited by[] an EddieDrood sock, an editor known for falsifying references and making up terminology not present in references. See also this talk page. Doug Weller talk 14:31, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Their edits were strange; sophisticated yet wrong and take time to sort. good to know they have been banned Jytdog (talk) 14:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi Jytdog,

I have edited Voriconazole page, which has certain peacock terms. Can you please look into the details? You seem to be an expert and can help in a better and unbiased Voriconazole page. I am waiting for your contributions on the page. Sundartripathi (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Generally fine, but see my changes here; please do review WP:MEDMOS. Thanks for checking in! Jytdog (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Jytdog, Medical uses section is too much detailed and doesn't match with the Journal references. I am not experience on how to edit or what appropriate terms to use. Can you take a look at it? Sundartripathi (talk) 19:21, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Jytdog, just saw your edit on the Medical uses, it seemed perfect and un-biased to me now. Thank you responding immediately. If I see issues on the other pages, can I report it to you (when I am not 100% sure)?Sundartripathi (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
sure. fixing that article has been on my to-do list for a while. Thanks for calling my attention to it. Jytdog (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Inverse Warburg Effect[edit]

Hi, Jytdog I am surprised that you consider the theory ‘fringey’. I am forwarding the messages I sent to Roger Haworth and also to Narutolovehinata5 with links to articles which show the reaction of scientists and scientific journalists. “The theory has generated attention in the scientific community; reports of this work have appeared in scientific publications and the news media. Pertinent news media references are: - Harvard Gazette, 25th Feb. 2015: “A new understanding of Alzheimer’s”, by Peter Reuell ( - Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ), 2nd Aug. 2015 : “Alzheimer: Heilung – wie nah ist man wirklich dran?“, by Joachim Müller-Jung ( - Neue Züricher Zeitung (NZZ), 21st Feb. 2015: „Alzheimer – Sind die Forscher auf dem Irrweg?“, by Theres Lüthi ("

“P.S. Regarding the fringe nature of the theory, here is an article in English, by Prof. Walter Bortz of Stanford Medical school, which you may find relevant:

Moreover, a careful and professional evaluation of the Wikipedia entry should make it clear that the article is encyclopaedic in intent; it is not exclusively concerned with the Inverse Warburg Hypothesis, but is intimately linked with Warburg’s theory of cancer and recent work on autoimmune diseases.

Best wishes Hasperasperagus Hasperasperagus (talk) 18:46, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Wow there is a full court press to publicize this, huffpo and everything. Jytdog (talk) 18:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)


Hi User:Jytdog,

Started editing another page, Posaconazole. I have toned down the intro paragraph and also Medical uses & Pharmacology requires an expert editing. Can you give a look at it? Sundartripathi (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Will do later. You can do this! Just follow MEDRS and MEDMOS. Jytdog (talk) 21:20, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Edited the page Jytdog, now an expert review is required. Sundartripathi (talk) 18:24, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
That was a fine start -- keep at it! There are old primary sources there, and there is no Adverse events section -- you can fix that stuff! Jytdog (talk) 18:41, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Question regarding page move[edit]

Hi, Jytdog. A while ago, I moved Cannabis edibles to Cannabis edible, but I think I did this incorrectly because the talk page did not move with it. Could you please help me by explaining to me the proper method of moving such a page in a method that would also move the talk page or point me to a policy that explains it? Also, if appropriate, could you move the talk page?

I also hope it is OK for me to ask you questions like this. If it is not, could you direct me to an editor to whom it would be appropriate for me to ask these types of questions? Thanks. Michipedian (talk) 03:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure it is OK. Oy you did what we call a "copy/paste move" which is a bad thing for a bunch of reasons but mostly because it leaves the history of the former page location behind. There is a function called "page move"' that does the rename, and brings over the Talk page, and all the history of both pages. There is a thing that admins can do where they merge the histories. I will request that. I have done a copy/paste move of the Talk page so they will have parallel situations on each page.
This whole shebang is explained - including how to actually do the "page move" - at WP:Page move. Jytdog (talk) 04:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Excellent. Sorry for the copy/paste move, and thank you! Michipedian (talk) 20:59, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
No problem! Jytdog (talk) 21:10, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Franklin v. Parke-Davis[edit]

I don't understand your deletions in the Franklin v Parke Davis article. You removed relevant, pertinent additions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JamieEdel (talkcontribs) 03:19, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for your note! I replied at the article talk page, Talk:Franklin_v._Parke-Davis#Celgene_content - please see there, and you can reply there. Jytdog (talk) 03:42, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Magnetic Therapy[edit]

Hello! Yes, I came across a post on some Japanese acupuncturist and wanted to update the section here on Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if I referenced it right or if the source was the best one. If you can fix it, please do so, and or show me a better way to reference it. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humberto Valle (talkcontribs) 13:43, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Would you please reply to the message I left at your talk page? thx Jytdog (talk) 14:22, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Cuneiform Records Catalog[edit]

Jytdog, the information in this panel is *not* available on the website (did you check?) which is why organizing it and collating it makes sense for Wiki. There are dozens and dozens of small record labels (ECM, Obscure Records, etc.) with catalog listings on Wiki and Cuneiform is right in line with Wikipedia policy on that. In the future you should put something like this up for discussion, per Wiki policy, rather than unilaterally taking it upon yourself to make changes without any consensus. This issue has been discussed, extensively, in previous years by previous editors and the Cuneiform catalog has been restored each time. Do yourself a favor, read the history.Rcarlberg (talk)

There is a discussion on the talk page, please join in it. If you continue to abuse that page for promotional purposes I will just nominate it for deletion; it is not notable enough to be worth the bother. Jytdog (talk) 01:54, 3 August 2017 (UTC)


I posted a couple of questions for you at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene Freidman. Just letting you know here in case you thought it was rhetorical. Thanks. World's Lamest Critic (talk) 22:21, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

ANI advice[edit]

Wikipedia:The Last Word. (And your latest comments also reverted what I had said.) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:56, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

my apologies. Jytdog (talk) 00:09, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I restored it, no biggy. What matters more is that you are really stepping on your own message. Put another way: shut the f--- up. See also Logorrhea (rhetoric). --Tryptofish (talk) 00:11, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
OK thanks. Jytdog (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I saw what you said about feeling upset, and you are in good company [5]. That's from when I was first starting to edit, nowhere as experienced as you are now. ANI ain't gonna help you. I got over it, and so will you. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:04, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I have to ditto Trypto on this one. Nothing is going to help you Jytdog by adding more to the ANI at this point. ANI really isn't that great at dealing with behavior issues really mired in content disputes or picking up on COI aspersions. Your best bet is to let the dust settle on this one and keep track of concise instances if the problems persist in the future. It's just too much of a wall of text at this point for anything to be gained, and I see your frustration in all that. Kingofaces43 (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
  • thanks to both of you. i have heard your criticisms as well. Jytdog (talk) 23:28, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

MEDRS Help[edit]

Hello, recently I decided to create an account instead of editing as a "IP". I have come across your name a few times now and am impressed at your dedication to medical article and enjoyed your articles on MEDRS. I was wondering if you could weight in on the article Crane_climbing as another editor feels that including a Globe and Mail Opinion article written by a researcher that discusses a concept he created called "Type T" personalities. The other editor has stated that this isn't an opinion article and wants to re-include it. I will say I have run into this editor twice now and they have decided the best course of action is to try and discredit myself rather than comment on the content. Thank you! CommotioCerebri (talk) 16:37, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I'm not interested in that. Jytdog (talk) 17:23, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
(talk page gnome) @CommotioCerebri: if the article's talk page is not enough, more public venues that could bring attention to the article would be one of the noticeboards, like WP:RSN to discuss sources, WP:POVN for neutrality issues or WP:FTN for fringe issues. There is also WP:3O to request third party opinion. I hope this helps, —PaleoNeonate – 01:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Adam and Eve[edit]

I've run into a little problem on the Adam and Eve talk page with an editor you're taking to ANI. Just wondering if you're aware that article is protected so no one can make corrections? Would you be interested in reading my exchange with this editor on the talk page for Adam and Eve and on my talk page? Thanks. Nameshmame (talk) 03:42, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. What you are doing here is called WP:CANVASSING and it is not OK. You should read dispute resolution and use one of the procedures there to resolve the dispute you are in. Jytdog (talk) 03:48, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
I'll pass on that. Wikipedia stole two years of my life beginning in 2009. I just thought this correction was worth fighting for, but you people are not going to suck me in again. "This is not OK" indeed! Nameshmame (talk) 12:26, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
people going and finding "allies" and bringing them to the site of conflict in order to "win" is not what this place is about. what you did above is a human thing to do, which is why the community wrote CANVASSING to guide away from that and DR to guide toward what people should do. i do understand that it is hard to figure out the way you should do things. Jytdog (talk) 14:15, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
If that's what you think I was doing that's your problem. In fact this whole diabolical pseudo-encyclopedia is your problem. Have fun with it! Nameshmame (talk) 16:43, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Not a Joe job (this time)[edit]

Re the IP editor on an admin's talkpage today, the past contribs match the claimed identity. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:24, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Yeah i noticed that too... :) Jytdog (talk) 22:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
The conversation never happened, you saw swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus. I'm just a little creeped out. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:52, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Edit requests[edit]

Thank you for your feedback on my recent responses to certain edit requests. To suggest that someone "doesn't know how Wikipedia works," clearly shows that you have not looked at my complete page history as well as my talk page history for other messages. Just FYI, because you seemed very demeaning to me in your second message to me overnight.

Also, I'd like to give you a tip for future requests in case you didn't know. AnomieBOT keeps track of these edit requests, which is how I've been replying to some edit requests. Since I'm extended-confirmed, I am currently keeping track of the tables at EPERTable, SPERTable, and EDITREQTable (the latter of which in the past month has been heavily backlogged.) This is how I've been responding to edit requests, much of them with the mistake of reading too fast, as you suggested in my first message to me. There's also TPERTable in case your permissions allow you to respond to such edit requests. Good luck with future responses to requests! Face-smile.svg jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 00:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I will start reviewing your other responses. If they are as bad as these two were - which were in no way good, something is going to have to change. Jytdog (talk) 00:30, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


Hello! I noticed you have been discussing Rigvir article (, and I was wondering if you could have a look at the article now and maybe advise on further improvements or corrections? I checked the article revision and discussion history, tried to clean it up, removed the unsourced claims and added some new sources from Latvian media, but as a Wiki beginner I am not certain these would be accepted as a good source or considered a breach of original research rule, POV rule, and I would really appreciate a second opinion or guidance. Any thoughts or advice?--KC LV (talk) 12:58, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I will do. Working on that article has been on my to-do list for a long time.Jytdog (talk) 14:05, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


Hi again,

I have been reviewing WP:MEDMOS as you have suggested, Is it correct to mention the price of a drug? It appears like a peacock term indirectly promoting drug over other competitive drugs. Another drug page of Pfizer, clearly needs your expert attention. Apologizes for bothering you again and again. Sundartripathi (talk) 19:25, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

There are some editors who are very concerned about drug pricing for various reason and add content about drug pricing. Sometimes that is because it is very expensive and that was discussed in sources; others do this about generic drugs (for instance, public health authorities can use this content to help them make decisions). This is fine to include as long as it reliably sourced and summarizes what the sources say. This content goes in the "Society and culture" section and sometimes that content is also summarized in the LEAD. That is all fine. Jytdog (talk) 19:34, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) It's generally best to add pricing when it is sourced to secondary sources that comment about the pricing, but not when the only sourcing is the manufacturer themselves. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


Returning the favor...

Thank you for sharing your oppinions on my talk page. I havent forgotten about the article "Schizophrenia", yet. :) To show here in short, how it is nonNPOV, here another little link: [1]

I am well and able to discuss said article and the article alone (along with a COI within the authors conscience and scientific reasoning), but the provided link should show for now, that there is another "accepted scientific reasoning", than the cherry picked mix of primary works, it is now. If nobody consents on an unbiased rewrite, i will either show an alternate citation to each false claim within the current article or propose an alternate rewrite on my own ( or do nothing at all or both). :)

Writing as a "Survivor of Psychiatry" (as of yet :)) :


--Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 04:33, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Concrete proposals for content, sourced per MEDRS, are very welcome! Jytdog (talk) 04:39, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for playing nice, i will study "MEDRS" immediately and take it into account, but want to add that this (mental health and modern psychiatry) is bigger than a few rules of conduct). For example, this article is very good: <html></html> ... but wikirules probably dont like the site and it is good but original research. Would it help to cite the mentioned books? Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 10:41, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, but i cannot find "MEDRS", if you could link it, please. But i took a short look at NOR and apparently, it doesnt relate to talk pages. :) So i think i had the right to be a bit angry, but want to say sorry, for being derogative to you and LiteratureGeek, anyway... Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 11:06, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Another article by the same author, this time with many valid citations, i guess... <html></html> I could write a good "critic"-section for "schizophrenia" and "neuroleptics" from that, but would recommend to rewrite the "schizophrenia" to include the times before modern psychiatry, if it is possible. Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 12:50, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

WP:MEDRS. This applies to content about diseases/conditions, treatment, epidemiology, and the like -- statements of fact about health, including mental health. Descriptions of history (e.g. the history of psychiatric treatments) need sourcing per plain old WP:RS. As you know the ideas in Mad in America are not mainstream (it positions itself as attempting to reform the mainstream). Please be aware of the WP:NPOV policy - we give what we call "weight" (space and emphasis) to views according to their weight in the literature. So non-mainstream views by definition get less weight. Every editor is obligated to engage with all the literature, not just a sliver of it. That is the hard work and rigor of editing WP. I hope that makes sense... Jytdog (talk) 13:39, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks again, i will learn all three links, but meant that these articles hold many scientific valid citations (i could use them and take their inner citations with the same outcome). Also "weight in the literature" is not very scientific, as is "mainstream", for example i am well aware that the "dopamine-hypothesys" has many papers citing it, but it is already debunked by older (cited above) but very valid literature. In addition, NPOV surely should encompass critic views of "mainstream", but i would be happy with a small critic/alternate views section as i am lazy as ****, anyway. :) It would be nice if you would read the "MIA" articles, when you find the time to see what i mean with "very valid" and such. In addition, i was sent two other links i want to backup and address here: <html></html> <html></html> Off course, you can "cut&copy" this whole paragraph to the schizophrenia talk page, if you wish. Happy Sunday, Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 06:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

OK, "MEDRS" might stifle us a bit, but we will cope with that. The WHO on the subject:<html></html> Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 08:31, 13 August 2017 (UTC) I cite from "Sumarize scientific consensus": "Finally, make readers aware of controversies that are stated in reliable sources. A well-referenced article will point to specific journal articles or specific theories proposed by specific researchers." (This should allow for the inclusion of the above mentioned sources, but i need to read on...) Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 08:40, 13 August 2017 (UTC) Per "MEDRS-Assess evidence quality", i include articles on toxicity: <html></html> <html></html> On TRS and clozapine: <html></html> On minimal use of neuroleptics: <html></html> Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC) Some citations on the prevalence of traumata in mental health and a very good read for outsiders: <html></html> Oldd, but a review article: <html></html> Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 23:51, 13 August 2017 (UTC) A collection of links, to be regarded for inclusion: <html></html> Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 10:43, 15 August 2017 (UTC) A very definitive statement from the UN :: <html></html> Nradabhatse die Katze (talk) 20:23, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

What is the specific content you are looking to add? These drug articles all have sections on side effects.. Do not post any more links to madinamerica here please. Jytdog (talk) 20:43, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
He/she is an WP:ACTIVIST. He/she is not interested in playing by the rules of Wikipedia. Tgeorgescu (talk) 21:15, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

'How to do good' draft article[edit]

Hello and hope all is well. You were really helpful to me when I was starting out and I really appreciate your polite and friendly manner and I know that what you say is constructive not destructive. I thought I saw a comment from you about the article I resubmitted as above. But I can't find it now. Am I seeing things? Anyway to sum up I thought you said (very nicely) that you thought I was too close to the subject and that I had even filled in links to FB and twitter. I thought it was good to put external links at the bottom? I am absolutely fine to remove them. Also yes I am close to the subject but I genuinely and deeply believe that this is as valuable as many of the pages I see all the time. However I seem to have a style or manner problem so could you please, please, please help me edit it for me so it passes muster? Even if it ends up at this time as just a few lines? Of course, I am sure you are really busy with your own work and edits so quite understand if you can't help.

I have so many ideas of things I want to write about and edit but I am feeling there is no point if it just ends up being an exercise in failure so I want to get this right before moving on.

Many thanks for any help you can give me.ECURBEC (talk) 09:43, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

I commented on the draft talk page. Please do see WP:ELNO about the social media links. I'll take a crack at the draft later today or tomorrow. Jytdog (talk) 15:58, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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While my TBAN doesn't expire until the 27th of this month, I was wondering if photo like this would be usable as an article image. It says that it is "Open access distributed under the creative commons license", but I just want to check. Thanks ahead of time Petergstrom (talk) 03:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

A TBAN means you don't deal with this stuff, at all. Happy to discuss this when the TBAN is over. Jytdog (talk) 03:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I was just curious as to the wikipedia policy, surely that isn't part of the TBAN??Petergstrom (talk) 03:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Part of your TBAN was because you refuse to listen to other people and to actually pay attention to community norms. You have not learned anything, it seems. Jytdog (talk) 03:53, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I was just clarifying what you said. I wasn't sure if I had clearly written what I intended to, or if this was actually a part of the policy. My bad.Petergstrom (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Book of Joshua[edit]

Your recent additions on the article Book of Joshua could use further copyediting. You describe a city as "an early battled". Should this be battlefield? Dimadick (talk) 00:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, will go look again! Jytdog (talk) 00:27, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptian DNA[edit]

Greetings! An account has been messing around with the finalized wording on the recent ancient Egyptian DNA analysis. Could you please have a look here? Kind Regards-- Soupforone (talk) 04:19, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

r.e. AI accelerators[edit]

hi, you considered that the link to 'rockstart' was spam, but the rationale comes from elsewhere: see this discussion:

from this article

now referenced from this DAB to clear things up (as per the request)

it might have looked like it was spamming 'rockstart' but listing others would make it more neutral? (e.g.

Tangentially it's also bugging me that this article has the term 'hardware accelerator' which also bring ambiguity to a computer hardware term. MfortyoneA (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

I hear you on the terminology. I fixed the problem at the disambig article. It is not clear to me that the startup accelerator article should exist - most of the sourcing is very bad and it should probably merged into the incubator article.. Will look later today. gotta do RW stuff now. Jytdog (talk) 14:38, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Just in case you haven't seen it[edit]

There's an article in Breitbart "Wikipedia’s Left-Wing Editors Attempt to Minimize Evidence Supporting Google Memo" that mentions your user name as well as User:NorthBySouthBaranof and User:Nanite, purportedly written by User:The Devil's Advocate. I'm just letting you know that this has been published, but if there is anything I can do to help, e.g. if you view the article as harassment, please let me know.

Sincerely, Smallbones(smalltalk) 14:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. Jytdog (talk) 14:38, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm adding pings here to Aquillion and Volunteer Marek, who are also mentioned there. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
there's an ani discussion about it already too. Jytdog (talk) 18:04, 15 August 2017 (UTC)


I wanted to tell you thank you for catching that Steve Friesan quote. It was from the original article and I thought I had caught all of those--but that might not be the only one I missed! I went through and checked every reference--but have not checked everything that failed to be referenced. You really are a great editor. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. Jytdog (talk) 22:52, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

"Porter Novelli"[edit]

Hello! Thank you for taking the time to look at my edit requests at Talk:Porter_Novelli. I know you felt my requests were insufficiently neutral, but I’m hoping you’ll be willing to take a second look at a few of them—the infobox, the lead and the History section. I believe these edits would add sources and accurate information to parts of the article that are currently underdeveloped. Hopefully we can reach an agreement. Thank you! AngelaMPena (talk) 21:47, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

I'll make an additional reply there. Jytdog (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Reverted Section[edit]

Hi Jytdog, I inserted a section about surgery costs here. You reverted my changed with the comment "unreliable source". What does that mean? The source is a page maintained by a specialist in his field with dozens of years of experience, best references (see here and a chair in an association of leg experts (Gesellschaft für Fuß- und Sprunggelenkchirurgie e.V. (GFFC), see here). If that's not trusty what else? What do you mean?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Basbert (talkcontribs) 14:07, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

in general having content about costs is fine. with regard to the source... the people selling the "precise nail" have been adding spam and promotional content to this article and its predecessors for years as have various individual doctors. We are not using spam like as a reference. Please see WP:PROMO and if you have a relationship with the specialist or his practice or the people selling the precise nail device, please disclose it per WP:COI and WP:PAID. Jytdog (talk) 14:13, 17 August 2017 (UTC)