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Women's national football teams by class[edit]

Hi I'm wondering why you removed the recent changes I made to the article. Everything that I wrote add's something to the article and nothing has been taken away. I'm not sure why you think this isn't the best way to write the article nearly every country has this format, I'm not saying just because they have done it that way it is right but it's a fair indication. Looking forward to hearing from you, you can write on my page if you like, thanks.Snaz01 (talk) 15:20, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


FIFA national women's football teams by class

Hi. The maps are hand curated. I'll get to work on a map for women's football teams ASAP per your request. I'll put it on the task force page once I've finished. Delsion23 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Here is the map, as promised. I've coloured the countries missing teams or articles in brown. I've added it to the taskforce page, and also added a progress bar for the project. Thanks for the appreciation :) I'm glad the maps are useful and hope this one is too. Keep up the good work on sports articles! Delsion23 (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Nothing ever changes[edit]

I see that you are back and very active. I also note that little if anything has changed wrt the problems with your editing. I already had to move one article where you had invented a name instead of ging with the sources you had provided.

I was now looking at AS (classification). It's junk. You changed your earlier lead "AS is a Paralympic rowing classification. The classifications were developed and current as of March 2011." (which was nonsense) to [1] "AS is a Paralympic rowing classification. It is for people who have shoulder function." which is considerably worse. I hope I don't have to explain to a "credentialed member of the press" who has "a doctorate in communications", and who "primarily women's sport articles, Australian sport articles and Paralympic articles" (sic!) what the problems with that lead section are.

The body of the article is not much better. You start well enough with the definition, although it would have been better if you had added or just used the explanation given in Adaptive rowing classification. At least that article learns us what "AS" stands for.

But then you add the section "disability gruops", which has lots of contents and no clear link with AS. AS is for "rowers who have no or minimal trunk function", F5 is for "People in this class have some trunk function". You give no explanation of why you spend so much text on F5 or which authority has declared F5 and AS to be the same. One of the sources you use there, [2] makes it clear that AS is not solely for T12 spinal injuries, but may have completely different origins as well.

That you spend an excessive amount of attention to Australia in these articles is well known by now. Why you use the Australian definition and not e.g. one of the FISA directly (page 6) is not clear, and why you use a redlinked Aussie as the sole example of a sporter in this category, and not one of the sporters with an article already (including at least one other Australian!) is also a mystery.

I'll redirect the article to Adaptive rowing classification as a service to our readers (although that article isn't really up to par either). Fram (talk) 13:29, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, Just a reminder about the Tony Sainsbury DYK- you said that you'd have a look at it.
I'll have a look at the articles you mentioned in your email when I have time (some point this week).

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Proposed deletion of Sierra Leone national cerebral palsy football team[edit]

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The article Sierra Leone national cerebral palsy football team has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

There is no "Sierra Leone national cerebral palsy football team". There never has been one (at least, they never played a game or announced one). They were ranked 24th together with all other countries without a national team. There are no significant sources about the team, as it doesn't exist. Most of the sources are generic ones about cerebral palsy football (not the national team specifically), where Sierra Leone is mentioned.

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Proposed deletion of Kenya national cerebral palsy football team[edit]

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The article Kenya national cerebral palsy football team has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No "Kenya national cerebral palsy football team" exists. They have some vague plans to create one, as announced by the IFCPF, i.e. not a secondary source. No significant independent sources for this team exist.

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I could just explode right now.[edit]

Hi Laura, I've been skimming through some of the Paralympic images on the Commons, and I saw images uploaded this week with your tag on them. Please tell me that you are in Rio and that you are on the case to take a shed-load of images. I'm feeling slightly weak just thinking this is true. Your humble servant, FruitMonkey (talk) 12:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

This is too good to be true! First of all, have a great time and don't forget to enjoy yourself. Secondly, quality is all well and good, but you know as well as I do that the scarcity of any images for our Paralympians is a real shocker. So just go snap happy. Sometimes we only need a lanyard, a time and date or a competitor number or a lane and we can work out many of the athlete. I've really enjoyed going back through the commons playing spot the athlete. Have fun and I look forward to your endeavors. FruitMonkey (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

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BLP errors[edit]

Please be a lot more careful not to make stupid mistakes, like you did here. The constant cleanup your edits need is rather tiresome and worrisome. Fram (talk) 07:19, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Seriously? I had a quick explore after seeing this comment, and it looks like a rather easy mistake to make - Lili Xu vs Xu Lili - especially given Laura is at the Games and probably not on the best internet connection. Please Assume good faith, no need for all the adjectives. Orderinchaos 14:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
F!, I think that if u find it tiresome then you need to find a more useful subject area. This moaning about how difficult everything is means you need to find a more appreciative audience. If you sort mistakes into the "stupid mistakes" pile and the "amazing intelligent mistakes" then you will find that most of them are in the former group. Laura, my advice is to rely on the support of your peers as you cannot aspire to be in the same tiresome league as some. Victuallers (talk) 14:18, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
If this was her only mistake, I would agree. But she has made egregious mistakes in BLPs (and other articles for that matter) for years now, and it simply doesn't stop. You can see the above section "Nothing ever changes" for a dreadful article I redirected, or the deleted Sierra Leone national cerebral palsy football team and Kenya national cerebral palsy football team articles, or the massive changes I had to make to many paralympic calssification articles (with more yet to do) to get them somewhat better and remove the worst problems. Note that I am not the only one to see these problems, earlier this year a similar deletion happened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sint Maarten women's national football team. At the start of the year, she created Committee Paralimpic Andorra which was a made-up name. I also moved then Irma Khetsuriani back to her userspace because that BLP was filled with errors. One can go back years and years and always encounter the same kind of problems with her edits. Not to mention the execssive promotion of Australia and Australian athletes in many articles as well. Encouraging her to continue in the same vein is irresponsible. Fram (talk) 14:35, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Fram, the issue seems to be how you address her. Perhaps let someone else deal with it from now on? SarahSV (talk) 01:29, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
It would be great if someone volunteers, since this is a long-standing issue, going on for several years, and Laura prefers to never respond.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. Fram (talk) 12:09, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
There is no long-standing issue. There is someone consistently going through another users' edits trying to find the smallest mistake to immediately blast her with them. The example above is both ridiculous and extremely telling. Demanding perfection in all edits is unreasonable, this is a wiki. And the way you address her - do you honestly expect anyone to engage with you when faced with such obvious hostility? I'm going to repeat what the users above have said: just leave Laura alone - other people do not mind at all helping her work in a very underrepresented topic on all language Wikipedias. Raystorm (¿Sí?) 13:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Ymblanter, I was about to respond to your post when you removed it. It seems we agree, for different reasons, that it would be better if Fram were to let someone else look at this. As for whether anyone else needs to, when people know that someone is actively looking for errors, they get nervous, which might in itself cause errors. Perhaps the best thing is to let Laura get on with her editing. SarahSV (talk) 23:29, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
"Perhaps the best thing is to let Laura get on with her editing." Yeah, who cares about accuracy, BLP, and other pesky things like that. It's not as if she doesn't have a history of writing complete nonsense because she doesn't understand what she is writing about (both the language problem and the problem that she does,n't seem to understand most sports anyway). Keep up the good work! Fram (talk) 07:18, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
SarahSV, I fully agree, if there is someone who wants to look at the issue and may be come up with a good solution it would be excellent. I did it couple of years ago, when there was a series of complaints by Fram. I found the complaints justified and I also improved the quality of a dozen of articles (at the time, these were Spanish Paralympians, and the articles were in need of copyediting). This obviously was not a systemic solution. But just saying there is no problem is not helpful either.--Ymblanter (talk) 07:46, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea SarahSV. If someone was willing to work with these admins who are finding that editors do not respond to their style then that would be a great idea. I'm sure the help that Ymblanter gave to Laura helped (did she think so?) and I think the principle could be extended to others who have a repeated history of causing problems and some constructive assistance would be a great idea. I'm not volunteering, but a great idea. I'd much prefer to work with Laura or anyone else who wants help. Victuallers (talk) 14:48, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

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