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Consumer Insight[edit]

You have suppressed a content that brings information on a very very vague topic where many people struggle to find actionable information. Fair enough, you are obviously not knowledgeable about this specific topic. But on the other hand you let on this page a broken link with an error 404. If you do want to clean up this page, then do it right: Laughlin, P (2015) "Holistic Customer Insight as an engine of growth", Institute of Direct & Digital Marketing (IDM) Journal of Direct, Data & Digital Marketing Practice Vol 16 Issue 2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:21, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Please feel free to improve the article with reliable sources that meet our guidelines. If you continue to promote your site, it will be blacklisted. Kuru (talk) 13:38, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Request for your comment on a Tigrayan talkpage section[edit]

Hello Kuru, I am requesting for your comment on a Talk:Tigrayans#Bad_English.2FGrammar.2FFocus_in_Haile_Selassie_Gugsa_under_Notable_Tigrayans talkpage section titled: Bad English/Grammar/Focus in Haile Selassie Gugsa under Notable Tigrayans? Otakrem (talk) 23:41, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Sennaitgebremariam using Mirrors in Tigrayan Article Again[edit]

tell me Sennaitgebremariam is using this [1] to add "Furious Tigrean patriots in Mek'ele promptly set fire to", See the Diff [2] In addition,also see [3] as Sennaitgebremariam is bloating the entry, making it confusing to read. Otakrem (talk) 02:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

That's amazing. I've blocked the account temporarily. Kuru (talk) 03:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
This user(Sennaitgebremariam) made another edit and added [4] to Oromo people which the website is a mirror. See Diff [5] you may want to further examine the edits of this user. Otakrem (talk) 04:33, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Pokemon Go latest stats.[edit]

I have added latest stats and figures on Pokemon Go. This content only adds to the richness of the article. The data has been backed by the following credible sources. This is factual content. I am sharing the links below. These are very important statistics. I hope it's ok to undo the changes.

Vivektomar1234 (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

And yet, the content remains, with only your silly "pickdup" spam removed. In the future, use the original sources you cribbed from, and not the link to your SEO training blog. If that link appears again, it will be blacklisted and your account blocked. Kuru (talk) 12:06, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Stop removing my citations[edit]

I added a citation on Lake poygan because a citation was needed and you removed it. I said in the edit summary that a citation was needed and you told me that I should add one then. Thats exactly what I did! Campingfreak3599 (talk) 20:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

@Campingfreak3599:, of course you did. Quick question: When you read your citation, did you see the part of the source that said "Content from Wikipedia"? A yes or no is fine. Kuru (talk) 20:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about my mistake, I will find a better website. Campingfreak3599 (talk) 20:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
Not a problem; thank you. Kuru (talk) 20:54, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks re 3RR[edit]

Thanks for your comments concerning the little 3RR flurry. I'm not a terribly active editor any more, so it's unlikely I'd get caught up in one any time soon. Thanks again. Anastrophe (talk) 21:34, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

About Link edits[edit]


I agree with what you said about Wiki edits link policy. So now I want to add the link which is according to guidelines and helpful in giving more information to wiki visitors. You may review the link:

I hope this is fine and helpful enhacing the knowledge base.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markerannie (talkcontribs) 12:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

That link does not appear to support the specific statement you've added it to as a reference. Kuru (talk) 12:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Removal of link to photograph[edit]

Hi Kuru, can you explain why you have removed the link to the photograph of Henry Adrian Churchill to Wikipedia mirror? I do not understand the rationale. MrArmstrong2 (talk) 15:00, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

America.Pink is a Chinese site which copies wikipedia content without attribution. They also scrape images and content from other sites. While that image may or may not be in public domain, other material there is a copyright violation and we do not link to those sites. I'm sure it would be easy to link to the original place they stole from, although I'm not sure it's worth having an external link just for one image. Kuru (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Request of clarification[edit]

I was just seeing the talk page of a user who had made WP:PAs toward me and saw this comment of yours there. What do you mean by "your previous account?" Thanks. --Mhhossein (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

At the time, it was clearly a continuation of the Dave8899 account, and probably a continuation of the disruptive user at Kuru (talk) 12:33, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
And what are your clues for that? did you request to check him? --Mhhossein (talk) 05:50, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Red Bull[edit]

That IP you just blocked for 3RR has just reset his router and come back under another IP, to remove the same material as before. Any chance of some temporary semi-protection there? Cheers, Muffled Pocketed 11:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks; will watch and protect if it becomes "persistent". Kuru (talk) 11:41, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
Done, he obliged quickly. Kuru (talk) 11:43, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Jasonski 41[edit]

Please disable his talk page acesss. He abuses it every single time a new sock of his is blocked. --A guy saved by Jesus (talk) 20:23, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. Deleted the death threats from the history as well. Lovely person. Kuru (talk) 20:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Article submission declined - Chat enabled collaboration[edit]


I am witting this article as a representative of MindLink Software. Copyright infringement is not an issue as we contributed to Keith Hanna's book (see reference in book) and we can get the author to confirm if need be. Chat Enabled Collaboration is a new category that we are trying to create. The article was here:

Please let me know how we can proceed to get the article published. Thank you Statt2016 (talk) 07:54, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

First, if your role as a representative is a paid one, it may be a good idea to read our terms of use and clearly identify your paid edits and conflict of interest before making any other edits. Second, "Keith Hanna" and his publisher have the clear copyright on that material, only they will be able to release to our license. If you have an agreement to retain copyright, or if they want to contact us and release, then read Wikipedia:Donating_copyrighted_materials for next steps. It may be easier to simply use your own words and reference the book and/or other third-party published works. Third, please read our conflict of interest guidelines. I had to severely cut back promotional writing before I ran across the copyright issue. If you take another stab at it, please make sure you write neutral material and avoid random "examples". Kuru (talk) 11:29, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Robo-advisors - ETFmatic external link removed.[edit]

Hello Kuru,

I am just curious what the problem is with having an external link to a company website? You stated the reason as "inappropriate for an encyclopedia", but wikipedia is absolutely full of links to company websites. My intention is not to use Wikipedia for advertising (as a Wikipedia donor I would hate this). I dont like the idea of using Wikipedia as yellow pages for businesses, this is not in the general interest of the public and is not the purpose of an encyclopedia. It seems to me far more reasonable that in the list of "Notable robo-advisors" to have external links directly to those notable advisors and NOT links to their wikipedia company pages, which is far less relevant.

But I am sure you are following the guidelines.

PS: As a donor to Wikipedia, I really appreciate the work you are doing, I believe to be incredibly important to humanity - so thank you.

Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:09, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

The "random lists of examples" are magnets for spam and conflict of interest accounts seeking to promote their products. In this instance, the list has been cleaned up many times to remove trivial and non-notable products to comply with our policy on external links. I don't, even slightly, believe that the article would be better served by having an external link directory. Thanks. Kuru (talk) 12:18, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Robo-advisors - ETFmatic external link removed - again...[edit]

Hello again,

I've just realised, maybe you believe that it is inappropriate for ETFmatic to be included in the "Notable robo-advisors"? ETFmatic is absolutely a robo-advisor and is one of the most talked about across Europe.

There are many published articles that talk about ETFmatic as a robo-advisor: — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

That's exciting. You should have no difficulty establishing an article on the topic that meets WP:CORP. then. Kuru (talk) 12:19, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


told me that the next time edit the page risk a write lock

then the references I have added them on the page Talk:Tigrayans
respect should respond and delete vandalism--tell me Sennaitgebremariam (talk) 12:43, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I await a reply--tell me Sennaitgebremariam (talk) 09:20, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I've already replied to you. Please use WP:DR or WP:SPI. Kuru (talk) 11:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

we are discussing for two months and there is no solution the references I have added them find them on the page Talk:Tigrayans

these users Otakrem Puhleec Ethiopianhistorian EthiopianHabesha are clearly the same person and is very good at not getting caught

I worked for a while to add references and must not ruin other people's work

I'm not me that I have to prove something but others who must prove otherwise

report WP:SPI it when I have a bit of time is not always on wikipedia and it takes a bit of time to spend--tell me Sennaitgebremariam (talk) 23:04, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't know the others. But I know that I am currently in disagreement with EthiopianHabesha on Talk:Abyssinian_people#Various_formations_of_the_term_.27Habesha.27_usage_by_various_group_of_people. As for your references in the Tigrayan article, they are unreliable sources for the claim that you made. You are discussing this there, why not complete the discussion there? Otakrem (talk) 04:32, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

do not make fun you are the same person.

Kuru administrator as if she is not able to help us in this intractable dispute show me another administrator who can do

Tell Otakrem Puhleec Ethiopianhistorian EthiopianHabesha not edit the page until there is not a true third person to mediate

because so with a user who has organized several five six account that gets the questions and answers his own question I can not do anything--tell me Sennaitgebremariam (talk) 08:20, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

tell me Sennaitgebremariam , infact I am still in disagreement with Otakrem regarding his view towards Habesha and Abyssinian people and also his view on Menelik. Puhleec and Ethiopianhistorian (I think Ethiopianhistorian is the blocked user 2001:558:600A:83:6038:EDC9:C7AA:DB8C) have added something that is not found in Wuchale treaty under Menelik's biography and in the future I will be challenging them to remove it, which is added based on tribal nationalism agenda. — EthiopianHabesha (talk) 09:56, 19 August 2016 (UTC)

User Otakrem has changed even after the administrator The Voidwalker tried to mediate the dispute

after I communicated to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents
what do I do?--tell me Sennaitgebremariam (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@Sennaitgebremariam: Just to clarify since you mentioned me. I am not an administrator, just an experienced user who was concerned to see so many tags added to a single section. The reason I changed those tags was to facilitate a discussion on the talk page, however, I notice that there has been almost none in the weeks since. Without an open discussion between you and Otakrem including reliable sources and citing policies, I am afraid nothing can be decided. If you have been discussing the issue, and cannot agree between the two of you, I suggest then the process of dispute resolution. A volunteer at the dispute resolution noticeboard may be able to guide you in the right direction provided that you have attempted to resolve this through a discussion. -- The Voidwalker Discuss 17:13, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I removed those Notable persons per a discussion with Soupforone on a similar issue of incorrectly and/or unreliable sourced entries on the Tigrinyas article. tell me Sennaitgebremariam talk with Soupforone.Otakrem (talk) 19:56, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Kuru
I could ask you the Tigrayans page protection? if I need it?--tell me Sennaitgebremariam (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


Please block user: (talk) 22:47, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


So while I understand what your saying those refs have been there 6 months, why did you take to removing them now? Plenty of other Admins have been on there and protected to article and none have ever said that those sources were no RS. Secondly the ref about his kids referenced everything you chose to remove so they were not unsourced just needed correction not fully deleted. Yes I understand your an Admin but that has no bearing on deleting 2 sections that were clearly sourced. I have added them back with the corrected source. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 21:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

There is no "vesting period" for sources; that site is complete garbage. Administrators will very seldom validate every reference on a page when taking action; if ever. I'm usually open to tagging it with a "citation needed", but on BLPs I usually temporarily remove the material, especially if it is personal information. Obviously, I have no objections to better, proper sourcing; that would be the ideal outcome. Kuru (talk) 22:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing that up and responding,I gave corrected the source, and quick referenced them since it is one article for 3 sections but now I have to talk with another user which I think is an Admin too, about the updated source now not being good enough for where he lives but its ok for his wife and kids which makes no sense. Chris "WarMachineWildThing" (talk) 22:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

With regard to blocking of User: Nazi Gun Control: Would you please undo his last revert[edit]

I noticed you have blocked this user but it seems he got in one parting shot before he was blocked. Would you please revert his revert ? thank you. (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd prefer not to do content reverts in areas where I've placed edit warring blocks. Just wait a day and you or grayfell can revert, or wait for a third editor. Kuru (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2016 (UTC)


Thanks for helping me in keeping the log more readable. FYI, we now have {{Spamblacklistblock}} in our block reasons for editors who continuously hit the spam blacklist. --Dirk Beetstra T C 13:09, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Perfect! I'm still amazed that I did not know there was a log of blacklist hits until a week ago; there are so many situations where that would have been useful. Kuru (talk) 14:24, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

On the Page Of Cloud Management[edit]

Hi there !

Hope you are doing great :)

I'm thinking about characteristics of cloud management platform related stuff and accidentally found that website when i desperately needed the compare some cloud management platform

i have checked the web site page and its really an useful as a internet researcher .

That page defines the characteristics of all giant cloud computing providers as a open source community so it would be great to thank them .

Let me know what you think

regard Edda — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 19:18, 25 August 2016 (UTC) (talk) 19:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Also check the ref where i have added is "Enterprises with large-scale cloud implementations may require more robust cloud management tools which include specific characteristics[8]"

So if you go the ref link , you will find there are something that direct related to Wikipedia page . Or we may add External Link Section to that page ? I am really sorry if i am doing something wrong , pardon a poor wiki girl .

regard Edda (talk) 19:41, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

References need to be established as reliable sources, and the material needs to be explicitly supported there. Your best best would be to use the article's talk page and lay out why you think both of those conditions are met. It does not appear to be the case. Kuru (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Ananda Shankar Jayant[edit]

Hi Mate, I notice you have removed a wiki mirror site reference and related contents from the article on Ananda Shankar Jayant. I have partly reinstated some of the contents. The details about the subject's teachers are available in many other citations. The wiki mirror citation and the details about one award stay removed. Cheers !!--jojo@nthony (talk) 09:44, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

My main concern was the citation, thank you. Kuru (talk) 11:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Kuru,[edit]

Hi Kuru, I am wondering why you are following me around undoing the references I am making they are all relevant? Am happy for you to give me feedback on how to do things the correct way, but I have only added relevant links, to the right pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:33, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Please stop spamming links. After several explicit warnings, I assume you have no intention of doing anything but promoting that group of firms, and you will be blocked when you continue the behavior. Kuru (talk) 13:22, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Ali Raymi[edit]

Greetings. Not sure how to handle this SPI who is obsessed with overloading the infobox of Ali Raymi with refs (mainly completely non-RS stuff like blogs and social media) and keeps harping on about how the subject of the article was a deity ("GOD" this and "GOD" that"). The editor also seems adamant that Raymi's so-called "controversies" regarding his self-glorification deserve their own section. That he was nicknamed "God" and "TGE (The Greatest Ever)" is not really in question, as there are WP:RS refs to support those, but it's the WP:POV/WP:OR commentary that won't fly—I'm certainly not getting through to them. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 15:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

I'll look at the page and watchlist it. Kuru (talk) 17:41, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Awky sir! thanks for guiding me in correct direction :) Rjshahidmaqbool (talk) 23:56, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Arvinder Khaira[edit]

sir please look at those links (list of links removed)

Presumably, this is related to the AFD for Arvinder Khaira. I'm happy to restore the article in a draft form and we can evaluate them individually at the draft's talk page. I can't do the restore right now, but will do it tonight and transfer that list of links. Kuru (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Marketing automation citation[edit]

Hi Kuru,

I've read through the guidelines and am slightly confused as to why this link was not deemed relevant.

Any guidance is appreciated.

Thanks, Markehuber — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markehuber (talkcontribs) 13:53, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

The link you are adding does not meet our criteria for a reliable source. This is a dime-a-dozen content marketing blog post that you authored, and you're adding to multiple pages. While I realize that there are many such links violating our policies, you can help us by cleaning them up or replacing them with published and reviewed material. Kuru (talk) 14:17, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Mirror or Republished/Sythnesized Wikipedia content in Abyssinian people article?[edit]

Hi Kuru, Please take a look at this diff [6] where EthiopianHabesha is using this reference [7] which states its main source is Wikipedia, the editor of the Book called "Ethiopia The Land Its People History and Culture" edited by Yohannes K Mekonnen, Editor, ISBN 978-9987-16-024-2, April 2013, New Africa Press Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Per WP:CIRCULAR this is not allowed. Also I couldn't find the ISBN, I am suspecting its some editor who created this "book" and then is referencing it in articles.Otakrem (talk) 03:35, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Otakrem, went through Yohannes Mekonen book and searched them in Wikipedia and did not find exact maching. I think he went though the sources used in wikipedia articles and compiled it on his own words as he said in his book. Anyways, as an alternative to his source I have added another source to support that sentence. The book is written by Frederic P. Miller, Agnes F. Vandome, John McBrewster titled 'Habesha people' [8] and which most of the articles introduction paragraph is extracted from. If any issues with the alternative source you may let me know. — EthiopianHabesha (talk) 10:16, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Obviously, the Yohannes Mekonen is not acceptable as a source. I sampled several works from "New Africa Press" and they seem to all have the "from Wikipedia" line; this would bring into question the quality of the publisher altogether. Kuru (talk) 12:05, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
So this source should be deleted wherever it is used in Wikipedia articles? Otakrem (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I've taken the liberty of removing it from four articles. As it uses Wikipedia as the primary source, it is not WP:RS in any way. It does not matter if it has been "reworded"; we cannot fact check ourselves. Kuru (talk) 03:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)[edit]

You recently reverted an editor with the comment "rvt banned editor"[9]. The editor is back with another IP[10]. I can't find what administrative action this relates to (although the editor does seem disruptive). Could you let me know in case this needs to be added to an SPI report or something? Thanks. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 20:13, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP. Lot of reading there; hundreds of blocks at this point - they all end the same. I'll block the IPs he's hopped to. Will drop the range if needed. Kuru (talk) 03:15, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I am not paid editor[edit]

Dear Kuru,

I would like to inform you that I am not paid editor, I am honest editor and want to know reason of blacklist for a particular site, please do not blame with such a big, try to understand, I found that site with so many word on google and rich with good maps and content, rest is your wish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ambrishseo (talkcontribs) 04:15, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I do not believe you. Any paid relationship, including outright employment of course, should be disclosed. Kuru (talk) 11:40, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Bill Gates[edit]

The Talk:Bill Gates conspiracy editor is back with a new IP GcSwRhIc (talk) 13:41, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

He's popped up with a few more IPS on a pretty heavy range, so I've protected the page for a day or so. Pelase let me know if he drifts to another page and I'll do a range block. Kuru (talk) 14:41, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks. GcSwRhIc (talk) 15:04, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

removed PRTG from the Comparison of Network Monitoring Systems?[edit]

Hello Kuru,

My name is Kimberley Trommler, and I work for Paessler, the company that makes the PRTG Network Monitor software. We've just been notified by one of our customers that we're no longer in the list of network monitoring systems listed on this page:

If I understand the page history correctly, we were removed by your edit on Feb 22, 2016 at 12:06.

Since you removed another product from the list as part of this edit, which happened to be directly above PRTG in the list, I'm writing to ask if you intentionally removed PRTG, or if this was an error as part of removing the line above us in the table. If it was intentional, would you be willing to share with me the reason you removed PRTG?

Thank you for your help!

Kimberley ( (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Certainly, thanks for reaching out. You've read the history correctly. The list has an established inclusion criteria which stipulates entries must have an existing wikipedia article (this criteria is visible when editing the list). The article at PRTG Network Monitor was previously deleted on 28 December 2015. The removal of the entry on the list is just housekeeping. If there's anything else I can help you with, please let me know. Kuru (talk) 14:28, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protection[edit]

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ERP entries[edit]

Editing List of ERP software packages: Someone is deleting valid entries. Do you know about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RafaelEChacon (talkcontribs) 03:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Sure do. There's a notice when you edit that page that clearly states: "READ THIS Please do not add web links or products which do not have Wikipedia articles". If you disagree with the article's inclusion criteria, please use the article's talk page to discuss. Kuru (talk) 03:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

webERP entry[edit]


I am updating software pages. I see you deleted the webERP entry. This software has more history, a bigger community and more downloads than some software in that list. Please undo that.

Best regards, Rafael. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RafaelEChacon (talkcontribs) 13:26, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

I've responded you you above. It would be best to create an article for the product that meets our guidelines for software at Wikipedia:Notability (software); the most important part is providing reliable, thrid-party sources for the material and claims. Kuru (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)