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A-class review[edit]

I would really appreciate your comments on my A-class review request for Charles Scott. Scott was a veteran of three wars, including the Northwest Indian War, and my experience tells me that your comments on that particular period of military history are first-rate. Thanks in advance. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Charles Scott[edit]

Just a note to let you know that Charles Scott (governor), an article you reviewed for MILHIST A-class status, has now been nominated for FA status. Your comments on this nomination would be appreciated. Thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:39, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I will check it out. —Kevin Myers 15:42, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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Gaspée Affair[edit]

Don't know if you're interested, but the naming of the article (which you originated) has come into question. I don't really have an opinion, but I had reverted changes in the text from "Gaspée" to "Gaspee" because it was inconsistent with the title. Tom (North Shoreman) (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't really care either. If someone has the time and inclination to settle the issue, it seems like it would be easy to do a review of the reliable sources to determine which version gets more usage. —Kevin Myers 18:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Joseph Desha and the Northwest Indian War[edit]

I am trying to expand the article on Kentucky governor Joseph Desha. I have found several sources that mention his service in conflicts with the Indians, starting when he was 15-year-old boy in Tennessee (approximately 1783) on through his formal service in the Northwest Indian War. I can find very little in the way of details, however. I know that two of his brothers were killed in Indian skirmishes, that he served under then-Lieutenant William Henry Harrison beginning in 1794 in "Mad" Anthony Wayne's campaign against the Indians, and that he participated in the Battle of Fallen Timbers, although I don't know in what capacity. It may be that he was of such low rank at this point in his career than there is nothing else notable about his service, but I wondered if you had run across his name in any of your studies of that period or if you knew of any good resources that would give additional details. Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 17:16, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't recall running into his name in those conflicts, but I will look around to see if I find anything. Good luck with the article. —Kevin Myers 18:55, 10 July 2012 (UTC)



I am currently in the process of working the article Thomas S. Hinde to GA or FA status and in the process choose to use a photograph you posed in 2005 with Tecumseh and William Henry Harrison. One of the peer reviewers recommended that I ask to see if you could complete the Information template. If you have a chance I would greatly appreciate your help, and if you have time I would welcome any comments or suggestions on Thomas S. Hinde.


No problem, I will fill out the info for the image. Good luck with the article. —Kevin Myers 18:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at Cheers! Ocaasi t | c 17:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Military history coordinator election[edit]

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Hugh Waddell and Fort Dobbs[edit]

Just wanted to thank you for spurring us to action re: Hugh Waddell (general), which I expanded recently. I also created Fort Dobbs (North Carolina), a related article. I'm attempting to secure DYK's for both at the present. Thanks again, and I really enjoy your articles and edits!Cdtew (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Happy to help out in a small way, and good luck with the articles. —Kevin Myers 02:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
Things have certainly progressed since December; I don't know if this is the sort of thing you do, but I would love your feedback over at the FA Review going on right now. If you don't get involved on the reviewing side of FAC, I understand, but would still value any feedback you have, as I respect your work in colonial/revolutionary/early American Wiki articles! Cdtew (talk) 15:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Re-classification request[edit]

Kevin, since your review of Talk:James Hogun, I have added two sources with cites thereto, and have expanded the article. I believe the general lack of sources was what probably prevented you from awarding it B-Class; if so, I would ask that you re-evaluate now that I have added to it; if there was more wrong with it, let me know and I will try and ameliorate. Thanks! Cdtew (talk) 22:15, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, looks like a "B" to me now. —Kevin Myers 02:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Not sure what happened with that sentence. Distracted editing, almost as bad as distracted driving... Cdtew (talk) 02:41, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for James Hogun[edit]

Kevin, thanks for your invaluable input at Template:Did you know nominations/James Hogun. I've changed it around, and added an Alt1, if you're interested in taking a look. Thanks again for your help! Cdtew (talk) 15:36, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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John Hanson Edits[edit]

Hello Kevin

I am brand-new to working with Wikipedia, and am trying to figure this all out. It's like learning another language!!

I'm guessing you undid all the edits because each one needs a source? Please help, I'm not sure what to do next. I have sources for them but don't want to put them in until I understand how to do it right.

Linda Lindwald (talk) 23:09, 8 March 2013 (UTC)Lindwald, 18:08, 8 March 2013

Hello Linda, welcome to Wikipedia! Yes, learning Wikipedia can be daunting. A lot of trial and error is involved, to be sure.
I'm glad you are as interested in John Hanson as much as I am. Unfortunately, the source you used, Peter Michael's Remembering John Hanson, cannot be used as a source on Wikipedia because it is a self-published book. Per WP:SELFPUBLISH, such sources are not suitable for use on Wikipedia because these days anyone can get anything published, and we need to have a reasonable standard for determining what is reliable and what is not. Our guideline is called identifying reliable sources. For historical claims, we can only cite sources that have been "vetted by the scholarly community", which generally means "academic and peer-reviewed publications". Unless the scholarly community takes notice of Peter Michael's book, we can take no notice of it on Wikipedia. But don't hold your breath: his portrayal of Hanson's role in the Revolution has long been regarded by academic historians as fringe history and is unlikely to gain any traction with scholars.
If you have any questions, I'm always here to help as best as I can. Cheers! —Kevin Myers 05:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi Kevin! Thanks for your cheerful answer, its much appreciated. Just to get started I'm adding a few non-Michael cited references, but am still now sure how they will go over. I will wait for your feedback before going along too far. Lindwald (talk) 13:44, 11 March 2013 (UTC) lindwald, 09:44 a.m., 11 march 2013

Hello Kevin,

Additional verification of source for citation of named individual as President of Congress Assembled has been added. Feedback would be appreciated.

Lindwald (talk) 17:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)lindwald 13:32 17 March 2013

Map of Pontiac's Rebellion 1763[edit]

Excellent map, beautifully done. You didn't miss a thing. Hattrick (talk) 06:35, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! —Kevin Myers 15:35, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

indigenous cat name probs[edit]

Hi Kevin, been a long time since we've traded notes. Foolhardy as I am, I decided to try and get rid of the diacriticals on the Sto:lo and St'at'imc and Nuxalk categories, and the responses in the CfRs I started are all very consterning and miss the point entirely. I think you were around NorthAmNative/IPNA when we debated all these cat names and their import a long time ago; I remember you as a voice of reason in general; see the May 3 and May 4 CFD noticeboards for all those I launched. The inane responses are in at least one case coming from someone who just likes to argue, I think.....would appreciate it if you'd have a look. This all, or partly all, came about from User:Kwami's unilateral change of people and language articles to their most common English usage, and now people want to apply those to cat names even though they're unworkable as such; I'm p'd because these things were done by speedies, but take exhaustive CfRs and RMs to try to correct. The CfR titles vary but they include Squamish, Nuxalk, St'at'imc, Sto:lo and Cree categories.......and the wrong result may wind up serving as a precedent for more bad cat moves.....mistakes get done by speedy, it seems, their corrections get thrown into the mudpit where people who don't even work with the articles the cats are for start fielding new usages, and ignoring existence conventions (kinda spitefully, I might add) pontificate on what they think is right....without knowing the subject matter or understanding the terminology. I came back to write articles and try to make some existing problems fixed; and wind up spending whole days on time-consuming correcting procedures made my people using speedy changes that were ill-advised and undiscussed, and facing off with people who don't care what was discussed and IMO are just around CfDs to be contrary and kibbitz. No wonder people quit Wikipedia.....I may do so again, because of this.....Skookum1 (talk) 03:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Phaedriel is much-missed.....someone knowledgeable about aboriginal sensitivities and terminologies who also knows how to soothe contrarian beasts. Not saying that's you, just knowing that her or someone like her is much needed around IPNA these days.....Skookum1 (talk) 03:48, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
I feel your pain! My time available for Wikipedia is limited these days and it can be disheartening to spend it cleaning up unnecessary messes. I wish I had more time to help. Good luck! —Kevin Myers 07:50, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
All the RMs to revert the ethno articles to their endonym forms have been successful.....I'll let you know when and if the guidelines are sandboxed; these have taken up so much valuable wiki-time on nonsense it's a complete WP:CFWT (complete fucking waste of time). See the closure notice on the RM at Talk:St'at'imc.Skookum1 (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Independence bummer[edit]

Wow. Just saw that tag there and that Rjensen, a real historian also, was warring for his version (with mistakes). Man, what a hassle. Thought you had been energized and so awful to see that it is another Wiki-squabble over the same land. Sigh.TCO (talk) 02:21, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for that. Because my time available for Wikipedia is limited, I must choose my battles carefully. These days I often let ill-informed editors have their way simply because I don't have the time to do otherwise. Informed editors are hard-to-find, undervalued, and a joy to encounter. Cheers! —Kevin Myers 08:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Question re: Daniel Boone painting[edit]

Hello Kevin, I am working on a project through my college to write an e-text book for fourth grade history. I saw that you submitted the The Abduction of Daniel Boone's Daughter by the Indians 1853 painting. I am interested in seeing if we can get rights to use that painting. Do you know who owns the rights and how to contact them or someone else to gain those rights? Thanks! AaMartin2 (talk)

(Moved to this spot by me from User main page) Cdtew (talk) 18:43, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the maintenance Cdtew. I'll reply on AaMartin's talk page. Cheers! —Kevin Myers 00:36, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

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Please review Siege of Dunlap's Station[edit]

I spent the past few days developing this page, which is the first one like this I have attempted. I tried a few other minor jobs earlier and one was quickly deleted as I grossly violated copyright; hopefully I have learned from that. As I have received zero comments, I am hoping 'no news is good news.' I happened across a talk page that suggested you were the expert, and had first suggested the topic. I am a family historian and my 5GGPa was Martin "Burgett" who signed the request for troops, and was killed a year later. I am not a historian. I am assuming that his involvement would not be significant enough for inclusion. I hope to develop this in my current WeRelate sandbox and Blogspot. I would like for you to at least spend 5 minutes reading the Siege page here, and say it's OK, or not. Comments, corrections and suggestions would be great. Thanks in advance. Bill (talk) 17:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy that you're working on this and will help when I can. I will take a look at it when I have some time. At first glance, you'll need an introductory paragraph summing up what the article is about. "The siege of Dunlap's Station took place on such a date during the Nortwest Indian War.... It came about because.... The result was ...." See WP:Lede. —Kevin Myers 20:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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Colonial Currency[edit]

Hi Kevin-

When you have a chance, could you take a look at this table. I decided not to make the face and reverse one image since some of the notes were at different horizontal/vertical orientation (that's why some of the face images appear smaller than they actually are). The bottom half (Continental) is just the template for a table. It's in rough form, really just a table and some loose images to be worked in, but I'm curious if you have any thoughts on this so far. Thanks-Godot13 (talk) 00:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


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American Indian war
Thank you for quality articles on the American Revolutionary War such as Pontiac's Rebellion, likely the first featured article about an American Indian war, and Lochry's Defeat, a "battle so little known your history professor has probably never heard of it", for reviewing and "amazing detective work", for images of memorial monuments, for your motivation: "To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child."- you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Sorry for the tardy reply. —Kevin Myers 04:28, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
A year ago, you were the 843rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again and best wishes. —Kevin Myers 22:12, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
Two years ago, you were recipient no. 843 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Three years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

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John Hanson[edit]

Thanks for your help on Wikipedia. Since my edits were reverted, do you have any suggestions on how the correct information can be placed into the article? The article follows the trend to ignore the historical record, rather than state the facts of his presidency. Revzack (talk) 13:06, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

We can only use information from reliable sources in Wikipedia articles. The "facts" you inserted are long-discredited myths from amateur historians. There are no important, documented facts from Hanson's presidency that are not currently in the article. Best regards! —Kevin Myers 07:01, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

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Up for a little historical research?[edit]

Kevin, are you aware of any detailed resources which could help solidify the fact involving what bird species was Black Hawk named after? Since the Hawks natural range is much farther south of St. Laurence river and Northern Illinois locations where Sac tribes existed back then. Sparrow hawks are too small and not Black. And Black Sparrow hawks are only native to Africa. Its the American Crow species which fits description and natural range best, as today people in Midwest still(Like myself before research) mistakenly call Crows, Black Hawks or big black birds. Here is link to Blackhawk(Sauk leader)talk page containing more details. Look on bottom under Comments, "Name origin/translation" heading. Thanks Kevin, for your outstanding accumulating Wikipedia contributions. As NE Illinois tree historian, and one of America's most knowledgeable, intensely involved presently with the modern day Extinction of Fraxinus caused by Emerald Ash Borer, I could not even hope to correctly and patiently research an answer to this important question about said subject. And it looks like you would know that very someone who would.CHICAGOCONCERTMAN (talk) 01:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Interesting question. Replied at Talk:Black Hawk (Sauk leader)#Name origin. Thanks! —Kevin Myers 07:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

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Cuyler's defeat listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Cuyler's defeat. Since you had some involvement with the Cuyler's defeat redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:18, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Crawford expedition[edit]

Hey Kevin, just noticed this article has not been on the main page. Was looking it over and noticed the inline referencing was a little light compared to how articles are inlined these days. Not sure if you still have the sources but would be great if you could give this a once-over, fill in some refs and see if anything else needs brushing up...cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Cas. I had forgotten that the article had never been on the main page. I believe I still have access to most of the sources. I'll dig them out when I get some time, especially if there's some chance the article might have its day in the sun at some point. Thanks! —Kevin Myers 06:59, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
I think there is a really good chance we'll get it on as it's different subject matter to a lot of other stuff. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:44, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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Whiskey Rebellion[edit] up for a GA review. I nominated it, but I am not an expert in Western Pennsylvania or national history topics. Of course you have no obligation to participate, but since are (were) a significant contributor, I thought I would let you know. Best Regards,

Barbara (WVS) (talk) 21:05, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Whiskey Rebellion[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 22 February 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Whiskey Rebellion, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that only two men who participated in the Whiskey Rebellion were convicted of treason, but were later pardoned by President George Washington? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Whiskey Rebellion. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Whiskey Rebellion), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

March Madness 2017[edit]

G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:

  • tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
  • updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
  • creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

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The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)