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United States Senate[edit]

In the Senate page, you reverted the markup changes that were made. Is there any reason for that? It seemed to be a good way to decrease the bandwith.--sebmol 02:24, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • The changes made by User: looked to me to be awkward. If you see it differently, change it back. I will not revert your edit. :) Kingturtle 02:29, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Those headers on day pages really annoy me. --mav 03:53, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • i've decided to spend a few days a week removing them. it will take a while, but it'll be worth it. i find them very annoying. Kingturtle 04:20, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

14 Jan Detroit revert[edit]

I disagree with the revert you made to Detroit, Michigan yesterday (14 January). I asked for opinions on Talk:Detroit, and would greatly value your input. foobaz· 08:23, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)


I'd like you to consider removing page protection after reviewing the discussion there. I feel it is possible to move forward and complete the article with the range of contributors.

Stirling Newberry 17:14, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

More Surrealism[edit]

Could you review the talk page? I am RFCing both Boyer and 24. because there is simply no way to work on this article with both of them treating it as a personal web page, and their constant attacks and rants. In addition, Boyer is making edits to other articles based on his intent to promote his own work, including attacks on known scholars etc.My own POV is that both should be banned permanently, as their contributions, such as they are, are far outweighed by the problems the create. Stirling Newberry 19:15, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Purge in the main page[edit]

After your removal of the word purge from the news section, I looked up the web to find different connotations (or are they denotations?) of the word. I would like to point you to this and purge. -- Sundar 08:32, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

  • I fully understand that. however, in an international news listing, the word tends to drum up Stalin's Great Purge notion. that's why i changed it. Kingturtle 01:22, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The left sock of vampires?[edit]

I did a google search. It appears the nonsense with the left sock of vampires isn't nonsense (or nor more nonsense than the rest of vampire myths). Poor is probably a legit newbie wondering why the addition isn't allowed. Revert your revert? -- A D Monroe III 02:43, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Arthur Miller[edit]

There's a WORLD of difference between the Miller article and a stub. Even assuming that your "rationale" that because we don't allow stubs we shouldn't allow "sloppy" articles was legitimate (which, I don't believe it is), you have not explained WHY the Miller article is sloppy. What needs cleanup? I've removed the cleanup tag from the article, as no one has given any reason for it being there. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:29, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

  • THIS is the version i put the cleanup notice on. it was in serious need of cleaning up - and not the sort of article we want to show off to someone who happens upon wikipedia. since that edit, Lukobe and Hajor did some marvelous copyediting, and now the article is something worth seeing. Kingturtle 02:41, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)


Hello, Im a friend of Karl (grazingshipIV) he talks about you a lot so i figured i'd say hi.--SPOC 03:05, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Deletions on day pages[edit]

Hi there,

Is there some sort of guideline which people should be included in Wikipedia, but not on the day pages?

I feel it would be preferable if you would just expand the short summaries a bit. --05 20:57, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Policy re: day-of-the-year articles?[edit]

is there somewhere in wikipedia a written set of guidelines about what and not what to include on the individual day-of-the-year articles? or are we just using gut instinct to discern what should and shouldn't be there? Kingturtle 22:02, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Deletion on Vomiting[edit]

Please do not simply delete material that you may not like. Please engage in the discussion page your views and concerns. Regardless, a link styled with a caution has been placed on the page which should be acceptable; however, this is an ilistrated work, and one should expect to see a photo of vomiting when going to an article on vomiting Glen Larson

Thank you![edit]

Just a quick "thank you" for voting me for admin. Now all I've got to do is find out how to use these worrying new powers... Grutness|hello? Grutness.jpg 06:13, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Amanda Coogan[edit]

I don't understand your copyedit of this article, you removed the place of birth and

"Coogan utilizes video and photographs in her live perfomance."

is not true, she produces video and photographs from her live performances, not the same. Why remove the Irish Times quote? Notjim 22:40, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I paraphrased the quote because I couldn't tell what the quote was from. It said "In (Aidan Dunne 2005)". If you can re-write it with the correct syntax, i support you doing so. Kingturtle 01:04, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You have now changed it to "Coogan she produces video and photographs from her live performances." What was wrong with the reference (Aidan Dunne 2005) refered to an article in the reference list using what I understand to be the house style. Why remove her place of birth?Notjim 10:41, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
like i said, (Aidan Dunne 2005) is confusing. i've not seen that syntax used in wikipedia. if you know what it is supposed to mean, then make the appropriate fixes, but use standard wikipedia syntax. Kingturtle 18:03, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
From Wikipedia:Cite your sources:
In addition to listing a reference at the end, you may choose to embed a pointer to a particular reference within the article text. To do this, cite references parenthetically as "(Author-Last-Name, Year)". Use the original publication year for a re-published work. If the cited information is not easy to find with just that information (for example, it's a poorly indexed topic in a large book), add chapters ("chap. 3") or pages ("p. 15" or "pp. 12–23") after the year (separating the two with a comma). When a reference is used as a noun, put the year in parentheses, e.g. "Milton (1653) says..." For two authors, use (Author1 & Author2, year); for more authors, use (Author1 et al., Year).
So I was almost right, it should have been (Dunne 2005).
Also it seems wrong to just delete information as you did in this case.Notjim 19:46, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't think that syntax is appropriate in this case. let me give it a shot as to what i think it should look like - if you disagree, please change it. Kingturtle 21:57, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Ok I agree with this, thanks a million for you help. Notjim 23:02, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

article on Jimmy Carter[edit]

I was wondering why you took out the line mentioning Carter's sister Gloria. While she is probably not as news worthy as his other sister or his brother, one line doesn't seem unreasonable, and I thought it looks sort of funny listing only two of his siblings.

Best regards, Morris 18:25, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)

  • I switched it back. it was written by an anonymous user, and the claim seemed far-fetched, so i thought it was vandalism. Kingturtle 21:52, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Congrats on the wired article[edit]

Stirling Newberry 23:05, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Oh thanks! i was wondering when it was going to be out. i have to go read it now! is it on the website? is it on news stands now? cheers, Kingturtle 23:15, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, it's out. I too would like to add my congratulations. →Raul654 19:06, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

Selected Anniversaries[edit]

Hello, Kingturtle. Thank you for cleaning up my "mess" at Selected Anniversaries on back to back days. I should've been more careful with things on the Main Page ..... Thanks, again. :-) -- PFHLai 01:47, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)

  • aw geez. don't worry about it. you didn't make a mess. i just touched things up a little :) Kingturtle 03:12, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)


I'm puzzled by your edit in Housatonic River. The kind of phrasing is fairly standard in the river articles. Just wondering. -- Decumanus 08:41, 2005 Feb 18 (UTC)

  • From what I understand, in the case of a river, rise as a noun means place of origin, while rise as a verb means to increase in size, volume, or level. But I may be wrong. And although the weather service occassionally uses "extreme western" to describe the area, it is not common. I am not opposed to reverting my changes, though. Kingturtle 22:01, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Kurdish timeline article[edit]

Its rather excessive theire isnt much happening regarding the compunity, I am merging it with the actual article. Most items there are portions of news articles which belongs to wiki news. I moved and merged all items to the existing artile and linked the thing togeter for you :P --Cool Cat| My Talk 07:34, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Provinces of Afghanistan[edit]

thanks for maybe having a look there. Tobias Conradi 20:51, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Need your help and/or advice. The British Wikipedian Republican Party sought fit to delete Wikinfo:Classical definition of republic from Wikipedia. There is a terrible brouhaha at Talk:Republic. They won't even allow an external link! SimonP really doesn't know what he is doing. They deleted the Classical definition of republic and created mixed government and politeia instead. The official title of mixed government is a Republic and the Romans translated "politiea" as Republic. And then to top it off the new article Classical republicanism doesn't refer to the Classical republics of Crete, Sparta, Solonic Athens, or Rome but to Machiavelli's ideology. How can that be when Venice in the 13th century instituted a mixed government and called herself a "Republic".

With Jwrosenwieg and Kim Bruning there was a tacit agreement a year ago to have republic be the modern meaning and a [Classical definition of republic] to describe the ancient republics of Hellas and Rome and their influence. To say the least the "Republic section" is all messed up. We need some clarification. I have new information but User:Snowspinner won't let me bring this back up for undelete. (I do grant that a little bit of the Classical definition is original but the rest is not.) I will not let Sparta be called anything but a republic! I will not let the British wikipedian modern republicans strip Sparta, (my heritage and roots) of her rightful name. She is a Classical republic and needs to be called such! At the least, where is the damage in having an external link?WHEELER 15:11, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

About RickK, me, and user blocking[edit]

Note: Please read this carefully and thoroughly, as this is important.

RickK, one of the admins, blocked my former accounts "User:Hil Duff" and "User:Hil Duff star". He didn't give any reason why and totally ignored my comments on my talk page just because he thinks my user name would be something like imposting or vandalizing. I wanted to discuss things over with him, but he just deleted my account immediately without reason. I just want to be a happy Wikipedian here.

I AM NOT A VANDAL, and I won't be Hilary Duff, just Cool Cat886. I won't tell anybody that I am famous or a pop star. I just want to contribute in peace here, and YOU CAN BLOCK ME ONLY IF YOU SEE ME VANDALIZING OR ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING BAD, BECAUSE I DIDN'T. Would you support me and be my good friend, or should I just get blocked for eternity because I didn't do anything? Cool Cat886 07:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Terri Timeline[edit]

Hello, it was agreed in Terri Shiavo talk page to keep the timeline for atleast one week. can we revert the "timeline move" action? --Oblivious 00:26, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)


On John F. Kennedy, you removed mention that he was "the last Democratic President elected from the North", stating in the edit summary "nixon was born in california - reagan was born in illinois, ghw was born in massachusetts; gw bush was born in connecticut". That seems unrelated, somehow. Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes were Republicans, not Democrats. And California is not the North. Not saying that the factoid is so noteworthy it should remain, but it isn't wrong... - Nunh-huh 21:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • oh yeah. good point. i seem to have missed the part about "Democrat"! Kingturtle 00:40, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn[edit]

{{Vote about move|The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn}} violet/riga (t) 19:20, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Boogie Down blocked[edit]

I have blocked Boogie Down for repeat vandalism. FearÉIREANN 20:55, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

GET A LIFE![edit]

How many times are you going to re-edit my additions? I have ALL night, sucker. You are a pathetic human being. You need to get a life and stop policing Wikipedia, you nazi loser!

Rv on Nineteen Eight-Four[edit]

A previous revision by an anonymous user (with no history of vandalism) ([1]) included a paragraph about the Big Brother Awards, which was then reverted by you. I'm not saying you were wrong to do so, but I wanted to know your reasons. --Alexs letterbox 23:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(My message retracted)--AI 01:57, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Do U Smoke Crack??[edit]

My revisions to the George W Bush an Big Foot pages were da shit. And you deleted them. Queer.

AI misused stubs :([edit]

I also want to know the reasons you, Kingturtle, have reverted my input on 2 articles last week. You left no explanation, but simply slashed ALL my work. The articles were on 2 CIA agents: Sidney Gottlieb and Allen Welsh Dulles.--AI 10:02, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • AI, you had added stub-notices to a great number of articles that didn't call for stub-notices. in the process of reverting over 20 articles to which you added stub-notices, it appears that i accidentally reverted two articles that you made more changes that just adding stub-notices. Kingturtle 10:30, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • Kingturtle, I got messages from several people about my misuse of stubs. Sorry for the hassles I created.--AI 01:54, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

New article[edit]

I've just added the article List of lifetime MLB hit leaders through history, and I'd be interested in your opinion. MisfitToys 01:40, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

  • I felt that there was no reason to add "inspired by 1984" in that spot. I felt that information was already aparent. Kingturtle 23:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Regarding my message about 'spelling', sorry, and I take it back.AI 10:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What do you know about Submarines?[edit]

Since you have never served on a fast-attack submarine (as I have)...your dismissal of my post as vandalism is totalitarian and uninformed. There was nothing inaccurate in that post. If you don't believe that the US Navy takes their subs out for days at a time (at $300K per day each) just to clean them, you obviously have no right for your baseless censorship.

Until you have served on USS Topeka (SSN-754), you have no basis for your arbitrary deletions. You think I'm lying about Field Days or Spruce or impressing Congressmen? Pull your head out of your stupid fucking high school history teacher ass and acknowledge that you are not the god-know-all.

Vandalism rollbacks[edit]

Could you be a bit more careful in your use of rollbacks? When you reverted User:'s vandalism to Submarine, you left the prior section blanking by User: in place, and the edit summary makes it look like all the vandalism had been cleaned up. Thanks. --Carnildo 01:50, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Sorry, i didn't see the error. thanks! Kingturtle 07:29, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I rather hope the same thing happened at Rape; while the quote that User: kept trying to add really didn't add anything substantial and new to the article, it would have been a non-harmful change, unlike the changes just before that from User:, who keeps trying to remove referenced information on the occurrence of false accusations. -- Antaeus Feldspar 00:30, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Prince William[edit]

Thanks for fixing that change in style for the previous Princess of Wales at the beginning of the Prince William page. I hadn't noticed when that crept in. I do want to point out that news commentators and other "talking heads" frequently suggest (often indelicately) that the Prince of Wales should step aside for his eldest son. It's a lot of hot air, but it does happen. -Acjelen 05:01, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I appreciate you vote of support for my adimnship nomination, thanks --nixie 06:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my nomination for administrator. —wwoods 05:18, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Beaverton schools[edit]

Other Words for Vomiting[edit]

I noticed that you deleted the section in the vomiting article called "Other Words for Vomiting." Why? I'd like a good reason, and don't say "Wikipedia is not a thesaurus." That's not a reason. There are articles all over the site like that. You can write to me at User talk:Wolfj. (I'm not logged in right now.

The lengthy list of synonyms i removed was based on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, which states that Wikipedia is "not an indiscriminate collection of items of information." Wikipedia is not a thesaurus, but Wiktionary is. Consider making your thesaurus entries onto Wiktionary, and then providing a link to it on the Vomiting article. Kingturtle 20:34, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Pokemon Test[edit]

I left a more elaborate response over at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland) for you to read, but to illustrate what I mean, visit any of these dozen articles: Machop, Machop, Machoke, Machamp, Bellsprout, Tentacool, Tentacruel, Geodude, Graveler, Ponyta, Rapidash, Slowpoke, or Slowbro. There are dozens more just like those. My position is not that these should be deleted (they shouldn't), but that school articles are easily verifiable, expandable, useful and yes, totally encyclopedic. That last word, "encyclopedic", seems to be a huge matter of contention amongst deletionists— it's really too bad they can't find something more productive to focus their time and energy on. From the looks of it, one side believes that are encyclopedic, period, and another thinks that only a fraction of one percent are. Unfortunately I don't think a policy discussion will help matters, because it doesn't look like there is a whole lot of middle ground here. *sigh* —RaD Man (talk) 03:08, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) Monkey[edit]

Yeah, I thought for sure that the ".com" part wasn't in the name, then I went and double checked. I think I'm gong to be very very ill..... - UtherSRG 05:57, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

Sockpuppet Alert[edit]

It the same person from yesterday, the Oliver North sockpuppet, he will be back probley under another several s/n so i would keep a look out, he is pretty easy to id. --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 07:34, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)


In noticed that you'd blocked this account twice, first for 24 hours, and then indefinitely; I'm pretty sure that the expiration of the first block will override the second, so you might need to wait a while and do it afain. I've had the same problem before, and I'm currently waiting until tomorrow in order to indefinitely block User:Specterthearlen (notice the connection?). Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:18, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Civil War map[edit]

Thanks for your comments. That map was something I knew had to be made. I also learned a lot of county names. :) brian0918™ 04:09, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Although I really like the image, I didn't really think it would have a chance on FPC, but I like the publicity! brian0918™

School Deletion Debate[edit]

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I'm not sure how much use I'll be since it seems that the tide of wikipedian opinion has shifted in our favor in the half-year or so since the first debate, but I will contribute my comment.--Quintucket 03:30, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • Just for the record, I am on neither side of the debate. I just want a policy decided either way. Kingturtle 07:10, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reverted my RV?"[edit]

On Joseph McCarthy you undid my RV and returned the article to the vandalized state. The vandal not only added obscenity during his edits but also cut and pasted large parts of the article into individual sections. When my edit history showed me removing what looked like legitimate parts of the article, it's because I was undoing what the vandal did.

Please be more careful in the future and make sure that not only you are removing an act of vandalism (which you didn't), and that the version of the article that you are reverting to is not itself vandalized (which it was). 22:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Regarding my RfA[edit]

Hello Kingturtle. This to tell you that I was promoted to admin today. I would like to thank you for the time you took to consider my RfA. As a result of the concerns you voiced about my capacity to become admin, I promise to proceed with extreme caution when using my new privileges. Phils 20:03, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your problem with the copyvio template[edit]

Thanks for raising your problems on IRC. I checked and sent an email about the problem on Wikitech-L. Brion Vibber came right back with an answer. It is a known and pretty serious bug which will take some time to fix. [2]. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 23:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cat Stevens[edit]

All I did was remove an apostrophe and an extra 's' after Stevens. Nothing more. My comment was about the fact that the article was no longer under Cat Stevens which is how this person is best known. Wikipedia goes with the better known names. End of story. MPLX/MH 04:45, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Please see Talk:Rape#Protection. Thanks,

Sam Spade 17:50, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the bureaucrat nomination, but for the next two or three months at least, I won't be able to spare the extra time due to a time consuming work contract, jimfbleak 05:12, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re:Are you interested in being a Bureaucrat?[edit]

sure...if nominated, I will accept. There is nothing more pleasing than getting a fancy title and having some more janitorial duties thrown on me. if selected, i will monitor the page as needed.--Jiang 06:41, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I should be the one apologizing for wasting your time with this failed nomination. I failed to realize the number of people I had inflamed in that Liancourt Rocks/Dokdo incident.

I will be withdrawing this nomination. Thank you for considering and supporting me. --Jiang 06:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

April 16[edit]

Could you please explain your recent removal in the section Deaths on April 16? It just looks a bit odd, silently deleting items without explanation. Bye, Shinobu 06:47, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I didn't silently delete them. I stated in my edit summary I was deleting them. Their Wikipedia articles are one sentence stubs, so I removed their names from the April 16 page. I was being bold. Kingturtle 15:33, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, that is an explanation. I apologize for the term "silently", but an edit summary that says "deleted this and that" is not always that helpful. Apart from that the question wasn't meant as anything more than a question. Bye, Shinobu 17:18, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please stop unilaterally deleting these people. I'm going to put them back. RickK 18:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I will not stop deleting insignificant entries that appear on days-of-the-year pages. If the names are important to you, I will not stop you from putting them back. Kingturtle 19:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

Thanks for supporting my successful RfA. I will do my best to live up to the responsibility and your trust. --khaosworks 07:07, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hello, Kingturtle. Thanks for your vote at my adminship nomination. I appreciate the support. Cheers! — Trilobite (Talk) 14:09, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thany you[edit]

Thank you very much for your offer to nominate me as a bureaucrat. I take it as a great compliment. For the time being, however, I don't think it is necessary. If there is in any way a shortage of bureaucrats I'm fine with a nomination, but I do not see that. Moreover I don't follow adminship issues too closely and I feel that while the title would be an honour I would end up doing little work to justify my new powers. - SimonP 15:37, Apr 27, 2005 (UTC)


I'm afraid I'd have to oppose Curps' nomination for bureaucratship. I was rather surprised by his use of admin powers in The Matrix, particularly unprotecting a protected article on an extremely dubious pretext, and his subsequent failure to concede error. If he disagreed with my protection of the article or feels I was at fault that's fine but he should have dealt with it differently. AndyL 15:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Kingturtle, I could probably be capable of carrying out the janitorial work of flipping the admin-flag-on switch once in a while, which bureaucratship seems to consist of in large part. But I'm not convinced that there is a shortage of bureaucrats, from the log it seems that this needs to be done only half a dozen times per week and most sysop promotions are handled by a single bureaucrat. Also, I've only been an admin for a few months now. So I don't feel that I would seek bureaucratship at this time. Thanks very much for the offer, however. -- Curps 18:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
AndyL, as always, see you at Talk:The Matrix. I have described my objections to your actions there, at considerable length. -- Curps 18:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for your be honest, though, I don't really feel all that up to being a bureaucrat right now. I've had a lot on my mind and haven't been feeling like a terribly useful Wikicontributor of late. At another time in the future, I may very well be happy to accept the nomination, but right now I just don't feel up to the level of responsibility that it entails. Bearcat 22:32, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


*Isn't the precedent set by Sunset High School (Portland) to keep high schools? Kingturtle 07:17, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid not. I could cite precedent for both keeping and deleting schools, it's nowhere near as simple. However, we're working on a compromise (consisting of 'keep' some schools and 'merge' the rest). I'd be interested in your opinion thereon. Radiant_* 07:25, Apr 28, 2005 (UTC)
    • On this particular issue, I have no solid opinion. I just want to know what the policy is, so I can follow it. Kingturtle 07:28, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for being the champion on this issue. The Expos and Nationals are the same franchise, had the Expos moved ten years ago, this debate would not be occuring. Wikipedia needs to be constitent and not have an exception when one is not warrented. However it seems that an interest group who perhaps are thinking with their hearts are probably going to win the day on this arguement, but I believe you are 100% correct on the issue.Smith03 15:52, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up[edit]

Thanks. I commented on the vfd page for Montreal Expos. I'm not sure why this is confusing for so many people. It's like my favorite team, the Brewers. They spent just a single year in Seattle as the Pilots (1969) and yet all of the Pilots records are considered Brewers records. I voted for redirect. --Woohookitty 18:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

re: Expos and Nationals[edit]

You are confusing the team with the franchise. (explained on the vfd page) I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with mashing the pages together, anyway. What's to be gained by that? How does it make Wikipedia better? - Pioneer-12 19:46, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

  • All MLB, NFL and NBA team pages already have their old location and names redirecting to the current team name. This is not by accident. Kingturtle 19:48, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • It happened for a reason, but that doesn't mean it happened for a good reason. Information wise, merging the Expos/Nationals articles is problematic. For example, that pretty infobox with the Expos stats would seem out of place on the Nationals page. In any case, rigid conformity is not something to be desired; flexibility is fundamental, and pluralism is important. Another reason not to merge is simply the will of the fans (yes, that is a significant reason).... If some people want a page, all other things being equal, Wikipedia is better off giving it to them; it just fosters goodwill. - Pioneer-12 20:29, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't see how those are useful examples. There's no discussion on either of those pages... so no idea what the Grizzlies and Hornets fans think of the move and having only one page for everything.
I can see that you are just going to go on and on forever about this. I'm still not sure why you are bothering. - Pioneer-12 08:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I am considering nominating you to become a Bureaucrat. The role would involve giving administrator or bureaucrat access to other users following consensus on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship. Although there are currently 18 bureaucrats, it may be helpful to have a few more. If you would accept a nomination, please let me know. Kingturtle 04:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK ... but if lots of paparazzi start following me around, I'll complain to you. Michael Hardy 21:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)


I weighed in, but it looks like we are in the minority. Ellsworth 21:36, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Considering, firstly, that the work at July 20 I labored on for many weeks and which stood for months unremarked upon by any Wikipedian was largely removed by you without asking for the opinion of anyone else, and, secondly, that my attempts to address the issues regarding the file size raised on the talk page were summarily reverted by you within minutes, you will forgive me for failing to believe your invitation yesterday on Talk:July 20 to comment is a serious one. PedanticallySpeaking 16:39, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

"Teflon Ron"[edit]

I'm not going to get into a "war" with you about this, but 120 Google hits on a nickname of a recent president of the United States looks to me like evidence of non-notablity. Try Googling "Slick Willy" or "Tricky Dick". -- Jmabel | Talk 05:51, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)

  • Although it is a less significant nickname, the name was popular in the 1980s. That the internet does not reflect that is not surprising - because the internet wasn't around then. Kingturtle 09:25, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)


After thinking it over for a few days, I must regretfully decline your offer. It seems that we have all the bureaucrats we need right now, and they do the job quite speedily. Not to mention that the nomination would probably turn into a public witch trial ;). Perhaps in a few months. Thanks again, and warmest regards --Neutralitytalk 14:43, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)


I do have a user name, but I don't always log on. I'm glad you appreciate my edits. 05:13, 1 May 2005 (UTC)Ksnow


I appreciate your invitation to participate in the debate, and I'm sorry I displeased you with my decision. Since we live so close to each other, perhaps we could meet for a coffee or beer or something and have an in-person discussion on the issue. If you're interested, ask gmail about my Wikipedia username. The first "coffee or beer or something" is on me :-) Vik Reykja 02:18, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

My RFA[edit]

Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Although the voting period just ended with a 14-8-2 vote, I will admit once and for all that I used it more as an evaluation of myself. Being promoted would have been a plus. I was more interested in who voted, when they voted, who would change their votes and when, and the comments I would receive. Hopefully I will correct the main weakness that was raised by those who voted oppose -- that I was too eager to put articles on VFD. Also, I will try to interact more with those Wikipedians who did not vote at all.

As for next month, I don't know if I will nominate myself again. I might not think about it until somebody else puts me up there on RFA at a later date. Eventually, I see myself as an admin, especially as the number of articles and users continues to grow. Thanks again and good luck at improving this vast archive of free knowledge. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 09:22, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Minor Edits[edit]

I do usually annotate minor edits but some things are just so trivial it doesn't seem worth the effort. I couldn't find any reference to your quoted policy of never using the minor edit flag for day articles. Lots of people don't seem to know this either? --Rjstott 09:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Wikipedia:Minor edit says that minor edit markers are for spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text. it goes on to say "any real change, even if it is a single word, is a major edit." It isn't trivial to add a name to a list of deaths. It is helpful to other users if such an edit is not marked minor, and if the edit summary says something like "added Hippolyte Fizeau to list of deaths." Kingturtle 10:37, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Satomi Mitarai[edit]

I added Satomi Mitarai's entry because her death is part of the basis of the Nevada-tan internet meme. Just wrote an article for her, since one hadn't been done before.--Mitsukai 04:58, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I've asked a few questions for clarification...see Talk:Nevada-tan. Kingturtle 05:04, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Answered them as much as I could. Hope it helps. --Mitsukai 05:07, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Poiuytman[edit]

"I'd like to see more activity - more experience with the peer groups"

Hi, I'm just asking for a bit of clarification on "peer groups". Do you mean working on various cooperative projects, or participating in various community portal tasks? I actually don't visit the portal very often; the sheer number of sections and links are daunting (IMO the page needs a bit of reorganization). I do think I need to collaborate with others more, maybe help out with peer reviews and such. I tend to come up with big goals, and due to my independent nature, I don't ask for help, and can't always finish the projects I start.

So anyway, maybe you could suggest some areas of Wikipedia I might be able to help out with? --Poiuyt Man (talk) 06:36, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

"May 5, 1945" Lakewood[edit]

Hello, Kingturtle. I see that you are cleaning up the May 5 page. Please see fire balloon and the first two external links listed at the end. Would you consider undoing this edit, please ? Looks legit to me. -- PFHLai 08:03, 2005 May 6 (UTC)

I was just checking your user contributions to see if you have replied to my earlier (above) message, and noticed that you have been cleaning up the April 19 page, too. Thought I could answer the question you asked in this edit summary. In 1928, the 125th and final fascicle -- not volume nor edition -- of the Oxford English Dictionary was published. (It covered the W's.) I've restored the item with the correction. Also, don't worry about the item on the May 5 page. I've restored that as well. Cheers. -- PFHLai 08:29, 2005 May 6 (UTC)

  • I'm in California, USA, so I missed your initial question because I was asleep. Thanks for clearing up both of this issues. The language you used in the OED entry is much better. Kingturtle 13:50, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia. Skeeter08865


I just noticed this edit where you pointed out that Jon Rauch is the tallest. You taught me something I didn't know about someone I do know in real life! I went to high school with Jon. Cheers.  :) CryptoDerk 03:49, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

  • WOW! That is awesome. He's pitching this very second against the Giants. Kingturtle 03:51, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Minor edits...[edit]

Sorry. I didn't really realise there were 'rules' for when to tick the 'minor' box. I tend to just tick it if it was a quick edit, rather than comparing the edit to the normal edits for that the article. I've been around for a while, so I'll have to start paying attention soon! --Ben davison 17:22, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Afghan stamp[edit]

I don't see any problem with Image:Stamp Afghan 1892-600px.jpg myself, either shrunken or fullsize version - messed-up browser cache? You may want to try deleting the entire cache if you haven't done that already. Stan 06:04, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia IS COMMUNISM[edit]

Hey there. In case you didn't realise when you tried to fix the Wikipedia move vandalism, you just deleted the nearly-4000 edits of the real thing! They're all at Wikipedia IS COMMUNISM - GAY FUCKERS FAGS and need undeleting now. violet/riga (t) 19:51, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

George Bush vandal[edit]

Every time I look for you to tell you something in IRC, you're never on :p Anyway, that George Bush vandal hops around on and, so what I've been doing is blocking both for an hour the first time the vandalism pops up. I noticed you placed a block for that specific IP, but in the future you may want to use the range blocks (that is, if I don't set them first). Cheers. CryptoDerk 22:09, May 8, 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome[edit]

Not a problem: correcting day entries is just something I fell into to pass the time between assignments at the office. Simple editing and doesn't require a lot of preparation/investment in time. --Calton | Talk 07:34, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

...if you delete names from an article, please do not mark it as a minor edit. some people have their settings so they don't see minor edits at all. Sorry, I didn't realize that. I didn't even know that was possible, so I'll be more aware in the future. --Calton | Talk 08:06, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

A post on my page[edit]

Hi! You had posted a request on my talk page User talk:Nichalp#expos/nationals debate. I was away, so I couldn't respond immediately. Anyways, I don't have enough knowledge on baseball franchisees, so wouldn't be able to contribute to the discussions. Thanks for inviting me over anyways. :)  =Nichalp (talk · contribs)= 04:08, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Linking dates[edit] the date format display preference -- May 10, 10 May, or (heaven forfend) 05-10 -- kicks in. Because on those pages it's the title, thus already in bold, the self-link doesn't even show. At the rate I'm going, I should have finished all 365 some time next Easter. Cool? Hajor 04:43, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I understand now. It makes sense. Kingturtle 05:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

John Latham[edit]

Hi, I was just wondering why you chose to move John Latham (Australian jurist) to John Latham (jurist). The reason I ask is that this has created some double redirects from John Latham (Australia) (the original location, and the one I prefer). --bainer 04:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Disambiguation language should be as succinct as possible. (Australian jurist) is too much information....unless there was a (Canadian jurist) by the same name. John Latham (Australian) doesn't sound right...he is notable for being a Jurist, not for being Australian. Therefore, John Latham (jurist) is the most succinct and logical. Kingturtle 07:29, 14 May 2005 (UTC) P.S. i'll go and fix the double redirects. Kingturtle 07:29, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Becoming an Admin[edit]

It's funny that you should ask as I was thinking about this after reading about someone else who has been trying to become an admin. Personally, I don't think I have been active long enough. I have too much yet to learn. So, I don't think I am ready to even ask yet. Maybe in a few months after I get more experience. On the plus side, I'm trying different things so I am learning from my mistakes. Vegaswikian 05:33, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

John Latham[edit]

Could I suggest that Sir John Latham is much better known than the 19th century ornithologist of the same name, and that he ought to get the John Latham article, with the bird guy being relegated to John Latham (ornithologist)? Adam 10:01, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

  • That is most certainly fine with me. I was just trying to deal with the (Australian jurist) description. If Sir John deserves John Latham, make it so. Kingturtle 10:07, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I'm not an admin. I was suggesting that you do it. Adam 10:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

  • There are over 60 bird-related articles that link to John Latham. There are less than 10 articles that related to John Latham, the jurist. That might not be an indication of notoriety, but it *is* an indication of how much work is involved if the ornithology is moved. Each of those 60+ articles would have to be modified accordingly - and I don't have the energy tonight to get that done. So maybe I'll do it later this weekend when I have energy and feel refreshed. Kingturtle 10:30, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

P.S. why do you continue to decline nomination to adminship? Kingturtle 10:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Because I don't have the temperament for it. I get in far too many heated arguments with the many fools who infest this project. I doubt I could resist the temptation to block them or protect articles (particularly ones I have written) from them. Adam 10:46, 14 May 2005 (UTC)


But you archived me without replying :-( Vik Reykja 16:30, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Oh yeah! Vik! my apologies! i honestly intended to reply, but i got side-tracked, and bam - i forgot. i even mentioned to a friend that i was going to meet someone who could speek Esperanto (meaning YOU). so, i usually hang out at Caffe Pergolesi with my laptop, and that's where i do a lot of my wikipedia-ing. they have free wireless there. do you know of the place? Kingturtle 17:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, I know of the place. Want to meet there tomorrow (2005-05-15) around, say, 2pm? They're more of a tea house, right? Vik Reykja 20:41, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
      • 2 PM sounds good. I'll be the guy with the laptop, the thick glasses, and the double mocha. Kingturtle 17:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
        • As predicted, I got a parking ticket :) Vik Reykja 01:19, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
          • Ugh. I got one the day before. those darn parking enforcement people. Kingturtle 03:35, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


Noticed that you're an admin and that you've made reverts to the JT page, and I'm gessing you got there much as I did, checking Recent changes. Wondering if you'd look into the editing habits of hasn't engaged in serious vandalism, but the constant inaccurate and/or imprecise edits (especially after requests to discuss the logic behind the changes on the talk page) are becoming irritating. I'd appreciate it! Essjay 18:52, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

note to self[edit]

Project Scoresheet[edit]

I haven't had time yet to see how involved our coverage of scoring is, but here's the link to Project Scoresheet I was telling you about. Vik Reykja 14:56, 17 May 2005 (UTC)


Have you looked into Wikicities for your SC Music project? That could be what you want. Vik Reykja 19:07, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Zzyzx11 has returned[edit]

Because of some of the comments I received by you and others on my talk page, and some other events, I have decided to return today -- but with a few self-imposed restrictions on myself. See my user page if you are interested. Thanks for your patience and understanding. Happy editing and see you around ;-) Zzyzx11 (Talk) 22:09, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

George Bush[edit]

The vandalism is normal...I see no evidence that there is any more than normal...--MONGO 02:47, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Vandalism for that article is normal. In this case, there were 14 revert-type edits in less than 30 minutes - and no other types of edits. Kingturtle 02:49, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps I didn't keep count...and not sure that keeping a count of the reverts matters one way or the other...however, you seem to be someone that has made a huge contribution to this enterprise and I'll certainly understand your reasoning...--MONGO 03:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

All I can say is "Sorry"[edit]

I'd just like to personally apologise for the edit to the Dalek page. I feel terrible that my attempt at humour was miscontrued and that I went too far. As you've noticed, I've since withdrawn my request for adminship. I'm now sending a personal apology to all those who've opposed the adminship because of my actions. - Ta bu shi da yu 02:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

I thank you for the apology. I hold nothing against your character. You did something dumb - we all do. It just so happens that your dumb move was very public and occured at a time when people were voting on your maturity.
I look forward to working with you in the future on Wikipedia. Kingturtle 03:02, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Sumatra-Andaman Earthquake[edit]

It appears that the scientific community is settling on the name Sumatra-Andaman Earthquake for what Wikipedia called the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake.I added mention of this(noting this name's uniform use in a special cover-story section in the current issue of SCIENCE) and you reverted it.What's your problem?--Louis Epstein/ 19:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for supporting my nomination for adminship. It was much appreciated.--Wiglaf 20:05, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

history articles on wikipedia?[edit]


I’m a historian working at the Center for History and New Media at George Mason University ( and we are very interested in digital historical works, including people writing history on Wikipedia. We’d like to talk to people about their experiences working on articles in Wikipedia, in connection with a larger project on the history of the free and open source software movement. Would you be willing to talk with us about your involvement, either by phone, a/v chat, IM, or email? This could be as lengthy or brief a conversation as you wish.

Thanks for your consideration.

Joan Fragaszy jfragasz at gmu dot edu

Category alphabetizing[edit]

Could you take a look at Category:Major league catchers? For the life of me, I can't figure out why John Buck, Ramon Castro and Iván Rodríguez aren't alphabetizing properly. MisfitToys 21:05, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

  • Mark_ryan is submitting a bug report. It is an odd and curious thing. Kingturtle 01:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, Buck is correctly listed now, FWIW. No change on the others. MisfitToys 00:51, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)

uwe kils[edit]

thank you, kingturtle, we like your many contributions a lot. Aren't you willing to cooperate under your real name? That would be good for Wikipedia. Good luck UK 23:41, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

  • I do not understand how using my real name would help wikipedia. please explain. Kingturtle 01:01, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
We teach our students to always check for the sources, especially with content from the www, and that means people and how these names are fitted for the task. If there is testimony from third, independent sources, the better. That was the reason the oceanographers set up independent info about their teacher, and gave all the sources, as a future ancor for refs. Space is not a problem on wikipedia and people load only what they want to know, other than on a paper version. I am willing, as retired professor, to give course scripts to the Wikiversity idea of Eric Moeller (user:eloquence) for future online e-teaching and e-research, and for that it would be necessary to have a credential page for every teacher, like the one oceanographers produced. The more real names wikipedia has the better will be the reputation. And I am shure there will come a time when not the clitoris page is hit no 1 of future wikipedia. keep up with your fine work, I admire your input, with or without name, people like you are the soul of wikipedia

uwe kils[edit]

hallo kingturtle! can you vote on we would like to have that for our Virtual University project - good luck - Uwe Kils 00:16, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

What a year! My first year in Wiki, a featured article and now administrator. Thank you for your support. Tony the Marine (UTC)


Hey King, thanks for your vote in support of my admin nomination. Paul August 16:33, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

My RfA[edit]

I'm sort of disappointed with your vote. You voted oppose with the reason effectively stating "not been around long enough - wanting to see more contributions/involvement". You, in comparison, voted "SUPPORT" on Linuxbeak's RfA. Hes a great user, and i'm not making comparisons, but hes been around for three months - exactly the same as me. I hope you can reconsider your vote based on this, as it is inconsistent to give me an oppose and him a support. Hedley 19:01, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Experience is gained not only through time, but through participation. I am not at all saying that you don't participate. I just want to see more of it before I support you. Kingturtle 19:09, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Ok, thanks for the clarification. I'm active in IRC a lot and frequently on the mailing list, incase you want to know should I be on RfA in the future. Hedley 02:19, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)



Hey thanks for the welcome to Wikipedia Kingturtle! I'm slowly doing a few edits here or there on this wonderful site.

I have a few questions in a wide range for you if thats ok:

  • How did you find me? From the Recent Changes page?
  • I read that you have a B.A. in Political Science. I'm graduating highschool June 3rd, 2005 and am considering taking either political science or accounting in college...any recommendations or thoughts?
  • Do you ever get to have fun edits lately or is it all business now with just reverting edits and voting?

Thomas Buckwalter 04:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Stanford Axe[edit]

What exactly do you think needs cleaning up on this page? -- ericl234 talk 09:30, Jun 3, 2005 (UTC)

scruz list[edit]

Hi, I subscribe to scruz_indie and I just made the connection... :) --Andy M. 12:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

WikiSCUM looks great. I'd love to help out, but I'm new to Santa Cruz and am not very knowledgeable about the scene. Nonetheless, I've got an addition or two in mind that I'll try to work on once I get the time. Good luck! --Andy M. 14:37, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hello and Thanks[edit]

Thank you for your welcome and directions to a sound contribution to Wikipedia. I love wikis and I believe that Wikipedia epitomizes the whole wiki concept. My scientific field is Civil and Hydraulic Eng., but my interests also include history (especially Byzantium), motorcycles, and more. --Spryom 08:24, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My RFA: Thanks[edit]

Thank you for your support on my RFA. Now that I have been promoted, I promise to be as hardworking and fair with the admin tools as I have been with the other areas here on Wikipedia. See you around and happy editing. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 00:38, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Useful Greeting[edit]

It's nice to be welcomed - but it was useful, too. I didn't realize that user pages existed, I had just been jumping in on articles where I saw something to fix or contribute. I must be doing something right - I just had one of my articles (which I originally wrote) posted to the copyright problems list. Led to a bunch of hurt feelings and fury that turned into a rewrite of the article in question. Now it is more appropriate for an encyclopedia. Knowing that I'd been welcomed made it easier to deal with being pronounced a copyright violator by somebody who seems to make a hobby of deleting articles. Thanks!

My RFA[edit]

KT, thanks for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. Fawcett5 19:34, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Your welcome is much appreciated -- as is the collection of links provided. I haven't learned everything yet, but I'm enjoying my experience. I see from above that you take it upon yourself to greet many newcomers. What a nice touch!  :) KevinOB 21:10, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your support[edit]

Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some pie! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, Radiant_>|< 08:08, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Please Help me Resolve Copyright Problem[edit]

I had a user flag a page I wrote Dive into Python as a copyright violation. From the template that comes up it's not exactly clear what the procedure is. I have:

  1. Added a note on the talk page certifying that I am the original author of the material and that I release it under the G??? license used here.
  2. Rewrote the article (I realized it was more informal & less encyclopedic) in the temp page Dive into Python/Temp
  3. Waited.

Now what? Does somebody have a responsibility for going through the copyright problems list and resolving / deleting pages? What's the process? Is there more that I'm supposed to do?

I think your new write-up looks great. I have copied into into the page. Kingturtle 03:10, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thank-you! I really appreciate it. John Elder 04:34, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Today in History Pages[edit]

The idea of the project I'm building was initially to create a historical resource of events and date (that is, when the project started in the pre-wikipedia days of 1995-1996). However, over time it evolved into becoming more of a meta resource of specific events. What do I mean by a specific event: first, it has to be verifiable (agreement on dates and existence of the event by most people... this I accomplish by Googling the date or event name and finding what other people say). Secondly, it has to have survived the passage of time (I set that at a decade: if it's still considered important after a decade it goes in... there is one exception to this rule as I believe most people will remember it after a decade: 9/11/2001). In terms of people's birthdays, I've initially gone by names that were included in some dictionaries I had (I think I started with the dictionary of american culturacy).

As I said in the previous paragraph, the idea pre-dates wikipedia. What I found is some of the data in wikipedia actually came from my own DB (even down to the wording) but some of the content I had in my own DB did not make it into Wikipedia. I was left with two choices then:

  • 1. look in wikipedia and remove the content that was infringing or
  • 2. find a way to merge my stuff more fully into wikipedia (hence I would only maintain a subset of wikipedia's content). I started merging some of the content but realized that it would take me forever.

So I figured it was better to go with option 3, link wikipedia to my DB and let other people take care of that merging. That's what I was starting to do yesterday but someone mentionned on my message page that this was no good. I had done cross-linking through June 30th before I read the message but upon reading it decided to stop and wait until some other wikipedian would ask me to continue to do so (or go ahead and link themselves). In the meantime, I figured I would start working on some other entries I can contribute to. --TNLNYC 12:51, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of famous people with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder[edit]

I totally agree with your comment there, despite my sympathy with the initative that underlies this list (namely presenting ADHD as a good thing rather than a handicap). This list is just way too speculative for a serious encyclopedia. Would it be appropriate for me to intiate VfD, or would that be seen by the community as heavy-handed? Thanks, PhilipR 14:55, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(reply to self) I just left a talk message for one other person from the "What links here". If they don't have an opinion, I'm ready to VFD. Cheers, PhilipR 16:27, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What Constitutes Vandalism?[edit]

After moving some erroneous and self contradictory portions of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program to the talk page, and documenting why they were erroneous or did not belong in a Wikipedia article, user:ReSearcher left this message:

To JohnElder: Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. Your talk comments have added nonsense as well. If you want to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you.

Did I engage in vandalism? Or merely a controversial edit - the entirety of the material was retained on the talk page, and my reasons for moving it were explained. That seems like the WP way to do things. I don't want to go about things the wrong way - so please let me know if I goofed. Sorry to be a "problem child." John Elder 21:13, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)


hallo Kingturtle! can you please take a look at maybe help with some editing / formatting / vote - best greetings Uwe Kils 20:40, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi Kingturtle, I know this is a bit overdue, but I want to thank you for your support vote on my RFA. Thanks to you and everyone else who contributed, I am now an admin, and I have been using my new powers to help Wikipedia out. Thank you! Linuxbeak | Talk | Desk 23:24, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Warning! Precedent for Speedy Deletion of School Stub and School Substubs![edit]

The article here seems to be going up for SPEEDY deletion simply because it is a school! Deletionists cannot win in the VfD so this maybe a tactic to create a precedent for the speedy deletion of schools stub or school sub stubs! Please monitor this situation and the talk page at the Association of Inclusionist Wikipedians to discuss this issue.

Im my opinion SPEEDY deletion of school stubs and school substubs is inapproperate! --ShaunMacPherson 07:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you could could you spread the word to interested parties, I believe you are more familiar with the parties that wish to see school articles preserved better than I :). --ShaunMacPherson 07:04, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Hey, could you please help me out over at Talk:Left Behind#Slacktivist link? I'm not quite sure how best to respond. Thanks. Vik Reykja 15:08, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

belated thanks[edit]

Thanks for supporting my RFA nearly a month ago. Unfortunately a sad event occurred at that time in my family, and I have not been able to participate in Wikipedia as much as I would like. I hope to get back to active contribution soon. Thanks again, and I hope you're having a great vacation! Cheers, FreplySpang (talk) 01:23, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copyright Violations[edit]

It's nice to know you; I received your Welcome Message in June 3th. I found a "copyright violation" long time ago, that is, a German tennis player Tommy Haas. The First Edition includes copyright violation from ATP Official site, but someone added {{cleanup}}, not {{copyvio|url=}}. I noticed it in January 2005, but I wasn't accustomed to Wikipedia Project then. I didn't know what {{cleanup}} meant. After 9 revision histories, This Edition removed copied sentences. What shall we do in this case? We can't leave such problematic histories, the previous nine. --Hhst 07:06, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball players[edit]

Howdy! I'm contacting you because your name is listed as a participant in Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball players. The project seems to be dormant, but I'm interested in starting it up again. I've worked on a new infobox template (see it in action here) and have many ideas for increasing Wikipedia's coverage of MLB players. If you're interested, please leave a note at the project's talk page. Thanks! AиDя01DTALKEMAIL 22:22, July 22, 2005 (UTC)


Dear Kingturtle, I ask this question to you because I couldn't find an easy answer elsewhere: I edited an article and saved it while I wasn't logged on, so the changes are not signed by my username but rather from my IP. Can this be changed somehow so I can sign my entry?--Spryom 20:53, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Re: Afghanistan provinces[edit]

I got into a little tiff with Tobias Conradi over finally renaming the provinces of Afghanistan back to the "X province" format, from the "X Province" format he put them in some time ago. I have a question for you, since you seem to know something of Afghanistan: Can you state that "X province" is more accurate than "X Province?" (I noticed, on User talk:Jeltz, that every one of the google results you gave were to news sites, which may not know the standard. Or maybe they do! I don't know.) And, secondly, is there any reason not to use simply "X"? That is, if we put the articles at Paktia, Panjshir, Kandahar (province), etc? I know you're on vacation, so I wait for your reply. Thanks! :) --Golbez 15:51, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard[edit]

I have created a new project page at Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard, and Secretondon suggested that I tell my fellow bureaucrats about it. It's designed as a forum where users with bureaucrat rights can discuss difficult situations, either beforehand (for advice about what to do) or after taking action (for review and feedback). It's similar to another page I created, which is starting to catch on (e.g., Jimbo used it this August): Wikipedia:account suspensions, which is not for 3RR or simple vandalism but for close calls and disputed blocks.

Please take a look at these new project pages and give some feedback. Good idea? Bad? Needs improvement? --Uncle Ed 12:23, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Port of Prince Rupert[edit]

Please see Port of Prince Rupert and talk:Port of Prince Rupert

WikiDon 19:22, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

your help is needed @ Schiavo[edit]

your help is needed at:

Talk:Terri_Schiavo and also at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Terri_Schiavo

both are time-sensitive issues; could you come and vote. Come and vote, please...?--GordonWattsDotCom 07:21, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Since you said you were confused, I made the voting booth especially for you (except the first vote, which is a closed vote).
  • Here it is, plain and simple.

Re: Katrina deaths[edit]

Re: Katrina deaths[edit]

I found another source.

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:19, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Katrina deaths[edit]

I found another source.

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:19, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Katrina deaths[edit]

I found another source.

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: Katrina deaths[edit]

I found another source.

The information is shown about 2/3 down the page. The original link changed the news story on the same page. I will change them. CrazyC83 15:20, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Hurricane Katrina death toll[edit]

Kingturtle, you asked me to redothat on IRC and later you revert me for doing so. You basicaly made me waiste several hours. Can you PLEASE tell me what the heck is going on? Please also notify me on my talk page. --Cool Cat Talk 20:52, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Also you removed "Terrebonne" stats from Lousiana. entry. --Cool Cat Talk 21:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I am not pissed ...much... but I thought it look better, I just want to improve meself. --Cool Cat Talk 21:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

coolcat, my specific request in IRC was for someone to change the "Totals" row from 4 columns to 5 columns. this was something i wasn't able to figure out within the confines of the chart that existed. i did not ask for a total overhaul of the chart.
the States and their totals should appear in the first columns, and then subsets should appear in further columns. i am sorry for the amount of time you spent redoing the chart. can i reimburse you by doing a wikipedia task for you? :)
Kingturtle 21:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
P.S. I will add Terrebonne stats right now. thanks for catching that ommission.
Not just that but the "missing" are missing as well. See katrina toll talk page for a few issues I have with current template. --Cool Cat Talk 21:23, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I refuse to let those hours to waiste ;). Lets see what we can coe up with. Ok? --Cool Cat Talk 21:43, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
I was the one who added the "Missing" column. I decided to remove the "Missing" column because I felt the States and the States Totals columns should be separated from one to two - and if I didn't remove the "Missing" column, the chart would get too wide.
I am happy to do a project for you. i owe you that time! Kingturtle 21:49, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Image deletion rampage[edit]

Just a heads-up, but it seems that Jimbo Wales has decided to tighten up image tagging requirements, and has ordered immediate expunging of unsourced images. Some admins have thrown themselves into this hastily (User:Zscout370 for example), who aren't bothering to notify the uploaders or even remove the links. I bring this to your attention because Image:Benzodiazepine.jpg -- still in Benzodiazepine -- was deleted a few days ago. Better check your images for proper tags. --Calton | Talk 08:01, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Fair use outside of article space[edit]

Hi. I see that your user page includes one or more "fair use" images (e.g. Image:Marine-raiders.jpg). You may not be aware that the fair use exception requires a separate justification for each use of an image, and it difficult to make a fair use argument outside of the main article namespace. Please see Wikipedia:Fair_use#Images for details. Cheers, Bovlb 07:49, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I am confused. Are you saying that I can't show that picture on my userpage because I can't justify it's use there? Kingturtle 18:24, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid that's correct. Wikipedia:Fair_use#Images gives the details, but essentially fair use is out for user pages. Bovlb 15:38, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Are there any other images on my user page that need to be removed? Kingturtle 18:21, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
I didn't look, and I'm supposed to be on WikiVacation this week. Sorry. I'm thinking of scripting the detection of fair use images outside article space. Bovlb 22:13, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Please do not script such an activity. That will rub people the wrong way. The tactful and kind way is to tell individuals of their image violations, and have them remove said images. Kingturtle 23:06, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
Just to clarify, I was thinking of writing a script that would produce a list (e.g. sorted by page) for more convenient human action. Such a list would have answered your question. I am not proposing to script any removal of images or image links. I have been experimenting recently with finding violations of this type manually and then contacting users, with mixed results. By the way, I think (IANAL) that a link to an image ([:Image:…]), as opposed to an inline image, would not violate copyright. Have a look at what I've done with my (modest)upload gallery. (Hmm. I wonder if we could make the gallery extension de-inline "fair use" images.) Bovlb 14:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


Someone was just able to vandalise the main page beacuse you included an image on the ITN template that was not protected. If you don't know a commons admin you must upload the image to wikiepdia, tag in with {{c-uploaded}}, and protect it before you can add it to the main page.--nixie 00:35, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello kingturtle[edit]

It seems to me that you are black, or know about black people, so I thought I' ask you:I do not fully understand the term, nigger. If a person is born white, but eventually goes black maybe from a tan, would he/she be allowed to say it? What if he was muslim? Note: I am not being racist, I really want to know.

Years in baseball[edit]

Can you have a look at Category:Baseball, and try and figure out why 9 (and only 9) of the "year in baseball" articles are showing up there? There's no real reason for them to be in the main category as well as the sub-cats. I can't for the life of me figure out what's causing it. 1966 in baseball shows up there, for example, but 1996 in baseball doesn't, and I can't find any difference in the formatting of the pages. MisfitToys 23:30, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Sylvia Wright and Mondegreens[edit]

Hi. Back in May, someone I "cyber-know" added some material to Mondegreen, which you reverted a week later. She mentioned it recently, and I'm curious about what was wrong with it. Also, I think it's too bad to discourage an occasional Wikipedian like her, since she's very scrupulous about getting her facts straight and substantiating them. Anyway, I added the material back with some edits of my own and put something on the Talk page, so you can answer here or there or on my talk page. Thanks. —JerryFriedman 21:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't remember why I made that revert. Her edits look clean. Whatever the reason is lost on me now. Thank you for putting her edits back in. Kingturtle 02:40, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
You're welcome and thanks! —JerryFriedman 21:16, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Please contact for newspaper article[edit]


If interested, I'd like to speak with you about the Ocala and Marion County entries on Wikipedia for a newspaper article. I work for the Ocala Star-Banner. Phone me at 352-867-4154. I'm hoping to have the story completed by Monday for a Wednesday edition. Thanks,



Hi Kingturtle. Apologies for reverting your edit using the rollback button instead of leaving a comment directing you to the talk page. I didn't think it was irrelevant, but just wanted to see citations as I've not seen any reference to that on the web. Please respond here. Thanks. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Halibutt[edit]

Since you have supported me during my RfA, I wonder if you could review and comment on the RfA for Halibutt, the first person I have nominated myself. There seem to be a heated debate and votes of experienced, unbiased editors would be appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. WikiThanks.
I would like to express my thanks to all the people who took part in my (failed) RfA voting. I was both surprised and delighted about the amount of support votes and all the kind words! I was also surprised by the amount of people who stated clearly that they do care, be it by voting in for or against my candidacy. That's what Wiki community is about and I'm really pleased to see that it works.
As my RfA voting failed with 71% support, I don't plan to reapply for adminship any more. However, I hope I might still be of some help to the community. Cheers! Halibutt 05:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Important AfD[edit]

I am contacting editors applies NPOV and NOR standards rigidly for their input on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of modern day dictators, where a consensus has yet to be established. I think this AfD is particularly important because it has been bringing to light some fundamental differences in interpretations of content policies among editors. If you have time, please take a look at the page and add your input. Best regards. 172 07:56, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter[edit]

Did Reagan really say that? When and where? That might be good for Wikiquote if there are good cites. --Mr. Billion 00:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • The quote is attributed to Reagan. But I don't know where or when he said it. Moreover, at one point, in one of his Saturday addresses, Reagan challenges the quip as being inaccurate. Kingturtle 00:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Gulf War Syndrome's Principi quote in light of uranium as a neurotoxin[edit]

Dear Kingturtle, why did you do this? The 2005 Nebraska research which you reverted away is rock-solid, and none of the other substances which I had removed mention of are teratogenic. I can get more sources about the neurotoxicity of uranium if you like; please let me know. 19:19, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not revert away. I re-added "United States Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi's panel found that more recent studies suggest the veterans' illnesses are neurological and apparently are linked to exposure to neurotoxins such as the nerve gas sarin, the anti-nerve gas drug pyridostigmine bromide, and pesticides that affect the nervous system. Research studies conducted since the war have consistently indicated that psychiatric illness, combat experience or other deployment-related stressors do not explain Gulf War veterans illnesses in the large majority of ill veterans," the review committee said."
Please explain to be better what needs to be done and I will help. Kingturtle 21:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Okay, well, I think the link to the 2005 Nebraska research should be added back, because as far as I know it was the first peer-reviewed medical publication proving that uranium is a neurotoxin. That means that uranium inhalation exposure can explain the observed birth defects, immune system problems, AND the behavioral problems, whereas from 2002-2004 it could only explain the first two. Does that make sense? 21:55, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Classic Rock[edit]

Hello. I was wondering if you would like to participate in my classic rock survey. I'm trying to find the most like classic rock song. There is more information on my user page. Hope you participate! RENTASTRAWBERRY FOR LET? röck 02:10, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding edit to December 13th[edit]

I have reverted to add Crip's back. It's media coverage and events following, as well as the fame of the victimmakes it important enough. I suggest you comment in the talk page before so big changes. Thank you. --Computerjoe 18:19, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome back. I feel rejuvenated. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


I noticed you have made a lot of contributions to the Afgan articles. I am curently working on some texts over at Wikisource in particular some of Kipling's poetry with references to Afganistan under the Birtish Empire. For example I would like to link to Michni and Mooltan which I believe are places in Afganistan or the Northwest Province. Perhaps they are too small of towns to merit an article but maybe they are no longer called by the same names the Britsh used. The other question I had was if you knew if the Hurrum Hills are along the Durand line? Any help you could give me would be appreciated.--BirgitteSB 20:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

re:Category:Wikipedians by D&D Alignment[edit]

I noticed you are categorized as a Wikipedian by alignment. If you are in to userboxes, there are now infoboxes available using a standard template. See the alignment category page for details. xaosflux Talk/CVU 18:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


Hi, I've reverted your redirect. Could you describe why you redirected on the talk page? Thanks :) - FrancisTyers 00:16, 31 December 2005 (UTC)