User talk:Keeper76/Archive 9

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Fourth chamber

Have a safe fourth, Keep. I redirected the MfD page to ObligatoryHandle's talk page. If I can't do this or blah, blah, blah, just undo it. I dunno. I don't care. I have rows of Jagerbombs ahead of me. :-) --Endless Dan 19:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

ooo! aaaahhh! Oooohhh! I haven't had a Jag in ages, maybe this weekend will be a good throwback. Be well, your redirect is fine IMO. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Checking in

Your concern for my well-being has touched me deeply, and I just wanted you to know I am ok, and getting ready for bed. I'm, gong to the movies tomorrow with my best friend, Janneke, and then on Saturday going to a planning meeting of Democrats Abroad, for which I am a fund raiser. Life goes on, and it goes better with people like you in it. Jeffpw (talk) 22:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My baby

Sorry for breaking all the rules of social networking, but just wanted to give an update. Early Wednesday morning at 2am EST, I my wife gave birth to our son. I have a strong desire to go all public with his name etc... but will resist. I'll tell everyone that he came out 7 lbs 11 oz and was 21.5 inches long and completely healthy, as is my wife. We are not yet home from hospital but will be soon. I'll still be 98% inactive for a few days, just wanted to let people know the good news (at least those who had been inquiring). Thanks for those who had given kind words. Gwynand | TalkContribs 00:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Jimbo for a boy, SlimVirgin for a girl. – ırıdescent 00:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Congrats! You've got a long road ahead of you. my son's new favorite trick is pulling himself up to stand next to the CD rack then taking all the CDs out and dropping them on the ground one by one... –xenocidic (talk) 00:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Ooo, G-man! I'm so very happy for you! *(and I was getting a bit worried). I wish you nothing but blessings and happiness. Enjoy these first few days, they are wonderful. They get so so much worse after about 2 weeks and reality sets in. Then, after 3 months, when you are just about ready to jump off your own roof, it gets wonderful again. Make food for your wife, treat here well, she's done all the work and has a long glorious road ahead of her. Going back offline (mostly), just wanted to say congrats! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


Again, totally precious. I've pinched User:SheffieldSteel's "crazy den of pigs" user box for my own, it's too good to miss. We should all have one. --Rodhullandemu 01:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I added that userbox myself a coupla hours ago. Priceless. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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Contentious AfD

Hi. If you should happen to be around in the near future and have time/desire to close a contentious AfD, there's one in need of sagacity over here. My internet connection is blinking in and out at the moment, and I am cleaning my house for incoming guests, so I really don't think it's good for me to take it on. Too, the editor who asked me if I'd help out, though explicitly seeking a neutral admin who would evaluate it fairly, probably unintentionally presented the case in such a way that there could be a perception of campaigning and my neutrality might come into question.

As the AfD is over-ripe, it may be closed anyway in the very near future, but when I was thinking, "Who do I know who could do a good job here?" you were first to come to mind. :) From what I understand, not only is the AfD contentious, but the article is currently undergoing some related edit-warring, which is why I'm inclined to think a resolution sooner rather than later may be preferable. But if you've got other things going, too, I'm sure some less busy admin will come along to do a fine job. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:49, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Keeper is on a short wikibreak - one of the reasons I sent jcclemens your way =) –xenocidic (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, dear. Any other admins come to mind? I could ask DGG, but I don't know if he closes many AfDs. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm closing it MRG, I'll be online for an hour or so, should be enough time to wade through it. Thanks for thinking of me (I think...).... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:05, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Hi, Keeper. I agree. :) Lovely work. And thanks for taking care of it! I was also leaning towards "keep", which is one of the reasons why I thought perhaps I should not be the one to close it. Since the person who brought it up to my attention was openly for retention of the article, I felt that his note might be potentially seen as prejudicing me, and in a controversial AfD any hint of impropriety might lead to drama (I love that WP:DRAMA leads to WP:ANI). Had I been going to delete it, that wouldn't have been a concern at all. :D Again, thanks so much for putting the time into it. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day!

As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway!  :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 00:38, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day barnstar!


Hi, you voted twice at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Cailil. Cheers. Gary King (talk) 17:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

My bad. Thaks GK, I usually watchlist those that I comment on so as to avoid "double voting". I've indented my most recent post. Good catch (stepping back slowly... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Some advice and an opinion about discussions on Talk:Wales

Hi there. I wonder if you had the time, and considered yourself uninvolved enough whether you might care to take a look at the exchanges occurring on Talk:Wales, in particular in Talk:Wales#'Country' issue NOT resolved! and Talk:Wales#Country? It is a bit of a "carry over" from a failed mediation attempt that was derailed by a sockpuppet and a contributor who is now objecting on the Wales page. I was involved in the mediation page, and am involved on the Talk:Wales page, so can't do much. The links are there to follow if one wishes. It is perfactly all right if you don't want to, or even want to run away screaming as fast and as far as possible. Thanks.  DDStretch  (talk) 22:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

(Addendum) Of course, anyone else reading this and uninvolved is more than welcome to comment.  DDStretch  (talk) 23:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Customized Wikibreak templates?

There was a thread about this, or a discussion within a thread but now I can't find it. I know about the listed templates but how do I customize them? For example, if I wanted it to say, "TCari is attending a wedding (no, not her own) and is traveling without her laptop. She'll be back over the weekend." And then a moving one, but I'll make it if I know where to put it. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:20, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

You mean like this? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:44, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

You rock, thanks! Will put that into use tomorrow afternoon before we hit the road. Wedding is 1p Friday, same time as Yankees-Sox. Both bride and groom have promised to have it on. Should be fun ;) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:50, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm already preparing my box for when I leave the friendly climes of New York to tour the vast American wilderness for two weeks. Enigma message 22:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Oooh that sounds like a fun trip. I'd love to see photographs if you're one to take them. Utah, Montana and the Dakotas are on my 'some day' list. I've done both coasts but never the middle, although to be fair to our host I have flown through MSP. I have the wedding in Rochester this weekend and then I start moving. Oy. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:05, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll try to send you photos after the trip (depends if we take a digital camera. If not, I'm not sure if I'll bother scanning in all the pictures). We're going to Colorado, Utah (I think), Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Palo Alto, and the Bay Area. You might've seen those already. The Dakotas? Talk about an unlikely destination! Doubt too many people go there for vacation. Enigma message 03:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
What can I say, I'm weird :) Vegas is fun, I went there for my birthday. Spent some time in the LA area and have been to the Bay but you're ahead of me on the others. Never seen the US Rockies but loved the Canadian Rockies when I went to Banff a few years back. I'm sure you'll have a great time. Reminds me, need to charge my batteries for this weekend. I don't think I own a functioning film camera any more :-/ TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll be bringing a digital camera and also a Panoramic camera. As for the Rockies, I was actually in and around Denver last summer. Mount Evans has a road up most of it for cars, and then you can climb the rest of the way up the peak (there's a path, so no climbing equipment required). That was a lot of fun for me. Great views down, although obviously if one is afraid of heights, it's not recommended. Enigma message 04:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thought I remembered that being the source of your Rockies t-shirt but I couldn't remember for certain. I didn't get to do any climbing in the Canadian Rockies as it was somewhat of an impromptu trip. I went to a friend's wedding in Red Deer and spent the morning after with my nose plastered to the window. She asked what time my flight was out of Calgary and told me I had time for the two hour drive. Was more like 4 hours because I kept stopping but wow I got some pictures I loved. That was with my old, basic camera. I need to find some new photos to hang in my new place. Hmm. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

<-Don't knock the Dakotas before you try them. Western SD is spot on (black hills, badlands, mt. rushmore, etc). Eastern SD, and frankly, all of ND, are comprised of sunflowers and freeway exit ramps that lead to nothing but more sunflowers. Fargo is a nice town though, eh. (and nothing like the film, which ironically was filmed in my state instead, proof positive that even a namesake film can't find enough to see in ND... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

(black hills, badlands, mt. rushmore, etc) is exactly what I want to see. And I want to go to Bozeman to see the dinos! :-D When gas prices get back to normal... I miss my NY-> FL drives. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Another one?

Because I'm apparently template-dumb. I tried to modify {{semi-exams}} to {{Semi-Moving house. Will be here on and off until I'm settled (app. 15 July 2008)}} and got a useless mess. I'm not contributing to the barnstar ego fest but just so long as they're not playing my boys, I'll "pay you back" by rooting for yours. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done And I belive today would be an excellent day to cheer for the Twins. They are in Beantown, your underachievers have the day off. :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:12, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! As my t-shirt says, "I root for two teams, the Yankees and whoever plays the Red Sox" so I'm happy to do so. Red Sox should be good and sleepy after last night. The kid is amazing. Between that and the other dethroning, I was thrilled. Good entertainment while packing. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
The only thing that I'll agree with in your post here is that I nearly cried when Rafe finally won. I've been a huge fan of his since, cripes, he was like 16. My t-shirt, BTW, says "My two favorite teams are the Twins, and whoever is playing the Yankees". I did stay up late last night to watch the OT, and Gardner was mildly impressive with his "hit" that Lugo should've caught. Had he knocked one into the porch I'd a been much more impressed. Don't tell me any scores this week. Most games this week (against bosox and detroit) for some bizarre reason are day games, got 'em all DVR'd... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
posting from my second hotel. This one is close to Pikes Peak. Went up there this afternoon. Took some pictures, but it was cloudy and the pictures weren't great. (talk) 02:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC) (Enigma posting as IP)

join? (writing you because you wrote on AN about this very topic)

Would you like to join? It's not saying that you will unblock, just that you have an open mind and are willing to try it in some cases. If we have a few people join, then we can defeat the argument that Wikipedia is a cabal. On the other hand, if someone blocks me and says something like "trolling" that would really look bad on Wikipedia.

It's simple, not interested, let the thread expire. If interested, join. If a few people join, then Wikipedia wins! Voxtel (talk) 22:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Who are you? You can't say "we" on your third edit unless you've been around a while. Who are you? We don't look kindly on undisclosed sock accounts. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Some people are very aggressive. Because of this, I edit only once in a while. When I do, I create an account. Since I don't edit everyday, it's easy to forget my username. However, if I edit again with a new account, it's always a different article. The few times that I went back to the same article, I searched the history to find my username. So it's not abusive sockpuppetry, just poor record keeping. But stop focusing on me because it can be viewed as a personal attack. Just focus on the idea. You like it, good. You don't, fine. Voxtel (talk) 22:15, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
If I was certain you were a sock, or more specifically an abusive sock, you'd be blocked already. I didn't say that. I just simply don't believe you, that's all. How bout this. Stay "voxtel". Write it down somewhere, with your password. Then you won't have to deal with us "aggressive" regulars that have redflags flying when they see a "new editor" jumping right into ANI and proposing new categories. You're life on wiki would be much easier. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a deal! I will write it down on a sticky. With that issue settled, will you unblock me if some admin is mad at my AN topic and blocks me? I very, very rarely edit on policy, usually on articles. I don't intend to change this. Deal? Voxtel (talk) 22:27, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I will unblock you if you are unfairly blocked, just as I would any other editor, new or old. And only after consulting the blocking admin. Sorry Vox, but that's just what it is. Us admins are in it together. Not because we're a cabal, but because we are constantly and unrelentingly trolled by users that think they know everything and know what's best for wikipedia. Again, if you are blocked, I'll unblock you. After getting consent from the blocking admin. Period, end of sentence, full stop. If you don't like it, fuck off. By the way, if you are blocked for persistently advocating for what you perceive to be of the utmost importance, namely, this "unblock" category, then no, I won't touch it. Irony be damned. If you are blocked unfairly, I'll pursue your case, work with the blocker, and perhaps you can be unblocked. Then again, you seem perfectly capable of creating new accounts whenever you "lose your username/password". Funny thing is, I've never lost mine....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:31, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I have never had anyone in Wikipedia tell me FUCK. Therefore, I must resign. I will not look up Wikipedia at least for a few days. I have torn up my sticky. I don't like being fucked. Voxtel (talk) 22:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Keeper, I hope you're suitably ashamed of yourself. – iridescent 22:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Also your attitude shows you are the problem. You said that you will unblock if you obtain CONSENT of the blocking admin. This is conspiracy. If you said you would ask the admin as part of a fact finding mission, that's different. You conspire and you say FUCK to me. Sorry. I must leave and you are the reason. Voxtel (talk) 22:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Keeper, you're setting such a fine example for me with the not-swearing and whatnot. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 23:01, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
And another one goes back in the drawer. – iridescent 23:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for this laugh of the day - conspiracy! cursing! circular reasoning! It's practically a movie. The guy never disappoints. Tvoz/talk 03:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
You're very welcome Tvoz. I figured a bit o' dialogue would get someone to recognize him. Glad I could dangle a string in front of the kitty for everyone. Onto the next incarnation...and sorry Shapiros, I did make a swear there. My bad. (My also not 12...). And Iridescent, I do hope I can re-earn your respect someday...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:13, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Damnit Keeper, I'm supposed to be incivil (uncivil if Malleus is around ;-)) one! Not you! With respect, —Giggy 14:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
There is no such world as "incivil", except in this wikidream world. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 16:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
He's right Gig. You are being uncivil as you act with incivility. No incivil, no uncivility intended. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Legitimate but obsolete variant spelling. Don't argue about it or you'll be undefblocked. – iridescent 16:39, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Obsolete words are usually used by the Brits, not the Aussies. Hmm. I'm perplexed. Thanks Not-idescent. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 16:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I won't hear a word against the failed penal colony country which gave us my favourite list. – iridescent 16:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm reminded of the old joke.
Immigration officer to English tourist arriving at Sydney Airport: "Do you have a criminal record?"
Passenger: "I didn't know it was still obligatory."
Boom boom! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 18:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Why are there so many Australians working in pubs?
Because it's in their blood to end up behind bars. (I'll get my coat) – iridescent 18:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
All this abuse whilst Giggy sleeps, preparing for a cold dark winter. May your toilet water always swirl clockwise Giggy...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
[1] ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC) if I trust Wikipedia to be accurate....;-). I was simply assuming that Giggy's toilet (he is an expert on water), was in a perfectly controlled labratory environment. His bathroom has no variables. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Can you believe I don't know any good Australia jokes. Well, I do, but they're probably a bit incivil ;-) (Plenty of equally rude Brit and Yank jokes, too!) —Giggy 23:56, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

←Just remembered another one. What's an Australian's idea of foreplay? Brace yourself Sheila! And to be even-handed, how can you tell a pommie's towel? That'll be the dry one. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting Request

Hi. I'm doing a GA review or The Hustler (film), and its good to go except I feel it has some prose issues and needs a good copyediting. Would you be available to give it a going over? I've detailed some general things I've noticed in Talk:The Hustler (film)/GA2, if it helps. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'll certainly give it a once over, but I'm on again/off again this weekend (being a holiday and all for us ex-brit treasonous lot)...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Great, thanks :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, just a quick check to see if you'll have time to do the copyedit this week. The nominator is feeling a little antsy :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
How much is the nominator paying? I'll do it for $25 less than Keeper. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Malleus is a far superior copyeditor than Keeper, I'll give him my paycheck. Besides that, I'm going offline any minute now. That said, WTF are you doing awake, MF? It's like 3 am in your world...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I have to be up very early tomorrow/this morning, so best not to go to bed. Wo betide anyone who gets on my wrong side tomorrow/this evening. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
So...$25 less than $0 means you'll give the nom $25? :-P If you could take a look, though, it would be appreciated. His GA has been on hold for 4-5 days now and its the article's only stumbling block. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll try and pop over later. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
PS. If I forget, 'cos I am getting pretty tired now, drop me a note on my talk page. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 02:42, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

David Crais

Keeper 76, You said you would get back to me about the "David Crais" page but you never did. Can you respond? (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

You're gonna hafta help me out here IP. I delete/respond to several requests per day. Where's the article? What was your username where I told you that I was going to "get back to you?" Unless I hear from you again, I'm too busy to look through diffs. Help a guy out? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:43, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, this was buggin me, so I found you in my archives. I already "userfied" the article so that you could continue to work on it. I'm not sure what you mean by "I said I would get back to you", but I did get back to you, gave you your article back, and told you what you need to do: work on the article. Let me know when you have it referenced properly and scaled way back from being a resume about yourself to being an encyclopedic article. BTW, you're editing from an IP right now, but I assume your userpage is User talk:DCraiss, and therefore, your article can be found at User:DCraiss/David crais. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


File:Wiccan ritual.PNG
If the WMF were to organise a secret ritual, this is exactly how I'd imagine it would look. I assume it would involve a sacrificial SlimVirgin.
That's now twice in a week that Jimmy Wales has agreed with me. Do you think I get my invite to the Cabal Initiation Ceremony if I get one more? – ırıdescent 21:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, come now, you and I and all your stalkers know that you invented the Cabal Initiatuion Ceremony. You're the emcee, the first inductee, and current head-loon. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


Haha. Reminds me of this. Enigma message 03:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

and before I leave, this is just awesome. Enigma message 12:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh. I'm pretty sure JL woulda passed had he simply stated that he had captivating physical attractiveness. He got the modesty part for Gurch's page, you did notice that it was I that made the first turn and got the colon count started on the -1? I'm very proud of that contribution to building the encyc...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:07, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Just perfect

[2] – ırıdescent 16:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Ha. "It might be best if you never post on AN/I again." Enigma posting from Colorado
Amongst some of my academic colleagues who mostly all specialized in psychological measurement techniques, a joke "psychometric" instrument was often laughed about with respect to measuring pomposity in Oxford/Cambridge graduates. One of us (I can't now recall which as it was so long ago) proposed that its primary form was based on an inverse relationship between extent of pomposity and the time since being introduced to said Oxbridge graduate up to their first mention that they had graduated from an Oxbridge college: the greater the pomposity, the shorter the time. Over the years, various modifications to it were proposed, such as the more the use of given names of "international experts" when mentioning them in conversation, without any explanation of who they were to anyone unfamiliar with the area, the greater the pomposity. Now, here's the interesting point: three of the people I knew who laughed and appreciated the truth in this joke were Oxbridge graduates themselves, and in every case, one could have only determined this by looking at their detailed academic CV, as they never mentioned it in conversation. We and they all believed (and still do) that the strength of people's arguments alone, rather than the reputation of the places they had studied at, should determine the validity of any of their contributions.  DDStretch  (talk) 06:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I think. Perhaps not. Wait, what did you say? If I'm understanding you correctly, Oxbridge grads are strikingly similar to Yalevards stateside. Nauseating really, but I suppose had I gone 100s of 1000s of dollars in debt to prove myself intelligent, I'd want others to be well aware of it as well, and as soon as possible, in any conversation. For example: "Sir, would you like paper, or plastic?". "Well ma'am, you see, when I was in studies at Harvard (oh has it been 10 years already? chortle chortle...), we determined with only slight mental strain that the correct answer is of course 'plastic inside of paper', as any intelligent person should quickly realize. Unless, poor souls, they were unable to be enlightened with a superior education. Are you able to break a hundred?" Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I prefer the other way 'round - paper inside plastic. Though I didn't go Ivy League. My dad did - but I don't think that counts. (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Follow up

I'm not sure if you saw my followup to your post here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, forgot to go back to check on that one. Smiles and hugs. What an emotioanl series of posts, spread out over several talkpages. I realize looking back that something I said could be easily misconstrued: I meant "risk" (in my post) very non-homophobically. I'm fully aware that homosexuality is not contagious, and that I'm in no danger (no good fortune?) of "catching it" if I were in fact to engage in a large group hug with my fellow editors of any persuasion. (And good of you to clarify your own preferences. :-) Moni's post after mine was also hi-larious). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't feel the need to clarify things like sexuality and gender and religion and political preferences and whatever on Wiki; I do, however, need to make sure I'm not perceived as having any particular or inaccurate bias in my work at FAC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
That goes without saying, on both fronts. Am I misreading your post's tone? Are you angry about something I've said? Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Absolutely not :-) And thanks for asking. I'm just catching up and sometimes I type too fast :-) Perhaps it came across too dry because I'm trying not to leave any inaccurate impressions. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:53, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Whew! I've done that several times myself. I've had to refrain from overitalicizing things I found humorous, because people misread it as overly pissed off. If you read your above post again, but with an Oxbridge accent, you could perhaps read what I read :-) (And for the Oxbridge reference, read the post directly above this little gem :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 17:56, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omissions in the Gospel of John

Sorry about forgetting to add the bottom template. :( No idea how I forgot it. Thanks for adding it :) - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 18:29, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

No problemo. Happens all the time :-) If you weren't a "regular" there, I woulda probably flamed your talkpage. Figured you'd just forgotten :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Need your eyes

First off, I love the AN/K shortcut. If it ever comes up for RFD, I'll vehemently defend it ;>. Second, can you take a look at User talk:PaterMcFly#Kumiki Gibson and ensure I've acted appropriately? Haven't done much page protection work. –xenocidic (talk) 18:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't do much page protection either (what do you do, keeper?), but the editor's in this case (one IP and one redlink user name) should've both been blocked on 23Jun for 3rr (actually, more like 10rr). They may have been blocked, I didn't look. Anyway, what's done is done. I also added {{Blpwatch}}, the BLP watch template, to the article so that a bot reports to BLP specialist editors whenever an edit is made to that article. For now, not much else to do other than check the article against its sources to be sure the article is accurately stating only what other reliable sources already say. We aren't responible for the New York Times, et al editors, but we do have a responsibility not to misconstrue, give undue weight, or misrepresent what they (presumably) fact checked. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
cheers, thanks for the tips. p.s., who won the barnstar contest? =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I did. I got 20. How many did you get? what, that's not what I said the contest was? Mwahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Sue me... Actually, now that I'm in "edit this page" and can't see them all (refreshing!), the one that's standing out the most in my mind is the "rusty mainpage" one with the beat up old car in front of the ghost town. Who made that one? I also like "barnstar for getting lots of barnstars". Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Bah, that rusty old car stole the pic from the Commons pic of the day that day. at least I looked as far as this talk page... never mind =) anyways, as soon as those barnstars get archived, it's going on my User:Xenocidic/misc#Some funny stuff page. –xenocidic (talk) 19:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't know that they did live human organ donation (like your eyes) sorry, bad joke :) ..... DustiSPEAK!! 19:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec, but this is actually on topic) I already checked at least most of the sources that contain critics. here it says clearly ALBANY - Gov. Paterson on Tuesday fired the commissioner of the state Division of Human Rights - a woman who drew several lawsuits from staffers who accused her of age discrimination and abusive behavior. I'll check the other sources, but takes a few minutes. --PaterMcFly (talk) 19:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
On topic?! You must be new here! ;> –xenocidic (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c of course)Nice work McFly. Don't ever feel you need to apologize for actually helping build/protect Wikipedia. My talkpage is notoriously offtopic, and you (or anyone else) is welcome to bring me back in line anytime. Let me (or Xenocidic) know if you need further assistance. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I've checked most links in the article. Only a few of them suffice to see that the article content is very well sourced and correct. I am very possitive that what's in the article will meet the blp standard without problems (what doesn't make it a good article yet). Things would also be very much simpler if the involved editors would begin to talk... --PaterMcFly (talk) 20:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I've left messages on their talk pages encouraging them to do so (but I wouldn't be surprised if full-on edit warring resumed the second the protection expires). Thanks for double checking those sources. –xenocidic (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Neither would I. I could even immagine the occurence of some sock-puppetry here... -- PaterMcFly (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC) PS: I saw your note on their talk pages. Let's see. --PaterMcFly (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Ted Matthews entry / Jody B

Hi Keeper, thank you for responding to my query.

As a newbie, perhaps I have misinterpreted the notation I found on the entry I was working on for Ted Matthews. I accidentally navigated away from the page while working on it, and upon returning, found it blank. I then noticed:

02:56, 10 July 2007 JodyB (Talk | contribs) deleted "Ted Matthews" ‎ (content was: db-bio Unreferenced|date=October 2006 Ted Matthews on cover of Knight Heat DVD[[Im...')

And so I thought Jody had deleted my work. Am I mistaken?

Thanks so much - Apone01 (talk) 22:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Was your article really deleted almost a year ago? And you're just now coming back for it? I would recommend that you simply start over in your userspace and recreate the article from scratch, using references. I'll be over to your talkpage in a minute here to give you some helpful links. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)


We've got the bot back! :) But under a new name, and new operator. No more manual archiving is needed. I'll make the necessary changes at RfR. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 23:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Sweet. Thanks SoxRed! (I presume)....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 23:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

The time has come

There have been reviews now, I would like yours as well please. Please Keeper? Thanks, DustiSPEAK!! 01:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going offline about 2 hours ago. I'll check in tomorrow morning....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks :) DustiSPEAK!! 14:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Wilson (theologian)

Keeper, I'm sensing a pretty hostile vibe from one of the editors arguing for deletion in the Andrew Wilson (theologian) issue. My impression of the situation is that he's essentially said the article has no potential for being encyclopedic, he doesn't agree with your closure, and he won't help, go away, or file a DRV. Can you review the post-AfD edits to the article and talk page, and tell me if I'm being hypersensitive, and, if not, give me some advice on how to proceed? Thanks. Jclemens (talk) 06:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Surprise surprise, he doesn't agree with my close. I'll keep it in my watchlist. Right now, he's burying himself with his "choice" of attacking using sarcasm, overbolding, and poor tone. Don't follow him down the hole (you haven't yet, you've responded very well to his exhausting posts). Anyone that calls a BLP article a "pile of steaming faeces" really doesn't have the collaborative spirit in mind. Your polite recommendation to him (come back in a month) has gone unheeded, but that's more his problem than yours. Let me know if he starts edit warring in the actual article; so far it appears that he's blowing off steam on the talkpage only. As far as content goes, the dustcover "quotes" don't establish notability, but they certainly don't negate it either. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll endeavour to keep to the high road. Jclemens (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Jclemens, I hope you don't mind me dropping by this conversation. I have Keeper's talk watchlisted, and noticed your note. I reviewed that AfD, and I must say, that was a very bold close by Keerper. I must also say that I don't like how you (and the article) were treated. I have watchlisted the article, and will also help keep an eye on it. Regards, S. Dean Jameson 22:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks SDJ! The more eyes the better, tis true for every article. (I'm not sure why you have my talkpage watchlisted, but it seems that thousands do, so welcome to WP:AN/K :-). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm trying to remember when and why I watchlisted it, yet there it is! :) And your talkpage is so ... ahem ... "interesting", that I think I'll have to come back more often! Also, on a side note, I'm having some health concerns with my family that will keep me from editing as often as I have been for the last month or so. I'm looking for the right template for the top of my talkpage. Right now, I have a custom wikibreak template in place, but it's not really a "wikibreak", as I'll still be editing regularly, just not nearly so regularly. Any ideas? S. Dean Jameson 23:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I've replaced your wikibreak template with a "semi-break" template, revert me if you wish: Hope that helps! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
    Wow, it's perfect! And from the looks of it, it's not a standard template, and you did some work on it. I really appreciate it, as I wasn't sure what to do. S. Dean Jameson 00:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • You're very welcome. Wishing you (and your ill family member) well. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Also, I've created an essay that you might be interested in expanding (or not). S. Dean Jameson 02:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
    (There should be a warning at the top of your page: "Warning! Contributing to this page can be hazardous to your sanity..." S. Dean Jameson 02:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC))
My usertalk is insane, I agree. I don't know how that started, honest. There are "rules" to Keeper-pedia listed at the top. That said, I'm moving your new essay into your userspace as soon as I'm done here, because it is a new "essay", it does not yet qualify/deserve "Wikipedia:" space. Don't be offended by that, it is what it is...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
FYI, S.Dean, your essay is now located here. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, well. I thought it might last a BIT longer, especially given the success of WP:WANK's temporary run. :) How does a joke essay achieve official "Wikispace" status, anyway? :) S. Dean Jameson 03:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Generally, they don't, unless there's an important point being made within the humour. If you look here, you'll see that there's no rhyme nor reason to what goes in WPspace and what is in userspace; I suspect most of the ones in WPspace have just been overlooked. Incidentally, be very careful with that essay as it could very easily slip over the thin line that separates a joke from an indefblock. – iridescent 12:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Wow. After I took a quick look through the various ANI threads that had been linked with SJ's "contributions" it appeared clear to me that it was pretty well-established that he was being intentionally... well... goofy. If you think that my little essay is at or near the line of personal attack (I mean, indef block?!?), instead of in good fun, as I meant it to be, I'll simply blank it, and request deletion. S. Dean Jameson 13:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's a personal attack at the moment (hell, I have the "den of pigs" userbox), but what matters is what he thinks. Wikipedia is not a chatroom and there's not really any such thing as "intentionally goofy" anywhere except userspace; this is theoretically supposed to be an academic resource. (Either SJ is having problems and needs help, or is a troll account which is more subtle than usual, all of whose contributions will at some point need to be looked at – anyone familiar with me will know what my guess is). That's not to say humour is a bad thing - you can pretty much see the arguments in favour of humour pages here and against them here, if you care – but just a "step carefully" warning. SJ has long been engaged in a low-level argument with Baseball Bugs, and I can't think of much that's less appealing on Wikipedia than the thought of simultaneous disputes with Baseball Bugs and Betacommand. – iridescent 13:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU, Status, and you!

As you may know, the StatusBot responsible for maintaining the status of the Highly Active Users was taken offline. We now have a replacement in the Qui status system. This semi-automatic system will allow you to easily update your status page found at Special:Mypage/Status which the HAU page code is now designed to read from. If you are already using Qui (or a compatible) system - great! - no action is needed (other than remembering to update your status as necessary). If not, consider installing Qui. You can also manually update this status by changing the page text to online, offline, or busy. While it is not mandatory, the nature of HAU is that people are often seeking a quick answer from someone who is online and keeping our statuses up-to-date will assist with this. Note if you were previously using your /Status page as something other than a one-word status indicator, your HAU entry may have been set to "status=n" to correct display issues. Please clear this parameter if you change things to be "HAU compatible". Further questions can be raised at WT:HAU. This message was delivered by xenobot 22:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, this seems like a lot more work than its worth. I'll remain listed on HAU, but I'm not doing all this. If someone else wants to on my behalf, that's fine. I'm here when I'm here, I'm gone when I'm gone. I have enough stalkers to answer any questions that come from HAU visitors. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The traditional rfa thank you message

AFA Graduates.jpg Thank you for the support!
Keeper76, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 03:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spirit In the Dark

I think you forgot to remove a template from the above. I'd thought of doing it myself but I wasn't sure that I should. --Bardin (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, oops. Thanks for the headsup, Bardin, I removed it. Feel free to clean up any of my goofs in the future :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
No worries. --Bardin (talk) 15:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Per: StewieGriffin! Talk

By the way, it says on the tag, Friday should have tnull'ed the template. You don't need the comment! Thanks for the offer, that article has been deleted now. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 16:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


With Phillippe not always around, you're now my designated "Go-to Admin". Sorry. Couldja take a lookie at Future Man and well me whats up with the Avril Troll... or, more to the point, how we get rid of that crap? Qb | your 2 cents 18:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, Future Man. One of my favorite films has a character named Future Man. Brilliant movie, I daresay you should see it. It was Owen and Luke Wilson before they got all Hollywood-y. Anywho, I'll try to look over there, but no promises on speediness, I'm currently muddling through this little gem and it will probably take most of my online Wiki-time this week. That said, there are oodles of editors/admins that seem to watchlist this page, so if anyone else would like to help out QB, I'm sure she wouldn't mind.  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
The Wilson brothers are pretty hawt little specimens of humanity. Wooty McWooters on the help, though... *runs up the white flag* Qb | your 2 cents 18:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Iiinteresting. I dunno if it was the change of computers (work to home) or if someone came along and fixed it, but theres no more "Avril Troll" crap. So, score! Qb | your 2 cents 19:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a thief!

Heya! I just wanted to say that the section on your userpage entitled "Some days" is spot on and I'm going to steal most of the wording for my userpage. :D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I actually had to go read that section, I forgot all about it there :-) I added that a long time ago. Enjoy! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I will! Thanks. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I completely endorse that sentiment. It's amazing how you'll just get totally sidetracked on some random link that takes you to some new interesting piece of knowledge. –xenocidic (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Drive by comment

My "underachievers" just took two from the I don't care how they've rebranded themselves, they're still the Devil RaysTampa Bay Rays.

Also, question. But I wandered away from this window and forgot what I intended to ask, so never mind. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 20:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind? Never did! I had a witty response to your non-question all worked up, but wandered away...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
my brain has wandered away! It was something about Wonderland Resort but then I realised its issues and AfDed it. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 16:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Special Barnstar

SpecialBarnstar.png The Special Barnstar
Hello there; I have seen you around all over the place whilst undertaking my Wikipedia duties, and you do such a lot of good work, and lend a lot of useful thought. Especially over at WP:RFA. In recognition of this, I feel you should be rewarded somehow. Hence this...;) Lradrama 21:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah shucks, thanks :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
a sincere barnstar? he's not following the rules! –xenocidic (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, Xenocidic, I am male ;). I was just showing someone my appreciation of their work in a nice starry fashion. Making Wikipedia a nice, pleasant place to work. :D Lradrama 21:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
And I think special was just as good as fashioning my own. i actually tried that once, ages ago, but nothing ever came of it :( Lradrama 21:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, don't mind me, i'm just making a passing reference to the barnstarmania that recently passed over this page. i had trouble finding them, keeper tried to hide them in a so-called "barnchive". he probably thinks that's clever. =) –xenocidic (talk) 21:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it's clever, I know it's clever. And not hiding them, they're here.  :) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Eh-hem! Mine isn't there yet! And mine was special... :'( Lradrama 22:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure, but I think the barnchive might just be for the "joking/insincere" barnstars that were created when he held the contest. So don't take offense that he hasn't added your sincere barnstar to it. Quite the opposite actually =). –xenocidic (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Haha yeah, I know, I was only joking! No offense taken. It's been a pleasure talking to you both tonight...back to RFAs, CSDs, AIVs and Noticeboards again tomorrow... ;) Lradrama 09:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry Lradrama, yours will go there too. I'm not sure why Xeno is calling the other one's "insincere", I think all editors should get 20 barnstars in one day :-)...I'll start a new section with yours called "Special"....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Doug Lascody AfD Snow Close


Apologies for bothering you, but I was wondering if I could maybe get you to reconsider the early close of the Doug Lascody AfD [3] that you made per WP:Snow. Since it was only up for two days it seems many of the regular contributors to football afds didn't get a chance to speak up, and I think that if that had happened the afd might not have ended the same way. It's been widely accepted on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football and through afd precedent that neither reserve play nor youth caps establish notability. Some recent examples: [4] [5] [6]. I'm not saying it necessarily wouldn't have ended with a keep, but all the precedents combined with the lack of many regular football contributors make me feel that it might have. I've never actually objected to a snow close before, so I'm not quite sure if I'm going about this right, and apologies if I'm not. I don't know what the correct protocol is (relisted? deletion review? kept until enough time's passed to renominate?), but since you were the closing admin I figured talking to you would be a good first step. Thank you and let me know! Vickser (talk) 22:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

HI Vickser, no need to apologize! I appreciate you coming here first. I will go back and look at the close I made momentarily (I have to admit, I don't remember it :-). Thanks for the link, be right back...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I got caught in one of these messes a few weeks ago. I think we need special admins who only do football-related stuff ;-) Tan | 39 14:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
That would be worse if the football-crazy admins closed the football AfDs. I close them because I could not care less about the outcomes and only interpret the debate I'm reading at any given time...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I looked back through that one again. I stand by my close in this case, although I should not have used the term "WP:SNOW", as you are correct Vickser that it was too early in the debate to make that determination, and I inadvertently caused confusion. My closing rationale should have read the following: "These players are too different to be bundled together in one AFD, especially because one of them, Dominic Cervi, was nominated less than a month ago". Each of the other players' pages seems to make a case for notability, based on the references in the articles, of passing "WP:BIO", which is the parent guideline to the WikiProject's "Footy" guideline. Several have MLS ties along with playing time at the professional (lower tier) level. One has been named to the US National Team. These are different enough that this AFD will not arrive at any consensus, and any or all of these, with better rationale than what's given, can be individually nominated at a later date, or bundled with other players of a closer pedigree/article state/level of notability. They are too different to be bundled." Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC).
Of course, you are welcome re-nominate any of the individuals if you feel that they really really shouldn't be part of Wikipedia. Based on other precedence, namely Dominic Cervi, I really don't see the debates ending in anything other than either "keep" or "no consensus" regardless of how long the debates run. Please ask if you have any further questions about my opinion, and again thank you for your civil approach to the matter (it's refreshing, especially with the "reputation" of some of the more avid football oriented Wikipedians :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for looking into it. A "these can't be bundled" close makes perfect sense. We've had some over bundling lately and another footy bundle had to be closed as the same.[7] I'm probably going to go ahead and renominate at least a few of them individually, and I'll be sure to link to the past AfD. Thank you again! Vickser (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you take a look at this (non-joke) essay I wrote in my userspace?

I was wondering if you and Irid might take a look at this essay that I've created in my userspace regarding my criteria for adminship. I respect both of you, and would value any input you might have. I am cross-posting this to Irid's talkpage as well. Thanks, S. Dean Jameson 14:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No need to crosspost, Irid will probably read it here before his own talkpage...:-) I'll read it now, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Commented there, nice work! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Requesting rollback

Hey, I've been meaning to ask for a couple of days now, would you (or one of your admin talkpage watchers) mind giving me rollbacker? I don't do a TON of vandalism reversion, but as my watchlist grows, I expect I'll be doing more and more, so it would be helpful to have. S. Dean Jameson 15:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done Quick check as I was passing through. Checked your contribs/logs. You're in good standing. Don't abuse, make sure you've read WP:ROLLBACK. Back to work for me...hi keep! Fritzpoll (talk) 15:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, and I won't misuse the tool. It always amazing to me how many people watch Keeper's page! S. Dean Jameson 15:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
You need to get permission to work at home like me :) Gazimoff WriteRead 15:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I do have, being a PhD student/part time employee - but my home has no internet connection until the fifteenth, as I moved home! Get back to your review! I want to see the results :) Fritzpoll (talk) 15:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I play at work and work at home (if you're married with children, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.) Hi Fritz! - hope you're settling in well in your "new digs". With both you and Gwynand gone, things got noticeably less intelligent sounding around the keeper noticeboard: First, I have a shortcut now bestowed on me, WP:AN/K. If you want to see what really was happening in the last week, click on my barnchive..Fair warning, some of it is adult-rated...No offense intended to everyone else about the "less intelligent" comment. I'm including my self as the main instigator of the ridiculousness that was this last week..:-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
The new flat is very, very nice, and 15 minutes closer to one office (University) and 20 minutes further away from the other (company sponsoring/paying me to do extra work). So net gain...pretty high :-P Glad you've not gone insane, sorry you missed the message on my talkpage last week when I was on my mobile phone... Fritzpoll (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Ugh. I'm struggling with when to put in a vote at a recent RfA (one you just edited at). I feel that a long Gwynand-esque vote with diffs might give undue weight early on... anyways, just venting a bit. Think I'll hold off until later. Gwynand | TalkContribs 19:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

He's a good editor, wait a bit. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
For once, I've actually worked with a candidate hands on. Does great editing, I consider him an "article space colleague" and we have done good work together on that Grand Prix Japan article (how the hell did I get involved in that). However... I see major problems with participation at AN/ANI. I've commented to him within the last few weeks about RfA... I am totally perplexed as to why he is running now. I don't see myself supporting, but I'll wait. Your comment in neutral sort of hits it on the head though... Gwynand | TalkContribs 19:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
My comment was meant to not hit him on the head. The ANI stuff I alluded to is referenced in his first talkpage subsection "Bad Form". It's been removed/unarchived, and not worth dwelling on/reliving though. He is an excellent editor though, sigh... Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)


Hello again, I also noticed your funnies and thought I'd direct you to my funnies in the hopes you'd enjoy them. Cheers. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 23:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, this certainly has made me realise what I'm missing by refusing to use the "essential tool". – iridescent 00:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Truth! KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 00:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh, some good chuckles in there :-) this is my fave, if only for its honesty. Reminds me of this vandal. Hilarious stuff, everyday...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I like the where's waldo one. Classic. Kermit reminds me of that Weird Al(?) song Stoned on Sesame Street. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Closing of TomKat deletion debate

I hope that you don't think I'm a pest for pointing this out, but you stated, "...were canvassed for their opinions by the nominator, before he got his account".

Actually, the IP already had his account (User:Againstreason) before contacting all those editors, which is what stood out to me. He'd already gotten an account and yet chose to contact these editors as an IP; it seemed like he did that because he felt there would be less chance of him getting caught WP:CANVASSING or because he was too lazy to sign in. But one of the most prominent things about that is that he didn't do it until he saw that most of the "votes" were for "Keep".

Anyway, I just wanted to state that. I'm not sure if you're allowed to correct that little part in your closing comment, but you were the closer of that deletion debate.

I also wanted to thank you for researching the matter of that debate in which you did, actually taking the time to review what I presented. Moments like these renew my Wikipedia faith. Flyer22 (talk) 00:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The canvassing was obvious, my timeline may have been a bit off tis all. The result of the debate was also an obvious keep, with or without the canvassing issue (although that certainly didn't help). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you help...

As you're quite familiar with contested AfD closures, can you offer some assistance re how to resolve this trainwreck (linked as a diff rather than a wikilink as he's developed a habit of removing posts from his talkpage). I really want to avoid hauling him in front of DRV, as once he comes to the notice of some of the "hard cases" there they'll likely start ripping him to shreds, and given my history with him I don't want to revert-and-relist it myself. (To any of Keepers TPS's who are familiar with AfD, feel free to jump in on this one.) – iridescent 00:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I reopened the debate, replaced the AFD tag on the article, and removed the oldafdfull tag on the article's talk. No need for DRV nonsense, it was clearly and unequivocally not supposed to be closed as "no consensus", especially by someone participating in the debate. Also commented on xp's page. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks... Despite everyone thinking I'm some kind of rampant deletionist (1200 and counting) I actually try to stay away from XfD as much as possible, but that one jumped out at me for obvious reasons. – iridescent 01:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm like a moth to the AFD flame. I can't git (intentional) enough of it...most of my admin work is closing AFDs/deleting speedies. Between deletion/keeping, RFA, and replying to talkpage requests, I don't have any time for article building (yeah, that's "time" for it......Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Have you discovered my favourite hunting ground yet? Anything with an N next to it is about 90% certain to be spam or an attack page, and any edit to a BLP is damn near 100% likely to be vandalism. (<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="">Well, not quite, but you get my drift.) – iridescent 01:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't do too much NPP, I just zap em once someone else finds them and nom's them or tags them. Admin powers to the rescue! Just left you a bright orange message bar, unrelated...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you look into this issue for me?

I am at my wit's end in dealing with User:Utahredrock. Both User:Tvoz and myself have attempted to civilly discuss some AfD issues with him, and he's completely devolved the discussion. If you (or any one of your admin talkpage watchers) could take a quick look through his contributions for me--especially those where he's interacting with either myself or Tvoz, but all of the ones at the AfD are pertinent--and let me know how I might have dealt with him differently, I would appreciate it. Oh, and he's now accusing me of personal attacks on him, which haven't happened. I've told him that falsely accusing people of things like that is uncivil, but he flatly doesn't seem to care. In fact, he said, and I quote, "Report me." So, informal though it is, I am doing so. Regards, S. Dean Jameson 06:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Joel Kass page

Hello Keeper:)

My name is Sheila and I was a student in the music program at NYU and worked on the page. I am more than happy to fax you or the admins the actual texts that I used. I was not the sole author, so I do not have all them but can provide fax or scans of the books in question.

ryan_beta and the meat man and Pater have been duking it out for reasons that have nothing to do with authenticity for that page in my opinion. They are all devout Catholics and are engaged in some very heated diatribes about the Catholic Church. I had it on watch because meatstringer vandalized it a few months earlier from a different IP address. Also, i had my bf who knows about computers do a search for the posts right before meatstringer and its an IP address that goes to a place called the Adrian Dominicans Organization. My bf said you can use an IP tool to examine that and validate it. All three of these guys need to get a partial ban on their accounts or at least as basic, 'time out'.

The comment that Meatstringer contacted Mr Kim would be a feat in itself. In the classical music program we have not even been able to get him to speak yet, so i kind of doubt that is authentic. For the recordings, two of them i have in sheet music and one as an audio recording as I did a paper on it. The comments that Opus 114 and the such represent false claims because they use the word 'Opus' is kind of funny as the word simply means 'number'.

[Lat.,=work], in music, term used in cataloging a composer's works, designating either a single composition or a group published together or considered a unit. Opus numbers assigned by the composer are of greater value than those assigned by the publisher. Beethoven was the first composer whose use of opus numbers was consistent enough to be of value.

I enjoy Wiki. This was my first article I contributed to it.


Sheila —Preceding unsigned comment added by OhSheilaOh (talkcontribs) 18:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I've already replied on the afd Sheila. You're going to need much stronger references than the one you provided from Billboard. All other issues aside, and all other issues I have absolutely no interest in, the 3 articles will likely get deleted without proper sourcing. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Keeper:) I am not a Wiki pro, but i do have the actual sources photcopied that i used. Could I fax/mail them to you so can reivew them yourself? I am still learning how to 'Wiki'.

I do not accept email, IRC, fax, or mail for Wikipedia purposes, so no, sorry. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 19:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Keeper...okey dokey:). I did learn alot this first time in putting somethinig on Wiki! If you want i can post all the refferences I have here and you can locate them. Considering its been vandalized so much, including the ISBN's and dates, I would say delete it. Below are a few from my paper and original post. This actually was a good experience writting something on Wiki as I had no idea before about the process and what happens. Thanks!

Baade, Christina (1994). The Book of Klezmer: The History, the Music, the Folklore from the 14th Century to the 21st. Berkley: University of California Press, p. 114. Dumont, Jim (September 1997). A-Z of Classical Composers. Chicago: Quadrillion Publishing Ltd, p. 21 Tjepkema, Sandra (1982). A Bibliography of Computer Music: A Reference for Composers. Iowa: University of Iowa Press, p. 22-25 Butterworth, Neil (1984). A Dictionary of American Composers. NYC: Garland, p. 52.

OhSheilaOh (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Comment: Delete this article. I work for KMG and I heard about this article series this afternoon and it is (a) innacurate (b) contains a mixture of some items that are correct and some items that are not. Mr. Kass is not a hoax or the company but the information violates copyrighted material and also gives refferences that are simply inaccurate. Feel free to contact me at for any questions. Below is a comment for Sheila, Ryan, MeatStrainer and who know who else:

Sheila or Ryan or Meatstrainer, if you uploaded the music pieces, these are copyrighted works and you were wrong to do as are not GFDL as well as information that is simply false (the parents name are not correct he has not worked with Dr. Dre in any fashion). Further, the work for those artists Sheila was not collaboration, it was arrangement, and that is big difference. Ryan, you claim in a post I have reviewed that you took the picture of Joel in Austria. Can you explain that since the only professional photographer that was there was in house and not you? You also uploaded information from recordings that you claim you got permission from KMG to upload as GFDL. Please take it all down immediately if not for some of the obnoxious claims on there, but on the basis that it violates GFDL. Ryan and Sheila, if you upload content for any KMG artist or library item we have, I will have it forwarded to legal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MostofAll4It (talkcontribs) 01:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

i think i know why ....

...your RFA participation isn't getting parsed properly. Look at how your vote is recorded in this link. It's that #origins of my username thing. Why don't you create a subpage that redirects to teh section and link that instead? It would cut down your sig a bit too. –xenocidic (talk) 01:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Lightbulb! Fix it for me, will ya, Xeno? I'm a technoN00b. Give me the code here, I'll change me sig...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
And feel free to make a subpage for me if you need to. I'm going offline til tomorrow...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Try this code:
[[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] | [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] | [[User:Keeper76/origin|<font color="#ff0000"><small>Disclaimer</small></font>]]
(and the stalkers strike again :-) J.delanoygabsadds 02:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
made a slight tweak to j delanoy's suggestion, and i'll create the subpage. –xenocidic (talk) 02:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey smart sig people, anyone want to fix mine? I know it's too long but I changed it from the previous one: <small>'''TRAVELLINGCARI'''</small>'''<sup>[[User:Travellingcari|My story]]</sup>'''<sub>[[User talk:Travellingcari|Tell me yours]]</sub> when someone else asked to use it and I didn't want to be the same. I know my current one is too long but I don't know how to do anything other than change font size. I don't know colours or fonts. Any takers? Criteria: shorter, link to my talk page, and less boring. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

it's a bit late in the 'eve for creativeness........ by length I assume you mean actual length and not markup length because yours is pretty short as siggies go... hopefully someone else from the Signature Cabal can chime in here, if not in the morning after I have my coffee, I'll take a run at it. –xenocidic (talk) 03:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Travelling cariGiggy 06:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Giggy, LMAO! You trying to get me on Iri/Metros' shit lists? :) That's got to be useful for something. And yes Xeno, actual length shorter or whatever works if it's possible. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
How about
[[User_talk:Travellingcari|Cari]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/Travellingcari|My travels]]</sup>
Which looks like this:
CariMy travels
Not that creative, but maybe it can give you an idea or two. J.delanoygabsadds 14:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Woot! I updated mine using the redirect, genius level thinking there Xeno (and thanks also to J.Del:-) TCari, if you use Giggy's suggestion, so help me...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Is this any better? Opinions? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm more likely to become a Sox fan. I'm allergic to "blinky shit", which is why I hate MySpace with a passion. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 14:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Travellingcari Might violate practically every paragraph of WP:SIG, but as the Kiddy Kabal are so fond of reminding me, that's a guideline, not a policy... – iridescent 17:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
as my friend Paris would say, "That's hot." Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 17:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks good Keeper, hopefully the RFA parser will recognize you correctly going forward. –xenocidic (talk) 19:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh wow. That is hot. Reminds me of a meme xenocidic might know of; no, not in the pit, it buuuuuuuurns! (30 seconds in) —Giggy 13:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Outdent for the sake of readability. Iri, I love it. Unfortunately I think I'm a dinosaur. Ran into someone who was born the year I graduated high school. I? Feel old. That and packing just causes pain. Oh and J.d? Love it. Made a tweak into what has become my defacto nickname but it's essentially yours. Thanks. TCariMy travels 03:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My CSD history

Hey Keep. I was hoping you could take a look at whatever I have in my CSD history and copy-and-paste that on my talk, if possible (or just sum up what the activity looks like). I don't believe I have nommed an article for speedy in quite some time... I think I did them so long ago that I originally thought that was the only way to go about deleting an article, probably most of them weren't CSD worthy. Wanted to see what was there, also how long ago it was. If any other admin sees this first and wants to help, it'd be appreciated. Thanks. Gwynand | TalkContribs 13:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gwyn (my daily passing through) - don't think the tools give us any greater ability to work this out than you do - though I'd be interested to know if we do. Fritzpoll (talk) 14:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I can't see my deleted contribs. Gwynand | TalkContribs 14:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done Tan | 39 14:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done better :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yahwell. Mine took three seconds. :-) Tan | 39 14:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
And mine took effort. Because I heart Gwynand and think he's more important than a three second cut/paste. pthdthdthddpdhd (that's the sound of me sticking my tongue out at you). Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm an important man with an important job with very important things to do. Just because your A7 ass has the time to suck up to Gwynand....  ;-) Tan | 39 14:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Keeper. Tan... very dissapointing. :). Anyways, yeah reviewed it all. For some reason I thought back in June of 2007 I was trying to speedy articles like Brazil and Truman Capote. Looks not to be the case, just a few hiccups on CSD when I was a noob. Gwynand | TalkContribs 14:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it was one of your sockpuppets. And of course, the only "CSD tags" that are in your deleted contribs are the ones that actually get deleted. If you CSD tag an article that is declined, your contrib is perfectly visible in your regular contribs. Had you CSD'd Truman or Brazil, it wouldn't make it to your D/C's. And Tan, my ass doesn't qualify for an A7 (non notable) delete unfortunately. I would like to invoke a U1 though...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. I feel rather stupid now...maybe I need to redo my training... Fritzpoll (talk) 14:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I sort of want to know what tag Gwynand used for Brazil. It's sort of, well, big... Tan | 39 14:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
{{hoax}}? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what's worse...y'all having all this time to spend on this, following it :-)  Frank  |  talk  14:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh hell, Frank, this is nothing. It still fits in my browser window without scrolling...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I've never been to Brazil, pictures of Brazilian cities I'm pretty sure are just New Orleans during Mardi Gras. Gigantic hoax, eligible for speedy as far as I'm concerned. OK let's run my RfA now :) Gwynand | TalkContribs 15:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Only if one of your campaign promises is to indef block anyone that tries to recreate "Brazil". Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Arg, a blue link? What troll keeps creating that? Back to CSD! Gwynand | TalkContribs 15:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
lol. Did anyone else notice what category this talk page is in? Just perfect... J.delanoygabsadds 15:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
LMAO! How did that get there? That's not true! [dubious ] Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
And Gwynand, this Brazil issue is rampant and complex. The trolls have added to the "authenticity" by doctoring images, and creating categories. I think we may have some meatpuppetry going on...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
You can't delete Brazil anyhow.

This page has a large edit history, over 5,000 revisions.

Deletion of such pages has been restricted to prevent accidental disruption of Wikipedia..
..... Pedro :  Chat  15:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
So that means the socks have won this battle, true. But not the war...Or maybe the British won, no the Americans. Or wait, it wasn't a victory, only a psychological victory for the British, but a strategic victory for the Americans. Tan, who am I? Good times....Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c x2) I'll help. Just give me my deleted contribs so I can see if I need to use shock and awe for my RFA or if I can just pass while being nice. Once we get that out of the way, we can tag-team delete all references to this nefarious plot and we can indefblock anyone (including IPs) who says that this nonsense called "Brazil" actually exists. We cannot let the integrity of Wikipedia be damaged so horrendously.
Crap. The idiots even have the devs on their side. This is going to be harder than I thought....
(Seriously, I would be interested in seeing my deleted contribs. If you're willing to give them to me, you can just do a (crappy) impersonal copy/paste to my sandbox, because I have a lot of deleted contribs.) J.delanoygabsadds
Tan is better at the crappy ones, I'm sure he'll do it. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c x3)Oh, wow. Does that mean I can try to delete any old really popular page and it won't work?  Frank  |  talk  15:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually Frank, that was the reason the 5,000 limit was imposed! Pedro :  Chat  15:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
In addition to the prevention of deleting such article, there should be a bot function that automatically desysops the admin trying to do it. Now that would be funny. Gwynand | TalkContribs 15:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I actually suggested to someone the other day that they should let you go through the whole "delete page" form for the Main Page, and when you click "submit", it comes up with an alert that says
Since you have tried to delete the main page, there is strong evidence that your account has been comprimised. To protect the encyclopedia, all rights have been removed from your account.
Only trouble with that is, people like Tan 39 would try it "just to see if it really works". ;) J.delanoygabsadds 15:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Only thing is J- that exact situation happened ... see this and the links from it ... Pedro :  Chat  16:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
He got de-sysopped? I couldn't find anything in his log. J.delanoygabsadds 16:05, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
No - he just got told to "try" something and did it! It was worse than a de-sysop - it was a rather large fillet-o-fish !!Pedro :  Chat  16:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I can see this in my future: "Oppose - strong possibility that Gwynand might attempt to delete Brazil and 12,453 sub articles." Gwynand | TalkContribs 15:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Even better: "Support - User pledged to delete all references to Brazil. This way, we won't feel so guilty since we don't use ethanol." :D J.delanoygabsadds 15:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Holy crap J.D. You've gotta lotta deleted edits. Particularly concerning to me is how many of them are not Brazil-related deletions. You're the mole! Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
DAMN!!!! I've been exposed!!!!!!!!! God, you're lucky I'm not an admin, Keeper.... :) J.delanoygabsadds 15:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm, what does this link do? ;-)  Frank  |  talk  15:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
You think that's good, yesterday I personally put THIS link on the Admin's noticeboard. I was just waiting for someone to accidentally (or not.....) click on it... :) J.delanoygabsadds 16:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I did see that yesterday. I decided it was someone else's problem. Clicking the "Block" button at the bottom of that screen would have made it my problem, I think :-)  Frank  |  talk  16:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Hee, yeah, slightly. I've been tempted to do something like move an admin's userpage to "on WHEELS" just to see what they do in response. (read: Would they block me as a troll/vandal or as a compromised account? :-) J.delanoygabsadds 16:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm presuming that's a rhetorical question, but the answer in my case is "probably not immediately". But I'm green in this mop thing; I'll probably get more jaded as time goes on. But I would check other contributions and see what's going on first. True vandals do not seem to be content to do one thing. They want to be noticed, and they do it again. (I've been "WHEELed" myself, FWIW, before I was an admin.)  Frank  |  talk  16:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Rhetorical question - yes. I am often curious to see what various (rather dangerous) things would result in, but I am rarely brave (or stupid) enough to try them out. I guess that's a good thing. J.delanoygabsadds 16:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
A glimpse into the exciting world of the Wikipedia Administrator.
The "Block button" isn't an actual button – clicking on Special:BlockIP/J.delanoy brings up this screen which would still need to be filled in. I think you're safe. – iridescent 18:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

An important note

This is why wikipedia is awesome. I'm gonna go spend the rest of my day clicking on links there. Now that I'm a pop I have to start limiting quantity of drinks, but not quality. Ooooohhhh... a Singapore Sling sounds good. Gwynand | TalkContribs 16:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I'm pretty sure, because of the extra expense of Huggies, et al, my quality went down at the same rate as my quantity going up....hope yer boy's well!  :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
He's good. Almost always pees when we change him, usually requiring multiple huggies. We've gone through probably 50 this week. I plan to try out this whole debt thing before I lower the quality of my drinks. Gwynand | TalkContribs 16:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, yeah - apologies Gwyn I forgot. Congratulations! Pedro :  Chat  16:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c re to Gwyn)Neat trick for that. Make sure the room is warm, it's the blast of colder air upon de-diapering that triggers the "involuntary urination". I'm not recommending a hair dryer or anything, just a slow "transition" from diapered to nekked...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Well... plus we were literally dripping warm water onto him to help clean the circumcision. Basically instant squirt when that happens. Thanks Pedro... I know you've gone through this before. Despite the whole lack of sleep thing... I'm really enjoying all of this. Gwynand | TalkContribs 16:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
You didn't mention that, may as well put his hand in a glass of water...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Breaking in to change the subject: Has anyone else actually tried that (putting someone's hand in warm water while they're sleeping)? I tried it with my brother when I was like 9, and it didn't work. J.delanoygabsadds 16:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Just tried it. Works. I'll be back in like 20 minutes. Gwynand | TalkContribs 16:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

<--And to bring this insane discussion back full circle, I just closed this debate...doing my small part in the fight...(and before anyone takes this too seriously, please please read the whole thread, and don't make me add a {{humor}} tag...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


Regarding this, how does the 90-100 degree weather that we have here in the afternoons sound? :) (Hotter than the average RfB it seems!) Thanks for your recent help. Acalamari 17:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

It sounds awful. Where I live, it is 93 degrees F outside, with a dewpoint in the high seventies (for all you celsius lovin folks, it translates to f***ing hot). Think Amazonian. Usually, when it gets that warm in Minnesota, this happens (and is predicted for later today). Joy. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 18:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice work!

Nice work, pretty near the knuckle I think. ;-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 19:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Someone pissed in my cheerios this morning. I needed a good vent :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 19:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
You want an entertaining read? I'm going to start typing up the RREV stuff today :P Gazimoff WriteRead 19:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Way to totally try and steal Keeper's thunder, Gaz. Gosh, let him have his moment!--KojiDude (C) 19:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Alright, alright! Besides, it's going to be {{underconstruction}} for a while... Gazimoff WriteRead 20:17, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking forward to it Gaz. And don't worry about my thunder, Koj, nobody puts baby in the corner... Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
This was a great improvement! :) Hilarious! Acalamari 22:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Another day in the crazy den of pigs...

Sorry, but I needed to share this with someone and (as with so many things) AN/K seems the appropriate place. Oh, that France, glad he cleared that up... (Just how long does AGF last, anyway?) – iridescent 23:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

that seems very AfD-able. Again, I'm offline at the moment, will be for at least 12 hours, so you didn't hear it from me...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:36, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, now I'm really offline, but I did have time to afd it. Strangeness all around, can't find anything online. Willing to be proven wrong with this one...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I Are Tired Cat, so I won't bother looking up diffs, but there's some more Crazy-Den-O-Pigs-ness on AN/I under "Gabriel Murpy article". (Can anyone translate "O shtrr. Yhis belongs in WP:Deletion Review"?? Or even pin down what language it's in?)Gladys J Cortez 02:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll have a go at it. "O shtrr." (Translation: This is a real problem ("shitter").) "Yhis belongs in WP:Deletion Review. Adminstirators do not usually bypass wikeipdia procedures for no reason and there is not much any admin can do re: this topic." (Translation: I am saying exactly the same thing that 10 other editors have already said in this thread so far, but using more difficult to understand language.) "In deletion review, the closing admin for your article wil have his or hjer judgment reviwed by other users tod etermine whether or not it was correct co close it and if consensus was appropriately determined or wehther or not this issue should be overturned and the deletion be revoked." (Translation: Deletion review is hard to understand. I don't really get it, but I think you just kind of hope that people will think that the admin who closed it was wrong.) I hope my long hours of studying the native tongue help you more fully understand the points that were being made in that masterpiece. S. Dean Jameson 02:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles/Cassie Keller

Hey! Do you think the revised version is good enough to either move back to mainspace outright or move back, but merge and redirect, or should I continue working it further in userpsace? --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 18:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi LeGrand! Looking back at the AfD, the overriding reason for deletion was that it was a non-notable fictional character's article with no references. I see that you now have references, I would think though still that a merge would be more appropriate to the film's article, with Cassie Keller as a redirect to that page. (You advocated for a merge at the AfD, as did others that wanted to see the information saved/salvaged). You did nice work on it, btw, let me know when and where it lands and I'll delete the "usersubpage" for you after you move it. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I have merged the relevant material and have moved the article into mainspace and then redirected accordingly. --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 02:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Great work! I've deleted the redirect that was coming from your userspace. Happy editing, Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a bad, bad, person :(

I just flamed some poor unsuspecting good-faith-but-sloppy Huggler to hell and back on RFA. I feel like I kicked a puppy. – iridescent 20:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops. Forty lashes for Irid. Tough love perhaps, it was something he/she needed to hear I'm sure, you don't take RFA lightly or "make up" reasons to oppose. I highly doubt you've ever said any of the oppose views I just typed up. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Sloppy Huggler's deserve kicking to hell and back. What's the problem? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 20:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Rereading, Iridescent never said he didn't enjoy kicking the puppy, to be honest. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I've been seeing a lot of reports to AIV about people that were clearly editing in the good faith. Hugglers need to slow the fuck down.xenocidic (talk) 20:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
    ooh! Such language Xeno. Fuck me, that was rash. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
For a group of people with such a nice name, they seem to be well-hated by the Keeper-pedia community. Ironic.--KojiDude (C) 20:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
"I use Huggle so fast so of course I make more errors" has got to be one of the worst explanations I've ever seen for just about anything. On reflection, I could have been a lot harsher. And that sig looks oddly familiar to me... – iridescent 20:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I have never said (and will never say) that I hate Huggle, or hugglers. I'm wary of them, perhaps even a bit terrified. I believe others here would agree there is no "hate" involved, perhaps annoyance at best. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The big thing people need to do with Huggle is pay attention. Vandal-fighting should not be a race, but it always has been. Huggle makes this worse through its tremendous speed . Huggle's speed ensures that if something is vandalism, it will be reverted very quickly, especially if several people are on at once. In their haste to "get the revert" many, many Huggle users knee-jerk revert anything even remotely resembling vandalism. If you take a second to actually read the diff, and check things out in Firefox if you're not sure, Huggle is THE best anti-vandal tool ever made. J.delanoygabsadds 20:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec) During the assorted testing runs, at a rough estimate I've made at least 4000-5000 Huggle edits myself, so I probably technically qualify as a Huggler. What I do notice, is that when Gurch, Persian Poet Gal, Epbr123, J.delanoy etc are using it, they somehow manage to use it without racking up a string of "unavoidable mistakes". – iridescent 20:51, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

<--this really isn't related (because I can't relate, still haven't loaded huggle), but J.d, what you said about "racing" seems to be true at WP:RFR. Most requests are filled within 2 minutes of the request coming in. It's almost as if admins (I'm including myself in this) are rushing to be the one that gets the little notch in their Userright log for granting rollback. Maybe no one else is fellin' that, but I can't believe how many times I edit-conflict over there when a "new request" pops up. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm assuming you saw this, Irid? You is a powerful powerful person it seems....Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My view on this is coloured by the fact that yesterday evening, while I was merging three articles, some damned Huggler came along behind me and reverted me. I mean, me, I ask you. On the other hand, I've got to admit that was pretty brave of them. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm actually tempted to revert your edit here on my talk, citing harassment, or maybe wikilawyering. Just to see how that sits with you.  :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Oooh. I can feel the hackles on my back beginning to rise already. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Re to Keeper – ironically, while it wouldn't have passed after that, if he'd left it open he'd have picked up a fair few supports (Majorly supports anything I oppose, and the Kiddy Kabal would have wanted to make a point). This is why (despite my reputation) I hardly ever actually oppose at RFA.  – iridescent 21:10, July 11, 2008
Dear god, what have I done now? – iridescent 21:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Ironically, that's a much more mature response than some of the flames I've seen when an RFA gets snowed under...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:30, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind me hopping in here even though im on a wikibreak, but i rather don't want this to be classified as yet another crybaby response to a failed RFA :). YES, i am indeed going on a wikibreak because of the RFA, but NO im not doing so because i want to prove a point or because i am all angry now. (Please permaban me the instance i fall even lower then the vandals i revert)

Till a certain height i can agree with the comments given on the RFA. I have been given nudges for being overzealous, and i have been notified of mistakes in the past. Personally i thought they got less and less, but it seems i have just been fooling myself. I do have a fond disagreement with the statement that unbalanced editors cannot be admins even in their own natural habit due to the lack of all round experience and i also cannot help but finding your thoughts on Huggle a bit... Single sided Iridescent. While mistake are indeed made, the vandalism reverted by it is an order of magnitude bigger then with previous methods and tools. While the regular editor notices a bigger error ratio, you cannot deny its also quite a bliss to have virtually no vandalism to articles. Even so, i cannot deny that i am making mistakes. To many? Perhaps. And that's what i want think over . Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 21:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Again, I'll say it. I find that to be a rather mature response. I don't fault Iridescent for opposing your RfA, his reasoning was valid (and had the RfA run longer, I would have most likely followed suit after my own investigation of your contribs). But still, I'm very impressed by your post here, and your response to a "bad" RfA, Excirial. Completely unrelated, I notice that your signature is strikingly similar to someone else's. Not a problem, generally, but do you have any RL affiliation with XP54321 (or whatever?) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment, i appreciate it. And now you say so, yes i know XP54321 quite well. In fact, i adopted him some time ago. (Ever wondered why his user page looks so similar to mine? :P) Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 21:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you and he the same person? Do you know each other in real life? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Double negative on that. (Your not saying i got a sock except coreva, do you?). I suspect that XP simply copied over the code i used for my signature since I was the first with a colored siggy on his page. The user page is definitely the same story, as i doubt a lot of people would use Firefox specific code to create nice round borders (Its not even in the official api docu the last time i checked). Actually, he would not be the first. Have a look at where this blode is transcluded, and you might see some very similar things. Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 22:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Good to know, I believe you, and sorry I had to ask :-) It was the bolded quite in your reply, and the matching sig, that got me thinkin. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent, edit conflict) I think that there's a place for Huggle, and that it does help fight against vandalism. Heck, I've even used it myself when I'm not doing anything else on-wiki. The trick is though, to only use it in cases of really blatant vandalism. If there's something that you're not sure on, or unclear, fire up your browswer and take a more detailed look. It might be a new user that needs welcoming, or an edit war that needs resolving, or a number of other options except clicking revert and moving on. That's the difference between using a tool heavily and letting some innocent edits get reverted, and using it cleverly to make a better experience for all concerned. Hope this helps, Gazimoff WriteRead 22:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Gaz. I've used huggle myself, and it's an incredible tool. but it should definately not be a "race" (and neither should WP:NPP - that's even worse). there's no rush - someone else will get to it if you don't. slowing down will no doubt eliminate the false positives. –xenocidic (talk) 03:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Simple English Wikipedia main page design

Ohai Keeper. I just wanted to say my main page design proposal is on the main page of Simple English Wikipedia.[8]. :) -- RyRy (talk) 20:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Oy crap, Ryan! That's pretty cool (and way over my head). You have every right to brag! I didn't see your name in the mainpage 2008 designs, must have missed it! I'm thoroughly impressed. What's funny is that as soon as I saw that annoying watchlist message that said "the main page is getting redesign proposals", I thought, Hmmm, I wonder if RyRy is submitting something" Seriously, I did. I know that you enjoy page layout. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:42, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Hm, your know I'm talking about Simple English Wikipedia, right? It sounds like your talking about the English Wikipedia, which I haven't designed, but added my proposal. :P -- RyRy (talk) 20:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
No, that's what I meant. I was wondering if you had made a proposal over here, and didn't see it. I'll go look again, and congrats on the simple-main! Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! :D And yes, I made a proposal, which is almost like the one I designed at Simple. :) -- RyRy (talk) 20:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Ryry, if your page design becomes the one that is on the mainpage, the one viewed by millions of visitors daily, I will be in complete awe, and I will stand up at my desk and clap for you. I likely won't vote (is there a vote even? I haven't paid that much attention) for any of them, but I wish you all the best with it. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks keeper. :) I hope it makes it too. I'd be amazed if it did. And I don't know if there's going to be a vote, or even how it will be decided to go on the main page. -- RyRy (talk) 21:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm willing to bet that, with that many proposals, absolutely nothing will actually change, especially if we delude ourselves into thinking that we need some flippin' consensus to change anything. Or maybe I'm being extra cynical today...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
RyRy, I do realise that you're not responsible for the content of Simplepedia, but this has to be one of the most ridiculous pages I've ever seen. What is the point of showing both the "complicated English" and "simple English" versions of something translated from Greek? – iridescent 21:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Erm, I don't see how that relates to me. Or was that a general comment? Could you explain more? -- RyRy (talk) 21:53, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
No, purely a general observation on a particularly peculiar page (I did say that I realise you're not responsible for it!) – iridescent 21:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I know you said I wasn't responsible for it, I just needed a clarification. :) -- RyRy (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

<-- Uh, this is okay to have, right? I'm not so sure it it's necessary or not. -- RyRy (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Personally I don't think it's any worse than WP:FAT, although I'm not sure it's necessary given that it duplicates FAT. Ask SandyGeorgia and she'll glower at them as appropriate if necessary. – iridescent 22:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree. If they're up to the job, let them do the job. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c reply to ryry)Well, that's interesting. Wondering how that fits in with the recent Mfd...I haven't looked that closely though...are there barnstars involved? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I hope not. I don't think so, no. -- RyRy (talk) 22:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Any anti-barnstar people may want to keep their powder dry for four more days. – iridescent 22:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC) (Follow on post as people seem baffled by that) Around the World goes live in four days and while I have no real idea what the challenge will be, looks very barnstarry. This is not repeat not any kind of threat to MfD it. – iridescent 22:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
RyRy, I’d be really jealous. Keeper himself has already said that you’re a better Wikipedian than I am (RyRy has written whole articles! What have you done to make Wikipedia a better place besides revert vandalism? Nothing!), and this would light the fuse for me.
Seriously, I’d be proud of you. But I’d still be jealous. You’re younger than me, yet have so much more than me: girlfriend, successful wiki-career, talent in coding…you should be lucky. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 01:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
When did I ever say that Ryan was "better" than you Sam? Did I honestly type ryRy has written whole articles! What have you done to make Wikipedia a better place besides revert vandalism? Nothing! ??? Really? Was it before or after you gave me whiskey? Did I really type that somewhere? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, not the nothing. An I never gave you whiskey, just iced tea
I just added the nothing for effect, since I was in a sour mood and felt like being a bitch.
Remember our first rollback exchanged after I fuckedscrewed (can't type "fucked" here) up using Huggle? Shapiros10 contact meMy work 23:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Eva Carrière

This looks like a decently sourced article now. Might wanna take a look at it. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters(Broken clamshellsOtter chirps) 03:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

  • I suggested merging at that AfD. I think it makes the most sense, given the lack of individual notability of the subject of that article. I'd love to hear your thoughts if you wanted to perhaps reply to my comment there. S. Dean Jameson 04:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I've already tried to backtrack my way out of this one, problem was I went offline right after nominating. I apologized to Smith Jones for the nom. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Random Question

Hi again Keeper, Okay, this may be a little weird, but I ended up keeping your talk page on my watchlist after the Doug Lascody question and I now have an issue which needs some administrator advice, and I thought this might be a good place to ask. (For the record, Go away weirdo and stop watching my page! is a totally appropriate response.) The New Jersey School Report Card was nominated for <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="">deletion. I decided to go ahead and fix it up, and the nominator's now against deletion. Someone's now recommended we nominate it for DYK, but I feel like that wouldn't be appropriate since it's still got an open afd tag on it. Could you or (one of the uninvolved administrators who lurk here) take a look and see if it's appropriate for an early closure since the nominator's withdrawn his request? If you think it's not that's obviously 100% fine, I just figured it was worth looking into since I think it would be kind of fun to submit something to DYK. Thanks! Vickser (talk) 04:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

 Closed as "keep" per nominator's withdrawal. (non-admin closure), by S. Dean Jameson 04:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Dean! This may be the most helpful page I've found on wikipedia. Vickser (talk) 04:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Not a problem at all, and welcome to WP:AN/K, a page I stumbled upon only a short while ago, and have rarely left since! In all seriousness, a lot of really great (and much better than me) editors and admins watch this page. It's often a great place to get answers, help, or just a few chuckles. Regards, S. Dean Jameson 05:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
While it's not really an issue in this particular circumstance since it would have headed for a keep anyway, "nominator withdrawn" is not grounds to early-close an AfD if there's even one delete vote - and if there are any delete votes it's generally A Very Bad Idea to perform non-admin closures. – iridescent 22:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


I responded there regarding your rebuttal of my comment regarding Wikipedia:Sock#Clean_start_under_a_new_name. Useight (talk) 06:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

replied there. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA Script

Hey, just wanted to drop you a line, and, let you know, that why you have a lot of parse failures, is that because it sees your username in a lot of cases as "Keeper76#Origins of My Username" [9]. I'm going to work on filtering that out, but, I thought I'd let you know :) SQLQuery me! 07:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

There, massively fixed. [10] :) Enjoy! SQLQuery me! 07:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, excellent! (and actually, Xenocidic noticed it and I changed my sig to not have "#" in it anymore :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
My s/o/n is 131/14/10, with 15 unparsed. Of the 14 I've opposed, only 1 is an admin (and he passed with around 60% support). Fascinating tool SQL, simply fascinating. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

If I ever decide to disappear...

it seems Wikipedia won't let me :). Guess I'll hafta stay. I actually wasn't trying to delete my noticeboard here, honest. I was trying to look at "history", and the (admin) delete button is right next to "history" on my browser, accidentally clicked it, only to find out that I couldn't delete it if I wanted to. No RTV for keeper! Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Unpopular.... Pedro :  Chat  15:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
that's actually a good thing Peds (as you learned not too long ago when you had to "disappear"). It also means that you are editing the encyclopedia instead of user talk :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, well actually I still have issues related to why I had to blank everything previously - it's being part of the reason I've been inactive (although mostly due to RL pressures). Hopefully by next Thursday I'll be back to speed). Pedro :  Chat  15:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I gotta admit, I miss seeing your pretty little white/blue box-sig around, as I know that it almost certainly follows an intelligent post. Unless it's one of your imposters, and not the bona fide Pedro...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Does "Imposter" have a place on Malleus' page meaning "You're and admin so I don't want to say SOCK" :) He - thanks matey - end of next week and I'll be flying again. Not with inteligent copmments, just beating hell out of CSD! Pedro :  Chat  16:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Heh

Yep, you did beat me, and I am ashamed at my lack of vigilance. :'-(

I am also incredibly honored (or honoured, I don't know, are we using BrEnglish here?) that you posted on my talk page. I never thought that a mere autoconfirmed rollbacker could receive such a thing.

I do have to deflate your ego a little, though. (the tone for that last sentence is the same as me saying "yes, I would like plastic bags" at the supermarket) Huggle tends to give precedence to edits in the mainspace, so I rarely revert a large amount of vandalism on userpages. I have (to the best of my memory) never reverted vandalism on my own userpage with Huggle. I catch it from my watchlist occasionally, and once I clicked on the link to my userpage to change it to say that I was busy, and it came up with "THIS USER IS A FUCKING NERD WHO HAS NO LIF AND LIVES IN HIS MOM"S BASEMENT!!!!1!1", so I got that revert.
(Actually, that is a very lame excuse. Huggle gives precedence to edits made by users who have been warned previously regardless of where they (the vandals) edit. There is no real reason why I didn't get the revert on my own userpage other than the fact that 1) you were paying attention and 2) I wasn't. *cries*)

Either way, thanks for the revert, and when I get a revert on your userpage, I'll try to be mature... (Notice I said I'd try....)

J.delanoygabsadds 15:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

First of all, I'm a red blooded, freedom lovin', rodeo watchin', war mongerin', stars-and-stripes American. Don't ever type "honour" on my page again. :-) And I will give you a barnstar if, after my userpage is vandalified, you are the first stalker to get to it. :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
British English struck and censored. (you have no idea how hard is was for me not to type "censoured" there...) After all, I did wikilink "Special:BlockIP/J.delanoy" on this page.
Anywho, when I get a revert on your userpage, I'll be here with my hand held out. (and your barnstar will receive an honored place on my userpage. :-) J.delanoygabsadds 16:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
  • What's with the black colour omitting that text? Can you do me a favour and remove it? (lulz) I just HAD to drop in here and show people this choice piece of vandalism that came from the United States Army Artificial Intelligence Center and this thread seemed appropos because of keepers patriotism up there. I thought it was quite flavourful. There's a rumour going around that this is the place to post stuff like this. Anyways, it's been an honour dropping in here. Yours truly, –xenocidic (talk) 23:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Goddam /b/ is starting to really get on my nerves. At least the ED trolls are occasionally funny. – iridescent 23:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
That's from /b/, or are you talking about something else? –xenocidic (talk) 23:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
That's undoubtedly from /b/ – I just reverted it about five times in a row to assorted articles. They've hit on an amusing new wheeze of two different users adding the same vandalism to an article seconds apart from each other – so the Hugglers revert the second edit back to the first vandal and merrily move on, leaving the article a vandalised wreck. You'd think after a year of this they'd be bored by now. (Of course, what Fort Irwin is doing surfing /b/ is another matter... – but it's your tax, not mine.) – iridescent 00:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
It most certainly is not my tax =)xenocidic (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
All the same thing. – iridescent 00:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

About that AfD

For what it's worth (and maybe it's not much), I didn't think you were so far off-base with that AfD nomination. I still think that the article is a definite merge candidate with Arthur Conan Doyle, and I may yet place a tag to that effect on the article. Either way, with the way the article looked when you nommed it, I can see how you made the decision to do so. What do you think about a proposal to merge it with the ACD article? S. Dean Jameson 15:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My last edit of the day yesterday shouldn't have been an AFD nom though, especially for a borderline article. Had I noticed SJ's "references", I would have quickly withdrawn the nom before I ever even let people discuss it. A merge discussion may be appropro, may not, that's up to anyone interested in the subject (read:not me), and would happen on the talkpage of either the mergeto article or the mergefrom. Cheers, and thanks for your kind words SDJ. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not that interested either. I simply investigated the subject after seeing the post on your talkpage (am I an official "stalker" yet), and thought it seemed a prime candidate for merge and redirect. S. Dean Jameson 16:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
"Official stalkers" are those that have made 10+ edits. You've made over 20, so yes, you're official.  :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
You really should create a userbox for us creepy stalkers. S. Dean Jameson 17:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Some nub already did:
Obscured jaguar.jpg Beware! This user is a known talk page stalker.
a whole page, actually. –xenocidic (talk) 01:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
rawr... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:17, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Re Carriere

no problem mate. I thought ai have put the {{reflist}} template on the pag ebut I must have forgoten. Dont worry about it though. :D Smith Jones (talk) 17:18, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Well put

Just a brief note of appreciation for the wording of your note under the Kurt support on Morthange's RFA. In all the fuss over Kurt, I can't remember anyone else saying it's "us" causing the problem. Nice. Dean B (talk) 19:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thank you for your supoprt at my RFA, which closed successfully. I see that you describe me as having clue - to ensure I keep it, I intend to add myself to the Trout list once I've sent out all these thank you letters. Take care, StephenBuxton (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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Sad baseball day

RIP Bobby Murcer. I was shocked when I heard that, mid-painting. Radio (and possibly TV) held back the announcement until Girardi could tell the team. From what I hear, he and Scooter were calling the game together. Those are the first broadcasters I remember. Back to de-paintifying! I swear it's even in my eyelashes! TCariMy travels 01:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It's sad when any baseball player dies. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 13:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
It is, and this is a great article, if marred by the joke quote from Steinbrenner. Talk about a bridge, Mantle to MAttingly. TCariMy travels 14:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
May HIm and Rizzuto call games in heaven for the rest of their days. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 14:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Is it strange that I was thinking of you TCari when I heard that the other night? I don't know many Yank-fans IRL (none that I consider friends anyway). The problem with getting old is the players you idolized "as a kid" start dying, most recently for me, the best centerfielder of all time...for (most) of the stalkers, you'll understand when people like Jeter and Mauer start dying of "natural causes". Sigh, Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Totally agreed re: Kirby, I rememebr him playing and was shocked when he died. Also granted Cory Lidle was an accident but still, people my age aren't supposed to die. I got cable connected yesterday and was luckily able to see/hear some of the YES tributes. I can still hear Murcer in the booth. That's how I remember him, although I think I did see him play. I think we're even -- I know a number of Vikings fans, but you're the only Twins fan. Baseball is an inherent part of the keeperpedia. TCariMy travels 21:03, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Concern on oppose at RfA

Resolved: without keeperintervention

Keeper (or associated talk page stalkers), I'm a bit worried about the first oppose on this RfA, which seems to be a tit-for-tat bad faith oppose based on the candidate notnow closing the opposer's RfA. Question is, should the oppose be allowed to stand? I've provided information in a neutral tone as a comment against the opposer's rationale, but should any further action be taken? Your guidance, as always, is welcome. Many thanks! Gazimoff WriteRead 16:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, let it stand. Looks like a perfectly legit oppose; it's not for us to second-guess the reasoning (WJB is perfectly capable of doing that when he closes it). We've had far stupider comments allowed to stand in RFAs. – iridescent 16:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) :If I may interject and give my opinion on the matter, editors are allowed to !vote based on any reason they deem fit. And while this definitely appears to be a tit-for-tat attempt at revenge, I believe the oppose should remain there and if the RFA ends up in the "gray area" of around 75%, the closing bureaucrat will take that into consideration. Useight (talk) 16:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Alright, as a follow up question, was adding the comment with the link a valid response to the oppose? I would like to make sure I haven't been out of line or unfair. Gazimoff WriteRead 16:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't have responded at all. Voters can evaluate the RfA how they deem fit, and outside of the worst cases of bad-faith or vandalism, I don't think we should be adding such caveats below the votes. Gwynand | TalkContribs 16:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I've struck it following further information from xenocidic. it's one thing to cite a concern, it's another thing to provide potentially misleading information. Gazimoff WriteRead 17:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I did tell you you'd know it when you saw it

 – iridescent 19:13, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I looked thru all of them, none strike me as overall dramatic. So, you were wrong, thinking that I was smarter than I look. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Resolved: without Keeperintervention

I was changing the referencing format in this article when I cocked up the last change I made and stupidly reverted myself, thereby losing everything I'd done over the last few days, as nobody else had been editing the article. Is it possible to get the last version (the one I just reverted) back again? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Reverted. For future reference, if you open the old version in the history, and click "edit", then save without making any changes, it reverts to that version. – iridescent 21:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks iridescent, I'll keep that in mind for future reference. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 21:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Just a point of order, shouldn't that be "keepervention"? –xenocidic (talk) 23:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I wonder

If I post here asking you a nonsensical question such as this one, will you actually reply or will the stalkers beat you to it (yet again)?--KojiDude (C) 22:36, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes he will. – iridescent 22:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikiproject Minnesota

Hey, was wondering if you can add in the code for "C-class" to the Wikiproject Minnesota template. I already had it added for the NFL template, but noticed that Minnesota has not yet been updated. You would need to add in
|C|c=[[Category:C-Class Minnesota articles|{{PAGENAME}}]]
|B|b=[[Category:B-Class Minnesota articles|{{PAGENAME}}]]
Thanks.--Finalnight (talk) 05:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done (Hopefully correctly). Let me know if I screwed it up :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks good, I tested it.--Finalnight (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Excellent, thanks for the specific cut/paste - I suck at templates. Anyway, I posted to WPMN talk also, others seem perfectly ok with the change. Nice work, FN. By the way, I remember vaguely either working with you or commenting on something with regards to...hell I don't remember. Where did we cross paths before? Vikings stuff? Seems like ages ago, hope it wasn't negative :-) - Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
We have positively crossed paths a number of times in vikings stuff, nfl stuff, rfa stuff, aiv stuff, mn stuff.--Finalnight (talk) 20:53, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: A gift

Why thank ya! I believe that may have been the one I was looking for, though I thought it was created by SQL. Well, regardless, thanks! Seems like the two of us have a fair few pages in common. :) GlassCobra 21:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

On another note, would you mind taking a look here? It's possible that I'm remembering incorrectly, but I thought I recall a whole slew of names involving Kate McAuliffe being created a while back, along with some type of vandalism, I believe. Does that ring any bells for you? GlassCobra 21:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Regarding this, I'm sure that there are mentions of the Kate McAuliffe vandal in the AN/I archives, but for a small taste of that particluar vandal, see the following links: [11][12][13] :) Hopefully they're of some use to you: I can't remember what archive(s) that particluar vandal was listed in, however, but I know they're somewhere. Best wishes. Acalamari 22:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Acalamari, would you mind posting those diffs to user talk:GlassCobra? I think eatspeaches is ripe for a block as a troll/vandal/admin page renamer. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Did more than just provide those diffs: gave a load of input here instead. :) Acalamari 23:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


Ohai Keeper. I was wondering if you would be able to review my editing like you did way back on April 25, 2008. I know your a busy man, Keeper, but I guess your extra busy per that notice on the top of your talk page. Whenever you have time would be good. I'll be patient. Please reply (and when you finish your review) on my talk page for this. Oh, and for those so called "talk page stalkers", I'd like Keeper to do this. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 01:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you'll find the talk page stalkers never do the hard work, just the easy, knee-jerk " OH, OH, I KNOW THIS ONE " stuff. –xenocidic (talk) 01:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I resemble that remark, Xeno! (Sheesh! I make one lousy simple AfD close, and this is the thanks I get! ;) ) S. Dean Jameson 05:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
You're right, I'm quite busy, both RL and in bizarro world. Is Wednesday okay? If Wed. comes and goes, and Thursday's sun appears on our horizon, please remind me that I said I'd do this for you, Ryan. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 01:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
And replying to Xeno (who I'm not sure why I didn't E/C with), he's right. You bastard stalkers always leave the hard ones for me. Bastards. (Just kidding! Dont' leave me! I love all of you!!!!! Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 01:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec) And when it comes to something long, when the original user who's talked page is stalked needs help, the stalkers vanish. Somehow. « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 01:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
(replying to Keeper, and ec) Well, even a year would be fine! Eh, well, let's say sometime this week. Surprise me on my talk page Keeper! ;) I'll be busy over at Simple Wikipedia for a while, so I'll surely be surprised so see a (hopefully) long review. :) -- RyRy (talk) 01:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I hope I remember! If I don't, it isn't because I don't love you RyRy, but because Misza bot archives this talkpage faster than I can respond. If you haven't heard from me by Thurs., please kick my ass over to your ER.? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 01:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Was that a question? Anyway, sure thing Keeper... sure thing... -- RyRy (talk) 01:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Sure, I'll go for it. Don't worry, I won't quit if it fails, real life office politics make wiki-drama look like tea-time. Let me know what I need to get done. And also, I am still keeping up with MN stuff, especially Twins and Vikings (training camp is almost here!) even though I have moved to NE recently. (we have no sports out here, sigh)--Finalnight (talk) 21:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Will start filling it out, also, I have a speedy for an already processed page pending if you could delete it for me, csd is very backlogged right now.--Finalnight (talk) 00:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The only thing I see there is your "review" page - is that what you want deleted? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, its already been processed for the project (which is what it is intended for, not global consumption) and I don't want that to become a subject of debate at my RfA, especially since they gave the option to contrib anonymously but I didn't at the time. You know how people can seize upon the smallest sentence and that has a lot of them. Thanks!--Finalnight (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I saw you declined, if you think it won't be an issue, than its fine to keep. I just don't want my suggestions for improvement to be turned against me. Thats all. Will be transcluding soon, I was writing my responses while you were writing my nom. hehe.--Finalnight (talk) 00:44, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c with you)I just declined your request, I don't see how it could affect you negatively, as I found your opinions to be both valid and sincere. I'll delete it for you if you ask me again, but I really think that you're "overthinking" this. You are allowed and encouraged to have opinions, and if someone opposes you for arbitrary reasons, that's their problem, not yours. Ask me again, I'll delete it, but until then...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't think it would be used against you in your RFA, but if you just want to keep your subpage-space clean then that's another story. –xenocidic (talk) 00:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I trust both of your judgements (xenocidic even established a voting precedent for other rfa's lol) and will leave it up. Thanks!--Finalnight (talk) 00:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The last 10 RfAs have failed or are failing... we are due for a great candidate. Looks promising... good luck. Gwynand | TalkContribs 00:48, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. Good luck, Finalnight. I've already watchlisted your RfA for when it transcludes. GlassCobra 00:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
(re to gwynand) the last ten have failed? Seriously? I didn't think it had gotten that bad. You need a diff for that (and please exclude the "obvious" n00b "I only mean the best for wikipedia" chaff...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 01:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Isn't that basically all WP:RFA ever gets? heck, one even passed once... –xenocidic (talk) 01:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh, LOL. me too......Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 01:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
If you don't mind me saying so, you had some impressively dubious characters amongst your supporters. – iridescent 14:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Others, please note new template at top of page - cheers! Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Duly noted. Have fun! Gazimoff WriteRead 22:14, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
You just don't love us, I see how it is ;) PS: Wow to Morneau! I had and passed up on tickets but did watch a bit of the festivities from the gym. TCariMy travels 13:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, I do have time to say Boo-ya!!!!. Talk about making the most out of a last minute invite! Although I'm madly in love with my favorite Canuck, the trophy really should be Hamilton's. That guy's a freak - 28 dingers in round 1 and he doesn't winnit? What up? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I still don't understand the fascination with what is essentially rounders, but I'll put it down to coming from the other side of the pond :) Gazimoff WriteRead 14:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
My joy is indescribable when watching a baseball game. Any game. Any two teams. I fall into a pit of depression about halfway thru October, knowing I have to wait until April to see another real-time game. Rule #4 of Keeperpedia: If you are American, you must love baseball to edit here. If you're non-American, I feel sorry for you, oops! I mean, you are of course exempt from Rule #4, but you still are not allowed to discount my sport, and as a good faith effort, I will try very hard not to discount the most ridiculously boring sport to watch on television...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I think soccer is less boring to watch than say golf, but that's just me. I love my baseball, but not so much the All Star festivities. It just is pure theater and no actual game. Don't like the Yankees extended break this year, I'm already bored with evening TV since at least in the off-season, there is prime time TV. Hamilton was ridiculous, though not as bad as the announcers who proclaimed one hit "800 feet". I don't think so. I didn't know about Hamilton's history prior to last night... Good to see overcome, but wow I guess hitting 28 and losing (couldn't believe when I heard that this morning), is still a good thing. Crowds are lining up for the parade now. TCariMy travels 14:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Long live baseball. I didn't think Morneau would in. My prediction is AL in 10 innings.
Cari, have you moved in yet?
To keeper and cari: last july, I went to yankee stadium for pinstripes-twins. I rooted for the twins. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 15:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sweeet. You're my new favorite stalker Shap :-) Prediction from keep: 8-2 AL over NL. MVP: Hamilton, who will be 1 for 4, maybe score a run, with no RBIs. You see, regardless of how he does, he will be the MVP, because God loves him right now, and he is the first player I've ever seen not wearing pinstripes that got yank-fans to give a standing ovation...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I've narrowed MVP down to Hamilton (no duh), Pedroia (I'm biased) and A-Rod (gotta keep the yanks fans happy).
On a side note, thanks for reverting that Janzen guy on my talk :) Shapiros10 contact meMy work 15:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't revert anything. Ryan Postlethwaite reverted (and he reverted here too). Just a silly vandal doing page blankings, a fly on his way to the bugzapper. No biggie, he'll be gone soon.  :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 15:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Man. My head's still woozy from junk food and roller coaster here.
The troll has been indefed. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 15:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

(colon farm!) ooh I love Lake Compounce althouggh I'm loyal to Rye Playland and Six Flags Great Adventure. Been to none of the above in years though. Am half moved. Sleeping on air mattress and my clothes are there. Pricing moving companies to get my stuff here. Commute is nice, got home at the same time last night but that was with a trip to the gym and food shopping. Also violated a wikilaw (although I forget which.where it is), I wrote about my own street/neighborhood. Am I getting blocked? ;) I might watch the game if there's nothing else on, I have no prediction really other than A-Rod will run his mouth. I have liked many Twins players but only truly loved Pags. Forever a Yankee! TCariMy travels 15:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Isn't Boulder Dash absolutely insane? And Wildcat's 1st drop is almost vertical!
Hey, I wrote about my middle school and it's still out there.
I'll try watching, but i need to watch Big Brother 10 (U.S.). Shapiros10 contact meMy work 15:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you on the most boring sport to be televised. Gazimoff WriteRead 16:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Gazimoff is wrong. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 16:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I hope I don't get shot for saying this...but there are no sporting events worth watching between March Madness and the start of the football season, with the possible exception of the last round of the Masters. Useight (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
let me get out my pistol...Shapiros10 contact meMy work 16:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Thanks Keeps. Completely missed that particular drama - not been very active lately, just like Pedro it seems; in fact I'm even wondering whether I am User:SockOfPedro. Still trying to work out what the on-wiki problem was with CG as he had all but stopped editing here and he had admitted openly to being Chris19910 to all of us months ago, if people had spent less time getting over-excited at ANI and instead spent 30 seconds flicking through his talk page history it would all have become clear. Looks like it's all over now, CG has gone & will no doubt be back as User:LawyerBoy or some such if and when he gets bored of winding people up on the test wikis and the whole cycle will start again. At least when he was CG we knew where he was and could keep an eye but it appears that (ANI) consensus says that driving him underground is a better approach. Hey ho! nancy (talk) 07:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Yep - What Nancy said above - spot on. Others couldn't trust us to keep an eye on it - oh no, instead the drama mongers wade in with a big OMG DRAMA FEST over something that could so easily have been controlled. Frankly I'm nearing the point of chucking in the towel with regards to Wikipedia. It used to be fun; Now editors can't even have the common courtesy to notify you of ANI threads, the place is filled with MYSPACE huggle using wanabees with no clue why we're here, and the whole damn show seems to be a triumph of process wonkery over a worthy aim. Sigh. Pedro :  Chat  20:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Amen. When I get indefblocked, replace my userpage with that. – iridescent 20:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
(e/c)Pedro you have no idea how much it pains me to hear you "talk" like that. Take a break (advice you've given many with similar feelings as your own). Enjoy the summer, snoop around. There are still good things happening on Wikipedia mixed in with the annoyances. Please just take a break for a while. I'll keep your talk watchlisted to handle queries and such, don't worry about them. I need a drink. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Ahhh, I'm just peeded off with this particular incident I guess. But I'll still be here I'm sure. I've just removed some bits from my page for a few days to try and minimise traffic until I'm able to help out again, when the dreaded world of RL calms down. Guess a shot of perspective would help me now - it's not all bad here and me moaning about it won't fix it either. Better to take action to try and get it back to where it should be (an encyclopedia) as opposed to where it is (a love machine for the drama addicts). Hi Ho. Pedro :  Chat  20:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
A "shot of perspective" sounds good. Do they sell that by the bottle? The CG shit pisses me off, as soon as I noticed it, I posted to you and Nancy. I think he's back right now by the way, which is a shame that he is back "in hiding", because when he resurfaces (I give it a week), he'll be blocked on the spot. Sigh. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


O popular one, please can you move this back to Koura District. Cheers. The Bald One is currently sorting out the Lebanese districts and new templates ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 15:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 16:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Much obliged. NOw I can add a pretty new infobox and import some info from the trusty dutch. I don't know what it is with them and facts and figures ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Completely Understand

Keeper, I just wanted to let you know I can completely understand your concern. Having been in your exact shoes I know the feeling well. I assure you I have no hard feelings and I hope that my record will soon set your mind at ease. Ajh16 (talk) 20:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Looking forward to it. I'm impressed you understood my post, I used a lot of Wiki-speak on purpose...Please wait at least a week before re-adding Huggle to your account? As a good faith gesture? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
He can't re-add huggle until an admin unprotects his huggle.css page anyway. –xeno (talk) 20:43, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Well, that is a good faith gesture that he'll hafta oblige me on, init? heh, thanks xeno.  :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 20:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I just figured I'd let you know because I know you're pretty clueless when it comes to...well...anything really. *ducks* –xeno (talk) 20:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
of course here I am the clueless one as it appears irid never ended up protected his huggle.css =) –xeno (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
To be honest, I didn't understand what socker meant, but I got the impression from what I was reading that they were removing legit changes or causing some other such issue. As for indeffed, it seems pretty clear that it is indefinate as in either indefinatly removing or indefinatly banning. I've had the same issues on IRC, on forums and in games where I've had the same person keep trying to come back and cause issues and it is a pain since the Internet is so annonymous, sometimes it is great, sometimes it sucks. Ajh16 (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
At this point Ajh i'm starting to get the feeling that you are who you say you are, nevertheless, we still don't typically grant huggle to very new users (even with no suspicion of impropriety) so at this point the best thing to do would be to hack it out with twinkle for a week or two and talk to irid. –xeno (talk) 21:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Irid, ajh. Enjoy wikipedia for what it is (an encyclopedia), add some good content, remove some bad content. I've still yet to use an automated tool (except one script), and I seem to get along just dandy without them. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The big problem I have with Twinkle is that as I understand it, it doesn't get along so nice with IE. Call me crazy, but most of the time I have for checking vandalism is while I am between assignments at work and they don't have anything else for me to do and they have IE as the browser on their systems. I suppose I could install something else, but it is a lot more overhead than a stand alone executable. I suppose I can just keep going with out a script for the moment, it just bugs me that it is such a productivity hit since it is much more difficult (particularly for a new user) to get the templates right for example. One of my favorite things with Huggle is that I just have to click on the appropriate message and it takes care of linking it to the edit I am refering to. That aside, atleast with rollback I can still deal effectivly with the chain vandals without having to simply open and save an old version, which is bad since it doesn't save it as an undo. Ajh16 (talk) 21:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Huggle is an excellent tool, and when used well, highly effective. It is also very powerful, and in the wrong hands, can lead to needless drama. I'm afraid you'll have to be patient with us, we (meaning Iridescent and I) have been here long enough to know that it "isn't for everybody". You may end up being the best Huggler we'vve ever had, hell I don't know. But you can't have it in your first week here. Are there any interesting articles on Wikipedia that you could edit? We generally look favorably on editors that add things instead of exclusively remove things. Wikipedia is an incomplete project in desperate need of intelligent, mature minds to make it better and more comprehensive. Poke around, find some things that interest you, and make the articles better! You'll get a higher level of satisfaction out of having your contributions "stick" than you will with having your contrib list only showing that you removed other people's stuff. Again, we need vandal fighters, we're highly trafficked here. However, you will burn out quickly if you only vandal-fight, promise. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Yuo. everybody worships article writers and hates vandal fighters. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 21:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
It ain't love/hate shap. Vandal fighting is unfortunately necessary. (Don't get me started about IP editing). Balance is what makes users stick around and be considered valued community members. Balance. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
See what i mean? Unfortunately? You article writers would rather block us all and whine when somebody vandalizes your precious articles. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I said "unfortunately" because it is "unfortunate" that articles get vandalized, not "unfortunate" that they get reverted. And thanks for calling me an article writer, I know which of my stalkers will laugh out loud at that (I've never even had anything at DYK let alone GA or FA...) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Well then, you must've became an admin before the cabal at RFA made it impossible to pass if you had less than 100 featured articles. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec) I wasn't quick enough; just spat beer over my keyboard laughing, and had to clean it up :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I've said all along that my RfA was a fluke of good timing and nobody paying attention. :-) My extra buttons will be ripped from my cold dead hands...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I can understand the whole fear of burn out but I've made quite a happy career of patrolling the trolls of the net. I don't know if I'm just a masochist or if I enjoy the glipses of stupidity and knowing that other people won't have to endure them, or perhaps it is the futile attempts by vandals to repeatadly attack a page time and time again, only to be reverted within seconds, but it is something I love to do in whatever context it may be. I also find that there are times when working through edits that I find things in need of little bits of touch up, which I also do at that time and that is a nice little way to leave a footprint beyond the change log. Ajh16 (talk) 22:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

<--Malleus, am I really that funny? And Keeper, if I become an admin, I'll make you write 200 featured articles before i let you have so much as rollback :) Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I've got no idea. But calling Keeper an article writer is pretty funny, I think even he'd agree. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I certainly do agree, have said so all along, and I had a good hearty laugh at that :-). I wasn't here a month when I decided that I won't be creating new articles. I've only started like 6, and they're awful. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
You do something just as useful though. You defend article writers when perhaps others would let them be tossed to the lions, and you're prepared to arbitrate where others may fear to tread. I'm thinking of your job on Wales, for instance. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to U/MF/WS/DRFA

You do know at least one of my supports was a literal cut & paste? – iridescent 20:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I wish you guys wouldn't talk in code. It makes it a lot harder for me to be nosy. ;> –xeno (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
If he'd abandon his High Moral Stance we wouldn't have to... – iridescent 20:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah you mean his "no email" policy? ... heh –xeno (talk) 20:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
That said, you could presumably work out what the above stands for, especially looking at his contribs in the last 10 minutes... – iridescent 21:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Was it a cut&paste of something I said? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
No, a cut and paste from long, long ago but still applies. I'll give a clue if you want to play treasure hunt; came from one that held a record until the beginning of June, and it's S8 on your list. – iridescent 21:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
S8 is one of my faves. Gotta love the internet prism. It's generic enough (and prolific enough) to not be removed by me as an "obvious" poke at another editor. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
The article that image was stolen taken as fair use from is IMO the single best essay ever written anywhere on the way message boards work. Pretty much every single person I've ever come across on teh interwebs – and especially here – fits into one or the other category from it. You can run through ANI or RFA and practically use it as a checklist. – iridescent 21:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
In fact, a quote from that is now gracing my userpage – I'd forgotten just how spot-on it was. Let's see how long before someone complains. I bet that gets a complaint before the picture of Muhammad or the Virgin Mary with the comedy captions do. – iridescent 21:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
That was a great read. Bookmarked it. Only wish it had "ways to defeat UserX" on it. Best laugh of the day for keeper. Which one are you Irid? And, I saw your quote on your userpage. I think you should change every instance of "internet" to read "wikipedia". Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I think anyone reading that will be able to see the allusion, don't you? (Zack Parsons is one of the most underrated writers out there. I think SA should be required reading in schools, and everyone who voted delete on his book should be WP:TROUTED into unconsciousness.) – iridescent 21:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Just wondering

Do you have a mustache? Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:04, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
WTF? No. And I don't like Giambi either. :-) I think a key difference between you and I though Sam is the ability to grow one if desired.... Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
It's not that. I just have pictures of what i think Wikipedians look like in my head. You have a mustache, sunglasses, short balding hair, greenish-brown shorts, a yellow polo shirt, brown boating shoes and you're fishing.
hey, I have peach fuzz! Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:08, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Fishing? With my desktop PC? Heh. I'll give you the "short balding hair", other than that, you are way off...:-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I mean fishing. For fish. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah. I know you meant fishing (for fish), which is what made it hilarious, because I'm sitting in a stuffy office, typing on an archaic desktop PC (don't even have a flat screen), and the thought of dragging all of this "equipment" into a boat was downright laughable. I wish I was fishing....Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

←Out of curiosity, what do I look like in your head? – iridescent 22:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Are you asking me? Because I can get some pretty nasty links if you want 'em...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I haven't seen Tan here in a while. What's he up to?
"Kids love the dumbest shit. I watched Caillou, and look where i am now!" Winner of Keeper's Quote of the Day back when we were talking about it with "Kek".
iri, you're a girl. With light brown hair. And you have a pretty face...Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
If Iridescent is a girl, then I'm a Martian transexual. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm quite taken by the "pretty", I have to say. – iridescent 22:29, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you a boy, Iri? Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:31, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Call me gender-neutral. I've never revealed any personal information on here and have no intention of starting. You lot are all probably too young (on Wikipedia) to remember Amorrow. – iridescent 22:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Too young? [14] [15] We're practically the same age!--KojiDude (C) 22:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
In that case, you presumably remember just why posting personal info on Wikipedia is A Bad Thing and why we make such a big deal of it... – iridescent 22:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Of course; why else would I hide behind the veil of a japanese name, and the oh-so-cleverly-chosen Leon?--KojiDude (C) 22:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why editors should be so coy about revealing personal information, so I'll start. I'm male, about 6' 3" tall, with black hair and a noticeable overbite. I was born in 1642, then again in 1758, and again in 1898. My editing patterns are easily explained by my allergy to sunlight, which results in severe burning. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Keeper, what are the nasty links?
And Iri, I was describing my dream date :) But I'm too young...Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, this is fun, I'm next. What do I look like? Useight (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
For some reason I always pictured you as Chinese. I could not for the life of me say why. – iridescent 22:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Useight has brown hair, kinda short but has bangs. Average height, white, skinny. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:39, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Weird! I've always thought that Useight was Chinese! (or Asian in general). Maybe we should all join the cabal that requires a picture to enter...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
That's an easy one. You don't exist, you're a figment of your own imagination. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:40, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Wow, two thought I was Asian, that's interesting. Does my username seem to have a Chinese "ring" to it? But, no, sorry to disappoint. Shapiros' assessment is pretty close, not bad actually (but that description could fit a good 50 million Americans). Useight (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I just find that claim incredible. Are you really trying to claim that there are 50 million skinny Americans? C'mon. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Whoops! A slip-up! I guess I just gave away my pretense that I'm American. Useight (talk) 23:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Looking over your userpage, I agree I could probably have worked it out since I can't imagine there are many Mormons in China. In my case, I'd guess I probably saw the User tl-3 on your userpage and subconsciously that got you filed as "somewhere in Asia". – iridescent 22:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Since I'm kind of new to this den of pigs, I'll just tell you all what I look like. I'm young, charming, and strikingly handsome. Or old, dumpy, and incredibly ugly. Or something. Probably the former. Right? S. Dean Jameson 22:51, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, you can't be strikingly handsome until you're an admin. So, the latter, for now. Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 23:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Jameson: you're chubby, have a 5 o'clock shadow, and are balding. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Not chubby or balding, but you're right about my shaving habits! :) S. Dean Jameson 23:25, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Funny conversation. :) So how do you view me then regarding how I look like? :D Acalamari 23:46, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
You are around six feet tall, lightly built but not skinny, and you have a pleasant demeanor. You have light brown hair, and are clean-shaven.
I answered one. Now tell me, what do I look like? (and don't say I'm short and round with a dark completion and an Italian accent :-) J.delanoygabsadds 00:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Acalamari has close-cut hair with a mustache.
Delanoy has short blonde hair and is clean shaven. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 00:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Pretty good, the clean-shaven part is correct, but my hair is closer to medium brown. J.delanoygabsadds 00:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
J.delanoy's description is accurate for the most part. :) Acalamari 02:09, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone care to take a stab at what I really look like? Ecoleetage (talk) 01:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, from what I remember of my 'O'level French I'd say that you're in stage school in France. So you're in your early to mid-teens and look like every other actor wannabee. Am I close? :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Uh, no. Wrong country, wrong age, and wrong appearance. But I could give you an "A" for effort. :) Ecoleetage (talk) 01:36, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Tan was on vacation, but he's back now. Catching up on real life maybe? Any guesses on me? I don't have a mental image of Keeper, Iri is a ninja armed with stars which he uses as gifts, rather than weapons, no mental images of other ones. TCariMy travels 03:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I can imagine Cari as looking like Raquel Welch, circa 1970. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well you're wrong, but in a wonderful way :) Funnily enough, photos of me are easy to find online. I de-linked my blog since I was tired of unwelcome Facebook and blog comments. Right now I'm looking like Ms. Mover with a touch of Ms. Fix-It. TCariMy travels 13:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Eco is African-American, tall, short fuzzy hair and clean-shaven.
Cari has frizzy brown hair, is average height and skinny. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 13:26, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
1/3 isn't bad, Sam. Frizzy, especially in July heat and humidity, on the short side of average, 5'3. Trying to get skinny via the gym :) TCariMy travels 13:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm guesssing that you're Italian, and that's a typical Italian hairstyle. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 13:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Sam, you hit one out of four: I am tall. And a lot of people have told me that I am an extremely intimidating presence. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

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Keeper76, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 03:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Keeper, I'm burnt out....I just have lost interest with Wikipedia. Its just the fact that I feel like I've done what I can do, and there just doesn't seem to be much more for me here..... I'll pop in every now and then and who knows, maybe I'll just come back and stay again for a couple of years, but for now, I think its best for me to just back away for a few. ;) Thanks for everything that you've done for me bud, and I've really grown attatced to you. I can't belive I'm actually tearing up right, um... bye for now. DustiSPEAK!! 00:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Dusti. I'll miss you but I think you're making the right choice, the ones that too many don't. You recognised the signs and are walking awat or cutting back before you flame out completely. That happens to too many good editors. Best of luck in all. TCariMy travels 01:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
That's a mature decision, Dusti, and I think when someone thinks they should leave wikipedia, that probably is what's best for them. Of course, in your case, it's a loss for the project, but your real life trumps any of that. Good luck in the future. Gwynand | TalkContribs 13:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Woah! I shouldn't have started on the some investigationifying to do here...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Keep, I'd start Wikipedia:Editor_review/Dustihowe2 here, because I have a feeling that sparked this. In hindsight, I might've been a little overzealous with my constructive criticism, and do hope that he understands the farthest thing from my intent was encouraging to take a break. It was purely a commentary on future adminship for him. Gwynand | TalkContribs 14:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Dusti, I just left you an "editor review" myself on your archived talkpage. Cheers friend, Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I didn't say I was staying away forever, just backing off for a bit. I'm still around.....maybe one of those anon IP's you see floating around ;) A for fitness walking in summer school :) YAY!!! **Dusti does a happy dance** Gwynand, your criticism was appreciated and had nothing to do with my break. Mainly, its my boyfriend and some issues that he and I are having.... Cheers! DustiSPEAK!! 14:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, couldn't stay away as long as I wanted, just to attached to the place :) DustiSPEAK!! 15:44, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


Many many thanks for the work you have done on Talk:Wales. I think it was a good job, well done, and I hope others can see the sense in it. Once again, my thanks.  DDStretch  (talk) 18:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh dear! I think you may now be experiencing what I did, and which prompted me to try to get an outside opinion on. That user is as combattive as hell, and most of what I read from him is not positive at all, because we have discarded his suggestion. What with these kinds of wrangles and the others, involving people who seem to want wikiepdia describe counties as still being in the state they were back in 1972 before the first recent big change in boundaries, etc, I almost feel like going for a comparatively easier editing option concerning Israel and Palestine!  DDStretch  (talk) 22:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
He's tiring to say the least. A walking/talking stereotype of never wrong, always slighted, machismo. Gag. A solution will come out of the discussion though, it took an interesting turn overnight in my opinion. :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 14:14, 16 July 2008 (UTC)