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Looks like it started again[edit]

See Bashkirs, Andronovo culture, Turan, and Persian mythology. --Zyma (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@Zyma: This is interesting. Grathmy (talk · contribs) edits to Andronovo culture are very similar to Tirgil34 (talk · contribs). I think it's time for another SPI. Regarding the edits to Turan and Persian mythology, i suppose you are refering to those of Saint Mahabali (talk · contribs) and Tyu900 (talk · contribs). I you could provide relevant diffs i would be happy to add those users to a future SPI. Krakkos (talk) 20:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
See [1] and [2]. His typical behavior. --Zyma (talk) 08:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
@Zyma: i found something interesting. It seems like this blog (identical to turkicworld.org) is another basement for User:Tirgil34. See this "Wikipedia" section of the blog, which saves articles created by Barefact deleted by "Iranian supremacists".[3] Here Tirgil34's likey account at TheApricity Kipchak Håkan refers[4] to the same material as that mentioned on the blog.[5] In a video section the blog refers[6] to Youtube videos created by Tirgil34's likely Youtube account ✣ Tengri • Spirit of the Steppe ✣ Barefact seems to have a close relation to many Tirgil34 socks.[7][8][9] Also compare this post by Barefact[10] to this post by Tirgil34 IPv6 sock.[11] Also see this. What do you think? Krakkos (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
They're same person. Multiple account and each account have its own personality. Typical pov-pusher/troll behavior. Sometimes they work as a team, because their IPs are from various locations, e.g. Germany, Turkey, Russia, Kazakhstan, and etc. They're members of various Anthroboards. I think their current victims are Indo-Iranian/Persian-related articles, but according to their anti-European goal, if they manage to manipulate current targets successfully, their next targets are European-related articles. They follow a Sun Language Theory-like model. Pseudo-science, false etymology, funny conclusions about DNA results, taxonomy/racial claims, rejecting accepted sources, using dubious and outdated sources; and finally if all of those attempts failed, they will try various revisionist methods. For example, they hide their desired contents into some parts of targeted article and those contents are complete biased materials which do not match with the main weight of article (see this). Did you see that guy's conclusions? I saw horrible comparisons of ethnic groups done by him. Rejects mixed origins, Turkification (or other assimilation forms), and then when others mention other facts, he creates Turkic stories for those facts. As I said before, it looks like this "internet quest" is his primary job. Just go to his den (The Apricity), review his posts, google some of his posts and you will see that he is active on almost every related forum or websites. In his poisoned mind, every thing is eurocentrist and anti-Turk. Also, I don't know why he wants to create this "White Turanid" version of history. Because his ethnic group (Turkish) is not similar to Central Asians? His anti-Iranian propaganda amazes me. He denies almost all of Persian culture and history, and created his Turkic version for them! What do you think about him? --Zyma (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
@Zyma: I'm quite unsure. Barefact started editing several years before Tirgil34 appeared, and he's sophisticated and has appearently not been socking, while Tirgil34 when he joined in 2011 seemed inexperienced. Barefact also does not appear to speak German. If you look at Tirgil34's user page on Turkish WP, he claims to speak English, German, Turkish, Russian and Tatar. On his German WP user page he claims to be living near Mettmann and to be from Kazan (Tatar capital). It is true that Tirgil34 lives near Mettmann. If he is honest about where he lives then why would he lie about being Tatar from Kazan? It doesn't make sense. On the other hand Tirgil34 has not made any edits on WP which indicates that he speaks Russian or Tatar. Interestingly, the first video by the Youtube account is a folksong in Tatar,[12] and the person behind the account also speaks German.[13] It's probably Tirgil34, perhaps Barefact or they are working together. Here he reveals his birthday.[14][15] I agree that his anti-Iranian agenda is amazing. The fact that Iranian peoples orginally lived in Central Asia and developed equestrian nomadism, which was copied by other peoples later, is problematic for turanists. It's similar to Indian nationalist denial of Indo-Aryan migration through Indigenous Aryans theory. Turks are a mix of various peoples and there is a problem with identify crisis, causing many to fabricrate history to promote glorious origins (like Sun Language theory), and this has support from powerful circles. His "White Turanid" theory also seems strange. He may be a Tatar, and some Tatars look "White", i. e. Rinat Akhmetov. This could be a motivation. See his "ancestry" at TheApricity: "Turanian or Scythian = Ural-Altaic, the only true Aryans :P." At any rate, we have two users, Barefact and Tirgil34, who are closely connected through WP, TheApriticy, Youtube and the TurkicWorld website, and they are probably meat socks of each other. This is a major threat to Wikipedia. Krakkos (talk) 23:46, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Long-term Abuse: Details[edit]

Hi Krakkos. Let's discuss that issue on this section. I think it's not limited to two persons, and just caused by identity crisis. It's more than a simple case. They are very active on almost every historical sites/blogs, human biodiversity forums (anthro boards), and internet hate sites. Recently, I found these cases (not on WP): read the comments section, [16], this one is very important. On Wikipedia, their anti-Iranian, anti-Iranic and anti-Persian quest is not limited to specific Iranian ethnic groups, but it includes all of them. For example, Tirgil34 started several Pashtun-related threads on The Apricity (an example), and then targeted Pashtun-related articles on WP to create a pure Turkic origin for them. And it's not only limited to Iranian/Iranic topics. For example, Sumerians and Hungarian version of Turanism are also one of their quests. According to Tirgil34's posts, he created a 100% Turkic ethnogenesis for Indo-Iranians (Aryans) too. One of most ridiculous claims by him is his own version of Persian history and Central Asia. He and his friends denies almost all of Iranic/Indo-Iranian/IE elements of Central Asia and Eastern Europe. Extreme pro-Turkic and anti-Iranian/anti-Persian, anti-European and even anti-Semitic movement. To analyze their behavior, you should browse talk pages and their archives too. Sometimes work with registered accounts, other times just IPs and temporary accounts (limited accounts used to spam and manipulate talk pages, no constructive edits). --Zyma (talk) 09:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Baghatur[edit]

Seems like this guy [17] really like you [18] [19] --HistoryofIran (talk) 05:21, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Anti-Turkism[edit]

It's clear to see that you hate Turks and you trying to add word "iran" in every single Turkish/Turkic related pages. You keep removing Oghur lang. from Avars, adding "iranic origin" -lol- to pages Atabek, Baghatur etc. Either add a source to page 'Baghatur' which CLEARLY says "the word Baghatur is an iranic word" -lmao- or stop changing the page. This site isn't place for impose your fanatical and inhumane hatred to other readers. regards. BöriShad (talk) 14:04, 11 July 2015 (UTC)