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WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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Talk:Gamergate controversy[edit]

The GG article isn't really the best place to talk about this. Please don't be surprised or offended if that section gets deleted or hatted. If you have specific content issues with the articles that you mentioned the talk pages for those respective articles are better places to go. If you're afraid of how editors will respond to your concerns, just keep WP:AGF in mind and if you need advice on how to deal with disputes try WP:EAStrongjam (talk) 17:28, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Worse - I was just accused of committing a serious BLP violation, and my post was removed in a manner that I find very, very insulting. My comment pertained more to the atmosphere of the article and the gender debate, which is so caustic as to drive several well-intentioned users away from participating in it. Kurtis (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
To answer your question more directly, I have no idea what the scope of this article is. Should we not cover Sarkeesian and Feminist Frequency in some level of depth? She is an extremely important figure in the GamerGate controversy. Kurtis (talk) 20:31, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Article is already too long dealing with just the Gamergate controversy and attempts are being made to trim it. More in-depth coverage of the involved parties is best left to their articles. — Strongjam (talk) 20:44, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Well yes, but there should be some sort of summary about it on Gamergate. Feminist Frequency and Tropes vs. Women is an important element of the controversy and deserves a fair amount of coverage. The problem is that the editing environment is corrosive, which impacts our ability to collaborate effectively. Kurtis (talk) 20:49, 13 November 2014 (UTC)


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  • Alright, thanks for the heads-up. I was already aware of the sanctions, but I guess it's all the better to make the notice official just for future reference. Kurtis (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

DangerousPanda arbitation request opened[edit]

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Hi, Kurtis. I do thank you for being considerate enough to alert me on my talk page to your comments in reply to my evidence at the above, and for your kind words on my record. As might be reasonably expected, I'm not in agreement with your points, and have responded. But I'm glad we can do so respectfully and collegially. With sincere regards, Tenebrae (talk) 05:25, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Not a problem. I'm glad to see you're not offended by the points that I've raised there. Kurtis (talk) 05:29, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Not at all. Your polite collegiality is what made calm discussion possible, and shows that editors can disagree and still speak respectfully to each other. I admit I find it ironic, since you seem like someone who would never f-bomb a colleague or approve of an editor who did. So, thank you for caring enough to want to make the Wikipedia experience more palatable; I wish there were more like you, and I treasure my colleagues who exhibit this same high level of discourse. With regards and respect, Tenebrae (talk) 14:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your high praise. It's always great to hear that someone appreciates your efforts towards making the community a more welcoming environment. I'm glad I could make a difference for you in this particular case. Kurtis (talk) 20:38, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
And I'd like to applaud you again for the comprehensive, evenhanded and fair-minded presentation of evidence just now at the DP Arb page. For what it's worth, this longtime editor admires what you bring to Wikipedia. I wish more editors were of your temperament and meticulous care. With regards and respect again, Tenebrae (talk) 04:45, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
I try. ;) Thanks again, Tenebrae. :) Kurtis (talk) 05:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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Length of evidence in the DangerousPanda case[edit]

Hi Kurtis, thank you for presenting evidence for the DangerousPanda case. The Arbitration Committee has asked that evidence presentations be kept to around 500 words and 50 diffs. Your presentation is over 1000 words. Please edit your section to focus on the most relevant evidence. If you wish to submit over-length evidence, you must first obtain the agreement of the arbitrators by posting a request on the Evidence talk page. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talkcontribslogs) 04:13, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

  • I've requested an exemption on the evidence talk page. Here's hoping it's given serious consideration. Kurtis (talk) 07:05, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Would you have any suggestions?[edit]

A few months ago during the eventually unsuccessful Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Piotrus_3 you voted "oppose". I wonder if you'd like to discuss any concerns of yours, or if you would have any suggestions in the event I'd decide to run again (which I am not planning to do anytime soon, but might consider in the future). For a better sense of my work and activities around the project, I invite you to consider reviewing my userpage, my talk page archives (which are not redacted), to watchlist my talk page, or use edit analysis tools like Wikichecker, content.paragr, dewkin, xtools-pages or xtools-ec (which in theory should work as of late 2014...). I would be more than happy to talk about your concerns over the 2009 ArbCom case, which you mentioned you were still concerned about last year, and what have I learned / how my editing/views have changed since then. Thank you for your time, (PS. If you reply here, I'd appreciate a WP:ECHO or {{talkback}} ping). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

For me, the big thing was obviously the EEML ArbCom case. I remember when it first came to light, and although it was many years ago, it was still a very unethical way to get the upper hand in that topic area. That's actually the only real reason why I was opposed; I just didn't really get the impression that you've fully owned up to it. If I were convinced otherwise at your next RfA, then I'd probably be inclined to support you. Reviewing your editing history and experience would almost be pointless in this case, as there was never any doubt about the quality of your writing or your commitment to Wikipedia. Kurtis (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for getting back to me on that. Perhaps it's me not being a native English speaker, but I am not fully sure I understand the "fully owned up to it" expression. As far as I do understand it it means "to acknowledge", yes? If so, I thought I did so. I offered an apology to the community both during the case and afterward (forgive me if I don't have the diffs, but let me say so again: "I am sincerely sorry for violating the community policies and trust back in 2009"), and I similarly acknowledged I acted in an unethical way that I did and still do regret. In addition to uncontroversial content creation and various outreach since (which, if you wish, you can think of as a form of penance), I've also written a series of wiki-essays (such as this. If there's something else you think I should do to "own up", please let me know what am I missing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I suppose it has been a long time ago now, and I know you understand why the whole mailing list thing wasn't good. We'll see what happens next time around. Kurtis (talk) 15:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Next time around... do you mean during the next RfA? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 17:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes. Kurtis (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Interview for The Signpost[edit]

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No problem, where should I post my answers? Kurtis (talk) 20:02, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
You can edit the questions page and add them in there. Rcsprinter123 (note) @ 22:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks very much...[edit]

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My RfA[edit]

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Importance of questions and research[edit]

Greetings Kurtis, after a long time of not logging in I saw the notification for your "The importance of questions and research at RfA" section on WT:RfA. I didn't intend to make it seem like I had found the link myself and I'm sorry it seemed that way. I think I may have typed it a bit quicker than I should have because I also said your edit instead of your edit reverting x user's edit. I assume most users skim the Q&A at least. Anyway, it's been quite a while since then, and maybe it's time to go for another RfA if you still feel like an admin is something you would like to be. You should probably place a talkback on my talk page if you want me to respond here anytime soon. —Mysterytrey 20:07, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

No worries, I was never under the impression that you had any intention of casting me in a negative light. My RfA was pretty much ill-fated from the start, particularly because my activity levels and overall experience in the areas specified were less than what the community expected. I also didn't understand Creative Commons licensing like I do now. With regards to adminship, I may take another shot at it somewhere down the line, but lately I haven't been as active as I used to be; I guess you could say I'm on a de facto WikiBreak. I do want to get back into editing here again, and I intend to do so once get my brand new computer up and running, which will happen when I stop putting it off get around to it. Kurtis (talk) 22:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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Wishing you all the best . . .[edit]

Merry Christmas, Kurtis, and may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 19:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

78.26's RFA Appreciation award[edit]

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Thank you for the participation and support at my RFA. It is truly appreciated. I hope to be of further help around here, and if you see me doing something dumb, you know where to find me. Again, I thank you. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 01:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, don't worry! I'm not turning on him by any stretch of the imagination – I just don't think his recent posts were the best idea on his part. But if there's one thing to take away from all this, it's that he's clearly going through a hard time. Kurtis (talk) 01:19, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm just messing with you for breaking my signature. Honestly I didn't even read your comment. :D Prodego talk 01:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
...Oh. I see.
Actually didn't even notice until you pointed that out. :/ But thanks for the self-deprecating lols, I actually needed them right now. ;) Kurtis (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Please help[edit]

Hi Kurtis! Thank you for the opportunity that through the Teahouse I can write to you. I am new here and I am working on an article. This is a 6 years old article that was not properly sourced, however, I found more than 40 secondary sources that I have now built in. My problem is that almost no one controls what I am doing, and I should like kindly ask you, that if your time allows, just take a glance to the article and tell me your advices. and My other problem is that this tag "Find sources: "Zoltán Deme" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images" proved to be useless for reaching the sources of the 1960-1980 decades, especially the sources of the past communist countries in East Europe where most of the libraries very poorly digitized. For example "Scholar" gives 1 citation, though just with 10 minutes research I got immediately 20 citations! [[1]] page 65 [[2]] p.2 [[3]] p.23 [[4]] p.1 [[5]] p.289 [[6]] p.5 [[7]] p.2 [[8]] p.353 [[9]] p.35 [[10]] p.1 [[11]] p.46 [[12]] p.75 [[13]] p.63 [[14]] p.84 [[15]] p.64 [[16]] p.1 [[17]] p.48 [[18]] p.317 [[19]] p.196 [[20]] p.101. (Plus I got many items, as "required reading" in the universities, like [[21]] p.1 [[22]] p.1 [[23]] p.48 [[24]] and so on). For other example, Books, Google Books gives 3 items, while this site (and others) show the pictures and data of more than 20 items! [[25]] [[26]] [[27]] This misleads almost everyone, presents the subject non-notable with only one citation and three books, thus, I had to go over this problem and collect printed material. Would you kindly investigate the improved article, is my work now sufficient? I saw your contributions, so any proposal or any suggestion would be highly appreciated! Thanks for reading this message, sincerely yours, Norbert. (talk) 14:06, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Norbert, I appreciate that you took the time to write me and would be glad to help out. Unfortunately, many of the references you've provided (specifically at the AfD nomination page) aren't readily accessible to me, in large part due to the fact that I lack familiarity with the Hungarian language and Google's translator doesn't seem to work on the pdf files in the links. This means that I have no way of verifying their veracity as sources, so my input will be limited as to determining whether or not Deme is notable enough to be kept.

I've looked over the article, and to be honest, I'm not sure if the information given is accurate, let alone verifiable. Specifically, the part which states that he became "the reporter of the sole broadcasting station of the communist Hungary (Magyar Rádió) and the day by day morning news made his voice and reports well known [throughout much of Eastern Europe]", or that he was "the first university student in his native country ever" (that particular claim seems absurd for a European country in the mid-1900s) - or is it saying that he was the first "whose works were published in the periodicals of the Hungarian Academy of Sciences (in the Studia Litteraria and in the Irodalomtörténeti Közlemények)"? This distinction is important, but the comma in that sentence makes it unclear as to what is being said. As for the first quote, was he the reporter for Magyar Rádió (i.e. the only one), or were there others? Going beyond that paragraph, I'm not sure if his published works are particularly significant on their own merits to satisfy either of the overarching criteria. It doesn't appear that he has been nominated for any prestigious awards, and I don't really get the sense that he has had a substantial impact within the field of philosophy. If your references can prove otherwise, then it might stand a chance. As it is, the article is too ambiguous for me to throw my full weight behind its retention.

I hope this helps. Like I said, my input is limited in this case because I can't speak Hungarian and the translator doesn't appear to work for the pdf files. Hopefully things work out for the better, and even if they don't, just remember that virtually everyone has had their hard work deleted at some point or another; it's simply the nature of the beast. Best of luck to you. Kurtis (talk) 19:27, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kurtis! Thank you very much for your review, for the changes you made, and for your time! Just with three minor corrections you made more biographical the article, and you made light to me in the darkness of research that what to do : to give though a short but useful biographical profile to the readers. I plan to go ahead and to make few steps on this path.
You too lighted few errors I made that weaken the merit of the article. For sure, he was not "the" reporter of the sole broadcasting station, but "a" reporter of the station (though the State Radio not too much reporters had). Here my English was insufficient and I will correct the error. Next, the first student who published in Academy's periodical rather he was, but I missed to place the years while citing: 1973 (Studia...) 1975 (Irodalomtörténeti...) thus, not around 1990 were the publication made - as it would be rather absurd, as you clearly said. I will correct this too.
I feel sorry that the translator does not handle the pdf, though minimum of the half of the whole weight of the article lays on them, and it was rather a hard job to find them as sources from the pre-Internet era. But I think that they are under firm control - many East European people speak Hungarian and visit Wikipedia (and no claim received).
And last, there is something that confuses my mind, and that let me share. I have red the Wikipedia policy. "People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria" (the WP:BLP, WP:AUTHOR, WP:NACADEMIC , WP:CREATIVE, etc.) You know the article, what is your impression, the subject, whom millions of East European people know from his youth as the sources prove, maybe does not meet this, what do you think?
I am thankful for everything what you did! And I would be happy, if I would have the opportunity to show you the renewed article that I am starting to improve. Have Kurtis nice days, nice weekend, and good health. Yours sincerely, Norbert. (talk) 10:08, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
No problem, glad I could be of some assistance. I think there may be a good case for this person, but it's dependent on whether or not there are any reliable sources available. Hopefully the ones you've provided can be reviewed by someone with expertise in the area. Kurtis (talk) 03:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Outlandos d'Amour[edit]

Re: this. No worries, hope it helped. I've done a handful of GA albums, and reviewed a few more. I think you're on the right track, but look at that article structure first of all (i.e. get the sections in the right order) and things will soon start dropping into place. Let me know if I can help any further! Cheers! :) — sparklism hey! 15:28, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Good idea, now let's see how things work out. ;) Kurtis (talk) 17:48, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

There is a mop reserved in your name[edit]

Mop.png You are an exemplary editor; remarkable in many ways. You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and you appear to be well qualified! You personify an Administrator without tools, and have gained my support; already!

In accord with my comment to you at wt:rfa; as the banner says, you have already earned my support.--John Cline (talk) 16:57, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks John for the vote of confidence - it means a lot to me. "Administrator without tools" is a mantle I've strived to fill from my earliest days on the project, in part because I don't think an editor needs the flag to be an asset. I've encountered many people who have never requested the added toolset, yet I still regard them as highly as any administrator. In theory, adminship should not confer some sort of special status on any one editor, and the fact that it has ever been a symbol of prestige is an unfortunate reflection on an application process that is far too rigid for its own good (significantly more so these days than when I first joined).

I suppose the question remains as to whether or not I want to become an administrator someday, and the best answer I can give is maybe. I would like to help out in a number of places where being an administrator would make a difference, yet my primary areas of interest are actually backroom discussions and article editing. I have never gone through the GA or FA processes, and have only two DYKs to my name. This might hurt my chances with a certain demographic, but in my defense, I can say with confidence that I have been in the "trenches" before. I've dealt with POV-pushing and I can empathize with those who've struggled to maintain high quality articles in the face of subtle bias being inserted into their work - it can feel like trying to pull a pickup truck over a steep hill using a rope tied to the front axle. I admire the tenacity of editors who build articles from the ground-up and toil away at them for weeks or even months on end, but I personally have never had that sort of laser-like focus. The biggest thing going against an RfA run in the near future is the fact that I've scaled back my activity over the past year or so, mainly due to issues that have come up in real life. Once I'm back to editing on a more regular basis, I'll give it some more thought. Kurtis (talk) 21:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

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