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Unblock[edit]

@Future Perfect at Sunrise, RHaworth, Mike V, Greyshark09, Guerillero, Andy Dingley, Killiondude, and My name is not dave: I was blocked for six months for sock puppetting. I'd like to be unblocked now. I am trying to reconcile with the editors I offended. Kurzon (talk) 08:53, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I was blocked for six months for sock puppetting. I'd like to be unblocked now. I am trying to reconcile with the editors I offended.

Decline reason:

You have a considerable content overlap and MaisonHort edited from the same IP as you do. Repeating the mantra "I don't know him" will not get you unblocked. If you wish to be unblocked you need to explain your relationship. Just Chilling (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired.

Question from reviewing CU: What is your relationship to MaisonHorta (talk · contribs)? ​—DoRD (talk)​ 22:08, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't know him. Why? Kurzon (talk) 22:19, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
Presumably, the odd coincidence of editing a small subset of articles in the obscure categories of ancient Greek battles, Stalin's family, and Frank Herbert novels. This would include an edit here to an article you created and edited extensively with your prior socks, which restored the version you last preferred in the article. Presumably, he's also seeing Belgian IPs under that account. I'm not sure why you would ask "why?" Kuru (talk) 20:40, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
I swear I don't know him. Kurzon (talk) 21:06, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
@DoRD: Helloooooooo? Kurzon (talk) 13:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
That account, apart from what Kuru said above, edited from your IP address. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:04, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
@DoRD: I don't know him. Kurzon (talk) 15:08, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Just Chilling and DoRD: I seriously don't know the guy. Perhaps you should show me the IP data you're judging me by. Kurzon (talk) 12:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

@Just Chilling and DoRD: Are you going to leave me hanging? Kurzon (talk) 13:21, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Tenebrae[edit]

@Tenebrae: I beg of you, just put aside your hatred of me for one second and do this one little favor for the readers. Revert the Superman ownership disputes article to my last edit of 21 Jan 2017 so that it is at least complete! It is for the benefit of the readers! Isn't that more important than spiting me? Kurzon (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

You need to please realize no one "hates" you or is "spiting" you. The edits other editors made to your own have nothing to do with you personally. Your edits were not for the benefit of readers or the article. When multiple editors are telling you that your edits are inappropriate, perhaps it's important to realize that it's not about "hating" or "spiting" you but solely about your edits. And, really, after all the effort I put in to work with you collaboratively, and with all the "he's trying, just give him a chance" support I gave you with other editors, I'm surprised your conclusion is that I "hate" or am "spiting" you. It really, really is solely about your edits — and then about your dishonest behavior as a recidivist sock. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:26, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
@Tenebrae: Superman ownership disputes is a niche article that literally nobody has touched since my last edit. Absolutely nobody takes notice of it, let alone has issues. It hasn't been reverted to its state prior to my edits, nor has anyone picked up where I left off. My last edit was blocked because it was me, not because it was terrible. Kurzon (talk) 17:36, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Ok, it looks like you're just trying to request edits now. As you've again removed a declined unblock request, and there is little chance that anyone is going to trust you enough to unblock you, I've re-removed talk page access. Kuru (talk) 19:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

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This blocked user is asking that their block be reviewed on the Unblock Ticket Request System:

Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #18959 was submitted on Aug 10, 2017 16:55:24. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 16:55, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

This needs to be noted: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kurzon/Archive#08 August 2017. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

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Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #18965 was submitted on Aug 11, 2017 20:51:31. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 20:51, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

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Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #18967 was submitted on Aug 12, 2017 03:12:07. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 03:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

  • UTRS Admin note: Kurzon has been blocked from making further appeals via UTRS for six months as they continue to make repeated unsuccessful and WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT requests.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:28, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

E-mail[edit]

I've received your e-mails, but I don't assist people who have lied to me. Please do not send further messages. Kuru (talk) 18:02, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #20629 was submitted on Feb 15, 2018 19:57:54. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 19:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

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Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #20896 was submitted on Mar 17, 2018 17:20:46. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 17:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

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Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #21069 was submitted on Apr 01, 2018 15:27:38. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 15:27, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

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Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblockcheckuser (log))


UTRS appeal #21178 was submitted on Apr 11, 2018 16:44:13. This review is now closed.


--UTRSBot (talk) 16:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Talk page access restored[edit]

Following your request to UTRS, I’ve restored your talk page access so you can appeal here. As a note to other administrators: CU was requested in UTRS and found no other accounts. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni: Wait, I already appealed on UTRS. What are you going to do? Kurzon (talk) 13:44, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I concluded your UTRS appeal by allowing you talk page access so that you could make an appeal on this talk page that was transparent to others. I rarely unblock directly in UTRS: it's a system that only some admins use and no non-admins have access to, and I think it is better for those discussions to be open. You can copy your last message to UTRS as an unblock appeal here and another admin will review it. I'm sorry if that was confusing. In the future for other users, I'll remember to mention it earlier in the UTRS process. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:53, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

Kurzon (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribscreation logchange block settingsunblockfilter log)


Request reason:

@Just Chilling:@DoRD:@Boing! said Zebedee:@TonyBallioni:@Favonian:@Kuru: Some two years ago I sockpuppetted on the Talk page of Wikipedia to create fake support for my position. This foolish action happened in a moment of great frustration in negotiating with the other editors. Before the Superman article, I had worked on obscure articles that editors didn't care much for, which allowed me to do whatever I wish. I am proud of the work I did on those article, and I grew accustomed to that mode of working. When I began work on the Superman article, I was shocked by the level of resistance I faced with regards to the changes I wanted to make. I didn't expect to be challenged every little step of the way. What's more, I was frustrated by how reluctant the other editors were to examine my proposed changes and the state of the article. They were oblivious to the problems it had. There's a problem of knee-jerk conservatism on Wikipedia.

But this is simply how Wikipedia works, for good or for ill. Wikipedia is not my personal project, but a collective project. Here is what I propose to do in the future: Whenever I wish to make a major edit to the Superman article, I will propose it on the Talk page so that other editors can make remarks. This will assuage any lingering negative feelings that may exist after two years.

I am proud of the work I have done for Wikipedia and wish to continue doing praiseworthy work. There aren't many editors like me on Wikipedia: editors who do intensive research and write lengthy tracts of material. If I come back, I will moderate my zeal and do my best not to upset my peers. The last time I reacted rudely, it accomplished nothing.Kurzon (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Accept reason:

Welcome back. That said, you should take Boing!'s advice to "try to annoy as few people as possible" seriously. The ping orgy here borders on harassment, particularly pinging someone after they explicitly asked you not to. If you keep that up, you might find yourself blocked again soon. Huon (talk) 02:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Huon: Please do reconsider. Immediately after unblocking the user has returned to the same disruptive edit warring that resulted in them being blocked in the first place. They pulled the same trick the last time they were unblocked. Sro23 (talk) 03:52, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
@Sro23: That was not the reason I was unblocked. I was blocked for sockpuppeting. I have been unblocked now. I don't consider it edit-warring. My edits were reverted because they were done under socks. Now I'm back legally. I am the only guy who ever works on that article. If you don't let me edit it, it will never improve.Kurzon (talk) 03:59, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I've taken the liberty of putting this in an unblock request. Another admin will review it. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:14, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
@TonyBallioni: I don't think anyone is paying attention. Why don't you review it? Kurzon (talk) 17:17, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
This is in CAT:RFU, which is backlogged. I prefer not to review unblock requests when I have been involved in the UTRS discussion. Another administrator will review this request or may decide to take it to the community for further comment at WP:AN. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: No. I was told I could return on April 11, as my last socking was in October. Kurzon (talk) 14:18, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

FYI, Kurzon, you can't add pings to an existing edit - they must be added with a new, signed edit to be successful. (See WP:PING.) ​—DoRD (talk)​ 16:09, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Just Chilling:@DoRD:@Boing! said Zebedee:@TonyBallioni:@Favonian:@Kuru:@Alex Shih: Good to know that somebody is paying attention. Thanks Kurzon (talk) 16:29, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@TonyBallioni:@Materialscientist: I've been looking at this page -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Kurzon -- which lists my confirmed sockpuppets. Half of these are not mine. User:RoniSoviet is mine, but not User:Danassutra. Danassutra was banned just because she made one edit to Atomic theory, an article I extensively worked on. It broke my heart to read her plea on her Talk page. You realize I have lost a little bit of respect for your system. Your system is hardly foolproof. Kurzon (talk) 09:02, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree that Danassutra is probably someone else. Half of these are not mine. Okay, what are the others? ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:46, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
@DoRD: BaronBifford, Stg7, RoniSoviet, MobiSoviet, MobiComics, McDNamurComics are mine. The others are poor innocents. Kurzon (talk) 14:10, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
It looks like those accounts (Assemkal, Blanketface, Danassutra, Financial heroes 10, and Padrock) were incorrectly tagged to you, but I have corrected them now. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 15:30, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
@DoRD: Now what about me? Kurzon (talk) 15:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

@Just Chilling:@DoRD:@Boing! said Zebedee:@TonyBallioni:@Favonian:@Alex Shih:@Kurzon: I am sorry to keep pestering you but I feel like I have been forgotten. Who will review my case?Kurzon (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to think I was fairly clear in my message to you above on 9/4/2017; please do not ping me again. Kuru (talk) 17:35, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Kurzon, as I wrote below, you'll just need to be patient, so please stop pinging me and everyone else. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:57, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@DoRD: DoRD, I know it is customary to leave a case to be reviewed by the admin who made the block, but could you make an exception for me and review my case yourself? It seems nobody is paying attention. Just Chilling and Boing! said Zebedee are not responsive. Kurzon (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

On the contrary, it is standard procedure for the blocking admin to not review unblock requests. Considering the circumstances, though, I think that we need input from the other interested admins, so you'll just need to be patient. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 11:16, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
@DoRD: Okay. And I'm sorry for snapping at you earlier. Kurzon (talk) 15:23, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
  • My only contribution here appears to have been to unblock in January 2017 and then revert that unblock when I became aware that I had made a mistake. Apart than that, I don't recall any other knowledge of the case, and I am unlikely to have the time to do the research that I'd need to review your unblock request. Having said that, I'm a great believer in second chances and I have no objection if someone else wants to unblock. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:52, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

@DoRD: Nobody else is paying attention. Kurzon (talk) 07:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC) @TonyBallioni: Forgive me if this is impertinent, but two other admins have looked at my case and are not opposed to my rehabilitation. Perhaps now you would care to look it over and finally unblock me? Kurzon (talk) 11:20, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

I echo DoRD and Kuru's advice to you, and request that you stop pinging me. Someone will get to it in time. I'm sorry you have to wait, but the request for unblock backlog is quite large currently. TonyBallioni (talk) 11:51, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations, you have just become the first user to be added to my notifications ignore list. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 12:09, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Hey the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Kurzon (talk) 19:30, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
And the nail that sticks up gets hammered down. Seriously, all admins are volunteers, and there is a big backlog of unblock requests. I don't know about other admins, but editors with a history of wasting our time (by socking and then blatantly lying about it, for example) are not my highest priority. You'll simply have to wait, and try to annoy as few people as possible while waiting. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:21, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
@Marchjuly: I was teasing myself. Kurzon (talk) 12:49, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Boing! said Zebedee: I'm sorry to bother you, but how long is the typical wait time these days? It's been two weeks now. Kurzon (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

ANI notice[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 04:01, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sro23: Hey why don't you confront me directly? I am right here. Let's talk about it. Kurzon (talk) 04:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Huon: I have not violated the promise I made in my unblock request. Kurzon (talk) 10:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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