User talk:Kafka Liz

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I strongly believe you're owed an apology. You've been editing here for years, are an incredibly strong editor, and you are a person. You are your own person and for this community to condone that insult toward is beyond anything I can accept. I could say a lot more, but wanted to post to your page tonight. I am so very sorry this happened to you. When Maria (Yllosubmarine) got fed up and I left a pic of a strong drink on her page, so consider yourself owed the same. I'm more than a little upset to see the black tag on your page, but do understand. Take care and best. Victoria (tk) 00:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

I have no idea what happened but this is terrible. Kafka Liz, precious: I miss you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

  • I'm surprised to see this, too; like Gerda above, I have no idea what's happened and it is both saddening and terrible to see a "Retired" banner here. I hope everything's okay. Acalamari 11:36, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
  • You're the best.....we need you...Modernist (talk) 12:05, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Better late than never. Here's a nice Merlot (with two glasses for two editors). If your ears are ringing it's because I mentioned you on my talk - I know, I know, I did the pingie thingie, but it's nice and polite to stop by. Plus I wanted to deliver the promised drink. Take care. Victoria (tk) 23:29, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Very sorry if this is the case! I missed any row. All the best, Johnbod (talk) 03:38, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi Liz, I want to add my name to say that you'll be badly missed. This is a difficult place to spend time on, so I won't say that I hope you return, but I do hope you stay away only if you want to, not because you feel you've been driven off. All the best, SarahSV (talk) 22:13, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Three years ago ...
Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg
visual arts
... you were recipient
no. 440 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

Thank you for the agreement to have music instead of visual this Easter, that was so kind. I was music written about in memory of those who lay in death's bonds, and in collaboration with Thoughtfortheday. Weekends here will be drier without your ping-pong-chats ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

I finally pick up your message from last year[edit]

And find you have retired. Quite right, it's boring here. Yomanganitalk 17:14, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I'd be lying if I claimed not to have checked in here. I do want to thank all of you who have left kind words - it means a lot to me, and I appreciate it. I've met some amazing people here, for which I am grateful. Thank you all again; your support means more then you know. Best, Kafka Liz (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't chime in Liz. More than likely I would have said something rather unacceptable to Admin ears. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Family editing[edit]

Per [1], your spouse has edits to 8,801 pages. Let's call it 10,000 for round numbers, and assume those are all articles. That means there are, in fact, 5,215,797 articles you can independently edit and comment in without the provisions of WP:FAMILY applying. No one is denying your value to the project, nor the value of your opinions in dispute resolution; I'm simply saying it would be best if you operate independently of your spouse, or, if you chose not to, accept that your position will not be considered as an entirely independent one for the purposes of determing consensus. NE Ent 21:53, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

NE Ent, I am not at all sure that consensus supports your opinion on this. Regarding your remark (the one about "spouse") that began the recent upsets, I don't recall seeing any editor saying they found your remark appropriate. I could be wrong.MPS1992 (talk) 22:11, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
Please see discussion Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry#Sexist.2C_discriminatory_language_in_WP:FAMILY. NE Ent 22:19, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
I have posted five times in that discussion, so I am not sure why you think I would be unaware of its existence. MPS1992 (talk) 22:38, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

@NE Ent: do you hav any idea how incredibly patronising and offensive this sounds? It comes across as both demeaning to (a) any spouses/partners editing who may actually enjoy each others' interests and take genuine pleasure interacting with their partners and (b) the likes of you dictating to content editors like some sort of servant about what and how they should be editing. Seriously. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore as per that policy, I supremely doubt that anyone would have considered The Cloisters a controversial topic, nor infact about 97% of what Kafka Liz or Ceoil edit. If you had some empathy, you might have noted that three content editors are feeling pretty angry and upset at the moment, so inflaming the situation with "observations" such as above come over as....not really conducive to dispute resolution...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:15, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Unbelievable that we are having this conversation in 2016. The only thing that needs to happen is that people who edit from the same IP need to disclose that fact so they don't get wrongly accused of sockpuppetry. Anything more is ridiculous; people who live in the same house are no more or less likely to agree on a particular WP article than relatives who live on opposite ends of the country —or two users who simply share a common interest and have never met at all save on-wiki. To say that spouses are "one voice" or "one entity" is medieval. I am stunned that we even have to have this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry#Sexist.2C_discriminatory_language_in_WP:FAMILY Montanabw(talk) 05:21, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
    • Agreed with both Montanabw and Casliber. The sole reason the provision about treating family members as one even exists is to stop people from making up little brothers to bolster their arguments and be able to get away with it because oh, of COURSE they share my IP! that's my little brother! It's not to make independent contributors who happen to be related into second class editors who have to split Wikipedia's articles and say "this is my half, this is yours" so the powers that be won't decide their voices mean nothing. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:33, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

New RFC dealing with WP:FAMILY section of WP:SOCK[edit]

FYI: Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Views are wanted at Wikipedia talk:Sock puppetry#RfC: Should WP:FAMILY be deleted from WP:SOCK?  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 09:02, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm genuinely uncertain as to whether I ought weigh in there. Let me think on it. Kafka Liz (talk) 12:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
You can only weigh in if I allow ya! Or something :) Also thanks for the edits on the c. 1265 Cimabue Crucifix, I'm going to edit there again later tonight, might get steamy, could use some back up, wink wink :) Ceoil (talk) 21:14, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


I was hasty. I was wrong. I apologize for applying an overly literal interpretative of Wikipedia policy to a context where it didn't apply. NE Ent 09:38, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I am sorry things spiralled this way. I think there is much to be gained by remembering that there are actual human beings behind the words on a screen, and that talking to them helps. That's all. Kafka Liz (talk) 14:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
We-ell, now yer back, some folks with some musical pedigree are needed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Courtney Love/archive3 - I was never a big Love/Hole fan and am not familiar enough with her to be confident we ain't missing something....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:02, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I'll take a look, but overall, I was never much of a fan of Ms Love, nor particularly one of her Mr. Ceoil might be of more help here, and then I'll come clean up the spelling. Kafka Liz (talk) 15:10, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


My laptop has the dead. Tablet not easy. Stay tuned, superheroes. Kafka Liz (talk) 21:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Ground control to Kafka Liz, checking laptop and may gods love be with you. chugchugchugchugchug. This is Ground control to Major Liz, youve really made the grade, but your laptop's bangaxed, can you hear me...Major...Liz....<pop> Ceoil (talk) 23:32, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Rumours of its death appear to have been greatly exaggerated. That said, it is still a bit wonky. Kafka Liz (talk) 08:39, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

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Not a way to have fun?[edit]

Not a Three Dog Night fan? --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah, the vid won't play in Our Fair EU, but good point. There was a special on tv about Tom Jones the other day, so this was the first thing that popped into my head. Call it a perfect storm of bizarre circumstances. Kafka Liz (talk) 05:24, 23 April 2016 (UTC)


Dont laugh but have just discovered a category of songs formerly believed rubbish, but on examination might be actually be ok[2]. A 10cc ballad, for example. Ceoil (talk) 22:22, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Cannot load this? Kafka Liz (talk) 00:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Moar 10cc, this time dedicated to our hyperactive, break all around him, beloved, kitten.[3] Ceoil (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
We do have substantially fewer coffee mugs, but sure, it's not that sad. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

The Cloisters[edit]

Thanks you for the very well judged copy edits.[4]. Ceoil (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Lovely, and strangely, not known to me. Liking and listening. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
( Ceoil (talk) 01:06, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Because [5]. Kafka Liz (talk) 01:09, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Here tis Ceoil (talk) 08:59, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Wow. I have nothing so good to offer in return. Seriously, anything I can think of would almost be an insult. Kafka Liz (talk) 09:11, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Thats right, yeah like[edit]

Never gets old. All he was trying to do was get a bit of cheese. Tis awful sad, no? Ceoil (talk) 21:20, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

'Tis an awful world we live in, now. But can ye try it bit less Cork? Kafka Liz (talk) 21:25, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Less Cork? Certainly not, my bore. What are you, some sort of jackeen. Ceoil (talk) 22:13, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Boring and a jackeen? Clearly I'm doing something wrong. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:17, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Still love you enough for a song. But barely, son. Barely. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:23, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
bore = doll, so there is that. Jackeen = Dublin, about the worst damn thing you could accuse a human about. Like. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
I know what a jackeen is. I think there's a user here whom I respect immensely who is both female and from That Place, so it's a term I'm hesitant to fling around. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:01, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
In the meantime, transvestites are watching your auntie. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Smarty pants. High in BC is from Dublin?? Figures. Ceoil (talk) 23:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
Puir wee lassie, alas. Kafka Liz (talk) 23:57, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
[6]. There are reason the 80s seem quaint and distant. That title, whf!!! Ceoil (talk) 00:07, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Now now, be kind. And 1984 also had this. Kafka Liz (talk) 00:18, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
Indeed it did. When was hot for Teacher, perhaps the best song of the 80s not recorded by a-ha. Ceoil (talk) 00:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Doorway from Moutiers-Saint-Jean[edit]

Cheers for the edits, much better now, and with 98% less spelling errors. Co-nom for DKY? Ceoil (talk) 18:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't believe I've done enough to accept a co-nom honestly. I would encourage you to, though. It is a great article. Kafka Liz (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Have u noticed all the improvements to The Gearagh today? Ceoil (talk) 18:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)