Change of Europe to European Union
Hello, I've seen that you've exchanged in quite some video game related articles the term "European" with "European Union". Sometimes this change might be okay, sometimes not. The European Union was found 1 November 1993 by the twelve states of the European Community, for releases before that date the term "European Union" isn't a good choice. What speaks against Europe as a link target? --32X 15:43, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Super Mario RPG lists
Currently, Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars has two lists pertaining to it (List of characters in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, and List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). User:TTN decided it would be best to merge the lists into the main article and split Smithy Gang into those articles. I recently merged Smithy Gang into the list of chatacters by removing the non-notable characters, and I have asserted that a cameo section in the list of characters is valid, per Wikipedia:Trivia sections and Wikipedia:Handling trivia that uses Alex Trebek#Cameos as a good example. I have suggested that we rename the articles per Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves to something along the lines of Characters of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and World of Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars or Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) just like Characters of Final Fantasy VIII and World of Final Fantasy VI or Gaia (Final Fantasy VII). I believe if these articles are to evolve beyond a non-notable list, they should be renamed. For example, List of Final Fantasy VII locations was merged into Gaia (Final Fantasy VII), because a World article is notable, but a simple list of locations is not. That is why there are other secions of the article to make it a World article. It simply has not been renamed yet.
TTN believes the citations in the development and reception sections of the list of locations, books and magazines, are trivial sources. When I added that the 3D perspective of the game is reminicent of Equinox to the main article, TTN removed it since my souce was "the opinions of the Nintendo Power player's guide writers". Although it was actually Nintendo Power magazine, I do believe a magazine is a reliable source, and I gave a page from Next Generation Magazine which also said the same thing. In addition, I was surprized that TTN said that it was from the players guide, since he claims to own the players guide for the game. He has not verified this, since I asked him for citations in May, "Could you look in the back of the Player's Guide and tell me what “types” of … Magic? I forgot what they call it in the game … well, anyways, what types of Special Attack or whatever it is (actually, could you find out what it's called?) there are? I remember some vaguely when I owned the guide like “Fire”, “Jump”, “Electricity?”, etc. Could you provide a citation, like the page number with a quote in context?" TTN replied that he was going to "get to it" (User talk:TTN/Archive 5#List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars). TTN claims the player's guide is "at the bottom of a box that's behind at least five others in a cramped space". Seeing that TTN did not recognize that the page was not from the player's guide when I provided a scan of the page in question from Nintendo Power shocked me. However, I have continued to assume good faith by not questioning TTN's honesty.
Per Wikipedia:Consensus#Consensus can change, I have offered five different reasonable, temporary compromises that might integrate my idea with TTN's.
- Go over the list of characters so we can delete non–notable characters
- Rename the articles by following the steps at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting potentially controversial moves.
- Cut down the geography section list of locations by cutting it into the regional maps the adventures use when traveling from one to another. I can get pictures and write the fair use rationals, and someone can cut down the text that has no citation and does not allude to other media.
- Write the concept and creation and reception sections for the list of characters
- Write the concept and creation section for the main article
TTN rejected my compromise because it still keeps the articles. I agreed I would consider a redirect, but Wikipedia:Article size does not allow that, since the list of locations is currently 82 KB long. Instead, I agreed to help cut down the geography section that is the bulk of the article, but TTN rejected that as well because TTN states, "I am not interested in working on the article in regards to improving it." and "get past this "having sources automatically means that this information is good" mentality." TTN states, "I don't think they have or will ever assert notability." I have replied with, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, so if you don't think the articles will ever assert notability, we cannot yet know this, per Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it.
Re: Sonic the Hedgehog box art removed
Simple: Because the image has no fair-use rationale (FUR) or summary. Check it out here. If that user (and that user only) can provide a FUR and summary, I'd allow it back in. -- RattleMan 15:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- As the guy who edited Wipeout 3 quite a bit up to when David Fuchs made his significant re-write I must admit to feeling bruised. Having read the reliable sources doctrine carefully I agree the amount of admissable content reduces to almost nothing (it's an extreme policy if 'knowing the game' and 'reading the manual' are considered too 'primary' as research if you ask me) but to remove the Special Edition entirely seems a bit wanton. Whatever happened to 'not deleting useful content' and 'not without an explanation' :) Thanks for challenging it. RubyJester (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
While it is interesting and may be notable enough, Lunar Magic doesn't have anything to establish that it's even a well-known feature - for instance, a game that has become famous or very well-known for its modification. It existing and sources acknowledging it is not enough to say that SMW is very well-known for its flexibility. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Template:Rainbow Books has been nominated for merging with Template:Compact disc. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Conquerist (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2014 (UTC)