User talk:Krenair

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This is now my 5th time reverting that edit on the page. It's purely a rumor and it's been around for years now.--Dana60Cummins (talk) 18:24, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I see. Sorry! --Krenair (talk) 18:28, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. I appreciate your understanding. --Dana60Cummins (talk) 18:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Your request for rollback[edit]

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Hi Krenair. After reviewing your request for rollback, I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

  • Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
  • Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
  • Rollback should never be used to edit war.
  • If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
  • Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! CharlieEchoTango (contact) 00:47, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting silly vandalism to my user page, good work! . . dave souza, talk 17:41, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Johnnie White (Irish republican)[edit]

Please be more careful when reverting with huggle. This revert meant that you added back in some defamatory information about the article subject and the user trying to remove it had to come into the IRC help channel to get it removed. Just be a little more careful in future, thanks. OohBunnies! Leave a message :) 01:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Okay, sorry. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 01:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Just for your information, it could not had been defamatory, or defamation, in the eyes of the law, in any part of the United Kingdom or in the Republic of Ireland, if the subject had already been dead and deceased. — KC9TV 01:07, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Imidacloprid. And imidacloprid and bees[edit]

Hello, I do not want to be disruptive and I want to collaborate. Every change I make they revert. Their story is one sided and extreme. Certainly not neutral. Imidacloprid and bees is not about water. Yet they quote a partial paragraph In a document that in the same paragraph says it is safe and does not leach.

I added a viable quote about trees and bees and they take it out. He just reverts. Please tell me what I can do as I work with this material, know a lot about it, and find it very upsetting to have them trash this.

Also while some of their info is accurate. They do not allow the US govt reports and university experts who say this issue is about monoculture, mites, disease, and the fact these are artificial man made hives that are sprayed purposely with pesticides to kill parasites.

This material is 100 times safer than the toxins it replaced. It is currently saving 100's of thousands of trees from EMerald ash borer, Asian long horned borer, hemlock wholly Adelaide, and others.

Thank you. I will not edit war and want to be a neutral and collaborative; which I was able to establish with Gandy on imidacloprid. Looking forward to your response. Treeguyenvironmentalist (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

The problem was that you guys were undoing different things from each other. It looked like an edit war. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 18:29, 10 March 2012 (UTC)


I see you have reverted edits to both the sandbox and its subsequent talk sandbox. Don't revert changes to these (notably blankings). The bot will restore the headers. People can write and delete whatever they want on those pages (as long as its not disruptive or offensive). Calabe1992 20:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I noticed the bot was fixing it sometimes but it seemed quite slow so I went ahead and restored the header myself. Wasn't aware I was supposed to completely ignore blankings on that page. Noted, thanks. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:24, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Hang on a minute, you did exactly the same thing... --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:35, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I reverted them because without the header, their text was misleading (DO NOT RESTORE, IT WILL REMAIN BLANK FOR TODAY). They were deliberately removing the header to make the page appear broken. Calabe1992 21:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
I thought you said that should be left to the bot. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 21:20, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Krenair, I see no reason you shouldn't clean up the sand box. Sometimes doing so is very useful, and at the worst it is doing something which would have been done by a bot soon, so nothing has been lost except a minute of your time. I don't understand why anyone would object. Also, I would have thought that if "People can write and delete whatever they want on those pages", then that includes you cleaning it up if you want to. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:51, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)James, what I was originally referring to was something like this, where a Huggle reversion to the Sandbox was made (sorry I wasn't specific before). Doing so will generate a warning on the user's talk page, which doesn't really apply here (unless, of course, you use the revert/no warn button). I generally do not revert the Sandbox using Huggle unless someone has made an offensive or other unacceptable edit. Calabe1992 01:43, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that puts a very different light on the matter, Krenair. In fact on this occasion the Huggle edit produced not just a talk page warning, but a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism, which was certainly not appropriate for an edit which consisted simply of emptying the sanddbox. The problem here was not reverting the sandbox, but rather inappropriate use of Huggle. When you revert with Huggle, if you use the big red button on the left with an exclamation mark, then Huggle will usually automatically produce a talk page warning or a report at AIV. However, there are other ways of using Huggle. For example, you can use the smaller red button further to the right to avoid automatic messages, or you can click on the little downward pointing triangle immediately next to the big red button to customise the messaging. It is essential to stop and think when using Huggle. It is not good enough to simply see that a page has been blanked, and click on the big button without a further thought: rather, it is necessary to consider each case, and make an intelligent assessment as to whether the blanking should be reverted, and if so whether a warning message on the user's talk page is appropriate. Checking each time in this way slows down the use of Huggle considerably, but it is essential to do so. You are just as responsible for your edits when using automated tools as when editing manually. In this case reverting the sandbox edit was harmless or even slightly helpful, but the AIV report was totally wrong. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
So I understand now that reverting blankings of the sandbox is pointless and warning/reporting for it is wrong. As for my thought process before clicking the button, I can assure you it wasn't simply that I noticed the page had been blanked. I'm also already quite familiar with what most of Huggle's buttons do. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 15:27, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Victim of Xen[edit]


There are 4 external references of notability in the reference section and there is only a single un-biased descriptor.

I'd like to ask why you have reapplied warnings that are not helpful to the Victim of Xen article and also inappropriate.


--Smolders (talk) 23:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC) Sam

Because it has significant coverage from only two of the sources. One of which isn't reliable. You should also explain in edit summaries why you are removing such tags. They're not supposed to be helpful to the article, but to editors. They're also completely appropriate. Please do not add messages to the top of my talk page, use the 'New section' button. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 23:50, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


That was not a duplicate link that you removed. Amaranth Games and Aldorlea Games are two different organizations that are significant within the rpg ingie gaming niche. You can even view their Wikipedia articles. Please revert back the references, because Smolders can not add games to those website (the must be added by Amaranth Games and Aldorlea Games themselves). The sources are all regular contributors to independent gaming and I'm not sure how you can say they are unreliable.

Furthermore, the vested interest doesn't make those warnings appropriate. The article itself is entirely unbiased an unpromotional. Warnings like that deter and disrespect the credability of an article, that would otherwise be taken as it is.

There's no call for either warning considering the neutrality and citations.


--Smolders (talk) 00:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC) Sam

Actually it sort of was. The URL provided for the duplicate reference was If you check the article then you'll see that the URL occured twice. The second of which is correct because it bears the correct date and title. I think you put the wrong URL for the one I removed. As for the notability template, I'm not sure anymore, and I'd like to avoid being involved in a dispute over it. I'll wait to see what the person who originally added it (Breawycker) says. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 00:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for bringing that to my attention! I'll get the proper link up right away!


--Smolders (talk) 01:04, 4 April 2012 (UTC) Sam


Bwilkins is abusing administration powers by deleting the article, "Victim of Xen" despite it's significance (citations, neutrality, quality, etc). Can you please me in keeping Wikipedia, and Bwilkins, informed about the infraction?

Sam Smolders (talk) 13:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I can't do anything about it. Even if I could I wouldn't necessarily agree that it was abusive. Please politely take it up with Bwilkins, or see WP:DRV.--Krenair (talkcontribs) 13:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


This is untrue! You, as an entity, have the power to discover truth and influence decision (others). If you feel that the Bwilkins' action was justified, then please explain your reasoning, so that you may improve me (odd choice of words, maybe, but that's how it is). If you feel, as I, that the article contained real information (RE: The citations and further improvement of facts), then I encourage you to mention this to Bwilkins for the same reason we are speaking.

Sam Smolders (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I can't find out what the contents of the article were when it was deleted. I therefore can't decide whether it was justified or not. I did ask #wikipedia-en earlier, and an admin said "Technically software doesn't fall under A7. However, that article wouldn't get saved at AFD and I think it's be beaurocratic to restore it." --Krenair (talkcontribs) 15:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


The article was the same as when you viewed it ("Victim of Xen is a role-playing video game...etc") with the same citations.

I added "It has been noted for it's gender-swap story." and moved those two review citations down next to that (since that's the first thing those sources talk about).

Shortly before it was deleted, I was working to display the basic cover art image.


Sam Smolders (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

UK isn't authoritarian.[edit]

Are you living in a cave? - (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Those laws haven't even been properly announced yet, forget approved by parliament. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the heads up on that comment! Cheers, Bagheera (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Talkback: New message[edit]

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  • I replied some time ago ... thought p'haps you weren't 'watching' ... ? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 13:08, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback: Another new message for you[edit]

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Hi Krenair, why have your reverted my edits to the Square Kilometre Array page? I'm not sure I understand the protocol here. I altered some inacurate content and deleted some biased information to keep the page neutral. Skatelescope (talk) 15:50, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Just a disinterested observer here. Several editors have reverted you. Firstly you've been removing substantial content without either using an edit summary to explain the removal or discussing what amount to major changes on the article talk page first. Secondly your edits appear to be removing negative views of the project and adding positive ones. Given your user name suggests you are associated with the project there is a concern that you have a conflict of interest and are using Wikipedia to promote the organisation. QU TalkQu 15:59, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I stated my reason in the edit summary. You removed content without explaining why. Also, basically what QuiteUnusual said. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 16:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)


How do I send you a message? Is this it? Hypesmasher (talk) 00:32, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I can see your message, so yes, that's right. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 00:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Flag of China.[edit]

What I did was not vandalism. The Flag of China is the Flag of the People's Republic of China, per and according to both the United Nations and "the Central Intelligence Agency's World Factbook", full stop, just as the same as the name "Britain" means usually the same thing as the name "the United Kingdom". Common sense. "Bold, but not reckless", remember? — KC9TV 01:42, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Britain means the same thing as United Kingdom? Please tell me you're not serious. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 13:52, 2 June 2012 (UTC)


This is a school IP. I think that disabling editing on this IP might help. I'm sorry for all the stuff thats happening. (I also use that IP except I log in)Lifeicles (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

It appears an admin has done just that. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 19:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I noticed. Lifeicles (talk) 14:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy/Invite-instructor Electriccatfish2 (talk) 18:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


On behalf of the CVU academy myself, Achowat, (Co-coordinators) and Theopolisme (deputy coordinator welcome you to training budding anti-vandals. It is reccomended that you watchlist: Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit/Academy/Status, Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit/Academy/Enroll, ourmain talk page, and our questions page. Also, make sure you read Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism_Unit/Academy/Instruction_methods. Cheers, Dan653 (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

abutorsam007 (talk · contribs · count)[edit]

Dan might be taking him, but if he doesn't want to, would you be willing to take him? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 01:32, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I think I'm going to wait to see what tools he wants to use first. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 15:22, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Thanks for reporting SovietMonster, or whatever the heck his username is.

Ebikeguy (talk) 19:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)


Hi! Can you please take him? Electriccatfish2 (talk) 22:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


Can you please take Sesamevoila? I think that you will make a great instructor and want to get you started. Electriccatfish2 (talk) 23:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I was going to accept but it looks like you've done it now. Krenair (talkcontribs) 00:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Please read talk pages[edit]

Please read talk pages before making edits, as on your last edit to the Krispy Kreme rapper page is completely outside of what I have discussed in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:59, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


Would you take him? He would like to use Twinkle. Dan653 (talk) 13:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

CVUA - Jschnur[edit]

Hi Krenair, I've downloaded HUGGLE but can't log in. Probably because I haven't got roll back rights yet. BTW would it be a good idea to have special page for our CVUA interactions? Jschnur (talk) 23:37, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, you'll need to request and be granted rollback before you can try it. We could create User talk:Jschnur/CVUA? --Krenair (talkcontribs) 23:44, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
User talk:Jschnur/CVUA created. I'll request rollback shortly. Jschnur (talk) 02:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

FYI - My request for rollback is in progress. Jschnur (talk) 22:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

John Hardy (Jewelry)[edit]


What about the John Hardy (jewelry) page appears like an advertisement or is not neutral? What can be changed to remove the tags?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blockc (talkcontribs) 01:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're asking me this, I just replaced the tags which you removed. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 12:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that the tags belong there and I think they should be removed. I'd like to know why you think they should be there? Thanks for your help with this!Blockc (talk) 01:18, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I can't remember why I thought that anymore. Reading over the article again, it seems to be okay. I've removed the tags. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 01:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your great work on Wikipedia! Blockc (talk) 01:31, 31 July 2012 (UTC)



so can I change it or I have to create a new account?

Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdachungary (talkcontribs) 14:12, 23 August 2012‎

It may be possible to get a rename, but I would suggest just registering a new account. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 13:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

ok, I created a new account (llabossa) but now I received a notification that it's a sockpuppet. How does it effect my edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Llabossa (talkcontribs) 18:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Simply post a message on both userpages that you've changed accounts. That is a perfectly acceptable reason for having multiple accounts. For more information, take a look at WP:SOCK, particularly the section on acceptable uses of alternate accounts. Quinxorin (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi Krenair. First of all, congratulations on you becoming a bureaucrat on MediaWiki. I expect that your extra duties there may be the reason I have'nt heard from you in over a month. I hope it is nothing more serious than that. I assume that you have User_talk:Jschnur/CVUA on your watchlist and that you are aware that I'm waiting for your next post to that page. If you are too busy to continue with your CVUA instructing please let me know. Regards. Jschnur (talk) 00:08, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't been around for a while, I've been having trouble with my internet connection, been on holiday, at friends' houses, and have generally been a bit busy over the past month. I'm sorry I didn't notice your post on your CVUA page, it seems I didn't get an email about it (I just checked "E-mail me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed" in my preferences though, so I shouldn't miss an edit there again). --Krenair (talkcontribs) 00:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I totally understand. Please don't take my concern as impatience. We are all volunteers and give our time when and if we are able to. My own contributions wax and wane depending on circumstance. I hope you enjoyed your holiday. As far as CVUA is concerned, I hope I have improved in your eyes. I certainly try to AGF more than in the past and I have been taking more interest in new page patrolling. I am also taking a greater interest in the higher standards required for BLPs. Still making mistakes of course but sometimes my bad reverts result in engagement with editors that ultimately lead to pleasing outcomes. The important thing is to apologise when you get it wrong and to encourage users to keep contributing constructively. Cheers. Jschnur (talk) 01:13, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Manual:Edit token[edit]

Hello Alexander, now I am able to read mediawikiwiki:Manual:Edit token in Firefox 15. Yesterday this was not the case, all I got to see was some "Russian" text. But I think the problem is or was my laptop in combination with Firefox 15. I was not able to update the Java plugin for Firefox, it crashed every time. It is ok now. I promise I will not change any more <source lang = "javascript"> tags on Mediawiki..... don't worry. Best regards --Felipe de Jong (talk) 06:38, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Please do not use my talk page on the English Wikipedia for discussing my edits on Use mw:User talk:Krenair. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 14:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

In gratitude[edit]

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This Barnstar is awarded to Wikipedians who have performed stellar work in the area of instruction & help for other editors.
Many thanks to my instructor at the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy, Krenair (talkcontribs), for your patient and friendly demeanour during my time at CVUA and for helping me become more effective at anti-vandalism. Your encouragement and positive attitude made the process enjoyable and instructive. I feel I've not only become a better wikipedian but gained a valued friend. Jschnur (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2012 (UTC)


Sorry for the confusion on your UESP page, we are currently overloaded with spammers and any external links are suspicious. The person who marked your userpage as spam though must never have seen this before, look at my userpage here for the counter-example. I reworded it slightly but it still has the same effect. The Silence Reveals All (talk) 20:52, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I saw, and understand. Thank you! --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:55, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Some baklava for you! Afiyet olsun... Drgulcu (talk) 17:05, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Editing of pages.[edit]

The edit was a copy and paste mistake, sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


This was a mistake, I did not edit any of the pages. It was most probably another student. It will not happen again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


Tournesol.png Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page.--I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 20:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


this was not a mistake!!! you have ruined my lifes work!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:05, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Prijatelji (comics)[edit]

Hello, I always getting the mesaages of deletation of page of prijatelji (comics) please, can you tell me what's wrong or to help me how to improve the things for making prijatelji (comics) staying on wikipedia.

I've published all the references, links etc. but i still get messages that is wrong.

Syrant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syrant (talkcontribs) 18:15, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Well the AfD is over concerns about whether Prijatelji is notable enough. You need to make it clear on the page why this is important enough to get a Wikipedia page. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 18:18, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

did you vote?[edit]

hi there, your vote in ArbCom elections triggered a spoof CSRF alarm. Would you be so kind as to please confirm that you actually voted? :) Apologies for the inconvenience. Pundit|utter 07:33, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes I did. Is there some sort of information about this CSRF alarm? --Krenair (talkcontribs) 17:35, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure of the details, but there is a column in our view of SecurePoll that shows a red X when it thinks there might've been a cross-site request forgery (CSRF) of the vote. It triggers for a large number of people, so I suspect it is just that the voting software has trouble interpreting all browser/connection settings. Thanks for confirming. MBisanz talk 18:40, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

This edit[edit]

Oops, I didn't intend to get yours as well. I intended to just get the preceding comment, which I *did* have permission to remove, and was removing under the WP:BEANS principle. Let's try to assume good faith, huh? In the meantime, I apologize for accidentally removing your comment as well. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 03:42, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for explaining what happened there. I struggle to assume good faith when people are removing other's comments. You can remove my comment now if you want. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 13:40, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

removing content from /List of Iranian people by net worth[edit]

Hi. I did it because most of the references are just based on estimates and in some, there was not even a guess and the references were just there without actual data. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:42, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay, please remember that you should explain such edits by changing the 'summary' box under the edit form, just before the 'save page' button. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 15:43, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

June 2013[edit]

Information icon Hello, and thank you for removing vandalism from J. R. Smith. This is much appreciated, but unfortunately your repair was not successful in restoring the article to its pre-vandalised state. For future reference, it is better to deal with vandalism by checking the article's page history to determine how it appeared before it was vandalised. You can then restore the whole article, or the relevant part of it, to an appropriate earlier version. If you simply delete the visible vandalism then any content removed or overwritten by the vandal is lost. See How to deal with vandalism for details. Thank you. Blah blah, template. Just giving you a heads up that you reverted to a vandalised version. 930913(Congratulate) 17:10, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


Would you be willing to give jsMessage a second parameter, so it has an id/class we can use to hide it via CSS? πr2 (tc) 23:35, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Not really because jsMessage is deprecated, VisualEditor should be using mw.notify. Maybe you should ask Krinkle. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 23:50, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
It seems VE will be showing normal PostEdit notifications when and are deployed, which can be hidden by existing CSS. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 00:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Huggle 3[edit]

Hey Krenair! I am Petrb, one of core developers of Huggle, the antivandalism tool, which you are beta testing (according to I am happy to announce that Huggle 3 is ready for some testing. You can read more about it at WP:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta. Please keep in mind that this is a development version and it is not ready for regular use. That means you must:

  • Watch your contribs - when anything happens you didn't want, fix it and report a bug
  • Frequently checkout source code and build latest version, we change it a lot

If you find any problem with a feature that is supposed to work perfectly, please let us know. Some features are not ready yet, it is listed in known problems on Huggle3 beta page, you don't need to report these - we know it! So, that's it. Have fun testing and please let us know about any problems, either using bugzilla @ or #huggle connect. Please respond to my talk page, I am not going to watch your talk page. Thank you Petrb (talk) 10:57, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Huggle 3 beta is out - and we need more feedback![edit]

Hey Krenair, how are you? I am Petrb, one of huggle developers, and you are currently subscribed as a beta tester of huggle on meta (meta:Huggle/Members. You may not have noticed, but this week I released first beta precompiled installers for ubuntu and microsoft windows! Wikipedia:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta has all the links you need. So if you can, please download it, test it and report all bugs that is really what we need now. Don't forgot that as it's just a beta it's unstable and there are some known issues. Be carefull! Thank you for helping us with huggle Petrb (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Elton John's TIny Dancer page[edit]

I recently attempted (twice) to modify the wiki page for Elton John's Tiny Dancer, because it has an error. The page mentions that the song references Billy Joel in a line ("Piano man..."), but this seems impossible; Tiny Dancer was released two years before Piano Man was. So the trivia seems impossible (how would Bernie Taupin reference a song from the future?). Even cursory research on wikipedia backs this up.

How can I go about changing the page so that the inaccurate trivia is removed?

Thanks. (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2014 (UTC)matt rob

Rather than adding "even though Piano Man was not released until 1973, two years in the future. This clearly suggests that Sir Elton John is in fact a Time Lord", I would remove the text that is wrong, providing an explanation in the edit summary. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 17:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

We need your help testing latest huggle[edit]


I am sending you this message because you listed yourself on meta:Huggle/Members as a beta tester. We desperately need attention of testers, because since we resolved all release blockers, we are ready to release first official version of huggle 3! Before that happens, it would be nice if you could test it so that we can make sure there are no issues with it. You can download it packaged for your operating system (see Wikipedia:Huggle/Huggle3_Beta) or you can of course build it yourself, see for that. Don't forget to use always latest version, there is no auto-update message for beta versions!

Should you find any issue, please report it to wikimedia bugzilla, that is a central place for huggle bugs, where we look at them. That is i mportant, if you find a bug and won't report it, we can't fix it. Thank you for your work on this, if you have any questions, please send me a message on my talk page, I won't be looking for responses here. Thanks, Petrb (talk) 15:13, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

what was wrong with that??????[edit]

you got it all wrong pal — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

New huggle 3.1 is going to be released soon[edit]

Hi Krenair, we are to release a new major version of huggle, but we did receive almost no feedback from our beta testing team, which you are a part of (see It would be of a great help if you could download it (if you have windows, all you need to do is getting and putting it to a folder where you have installed huggle) and test it. You can always get a help with making it @ #huggle connect!

Major changes:

  • Multisite support - you can now log in to unlimited number of wikis in 1 huggle session and get a huge queue of all edits made to these wikis. This is good for smaller projects which gets overlooked often.
  • Ranged diffs - you can select multiple revisions and get a huge diff that display all changes done to them.
  • Fixes of most of bug reports we had so far

In case you found a bug, please report it to bugzilla: thank you! Petrb (talk) 10:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

{{bare urls}}[edit]

Hi, User:Krenair, your userpage states you are a MediaWiki developer. Do you know why the {{bare urls}} does what it does?. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:54, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lotje. I'm very confused about your linking to the Tool labs page... I thought you were talking about a specific wikitext template on a specific wiki (presumably English Wikipedia since you're here), rather than an external tool? Either way, I am a MediaWiki developer, we don't write those things (they are made by users on each individual wiki, rather than being part of our software), and I don't understand your question anyway. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 16:51, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
It was a wonderful tool, the template not only evoked the text This article uses bare URLs for citations, which may be threatened by link rot. Please consider adding full citations so that the article remains verifiable. Several templates are available to assist in formatting etc... it simply did it! Amazing and very, very exciting. Sorry to read I confused you, also I was not aware at of the fact the Tool lab was not part of your magic at MediaWiki. I wish it was! Sorry also for having bothered you. But thanks anyway. Face-smile.svg Lotje (talk) 16:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Wooly Mammoth template edit[edit]

I only removed the obscene language; I tried to revert to the correct syntax but it had been edited so many times in the past with vandalism it was difficult to determine what the proper syntax was. I emailed the Wiki team to notify them of the issue. Breaking the template was obviously not my goal; it was already broken when I got to it and was not displaying properly to begin with. Herefordnuthouse (talk) 21:46, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about that. I actually found that page because of the email. In future, please take a look at the history of the page so you can revert it properly (you just need to find the last good revision and edit it really). --Krenair (talkcontribs) 23:26, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


Please pass and leave a comment at your earliest convenience. --Andyrom75 (talk) 23:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

There's no need to post here. I got the email about your post on my itwikivoyage talk page. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 00:06, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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Please keep in mind that these don't have any automatic updates and if you download and start using nightly build, you will need to update it yourself! So don't get yourself to running old version, it's possible to install both stable and nightly huggle, which is what I suggest.

Keep the bug reports coming to phabricator: Many thanks! Petrb (talk) 09:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

HoverImage template[edit]

Hello Krenair -- Thank you for your advice re my task request on Wikimedia Phabricator. I have now posted my request re migrating Wikibooks' Template:HoverImage on the Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) page. -- WikiPedant (talk) 04:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

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Hi. Sorry for disturbing you in your talk page. Regarding your comment in phab:T99455, that would be OK. Please change the email of the account if you can. --Meno25 (talk) 17:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

That's OK. I'd prefer to let an official Phabricator admin do it. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 17:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Page Deletion[edit]

Hi Krenair,Just curious as to why you went ahead and delted my page. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:10, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Which page on which wiki are we talking about? I can't (properly) delete pages from the English Wikipedia (and don't). --Krenair (talkcontribs) 17:14, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsonaccount (talkcontribs) 17:23, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

These pages did not appear to be related to Wikimedia technical infrastructure, and so were deleted from --Krenair (talkcontribs) 17:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Ahh I see,do you have any suggestions as to where I could post a website in order to compile information for a business? I was drawn to the ease and simplicity of wikitech. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

You should probably have your own wiki somewhere. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thanks for reviewing my account access situation today in #wikimedia-tech. Having a direct answer is useful. I appreciate when someone takes the available information and can be bold to stake a subjective judgement when there is not objective guidance for handling a situation.

Getting a response from you was an entirely helpful and positive experience. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sorry that I'm not confident enough about the case to fulfil the request. Maybe someone else will be... --Krenair (talkcontribs) 01:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Krenair, you've got mail, cheers, --Ghilt (talk) 12:06, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Ghilt:. Sorry, I can't find this mail... Where did you send it to exactly? --Krenair (talkcontribs) 13:14, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
Hm, via wikimail, i didn't receive the copy either, but i just sent it again --Ghilt (talk) 14:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
I didn't receive anything, sorry... How about sending a direct email to my username --Krenair (talkcontribs) 17:34, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
just did, cheers --Ghilt (talk) 20:26, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


Hello Krenair, Can you add me to can view to review this task? — xaosflux Talk 22:32, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

You should be able to see it now. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 22:39, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. — xaosflux Talk 23:39, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Phabricator use[edit]

Hi, as an occasional user of Phabricator who's never entirely sure how it works, I greatly appreciated reading mw:User:Krenair/Phabricator projects. One question I'm very curious about, that it doesn't address: What are the negative consequences of tickets that are "undiscovered"? I.e., if I enter a bug for something, and there are no regular Phabricator users who are well-positioned to take action, what's the downside? What's the impact of clutter -- or are there other issues? -Pete (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Great to hear that my page was useful, thanks. :) The downside is that it's likely no one watching Phabricator will be able to help you with the ticket. I'd rather we didn't get more of such tickets which are only going to sit around and achieve nothing (the number of open tasks goes up a few hundred almost every month, it's always felt demotivating to me), but the number itself is not the real issue here. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 03:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply. Could you elaborate a little? From my perspective (as somebody filing a bug), I'm fairly used to ad hoc communities. While I might want a timely response, I don't expect one, any more than I expect a talk page message on a rarely-viewed Wikipedia article to get a timely response. Documenting a needed task in a structurally sensible place is what I'm looking to do; and if it doesn't get a response, I can always take other steps to draw attention to it (if needed). When I do that, having the bug to point to is useful.
So from my perspective, it's not at all a case of "achieving nothing." But, to get back to my original question -- what is the impact of having hundreds more open tasks? Are we at risk of stretching the technical limits of Phabricator? Or does it become more difficult to find the bugs that are of interest in some way that I'm not seeing? -Pete (talk) 16:46, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
I doubt most users see it that way. No, we're not stretching the technical limits of Phabricator in that way as far as I know (there are other limits of Phabricator we're pushing but that's another subject). The fact that we keep having more tasks open is bad because it means that we must be falling behind on many things that need doing. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:30, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, it's difficult to know what most users think, without polling them; but I'm not sure if that's the right question. If a user enters a bug, I think it is reasonable (and respectful) to start from the assumption that they had a reason for doing so. Perhaps it is worthwhile to point out to an inexperienced Phabricator user when it is unlikely their ticket will generate a response on its own. But closing a ticket does nothing to address the underlying problem that the user may not know how to get attention to the issue; it merely removes one possible avenue that could be one component of an effort to generate that attention. (Please note also, in this particular case, my tickets were in fact helpful in getting the issues addressed, despite your belief they would not be.) -Pete (talk) 19:19, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Closing such tickets without explaining that it's the wrong forum is probably a bad idea, yes. Phabricator is not a support forum and should not be used as such to find the correct forum. I think you may have just been lucky with your ticket. In any case, Phabricator should not be considered open for generic requests for gadgets not limited to the scope of a single identifiable piece of code with a relevant maintainer actively monitoring tickets. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 20:34, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Also -- thank you for clarifying the issue of pushing the technical limits. I suspected that was not the case, but wasn't sure. I don't know much about how Phabricator looks from a technical perspective, or from the perspective of someone like an engineer or product manager trying to track and complete tasks. Speaking as an end user, I have found Phabricator useful mainly in this way: it creates an incentive to think about what is an achievable, specific task that would address problems I encounter. And once I have documented such a task, it helps me to communicate about it with others (in seeking help through other channels, etc.) -Pete (talk) 19:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

for creating wikilove tables[edit]

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17:12 < Krenair> Creating wikilove tables...done!
Mutante (talk) 00:12, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thanks for merging my complaint with another existing-one on fabricator. (about PDF renderer missing some portions) RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:11, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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( on reviewing the complaint about pdf renderer ) RIT RAJARSHI (talk) 11:14, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not... really sure I understand what this is, to be honest. I wasn't aware Wikipedia had a public forum until now. Hell, I had never even edited a post before. And yet, somehow I just got banned for editing a page, using an IP address only I could have been using. So I think it's possible I have a virus. Anything in particular I should do? (talk) 04:31, 24 July 2016 (UTC)DefinitelyNotHuni 23/07/2016

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Thank you[edit]

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For applying common sense by quickly identifying a problem and dealing with it, even if just by forwarding an OTRS ticket. Sadly the details have been oversighted so you won't get any more recognition than this, but you were the only person in the situation to make a human decision instead of behaving like a robot. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:36, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

CSS styling in templates[edit]

Hello everyone, and sincere apologies if you're getting this message more than once. Just a heads-up that there is currently work on an extension in order to enable CSS styling in templates. Please check the document on to discuss best storage methods and what we need to avoid with implementation. Thanks, m:User:Melamrawy (WMF), 09:11, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

monobook - cactions bar[edit]

Dear Krenair! I am looking for some help with my monobook.js or monobook.css. If the browser window is very small, the cactions bar runs out of the window on the right side. Is it possible, to fix this with an automatic line break, so that the next cactions bar line appears below the first? Thank you very much Doc Taxon (talk) 11:18, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, it looks like this message got lost at some stage. I use Vector, never Monobook. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 01:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Director of the United States Secret Service[edit]

Hi can you please add President Trump to the President appointed by section he had Joseph Clancy? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 02:00, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. It looks like that table attempts to show which president they were appointed by. Joseph Clancy was appointed by Barack Obama, not Donald Trump as far as I know. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 02:05, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: International High School of New Orleans[edit]

Hello Krenair. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of International High School of New Orleans, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to schools. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 22:41, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know about that exception to the rule... Okay. Good catch. --Krenair (talkcontribs) 16:31, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Iliana Incandela[edit]

I noticed you restored the page after content was deleted, but I would like the page to be deleted as the content does not follow guidelines. How is it possible to delete the entire page? Iincandela (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

To propose an article for deletion, you will need good reason. For example, articles may be deleted if the subject is not notable. If you have been the subject of non-trivial coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources, the article is unlikely to be deleted. (For how we establish notability, please see WP:N.)
If you believe that you are not notable enough, you may propose that the article be deleted on those grounds. To do so, follow the steps outlined at WP:AFDHOWTO. It appears from your username that you may be the subject - if so, please add to your proposal that you are the article subject, that you regard yourself as a non-notable, private person, and that you want the article to be deleted. It may help you to read our deletion policy at WP:DP.
If, on the other hand, you believe that the article contains falsehoods, you can ask that it be changed. As I wrote above, if you are the subject then please identify yourself as the subject and request corrections on the talk page. You should avoid editing the article yourself; doing so would create a conflict of interest.
Wikipedia articles are not created or controlled by a central authority but by our community of volunteer editors. They will ultimately decide whether the article about you is retained, or whether to accept any proposed changes. The links above will help you to participate in that process. If you are still confused after reviewing those links, please let me know.
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hello! i love that you talk!

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