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Sinhalese people[edit]

Hi my name is White Mobile

I deleted a section of the 'sinhalese people' article because it states that the current sinhalese are the aborignals mixed with aryans from the north. However this is not correct. This is due to the many studies which can be seen on the wikipedia page 'Genetic studies on Sinhalese' and many other websites which all state that the Sinhalses are of bengali descent and although they have many contributions the native sri lankan aborigingal gene proportion found in the sinhalese is muinute. This therefore contradicts what is stated on this website. I then decided to see for myself where this incorrect data was sourced from and found it was from a sinhalese hritage website. These websites often like to say that the sinhalese are of aboriginal descent for their own means and thus if you were to search elsewhere would find no other factual evidence has shown the same message but actually quite the contrary. Therefore i deleted a section of the article so that it would not mislead people to fact. This was why i made these changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitemobile (talkcontribs) 21:39, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time in explaining this. The thing to do now, if you haven't done so already is to repeat what you have written above on the article talkpage, and if possible find a reliable reference for the genetic studies. Actually I don't see much conflict in what the article says and your claims. The phrasing can be rewritten to emphasise that these claims are part of the national mythology and folklore which is not supported by recent genetic studies. --KTo288 (talk) 21:58, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

That is true it does not confict much but i believe it would be better and more easier for readers if multiple claims were not laid down. There is a seperate article for that and i thought that for some readers that do not focus much they would take this in the wrong way and interpret it wrong and believe it is factual rather than ideological. My reference is which shows the genetic makeup of the sinhalese people and all the studies on their show little genetic input into the sinhalese population. Therefore the ideas stated that they descend from the aboriginals is incorrect. Thanks you though for showing me ow to do this since i only just started editing and i'm quite new to this all :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whitemobile (talkcontribs) 22:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry we were all new to this at one time. But for the moment an you refrain from editing the article until tomorrow. We have something called the 3 revert rule which means, you shouldn't revert an article more than 3 times in a 24 hour period. I'm working on a form of words that should serve as an acceptable compromise, please be patient.--KTo288 (talk) 22:38, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Sure no problem sorry for any inconvienience caused Whitemobile (talk) 00:18, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

No problem at all, sometimes what an article needs is a fresh pair of eyes to look at it, and call out the inconsistencies and misstatements, and I agree with you this one needed it. Its just that on contentious articles (you can tell its contentious because it was protected with pending edits review) in order to carry the community major changes should either first be discussed, or be referenced. I hope this experience doesn't put you off from editing. Anyway have fun, and when you have time have a read of the editing guidelines in the welcome package.KTo288 (talk) 10:34, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Zenana missions[edit]

Hello, It is a long time since the CZEMS was merged into the Zenana article; perhaps its notability was doubtful then, as it still seems to be. Most of the time I do not pay much attention to Wikisource and do not know the recommended method of citing it so those citatons may look somewhat odd. I noticed it this time because it was an unassessed Anglicanism article and first I found the Commons img, then thought of Wikisource and found much more than expected. Here is a book published by CEZMS 27 Chancery Lane, London:Chopsticks; by F. I. Codrington [1928]; and 2 more: Macfee, K. J. & Codrington, Florence I. Eastern Schools and Schoolgirls. An account of the educational work of the Church of England Zenana Missionary Society, CEZMS, [1927] // Codrington, Florence I. Hot-Hearted: some women builders of the Chinese Church. CEZMS, [1934] (these two from the British Library catalogue).--Johnsoniensis (talk) 15:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Notability wise it seems to be a small part of then large English speaking Anglican community, but a large part of the Chinese speaking Anglican community. Individual members of the Anglican and Baptist societies, and the schools they found!d and ran, are also considered to be notable in their own right. Which is a bit of a new one for me, editing Kpop bands, I usually encounter the argument "notability is not inherited" with regards the band may be notable but not the individual members. In this case the "notability is not inherited" argument would mean that the individual members are notable but the organisations they belonged to are not.--KTo288 (talk) 15:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit to Islam page[edit]

Hey HTo288! I'm new and I wanted to ask, are you muslim? Cuz I saw you edit the "Islam" page. ~Avatar Raava.

No, but I do have the greatest of respects for that faith, and most of its adherents.--KTo288 (talk) 15:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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please do come talk. And i see your edit note where you wrote "revert again see you in 24 hours". If you revert again after 24 hours, you will still be open to a 3RR action as the policy explictly discusses intentional gaming of the 24 hour limit, as you just acknowledged you intend to do. Please discuss on Talk - that is what we do here when there is a disagreement about content. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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A very beautiful Nectarine Pie.jpg Hey, I enjoyed reading your user page. Have a pie. :) DangerousJXD (talk) 08:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll have it for elevenses.--KTo288 (talk) 08:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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yes work in progress, wasn't expecting it to be reviewed so quickly.--KTo288 (talk) 23:16, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks for the headsup.--KTo288 (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem. And thanks for weighing in.
re "just that it isn't the one they most commonly associate with her," - I think we're arguing it isn't the one the sources most commonly associate with her. That's how WP:COMMONNAME works. NickCT (talk) 03:47, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Having to sit on my hands to do it, but for my own sanity, I'm not going to comment on this further. Willing to just let the poll play out.--KTo288 (talk) 07:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Sanity is overrated. NickCT (talk) 12:35, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Seeing this, I've just got to keep telling myself "...I have the willpower to not make cheap jibes, I have the willpower to not make cheap jibes, I have the willpower to not make cheap jibes, I have the willpower to not make cheap jibes..." Sod it. That e...(sits on hands again before its too late).--KTo288 (talk) 14:57, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

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Template Indian Navy Ship Classes[edit]

I made the edit about info on Midget submarines. I named it Indian SOVs Because the proposed submarine Project is named "Strategic Operating Vessels" and no official name yet given to the individual boats. You could verify it in the corresponding Article.M.srihari (talk) 07:48, 28 May 2015 (UTC)Srihari

@M.srihari: I know. But the article is wrong, if you look at the source cited for the name (Dutta, Sujan (26 October 2014). "‘Midgets’ on navy mind". The Telegraph. ) used, the name "Strategic Operating Vessels" (SOV) does not appear, rather the article refers to “special operations boats/swimmer delivery vehicle” SOB/SDV, the source has been misrepresented. I have renamed the article to Indian Navy Swimmer Delivery Vehicle, and will edit the template to reflect this. However I want to make sure that all the articles using the "Strategic Operating Vessels name are corrected, however this is complicated by the fact that most of the articles have the link via the template rather than in the article body, rather than checknevery single incoming page I want to give a chance for the database to update, and just edit those pages which link to the article.--KTo288 (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
yes, I saw this classification in media reports. I will try to make edits in other articles that use the term SOV. Thank you for your explanation.Face-smile.svg Regards--M.srihari (talk) 10:46, 28 May 2015 (UTC)Srihari
You're welcome.--KTo288 (talk) 19:08, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Supercarrier Dispute[edit]

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If I were to comment, my comment would be along the lines that it is pre-mature to get into such disputes about a ship that not only hasn't yet been laid down, but which may never be built. It will be the best part of a decade before anything is decided, there'll be plenty of time later to fix the article between now and then, as sourrcesvand better ones become available.--KTo288 (talk) 20:17, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Sir, there are 2 ongoing issues in the supercarrier. I request your opinion on both. I wish you could express it in the Supercarrier Talk Page because the discussion is frozen for a very long time.M.srihari (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2015 (UTC)Srihari

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Talk:CY Leung as Chief Executive of Hong Kong[edit]

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Ottoman Empire[edit]

Why are you removing the flags of countries that once were part of the ottoman empire. What you are doing is vandalism. --User: KTo288

Not me, check the diffs, and even if it was me,it would not necessarily be vandalism.--KTo288 (talk) 20:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Kunlun company[edit]

Your article “kunlun company” was malicious deleted by the PRehse who deleted my article more times.--User : pp KTo288

Not my article, no one owns articles, just one I happened to work on. PRehse didn't delete the article just nominated it for speedy because it was a recreation of an article previously deleted after a deletion discussion. The thing to do is not endlessly recreate exactly the same article, but to create a new article which addresses the concerns raised by the discussion namely lack of reputable third party sources and proof of notability. Pretty difficult at the moment, I looked and could find only three sources I could use. My advice is to maybe wait a year, either the company will run out of cash and fizzle away into the aether or it will gain traction, and will gain more coverage that can be used. At that time if it can be demonstrated that the issues raised in the deletion discussion no longer apply, an article can be created that will survive. Until then best wishes and don't take anything wikiwise personally.--KTo288 (talk) 00:47, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Please help this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kk2010123 (talkcontribs) 06:11, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Kids Company[edit]

I will be editing the article again tonight (if not, more likely than not, someone else will). Best to leave it as it is. -- Urquhartnite (talk) 18:10, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

@Urquhartnite: "It is announced on 5 August 2015", grates, it reads like historical present tense reads and looks out of place. "It was announced on 5 August 2015" is a better match. If you want to keep it in the present tense try "Kids Company announced on 5 August 2015"
See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Relative_time_references with regards using words that will date e.g. currently, recently e.t.c..--KTo288 (talk) 18:26, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Talk:228 Incident[edit]

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User:Yann article under construction, creatung the redirect was to get the undashed version used in an article to goto the new page to the name space.--KTo288 (talk)
User:Yann I guess its the Christmas Holidays and everyone has too much time on their hands, I've always done article creation in mainspace with the underconstruction template,without a hitch, whats with patrolling and deleting from the top of the new pages today.--KTo288 (talk) 11:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

WP:PERM Request[edit]

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In regard to your notes at WP:PERM, as you know the project has changed a lot in the almost decade you have been editing! Even with +autopatroll I think you will still run in to the problem you mentioned at WP:PERM. I highly suggest you do your initial drafts in personal sandbox if you want to avoid other editors during your initial article creation. — xaosflux Talk 03:31, 15 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks.--KTo288 (talk) 10:05, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Image removal[edit]

Hi, KTo288 - You removed File:Kerry_Fonda_2004_election_photo.jpg using the rationale in your edit summary that (fair use rationale of copyrighted image does not include its use in this article, add link to see also) The license for that image states that use of the work to illustrate the subject in question' where no free equivalent is available to adequately give the same information qualifies as fair use under US copyright law. While I am not a copyright attorney, I am well-versed in copyright law after having experienced several copyvio cases (never as a defendant) during my 30+ year career as a photog and television producer. It appears to me that your rationale for removing the subject image contradicts the license rationale as follows: The image was used to specifically illustrate the subject, i.e. Kerry being added to a photograph to make it appear he attended a political rally he did not attend. The photograph was used specifically to illustrate the subject in question in the sections, "Use in journalism" and "Political and ethical issues". Since you are an admin at Commons, will you please explain why you think your argument for removal is any more valid than the argument to keep per the license? Also, if use of that image makes it subject to wiki-lawyering with each use, then please explain why it is allowed to remain on Commons. Thank you in advance....Atsme📞📧 17:21, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Atsme: Wikipedia policy is that a non free image should never be used when a free one can be used instead (...only use non-free content as a last resort.). On the Photo manipulation page the focus is on the techniques, history and rationale of photo manipulation, and the inclusion of this file there serves merely as another example amongst the many other free pictures on the page, including composite images, so the removal of this file does not adversely affect the understanding of this article. The file was not removed from Kerry Fonda 2004 election photo controversy were it is absolutely essential to the understanding of that article, and fair use of it is outlined at File:Kerry Fonda 2004 election photo.jpg, note that, in the description, justification of using this file, is only for this article. That it has a fair use license for this one article, does not mean it can be used as such in all other articles. I'm not a copyright lawyer, nor do I work with images and copyright on a professional basis, but I am a volunteer admin at Commons, and have dealt with the copyrights of free and non free works as they relate to the Wikimedia projects for a number of years now. If you want, you may consider asking for the adding of Photo manipulation to the articles that this file is authorised for at Wikipedia:Non-free content review--KTo288 (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
p.s. The image is not hosted at Commons, but directly here on Wikipedia. All non free images used in Wikipedia are held here rather than at Commons, and a much greater limitation on their use here is imposed, compared to a Commons file.--KTo288 (talk) 18:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
The section Use in journalism in Photo manipulation states, Image manipulation software has effected the level of trust many viewers once had in the aphorism, the camera never lies. Images may be manipulated for fun, aesthetic reasons, or to improve the appearance of a subject but not all image manipulation is innocuous as evidenced by the Kerry Fonda 2004 election photo controversy. The image in question was a fraudulent composite image of John Kerry taken on June 13, 1971 and Jane Fonda taken in August, 1972 sharing the same platform at a 1971 antiwar rally; the latter of which carried a fake Associated Press credit with the intent to change the public's perspective of reality. The photo serves a legitimate need in the manipulation article considering there are two sections that directly address the repercussions of such manipulation. I was not previously aware that we had Kerry Fonda 2004 election photo controversy - apologies for my negligence in not noting where the photo was being used, or that it was not uploaded to Commons - but now that I've seen it, I question whether the photo controversy article meets GNG requirements per ...a topic is "notable" in Wikipedia terms only if the outside world has already "taken notice of it". As such, brief bursts of news coverage may not be sufficient signs of notability, while sustained coverage would be, as described by notability of events. It was basically a one-time news event, a private photog sued, and nothing else came of it beyond a bit of politically motivated "play" and I doubt that it's appropriate to use the encyclopedia for that purpose. I'm thinking that article should probably be merged with the Photo manipulation article as it will eliminate the "newsy" political bent, reflects more of an encyclopedic approach and serves to demonstrate such manipulations can also be political without making politics the main topic. What are your thoughts on the matter? Atsme📞📧 21:40, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Personally I'd be against a merge, the Kerry case in the context of photo manipulation as a whole is just one example amongst others, and argues against the keeping of a non free file, the Kerry article has been around since 2007 and I don't see much wrong with it, but don't claim ownership of either, if you want can add {{mergeto|Photo manipulation}} template to the Kerrt article and see what others think.--KTo288 (talk) 20:18, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes, please? I think it's worth getting input based on the GNG aspect and the potential for it setting the standard for what WP accepts despite the political slant. I shudder to think about the number of political photo manipulations there are on the internet, some of which may end up being articles if they aren't already, and all using the argument that was used for the Kerry photo. The following link examples a tiny bit of it, [1]. It's flash-news; here today, gone tomorrow, the latter of which is noncompliant with GNG, not to mention the political aspects of various advocacies. Atsme📞📧 21:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

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Your participation in Har Cheong Gai, I appreciate. Thank you. Lee788 (talk) 09:11, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome, only problem with working on that article is that I'm hankering after some. Being in the UK I'll have to make my own though, and I don't know if I can make them taste right.--KTo288 (talk) 10:30, 3 February 2016 (UTC)