User talk:Kartovskiy

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Question for administrator[edit]

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Though I wasn't logged in yesterday--I edited the page for Lainto Sine Flexione on the part that involved the Lord's prayer. What I had done was include a 'Pravene'version of it that was placed between Interlingua and the English version. Today when I checked it was removed and a message declared that my edit was deleted for 'vandalism'. So I created an account today as the current IP is a school computer, so now you will know firstly if it was me who made an edit and not another student.

My edit was meant to spur curiousity and to be educational, what Pravene is is a now almost completely finished conlanguage very similar to Latin, Interlingua and Latino sine Flexionethat I have worked on for almost two years. All I simply did was translate the Lord's prayer into it and place it among the other versions. What I was planning on doing soon was to create a Wiki page for Pravene expressing my construction and it's details and then translating pages into it. My apologies if I should've contacted first, however I assure it wasn't meant to be a form of vandalism but to help spread a beautiful language and those curious for linguistic knowledge.

As I stated previously, I have created this account. Because currently I am on a school computer, and I didn't want to be blocked from editing in case another student had indeed started vandalizing other articles. So if I may presently ask, if it'd be alright to re-add my edit and be allowed to translate pages into my conlanguage and such? I mean no other harm than to educate.

Thank you~

You can reach me here or at my email-

Also this is the edit I wish to do as an example of Pravene:

Pravene version of Lord's Prayer

Patiro ni, cu fias en cielo

sanctificato fias ti noma

tu regio venus

ti volunta fazire

en mon que en cielo

Damo ni diem, nie dielo pan

Pardone ni, de nie debites

que nos pardonemos etas cu debitare pa ni

Garde ni de le tiempo de tentacio

I libera ni de melo.



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Welcome to Wikipedia. Your contribution to Latino sine flexione was not considered vandalism, because it was clearly made in good faith and not intended to damage the encyclopedia; but it was reverted as not appropriate.

If Pravene is your own invented language I am afraid it is not a suitable subject for you to write about in Wikipedia. For a guide to the reasons, see Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. That is written mainly for people who have made up a joke religion or a new word, but the reasons it explains apply just as much to someone like you who has a serious invention worked on over years rather than "made up one day".

The fundamental reason is that, as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia is not a place for first publication of anything new. The business of an encyclopedia is to summarise material already published in reliable sources. The policy page is Wikipedia:No original research, which includes:

"If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article about it. If you discover something new, Wikipedia is not the place to announce such a discovery."

The links in the Welcome message above will tell you more about Wikipedia and how you can contribute. As far as writing about Pravene goes, you may get some ideas from Wikipedia:Alternative outlets. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 17:17, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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Actually that was what I was asking for, my apologies if I didn't make it exactly clear. So if I were to translate material then in Wikipedia, where exactly would I save the translated page then if I may ask? Also copied your coding to make sure it'd draw your attention, wasn't sure if you'd noticed I edited and left a note on your talk.

That's OK, but I will put this talk page on my watchlist so that if you reply here I will see, and you do not need to notify me - that makes it easier to keep the conversation all in one place. I will copy here for your convenience the link to WP:Copyrights#Reusers' rights and obligations.
For saving translated pages, I'm afraid Wikipedia can't help you. Two suggestions are:
  • Wikiversity is a sister project which describes itself as "a Wikimedia Foundation project devoted to learning resources, learning projects, and research for use in all levels, types, and styles of education." I do not know much about it, but I know they do not share Wikipedia's prohibition of original research.
  • Wikia is a general hosting site where you can start a "Wiki" of your own
You might get other ideas from Wikipedia:Alternative outlets, but I think those are the two best bets. JohnCD (talk) 15:34, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Alright, thank you for the help I shall look into the links you provided.

Kartovskiy (talk) 20:06, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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