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Seems you've found my talk page.
Feel free to leave comments, questions, musings, and messages of most any sort.
If you feel you have something to add/interject to existing or ongoing entries that's 'ok' by me as well.

--Kevjonesin (talk) 16:20, 27 April 2013 (UTC)


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Post new entries below preceding ones, please.[edit]

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--Kevjonesin (talk) 04:20, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

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NewAmerican.com[edit]

I hope I'm not offending your beliefs, but the John Birch Society publication shouldn't be used for such factual statements. In virtually every case where they may be correct there will be a better source. Like the flashing star on the hat! Dougweller (talk) 10:57, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

By all means, if you have a better source at hand which covers the same info, feel free to insert it as a replacement and remove the 'The New American' reference. I'll confess I was unaware of the publication's John Birch Society association. However, the content of the specific article appears sound regardless of the possibility of 'tin-foil hats' elsewhere. Suggestion: Dougweller, as it's you who has chosen to object to the source (but not presumably the content), perhaps it might be apropos for you to take on the task of finding a replacement. Cheers! --Kevjonesin (talk) 12:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I spent some time searching and when I found probably the best source realised it was already in that paragraph. I've added it to the first sentence also, but Philip S. Foner covers the entire history. Dougweller (talk) 12:35, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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I am involved[edit]

To explain and answer you question see this RfC -- PBS (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Notepad ++ system[edit]

Hi. I'm glad to see someone eventually noticed that page. :) To compare the Notepad++ syntax I posted with the WikEd software, you're going to find that WikEd comes out ahead in most regards. This is because it's a browser plugin, using the power of your browser to drive previewing and linking. The offering in my userspace is -for now, at least- nothing but a set of rules for syntax highlighting in an existing code-oriented text editor. The two big advantages my system offers is that it enables off-line editing, and saving drafts to your computer, as it uses a piece of standalone software (Notepad++) as it's base. The WikEd system runs in your browser, requires internet connectivity to work, and doesn't allow you to save.

If you're looking for the most powerful editing system, WikEd is going to be your choice. However, if you prefer to be able to work offline and save your drafts locally, Notepad++ with the language extension I created will serve you well. Note that a lot of the features on my page are potential future features, not current features. Right now, it only does syntax highlighting, although I've worked it so that this also accounts for some of the basic formatting (bold text appears bold, links are bold and colored, headings are larger and a different font, etc). However, there's nothing stopping you from using both. I do. I hope that answers your questions, and if you have any more just let me know. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 12:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

MjolnirPants, Thanks for responding (to link). Led me to snoop around a bit. Found Wikipedia:Text editor support. You may want to link to your stuff there. Noticed highlight code for vim there. Wonder if anyone is working on similar for (GUI based) *nix editors like gedit and geany? --Kevjonesin (talk) 14:30, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
No problem at all. I've updated the list, not only with my page, but with an external link to a full plugin for editing mediawiki (I just discovered this, and I'm going to download and test it soon, to see if I can incorporate my syntax highlighting into it). MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 15:26, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the recent heads up about a merge discussion[edit]

Patrol[edit]

I was notified, probably as creator of the page, that you'd 'patrolled' BlueMountain Capital. Seeing no trace on the page history or Talk there I'm guessing nothing too wrong was found and finding no result for wiki:patrol I was left wondering about the process, if you'd care to enlighten. Thanks. Swliv (talk) 20:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

  • @Swliv: Ha! Hi, Funny enough I recall having once been the one asking someone pretty much the same question ... and ironically I just (minutes ago on another's talk page edit mode hatnote of all places) discovered that it's so common there's even a template for answering it: {{subst:Whydidyoudothat}} ... which renders as a new section titled "Explaining" ...

Explaining[edit]

I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all. Kevjonesin (talk) 21:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Swliv 'Patrol' discussion continued[edit]

  • p.s.— There seems to be some unnecessary obscurity. Or maybe not enough obscurity ... Does it really serve any purpose to notify folks? Other than leading to questions like you've asked here, has anything actionable or substantially informative been conveyed? Personally, I'd go for skipping the personal notifications and having a publicly viewable automated note dropped into the relevant page's edit history instead. --Kevjonesin (talk) 21:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for doing the patrol work, the explaining and the reflection. I was lazy; if I'd gone to Wikipedia:Patrol or WP:Patrol instead of my 'wiki' link-try above I'd have probably found the 'new pages' intro. I agree that an auto-note to the edit history would be a good addition. I don't mind the notification to the article creator -- as it happened it was just fleeting and not easily traceable. (Somehow I got here.) All's probably pretty much fine as is; I like to poke around/learn-test the ways. Thanks again. Swliv (talk) 15:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

ECESR[edit]

[Kev Note: Discussion continued from User_talk:DragonflySixtyseven#ECESR_deletion --Kevjonesin (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)]

The article as it was did not make any assertions of notability aside from "it exists". It had been around nearly a month, plenty of time for someone to expand it. Just as I could have added a deletion tag to it and left it for another admin, you could have added an "major edits in progress" tag.

Also, if it was — as you said — "copy/pasted from an About page with rough English", then that's copyvio and it has to be deleted. You're more than welcome to write a fresh article about it, though. I look forward to reading it. DS (talk) 21:19, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

  • @DragonflySixtyseven: As to ECESR, FWIW, my comments on your page weren't intended to imply you did anything wrong or violated any 'WikiLaws' or such. I was hoping to court empathy, not necessarily to drop chastisement. Regarding "that's copyvio and it has to be deleted", perhaps the offending text might have been replaced rather than the whole article removed ... as shown in the screenshot I linked in my initial message on your page. In retrospect ('hindsight's 20/20' and all that), it seems there might have been room for a bit more finesse. And in the future, please give some consideration to the 'turn signals' idea as a good faith courtesy.
I was unaware of a "major edits in progress" tag. It sounds useful though, so glad I broached the subject. An opportunity for me to apply "turn signals" on my part. What's the template? ({{major edits in progress}} doesn't render)
On the template topic ... if you glance up at the preceding few comments (here on my talk page) you'll see I found the {{subst:whydidyoudothat}} template I found on your talk page handy. Timely. Thanks.
--Kevjonesin (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

p.s.— Is there anyway to get the edit history and such from the deleted Ecesr page? If I start it fresh under ECESR I'd like to notify previous editors and check for links and such. ... Or perhaps it might be easier to simply restore the previous stub with its associated records and let me continue from where I left off? --Kevjonesin (talk) 22:29, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, that's template:Inuse. And I'll check. DS (talk) 22:31, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay, let's see. Edits by: user:Mostafty, plus two other users who added a references tag (although the only reference provided is ECESR's own site) and an 'uncategorized' tag. So we can ignore that. And Mostafty's five edits were: creating the content that you already had, adding the reference to ECESR's own site, moving the reference around, adding boldface, and adding more boldface. Just start from scratch, okay? DS (talk) 22:42, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

'kay --Kevjonesin (talk) 01:36, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
@DragonflySixtyseven: The seedling has been planted (i.e. ECESR). Care to patrol it? --Kevjonesin (talk) 19:06, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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User name curiosity[edit]

Thanks for patrolling, and thanks for asking! My username is the first track on Norwegian black metal band Dimmu Borgir's 2nd album, Stormblåst. It translates to "All light has faded away." <> Alt lys er svunnet hen (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

The Sugar Hill Suite[edit]

[Regards User talk:DISEman#Oops? --Kevjonesin (talk) 02:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)]

Check now (thanks for looking) DISEman (talk) 02:27, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring[edit]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by MdCriminalAttorney (talkcontribs) 04:55, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Tit-for-tat, copy/paste (via [1]). Classy. User:MdCriminalAttorney, in the future please don't sign my name to your entries as you did above. --Kevjonesin (talk) 05:20, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I wanted to give you due credit for the text. This edit warning certainly applies to your conduct as well. It would not have been me to appropriate to just switch your name for mine. I would not want to be accused of plagiarism.

I feel you are trying to bully me into consenting to your referring to pending cases in an article about a principal of law, which is completely inappropriate. Looking at the page edit history, it has been a long line of you battling with other editors in order to advance your goal of connecting the Freddie Gray case to the depraved heart article. Why can't you just wait for the case to conclude before putting this stuff in? I am not defending the officer's conduct in this case, but they are cloaked with a presumption of innocence until a conviction, as every person charges with a crime is. If the officers plead guilty to a lesser charge, were convicted of only lesser charges, or acquitted, were you planning on going back and undoing these links/edits yourself? Because at that point, the links/edits would be factually incorrect. If someone is convicted of 2nd degree murder, there will eventually be an appellate opinion discussing the facts and law of the case. You could then write a whole article about that opinion.MdCriminalAttorney (talk) 06:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

  • @MdCriminalAttorney: I feel you side-stepped an on going discussion amongst multiple editors, plunging in like a new religion. And may be overindulging in imagining motivations for me beyond what I've stated. Note that while I've argued against removal of all traces of the Gray case I've also argued against inclusion beyond a brief mention and eventually as a practical matter have conceded that now that there is another case example in the 'Well-known cases' section it's probably best to leave the Gray case out of the main body of the article. However, I'm frustrated by your failure to grasp that 'See also' links do not act as references for an article. They serve a different purpose. Hence they have a section separate from those of 'Notes' and 'References'. 'External links' are also judged under different criteria and have their own section and are not seen as somehow backwards citing the body of the article. They are different things.


As to your copy/paste entry above, the original characters I placed on your talk page were:

{{subst:uw-3rr|Depraved-heart murder|This warning has been placed in regards to your recent 'See also' section wikilink removals. --~~~~}}

... the 'magic of the wiki' did the rest. If, as suggested, you decide take some more time to better familiarize yourself with the medium and the culture of Wikipedia you'll likely pick up a few 'spells' yourself. To start you off here's the grimoire page relevant to my example above: Template:Uw-3rr.
Oh, and please restore the citation you removed without explanation.[2] It links to information directly relevant to the content of the Wiki article. That the linked Vox article also touches upon the Gray case in addition to content explicitly explaining the subject 'depraved-heart murder' is no reason to exorcise it. You've accused me of being on some sort of crusade on behalf of the Freddie Gray case, might not a third-party get the impression at this point that you yourself are on some sort of crusade to white-wash away any trace of it?
Alas, conflict seems to lead to polarization which seems to lead ... to ... ? My feet are certainly made of clay, and frustration with process doesn't always leave me at my best. Good night, MdCriminalAttorney. Perhaps we can find a path to some sort of inclusive consensus at another time. --Kevjonesin (talk) 07:17, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Stop the bloody nonsense?[edit]

It would be appreciated if you do - Cwobeel (talk) 13:56, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

'Ditto'.[3][4]
User:Cwobeel, I do not trust you. Please do not post anymore to my talk page unless explicitly invited—by me—to do so. Effective immediately. --Kevjonesin (talk)
p.s.— And do not under any circumstances refactor anymore of my entries on other talk pages without my express permission. If you wish to request such permission, do not post here, {{ping}} me from your own—or from a relevant article talk page. --Kevjonesin (talk) 22:23, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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Hi, Kev,
If you saw my latest post on the talk page there, you will see that I am throwing in the towel. If you want to pick it up from there, welcome. --Ravpapa (talk) 11:15, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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