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[1]. Welcome home. Nevada wasn't the same without you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I edited you a "welcome home" present, here. Let's see how long it stays! Drmies (talk) 03:24, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
According to Grammar Girl (and I think I agree with her), it should be "green-bean casserole," hyphenated. Any thoughts? Drmies (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, nice work. Southern California is great, I think I will try to open a mine there, on the other hand I enjoy no state income tax, open gabling and loose liquor laws too....It is snowing here, quite the surprise to come home to.--kelapstick (talk) 03:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Not much need for gabling here. Doesn't snow very often. :) I'm not sure what open gabling is, but it sounds fancy. Oh you meant gambling? We have casinos my friend. Not to worry! And I saw The Samples (band) at the track. And since we're all losing our jobs so the income taxes don't bite that much. Although the sales tax is going up. And they tried to take away our plastic bags, but a judge gave them back!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
But you don't have slot machines in the grocery you?

We don't even have those machines where you can recycle your cans and bottles for a nickle! It's going to be interesting whether the list of article survives. Clearly it's needed. I made it a disambig. because I was worried about an article that isn't truly an article. But it wasn't really a disambig. But now as a list of the point is being made that it isn't an article about the subject. Hopefully enough people will recognize the need for it and vote keep. We'll see. Did you notice the involved parties? Another relaxing day for me on the 'pedia. Speaking of which, I hope you're tan and relaxed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't even recycle here...ANYTHING...a change from Canada where we recycled everything. I think the list is suited better as an outline article (moved after the AfD), there are quite a few of them (see Category:Outlines, no BLP outlines yet, but I don't think anyone has that extent of articles written about them) and they serve as a good summary page with lists of information, you can search for what you want without having to read through the prose of the main article.--kelapstick (talk) 16:46, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm heading over to the farmer's market along the strand. Do you want anything? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:39, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Someone willing to pay $3.00/pound for a few billion pounds of copper would be nice, but other than that I think I am good.--kelapstick (talk) 17:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Copper is out. Silicon and "green jobs" are in. Them's the breaks. Part of the "sustainability" initiative and the great leveling that is under way. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:17, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Until they learn to transmit (clean) power through silicon I am afraid that copper is still in..."If it's not grown, it's mined"...surprising the number of people that don't know that.--kelapstick (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Your thinking is so 20th century. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:21, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for This is why you're fat

Updated DYK query On 17 April, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article This is why you're fat, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 00:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


Noticed you nominated a lot of this user's non-notable articles for deletion, you might want to look at this if you feel like nominating more of them, which I strongly support in fact I might nom a few more myself tonight. Cheers, --Giants27 T/C 01:28, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Wow...Thanks for the link...Fabrictramp and I keep a "sorted" list at User:Kelapstick/Sandbox, helps keep tabs on what is up at AfD, what passed, what failed (to check for recreation) what met the GNG etc, feel free to use/edit the list. I will have to take a look to see what is and isn't there. --kelapstick (talk) 04:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah Chris Nelson (baseball) is on the 40-man and what Gjr does is as you know he created Jared Hyatt and it was deleted so he then created Jared Hyatt (baseball) so watch out for that.--Giants27 T/C 12:35, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Moose A. Moose

Updated DYK query On April 21, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Moose A. Moose, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 20:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Wooohoooo! Drmies (talk) 20:26, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for El Salvador mine

Updated DYK query On April 22, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article El Salvador mine, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for El Teniente

Updated DYK query On April 22, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article El Teniente, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 02:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Congratulations again--you're almost at 25, no? Drmies (talk) 04:11, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Good work Kelapschtick. As we become sustainable over the next couple of years using only recycled materials and renewable energy sources these mining articles will provide a fascinating glimpse into the past. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Getting close to 25, not sure I will have to check. When the US and Canada decide they can live without mining I am willing to exploit the resourses of a third world country. I am an equal opportunity extractor. kelapstick (talk) 05:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
It's actually 21.--kelapstick (talk) 18:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
Just 21? Jeesh. Get to work. I'll try to copy-edit where I can, but there's only so much ground I can cover. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:23, 22 April 2009 (UTC)


Your comment made me laugh, because as I was posting my question about the quote of the day I was thinking: this should probably go on the talk page of my talk page. Duh! That's what it's there for. Oops! :) I kind of see Geo as Neo with a G. I'm not familiar with the whole storyline, but ummm are you like part of the matrix or breaking free of it or something? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:36, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it, I saw the first of the Matrices and didn't go any further. I used to work with a guy who had never seen Star Wars, so you could Always win an arguement with him by saying "What do you know, you've never saw Star Wars!" anyway the talk-talk page looks like a good place to host the bacon cabal. kelapstick (talk) 05:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I found this article Sterling Hill Mining Museum interesting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Minor leagues

I've finally got round to working on some of those many, many articles! I've improved two of them so far and just stuck them at the bottom of the list "passes BNG/GNG". I'm not sure if I've put it in the right place- I can re-write an article but I still don;t know anything about baseball!! I trust you'll fiddle around as you see fit, but I'm just letting you know! Regards, HJ Mitchell (talk) 20:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

btw, am I looking at the right articles? I'm just going from the bottom and working up towards the ones that meet GNG/BNG- I suppose I just got used to it doing the NP Patrol. Let me know if there's a "preferred method" HJ Mitchell (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
There is no preference about where you work on the list. You put Doug Brandt and David Austen under "Played MLB or on an MLB teams 40 man roster or better" where I think you intended to put them under "Passes GNG". Looking at the roster it doesn't look like they have done either. The stats sites are not "significant coverage in third party reliable sources". If they have played on the team or were on the 40 man roster it doesn't say so...--kelapstick (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that, and thanks for the talkback. I take your point about the stats sites and what not, but I think that, with one exception, which I noted was shakey, the volume of, albeit less reputable, information out there on these players, I think, would seem to justify their inclusion. One or two of them have genuine claims to notability, I can't remember which offhand- all I know about minor league baseball is what I'm reading doing this, but I'm willing to help in the re- writing and dredging up sources. I think they would certainly have a much better chance at AfD if they were nominated, though they could benefit from a little TLC. HJ Mitchell (talk) 23:17, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Statistics site do not constitute significant coverage that can be used to support notability. I am not arguing that the statistics sites are not reliable, I believe they are correct, but they are not significant coverage, and having 12 (random number) sites that give the same information (as by default the statistics have to be the same no matter where you get them from) is not significant coverage. An example of a reliable source (that can be used to establish notability) is a newspaper, and significant coverage in a newspaper is an article written about the subject, what is not significant coverage in a newspaper is an article about the team with one sentence about the players performance. I agree there are many minor league players that pass the general notability guidelines, and they were not put up for AfD (or I missed the sources and their AfD resulted in keep, which a few of them did), and I encourage the improvement and inclusion of articles about minor league players that do pass the GNG, but the sources have to be reliable, citing many statistics sites doesn't qualify as reliable sources. I also encourage you to work on improving these articles because you are correct they do need attention, I do not intend to nominate an article for AfD if notability has already been established.--kelapstick (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, how about we disregard the GNG for the purposes of this discussion. Would it not make more sense to improve them and get them up to a good standard and just see what happens? If somebody came a long and was a little zealous with the AfD tags, I'd fight for the better ones but be ready to accept the consensus. After all, there's more material out there on some of these guys than there is on a lot of supposedly "notable" subjects. So instead of assuming they're not worthy of an article, why not give them the best shot at one we can- after all, only those who have the entire deletion policy and GNG committed to memory are likely to be tagging a seemingly well referenced article. As a compromise, how about I slap AfD tags on anything that doesn't have information other than on stats sites from now on? I don't mind re-writing them or dredging for sources but if they're only going to be consigned to the scrap heap, it's better to put them out of their misery. HJ Mitchell (talk) 11:48, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at User:Fabrictramp#Check-Double-Check-Triple-Check for what we were thinking of. I am all for keeping minor league articles who pass the GNG, and are well sourced. But the articles that you added to "passes the GNG" on my sandbox page didn't pass the GNG, they just had stats sites.--kelapstick (talk) 23:09, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Editing other users' Talk page comments

Information.svg This sort of edit is generally frowned upon. I appreciate that your intent was to clarify and correct, but our conduct guidelines are quite specific about this. (Incidentally, your correction was incorrect: you might revise the definition of exorcism compared with, say reanimation and resurrection.) Regards, SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 20:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Exorcism, what was I thinking?...I did remove the entire change.--kelapstick (talk) 20:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I only saw that was one of my U2 didn't mess with the leper/leopard, did you? ;) Steel, K-stick has permission to mess with my bad jokes, but thanks! Drmies (talk) 18:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Tsk tsk tsk

I see someone has a taste for refactoring. Can we be certain that Mies, Dr. didn't intentionally get the lyrics wrong? Maybe he chooses to "race the dead" instead of "raise" them? And by making obvious corrections, aren't you just highlighting his pitiful understanding of U2 lyrics? What's next Kelapstick? What's next???ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

No comment about my confusing exorcism and Resurrection? I am surprised...--kelapstick (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw that too. But keeping track of these pagan rituals can get confusing. Excorcism, excursion, excoriate, extrapolate... eh, too many letters anyway. I like to just sit-back and relax with a big bowl of pizza-ghetti and a nice snickers salad. Where are you going for the next family outing? If you come to LA we have a very nice ummm.... let me think... ummmmmmm... well some of the beach are kind of nice. I think the ones further south are nicer though. But I do know a good Mexican truck for a "cubano" sandwich! ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Johnny come lately here...sorry...I am getting hungry though. None of you caught the other joke, haha. Drmies (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
We may go to Disneyland near the end of June. I make it a point not to eat Mexican when we leave town, we have four Mexican places here and not much else, so if I want a taco, I don't have to travel very far. --kelapstick (talk) 21:44, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


Are you down in the mine? Keep an eye on the canaries. ChildofMidnight 23:32, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't actually have a mine here (yet, that is sort of why I am here), what we do have is a lot of desert.--kelapstick (talk) 16:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


Greetings! I noticed you removed Hummus from Middle Eastern cuisine, Mediterranean cuisine and Vegetarian cuisine. This article is semi-protected due to a vast amount of vandalism and continuous edit warring[2] regarding regional terms as well as nationalities and food categories. Before removing any categories, I would like to ask you to discuss their removal on the article's talk page. I know it seems silly to have to discuss categories etc. regarding a food, but if you look at the edit history, this article has been quite...controversial...Thanks!!! --Nsaum75 (talk) 04:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, I removed Mid-East cuisine because Arab cuisine is in Mid-East, and Levantine cuisine is also in Mediterranean cuisine (and Arab and Mid-East), making it grossly over catagorized, I would think maybe it should be in the highest category, like Mid-East and Mediterranean, so that it doesn't have to be in each sub category. Also vegan is by definition vegetarian (and is sub-categorized accordingly), so notwithstanding my starting an international incident with my category removal, at the very least that change should stand, perhaps that is something more suited for WP:FOOD as there are quite a few that are in both, thanks. :D --kelapstick (talk) 16:13, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Stone Creek Jamboree

Updated DYK query On 30 April, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Stone Creek Jamboree, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 04:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The minor league articles

Hi, the discussion seems to have moved to Fabrictramp's page, but I just wanted to make it clear that none of my comments have been meant slightingly. I got myself into this through the NP Patrol anyway. The two of you have done a brilliant job of sorting these articles out and organising them. I just think we should keep everything we can and it seems a shame to see good information discarded. I'll give you a hand with some of the others when I get round to it, though it would be good to clear up what we're going to do with them first.I notice Gjr isn't active of late, which, in a sense, is also a shame since he could have been a good asset and helped in cleaning up some of these articles. But hey, the Earth's still spinning so keep up the good work! Kind regards, HJMitchell You rang? 09:22, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, btw, thanks for listing the articles for Fabrictramp last week- you saw his reply before I did! HJMitchell You rang? 09:24, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I am in no hurry to mass delete anything, but all the articles need to be checked and so on, improvements are appreciated but I ask that you do not move articles into the "passing the GNG" category unless they pass the notability guidelines using reliable sources, not statistics sites, and if you add them to the 25 or 40 man roster section make sure it is stated in the article with a cited source. Thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That's fair enough. At least they can be improved kind of as and when. Would it be worth starting a new section for articles that have been checked but don't pass the GNG yet? Just a suggestion. Sorry for the confusion. HJMitchell You rang? 16:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That would probably would be a good idea. --kelapstick (talk) 16:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: WikiBirthday

Thanks! One year already seemed to go by so fast. Cheers Kyle1278 16:06, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Here you go!

No regifting: these are expensive!

Hope you're getting a patio and a grill and all that. Drmies (talk) 02:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Fancy! Do you need knives like that for bacon burgers? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:01, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Steamed clams

Updated DYK query On 3 May, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Steamed clams, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

thx for nom Victuallers (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the nom! Bongomatic 17:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for the reversion. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 13:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Anything here?

Kipushi Mine . . . saw it up at the new page patrol. Hope all is well with you. Bongomatic 13:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, I will take a look at it, maybe see if I can find out who owns it, that might be helpful information to add :D. All is well, unfortunately I have not been able to devote as much time as I would like to editing lately, my dad is down from Canada, and we have been quite busy with the little guy, although I did manage to scrape enough time up to get Dead Hot Workshop done and nominated for DYK, sadly nobody has approved Long Wong's appearance on the main page yet...I wonder if I could get more commas in that sentance...Thanks for the link, if you come across any more in NP patrol I would appreciate it, at least so I can post it at WP:MINING--kelapstick (talk) 14:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

69 Sexy...

Thanks for the update. I'm still pretty new Wikipedia, so I'm learning as I go along. :) For that particular article, 69 Sexy Things 2 Do Before You Die can you let me know what would need to be cited?

Thanks (Zepolekim (talk) 21:34, 6 May 2009 (UTC))

You need to cite as much as you can, anything that does not have a citation may be removed, you should read the links that I left on your talk page.--kelapstick (talk) 21:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: 69 Sexy Things 2 Do Before You Die

OK thanks for telling me. Cheers Kyle1278 02:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Kelapstick is up to #4. What do you make of this Canandaigua Academy article and the weighty section on the shooting including the name of the victim? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Since the name is published in a RS I don't think you can dispute it's inclusion (as a minor I was surprised that it was listed on the TV station). The sources are not about the school they are about the shooting, the section maybe should be moved to 2009 Canandaigua Academy suicide or something like that and included as a see also in the school page. If that is the only thing the school is notable for it begs the question as to whether or not the school is notable enough for inclusion (although typically high schools are when the go to AfD). You need to get to work on J-D's Down Home Enterprises and Mitch Morgan. --kelapstick (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
What is a Mitch Morgan? Is it served with bacon? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:24, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Dead Hot Workshop

Sorry it took me a while to get back to you — I tend to forget about these things if I don't reply right away — but unfortunately I know absolutely nothing about them; hadn't even ever heard of them until your post to my talk page, actually. Sounds like something I might have to check out, though :-) Bearcat (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK nom for three-year old

 Done Drmies (talk) 18:52, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thanks for the advice earlier - I've apologised to the editor concerned. We live and learn. :) Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 00:08, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Square milk jugs

It's been a while since you came up with something really cool and fun. The bacon salt company is not bad, but I'm thinking you're due for something worthwhile. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Here's an idea. There's no article on the Splendor Beetle, which some cite as the oldest living insect. Bongomatic 06:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
How do they know it's the oldest living insect? Are you sure it isn't just a lot of buzz? I would hate to get stung over this. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Groan. Clearly deserves an article, though, and certainly has the potential for more cringe-worthy DKY hooks a-la CoM. Bongomatic 08:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Bongo, it's good to see you have antennae out for this kind of article subject. Don't bug out and fly off the handle, we'll scarab up some interest soon without any need for pestering. We just need a few editors to ante up and do a little leg work. These things always start out in a larval stage, and sometimes creep along for a while. But once it's been cocooned into and people shell out some good citations, ideas for improvements will get pollinated in no time. It's a subject that just needs biting into, or for a small pod of hard workers to start building a little nest of content. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Have a look at this...

Geo, can you check this out and make sure it all looks okay so I can notify some of the non-cabal editors who might want to participate [3]? Feel free to add rules, commentary, formatting, or whatever. It also has an active talk page (but no meta-talk page). Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Dead Hot Workshop

Updated DYK query On May 10, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dead Hot Workshop, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Shubinator (talk) 01:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Coal, Misundertood, Abused, Precious Natural Resource


You removed this titled addition, to the Wikipedia title 'COAL', any explanation?? country43 Country43 (talk) 17:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes the rationale was in the edit summary, but I will elaborate. The content was not cited using a reliable source, which is a requirement for Wikipedia (you can read about that at WP:RS). When you edit a page right below the edit window it says
"Content that violates any copyright will be deleted. Encyclopedic content must be verifiable."
Aside from unverified content it looked like it was copied word-for-word from a website (which you have done in the past) and therefore be a violation of our copyright policy, which can be read at WP:COPYVIO. Pleas let me know if you have any more questions. --kelapstick (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Attention Cabal

Note that I have created a template for the bacon barnstar (if needed in the future), {{subst:User:Kelapstick/Bacon barnstar|put your citation here ~~~~}}--kelapstick (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Hey, I don't know exactly what you did in my sandbox, but I think I approve. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 22:42, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
HAHA, if you put : before the word Category it takes it out of the category (so your sandbox doesn't get listed).--kelapstick (talk) 22:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Bacon barnstar.png The Bacon Barnstar
For creating a bacon barnstar template. Your instructions said to "put your citation here" when I think you meant comments, but I am taking a Rosetta Stone "learn to speak Canadian" course so I understood, eh. Good work, eh. Keep it up, eh.ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
That was the text from the Original Barnstar, it looked odd to me, but I figured you would be able to figure oot what I was talking a boot.--kelapstick (talk) 04:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Coke and Natural Gas produce Ethanol

            Re: Title Coal of Wikipedia
   You were not happy that our references were personal. We contacted and they agreed to grant the permission of copyright, and they posted this grant on their first web page. You might have another comment. We will be glad to correct it when you will disclose it..
   Country43 (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I hope this helps, but I encourage you to read WP:RS and WP:COPYVIO if you have not already.

  • is not what is usable as a reliable source for Wikipedia. From that policy:
Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
  • The material that I removed was copy/paste from, which is not a reliable source either, and is probably under copyright, in order for it to be added, the company would have to release the materials copyright under the GFDL, which in my experience, most companies do not want to (at least companies that like to make money).

In a nutshell:

  1. Do not copy and paste content from one website to Wikipedia for copyright reasons, even if it is will not be a copyright violation it is still plagerism
  2. Only add content that has been published in a third party reliable source, which excludes all the websites that you have posted in the past including coal and the environment and coal plant engineering.

If this is not clear I would be happy to expand on any questions you may have.--kelapstick (talk) 21:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello,It was just yesterday that you confirmed that was a reference, consequently we contacted them. Now as they accepted to post a copyright grant, you are no more accepting them??? We hope that there is nothing personal.. country43 Country43 (talk) 21:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

There is nothing personal, but the website still does not qualify as a reliable source (so even if there is no copyright/plagerism issue it could not be used), perhaps I should have included that in my edit summary. --kelapstick (talk) 21:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, We thank you for your response, and we are glad of your attitude. According to the definitions provided by Wikipedia, An organization website is an accepted reference. Coal-and-the-environment is a respectable organization with a lot of members and supporters, and it is standing on a high world wide level, and its mission is far reaching. When they accepted our request to grant the copyright, this does not diminish their attitude. They accepted this grant from the perspective of accepted policy.

Now from another different view, Coke and Natural Gas produce Ethanol is a scientific fact well documented in Ullmann's Encyclopedia of Industrial Chemistry, and Kirk and Othmer Encyclopedia of Chemical Technology. The documentation follow the sequence we mentioned in our article, Ethylene is first produced from Coke and Natural Gas, next Ethylene is a well known raw material to produce Ethanol.

This scientific fact is also mentioned several times over the internet, and it is only the Wikipedia which is left behind.

As a protector of the Wikipedia, you surely do not intend to shadow darkness on the Wikipedia.

Country43 Country43 (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Where in WP:RS does it say that a company website is usable as a reliable source? The word "company" does not show up anywhere on the page, and the only time the word website shows up is right after "do not use" in how to source statements of opinion. If Wikipedia is the only online media that does not realize that ethanol can be produced by combining coke and natural gas that it will be easy to find a reliable source, unless no "reliable sources" (in terms of Wikipedia) have published it, in which case it is not to be included.--kelapstick (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


K-stick, you old shadower of darkness, what up with this? How's the move going? Drmies (talk) 14:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

They call them films here, not movies, see Titanic (1997 film), Casablanca (film) etc. because when you say film you sound fancier than when you say movie. Actually I don't really know why they are called films and not movies...I pick up the truck today, we are about 40% packed, and at that point where we had to stop because we were using the other stuff, but it should go fairly smoothly over the next two days. We are even getting our cable and internet (which means we get our phone since we have a VoIP phone) hooked up on Saturday, who works on Saturdays? Especially around here.--kelapstick (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Good luck with the move. Lift with your legs, not with your back. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I should be checking out of here at 4, but there is a woot-off today so I almost want to stay at work...--kelapstick (talk) 19:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for J-D's Down Home Enterprises

Updated DYK query On May 15, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article J-D's Down Home Enterprises, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

JamieS93 18:28, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Congrats, and thanks for letting me play! Drmies (talk) 19:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I believe that is #25 now. Looking forward to getting the Bacon articles up. Do you think we should combine Mitch Morgan and Bacon Martini in the same hook?--kelapstick (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Shoot, forgot to fry bacon this morning. I hope I'll get to it today. Yeah, I think that's a good idea...but don't ask me for ideas, I'm just the ref template guy. ;) I made a few edits to the article, I think it's great. Where do you get these ideas? Drmies (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Well I actually went there the other day, got some pictures but haven't been able to upload them yet, I even got in trouble from a pin monkey for using flash photography while a national tournament was on going, but there was no sign (I did look), and they didn't look like they were very good anyway.--kelapstick (talk) 20:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
What is a pin monkey? Don't combine hooks. Martinis and Mitch Morgans shouldn't be jumbled together. The bowling building article is good and the JD bacon seasonings company one is good too. Kudos. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
A pin monkey is the guy who fixes the pins when the machine breaks, back in the day they would actually set the pins. This guy was actually working on scoring I think, but they are all pin monkeys to me. It bowling stadium looks good to me, it is a far hope to get it to get it up to DYKable though, would need to be about 2.5x longer and I just don't think it has it. A bag of crap just came up on the woot-off, I hope I can get my order in on time, I think it is.--kelapstick (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I cooked extra bacon this morning, so I'll be making pictures today. Bacon Monkey (talk) 115:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


Hey K, can you assess this edit? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

  • The Mitch Morgan picture is in there, with a mixed drinks infobox. I'm not happy with the photo but it's all I got right now... Drmies (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
Nice work on the picture, as for the edit, I don't know about the censors, but people do refer to BOC as some other variant of the acronym, my favorite is Bandolier of Carrots. They sold it at here. The edit though is entirely original research and falls under the category of WP:NOTGUIDE, for example, Wikipedia is not here to help you understand a Woot forum (they can be quite funny during a Woot-off by the way). --kelapstick (talk) 15:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Jack Weiss Page


I saw your post in the discussion area of Jack Weiss in reference to Sloanlier. Thank you for your help. Can you talk to Will Beback to have him remove the unsourced information? He has currently locked the page from editing.

Thank you (talk) 23:26, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Kelapstick, if you are aware of any BLP violation on the Jack Weiss page please let me know so it can be deleted.   Will Beback  talk  00:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Kelapstick, I'm very happy to see you involved in LA politics. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
I do what I can. --kelapstick (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


I hope you're enjoying yourself and settled in your new home. Have a good weekend. Since you like N.M. stories, this might be good for an article: Roswell UFO Festival. ChildofMidnight (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

We are getting settled, nice place but a long commute. I have a few things left in our old garage that I have to take up still but we are pretty well moved, now the unpacking, argh. After 5 days we finally have internet/phone/TV so that is nice. This morning on my way in I had a great video shot of a crop duster, however the battery in my video camera died midway through the video :( oh well there is always next week! I may take a look at that Festival article next week too.--kelapstick (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
I hope you enjoy your new home and new area. When is the housewarming party and what do you want me to bring? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I am enjoying it, not so much the hour drive to work in the morning, but it won't be so bad once I get my satellite radio hooked up in the Jeep. A bacon explosion would be an appropriate house warming gift.--kelapstick (talk) 01:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
Oops. I already got you a pikachu. I'll see if I can return it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:44, 23 May 2009 (UTC)


[4]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:50, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


Cheers for the heads-up. The whole Lucifugum issue is becoming something of a headache. For the record, I'm a fan of the band, but they clearly don't meet WP:MUSIC. The behaviour of Black Pauk1488 is becoming somewhat disruptive... I posted some concerns on Drmies talk page here. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed, although I do feel they are becoming disruptive. Suggestions? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Well the whole issue came back after the page got moved back by pauk into article space (via an inappropriate copy/paste) after Fabrictramp (an excellent admin/editor with whom I have worked with before) userfied the page in good faith. Pauk was given specific instructions not to move it back until it was improved, which he chose to ignore. So Fabrictramp nominated it for speedy deletion as recreated material following a deletion discussion, however since he is now involved in the whole situation (compounded by the suggestion by pauk that he endorses the page as it sits now, regardless of the fact that an administrators endorsement really means squat) he can't be the one to delete it. I think that we should wait until the speedy deletion plays out, it will get deleted, hopefully salted, and keep an eye on pauk's (et. al.) contributions, User:Black pauk1488/Lucifugum should be put up at WP:MfD (citing the multiple recreations) since he just copies and pastes from there to the mainspace, but I think that userspace content has a tougher time than mainspace stuff, but maybe. In my experience dealing with situations like this, the best way to deal with it is explain to the offending party clearly (not easy for me) and calmly your points. Policy speaks for itself in AfD discussions and on talk pages. Users who are Hell-Bent for Election that they are right and everyone else is wrong tend not to listen anyway (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cal Con where we are told that we should keep an article about a Calgary gaming convention that hasn't even received local coverage since it's inception 10 years ago or else we will come off looking like elitists). I find that once you have said your piece, it is best to ignore them as they always have to have the last word, and it is just a waste of time arguing the same points. Anyway the pages are on my watchlist and if I can help in anyway just ask. --kelapstick (talk) 21:44, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

trivia record?

This here, I_Am…_Tour#Additional_notes, is the longest list of trivia I've seen in a long time. I'm tempted to go in and simply delete it--and start an edit war with every Beyonce fan in the world. Why don't you go and delete it? You're a nice guy and can do these things! ;) Drmies (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of trivia (OK, that's lousy--can't think of a smooth transition right now), did you ever think about this? I'd vote for you. Drmies (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
That's not really that long a section, but it should be cut. It's all original research, and really just an indiscriminate collection of information. As for RFA, I have never really given it serious though, but I would probably accept if I was nominated. If nothing else an RfA gives you a good indication of what you are doing wrong/right around here. I don't think you should give up on corn tortillas, we had them (toasted) with bacon, egg and tomato...awesome. --kelapstick (talk) 14:35, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Maple bacon donut

Once this article got moved into my user space (and I tried to give it back but you deleted where you used to have it...) you stopped working on it. How do I give it back so it becomes your responsibility to finish it? [5]ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:56, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

In other sad news, apparently there was a push by one editor to redirect Luther Burger to Hamburger...What is the world coming to?--kelapstick (talk) 22:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Would a "Lutheran Burger" be some kind of hotdish served with a jello salad instead of fries? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Good luck on your RfA Kelapstick. Being that it's now officially B-Day, I've moved my Bacon Challenge 2009 article creations from my userspace to mainspace. In order for all of the article to qualify as created the same day I think you have to do the same, or let me know if you're busy and you want me to do it as I am more than happy to do it. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 What is more important than B-Day? see:
Also I checked maple bacon donut, it qualifies. Cheers! --kelapstick (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I just now saw you responded on Doc's page. Cheerios! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

In other (sad? exciting) news

Drmies (talk) 04:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I have a lot of questions I want to ask. Should I wait until it goes live? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't know. You should know how this works! Drmies (talk) 18:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Well it's live now the point is moot...Nice question Doc!--kelapstick (talk) 20:19, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Cal Con

The AFD for Cal Con, which you participated in, was recently closed as no consensus. I have requested a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 May 26#Cal Con. -- Whpq (talk) 18:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Kelapstick

Are you sure you mean this to be transcluded? The questions are not answered . . . . Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

When does it get transcluded, I read one that says transclude after accepting, the other says answer the questions than transclude, do I wait until all the questions are answered or just the first three? --kelapstick (talk) 19:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Answers should be on before transclusion. People will use lack of answers as grounds to oppose. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 19:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, well I am working on them now, at least the first three plus one. Thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 19:45, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Still not clear on what area you are most interested in fro Q1. I think some words or a phrase did not make it. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Synergy untranscluded, so you have time. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, --kelapstick (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
U R welcome. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 20:26, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


email sent. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 01:01, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

K, after rereading one of your comments, it seemed that you may have been saying you had to take your kiddo in for a blood test? I hope everything's okay and you're all in good health. Doc tells me bacon is a cure all, if that helps anything. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Do not worry, All is well. Just some tests, I tried to give him bacon, he hasn't taken to it yet.. Too bad.--kelapstick (talk) 03:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Elvis Sandwich

I take it you are responsible for the removal of the Elvis Sandwich article and the creation of a generic one? Elvis' cook's recipe book makes no mention of the bacon that riddles the article. The reference I've looked at states "Elvis favourite, apparently". Thedarxide (talk) 06:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Interesting! I added a "supposedly" until we can sort it out. I'm finding some sources that do suggest he ate it even more directly than those in the article. This one [6] for example (and again in that same book very directly on page 256). And I haven't had a close look but this one says he ate 286 in one sitting. So perhaps it's satirical (upon further inspection it is most definitely a satirical number). We'll have to get to the bottom of the issue. You think he ate PBB sandwiches and has unfairly been associated with the PBBB sandwich? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:33, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Like I said, the recipe book that his cook has written is available at Graceland. The recipe was on the old article. I am not happy with the hi-jacking of the Elvis Sandwich article for some stupid bacon related crusade@ Thedarxide (talk) 09:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Thedarxide, I will explain my justification for the redirect. The last version before I redirected only consisted of explaining that the sandwich was a favorite of Elvis, was fried and had peanut butter, bananas and sometimes bacon, it then went on to say it was easy to make and gave the recipe. As the version before the redirect was only three lines, with two of them being the recipe, and the sandwich and its association with Elvis is covered in Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich I felt that the redirect was appropriate. Perhaps it should be noted in the PBBB article that in the cookbook available at Graceland the recipe did not include bacon, but do not discount the reliable sources that say the sandwich he ate (or at least a sandwich called "The Elvis", which in my eyes is the same as an "Elvis sandwich") does include bacon (I am willing to assume that he would have eaten both). If you feel that a fried sandwich that consists of peanut butter, bananas and only sometimes bacon can be considered independent of a Peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich, than feel free to revert my redirect. Or of you feel it more appropriate you are also welcome to edit "The sandwich and Elvis" section of the PBBB article as you feel is appropriate.
Aside from content issues, I would appreciate it if you would not to refer to the Bacon Challenge as "some stupid bacon related crusade", it is a collaboration by multiple experienced editors who enjoy writing articles related to bacon, and having them appear in the DYK section of the main page. It is no less valid than any collaboration of the week done by any WikiProject, and calling it a stupid crusade is a tad on the rude side. Cheers and happy editing. --kelapstick (talk) 15:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm leaning towards agreeing with Thedarxide that there is a problem. The evidence that he ate this particular sandwich with bacon is pretty thin, even though it's hard to prove a negative. The "reliable" source I provided was written in 2004 and says the sandwiches had sliced banana in one place and mashed banana in the other. Most of the other sources I can find suggest he ate a peanut butter and banana sandwich that was fried in either butter or bacon fat, and the sandwich is discussed indirectly elsewhere with regards to any connection between bacon, Elvis, and peanut butter and banana sandwiches. It's an interesting issue that involves the metting of history and legend. It seems entirely consistent with the symbolism and larger than life status Elvis has attained. Even sandwiches he may never have eaten have been ascribed to him. I suggest we try to clarify that there is no conclusive evidence one way or the other and include a note about the possible use of bacon fat in the pan. This will be difficult without engaging in OR and synth. It's also tricky because "The Elvis" seems to have come to include bacon, so perhaps a split off of a peanut butter and banana sandwich would be the way to go? This is one of the most difficult issues I've faced because there don't seem to be any clear answers. Those participating in stupid bacon related crusades must be dedicated to Truth! Long live bacon!!! Long live Elvis!!!!!ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Well an "Elvis sandwich" carries on many forms, depending on where it is prepared, it is not just a sandwich that Elvis ate, and most of the time (at least outside of Graceland) it has bacon. If you want to take away the strict association with Elvis at PBBB that's fine, CoM you are the one that added it anyway (weren't you?) I was more about the Michael Bloomberg connection. But I still think the redirect should stand, with a bit of the Graceland cookbook mentioned, however since there are no incline citations and the references are all offline, I can't tell what came from where.--kelapstick (talk) 16:30, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes. I am the one who is responsible for this controversy. And yes, I agree that the Elvis sandwich is not just about PBB. So I think the clarification you suggested noting that the PBBB recipe is not included in the cookbook written by Elvis's cook is very reasonable. But resolving the situation in that way will eliminate most or all of the drama, and being that we're dealing with Elvis and bacon, I think there should be some drama involved. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Your RfA

In the first question of your RfA you gave two examples of admin backlog of image categories, yet you only have 11 edits to the File namespace. If you become an admin, you might want to get some more experience with that namespace first. One way to do that would be moving images to Commons as I suggested to FingersOnRoids here.--Rockfang (talk) 01:28, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip and I appreciate (and will take) the advice. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Happy Kelapstick's Day!

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Kelapstick has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
so I've officially declared today as Kelapstick's Day!
For being a whiz at racking up DYK's,
enjoy being the star of the day, dear Kelapstick!

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For a userbox you can put on your userpage, please see User:Dylan620/Today/Happy Me Day!.

Dylan620 (Toolbox Alpha, Beta) 02:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


How are you holding up good sir? I hope you have a lovely weekend. There is no greater joy than unpacking after a move, eh? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:29, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

I am holding up fine I suppose. Luckily we were about 90% unpacked (we did a major purge of property when we left Canada and it makes moving far easier) and and we were able to finish cleaning the old place this week (procrastination, not excessive dirt) and I got the rest of the stuff out of the garage (it's a long process when you have to bring two boxes at a time in the back of a Jeep) so we are just about FINISHED. We have to go to Carson City on Saturday and I am not looking forward to it, but what can you do I suppose. On the bright side maybe I will eat at Doppelgangers‎, I think I read a good review of that place once but have never eaten there. --kelapstick (talk) 17:53, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Question 12

Did you mean "I do not think it is necessary to permanently recuse myself from using admin tools on mining related articles as I am able to be impartial with their use (for example I would not protect a page to prevent an editor from adding content I was in disagreement with)" Bongomatic 21:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, thanks Bongo, I should troutslap myself for that! Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Bacon martini

I see I'm not listed as a creator of the article at DYK. Would you mind if I added myself in? (Some people are very touchy about credits.) Shubinator (talk) 00:44, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Not at All, please add yourself. An honest oversight, CoM was adding a lot of DYKs, I can see how it could be missed. kelapstick (talk) 01:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I went over them, but not to check for that kind of thing--just for hooks, references and, of course, commas. Drmies (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
No worries. Just caught it going into the queues. Shubinator (talk) 02:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


K-stick, you're purty smart and all...I would like a picture from Flickr added to Seed swap--do you know how to arrange that? Drmies (talk) 02:20, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

yeah but probably not till monday, but it is easy to do at the commons.--kelapstick (talk) 02:33, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Doc, no can do. It doesn't have the correct licensing. Not for commercial use. Gonna have to find another or take one yourself. When you are searching for a picture do an advanced search and check creative commons box and the two other boxes that become available when you do, commrcial and I can't remember the other, modify I think. Hope this helps. kelapstick (talk) 03:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Turkey bacon

Updated DYK query On May 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Turkey bacon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 02:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


You seem like an experienced editor, so I won't paste the boilerplate template here. In any case, copyvios such as the ones at Cortez Gold Mine and Batu Hijau mine are unacceptable. BuddingJournalist 02:57, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Hopefully, this will be a good learning experience for you. BuddingJournalist 03:29, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

RFA unsuccessful (withdrawn)

Per your request, your RFA has been closed as "Withdrawn". Please take the discussion to heart and work on any issues brought up. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know and I'll see what I can do to help you. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:49, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Kudos on the impressive level of support you received in your RfA candidacy and for doing the right thing when an area of concern was identified. I'm sorry you won't be able to block Doc for a while. But all good things in time. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
If you want to take up my offer (posted to RfA talk), please contact me. Echoing ChildofMidnight's kudos: it'd be an honor to support your next RfA once the concerns are handled. Best wishes, DurovaCharge! 04:44, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you both, overall I feel pretty good. Nobody opposed because I was an asshole or mistreated them so that was nice to hear. As I said to Drmies, an RfA lets you know what you are doing right and wrong around here, and that is exactly what happened in this case, so while the note at the top says unsuccessful, in my eyes it is a success as there will be both article and editor improvement. I also hope that any other editors who were watching learn from my mistakes and take the opportunity to improve themselves. I am unsure if I will make another run in the future as I have a feeling that in six months I will not have the time to both edit and make an effective admin but time will tell. Also interesting to note is nobody opposed me for my excessive use of commas.--kelapstick (talk) 05:03, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Dear Kelapstick, it's not the abundance of commas, it's the lack of semicolons. I'm somewhat shocked, honestly. For me, the essence of plagiarism is the lack of attribution (I've made this point elsewhere, on Ottava Rima's talk page), and WP:Plagiarism seems to support me there. There is no hard and fast guideline for paraphrasing; the "three-word rule" that Rima referred to is not written down anywhere, as far as I know. (And Rima did not specifically address my concerns, as far as I know.) BuddingJournalist may have identified some passages that were too close to the source for comfort, but neither they nor Durova, with all due respect, have exactly identified what kind of rule decides between proper and improper paraphrasing and citing, or how that would constitute plagiarism if the source is given. I wonder if any of them are prepared to clarify this in, or add to, WP:Plagiarism--all that it offers is a footnote to Diane Hacker's style guide. (There's one section on the talk page which seems to support my relatively liberal reading.) I have that in my office and will look at it after the weekend; still, I note that Hacker's is only one of many guides, and it's not necessarily the gold standard. As CoM suggested, I think, this needs to be clarified.

I'm tremendously sorry that you felt forced to withdraw, but you strike me as someone who will take the high road. Enjoy your beer. Have a Mitch Morgan. I'm having one too, and will come back to editing later. This whole process has disturbed me a bit. Later, Drmies (talk) 05:41, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Response at User talk:Drmies BuddingJournalist 06:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Kelapstick, your gracious response to this situation really leaves a very good impression. In two or three months, with the one issue squarely behind you, it'll be a pleasure to help support your next bid for the mop. DurovaCharge! 16:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kelapstick, I discovered your RfA too late to comment and I was even more disappointed to find out how you was pushed to withdraw your nomination. However, if you plan your next RfA, please let me know – I don't want again to miss the opportunity to support your RfA. Beagel (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Dear Kelapstick, the very reason that you decided to withdraw in light of certain allegations only makes you rise in my estimation. It shows that you are open to feedback, are willing to act upon it and have integrity. I was sorry that you withdrew, but I understand your honourable gesture. Let me know when you feel ready to apply again and you will have my support once more.AlexandrDmitri (talk) 22:14, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Bacon martini

Updated DYK query On May 31, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bacon martini, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 08:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


That's too bad. I felt like you were going to pass. Look forward to next time, when you will be even better. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 17:43, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Same from me Kelapsticke, good luck next time-once you get the issues cleared up I'm sure you'll sail through! Dottydotdot (talk) 18:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the note Kelapstick. Though I regret having to switch to oppose in the end, your willingness to improve definitely reflects favorably upon you as an editor, and I hope to support next time 'round. Regards, –Juliancolton | Talk 20:00, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
  • whoa ... I just looked back. You were still ahead of the game here buddy ... but I do understand. It's called integrity, and I admire that. I truly respect your decision, even though I think it would have been a net positive even now, I'll view it as more of one in the future - when you sail through it. — Ched :  ?  21:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi Kelapstick. I think you might have misread what I posted. :) I wrote "systemic", not "systematic". I was referring to the fact that the copyright problems were systemic throughout the two articles, and thus, not limited to one or two sentences here and there that needed tweaking, as Drmies suggested. Certainly I wasn't insinuating anything deliberately malicious on your part.

In any case, since I'm here, I wanted also to clear up my reasons for opposing and pointing out the copyright problems at the RfA, since it seems folks are taking it the wrong way. I want admins to have a clear understanding of our policies, including our copyright policies (plagiarism is a slightly different matter, and although I would hope that admins understand this as well, our current confusing guideline does not facilitate this well). So thus, I opposed because I did not think you were ready to become an admin yet based on the copyright problems in the two articles you brought up as examples in your answer to question 2. My oppose in cases such as these are really prophylactic: my hope is that it prevents harm to both Wikipedia and the aspiring admin. Too often, we've seen cases where admins who don't quite fully understand policies/guidelines get into difficult quandaries; then the crowds start clamoring for their heads, and it becomes a distasteful experience for all involved.

Anyway, I think you're doing a great job taking the feedback from the RfA and learning from your mistakes. I'm sure if you have aspirations to become an admin that you'll be successful in the future. Cheers, TwilligToves (talk) 08:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


How's your bug article coming? What else do we have on tap? Anything exciting? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I looked for some sources for the beach beetle, didn't find anything, but I am not giving up yet. Just "working", and looking for some sources about Chester Lake in context. I left an answer at Bigger Digger's page about the Bucket-wheel excavator. --kelapstick (talk) 16:58, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich

Updated DYK query On June 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

20:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

More work for you

Hi K'stick

If you have a moment, can you help me expand Jerry Rosenberg? Think it's certainly DYK material.

Bongomatic 04:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, for sure there is a hook in there. Could use some tweaking, will Czech it out.--kelapstick (talk) 15:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Double murderers who provide pseudo-legal counsel with respect to prison riots are very notable subjects covered enthusiastically by the New York Times. The "list of" is looking better. But bacon is simple fare, the fewer columns the better. Can we please dump the origin column and just mention that bit when known in the description section? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Amended per my reading that he was a full-fledged lawyer along with plagarist VPs and other dubious characters. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree, especially when they are portrayed by Tony Danza. How did an Italian boxer get cast as a Jewish prisioner...I don't see the connection. I guess that is why it was "inspired" by a true story. If the origin section bothers you that much I will get rid of it...sigh...--kelapstick (talk) 17:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
There's an article on Tony Danza? My goodness, our notability standards are bit low. :) Danza is cool actually. It's nice to have silly and superficial celebs that are at least somewhat genuine. Plus he seems to be good with Italian cooking. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Well Elton John wrote a song about him, the one that goes "Hold me close young Tony Danza".--kelapstick (talk) 18:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The latest controversy, eh?

[7]. Let's hope cool heads prevail on this one and that calm can soon be restored. Otherwise we might need a pseudo-lawyer to counsel us on how best to riot? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, nice verifiable ref too. I think we need a table, these are from my observations. Feel free to add as appropriate.

In Canada

  • Back bacon → Canadian bacon or back bacon
  • Bacon → Streaky bacon (not American bacon)
  • Ham → Ham


  • Back bacon → back bacon
  • Bacon → Streaky bacon
  • Ham → Ham or Canadian bacon

Is American cheese just called cheese here? Because I haven't seen it called "just cheese". --kelapstick (talk) 18:52, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm noticing a lot of arrows being used. Are arrows the new semi-colons? I'm always hoping brackets will come into fashion. I don't understand anything you've written, and I agree with user:Law that the subjects of bacon and running around naked shouldn't be mixed up together.
What is American bacon? You've been hanging out with Doc for too long and now you're just making shit up. :) Cheese and American cheese are two totally different and unrelated topics. Please do not confuse them. Swiss cheese has holes in it. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The IP said American style bacon, I have never heard that before. Also that in the US American cheese is just called cheese. And in England that English muffins are just called muffins. Just passing on the message. Rock on. --kelapstick (talk) 20:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes indeed. Hard to figure out what any of that has to do with back bacon in the first place. Is it safe to assume by "American" style bacon the editor meant the good stuff? :) If they don't call them English muffins in England, then what do they call them? How are they differentiated from muffins? Or are muffins crumpets over there? I was just giving you a hard time about the arrows. But a pie graph or something with columns would have been better. Maybe a flow chart? I wonder what Lady of Shallots thinks? I would point out how this all relates to the many loonies on Wikipedia, but you might think I was talking about money. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I think they mean bacon bacon by American style, but the whole ref looked like one big tangent. I removed it, but would like to find some good sources for that, maybe another bacon DYK. We need to firm up this whole "Canadian bacon" issue. It is far too ambiguous. I also like the arrows, so there. Oh and what do you think of the final list of bacon dishes format? --kelapstick (talk) 21:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the format. I made some edits to the Bad Motherfucker filmography. All puncutation, really. Later dudes, Drmies (talk) 02:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Should Bad Motherfucker filmography redirect? Isn't it Badmotherfucker? Thanks for taking a look. I think it turned out alright.--kelapstick (talk) 03:13, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I think you did great work. Congratulations--next stop DYK. For the torture of FL status, see Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Kronos Quartet discography/archive1. I wouldn't recommend it rightaway. Drmies (talk) 04:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Dutch Oven Revert

Good call on the revert, but that wasn't my change.

Is it troubling that we make all these article on architects and hisotircal figures and this article seems to be the one that's most popular? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Mitch Morgan

Updated DYK query On June 4, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mitch Morgan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Giants27 03:49, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagebau Hambach mine

I'm sure you're familiar with the Bagger 288, but remarkably the mine it was built for doesn't have an article. Must be a pretty big mine. Bongomatic 22:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Bacon spam

File:Shapely turkey bacon.jpg
Speaking of spam...

To all members of the bacon cabal: Did you know that there is a theory that the Voynich manuscript might be the long lost Book of Bacon ? SpinningSpark 11:23, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Sweet. --kelapstick (talk) 16:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
The maple bacon donut made the front page. Another big win for KBC2009. And I didn't realize there was an article for Voodoo Doughnut. The gelato place around the corner from me is becoming a donut store. I will report on it after it opens.ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:56, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jerry Rosenberg

Updated DYK query On June 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jerry Rosenberg, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Giants27 09:49, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Well done, K-stick—excellent expansion, enhancement, and addition of commas! Bongomatic 12:24, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re:Locobot error on Warsaw Convention

This edit was wrong, my bot had messed up some pages replacing templates for "Category:Lifetime", etc... I have reverted many of them, but there are still some; it was due to a wrong configuration of the AWB plus it has been a little buggy (it seem it's now stable again). Locos ~ epraix Beaste~praix 18:32, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Batu Hijau

Did you see what happened to that one? Don't know the remedy, but it is an article that needs to exist. Bongomatic 01:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Please see User:Bongomatic/BH n
I've moved it into mainspace. Thanks so much. It's very difficult to revise material that you don't completely grok. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright K--I'll grok a Baconator, to your health of course, and with thanks to Moonriddengirl. Drmies (talk) 01:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Danger Mouse

Hey K-schtick. How are you? What's shaking up there in Reno? Getting some late spring snow are you? Anyway, I just wanted to say hi. :) I was really disappointed your admin candidacy wasn't successful. You are one of the nicest guys around and your reasonable and calm approach are an inspiration. I haven't had much to say on it all because I find it a bit frustrating that we have so many non-content contributors and stealth candidates that don't have a clue who pass, while exceptional editors get rejected on various technicalities and irrelevancies. But I guess Wikipedia, like life, isn't perfect. Anyway, I've enjoyed editing with you and I hope you're enjoying your new home and that the K-stick clan is all in good health and enjoying a festive summer up there by our nuclear waste storage facilities. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Life is good, there has been a TON of rain (no snow but some hail), and unfortunately we are in a flood zone (knock on wood nothing yet) when either 1) we get too much rain before it can evaporate (since they put in one too few catchment ponds in our subdivision) or 2) they try to run too much water through the canal and a levee breaks. The RfA was unfortunate, but it is what it is (and I did withdraw). Anyway like I said to Drmies, I only ever wanted to improve the encyclopedia so now I can get back to that, which as we can all agree on is the most important thing we do around here. I too have enjoyed the collaborative efforts we have all taken part in, and look forward to continuing them in the future. As for the summer, it is Fourth of July in Las Vegas, than Maui around mid August. That should keep me busy for the time being, where is the waste kept now that Yucca Mountain is a no go?--kelapstick (talk) 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's some big news [8]. You'll have to take some good photos from your trips. What are you going to be doing in Vegas? ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:15, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is an accomplishment that is totally worthy of inclusion. Probably as a stand-alone article. My sister and brother-in-law are coming to town, and they have not been to Vegas, we are taking them there for the weekend. We have been twice (once for my son's first birthday and once for a convention) and really enjoy it. The Strip is pretty cool to walk up and down (ducking into casinos to cool off), and I want to see the Fremont Street Experience, since I haven't done that yet. We usually stay at the Flamingo, but this time we are opting for the Excalibur, should be good times, maybe I will try and find the Double Down Saloon and get a Bacon Martini.--kelapstick (talk) 16:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

Bonjour. I`m new to this, but I`m sure my contributions will be productive. I was born in a town that no longer exists too. It was destroyed by mining. Did you have anything to do with that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Answered on IPs talk page, but I doubt it.--kelapstick (talk) 23:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Arbitral tribunal

Hi there. Just to let you know, this edit, just before yours, was actually vandalism. --Edcolins (talk) 08:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Atlantic sea serpent

Is this a subject area you are familiar with? I'm reading about Reno's ARtown, a 31 day festival held every July. Includes 350 events. renoisartown.myinitals Sounds great. I want a full report on evert event. Or are you going to be in Maui then? Or is it Vegas? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting on both accounts. I have never seen an Atlantic Sea Serpent, although I have have never seen a million dollars but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Art Town looks like a bunch of art on display at various places (most of them I have never been to). I had no idea it even existed, but if I see something I will be sure to update you. My interests lie more in the Best in the West Nugget Rib Cook-off. I hope to make it out this year. It's Vegas on fourth of July and Hawaii in mid August.--kelapstick (talk) 15:19, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In case you are interested I started User:Kelapstick/Best in the West Nugget Rib Cook-off, you can find some sources here.--kelapstick (talk) 15:30, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not interested. :) West Nugget Rib Cook-Off? Can you get any more "of local interest" than that. Sheesh. Unless of course it includes a potluck????? In which case it's probably notable. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


Hi Kelapstick, I've been cleaning up and adding to Pegswood, a small town you might find to be of some interest also. Whatever you can add (including in terms of categories) would be appreciated. I doubt we can expand five times for DYK, but still. Thanks in advance! and I'll be more sociable as soon as Rosie recovers from a double ear infection... Drmies (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

  • Ha, the difference between this and this, that makes me feel good. Still, lend a hand if you can. Drmies (talk) 21:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Doc, I did a bit of categorizing, which made me take a look at Category:Mining communities in Europe, I don't know how much time I will have to look at it in the near future, most of my free time is take up with more pressing matters these days. But if I get a minute this afternoon I will take a look. --kelapstick (talk) 15:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Wolfenstein! My favorite game ever! My only video game addiction! Thanks for the help. When next you have a minute, consider this. The copyright stamp for that image won't allow use on WP (right?), but I was thinking about dropping that person a line to ask them if they would change the tag so we could stick it in our article. Problem is, I have neither a Flickr nor a Yahoo account (and no desire to get one...). Do you? Could you leave them a note? Thanks, and happy Wolfensteining! Drmies (talk) 17:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Happy Father's Day Kelapstick. I hope y'all are having fun up in Reno. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:21, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, we got one of those 12' diameter pools at Wal-Mart, will make the summer much more manageable.--kelapstick (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy of CFL team members

Hi, I recently tagged the bio pages of a couple of CFL team members for Speedy, you removed those tags. Can I point out to you WP:ATH, where it is clear that an athlete must have actually played a pro game before they are of sufficient note, being signed as a non-drafted free agent and not having played is generally not considered enough reason. AfD must now be done I think, so your comments will be needed there. Trevor Marron (talk) 09:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I meant to notify you yesterday that I had removed those tags. Speedy deletion tags are for articles that do not indicate why the subject is important. Those articles had an indication of importance, being a player for a CFL team (regardless of if they had played or not). Not meeting WP:ATHLETE is not criteria for speedy deletion, proposed deletion or AfD is the way to go if you think they do not belong on Wikipedia. If you put them up at AfD I will be sure to weigh in. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but your wrong on the speedy bit. WP:ATH gives guidelines as to what makes an athlete notable and is a sub item of Wikipedia:Notability (people) and A7 is a valid use as the articles did not show anything that they were notable for. They both fail the notability test in my opinion, they have never played a pro game. The AfDs are up, I look forward to your contributions. Trevor Marron (talk) 22:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
You are missing the difference between notability and an indication of importance or significance.
  • From CSD A7: This page may meet Wikipedia’s criteria for speedy deletion as an article about a real person that does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject. (emphases added)
Not being notable is not a speedy deletion criteria, neither is failure to pass WP:ATHLETE (or any notability guideline). Not saying why someone is important or significant is. Saying they were signed by a professional team is an indication of importance or significance (i.e. being signed by a professional football team is a pretty significant accomplishment) and saying someone is a professional football player is an indication of importance, thus A7 does not apply regardless of if they are notable or pass WP:ATHLETE. When nominating pages for speedy deletion you don't go by the notability guidelines, you go by the speedy deletion criteria. It doesn't take much for an article to pass speedy deletion criteria, all you have to do is say why the subject is important, even if they won't meet the notability guidelines and would likely be deleted after an AfD discussion. If the article says why the subject is important you have to add a prod tag or take it to AfD. The reason for this is in order to take an article to AfD or PROD you should do some due diligence and take a look for reliable sources about the subject to make sure they do not exist (if the subject passes the general notability guidelines they do not have to pass WP:ATHLETE). I did weigh in on the debates, a week keep on Tim Sims (gridiron football) (due to coverage in reliable sources), and impartial on Kwasi Nkansah, but probably leaning towards delete. I didn't remove the tags because I thought the pages should stay, I removed them because it was not the correct process.--kelapstick (talk) 22:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Fly swatting

No offense, but this new article blows your square milk jug thing out of the water [9]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is awesome. Maybe it should be included in Political positions of Barack Obama#Environmental policy and record?--kelapstick (talk) 19:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The man's a cold blooded killer! He's just lucky that species isn't endangered. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Duelling DYK's

I've got a 50-minute headstart, you think you can catch up? EA210269 (talk) 23:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Its funny that we both wrote a mining article at the same time that actually deals with legal/policing issues rather then mining itself. I'm hopeful that both will make it to the main page, but propably not the same day. EA210269 (talk) 04:31, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Funny idea, nominating ten Bacon articles at once! Surely there must be some special Bacon day it fits to, like April fools day or St. Patricks Day. I think, our two hooks are different enough to not be seen as the same theme, image Wikiproject Mining getting two hooks up on one day! EA210269 (talk) 06:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Naturally, as there is only six Goldies in the state and WA being a rather large state, I think I'm more likely to produce a picture of the Loch Ness monster. Not much of a chance there. I might come up with a picture of their building, my wife does fly-in-fly-out through Kalgoorlie, she comes past it a lot. As to the Bacon, you mean there is people out there that don't eat Bacon even so their religion permits them to? Truely, what a world! EA210269 (talk) 15:22, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Your idea with the picture is great, it would definetly work! However, I'm currently otherwise engaged, would you mind volunteering? Its for a good cause, after all. What are a couple of years in a WA prison compare to that? I come and visit you once in a while. EA210269 (talk) 15:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, you got the good-to-go tick on yours while mine is collecting dust and getting to the bottom of the list. I suspect, DYK is run by people who had run-ins with the Gold Squad in the past and therefore hold a grudge. We will wait and see. Its like the Australian Postal Service, it can take many month to get your overseas parcel, but it does eventually come! EA210269 (talk) 00:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

You are one ahead of me on the conveyour belt, but both are getting there! Good news. EA210269 (talk) 06:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Reasons to move page

I tried to see the reasons why Nergaal moved the page. How can I (one) see these? Regards, Achim1999 (talk)

Well, I now can recognize: he gave NO reason. :-( Thus, I was right to suspect vandalism! Regards, Achim1999 (talk) 19:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Fragmentation analysis

Came across this article on new page patrol and I thought you might like to have a look. Have a great weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:36, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Coeur Alaska, Inc. v. Southeast Alaska Conservation Council

Updated DYK query On July 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Coeur Alaska, Inc. v. Southeast Alaska Conservation Council, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Giants27 (

c|s 23:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Criticism, eh?

Perhaps you're interested in the recent additions to Canadian_identity#Outsider_perceptions. Drmies (talk) 16:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Or you might be interested in Cliff mine. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:36, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, Talking to Americans was hilarious, (I believe CoM and I had a conversation about this before). Also Cliff mine is not to be confused with Cliffs Shaft Mine Museum also in Michigan.--kelapstick (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you back now? Or are you still working? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:24, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Still working(ish), not enough time to do much content contribution, just mainly vandalism where I see it. Also I am going to Denver next week, and possibly the week after so I don't see much free time in the near future.--kelapstick (talk) 19:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Take care. I'll try and hold down the fort here while you're away. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I know the wiki is in good hands. Don't let the man get you down!--kelapstick (talk) 23:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Paul David Wilson

I have no real idea which is the correct user but Pauldavidwilson makes most of the edits. I know that User:Paul David Wilson was created first and made the original article, which got deleted. The redirects should be fine though. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 21:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


Thank you. I appreciate the edits. The article’s was enhanced, so again, thank you very much. Paul David Wilson 22:22, 10 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pauldavidwilson (talkcontribs)

A friend in need!

I finally need you for something and you're out of town. How typical. I met a very nice Canadian, but I don't ice skate or curl, except into a ball sometimes when I'm sleeping. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:01, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Havent left yet, are you looking for lessons? kelapstick (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't need no stinking lessons, I need some key phrases to establish communication across the cultural divide. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:27, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
You could try pronouncing "out and about" "oot and aboot". Aparently that is what we sound like, I don't hear it, but I have noticed an accent when I go back and talk to people...Colorado is nice, the food is great and the beer is better. You should probably check out this. It was the error message when we tried to buy something on Woot.--kelapstick (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
If you're into that kind of thing, check out this. Bongomatic 22:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
That was fun. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


Given your expertise on Nevada's state sport of snowbagging, I'm wondering if you have any insights to offer on this up-and-coming sport. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC) I saw Four Mile uranium mine on the DYK board and thought you might be interested given your enthusiasm for mining and Uranium. I've driven through Uravan numerous times. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Back to Nevada, yes, back to Wikipedia, no. With the exception of checking in to see what you yahoos are up to.--kelapstick (talk) 22:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
They grow up so fast. It seems like only yesterday you were a Wikipedia tadpole just editing away. And now you're off to raise a family of your own in real life. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey, did you just call CoM a yahoo? I'm glad you'll check back in occasionally. I was wondering what you were doing. Drmies (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I think he was referring to you and Bongo as yahoos. Kelapstick usually refers to me as a great and heroic patriot with unmatched wisdom and gallant generosity. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:05, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
You forgot modesty.--kelapstick (talk) 17:11, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
That's a chronic condition with him. Drmies (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Drmies always with the marijuana allusions. Just say no. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:52, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

List of active gold mines in Western Australia

Hey Kelapstick, I don't use my old account anymore, for a number of personal reasons, but I still watch its talk page. Thanks for letting me know, I'm still not completely happy with the list, will have to fix it up some more. Yours looks good, just one thing, under production, I assume its annual? If so, 1,215,447 ounces for Betze-Post mine is very impressive. Is it just one single mine? Calistemon (talk) 00:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

I've made some more alterations, have a look and see whether you like it. As you are preparing a similar list, a common format for the future would be quite an advantage, I reckon. Calistemon (talk) 00:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the update. Production all mines is for 2007, I am going to add that (unless you have already), I think that BP mine is a couple pits but I am not sure. I am going to tweak it tomorrow, when I have a real keyboard. :D Cheers. kelapstick (talk) 05:35, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The problem with mining companies is that their annual reports don't all cover the same time period, I added the Period column for that reason. The only way around that would be to add up quarterly reports, which would however increae the chance of an error! I havn't added anything to your page, its kind of private at this stage. Calistemon (talk) 09:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The data I put in was from a report by the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology, so I took it to be rather comprehensive, at least for Wikipedia's purposes. There is also (at least for NA) the Canadian and American Mines Handbook, which lists every mining company in North America, with stats including employees, daily tonnage production etc. I am going to use it to sort out some of the areas that the report was ambiguous about. Not sure if it has ounces of gold produced listed though. I am more used to base metal mines, where they report tons not pounds. Don't worry about tweaking the Nevada page, I welcome additions by other users to works in progress (especially if it is fixing my errors!) Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I was just looking at the handbook, and it looks like the BP mine is now known as the Goldstrike Mine, and is one open pit mine. Interesting.--kelapstick (talk) 15:43, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

There is a lot of similarities between Nevada and WA, as good production goes! I too found an interessting book in my local library, The Australian Mines Handbook 2003-04, but I havn't been able to source a newer version, unfortunatly, it may not be published anymore. I think, the size of the columns on your page could be slightly adjusted to allow for more room in the first two, I will have a look. Calistemon (talk) 23:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks, I am thinking that the "Location" field should be deleted, don't know what to put there...I was thinking distance to closest landmark...but don't know where to get that, maybe Infomine.--kelapstick (talk) 16:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, location in thinly-populated states like Nevada or WA is a problem, not so many towns there. For WA, I mostly went for what the Handbook said, or went and found a sheep- or cattle station nearby. The only other thing I could suggest is maybe coordinates. But if it really makes no sense because there is nothing else in the area of those mines, just get rid of it, I would say. Calistemon (talk) 01:14, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Andrew long

What do you think? ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, not sure, without anything really independent i might have to agree. Will post on WP:GEOLOGY, they may have some insight.--kelapstick (talk) 13:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

List of active gold mines in Nevada

User:Moondyne came up with a number of good solutions for the notes and the map postiion in List of active gold mines in Western Australia, I transfered them accross to List of active gold mines in Nevada. I think, his way of displaying the notes looks rather professional. Calistemon (talk) 02:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I meddled around with that based on yours, but the issue that I had was it didn't let me show references in the notes. But I see that solution was fixed. The only other issued that I had was how does one differentiate between notes and references, since they are both in the [1] format. My Band-Aid solution (why doesn't that have an article) is to rename the "Sources" column to "References" to match the References section at the bottom. Looks pretty good though. Thanks!--kelapstick (talk) 22:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

While you were out

If anyone wants to improve User:Kelapstick/Lenny Bruce Is Dead and User:Kelapstick/Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bible! while I am away I would appreciate them doing my work for me...--kelapstick (talk) 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Have fun kiddo. I have all the respect in the world for storm chasers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I just checked the forecast [10]. Looks good. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
That's awesome, "Screw you Hawaii", and "Three full days of shame!"--kelapstick (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I think he says "shade", but shame works too. The sun will always be shining for you and your crew K-Stick. Not to worry. I'm sure you'll get leied, one way or another. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
HAHA that makes more sense...--kelapstick (talk) 20:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Mir Mine

I did not know there is infobox for mines, I'll fill it up ASAP. Yes, the article was written for DYK, and who knows, I migh move on to other (diamond) mines. BTW, do you know how to write a proper ratioanale for that satellite image (google maps, I simply copied mine from another image) and whether it is allowed on WP at all? I already got an angry comment on that. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


Kihei coast

In Hawaii, it's awesome. --kelapstick (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you gotten leied? Have fun! I don't want to see you online again until you're back. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Jeesh, all this time in Hawaii and no updates with details? Not even a postcard. What's it like there under the waterfall? How is TC? Did you rent a Ferrari or are you sticking with the rental Focus? Make sure to wear plenty of suncreen. And don't step on any sea urchins. I just did a bunch of articles on Jamaican cuisine, so I need you to go there next. Thanks! ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

all is well here, we are rocking the Dodge Charger dukes of hazzard style. Went snorkeling today and to a luau Tuesday. Both most awesome. I am "liberating" Internet now so I won't be long, that and I am on my iPod. Took the Hana highway yesterday, and the term highway is in it's loosest possible context. One and a half lanes for sixty miles, and about +50 one lane bridges (no exageration). Sunset cruise tomorrow and maybe the crater sat. Feel free to correct spelling/add wiki links, cheers from Kihei. kelapstick (talk) 07:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Awesome. Enjoy! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Scenic view along the Hāna Highway
Sounds great! Have you found anything to dig out of the ground yet? Say "hi" to Apollo and Zeus. Bongomatic 17:27, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Back and the trip was most excellent, I highly recommend the island, if I find a few pictures that are Commons worthy I will be sure to post them. Nice new sig Bongo. Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 16:05, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

V word

K, do you know how to do a non-admin closure on the AfD for V word? Once that's done I can redirect the page and see where that takes me; then I want to move on to those many, many redirects. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 23:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Hey, I just had a look at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion--it appears that, basically, any non-offensive or properly spelled redirect will do. What is your sense of it? Drmies (talk) 23:16, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
    • In short, no I don't know how to do a NAC, but I just did, so I await the warning templates. I guess the mentality is redirects are cheap I suppose, I had been told that once before.--kelapstick (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
      • I think I heard DGG say that sometime, yes. Hey, thanks. The way I read the guidelines those completely redundant redirects will stand for eternity. At least Timberlake is leaving a mark. Drmies (talk) 00:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Gold mining

Did I tell you that there was a substantial article in the LA Times a while back about that gold mine and the dumping issue in Alaska. It basically just said that through another review of some sort they were still allowed to fill the lake with tailings. A big win for you polluters. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


Yes it looks as if I was aming for current location rather than historical location. Probably because it's somewhat easier to do and I thought that people would tend to look for a mine where it is now rather than at the time of operation. For example the North Rankin Nickel Mine (1957-1962) was never in operation in Nunavut but only in pre-division NWT. And you are right it would be best to mention it in the lead. Cheers. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 16:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about a picture. It would probably take some searching. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 17:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Polaris mine

Anyone want to work on a hook?--kelapstick (talk) 21:51, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Polaris mine it's not what you zinc! Actually something on the 700 ft warehouse being the largest in NU might work. By the way the "best friends" are the ones that don't think and use an email they want to keep, such as their home email, to send those sort of threats using Wikipedia's mailing system. I get a valid email to report and they don't see mine as I never reply. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 22:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm at work right now so I can't send the email but I'll email Teck and see if they would release that image, even at that resolution. They might be willing to as the mine is closed and, I assume, the building is gone making the monetary value of image very small. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 23:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Potential hooks


Add as you see fit ...that Canadian Prime Minister Joe Clark promised to ship half of the ore from the Polaris mine on the MV Arctic (pictured).

Canadian Hit 30 Countdown

It is unlikely that this page is going to get any bigger, so what if we merge applicable content into the pages for both radio stations and leave the prod back on the stub page? PopMusicBuff talk 22:22, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Lack of potential expansion is not a deletion criteria. Why can it not be expanded? Typically we would redirect that page to the page where the is found, but since it is found on two pages it is more appropriate that the show has an article with links on the station pages to the shows page.
Also just a note, you can't just copy and paste material from one page to another. It is a violation of the GFDL. What it does is make it look like you are the sole author of the content (which you are not). You have to merge the articles histories, well and administrator has to merge them. It is an honest mistake, one that I have made myself. Also there is a proposed merger process that you would have to go through,. which I can see as being rejected, as I said, because you would be merging one article into two articles. Hope this helps, let me know if you need clarification, sometimes I don't type as clearly as I would like. --kelapstick (talk) 22:28, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

RE: Be With You

I realized that, but I also realized that the page would most likely be deleted per WP:NSONG, plus the one user created like 15 pages solely to redirect to each other, forming two, three, and four redirects in a row. Not to mention that the user is a sock. because of this I decided to go ahead and put the deletion nominations on WP:CSD#G5, WP:CSD#G8, and possibly WP:CSD#R3. Plus the pages are being deleted as I am writing this lol. PopMusicBuff talk 23:07, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Attention cabal

Let's hope we can find enough sources for Tac Bac - Tactical Canned Bacon. kelapstick (talk) 03:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

It seems that bacon mania is over. Or at least on hiatus. I think the bacon explosion was just too much for some of us. Or maybe it's dear leader's affinity for arugula? We would all do well to consume more fruits and vegetables after all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


Just a wee bit generous. While he did support and was vocal with it I don't recall that he was the head of the push to Nunavut. I think that some of the land claims leaders from the time might have a better claim to that title. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 16:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

True. As it is the Dennis Patterson article now gives the impression that he was the main person behind Nunavut. At least no one has tried to add that he was the premier of Nunavut to the article yet. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 16:23, 31 August 2009 (UTC)


I couldn't help noticing the dramatic alteration you made in my post. I'm troubled by this minimization, but I will try not to make any outrageous analogies for how your reduction of that picture of the MC Hammer doll has affected me.

I went looking for your holiday photos and all I could find was a shot of some strange sign of some sort. Did you leave the hotel room? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern, it is dually noted, I feel that any expansion of an image of an MC Hammer doll is likely to scare the children. Lord knows it scared me. I haven't put up any holiday pictures, since most of them are already up on the commons in one form or another. I guess everyone takes pictures of the same thing. They are however posted in various other mediums.--kelapstick (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Are any of the mediums available to yours truly? When you say that my concern is "dually" noted, does that mean you've taken note of it twice? I appreciate the extra effort.
Yikes, now I'm making bad grammar jokes. These are troubled times indeed. How far I've fallen. Have a good week. Don't work too hard. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:14, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes I have taken note of it twice, and I am working on the pictures, but first have to figure out what the price of copper actually is (I think my usual reliable source is out to lunch).--kelapstick (talk) 18:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
Are you working them up by hand in your dark room? What's the hold up? How is the Wolfpack looking? Did you win the rib eating contest? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:02, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Ive been tied up with other things, both on and off wiki. The rib-off was awesome, I had a huge beef rib from the winning entry. Have you seen my page on it so far, almost a waste to save it till bacon challenge. The Wolf Pack got schooled 35-0 by Notre Dame last week, but I hope to get to a game this year. kelapstick (talk) 04:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Wow, CoM making a grammar joke--what's next? Hamburgers with ground-up bacon in 'em? Oh wait, I had those yesterday already. You know, I just don't care for beef ribs, but maybe I should eat them more often. Later kids, Drmies (talk) 04:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I typically don't go for beef ribs either. But after seeing the size I had to plunge, had a couple plates of pork too. Next year it is all you can eat/drink (and no lines). Only 100 bucks, anyone in? kelapstick (talk) 04:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
You know I saw part of the Nevada-Notre Dame game and I never made the connection to Reno or you. I think I confuse Arizona and Nevada, or something. Weird. Nevada always sound so hot and warm, I think of the Wolfpack more as the U of Reno. I'm very confused.
I'm mostly with Doc on the beef ribs, but sometimes they can probably be good. A nice meaty bone. Wait, that sounds weird...
Was the bacon burger called a 50/50? I had a Banh mi today. And I got in trouble again for taking photos in a store, and almost got hit by a bus (I thought it was turning... ooops). But I found bulla cakes and rock cake, so it was all worth it (more or less). ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Polaris mine

Nothing yet so you should submit it. I had no Internet most of the day due to the rain. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 04:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Good luck. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 06:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

John Dickinson

Stop reversing the edits about John Dickinson.

He was the largest slave owner in Delaware and later in Philadelphia.

He was not the Governor of Pennsylvania, he was the President of Pennsylvania.

Stop changing history. Just because a few of you have decided to refer to the Presidents of the colonies as Governors does not make it an historical fact. The fact is that they were presidents and the colonies were not certain that they wanted to be bound in obligation to the United States. Remember "State" is an international term, not a domestic term. It refers to an independent country. At that time in history, the colonies considered themselves to be independent countries.

Stop reversing my edits. Come to Pennsylvania and check your facts about my state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

How many slaves John Dickinson owned is not relevant to the article about the school that is named after him. It is covered in his article. I have been to Pennsylvania and have no desire to return, thank you for the invitation though. --kelapstick (talk) 22:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Gwalia Gold Mine

It's in Australia and supposedly Herbert Hoover was a manager. FYI. We don't need your copper. We're ripping it out of foreclosed homes. Thanks anyway. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, I knew Hoover was a mining engineer, he also did the translation of De re metallica (or The Nature of Metals). I have a copy in my office.--kelapstick (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


...for the revert of my user page. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 09:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Posted on my talk page. Didn`t notice your message up-top. --Renrenren (talk) 20:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

thank you

thank u very much. i'll do whaat i can —Preceding unsigned comment added by Affieq (talkcontribs) 01:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

You have imparted knowledge!

Thanks to your note here, I knew what was going on here. Cheers! MickMacNee (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

That ANI link doesn't work now, but essentially, Jackson Effect had been moved to Jackson effect during an Afd and the deleting admin only deleted the redirect after the Afd closed on 7 July, confusing me when I noticed it being added to Death of Michael Jackson, over a month later [11]. MickMacNee (talk) 23:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Glad to help, I first discovered the issue with an article about an upcoming Batman movie (article was moved to remove the space between returns and (movie), I couldn't understand why the admin deleted the redirect and not the page. All human I suppose. Easiest fix is using {{db-repost}}, it's been a while, but I think that it automatically lists the past deletion debates in the template. Cheers --kelapstick (talk) 23:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Polaris mine

Updated DYK query On September 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Polaris mine, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
Wikiproject: Did you know? 11:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
And I thought, Australia was remote! Good stuff, mate. Calistemon (talk) 14:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, congratulations. What about that other mine, is that a winner yet? After reading the article I spent an hour or so reading articles about famous diamonds, and now I want one too. Drmies (talk) 17:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


Friendship barnstar.png The Friendship Barnstar
Thank you for being a friend Kelapstick. When I get notes such as yours it truly makes me realize what a wonderful place WP can be. Your kind words are greatly appreciated, and I wish more folks would take the time to see the "real" people behind the edits here. Thank you for being there. ;) — Ched :  ?  23:43, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree. Kelapstick is a very collegial and generous young man. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:02, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
One does what one can. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Oops, I justfound them. When did you post them? I'll have a full report as soon as I've had a chance to review them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:39, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks again for posting the Hawaii photos. I appreciate it. Have a great weekend. We'll catch up on Monday when you have more free time. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sigma heat

My gift to you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:58, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

No thank you is necessary. Your silent appreciation for my generosity says more than words ever could. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't quite sure what you wanted me to do with it. The definition is copied straight from the source, I have never heard of the term...--kelapstick (talk) 20:12, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I expect you to know everything related to mining. Now I'm hurt and confused. I feel like my whole world is falling apart. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:44, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
It would be nice to have some context. What part of mining engineering is it used for? Is it just another word for 32 degrees? We use celcius in Canada. I am lost. kelapstick (talk) 05:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Those are great questions. (Except the one about it having to do with 32 degrees. The article/ definition says it's the measure of heat ABOVE that as I understand it.) Now, why is it you don't have the answers? We're not in Canada anymore Koto. Give an inch, they take a mile. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:41, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Yeah I saw that once I re-read it. Confusing. So it is the temperature above freezing. What does that have to do with mining? I don't know....if we use proper temperature measuring systems, sigma heat would actually be the convenient. Because what the hell does 32 have to do with water?--kelapstick (talk) 22:50, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe Wikipedia's definition of sensible heat will help: Sensible heat is potential energy in the form of thermal energy, or heat, and refers to the heat that is added or removed from the air and dry bulb temperature changes without water vapor content change. So there you have it. Just add in some latent heat. I thought for sure you would be using Kelvin out there in Nevada. Your work is positively radiating. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:02, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Kittilä mine

Updated DYK query On September 19, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kittilä mine, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
≈ Chamal Avast, landlubber! ¤ 22:07, 19 September 2009 (UTC)


...for reverting that edit made by a user under the I.P. Address I reverted a couple edits by that user as well.
~~LDEJRuff~~ (see what I've contributed) 16:51, 29 September 2008 (EDT)

No problem, I figured it would make sense to include Noggin in the lead as well, especially since probably not everyone knows that the switch was made.--kelapstick (talk) 20:52, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Cap lamp

Bad timing, I'm waiting for my plane out of here to take me to three weeks of annual leave. I havn't worked underground in the last 10 month so I'm not useing a head lamp much nowadays, I will see what I can do when I get back to site in mid October. I've got pictures of headlamps, but they are all attached to people, not separate, and I doubt you want to see my unshaven old face in your article! Calistemon (talk) 06:33, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it would show some authenticity . . . go for it! Bongomatic 06:42, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Agreed Bongo, the only picture I have of me in a cap lamp (and full U/G gear) includes about 5 days growth (before company wide mandatory shaving for respirator use) and massive wings (that I was told made me look like Krusty the Clown). (Un)fortunately I do not own the licence to this, sooooo... I can't post it (I probably couldn't find it either). I haven't been underground since 2005, so the chances of me getting one are pretty slim (although I might be able to call someone who might be able to assist). Either way, have a great time out, and if you can get something when you get back, great. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunatley, it will have to wait till I get back to site, its on my lap top there. I've got one of my wife working UG, wearing one there, but without her permission, I wouldn't dare posting it. I doubt she will allow me, she doesn't think UG coverall are very sexy! Calistemon (talk) 15:43, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm still in Perth till Monday, we will leave for France then. Anyway, you should post Krusty the Clown working underground on your user page, I'm sure it would be entertaining. Going to sleep now, its almost midnight, thanks for the holiday wishes, Calistemon (talk) 15:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October

An animation depicting a stirling engine

Since you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ (3rd nomination), which was closed as "no consensus", you may be interested in a subsequent DRV. Since I disagreed with the close, I contacted the closing admin, who responded, "To be honest, Cunard, I would tend to agree with you, but I am not sure if the balance of things heads to delete rather than no consensus. Listing it at DRV might be a good option here; I won't endorse or oppose the close and will allow the DRV community to decide it. Therefore, I have listed this article at DRV; if you would like to participate, please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October Thanks, Cunard (talk) 21:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Will follow as it progresses. Thanks for the notice. --kelapstick (talk) 21:11, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Fg list

Can you help me out in the List of Family Guy cast members to put them in order, like the simpsons. --Pedro J. the rookie 02:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look tomorrow ans see what I can do. kelapstick (talk) 04:01, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
That shouldn't be a problem but there is one issue, you can not have merged cells (like Seth McFarlane is) if you want the wikitable to be sortable, it just doesn't work..I will see if I can sort some of it out.--kelapstick (talk) 15:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


I CAN DO WHAT I WANT TO JAMAL IS REAL —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bfpaule (talkcontribs) 16:01, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:55, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Clarification clarity

I would appreciate it if you put a strikethrough through your recent comment on my talk page. I did not remove the speedy tag on that article, another editor did. I put a hangon template on the page, realized that another editor had removed the speedy tag, and then self-reverted myself. Thanks, DigitalC (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Done, sorry about that...--kelapstick (talk) 01:28, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

International Federation of Sports Chiropractic

I've declined the speedy deletion request, as this version is substantially different from the deleted version, and the issues raised in the AfD appear to have been dealt with. Hence, this does not meet the criteria for speedy deletion.

I would also like to comment on your edit summary when you re-added the tag: the tag was not removed by the article creator[12]. Please ensure you check the diffs to make sure you know who removed the tag before assuming it was the creator. (Yes, I know the creator edited the article, but that was with a hangon tag, first adding[13], then reverting the addition of the hangon tag[14]).

Regards, Stwalkerstertalk ] 01:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, thread above pointed out my error (similar usernames, still my fault), I manually readded the tag, didn't revert. Thanks again. Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 01:38, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

honorific title

i'm sorry that. won't do it again. lol.. promise.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Affieq (talkcontribs) 14:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)


I'm leaving Wikipedia forever and I just wanted to say goodbye to a fellow editor who I wish all the best for in their future pursuits on this encyclopedia.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 05:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


Have a great time! Thanks for the note. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

If you get stuck in LA let me know and we'll hang out. Otherwise, happy travels! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Will do. kelapstick (talk) 02:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Welcome home. I hope you had a good time giving thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


...for the revert on my user page. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 23:01, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

And thanks again for the latest revert. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 22:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
And yet again. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 20:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I'll give you a week to get this archived. I can see this fellow coming back tomorrow and leaving a few remarks for me. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 18:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


Do you use Flcikr? Or Yahoo? Daniel Christensen (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

For reverting vandalism in my user guestbook...

Sweet, thanks, I love cookies...Did you know that Chocolate chip cookies are younger than John McCain? If Bongo would get to expansion that little tid bit would be on the main page...--kelapstick (talk) 20:54, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

This time for my talk page...

Thanks again!--kelapstick (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Cap lamp

Cap lamp picture No 1
Cap lamp picture No 2
Cap lamp picture No 3

Holidays are over, I'm back at work and here is the promised cap lamp pictures. Not ideal but all I've got for now, I will continue searching. Calistemon (talk) 10:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice, I hope you had a good time out, I like the pictures. Is #2 a manway? That would go good in Raise (mining).--kelapstick (talk) 15:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether thats the same as a manway, but no 2 is an emergency egress, an escapeway. In this particular mine, Wiluna, it also functions as the return airway for the UG ventilation. Calistemon (talk) 10:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Fair use of another site

Appreciate the change for the FICS page... can you do the same for the World Federation site as well? Drsjpdc (talk) 16:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

 Done--kelapstick (talk) 18:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Human disguise

I've created a new article about this subject. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

And it's not controversial at all.--kelapstick (talk) 20:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I've created disguise now too (per itsmejudith). Will it all fit in one article? Who's to say! What are you up to? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:54, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been somewhat distracted, on all fronts. Seattle was nice, but the drive back was rainy. I haven't been up to much here, except deletion discussions (and not many at that). Thinking about going back to Maui, or maybe Catalina Island, or Disney World, or Disneyland. I've got a bunch of air miles burning a hole in my pocket, but I am not sure what do do with them. I like the beach, so maybe that will work into it. It's too bad LAX is so far from the cruise terminal...There are some sweet deals.--kelapstick (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
San Diego is warmer than here and has cruises. Just sayin'. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmmmm, I am intrigued...There is a connection, but I think the harbour is closer to the airport. I will have to look into it.--kelapstick (talk) 21:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks like human Disguise was not meant to be...Sad. --kelapstick (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been longing to go on the 7-day Royal Caribbean cruise to Mexico. It's ultra cheap as a CA resident (like $600 bucks or so). But nobody wants to go with me. :) Maybe I need a disguise? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:41, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
If you like 70 degrees and sunny everyday, go to San Diego. Been there twice extremely beautiful especially with the beach and Coronado Island.--Giants27(c|s) 19:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
We did Carlsbad (including LegoLand) last year and loved it. Maybe the Panama Canal? I did that about 15 years ago.--kelapstick (talk) 21:07, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Also CoM, you should go on the cruise by yourself, I have a friend who used to do that all the time, great place to meet the ladies...--kelapstick (talk) 21:40, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

←"The ladies"? Very shady young man! There's a discussion involving you on my talk page. Oh and I meant to tell you there's a Frontline (U.S. TV series) special on Billings, Montana about its distinction as a former copper producing mecca. Going solo? Maybe if you go too! ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:12, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that it would be a bad idea to leave the missus in Nevada whilst I am sailing around western Mexico. I am still torn between a return to Maui and the Panama Canal, I guess we will see how the stock market treats me in the next couple months...--kelapstick (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Hmmmm... I thought it was on Frontline. But I can't find it. And it seems it's about Butte, Montana. I guess I was prospecting? It's a good thing I'm not writing up the sum of all human knowlege with this kind of misinformation...
Here's a link about the show [15]. At least I think that's the show that I was talking about...
I can't go back to yesterday on Tivo to see when and where it was on. Which is interesting in a way, philosophically speaking. Perhaps we can only record what's happening and warp that time into the future, but not backward? or something? Of course your fam was included in my cruise plans! The more the merrier! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I've added the movie to my recording list. I will report back on my findings. Is there anything you want to apologize or atone for before I find out about the corporate tactics and history of your copper mining company amigos in Montana? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The four day cruises go to Santa Catalina and Ensenada. They used to have a Royal Caribbean one that went to San Diego too, but I don't think it goes there any more so you have to go with Carnival which I don't think is quite as nice. Also, those places may not be super warm in winter. I'm still in on the 7-day to Cabo san Lucas, Puerto Vallarta and Mazatlan if you're treating. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Is there somewhere within these pages a list of what the text of edit summaries should be? MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Never mind. You inadvertantly sent me on a quest and I found Help:Edit summary. Thanks for the good cheer. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 19:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Human suit recreated as Human disguise

This is a notice to all who participated in the recent AfD of Human suit, here, that resulted in a consensus for delete. This article has been recreated as "Human disguise", and has been nominated for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human disguise. Thank you. Verbal chat 21:08, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I have been following it, will comment.--kelapstick (talk) 21:11, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


Hey, I've been messing with this, hope you don't mind. I really think you should include the winners in the table, whenever known. This is making me hungry. Drmies (talk) 00:45, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Work it up and nom it for DYK already. There's no bacon about it anyway. That's a whole different subject! ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks doc, feel free to add them if you like, I might be tied up for a lot of today so I don't won't have much time to expand, there was a part in the mainspace article about competitive eating, might be worth a look.--kelapstick (talk) 15:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the appreciation, I've learned a lot from participating in this one about the importance of the Original Research policy.--Milowent (talk) 02:53, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Great Copper Mountain

FYI. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice.--kelapstick (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Critical judgment needed

It appears to me that the Iron Man (statue) is not really the third tallest. The figure is only 36 feet, while the sculpture is 81-85 feet (depending on which source you believe). Looking at the other statues, they seem much larger. Should the base be included in the measurements??? And if you use meters it's even smaller! Have a good weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

HMMMMM, so the statue takes into account the pedestal? The Statue of Liberty doesn't on that list, not sure what the answer is, a better picture would help, that showed the whole context of the monument.--kelapstick (talk) 20:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
this shows a little more of the base, hard to say if it should be included in the height. A question for Wikipedia:WikiProject Statues--kelapstick (talk) 20:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't think it's proper to include the base. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:09, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Have you posted the question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts as to what the standard is, be it the all in height or just the figure at the top of it. I am inclined to agree with you, but I have limited experience in measuring statues, and even less in statutes.--kelapstick (talk) 21:12, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I posted the question. --kelapstick (talk) 21:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I replied to your posting of my questions with some suggestions on where to look for answers. Ahahahahaha. Sorry. I couldn't help myself. It seemed funny to me. :) And I think my suggestions are good ones! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The Resilient Barnstar

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I am proud to award you this barnstar for your continued work improving Human disguise. Such efforts greatly improve the project. Good job! Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:36, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Woot....Thanks MQS, much appreciated.--kelapstick (talk) 21:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Well deserved. I have had praying mantis(es?) in my garden and this bit is very helpful for our readers [17]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Likewise, one can never be too careful when dealing with seductive bugs.kelapstick (talk) 05:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Halloween!

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Photograph of my Halloween-themed Hush Puppies plush basset hounds in my bedroom.

As Halloween is my favorite holiday, I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Halloween! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! Unfortunately the family is sick, so we won't be heading into Carson City for the Nevada Day parade. But trick or treating in on like Donkey Kong! kelapstick (talk) 16:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the vandalism revert on my user page. It's much appreciated. :) Timmeh 21:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Human disguise

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  • I've tried to help you by adding an immediate clincher to the article: the Kdaptists. Look it up man, they're cool as hell! Drmies (talk) 04:27, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
    Isn't that supposed to be spelled Kelapstick? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
that is why I was on the keep side, it is autobiographical. kelapstick (talk) 05:16, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
We have a major problem! Editors have been expanding the article and making it more scholarly. It's almost unreadable and needs Simpsons cultural references ASAP. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:54, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
There is talk of a featured article in the future.--kelapstick (talk) 20:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
There goes the neighborhood. Hey, have you had a chance to see the video I posted for you yet regarding P.C.s? Also, in honor of the Doughnut Drive, which I'm sure you and Doc are just getting into now, can I have my bacon beacon reshaped into a ring? It's a little too close to looking like a bacon Star of David or some sort of Aryan Nation or anarchist symbol for my comfort. Making an anti-establishment statement of that sort might fly at reformatory school, but here in the civilized and free world I would like us to be more about unity and bringing people together. I think the 2009 Holiday season and the start of 2010 should be less about misogyny and Doc's other article interests, and more about comfort food and fusion cuisine. I have nothing against parallel strips which would also be okay. And I think there should be a vegan version for those keeping vegetarian, halal, and kosher. And since Doc foisted the non-bacon containing bacon salt product line on us, I can't see how we can object on principle without looking like hypocrites. The good news is, I'm thinking about firing up the bacon mania 2010 strip for the future event soon. I think there are synergies with the doughnut festival... ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:39, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
What are you talking about? The Star of David has six points, the bacon barnstar has 5, not even the same ballpark, not even the same sport! Also I don't think a Star of David can be made out of bacon based on Religious restrictions on the consumption of pork. Still busy around here, and not looking to quiet down, drilling started Monday day and I may have to go to Vancouver within the next couple of weeks.--kelapstick (talk) 23:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

You again...

...I might have guessed. Thanks once again. Thought I would start a new section rather than mess up the other one. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 04:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

It finally got archived!--kelapstick (talk) 16:45, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Copper mining in Afghanistan

This is interesting [18]. Is there an article on the mine? Mining in Afghanistan? Copper mining in Afghanistan? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:25, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, first, it isn't a mine. It's a bunch of land, but there may be a mine there someday. That isn't to say there couldn't be an article, we have a few about properties in that stage of development, an this is certainly a notable case. I am interested about the mention of Phelps Dodge bidding, since they don't exist anymore, might be why they lost ;) that is one place that I would not want to do buisness, I have delt with Chinese state owned mining companies before (not that one), it can be "interesting".kelapstick (talk) 06:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey I've been using the Control-F function. It is terrific. Once again you have demonstrated how wonderful and awesome the power of the almighty computer truly is. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:33, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice photos. Excellent work. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:11, 8 November 2009 (UTC) I think Stargazy pie would make a good bacon dish for your next outing. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Your gluttinous cooking inspired me and I'm happy to announce that you've been selected as an official chairperson for the Doughnut Drive 2009 event. We're fortunate to have someone so skilled and expert on this subject area. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

It's an honour, but I don't think I will have the time to devote myself to such a worthy cause, but I will assist where I can. On another note, I made gluten free chili today, with moose instead of beef, it was good, trying to get the two year old to try it, not so much. kelapstick (talk) 04:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Isn't chili always gluten free? I was wondering where Bullwinkle went off to... ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Kidney beans and spices can be iffy, you have to check the labels. kelapstick (talk) 14:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)


Hey Kelapstick, thank you for your attention to detail on that. When I opened the edit window, I also had several other tabs open, and when I saved my edit - I didn't realize that there had been some "pissing contest" on the close of that AfD. To be honest, if you think my "comment" (not my !vote, but the comment about the changes to the policy template) belong on the talk page - I have no problem with them being moved, although it's relevant to the conversation directly above; so if you do decide to move it, it's likely better to move all the comments. Either way, I'm not interested in dick measuring, so I'll not fuss about it either way - OH MY, that's a redlink. We better not let CoM know about that, or else we'll end up in another circular event like the one we're in now .. LOL. Thanks again for putting my comment back. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a redlink anymore. Drmies (talk) 17:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Penis envy is an article, so you could maybe merge it there, if there's not too much to fit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:11, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Dick measuring is closer a concept to pissing contest than penis envy. --kelapstick (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
You want to make a bet tough guy? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:05, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
  • |1 | | | |2 | | | |3 | | | |4 | | | |5 | | | |6 ... let me know when I can stop. ;) — Ched :  ?  07:37, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Can you repost it vertically? I'm having a tough time measuring horizontally. I'm finding it a bit awkward to position myself against my monitor at that angle. Also, I need a much much much much much longer ruler. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if I should laugh or cry. Why can't I just ignore it? The idea of a bacon addict with his wiener up against a screen? Only in LA... Drmies (talk) 17:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
On a much more serious note, there is no article on meatfest (it was speedy deleted if you can believe it!). But sausage fest and sausage party are both helpfully redirected. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:55, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks 2

thanks for the rick roll image thing. I wasen't shure if it was free images or not, so thanks for clarifying me on that, I'll deleate it immeatily. regards--Orangesodakid 00:27, 12 November 2009 (UTC)



K, how did you get to be this clever? Drmies (talk) 17:06, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I use templates on my userpage too, they are pretty easy, I also made one for the bacon barnstar, and the mining barnstar. They are quite handy, did you check the link that when you click the star?--kelapstick (talk) 17:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh! I'm flattered! And how cool! BTW, the baby is on her fourth round of antibiotics--this time it's the horse medication (as the Dutch call it) and for the first time in six weeks we had a decent night's sleep. Phew. Those ear infections are brutal. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
See the update to the Cabal page? Drmies (talk) 17:29, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Sweet, glad to hear the little one is starting to come around; we had a visitor at 3:00 am night before last, and all he wanted to do was party...Have you not take pictures of your chicken fried experiences?--kelapstick (talk) 17:31, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but they were no better than the pictures already in the article. Maybe I'll upload one or two just to make the point...but it's kind of a waste of bandwidth. Ha, party! Yes, those nightly visitors. It's always disconcerting to wake up at 3 or 4 and find someone sitting one your face! But the hugging involved in child rearing makes up for a lot. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

What what?

What's with this premature archiving? Bird droppings? Or you didn't want Drmies to read what we wrote about his affinity for darkness...? :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Meh...--kelapstick (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Our local newspaper reported on the closure of two post offices due to a "mysterious white powder". Fortunately it was only fish batter mix, however the newspaper waited until the sixth paragraph to tell the reader it was nothing serious, further to that, the newspaper reported that there were no injuries or medical conditions. Well I am glad the fish batter was neutralized before it infected someone...--kelapstick (talk) 19:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I know you are very busy plundering and what-not, but I think it's very important that you have a look at this [20]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
We actually lost power and the town caught on fire (well outside of town), so I was off the grid yesterday. Quite the wind storm, I had to rescue my Jeep from a 45 gallon drum that was rolling across the parking lot.--kelapstick (talk) 02:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
It's the Wild West out there in Nevada. I hope you've managed to clear most of the dust and tumbleweed. Although you might hav gotten blown away again today by the dominant performance put on in another impressive Dallas Cowboys victory? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:48, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Maybe I should reconsider that trip to Nevada next summer...--Giants27(Contribs|WP:CFL) 02:49, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Nevada, in the summer? Really? Where, Vegas is HOT in July/August, like 110, and feels worse with the asphalt. But the casinos have great air conditioner systems, so just dart in and out as you are walking the strip (I have been twice in the summer), I recommend the Flamingo or Mandalay Bay, as they have the best pools, although we haven't stayed Mandalay Bay yet, they even have a wave pool and lazy river, their Shark Reef Aquarium is pretty cool though. We aren't as hot here, although when the California wild fires start, we can get smoked out. Did you know that California's two largest exports to Nevada are smoke and bad drivers? Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 16:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Prom Night in Mississippi

Updated DYK query On November 21, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Prom Night in Mississippi, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
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Here's a gift.....

A while ago you were speaking toward your sig being boring.

How's this: KELAP STICK

Or this....  KE LAP STICK

If you like it, you can go to your preferences page and cut and paste this into your signature section...

For the first sample:

'''[[User:Kelapstick|<sup><font color="green">KELAP</font></small>]]''' '''[[User talk:Kelapstick|<font color="blue">STICK</font color>]]''' For the second sample:

<font style="color:#FFF8E7;background:#333399"> '''KE''' </font><font style="background:#E6E6FA">'''[[User:Kelapstick|LAP]]'''</font><font color="red">[[User_talk:Kelapstick| STICK]]</font color>

And experiment by changing the font color to different colors... Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. CHILD of MIDNIGHT
Very nice! Ol' collapsed tick made sure to let me know the moment my own sig reverted becasue I had hit a wrong button in my preferences (since fixed), and then bemoaned how boring his was. Its time for him to bring his sig to life! Schmidt MICHAEL Q. 02:44, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks all, they look good, but I enjoy my boring signature, changing to a lowercase K is about as adventurous as I get.--kelapstick (talk) 16:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Messina Hof

I have reviewed your contributions to this article, which you made in July of this year. In my opinion it was an advertisement then, as was the recent multiply-deleted version. I feel that it is better left deleted. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 12:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Messina Hof

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Looks like an interesting article. :) I remember it now. I think it had photos at one point. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Apparently the most controversial winery on Wikipedia...--kelapstick (talk) 22:10, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Kelapstick

For correcting my silly error on Rapid Transit, I stared & stared at it it but could not see the missing bracket! Cheers --Mapmark (talk) 07:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem, happens to me all the time. Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving!

I just wanted to wish those Wikipedians who have been nice enough to give me a barnstar or smile at me, supportive enough to agree with me, etc., a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 19:26, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Where's the bacon? I hope the new fridge is looking good. Did it come with a deep fryer? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
The fridge is the exact same model as we had, appears a little bigger though. No deep fryer, but has water and ice.--kelapstick (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Some good fotoball games today, up until this blowout against Nevada. Let's get it together up there! ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:51, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually you guys got back in the game and made it respectable. So it was a good performace in tough conditions all things considered. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:36, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I didn't catch any football over the Thanksgiving weekend (how unAmerican of me), and I had to work on the Friday... But there is hope, there is an all-you-can-eat Maine lobster buffet in Boomtown, hopefully I make it out there this weekend, I'll be at a convention at The Nugget the next two days...which means I will be eating well.--kelapstick (talk) 00:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Tatws Pum Munud

It's what's for dinner? Also, this was pointed out to me Great Dunmow. Might be of interest to you and your wife. I'd mention it to Drmies, but I want to be the best friend possible in encouraging his healthy dieting. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Country Question

Hello K-stick. Me, CoM and co have been preparing for the Bacon Challenge 2010 and I was just wondering (you are originally from Canada but live in the United States) whether you would like to be identified as Canadian or American for the event.--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 01:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

See here: [21]--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 01:39, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Put me down as Nova Scotian. I'm not form there, but I like it there, an they have a cool flag. kelapstick (talk) 04:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Have you started anything for the Bacon Challenge already? Report it [[22]] to get your first points. I'll fill in the points table section later once several reports have been made. --Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 18:33, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Great News!!!

Bacon materializer

Unable to resist bacon's temptations, rogue editors have kicked off the Bacon Challenge 2010 before the New Year even starts! This is a fun and collegial event and all are welcome. There are many non-pork articles for editors who enjoy some sizzle, but object to or don't like messing with pig products. This year's event includes a Bacon WikiCup 2010 for those who may want to keep score and enjoy engaging in friendly competition. Given the critical importance of this subject matter, I know you will want to participate, so remember to sign up today and get started A.S.A.P. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which [23]. Do you think they realize it's just ham they're getting? ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:18, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Please tell me you are joking...--kelapstick (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

User:Theleftorium/Brændende kærlighed And to think, some editors suggested there were no bacon articles left to write! Meanwhile Drmies is skirting the rules with all sorts of John Doe Bacon articles. Do you think an RfC on his behavior would be useful? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:00, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

yak bak

You have a message from the Lady at User_talk:Drmies#Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:53, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

--Sky Attacker the legend reborn... 02:57, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Nanisivik Naval Facility

A map of the Trans-Siberian Railway (one of a few Siberian railways), also it doesn't look like there is a whole lot north of 70 degrees latitude that would require rail access...

I left my encouragement to move Nanisivik Naval Facility to article space at CBW's talk page.

I thought I would leave you a couple of notes here. File:Ccgc des grosileurs moored at Nanisivik.jpg is a {{fairuse}} image. They need a fair use rationale for every page where they are used. I added a fair use rationale for Nanisivik Naval Facility.

We aren't supposed to use {{fairuse}} images in user: space.

The other thing I will mention is just a personal preference thing. Some people like refs with a single field per line. Others like to put all the fields on a single line. I prefer the former. I see it as more readable, easier to find, and easier to fix, when broken. But I (generally) resist the temptation to reformat other people's references -- because it erodes the usefulness of the built-in editors "Show changes" button. When someone else comes along and clicks on it, it makes references that haven't really been changed, look like they have changed. It imposes an unnecessary cognitive burden on other contributors, who have to think hard to determine whether anything has really changed.

There may be a manual of style or other wikidocument that addresses this issue -- but if so I am unaware of it.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

WRT to northern mining I started an article about an iron mine in Baffin Island, when I came across a reference to it in a railroad magazine -- it described the 150(?) km railroad the mine will need as the most northern in the world. (I am skeptical about that.) Geo Swan (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated, didn't realize it was fair use...d'oh, my bad. I won't include it in the new article, as it really only shows a boat near where the facility will be, not really justifiable in my opinion...When you use the reftools gadget, it automatically formats the references as all in line (although those were not done using the reftool, I just changed them.) I am impartial as to format, but tend to use references in line as I use reftools as a rule. Do you mean the railroad would be the most northern, or the mine would. Polaris mine was the northern most mine in the world until it closed with Nanisivik being the second northern most...I could believe that a railroad up that far would be the northern most, but it depends on what they have in Siberia I suppose. There should be a map of railroads by country here somewhere, might be an idea to have a look around. I once found a railway spike in the mill at the Nanisivik Mine, no idea how it got there.--kelapstick (talk) 23:16, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
I probably should have actually read the comment (and understood it) before I removed it (well it would have had to have been removed until it was moved into mainspace), if you think it is a good idea to include it when it goes live, feel free. I thought you had added the rationale for keeping it in Nanisivik, Nunavut.--kelapstick (talk) 23:25, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
and where is the iron mine article? I wanted to take a look at it...I recall reading something about it at some time.--kelapstick (talk) 23:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Several decades ago one of my room-mates at University didn't believe me that Finland was allied with Germany during WW2. I went and did some homework to prove my point. I found something surprising. Pre-ww2 Finland had a narrow corridor to the Barent's Sea. There was a Finnish port at the very tip of this corridor, with a railway to an inland (nickel(?)) mine. IIRC a Canadian firm was the main investor. Post-ww2 the Soviet Union was allowed to keep the corridor. Geo Swan (talk) 02:40, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It took me a few minutes to find it. I couldn't remember the name... Baffinland Iron Mine.
I figured the image was useful -- as a "before". There was a discussion as to its usefulness. Geo Swan (talk) 02:58, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
Looks good to me. I added the coordinates and something else. We have had a lot of windy foggy weather wind chills down to -50. It's 2:30 and I'm just getting ready to go to work in blowing snow at -28. Bah! Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 09:20, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
It's live...also judging by the map on the Baffinland mine, it looks like the mine is further north than any point in Finland, or at least very close. If they had to rail it to the Nanisivik port (as you would need a deep water port to ship an iron-based product, Nanisivik would likely be the closest and most logical choice), that would certainly be the northern most railway in the world.--kelapstick (talk) 16:54, 14 December 2009 (UTC)