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The Bugle: Issue CXXIX, January 2017[edit]

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Is (part of) EF English Proficiency Index to be deleted?[edit]

You kindly made me understand some of the criterias for wikipedia articles. Is the article EF English Proficiency Index established and written in conformity with these WP criteria? See my comment on the talk page there. --Lu Wunsch-Rolshoven (talk) 11:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Reply to your comment on RfC[edit]

I am replying here since you were discussing my personal behavior and it is irrelevant to the RfC. First, no. None of my proposals are non-negotiable. And yes, evidently I oppose you guys rewriting the whole article on the basis of your extremely politicized editing. For crying out loud, you two mainly edit on articles about the Falklands and Gibraltar (two British overseas territories involving a territorial dispute with a Hispanic country) in a way which to an outside observer seems like very aggressive political activism. Don't forget that it was the crazy behavior regarding Conversos and Jews (admittedly more from WCM than you) that drew my attention to this article in the first place! Some other editors may have seen you edit in a more positive and honest way (I assume on stuff which you don't feel so strongly about) but I just haven't. We know what the deal is so lets just stick to the arguments as per policy rather than discussing each other. I'm not going to accuse either of you of anything from now on or question your motives. I just want fair and neutral articles on wikipedia and will focus on discussing content, policy, sources and rational arguments in a polite non-snarky way. I expect the same from you and WCM.Asilah1981 (talk) 13:57, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

There have only been two editors in the past who have proved unable to edit this page without personal attacks and accusations. I'm afraid you appear to be the third. If you are not willing to edit my talk page without the sorts of personal attacks and accusations contained in the above, please do not edit it at all. Kahastok talk 16:52, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017[edit]

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FYI[edit]

[1],[2] As I'm under a voluntary 1RR restriction I won't be able to revert again. WCMemail 13:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

March Madness 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXII, April 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIII, May 2017[edit]

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Re-establishment of British rule on the Falkland Islands listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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It seems the proposer was less than thorough with notifying people involved in previous discussions. WCMemail 22:14, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Deleted comment[edit]

  • Please be more careful when editing talk pages, this edit deleted a comment of mine. - Nick Thorne talk 12:30, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017[edit]

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2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017[edit]

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2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017[edit]

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WP:NPA[edit]

I think this your comment crosses the line. You put in my mouth something I never said. Among other things, you tell about my "attempts to divine out of thin air". No, I only quoted scholarly RS. That is what they tell, no me. You, on the other hand, failed to produce a single scholarly RS during the entire discussion to support your assertions. My very best wishes (talk) 20:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

On the contrary, so far as I can tell my text was an entirely accurate summation of your argument - an argument that you are still making. If you don't like people pointing out that your arguments are absurd, don't make absurd arguments. Kahastok talk 20:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
I never "seriously argued that Iran, Syria, Lebanon all recognise Israel as a legitimate independent state". And so on, and so on. If you think that I said something, you must be able to support your claims with diffs. You simply invented something and incorrectly claimed this to be my opinion. If you do not understand it, this is not my problem. My very best wishes (talk) 20:57, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
You argued - argue - that there are seven disputed states in the world, and that Israel isn't one of them. The conclusion is obvious and inescapable. If you don't like that, change your argument. Kahastok talk 21:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
Please do not do it again. Thanks, My very best wishes (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I am sorry, but you continue doing the same [3]. I removed it from my section of survey. My very best wishes (talk) 02:52, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
You are not allowed to remove comments from RFCs solely because you do not like them. You do not have your own section of the survey, neither do I. There has to be a good reason per WP:TPO and in this case there clearly isn't. Kahastok talk 19:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
In the diff above you tell to me: You're proposing to remove these entries that pass the criteria because they don't pass some other subjective criteria of your own. Once again, you blamed me of something I did not do. WP:NPA violations can be actually removed. But OK, I am letting this stay in wrong section of the RfC because you insist. My very best wishes (talk) 20:09, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
That is not a personal attack. It's an accurate summary of your position. On the previous point I did little more than take your own argument to its logical conclusion. So far as I can tell, what you are demanding in this section is that I not make any argument that demonstrates the flaws in your proposals. Kahastok talk 20:16, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
No, this is not an accurate summary of my position. And no, this is not a logical conclusion of my argument. You are very welcome to express your opinion, whatever it might be. But you are not welcome to make a mockery of comments by other contributors. My very best wishes (talk) 20:25, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
I find this comment does little to alter my impression of what you want here. If you or anyone else makes a proposal that I believe is flawed, I see no reason why I should feel the need to pretend that it is not. And doing so is not in any way a personal attack. Kahastok talk 20:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
Then let me explain. Consider this your comment. It could be mocked or (mis)interpreted in a number of ways. For example, one could say that you came to the project your argument is to support Russia and fight against reliable sources because they are "Western". But I did not tell it. This is something you do, although in a different way, by distorting my comments. My very best wishes (talk) 20:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
It is astonishing that an editor with your experience would not be aware of the clear and obvious difference between claiming that an editor is acting in bad faith on one hand, and pointing out the flaws in their arguments on the other. Kahastok talk 21:48, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
OK, my apology. I fixed it. But does it really make a lot of difference? I am simply giving you an example of misinterpreting a comment by another contributor. My very best wishes (talk)

List of states[edit]

Hi. I am sorry for interrupting, but if I could, I would like to ask if there is something wrong after your last edit to the article List of sovereign states, because now it looks in that way: "so long as it was not "obtained by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic representations, or in any other effective coercive measure"[[Category:Articles that may contain original research}}]][Improper synthesis?]". I mean, there is the information about that category right after the text. Rregardless of the fact it looks ugly, it just looks like some kind of a mistake. Thanks in advance. Greetings. Jojnee (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi - thanks for noticing that, yes it was a mistake. I've sorted it out by doing it in a different way. Kahastok talk 18:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks :) Jojnee (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2017 (UTC) I've read a little bit about that matter and it seems that the statement in the article is, in fact, correct (the synthesis is proper) as the Montevideo Convention article says: "An important part of the convention was a prohibition of using military force to gain sovereignty. According to Article 11 of the Convention, The contracting states definitely establish the rule of their conduct the precise obligation not to recognize territorial acquisitions or advantages that have been obtained by force whether this consists in the employment of arms, in threatening diplomatic representations, or in any other effective coercive measure", and the Sovereign state article states "According to declarative theory, an entity's statehood is independent of its recognition by other states, as long as the sovereignty was not gained by military force". Doesn't it mean we should remove the "improper synthesis?" tag? :) Best wishes. Jojnee (talk) 23:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Your Comments Were Deleted[edit]

Just an FYI, user: My very best wishes, just deleted some of your comments on the List of Sovereign States talk page. Diffs are here [[4]]. Regards XavierGreen (talk) 16:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. They do not have my permission to do this, so it breaks WP:TPO. I have reverted and asked them not to do it again. Kahastok talk 19:22, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
I do not think what the other user had done in editing your comments was correct, but after joining one of the discussions under a survey reply, I thought it was getting quite long, and was no longer related to the survey response it was a reply to. I tried to move it to the discussion section in a more neutral way (simply moving all the comments in that single reply thread), in accordance with WP:TPO guidelines on sectioning and editing for clarity. If you disagree with this change, please revert it. Seeing your disagreement about having comments moved, I should have asked you beforehand, sorry if you feel this move was undue as well. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 17:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
The discussion has become longer and more involved, and to my mind it makes a difference that you are not actively trying to get rid of the discussion in question (as MVBW did in his first edit by just deleting the response entirely). On the other hand, part of the point is that my post was a direct response to MVBW's post, and this meaning is lost by moving it. If you were to add a comment in context noting that the point has been moved to the discussion section it would be better I think. Kahastok talk 14:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Because the context is now far less clear and in response to this, I have removed the thread back to its original position. Kahastok talk 15:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. Red Rock Canyon (talk) 00:53, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018[edit]

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018[edit]

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Weddell Island article[edit]

Hi Kahastok, recently I have done some work on developing the Weddell Island article, and would appreciate it having your opinion and possible recommendations on it. Best, Apcbg (talk) 07:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi - looks like a good article, complete and usefully well referenced.
I think I would use a bit less of a flat structure. Articles like Shapinsay and Skye are featured articles on islands and may provide a guide. I'd suggest something like:
  • Etymology
  • History
    • Discovery
    • Early history
    • A Robinson Crusoe mise-en-scène
    • Falklands War
    • Shipwrecks
    • Burials
  • Geography (new section, see below)
  • Geology
    • Stone runs
  • Flora and Fauna (for Nature heritage section)
  • Government and politics (for Government section)
    • Ownership
  • Economy (for Population and land use)
    • Energy
    • Communications
Also, some of the sections are a bit short, so maybe they could be integrated into others?
I think the lede may be a bit too heavy on the physical geography of the island without including enough of other aspects. We shouldn't really have anything in the lede that isn't already in the article, so while it should locate the island and describe its shape, I think it should also add details about geology, history, economy and so on, with some of the detail (including most of the measurements) moved down into the body of the article (e.g. in a new Geography section).
I hope this is useful. Kahastok talk 15:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks for the most substantial and helpful comments; I'll be working on the article to implement your recommendations as best I can. Best, Apcbg (talk) 09:23, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018[edit]

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Apologies regarding Swaziland talk[edit]

Hello, I would like to apologise for my misinformed comment(s) at that talk page section. I was ignorant of the second ruling at your specified date. As mentioned in your second comment, I now realise ignorance of that ruling shows a certain level of foolishness on my part.

Regarding the points made in that latter comment you posted, I agree and think that you do have a convincing argument that until the sources are available no changes can be made to the situation. I want to thank you for reiterating that point also. Techhead7890 (talk) 11:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

AFD[edit]

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/María Sáez de Vernet, this may be of interest to you. WCMemail 17:43, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018[edit]

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List of shortest-lived states[edit]

Hi Kahastok. As per our discussion I've put this page forward for AfD - you can see the discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_shortest-lived_sovereign_states

Gratifying to see that our arguments succeeded in this case on the basis of the quality of our arguments. The page was interesting but ultimately unsourced and only likely to eventually result in Citogenesis. FOARP (talk) 13:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018[edit]

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WP:BRD and previoius consensus in Gibraltar History section[edit]

Hi. I am assuming good faith on your part, so I believe that maybe you think that the previous consensus in the [History section of Gibraltar] was not to mention the destination of the exodus of its inhabitants after the takeover by Rooke in 1704, and that's why you keep deleting the mention of Campo de Gibraltar.

The fact is that the consensus without interruption during the last 8 years, until WCMonster deleted it on November 20 2018, has been to mention that the population moved "to the surrounding area of the Campo de Gibraltar" after the invasion.

Not a single day during the last 8 years did the article stop mentioning the exodus "to the surrounding area of the Campo de Gibraltar" until November 30 2018. So it's more than clear that the consensus includes that phrase. Please take a moment and check any of the previous versions of the article during the last 8 years. For example:

  • November 28 2018[5]
  • December 2017[6]
  • December 2016[7]
  • December 2015[8]
  • December 2014[9]
  • December 2013[10]
  • December 2012[11]
  • December 2011[12]

Now I will assume that you are aware that the consensus version includes the exodus to the surrounding area of Campo de Gibraltar.

So, once you (and WCMonster) have (i) been bold and tried to change the article and delete that detail and (ii) seen that there is no consensus (I think it's clear that I oppose that change), (iii) you should be consistent with your own words and [[[BRD]], and try to look for a new consensus in the talk page before you delete that detail.

Myself, I have (i) edited to add more detail about the exodus (mentioning the official documents that were take to San Roque), (ii) understood that you oppose that change, and (iii) I have accepted to go back to the consensus version (which, so far, includes the destination of the exodus but not the official documents) and taken the issue to the talk page to look for a new consensus.

Now that all this is clear, I will take the article to the consensus version and expect that you will discuss your proposed change in the talk page. I am doing the same with my propsed edit. Thanks - Imalbornoz (talk) 08:30, 14 December 2018 (UTC)