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The "bold edit" was yours[1] in removing material long in a BLP - and BRD says one revert - then you need to discuss your bold edit there. I looked and looked and did not find the sourced material to be "POV smearing" and, alas, WP:BLP does not say "remove POV smearing" in any event. Your proper course is to present your desired edit on the BLP talk page and see how WP:CONSENSUS develops. Cheers. I suspect the discussion will be fruitful. Collect (talk) 13:00, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

The 'bold' edit was the original insertion of controversial material a couple of days before I reverted it. You then reinserted that controversial new material into a BLP twice, without communicating on the talk page about this issue. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. This is conduct quite unbecoming of an admin. Your proper course of action is to step back from this BLP as your political stance appears to have taken over your better judgement. LK (talk) 09:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


Nice quote. Thanks for the help on research.Whomyl (talk) 04:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

A request for Arbitration has been made for America: Imagine a World Without her[edit]

The request can be found here: Casprings (talk) 17:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lawrencekhoo, this is just a courtesy note to let you know that this case has been declined. On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Lankiveil (speak to me) 06:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC).

Al Gore & the VFW[edit]

Hello, The Veterans of Foreign Wars (capital first letters) is a specific US organization so the namesake category is not meant to include all "veterans who served overseas" (lower case first letters). I added a hatnote to the category to try and make the intended use clearer. Mr. Gore served in the Vietnam War so his military service is included in the article categorization with Category:American military personnel of the Vietnam War. (Gore actually was a member of a VFW fraternal lodge for a few years but that fact isn't even mentioned in the article and probably wouldn't be defining under WP:COPDEF/WP:NON-DEFINING.)

Based on that background, are you OK with me removing Category:Veterans of Foreign Wars from the Al Gore article? RevelationDirect (talk) 15:41, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. My bad. Sorry, should have done more research before my revert. Best, LK (talk) 03:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Dear Lawrencekhoo,

I would like to use the figure in my book entitled 'Your Future Job: How to Build a Career in the New Normal.' The book is intended for 17 to 22 year-olds, and is about just what the title says.

I believe the figure is public domain, which means I can use it. But this is commercial use, so I respectfully request your permission.

Thank you,

Dan Jelski — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Please feel free to use it. An attribution to the Wikimedia common page ( would be nice, but not necessary, since it's released to the public domain. Regards, LK (talk) 04:35, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Caroline Hoxby[edit]

Thank you for your response regarding the Caroline Hoxby article. There is in fact a reliable source for Hoxby's denial: she immediately wrote a letter of complaint to the Crimson, which was published at the time. Another editor noticed this a few years ago and posted it on the talk page:

I found the letter to the Crimson in which Hoxby said she had been misquoted regarding "race and gender bias": . I don't think the Wikipedia article should repeat a quotation by a student reporter if the originator of the supposed quotation claims to have been misquoted. --Orlady (talk) 21:22, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

However, the main reason I am contacting you is that I tried to post this query on the talk page of the article, and it did not seem possible. Can you tell me how to do it? Perhaps if the page is semi-protected, it is impossible to add anything to the talk page as well? From reading Wikipedia's online directions for adding comments, etc. to talk pp. I gather there should normally be an edit button showing. Rubric6 (talk) 04:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

I've removed the race/gender bias statement, since it's disputed and controversial. The Hoxby article has been semi-protected, you'll have to edit a bit more to become an 'auto-confirmed user', then you'll be able to edit the Hoxby page. Rgds, LK (talk) 05:20, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Printing press[edit]

Hi. You did not seem to mind that the article had been for over two years spiralled downward into a cesspool of off-topicness, incompetent ranting combined with petty Korean and Chinese nationalism, but as soon as I restored its contents and quality along the line of typographic printing you have nothing better to do to show up and attack me in the summary line. You couldn't have shown better your colours and class, or rather lack of it.... Gun Powder Ma (talk) 17:28, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Dear Gun Powder Ma, Please don't leave insults on my talk page. Thank you. LK (talk) 01:32, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but I don't have any time to check the sources, so I cannot verify the validity of the figures. Best of luck tracking everything down. Pericles of AthensTalk 05:46, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Contradiction on the fractional reserve banking page.[edit]

Given that you recently added the phrase "financial intermediary" to the lede, I think it appropriate that you should comment on the "main page contradicts itself" post on the FRB talk page. Thanks. Reissgo (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/Norodom Sihanouk/archive1[edit]

Hi Lawrence, thanks for your feedback and suggestions at the PR. I have looked through your recommendations, and while I am not able to agree with a few of your points, please feel free to take look at the explanations that I have input. I do not know how to implement the recommendations on the IPA and "alt" texts that you have raised; please feel free to assist if you are able to, but don't feel obliged if you are unable to do so. I hope to hear from you again :) Mr Tan (talk) 03:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Peter Schiff[edit]

Blind reverts are rarely useful: you could have done me the courtesy of addressing individual edits, which would have made you realize that my edits were done judiciously. You turned this article back into a fluffy, resume-style collection of factoids with lousy sourcing, and an atrocious lead. (talk) 14:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Just go slow OK, you removed nearly half the article there. LK (talk) 15:00, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Ten percent, and that's why I went step by step. (talk) 15:04, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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Money Creation[edit]

What objections do you have to the Bank of England Quarterly demystifying money creation?Quarterly Bulletin 2014Q1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WouNur (talkcontribs) 16:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I replied to your post on abortion in the modern liberalism article on my talk page.[edit]

If you're really interested in discussing it. VictorD7 (talk) 02:59, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA. It was very much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

For Translation[edit]

Can you translate this English wiki article "Big Four of Allied power in World War II" to Spanish language and create a Spanish version article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:6B45:500:9168:CE7E:6CBE:3250 (talk) 19:09, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Refactor at Talk:Hyperinflation[edit]

Greetings! I hate refactoring other users' talk page comments, but I felt that, to err on the side of caution, I needed to do it to one of yours at Talk:Hyperinflation. While it is very clear from the sockpuppet investigations that PennySeven has used IP addresses hosted in Portugal, I don't see anything in the archive that addresses the user's nationality or residence. Accordingly, I've struck that part of your comment and replaced it with a comment about the geographical location of the IP addresses.

I wanted to let you know that I did it and why I did it. If you'd like to discuss this matter further, feel free to continue this conversation via talk page or email. —C.Fred (talk) 20:09, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Dear Fred, I totally understand. If you look at the PennySeven SPI archives, the investigations link him with an earlier banned user User:Nicolaas Smith (PennySeven socks edited the Nicolaas Smith talk page). User Nicolaas Smith edited quite extensively in the past, and made clear who he was and what book he had written. I believe that makes it public information. Regards, LK (talk) 04:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Also this:
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Forty or 2000 page per day?[edit]

I see your edition in page Printing Press and put the speed of East printing about 2000 pages per day. However, recently Gun Powder Ma change this edition and put the figure forty per day. There is a huge difference between these two figure. 2000 is 50 times of forty. I wonder which one is the right。 Then the article claim Gutenberg invented the metal movable printing without source. However, in my memory it was first invented by Korean. Can you check these and add some reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2620:CC:8000:80:B8A0:AC65:7D8C:B16D (talk) 14:55, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Murray Rothbard[edit]

Please do not leave misleading or false edit summaries. There is no discussion for the term "heterodox" on the article talk page, and the version your friend Srich attempted to change the Lede to is clearly not consensus - in fact it appears that your friend SRich and a pair of suspicious IP editors are the only editors pressing for it.

Assuming good faith of course that SRich is neither the University Of Chicago IP nor the middle of nowhere China IP... which looks suspiciously like someone using a proxy. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 02:12, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

A search for "heterodox" in the talk page archives yields links to several discussions on the issue. I don't see what you hope to gain by stating something so easily disproved. Also, open proxies are routinely blocked by Wikipedia. There is no reason to believe that the IPs you point to are open proxies. Its not OK to make accusations about abusing open proxies without evidence. LK (talk) 12:58, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

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new user needing guidance[edit]

LK, I'm a wiki rookie interested in contributing a substantive piece on secular stagnation. I would appreciate any help or guidance you might offer.

I'm something of a subject matter expert on the topic, having written a book about 2/3 devoted to a permanent or at least sustained slowdown in material progress (approximately equal to economic growth for these purposes). C. Owen Paepke, The Evolution of Progress, Random House, 1993. I have stayed current with the subject matter and believe I could do justice to the 40 year history, the arguments for and against a systemic slowdown, and the four extant theories for why it might have occurred now after 200 years of rapid growth. I've had sporadic dialogs with some academics on the topic.

The current Wikipedia treatment is inadequate. Reading the talk page over the weekend, I saw what looked like a running ideological duel between Marek and EllenCT, which seemed to me better suited to a blog than an encyclopedia. I posted a long section on the talk page. As of this morning, that talk page seems to have gone away (so I don't know if anyone replied), and the comment that the article was under review has vanished. (The inner workings of Wikipedia remain a mystery to me, and I am content for them to stay that way.)

Doing a quality job on this would take me a few months. Though generally current, I would need to get a better understanding of Krugman and Cowen's thoughts and Gordon's most recent writings, as well as the Green take on this. I'm willing, even happy, to do this, but not if I'll just get caught in a crossfire and the effort will be wasted.

I read your comments to Marek and Ellen, which I thought were constructive (and likely to be disregarded). I welcome your thoughts on (1) whether a comprehensive rewrite on this topic would add value and (2) how to navigate the somewhat tendentious cross-currents apparent in the recent dialog. I'm offering because I think I am well versed on this subject and that it has practical significance.

I will await your reply here before proceeding. I don't have a page, as I don't plan to be a serial contributor.

Thank you for your time. (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2016 (UTC) Owen Paepke

Hi sorry for the delay in replying. I wasn't certain how to respond. I don't really have much advice to give. Just jump in and start editing. I suggest starting with something small, it's easier to see how things work if you edit a paragraph and see how people respond. Don't make a whole new version of a page before submitting. Wikipedia pages usually grow incrementally. Also, lastly, if possible always back up your edits with a source. I think the most trouble that new editors have with Wikipedia is that they don't understand the strict requirements for sourcing that Wikipedia has. Anything likely to be challenged should be backed up with a reliable source that's not self-published. Anything not backed up with a reliable source can be removed.
If you face any trouble, feel free to ask me for help, or to ask at the Economics wikiproject talk page. Best of luck, and have fun editing! LK (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

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Systemic bias[edit]

I would like to discuss the systemic bias issue with you off-wiki. Do you have a preferred method of contact? EllenCT (talk) 12:19, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't have anything to add to my previous advice. Respect the process, do the research to bring high quality sources, report them truthfully, and play nice. LK (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
There is no way to respect the process and bring high quality sources both, at this point. I have some statistics I have collected which I would like to discuss. I am not allowed to discuss them with you here. Are you willing to have a conversation about this off-wiki? EllenCT (talk) 14:31, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

RfC policy category[edit]

As can be seen by the RfCs listed on the RfC policy page, some are about questions of implementation of the policy. - And the existence of improper usage does not justify the creation of more improper usage. As I tried to convey, virtually every RfC has something to do with implementation of one policy/guideline or another, so that can't possibly be the intent of the category. It just fails a logic test. Also, bad form to revert someone else on article talk page. - Really? I wasn't aware that it's "bad form" to correct a significant misuse of the RfC template. Anyway, your change reverted the RfC creator's non-use of that category, so that assertion is more than a little hypocritical. Or does your rule apply only to the removal of something? No need to reply. ―Mandruss  05:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I can find nowhere that states that the RfC policy page should only discuss changes to policy, and that discussions about implementation of policy is (in your words) "improper usage". Your logic is tortured, I added the category as part of reformulating the RfC to what I felt was a more appropriate question. The original poster reverted my addition. One cannot revert the non-use of a category. If that were so, every addition to an article would be a reversion. LK (talk) 05:59, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
It's your talk page, so you must be right. ―Mandruss  06:00, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Question - this is my talk page - but I assume you are talking about something else? If so what? I'm genuinely curious. LK (talk) 06:02, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
If you're referring to my preceding comment, I only meant that your response to my very logical argument is to resort to legalisms and to call it "tortured". Given that, continuing would probably only result in you removing the "discussion", as per your right on your own talk page and your statement at the top: "Note: I reserve the right to keep and archive only those conversations I deem relevant to Wikipedia." I know when I'm wasting my time, and I don't edit war, and I'm not going to start an RfC on the purpose of that RfC category. So I surrender, congratulations. ―Mandruss  06:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Ehh, it never crossed my mind to remove this. If you check my history, I only remove stuff that is clearly off-topic and/or people being excessively rude. LK (talk) 06:16, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

RFC comments[edit]

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Kodak Black[edit]


Just wanted to check what was up with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kodak Black? Just a quick read through the article appears to show it meeting GNG and NMUSIC, along with more on the talk page. Would you consider withdrawing the nomination? Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 15:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Widthdrawn RfC[edit]

If you wish to declare a consensus, feel free, but do so outside of the withdrawn RfC. Same subsection would be fine, but certainly outside of the closed part. Marteau (talk) 09:21, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Initiators do not 'own' a RfC, and they certainly do not get to write the consensus statement for it. If you feel that my closing statement is wrong, you are free to challenge it at Dispute resolution or at ANI. LK (talk) 14:14, 4 July 2016 (UTC)


Hello, my name is Joseph I am working on a project about The Great Depression, and searching for information I found your graphic of the US GDP between 1910-1960, so, I would like to know if you could gave me the datums you used to make the grafic. It's because I want to do a graphic but with percentatges. I would be so grateful if you could do this little favor for me. Your sincerely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:34, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

The sources for the data is listed on the pages of the graphics. Here and here.
You get find them online here and here. LK (talk) 02:06, 13 July 2016 (UTC)