User talk:Kerry Raymond

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Sisters of St. Joseph of the Sacred Heart[edit]

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Merry Christmas and happy new year[edit]

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Rockhampton North by-election in October of 1901[edit]

Greetings Kerry, we haven't chatted for a while!! Looking at List of Queensland state by-elections, did the North Rockhampton seat have a by-election in October or was the previous by-election held in June just over-ruled on by the courts in October? I can't find anything for a by-election in October?

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australia/The 5000 Challenge[edit]

Hi, could really use your support on this. I'm sure we can arrange something to benefit Queensland at the same time.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:27, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

lets face it[edit]

we are going to wake up one morning and find the whole of the queensland set of articles about brisbane or queensland railway items has been reconfigured by that sock. relentless, energetic and a sock farm as big as trumps fortune. I strongly suggest that if some articles get regularly re-visited at all they get protected. the ocd must be strong as the telltale signs are not disguised much. JarrahTree 00:20, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

we have georgists even now in the wonderful western oz, they are a very interesting mob, what do you need to know about them? JarrahTree 00:25, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm seeing Georgist popping up in the lede of various Wikipedia articles like Andrew Fisher and Alfred Deakin when I cannot find this said about them elsewhere in their articles, in newspapers during in their lifetimes or ADB entries etc. So I am wondering if this is POV-pushing. It certainly looks like "lede spamming". Kerry (talk) 00:41, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Revert on the spot if you see it - no WP:RS to substantiate - go for it! JarrahTree 00:47, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks from Jzsj[edit]

Thanks for the help with editing box.Jzsj (talk) 05:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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John Brewer Cameron[edit]

Hi Kerry, I know it would be a lot of work, but have you considered producing an article on Cameron and his Qld/NSW border survey project using the info in each of the related articles (Cameron Corner Survey Marker, Zero Obelisk, and Cameron's 1 Ton Survey Post) which could then each be substantially reduced in size? Downsize43 (talk) 01:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

This is a good idea, but probably not immediately. I am currently doing items 1 and 2 of User:Kerry Raymond#What now? because my immediate goal is about getting the articles on the heritage sites done. Doing articles like John Brewer Cameron is the sort of thing that comes under item 4 (extracting other content from the Qld Heritage Register). Because I'm working with around 1700 articles, I have a big spreadsheet that I use to manage what work has been done and still needs doing to which articles). I'll add John Brewer Cameron as an explicit item into the spreadsheet, so his article will happen eventually. Kerry (talk) 01:23, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

@Downsize43: Kerry (talk) 01:35, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Downsize43 (talk) 10:07, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 December 2016[edit]

Cairncross Dockyard[edit]

Hi Kerry, I'm not sure if it's heritage listed, but if it is the Cairncross Dockyard - and especially its dry dock - might be a good topic for an article drawing on the CC heritage sources you're familiar with. The dry dock was built in a screaming hurry during the Second World War, and would have to be among the most significant sites relating to the war in Brisbane as it was used to repair large numbers of warships and merchant vessels. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 07:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

@Nick-D: I actually have already written about it as part of another article Hamilton Reach#Cairncross Dockyard largely based on info in the Engineering Heritage Program, but unfortunately that is all copyright material, so I just wrote a short summary and provided the citation to their much larger document. It could be pulled out of that article into a freestanding article, but it might leave both Hamilton Reach and the new Cairncross Dock both a little light on content individually. I didn't turn up a lot of sources at the time on the dock, so it might not pass GNG (despite being the 2nd largest dry dock in the country). I just did a quick look for any new sources and found that the site is about to be sold off for residential development. It's not clear what happens to the dry dock itself in such a development, turned into a very large swimming pool or a small marina, perhaps? Kerry (talk) 09:41, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Kerry. Would you have any objection to me spinning this out to a separate article? I'm sure I've seen enough about the dock during the war and as a significant part of the history of various ships to remove any doubts over notability, and having it as a separate article would help with linking, etc (for instance, its where what the Australian Army ship Crusader (AV 2767) ended up as went for regular maintenance while being operated by the Queensland Cement and Lime Company). A quick search in Trove turns up quite a few useful-looking references ([1]), the the "civil" volumes of the official history of the second world war should provide coverage as well. Nick-D (talk) 09:49, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
No problem at all. And thanks for adding that ship info to the Queensland Cement and Lime Company article to bulk it out a bit more. Kerry (talk) 09:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Kerry - I'll do the split tomorrow. Nick-D (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Alexander Mayes[edit]

Hi Kerry. I see you expanded the article on Alexander Mayes. I don't know if you can help with this, but seeing as he had a son of the same name, do you think Alexander Mayes (cricketer) could be him? He was born in Toowoomba in 1901, so the dates/places would fit. Thanks. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 14:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

@Lugnuts:, good catch! I checked the Queensland birth index. There is only one Alexander Mayes born in Queensland in 1901 and he is Alexander Dunbar Aitken Mayes, son of Alexander Mayes and Helena Agnes Grieve born on 24 July 1901, so this is definitely the son of Alexander Mayes. I cannot tell from birth index where the birth occurred but it is a "C" (country) registration meaning outside of Brisbane. But Alexander Mayes (cricketer) is listed as having a birthdate of 24 May 1901 born in Toowoomba, but there is no birth registration that fits this. So I am thinking "huh?", however when I check the citations for the cricketer, his details fully match the birth I found (full name and born 24 July 1901) - the mistake is in the cricketer's article. I'll fix it up and make the connection between them. Kerry (talk) 01:10, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Ahh, apologies for my typo on the DOB! Thanks for fixing and thanks for the great expansion work. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 09:13, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For turning the article on Alexander Mayes (cricketer) from a LugStub into a half-decent article. Thanks again! Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 09:14, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

@Lugnuts and AustralianRupert: Thanks too to User:AustralianRupert for expanding the military and cricket sections. We started with a NSW cricketer and ended up discovering he had a full rich interesting life. There are so many untold stories out there and a somewhat unlikely collaboration between the three of us unearthed this one. I think we hit a six! Kerry (talk) 12:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

No worries, thanks to you both. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 00:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Weipa Town Authority[edit]

Hi Kerry, I wonder if this is something you might be able to add to your long list. There is an article for the locality Weipa, Queensland, but none for it's LGA (Weipa Town Authority). The Local government areas of Queensland list links to the locality article. For completeness I think an article on the LGA, however brief, is required. Do you agree?

Thanks again for your assistance with the removal of red links from Moonie Highway. John. Downsize43 (talk) 01:27, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@Downsize43:. Good catch! I'll have a go at it soon-ish. It's a strange one actually, it's the LGA that isn't an LGA but rather it is the company Comalco. You know how it is in Queensland, open a mine and they give you an LGA :-) Kerry (talk) 09:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
@Downsize43: I've created Weipa Town (to be consistent with other Queensland LGAs, the primary topic is the local government area with the council as a redirect, so Weipa Town Authority is a redirect). It doesn't have an LGA map; I'm not sure who produced the maps for all the other LGAs, but in a way it doesn't matter because it's tiny and its boundaries would like like a dot on a map of Queensland anyway. Kerry (talk) 03:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks muchly. Downsize43 (talk) 08:48, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 January 2017[edit]


At James O'Quinn, there's this sentence - "His first assignment was tun an academy in Dublin" - what's that supposed to be? I'd fix it' myself but I'm not sure. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:16, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. "to run" :-) I'll fix it. Kerry (talk) 09:17, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Thought so, just didn't want to fix it if it was wrong. Thanks. The Drover's Wife (talk) 09:31, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

The discussion you posted in on the AWNB has shifted over to the manual of style page here if you're interested in sharing your 2c again - might get ignored back there. The Drover's Wife (talk) 00:23, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much for fixing the talk page! The Drover's Wife (talk) 01:54, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


I have very good fortune to have access to full range hard copies of WA GG, the amount of WA GG would take more than a machine and money to digitise, the sheer volume of GG for any state is well beyond any efficiency dividend managed/oriented library/archive facility/world that we currently live in JarrahTree 06:41, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm not so sure. The Qld GG is available at places like the State Library and State Archives as hard copy (I assume this is true in all states). The QGG has been digitised at Text Queensland since inception to 1900. There are digitisations on CD-ROM at SLQ to 1919 and I believe there is microfiche/film versions of all the paper versions, which is the first step for digitisation. I take your point though that the size of each year's QGG increases with every passing year so the effort becames greater for the later years. Against that, the Qld Govt reduced the information required to be published in the gazette over time (presumably because of the printing costs) or created separate publications like the "blue books" for public service appointments. So, here in Queensland, digitisation is slowly happening, regardless of the efficiency dividend. Wikipedia was launched in 2001, Trove in 2009. Who among us would have predicted the success of either of these back in 2000? What might be possible in the next 10 years? I live in hope anyway. Kerry (talk) 00:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Disasters me thinks. Some government departments in most states of Australia have gone paper free - so as of 2015 + = the possibility of massive loss of archival data is very high, and there will be in all probability no paper backup JarrahTree 00:49, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, the QGG is entirely online for the past few years. But the Qld State Archives still has a mandate to preserve significant born-digital data which is relatively straightforward for a periodic publication like the QGG but rather more challenging for live-updated databases (have to take snapshots or create a transaction log as series of diffs). And the Pandora project should pick up significant non-Govt websites. The librarians/archivists are definitely doing things in this space, but it is a big challenge for so-called "deep web" content and the danger is that the technology evolves either without a way to archive or too rapidly for the archivists to keep pace. So you are quite right that some born-digital things will be (or have already been) lost. But then we have also lost Qld historical records in fires and floods so no one format alone is perfect (more is better). Kerry (talk) 01:08, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Ahh, the answer to part of the issue is politicians and government department heads who have nothing between the sunglass covered ears, who seem to have some blind faith (sorry jack bruce, eric clapton) in the capacity of the IT people to con them that everything is in order - in the era of my ganddaughter (if she gets to the ages her maternal line get to) will know more about the world before the 2000s and nothing after, ever as the lack of backup and hard copy will simply be waiting for the perfect storm JarrahTree 01:21, 24 January 2017 (UTC)


Can I fix this for you? Best, Elitre (WMF) (talk) 08:23, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. I've fixed it now. I was surprised though to learn there was a newsletter, which I discovered only because I did a WMF survey that asked me to tick boxes if I was subscribed to various things including the VE newsletter, so I did the "huh, what VE newsletter?" and went looking. It was of course trivial to find once I knew it existed. But, tell me, how do I subscribe if I can't use the source editor? Like the VE feedback page, it astounds me that you cannot use the VE to edit these pages. I notice on the VE Feedback we are seeing VE users starting to ask the question "why am I a second class citizen?"(the inability to respond to an admin nomination). Kerry (talk) 00:23, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 February 2017[edit]