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Tech News: 2014-15

08:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014

I see that your topic ban in this area expired on Tuesday. You then removed a section from the MOS, a section that had consensus, and then you violated your voluntary restriction of 0RR. Do not change the MoS language around gender without a new discussion reaching consensus to do so. -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you really don't understand just how bigoted and offensive you come across with this comment. If you really don't consider yourself to be transphobic, or at least don't want others to consider you as such, then I would urge you to remove that comment immediately. As to why the comment is offensive, perhaps you could ask some of your many trans acquaintances at the community centre to explain this to you. (I'm not trying to be snarky here; I just think that if the explanation comes from people you know personally, there's a better chance you'll take it to heart.) —Psychonaut (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-16

07:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Topic ban, pursuant to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Sexology

Kosh, I'm unhappy to have to do this (both you you and to me, believe me), but six months away was obviously not enough. When your previous topic ban from trans-related issues expired on April 8, you waited a mere three days before returning to the topic at here and here, with posts like "Bradley Manning is still a guy, biologically and legally, so he needs to be referred to (again, WP:V and WP:BLP and per Reliable sources) as Bradley Manning" and "there's no reliable resource that shows 'Chelsea Manning' exists in place of 'Bradley Manning'.". Multiple editors on both pages have stated that they find your behavior disruptive, and they have asked you repeatedly to accept that you are misunderstanding policy and to stop, but you continue to insist that both your interpretation of policy and your desire to re-hash trans-related issues trumps others' consensus. In short, you are editing disruptively, apparently in pursuit of a personal POV about how BLP does and doesn't apply to trans people, and you are attempting to use editing the MOS to do an end-run around community consensus. These are all failures to "adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process".

While your statement that you will drop a discussion if three users in good standing ask you to is noble, it, much like your 0RR restriction and your promise to never alter anyone else's comments - all noted at the top of your talk page - does not appear to be something that you're able to adhere to in practice (0RR violation, editing another user's comment, three days of discussion involving other users asking you to stop pushing for your preferred interpretation of policy before you finally agreed). Your statement that you will "refrain from making any changes on the Bradley Manning article (or any article that references him ) voluntarily until June 1 2014 as a show of good faith" is similarly a good idea, but simply not adequate to address the issues your behavior is causing, especially given that most of the disruption is happening on talk pages, not in articles. Your self-restrictions are all good efforts, and I commend you for trying to work with the community to resolve your issues, but the level of disruption being caused by your behavior is simply too high to be handled with restrictions you may or may not follow at some point, if you remember. Therefore, I see no alternative but to issue you a permanent topic ban from all pages and discussions related to transgender issues, broadly construed.

To be clear, since I know you dispute that sexology discretionary sanctions apply to the MOS: your immediate return to tendentious behavior on Talk:Chelsea_Manning this week was enough, in and of itself, to trigger a new topic ban; your behavior on Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style has simply made it even more clear that this is a topic area which you will disruptively pursue beyond the borders of article space, and thus that your topic ban must apply there as well.

As you know, appeals of discretionary sanctions may be made to Arbcom or to the community at WP:AN (per policy, appeal is not to WP:AE, which is where your last topic ban was appealed to). A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 14:17, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


This was done after I agreed to drop the stick on WP:MOS, so it's a bit late, but none the less, it is what it is.

However, WP:MOS is not under The Sexology Discretionary sanction, so it cannot be applied. (It's actually under a different sanction that I didn't violate.) As I said on your page, I won't rant and rave about it, or hurry to AES to have it remove it. It is what it is.  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh   17:22, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "it cannot be applied". Your topic ban can (and does) absolutely prohibit you from starting or participating in transgender-related discussions anywhere on Wikipedia (WP:AC/DS permits "bans on any editing related to a topic within the area of conflict or its closely related topics" - you are in conflict on transgender issues, and I have topic banned you from any editing related to that topic, no matter where on the project that editing would occur). In addition, I would ask that you please not edit my commentary by collapsing it; your own voluntary restriction noted above bars you from doing so. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:34, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


You're right about the hatting, and I was dead wrong to do it. My point was and is, WP:MOS is under a different sanction, not sexology, therefore it can't apply, that's all I'm saying (no, I won't run back to that board, I said I was dropping it (before the ban ) and I mean it. ) ).  KoshVorlon. We are all Kosh   17:49, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm afraid you're very much misunderstanding the concept of both topic bans and discretionary sanctions. Your topic ban applies everywhere (that's why it's a topic ban from all discussions and not a articlespace ban from all article edits - and let me add now in case it wasn't clear that this topic ban also includes non-article pages, such as the MOS itself, as well as discussions about those pages), and if you continue pursuing transgender issues anywhere onwiki, you will be subject to enforcement action the same way as you would if you had done it in an article. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 17:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-18

07:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-19

07:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-20

06:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Your signature

I was partially commenting on TheDJ to mention we already have the policy WP:SIGAPP to deal with it. I don't support a ban on customized signatures, but I definitely have a problem with yours and so do others. Will you change it voluntarily? The eyesore background is not acceptable and the text is far too long. A signature should enable identification and communication, not visually dominate a discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Just for the record, I do have a problem with your signature. It is like a boombox in a library and it is actively barring me from properly participating in a discussion. Please use earplugs. —TheDJ (talkcontribs) 06:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
I did not add a note to the VPT thread as I felt others had already commented and the thread did not need to be further derailed. However, I also find it annoying. Given that is is the biggest one, how about it goes away into the past like B4. It can then be rebuilt; smaller, better and with more pleasing color like B5. — Makyen (talk) 07:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I noticed the signature discussion, and figured I'd chime in constructively: the biggest problem is the sheer size. Here's an option that should be more acceptable:

It removes the large quote and trailing italics, tightens the padding a touch, and shortens the colours to 3-digit codes. That seems like it would be broadly acceptable. I hope this is helpful. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 19:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I slimmed my signature up after TheDJ mentioned that he didn't like it. I left a few words on from "Inner Universe" as I'm a huge Ghost in the Shell fan, no different from say Cambridge bay's signature where he ended it with the phrase "have a gorilla". However, consensus here doesn't favor the change I made in my signature, so , ok, I'll remove the quote. KoshVorlon   Angeli i demoni kruzhili nado mnoj 23:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC) It will show up on my next signature

Tech News: 2014-21

07:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-22

08:29, 26 May 2014 (UTC)