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December 2019

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Information icon Hello, I'm CLCStudent. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the help desk. Thanks. CLCStudent (talk) 17:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CLCStudent: In what way? Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 17:36, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry. I must have meant to revert someone else in the RC log. CLCStudent (talk) 17:38, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@CLCStudent: Elaborate? Is action expected from me? --Kreyren (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

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Yes. We are biased.

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Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia, once wrote:[1][2][3][4]

Wikipedia's policies ... are exactly spot-on and correct. If you can get your work published in respectable scientific journals – that is to say, if you can produce evidence through replicable scientific experiments, then Wikipedia will cover it appropriately.

What we won't do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of "true scientific discourse". It isn't.

So yes, we are biased.

And we are not going to change. tgeorgescu (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How the fuck is this relevant to anything Kreyren (talk) 05:47, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Farley, Tim (25 March 2014). "Wikipedia founder responds to pro-alt-med petition; skeptics cheer". Skeptical Software Tools. Archived from the original on 19 October 2021. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
  2. ^ Hay Newman, Lily (27 March 2014). "Jimmy Wales Gets Real, and Sassy, About Wikipedia's Holistic Healing Coverage". Slate. Archived from the original on 28 March 2014. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
  3. ^ Gorski, David (24 March 2014). "An excellent response to complaints about medical topics on Wikipedia". ScienceBlogs. Archived from the original on 19 October 2021. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
  4. ^ Novella, Steven (25 March 2014). "Standards of Evidence – Wikipedia Edition". NeuroLogica Blog. Archived from the original on 20 October 2021. Retrieved 4 November 2021.
  5. ^ Talk:Astrology/Archive 13#Bias against astrology
  6. ^ Talk:Alchemy/Archive 2#naturalistic bias in article
  7. ^ Talk:Numerology/Archive 1#There's more work to be done
  8. ^ Talk:Homeopathy/Archive 60#Wikipedia Bias
  9. ^ Talk:Acupuncture/Archive 13#Strong Bias towards Skeptic Researchers
  10. ^ Talk:Energy (esotericism)/Archive 1#Bias
  11. ^ Talk:Conspiracy theory/Archive 12#Sequence of sections and bias
  12. ^ Talk:Vaccine hesitancy/Archive 5#Clearly a bias attack article
  13. ^ Talk:Magnet therapy/Archive 1#Contradiction and bias
  14. ^ Talk:Crop circle/Archive 9#Bower and Chorley Bias Destroyed by Mathematician
  15. ^ Talk:Laundry ball/Archives/2017
  16. ^ Talk:Ayurveda/Archive 15#Suggestion to Shed Biases
  17. ^ Talk:Torsion field (pseudoscience)/Archive 1#stop f**** supressing science with your bias bull****
  18. ^ Talk:Young Earth creationism/Archive 3#Biased Article (part 2)
  19. ^ Talk:Holocaust denial/Archive 12#Blatant bias on this page
  20. ^ Talk:Flat Earth/Archive 7#Disinformation, the EARTH IS FLAT and this can be SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN. This article is not about Flat Earth, it promotes a round earth.
  21. ^ Talk:Scientific racism/Archive 1#THIS is propaganda
  22. ^ Talk:Global warming conspiracy theory/Archive 3#Problems with the article
  23. ^ Talk:Santa Claus/Archive 11#About Santa Claus
  24. ^ Talk:Flood geology/Archive 4#Obvious bias
  25. ^ Talk:Quackery/Archive 1#POV #2
  26. ^ Talk:Ancient astronauts/Archive 4#Pseudoscience

tgeorgescu

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You have shown interest in Complementary and Alternative Medicine. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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I study medicine in which i will major in.. My interest is only in real and objective science that can be verified and proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Sanctioning me for interest in "Complementary and alternative medicine" is offensive to me and I appeal this sanction. Kreyren (talk) 05:52, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Special page on my contributions to the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Kreyren&target=Kreyren&offset=&limit=500
Where exactly do you think that I've shown interest in Complementary and Alternative Medicine to justify sanctioning? Kreyren (talk) 06:03, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have shown interest in pseudoscience and fringe science. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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I study medicine in which i will major in.. My interest is only in real and objective science that can be verified and proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Sanctioning me for interest in "Complementary and alternative medicine" is offensive to me and I appeal this sanction. Kreyren (talk) 05:53, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a notification, not a sanction. I'm not an admin, so I cannot sanction any Wikipedian. But if you persist in advocating that vitamins for vegans are WP:COI, learn that WP:AE is just around the corner.
You are free to address veganism and animal cruelty articles, but needlessly crying COI will get you topic banned, and it is extremely hard to appeal such topic bans. The choice is yours. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:36, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The edits in question were a week ago. This is quite overkill, @Tgeorgescu. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:38, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@EvergreenFir: Yup, but their edits remained unnoticed until very recently. tgeorgescu (talk) 06:41, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tgeorgescu: I am not saying that vitamins for vegans are WP:COI personally i recognize that vitamins especially B12 and cholecalciferol are critical in the vegan diet. What I am highlighting is the evident bias by the mentioned sources that influences the wording in the article that from my Point Of View seems more like a marketing stunt to prompt the readers to buy vitamins from these companies than an objective and science-driven article on veganism as it should be on wikipedia. Kreyren (talk) 07:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia renders mainstream science for what it is, but does not engage in WP:SOAPBOXING for buying vitamins from this company, but not other companies. If you can show that the article uses language which promotes only one company, please say so at the talk page. But to merely WP:CITE consensus statements of vegan societies and dieticians guilds is not commercial advertising. We do not promote this or that company, but we do have respect for science and for the consensus statements from respectable scientific organizations. tgeorgescu (talk) 07:59, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Deleting stuff from your talk page is considered evidence that you have read and understood it. You are still notified of discretionary sanctions, you cannot remove yourself from such notifications. And to tell you the truth, not even Jimmy Wales can undo the fact that you have been notified of discretionary sanctions. tgeorgescu (talk) 08:11, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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