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Confusion in the previous message- WAM[edit]

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gtxovt mipasuxot[edit]

kober tqven ertaderti qartveliwikipedieli brzandebit da iqneb daafiqsirot tqveni azri aq aq qartul0 wikipediashi aqtivoba nulis tolia — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:20, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

batono kober, gtxovt iqneb mxari dauchirot gverdis gadatanas. tqvenc xom kargad icit rom iberia egzonimia da misi saxeli kartlia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:06, 16 February 2018 (UTC)



mainteresebs rogor gadaitargmneba samefo aznauri inglisurad, magalitad tavadi itargmneba rogorc prince magram samefo aznauri? me vfirkob rogorc baroni, rogorc samefo aznauri aseve baronic mefis ushualo vasalebi ikvnen stored vsmjelob tu ara? madlobt. --Heraldicbone (talk) 14:38, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


Hello Kober, I wanted to ask -- do you have access to the Georgian original of Leonti Mroveli's Chronicles, and would you be able to verify some questions I have, or if not, might you know somewhat who might be able to? Thanks a ton! --Calthinus (talk) 17:56, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hello and sorry for a late reply. Yes, I do have an access to the Georgian text and I would be happy to help you with that. Best, --KoberTalk 11:45, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Great, and thanks for your help. I wanted to verify some things secondary sources-- mainly Amjad Jaimoukha -- said that Mroveli said. First up I guess is this one: that after the time of Alexander the Great, some "Chaldeans" "returned" to the Caucasus. Unfortunately I don't have a cite for where Mroveli might have said that. Do you by chance know if he did though? Thanks again,--Calthinus (talk) 15:52, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
@Calthinus: Well, there is such a passage in Mroveli's chronicle, but it claims that the event occurred in the wake of Alexander's alleged invasion of the Caucasus, not after it. Also, the text does not imply that the alleged Chaldean migration was their "return": "Furthermore, other peoples, the K'aldeveli (=Chaldeans), had come, and they too had settled in K'art'li." (translation by Thomson 1996, p. 24).--KoberTalk 04:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
And it doesn't mention anything about the K'aldeveli or some synonym having come from the Caucasus anywhere else, to your knowledge? --Calthinus (talk) 14:31, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Calthinus: No, it does not mention anything like that. The chronicle makes only two more mentions of the Chaldeans, in both cases referring to the mutual enmity of the "Itrujan", the god of the Chaldeans, and Armazi, that of the Georgians. See Thomson, pp. 100, 106. I think Jaimoukha tries to prove too much by identifying the K'aldeveli of the Georgian sources with the Urartian migrants into the South Caucasian heartland. --KoberTalk 18:41, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
That's what I was afraid of as well. Hence I why I was asking you. Some cleanup may be necessary. Thanks for your help. --Calthinus (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)


Jaimoukha doesn't mention which specific work this came from, unfortunately. What did he say about the "Kakh" of Kakheti? If you don't have access that's fine, I will be removing this momentarily for the time being...--Calthinus (talk) 17:17, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Well, "Kakh" is an enthnonym referring to the population of Kakheti. So, it naturally recurs multiple times in the works of Prince Vakhushti. Is there any specific passage that might be of interest to you? --KoberTalk 16:56, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
Well unfortunately Jaimoukha doesn't seem to have given any sort of page number. But what I'm interested in is where the "Kakh-Batsa" are discussed. Jaimoukha seems to equate these to the Kakh. Naturally I am... curious. --Calthinus (talk) 13:53, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
@Calthinus: I checked Vakhushti's opus and failed to find any mention of "Kakh-Batsa". I was able to find only one passage discussing the possible connection between the Kakh (in the sense of the people of Kakheti) and the Nakh tribes. Immediately after describing geography of Kakheti and the adjacent mountainous valleys, Vakhushti asserts that "due to this" (that is, geographic proximity) the Kakhs claimed Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi (~Ingush), and Kists as "theirs", but these tribes had broken away and did no more recognize these links:

გარნა სდებენ ამათ გამო კახნი ძურძუკთა, ღლიღუთა და ქისტთა თჳსად, გარნა მათ არა უწყიან ესე მიერ ჟამით, ოდეს განდგნენ.

--KoberTalk 15:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Sadly I don't speak Georgian nor do I trust Google Translate for it, but Google Translate makes it look like this quote is about... caterpillars? Is that a metaphor? --Calthinus (talk) 16:16, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah, my bad... I forgot to include the translation. The quote reads: "For this reason [i.e., preceding description of geographic proximity], the Kakhs claimed the Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi, and Kists as their own, but, as for now, they [i.e., the Dzurdzuks, Ghlighvi, and Kists] do not recognize this, since they have broken away." --KoberTalk 16:20, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Okay I see that now with the Romanization. Amusing, Google translate thinks "dzurdzuk’ta, ghlighuta da kist’ta tŭisad" is "the cattle, and the caterpillars, and the cisterns" :). Thanks Kober! --Calthinus (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Heh, that's really amusing :) You are welcome. Don't hesitate to drop me a line should you have further questions. --KoberTalk 16:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Hey Kober, so I am working on gradually replacing Jaimoukha with others. He's highly regarded in many things but I think at this rate I'd prefer alternatives in the early history realm, but total deletion would cripple certain pages. Anchabadze works for many things, as will Diakonoff and Starostin, and Nichols, and Tsaroieva for the folklore. Many Georgian authors have contributed a lot on Nakh (pre)history and might be much better -- Gamrekeli and Melikishvili immediately come to mind -- might you have access to any of these? Cheers! --Calthinus (talk) 21:41, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

In particular, Melikishvilli's work on proposed Nakh origins in the South Caucasus. --Calthinus (talk) 22:06, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Calthinus: Hello. Unfortunately, I don't have these sources at hand right now, but I will see what I can do in the near future. I think Melikishvili's 1998 book in Georgian perfectly summarizes all his previous theories on Caucasian prehistory. I will try to get that volume. Best, --KoberTalk 18:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

No rush -- I'm sure we're both busy guys. Thanks again for your help! --Calthinus (talk) 18:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)