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House Rules
  1. I may or may not respond to a post you make here on this page, I will try to respond, but if I don't, you will survive, I'm sure.
  2. If I revert or remove your post from my page, it could be that I do not find the discussion germane to me; alternately it could be that I find something in the posting to be preachy or pedantic, in which case I will simply revert or remove your post. I am busy living in Japan, and really don't need to be roasted. Whiny, self-important editors threaten with "I'll get your x taken away" or "you'll never make admin"... I couldn't care less. It's happened, and I am still here.
  3. This is not your talk page, this is my talk page, and I do not allow edit wars on here. If you are a legal positivist, if the "rules" of Wikipedia in your mind overrule respect for the privacy and pages of others, or if you are a creepy Wikistalking troll, you have your own talkpage which is your own playground to do exactly what you wish. This is not it, and you are not welcome to it.
  4. If you template me for something you should be discussing first, especially if you are an edit-warring copyright cockroach, don't be surprised if I cuss you. You've earned it.
  5. Complaint against me? Be patient, my perennial wikistalker is sure to get in touch with you soon and apologize for my ill behavior. It would be funny if it were not pathetic.
  6. Friends and colleagues are most welcome, and none of the above is meant for you.
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Your email[edit]

I am not able to check my email, but I believe you were asking for help moving a file at commons. to move files at commons you should follow the instructions at commons. Frietjes (talk) 14:20, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Graphics Lab[edit]

Your request(s) has been completed. If satisfied please place a resolve tag on your request entry here, and here so we may close them. - FOX 52 (talk) 04:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Copyright problem on List of Scouting memorials[edit]

Material you included in the above article appears to have been copied from the copyright web page The translation of the plaque is copyright, and the plaque itself is as well, unless the author has been dead for 50 years. Unfortunately, for copyright reasons, the content had to be removed. Please leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions or if you think I made a mistake. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 17:56, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

State Seal of Japan[edit]

Your request has been completed. If satisfied please place a resolve tag on your request entry here, so we may close them. Thanks FOX 52 (talk) 20:58, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

FOX 52 I got your completion notice-they are not the same-note the upper left kanji.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:23, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
@Kintetsubuffalo: try this file - FOX 52 (talk) 04:02, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Bronze Wolf Award[edit]

upper is a png and lower is a svg. But is this good enough? --Egel Reaction? 19:19, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Egel: Perfect, exactly what I had in mind! Can you upload it here? Thanks!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 19:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

July 2017[edit]

Information icon Hello. Regarding the recent revert you made: you may already know about them, but you might find Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace useful. After a revert, these can be placed on the user's talk page to let them know you considered their edit inappropriate, and also direct new users towards the sandbox. They can also be used to give a stern warning to a vandal when they've been previously warned. Thank you. ‡ Єl Cid, Єl Caɱ̩peador ᐁT₳LKᐃ 16:17, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Manchukuo Boy Scouts[edit]

I've found this Facebook page about Manchukuo's Boy Scouts. I read they existed but I can't any pictures of them until now.

If I could find more about them, I may inform you about this.

--Kyuzoaoi (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome!

--Kyuzoaoi (talk) 01:35, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Just by luck!

--Kyuzoaoi (talk) 01:52, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I think so. Maybe I've read your page a long time ago, but I forgot it. Then I found out about the tidbit about Manchukuo and remembered your userpage.

--Kyuzoaoi (talk) 04:04, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Re: Manchukuo Boy Scouts[edit]

Sure man. What do you need me to do?--Šolon (talk) 00:23, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Ok. Where is your article?--Šolon (talk) 21:33, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
    • The top half of the round one says "大满洲帝国童子军联盟" (The Boy Scouts Alliance of the Empire of Great Manchuria). Bottom half says "智、勇、仁"(Wisdom, Brave, Benevolence).--Šolon (talk) 23:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
      • 1st picture to the right say "吉林省童子团指导者" (Director/Commander of Boy Scouts Group/Regiment of Jilin Provice), title to the left is that of Hsinking Special Municipality(新京特别市童子团指导者).
        • For the 2nd picture its ok. I had elementary Japanese when I was a freshman and I can read Kanji anyways. It says the flag ceremony of Boy Scout's establishment will be held in May 7th, 1935(康德二年五月七日) in front of the square of the Imperial Household Agency (宫内府). Representatives all over the nation will attend the event... You can ask Japanese Wikipedian for more accurate translation, but I am sure thats pretty much it.
          • 3rd pic, Boy scouts marching in the city
            • 4th, from right to left: Oath (誓词), regulation (or rules) (规律) , Slogan (标语)。
              • 5th, The organizational schemes/outlines/summary of Manchukuo Boy Scouts (满洲国童子军组织纲要)
                • 6th, that's what I don't know at this moment. I can ask someone else for you. I am guessing this is the Imperial Household Agency (宫内府) they talked about in picture 2, but not for sure.
                  • 7th, It says "日满童子军交X", having difficulty to read the last character (x). Watermark messed it up. It seems to mean "The exchange duty between Japanese and Manchukuo boy scouts". "康德元年五月六日" is May 6th, 1934.
                    • 8th, last picture, yes. I would translate group as regiment, but not a big deal.--Šolon (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I can translate it myself, but that wouldn't be a reliable source. I will see if I can find anything in Manchu during that period, but I highly doubt it since Manchu wasn't the official language of Manchukuo.
    • Sorry, been busy today. I'll probably look it over this weekend. For the first and third link, are you trying to get those books or just use those pages as reference?--Šolon (talk) 02:40, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
      • Sorry has been really really busy recently. Link [1] directs you to the website of Dalian Library. It is only good if you can get the book, or its just an short introduction. Link [2] is an article from a news website, so it is an ok source. The other two links are not reliable sources. Especially [3], it is just a PDF version of Manchukuo on Chinese Wikipedia.--Šolon (talk) 13:25, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
        • Nothing much valuable after I actually read through the article. It only mentioned the scout once as quoted: “协和青少年团训练对象为16岁以上至25岁,把伪满洲国童子团联盟(1932年9月成立)、满铁爱路少年队(1936年6月成立)等合并而成。” meaning: Xiehe Youth Group from 16 to 25 years old is the combination of Manchukuo Scout alliance (est. Sep 1932) and the organization of Manchu railroad youth (est. Jun 1936). --Šolon (talk) 01:48, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Graphics Lab[edit]

Your request has been completed. If satisfied please place a resolve tag on your request entry here, so we may close it. - FOX 52 (talk) 16:22, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

re: next question[edit]

This is a huge topic but long story short, basically couple of reasons:

  • 1. Population. This is a common minority issue.
  • 2. Desegregation of Manchus and Chinese. This happened at the end of Qing. Imagine as an minority without a community and all of your neighboorhood were Chinese.
  • 3. Fall of Qing. Manchu government somehow had a control of Manchu education until the end, but when the dynasty collapsed, the force which regulated language education was gone as well (and the succeeding ROC government had an anti-Manchu sentiment btw).

Luckily, it is 21st century. We now have the Internet which gave us many volunteers a platform to regain our language. You will also see more native speakers in the next couple of generations since Manchu education was established at school by the Chinese government as they began to see Manchu language as a cultural heritage. However, it'll never be completely revived like it used to be, but it won't be completely dead just like Gaelic.--Šolon (talk) 23:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Scouting in Taiwan[edit]

Hello and thanks for your invitation and discussion. We have established a community about the Taiwan's WikiProject Scouting and have a Facebook Fan Page and a Facebook group (both of these account name are @wikiscoutingtw). We are welcome to join us and feel free to discuss; you can use English to talk and we can understand. This is Taiwania Justo speaking (Reception Room) 14:18, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Electronic music#Sub-project EDM[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Electronic music#Sub-project EDM as a participant of WP:WikiProject Electronic music. - TheMagnificentist 13:43, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

World Scout Jamboree / World Scout Moot[edit]

@--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) Hello. Thanks for the comments. Where is the error? All edited data had its source. I've also updated table settings to make them readable to readers. As far as flags and table settings are concerned - I was drawing on how the site about the Olympic Games is modified. (Https:// Please accept my changes. They are correct and substantive. Thank you. --* User:Agi~cswiki

  1. per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Icons#Inappropriate use, which was cited in my edit summary, the flags should not be added-the Scouting WikiProject frequently has to remove them from articles
  2. it is bad form to remove existing sources in favor of your own. If your sources are good, add them, but don't remove the old sources
  3. it is bad form to rewrite large sections of existing articles-your text should fit in to the existing text, not overwrite it
That said, I believe you are a dedicated Scouter, and your hard work is appreciated, if you will work with those editors who have been working on these articles for years, and not against them--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Scouts in South Africa[edit]

Hi, you can find some details of the four associations in these documents (I don't have personal recollections to add as this was 1970s and earlier):

Here is a reference to Winston that you could possibly use:

Zaian (talk) 06:48, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Merger protocol[edit]

I notice that you're working on a merge in Key (lock). I've managed to avoid working on merges so I start by thanking anyone willing to take on that task. However, merges typically include the copying of material from an existing article, and WP:COPYWITHIN has what I view as best practices for this activity, specifically noting that the edit summary should explain the article content was copied and have a link to the source page. At the moment, I get that readers could figure it out by seeing the template on the page but presumably that template will go away when you think the merger is completed and there will be no clear record of where the material came from and in particular, and of course the key point (notice how I cleverly invoked the word "key") is that attribution history is lost without the edit summary noting the source of the material.--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:53, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick:Sorry, I'm missing it-what did I do that I shouldn't? It's late, rough day and my head is not clear.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:19, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
If I understand your edit summary you are working on a merge of some material into Key (lock). Based on the template on the article I assume the material came from Maison key system (which no longer exists). For attribution reasons, the advice on copping materials within Wikipedia suggest specifically identifying in the edit summary that you have copied material and providing a link to the original article. I'm not quite sure where the original article is so that might be a little work but it helps preserve the attribution history of those who contributed to the original material.
Sorry, I know I'm catching you at the end of a long day.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:14, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


Just dropping by to say hi to fellow Wikipedia in Japan! Regards, Alex ShihTalk 04:54, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

August 2017[edit]

Stop icon with clock
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 31 hours for edit warring, as you did at Couscous. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may request an unblock by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  Rami R 09:19, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Actually I'm okay with it, every so often it's good for the soul. I would request that someone (you, if you're an honest admin) actually look at the edits on their merits. I reverted an agenda-pusher, and am curious to know why I got more time penalty than the agenda-pushing newbie user. Either way it's a nice break for me.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:53, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm glad you are enjoying your break. This edit is the reason you got slightly longer. Simply put, you should have known better than calling someone "noob". Your decorum afterwards wasn't any better either. Rami R 10:03, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Rami R Stylequick is at it again, writing horribly-capitalized, misspelled, Algerian-POV-pushing-at-the-expense-of-their-neighbors, previous-cite-removing blunders. I've done one revert or cleanup of each, then I'm not touching them, but you should really have a look.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:44, 19 August 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for your actions and recognition of my efforts. Do you know which administrator I should request to have these pages disabled from IPs and new editors? Meaning who should I request for semi-protection of these pages from newcomers and IPs who keep making disruptive edits. Let me know if anyone is advisable to consult. Best regards.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

@NadirAli:Your best bet is Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, also given his recent mudslinging, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations may be in order.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:16, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Given this users recent comments and suspected switching to IP editing, I don't think it's a bad idea at all. Problem is I got an exam on Sunday for my lifeguard course and homework to do. When I open an SPI later, would you be willing to leave a comment? I'll start off with an RFPP hopefully tonight and move to an SPI later on. I suspect this is the same IP based on the general area that edit warred me and I reported, but CU misinterpreted request.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 03:22, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Happy to support.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
I have filed a request over here. Just keep an lookout over there for now. We'll move to the SPI in a couple of days. Thank you for your advice and support.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 05:15, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
@NadirAli:, he's back and it's clear he's a sock, even IPs are reverting him. Wikipedia:CheckUser#Contacting_a_CheckUser is a good bet,--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Kintetsubaffalo, I will file a formal SPI hopefully tomorrow as I more time to gather evidence. I will send you the link to the case page once I opened it.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 04:39, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I was opening a sockpuppet investigation page and looking through this users contributions to find the diff of him pinging a user for help as the IP was in edit summaries and talk pages. It looks like CU already blocked him before I could file the SPI. I am sure he's the same IP sock that edit warred me and another user last month. When I opened another SPI against the IP, I did it with the concern that this is a banned user based on his comments. The CU misunderstood my comments and closed the case page. Have a look when you can and tell me if it appears to be him. I am quite sure it is. We still have one unblocked IP user. Regards.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 00:34, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
I believe we found the sockmaster, so I have tagged it.--NadirAli نادر علی (talk) 02:47, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

White Mischief[edit]

Thanks for this edit adding a "tone" tag to the article. Please could you make some suggestions on Talk:White_Mischief_(film) about how the article could be improved? --Northernhenge (talk) 21:52, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Christiaan Barnard[edit]

Were you able to take a look at the source? I'm still concerned that the paraphrasing may have broader problems. Samsara 09:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Samsara:I live in Japan so no access to a lending library, but the whole thing reeks POV.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:31, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Samsara A google search only brings up the Wikipedia article.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:40, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Let's continue this at the article talk page, where someone else has just joined in. Samsara 10:58, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Continue on your request[edit]

Could we continue on this request? --Goran tek-en (talk) 21:11, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Battle of Liberty Place Monument article[edit]

Good day. I notice you put a "tone" warning on the Battle of Liberty Place Monument article. Could you please be specific as to what problem(s) you think need to be addressed at Talk:Battle of Liberty Place Monument? Thanks! Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 10:40, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Just wanted to thank you for the nice note you left on my talk page. It's also nice to see you as active as ever and doing great work! Cheers! -- Orionisttalk 09:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Inviation to discussion page[edit]

Dear User:Kintetsubuffalo, Thank you for your recent valuable contributions to the Wikipedia page Peace Treaty with North Korea. The meaning of contents is now clearer and transparent because of your efforts and corrections. Please refer to the AfD discussion link below and comment your feedback for the topic if possible.

Goodtiming8871 (talk) 13:25, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Re:did you leave?[edit]

I have got vacances. I will about September 23th return.

Regards PawełMM (talk) 06:34, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Something that may interest you[edit]


I changed some of your sock tags related to the Zeitgeist articles. I thought you may be interested to see ShantaethePirates SPI as this is the sock that is vandalizing those articles. -- Dane talk 02:27, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Graphics Lab[edit]

Your request has been completed. If satisfied please place a resolve tag on your request entry here, so we may close it. - FOX 52 (talk) 03:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

"At" vs. "of"[edit]

Over the last several months I've noticed numerous edits changing the preposition "at", indicating location, to more generic prepositions, specifically "of", and possibly also "in", in reference to a specific location. While there may be instances where "at" is not an appropriate preposition, it's perfectly acceptable and appropriate to use when indicating something located at a particular place or its immediate vicinity. Other prepositions, such as "of" and "in" don't always provide the same meaning; for example, "of" in the same construction carries the implication that something originated in that place, not merely that it was there at a certain or indefinite point. In biographical articles, origin and location need to be carefully distinguished, and so "at" is usually preferable when the writer is not trying to indicate the subject's point of origin. "In" implies that the subject was located only within the physical boundaries of a place, which is often more specific than the information that the writer intends to convey, and may be inaccurate. For example, you can meet someone at a restaurant, or a tree, or a town, without meeting inside it. I realize that some people prefer to use "in" when speaking of something that occurs "at" a particular city or town, but that's often misleading. And some people prefer to use "of" whenever there's some relationship between a person and a place; but again, it's often misleading or inaccurate, when "at" merely indicates location, without implying origin or spatial relationship. I hope that moving forward, you'll consider whether the writer intended to give a location, or indicate belonging, origin, or relationship to the place's boundaries. "At" may be correct in many instances where a writer has chosen to use "of" or "in", but those prepositions frequently imply meanings other than those supplied by "at". P Aculeius (talk) 03:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

P Aculeius"Of" is not generic, it implies origin of, whereas "at" is a very specific location.
"particular place or its immediate vicinity"-Rome was a city of a million people. A "particular place" would be the Coliseum or the Pantheon, for instance. Vide:
1.In or very near a particular place.
at that precise position;  at Jim’s house
1.Used to indicate location, inclusion, or position within spatial, temporal or other limits
3.Expressing origin. 1.Indicating an ancestral source or origin of descent.
You can say all that without biting other editors.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:30, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm not "biting" other editors. I'm sorry if you felt my wording was too harsh, but I was simply trying to make clear that this particular change remains unwarranted, as I had on several previous occasions, perhaps less-strongly worded. However, by the same token, you might expect that making the same stylistic change to a series of articles, and apparently ignoring the same objection to that change over a period of months, could seem like deliberate indifference to the intended meaning, or disrespectful to the editor trying to explain why the word used was the correct word for the situation. And I also note that you're the one who, perhaps a bit ironically, referred me to the "assume good faith" policy in an edit summary while re-reverting my reversion, even as I was trying to explain it clearly and without being insulting here on your talk page, in order to avoid the same situation coming up repeatedly. I always try to assume good faith, but so many of the edits to articles I patrol involve the substitution of one person's style preferences for another, without any other changes, that I may sometimes jump to conclusions (for instance, the never-ending change of "BC" and "AD" to "BCE" and "CE", which we classics editors constantly contend with; to me this seemed like another such an instance, but as you assure me that this wasn't your intention, I accept your explanation). Let's call it a draw when it comes to politeness, shall we, and say we could each have been less obviously irritable in the edit summaries.
As for the intended meaning, the definitions you've quoted clearly support the point I was trying to make above. When I say that people and families from Roman history were "at" ancient Rome, I'm stating that Rome was the location with which they were associated; not necessarily their point of origin (for instance, the gens Maria was probably not originally from Rome, and may have been of Sabine or Oscan origin), and certainly not that they were spatially limited (within) Rome (many of Marius' famous deeds occurred outside of Rome; while he lived at Rome, his family lived at Rome, they may have dwelt in a villa outside the city proper), etc. In some cases the difference may be one of emphasis: even when "in" could be used, it emphasizes the concept of "within", which isn't what I'm trying to stress, since individuals and families are highly mobile. A Roman gens might be centered at Rome but have many members living outside the city; "in" might imply that all of them lived or remained inside the boundaries of Rome. I reverted the changes because they altered the meaning of the sentences in unintended ways. I hope we've arrived at an understanding now; after all, we both intend to work collaboratively, not competitively, for the benefit of the readers. P Aculeius (talk) 13:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
I submit that if several users have changed your words in the last few months, perhaps your word choice is not optimal. I've been teaching English for nearly 20 years. If the use is unclear to someone like me, then I daresay many others won't get it. But I'm not here to fight you or anyone.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
"of". - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 20:01, 22 September 2017 (UTC)