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List of states with limited recognition[edit]

Hello ! I'll have to revert your edits, as the new categories unfortunately don't work either. Abkhazia for exmaple does participate at the UN, via UNPO. For now I'll just merge the two categories into one "Recognized by at least one UN member" category. It seems to be the most NPOV, and given that the former second category only contains Palestine, it isn't much of a category at all anyway. Passportguy (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Your edits to Kashmir and Jammu and Kashmir[edit]

Your edits have been reverted, as they were unfounded and carried out without consensus. The pages have arrived at their present names as per well-established consensus in the past, and before making drastic changes please evolve a consensus on the talk pages. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 10:08, 5 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi ladril. The problem is harsher than it seems. Speaking about diplomatic recognition, we can't make a simple count of embassies (otherwise, we should have to discuss about international recognition of Bhutan). You said that ROC would not be the sole state with limited recognition that has de facto embassies abroad: this is not true or, at least, the scale of this phenomenon describes Taiwan as an unicum on international plan. Removing E&C Offices leads users to merge Taiwan situation with other situations, as Transnistria or TRNC, which are completely different. US Department of State [1], the Foreign Office [2], the Auswärtiges Amt [3], the Ministero degli Affari Esteri [4], le Ministére des Affaires Etrangeres [5], and many other ones, enlist Taiwan in their webpages about foreign missions. Certainly we know the formal adhesion of all these states to the One-China policy, but we can't hide the fundamental difference that in those webpages we can't find citations about Abkhazia or TRNC or Saharawians or Somaliland. If you arrive by plane in the airports of New York or London or Rome, and you try to enter in the United States or in the UK or in the EU/Schengen with a passport of ROC, you won't find difficulties; at opposite, if you have a passport of the Republic of Transnistria, you would realized you wasted the cost of the flight ticket. This fact depends by the informal recognition that ROC has in general international community, a hidden recognition which derives by the undoubted effectivity of ROC, a sure effectivity which lacks in all other cases of non-UN members in our wiki table (Kosovo, Transnistria, TRNC, Ossetia, & Co.).--Cusio (talk) 17:09, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I understand your point of view, but although Taiwan may seem to have a privileged position among states with minority recognition, it's far from being an unicum with respect to unofficial dealings (Kosovo passports, for instance, also seeem to find wide acceptance even in countries which do not recognize Kosovo independence). My main point of disagreement/contention is that the tables on the List of states with limited recognition page are already too cluttered to add information on diplomatic relations (one exception is the PRC, where I believe the info is crucial). However we should not fight over this. I propose you add an additional section on unofficial relations to the page, where you explain your argument about Taiwan. I hope this way we can all be happy. Ladril (talk) 17:19, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ladril. I agree with your idea. The main concept I think that page must explain, is the special position of Taiwan between partially recognized country, as we saw in websites of major world States; a special position which derives by the fact of being the sole independent country between them (the other ones lack of effectivity, as Palestine, or are considered puppet states, as Abkazia).--Cusio (talk) 17:03, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of socialist countries[edit]

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I recall Ladril, that you had some insight into international law and unrecognized states. I don't know your personal beliefs on Somaliland, but there is a discussion here at this template talk that's been ongoing regarding it. I ask you because I think you had a bit of knowledge in this field. I hope you join the discussion, a fresh voice would be much appreciated. Cheers! Outback the koala (talk) 06:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Glad you thinks so. Happy to see someone looked it over and approved. Happy editing. :-) Outback the koala (talk) 04:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Rocky Edit[edit]

I like your link, do you have any links to historical files, i have tons we can swap if you can get me from new york times!

I agree rocky is one of the greatest, but who is the greatest, people will argue forever, no such thing... think... different times, eras, people, especially nutrition, rules, gloves!

But I give edge to older fiters! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


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sovereign states sorting criteria[edit]

Sorry to bother here, but as you are a contributor to certain discussions at the List of sovereign states I would like to show you the recently compiled list of all proposals for sorting criteria so that you can express your opinion here. Thanks! Alinor (talk) 13:22, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

More information about Niue's statehood[edit]

I archived this recent post to Talk:List of sovereign states/Cook Islands and Niue, as I'm sure you'll want it with the rest of the information when the discussion arises again. Please let me know if this was okay. Nightw 12:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Ladril, can You vote for Niue inclusion to the list of sovereign states? If you agree with it. Jan CZ (talk) 15:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


A proposal to change the layout and sorting criteria of the article List of sovereign states has been finalised and submitted for consensus.

As you were previously involved in the discussion for this change, I thought I would inform you of the final proposal. Please provide comments here. Nightw 13:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


I've opened up a WP:RFM for List of sovereign states at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/List of sovereign states. Please indicate whether you agree or don't agree to mediation there. TDL (talk) 00:39, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

List of states with limited recognition at FLRC[edit]

I have nominated List of states with limited recognition for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Nightw 15:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

An AFD that may be of interest. Nightw 09:58, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

List of sovereign states[edit]

It seems we've finally found a mediator for this case. Please see the discussion here and indicate whether you consent to mediation. Thanks. TDL (talk) 23:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

List of sovereign states - sorting criteria[edit]

The initial MEDCAB mediator got busy and a second mediator is willing to take the case, but we need to re-state our acceptance/decline. Please see the discussion here and indicate whether you consent to mediation or not. Please, even if you don't expect to participate (because of lack of time or other reason) - state your acceptance/non-acceptance of the mediation process - so that we don't have to wait for unaccounted for users. Thanks. Alinor (talk) 18:29, 17 February 2011 (UTC)


Please read WP:CIRCULAR before editing there again. It seems plain enough to me, but if you think my interpretation of "Do not use articles from Wikipedia ... as sources" is wrong don't just revert it: just ask at WP:RSN and they will put me right. --Old Moonraker (talk) 17:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Draft for RFC[edit]

Finally got that draft done today. It's at Talk:List of sovereign states/Discussion of criteria. Nightw 11:50, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


I took a look, indeed very interesting. Niue does seem to conduct itself as if it is a state in these cases; and it treated as one. Thanks, food for thought.. :) Outback the koala (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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CI/Niue and their placement on List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Oceania[edit]

Hello, Ladril! I see your edition on List of countries in Oceania was not reverted by anyone during these two days. I think it means we can do such changes on other pages connecting with this. Don't you think so? User02062000 (talk) 04:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I would still wait a little longer. Site traffic is likely to decrease over weekends, and past experience suggests this page is only infrequently reviewed. Ladril (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

OK. User02062000 (talk) 06:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for the very useful summary you posted today on the talk page of the list of sovereign states - it is very good. Thank you also for your patience over the last few days, which has outlived the patience of some of the rest of us! Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed! Might be a good idea to put the summary at the top of Talk:List of sovereign states/Cook Islands and Niue when the discussion is ultimately archived. TDL (talk) 17:30, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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