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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. O Fenian (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Lihaas! I just want to repeat that you should take a deep breath and be calm. You should revise your initial response, which gives a bad impression. It is not easy to feel that you are under attack, of course!
I would suggest that you calmly provide diffs and links to statements by administrators about your behavior, which typically mention your good faith and good editing, even if they rarely comment on an isolated problem. It is ridiculous for them to smear you for temporary and then quickly released blocks, when you were acting to save articles on hot current events, and facing disruptive and destructive edits. The problem is that WP lacks editors willing to edit the current events articles, which are inherently attract disruptive editors.
Let others do the defending. In my opinion, the RFA is far below the standard of actionable RFAs, and administrators will first ask that it be edited, before anybody will take it seriously. My guess is further, that you will be asked to agree that you will only cite documents using the word "terrorism", if you want to post incidents of terrorism, for example. I'd hope that the other editors criticizing you would also receive advice about how they treat you, etc.
Warm and sincere regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 12:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree with you, but i was also the one to make such discussion when others made the change (the new page doesnt mention terrorism at all, but i still tried for criteria)
I mentioned the ITN nature of positive edits(Lihaas (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)).
So they removed the only hope of consensus. I'm sorry, then.
In debates, a cheap tactic is to make a lot of little allegations all at once. If the adversary defends himself against every allegation, then they will be seen as defensive and they will only be answering the attacker's battle ground. Remain calm, and just respond the most important attacks in a calm fashion. Impartial observers can recognize what is going on. Don't worry about defending yourself against everything.
You are also allowed to be human, and occasionally make mistakes, and even mutter a disagreeable word on rare occasion. Everybody has made mistakes. You should look at other RFCs to see how real problem editors behave. My guess is that your case will be regarded as a waste of time, for all, that should have been resolved elsewhere. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 13:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I calmed dwon from the initial heat of the moment. then i dont think i resolved to all little allegation and resorted to defending my general actions of good cotnent. was that okay?
I believe someone resorted to hauling you to admin instead of resorting donclifct resolution, how did that work out?(Lihaas (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)).
I noticed your becoming calm, with admiration.
Oh, I have been cautioned a few times, but (unless my senility is worse than usual today) only in exchanges with an apparently departed editor (Eds...), whom I was told privately to ignore---great advice, and in connection with the Swedish elections page, where we met.
You can read about my rather tame (mis)adventures on my current talk page. I suppose that the administrator decided I had learned my lesson and I had pledged not to repeat a complaint naming an administrator(editor?) on a talk page (rather than an RFC) or had better things to do, or probably both. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 14:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I am glad that this (at best distracting) chapter has been closed. What a waste of time and energy!
However, you did receive some well deserved and long overdue statements of support and admiration, for your many and deep contributions to the most contentious and challenging pages on Wikipedia. Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 09:56, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

2011 Egyptian protests

You undid my edit in which I included a speech early on the 29th, and you made it part of the events of the 28th. Do you think the demonstration is over and everyone will go home now, or at 1 am, or 2 am with a clean break between Jan 28 events and Jan 29 events? If some other building is burned or people are shot at 3 am or 5 am would you still keep that under the January 28 heading? What is your intuitive time for events being listed under the next day? I would say January 29 is January 29, and not just "technically speaking." The speech belongs with other events which happen on the 29th. Perhaps the layout will be more obvious in a few hours, as events continue. Edison (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: Uprising

Is splitting the background a good thing? Its really small and short. It like a summary by itself. thoughts? We gonna have to spilt the timeline soon. maybe by Saturday Hopefully, Mubarak will leave before the article get bigger (for us) and more ppl die (for the Egyptians) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 13:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

  • CNN just released an article that discusses the identity of the pro-Mubarak supporters. [1] -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude, No today we had a bombing and protests are still going on. Keep in mind that most of them have not left the place since Wednesday night. Tomorrow is gonna be a big day tho. I have been busy today with my girl friend but I am back now for few hrs. You can undo the vodaphone thing IF it was mention in the other article or in the main article. I got the SMS and I am gonna upload a picture of of the SMS soon. BTW, 4 and 5 needs major update. I am start working on the 4, you wonna take 5th? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Mubarak steps down as NDP party leader and NDP members starting to leave the party too -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude, I am so sorry. The above thing turns what to be bad news. It was like the whole Gamael leaving the Country thing. BTW, I didnt remove the disambiguate last time. I think its helpful so we dont get the many edit request to the page regarding Domestic and international reaction. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
[2] [3] -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I think less edits have been done to the page due to the fact that its semi-protected and it has not been on the ITN section for a while. Today should be another million man march. I talked ppl there and they say they are not leaving til he leaves even if they have to wait til September. We do need to work on the article tho. I was the only person working on yesterday. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I am going to work on the 6th. Hope to finish it soon. You should work on the 7th less you wonna switch. Alexandria already have their version of "tahrir square". They have the train stations of El Ramel, Siedy Bisher, al-Qaed mosque. and El Manshya. I have no idea what will happened when Mubarak leaves, its anyone guess. If the government accepts all the demand it might be different the Tunisia. If they dont, I dont know what will happen. The MB is loosing a huge support (even among their young supports) for speaking with the government before Mubarak stepped down. BTW, new death toll number have been released At least 297 killed in Egypt unrest (Verified) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Center Party (Hizb Al-Wasat)- a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot with moderate tendencies. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
They belong to the reformed part of the MB (the younger faction that wanted to reach out to the copts) and they are a bit more secular. what is "that" which you wonna add to the template? I am confused. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
BtW, you should nominate the article for ITN. They will accept. Yesterday was the biggest protest ever and the new confirmed number of death should put it over the top. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

BTW, what is ditto? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 13:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I have lived in Canada for a while -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 14:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

  • BTW, Hamas eyes Brotherhood rise - Change in regime in neighbouring Egypt could be a major boost for the Hamas movement which has been ruling Gaza for the past four years. Hamas' early origins lie in the Muslim Brotherhood, and the two groups still have very close links. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:49, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
    • I read the papers. Honestly, I thought it would have been worse. Aljazeera over sold it (its not the arabic version of wikileaks). I dont know if hamas are talk to Israel. Too much blood between both of them. That said, I think the Egyptian Uprising (Yes, I think it has reached that level NOW) to good for peace. It will make the right-wing really think about it and perhaps agree to the 1967 two state solution. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
      • Netanyahous has lierberman balls in his hands and he squeezing the shit outta of it so lierberman wont speak. They dont wonna make Egypt more anti-Israel (Even tho, I dont think Egypt can be more anti-israel Remember the whole israel shark thing). BTW, which section are you working on? to avoid edit conflict. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Boutros Boutros Ghali was on TV last night. Here's the link غالي : خائف علي مستقبل مصر. BTW, Farouk El-Baz has also spoken. Net very kind words to Mubarak; Found links Arabic Link English Link. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

OMG, HE MIGHT BE LEAVING (office) TONIGHT -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

[4] need your support -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I honestly did not catch that -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

OK. Now I am pissed. I saw Omar and Mubarak's Speech. They want war, they got one. Tomorrow is going to be the biggest protest the world have seen in this MILLENNIUM. I got the word right now that people are coming out with numbers that has not been seen on TV. They are also moving to the palace. Bloody fucking idiots, if he stepped down today, noone will be killed tomorrow. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 21:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

  • You gonna get us blocked; Breath man. We never thought it was a short fight. The army was, is and always be trusted by Egyptian. They always have NPOV. They are the people's army; for the people by the people. we dont want this to be 1952 nor Iran. Peaceful til the end. Ghandi style. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 00:14, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
    • Just because the west likes something doesnt make it bad nor evil. MLK is loved by the west. Even Che is loved in europe. Keep in mind that I have friends among the protesters, I dont want to see them harmed. I got family there that I dont want to killed nor live in chaos -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 00:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Personal Question: What is your political views? Where do you stand on the political compass? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

  • (socially centre-right) so you are pro-life, against gay marriage, for stricter immigration laws, against WEED or am I wrong? --
    • I thought I talked a hardline right winger for a second and freaked myself out. me and you diff only on the Economy (I think). Anyways, back to article, The (Analysis)‎ part needs to stay or everything in it well be taken out now and then add later and we might loose the sources for it. beside, it will start an edit war and seeing how the article has many editors working on it, its bond to happen and I dont think its wise for either of us to get into one right now due to the edit conflict that we had with the polish IP -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
      • socialist, no. 3rd way. I am not an economist (even tho I am doing my masters in Economics). I never claim I have all the knowledge because only an ignorant man does that. Back to the article, I trying to work on the Analysis thing a bit here but I trying to come everyone down for the time being otherwise, edit wars and the article goes nowhere. beside we have many IP editing the page and untrusted user to we need to keep an eye on them now for the time being. There's a mosque (Its Egypt, there are mosques everywhere) is there and they use it as hospital too. I gonna go to bed now (at-least try to). so tired. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 01:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The NPD is different than the ruling party in Tunisia. The NPD was built around Mubarak, Mubarak collapse, party is too. Same thing happened when Anwar El Sadat decided to the change his party and start the NPD. All members of the old party switched to the new one. In egypt, we didnt have a party, we had a person ruling the country. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:40, 11 February 2011 (UTC) PS: Need your support to rename the article a revolution. see talk page -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you about the revolution part but keep in mind how long it will take us to find enough people to agree on a double rename. It ok. to be a bit ahead for now than too late. beside, google trends is on the revolution part. Omar is done. Army does not like him. Tantawi is one of us and he cant stand his ass or sami anon. and Protesters cant stand omar. NPD was not the ruling party, it was ruler's party. I am on facebook but I remain anonymous there for reason I will explain later. If you give me your account, I will add you and I will be able to explain there. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
See Google Trends (egyptian protests, egyptian revolution) [5] -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

I understand the NPOV issue. I also understand that emotions are running high. But that does not change the fact that a 83 yr old dictator who ruled for 30 with an iron fist was over throwing and a new constitution is being written. If you look at the american revolution, thats how it was. There also the trends and the fact that Mubarak said the 197 article from the constitution will be taken out (ending Emer. Laws). But I understand your point of view and respect you for it. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 19:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC) You can add me on facebook -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)


Few things. Easier to respond to you directly since the talk page is so hectic:

  1. Thanks for all of your work, including keeping POV in check and a general eye on the article. The reason I added Christians and Women to the lead is because they are the notable addition to the political scene, and their presence in the protest--along with secularists in general--is one of the main factors that distinguishes this event from a typical Islamic fundamentalist uprising. They don't have to be mentioned explicitly, but I think it is a noteworthy aspect of the protests and not a POV issue to do so.
  2. Did you remove the Arrests and Deaths section? I'm having trouble finding when the change happened or where some of the content went. [It appears there's some markup issue since other editors are saying they can see it in the edit box but not on the page...any idea?]
  3. I've noticed a few spelling or grammar edits slip in from a few of your recent versions. Happens to all of us and I've done it several times already, but please give a quick check if you can before you post to see if you can catch them.
  4. Oh, forgot one. Sourcing from the television is kind of a mixed blessing. It's easy to find and often up-to-the-minute, but it can't be used for quotes, and it might be better to do a google search for a hard-copy source. I think that's my preference; it takes a few minutes longer but the content will be more robust afterwards. Ocaasi (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again, and cheers, Ocaasi (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

re:#4. Right, I think with very breaking news, it makes sense to post it on Talk and wait for an online source. That allows both confirmation and avoids having to do the referencing twice or leave out quotes. I guess that could go either way, but I'm still partly attached to treating this article as one small step behind the news, for encyclopedic purposes. Ocaasi (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think Breaking News is a great place to put it. That way we can encourage other additions to go there as well and turn the talk page into a little holding tank for new additions waiting for sourcing/confirmation. Also, I pretty much don't give a shit if you check your grammar with me, just at the article. Ocaasi (talk) 15:54, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Currency war

IMO the historical sections are already good enough for GA status. For FA it would need more on the 1930s currency war, but that might require some serious research. Ive found dozens of mentions of the 1930s outbreak, but theyre mainly incidental as part of wider coverage of the great depression. I agree the perspectives section needs updating / trimming / rewriting before we put it up for GA. Dont see any reason why you ought to wait for me to respond if there any edits you want to make. We can just boldy edit / revert each other and then go discuss if need be (the standard WP:BRD cycle which is a nice efficient way to build articles). FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Liked most of your changes, though I returned Can, Aus and NZ to a seperate section to the US as they are in a very different situation and are playing very different roles. Probably China should have its own section to as its one of the two key players. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

ITN for Kosovan parliamentary election, 2010

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk page clarification

I'm sorry if I did not make my point clear... I meant the heading as a question of whether at some point the title of the article may need to be changed. Just like others above on that talk page asked if the title should be "revolution." So my question was appropriate, I feel, (and similar to the headings) for that discussion page. Sorry if I did not express it clearly enough. My point was about what the nature of this actually will turn out to be, and if the title needs eventual changing...or maybe at some point another article (if it does actually turn out to be an actual "civil war") may need to be created. Just like the point about the word "revolution" which was raised a few days ago. Cheers. Archiver of Records (talk) 23:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:2011 Egyptian protests

Your comments would be appreciated on this page that may be of interest to you.

 :-) !Wipsenade (talk) 11:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Cool it man with that Polish IP sock User talk: I'm geting evidence on other pages (see Chetniks) ect, to get him temporally blocked off of the Egypt related pages!--Wipsenade (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian protests -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Conflicts

Lihaas, a couple of times now you've deleted sections right after I've added them, without comment, perhaps unintentionally; for example this diff. I'm wondering if this is being caused by you doing something strange when there's an edit conflict? --Physics is all gnomes (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

More details: The other one was here where you reverted some changes I made to the international reactions section. It's just been pointed out to me (somewhat aggressively!) that I accidently reverted someone's recent change as well : are we both doing the same thing wrong, or could there be a bug in the software? --Physics is all gnomes (talk) 20:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

(Copying discussion of the first diff from my talk page here, this is getting confusing ;))--Physics is all gnomes (talk) 20:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

that wasnt an edit conflict (poor edit summary i agree), but the same content was already mentioned in the timeline bit above.Lihaas (talk) 20:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, . I readded it to deaths before I got this message, as I thought it logical keep the death section as up to date as possible, but feel free to remove it again if you still disagree. --Physics is all gnomes (talk) 20:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Barack Obama, Sr.

Newross did a huge rewrite of the Barack Obama, Sr. article in a chronological fashion. He pushed existing sources together with some birther sources from WNT that didn't seem to support the other sources fact. The chronological rewrite appears to be NPOV but the sources are questionable. Since he attempted this on Obama Jr.s article can you take a look at his edit please? Alatari (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. This is a mess. It is a well organized rewrite with terrible sourcing combinations. I created a sandbox and now for the screaming since i reverted back to Jan 21. Meh... Alatari (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


Hi Lihaas, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this phrase: "as well as a revolt from southern secessionists (where Osama Bin Laden is originally from[7])". How can he be "from" southern secessionists? People are "from" places. I am "from" England, and he is "from" Riyadh. If you are trying to say something different (I'm guessing you want to say that ObL's father is Yemeni, which is not the same as saying that ObL is from Yemen), please say so clearly and in English, rather than reverting perfectly reasonable changes. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 07:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. It was not stated clearly, that's all. Ericoides (talk) 11:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
How you've rephrased it is perfect :). Ericoides (talk) 17:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


I responded to you on the article's talk page - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikiquette alerts page

Dear IP number User:, User:The Egyptian Liberal and User:Lihaas, I have mentioned your cat fight over Talk:2011 Egyptian protests on the Wikiquette alerts page. Remember to read the WP:CIVIL page. it is a sensitive topic and warring over it will only cause more trouble. You can appeal here [[6]] if you think I or the Admin' have been too harsh over this issue. Sorry, it had to be done. I recomended the IP for a 12 to 24 hour ban to, so he could calm down off line.Wipsenade (talk) 16:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


I did mentioned him stalking you, the IP User: say bad thing about you and other users. He is the bad guy, that is why I though He should be temp' blocked. --Wipsenade (talk) 17:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I beleave the IP to be a troll. Every one else just needs to be WP:CIVIL. un-WP:CIVIL is much less upsetting than an IP troll or bad guy--Wipsenade (talk) 17:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Case now resolved and dropped.Wipsenade (talk) 10:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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admins have rules to follow before posting (see admin quide on the page), one of which means posting a note on the article page when its posted on ITN. And second is to give crdit to nominees/substantial contriobutors.(Lihaas (talk) 06:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)).

Don't patronize me. As a frequent ITN/C commenter, you should know that I frequently update ITN and, therefore, don't need you to explain to me what the procedure is. If I missed something, you should be capable of adding a notice to someone's talk page rather than being a dick about it. -- tariqabjotu 11:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
what are you talking about patronising. I was "adding a notice" as you suggest. If i was "patronising" there would be a far more visible anger or tempaltes (but we dont template regulars). And i wasnt the one who wrote "being a dick about it" which is a NPA that i never wrote.Lihaas (talk) 06:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
No, you added a notice to my talk page, rather than to the talk page of the article or editor where an ITNtalk or ITNcredit is normally placed. And, yes, it is patronizing. You may have typed the message yourself, but it is effectively a template response --precisely what you would have told a new admin who had just edited ITN for the first time. And, thanks for reminding me that I said you were being a dick; I almost forgot. -- tariqabjotu 00:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

photo in 2010 Baghdad Church Attack article

Lihaas, wasn't there a photo in the article at one point? Where did it go? Or am I remembering incorrectly? --Kenatipo speak! 02:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it said "Syrian" instead of "Syriac" in English on the church's own sign, adding to the confusion. Thanks. --Kenatipo speak! 16:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
You mean the Stock Exchange that WAS NOT the target of the attack? --Kenatipo speak! 17:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:2011 Egyptian protests

Lihaas, no one really added to our discussion on background info. So, what is next? I see a lot of info that is not totally relevant to the subject. In fact I do not know who put this list together? It seems to me it is a random list that does not in fact stick to the main reasons of the protests. What is your opinion and is there an alternative approach on this issue? --Osa osa 5 (talk) 05:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't comment at the talk page. The background section covers a variety of information important to understanding the historical context in which the protests arose. Not every event was directly causal but they all help inform the reader. That's why the section is called Background and not Causes. Does that distinction help? Ocaasi (talk) 23:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


Hey, I sorry I have not replied soon. Some friends came over and took me out to celebrate and I am still kinda of hang to da over. I am not worried about the MB, they are weak. I just learned that during the protests. The NPD and Mubarak made them seem much stronger than they are. There number are around 1.5 million (Christian alone out number them). People have their asses as much as NPD and almost of other political parties. and it always good to have a strong beloved secular army like ours if they wonna turn us into iran Also I know that some NPD members are still there but they are not stupid enough to fuck with the army (they got guns). Many of them a trying to leave. we shall see what happens in the next few days. The article is been ravaged by animals now. I might work a bit on the article Clean some shit up. PS: Algeria is gonna be very interesting. They have really extremist there and I feel more people are going to die than Egypt and Tunisia combined. We shall see what happens on the 14th (My guess its gonna be a big day in Iran and Algeria) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:21, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

In my opinion, Yemen is fucked. America might let democracy kick in in Saudi before then let go of Yemen and I understand why. Somalia and Yemen will be Afghanistan pre-2001. Those two country need a strong man (He has to be uncorrupted) and the only strong men there are Al Qaeda. Beside Houthis and Southern secessions. I see hope almost everywhere, but even I cant see a good outcome for yemen. but I might be wrong
Algeria is different. The country had a civil war (BTW, I never saw a war that was civil) like Yemen. The Islamist there are armed and dangerous. But the army is strong and secular. If the army is willing to let only secular party to run for office and make to "almost" democracy, we might see major reform but nothing like Egypt and Tunisia.
If I was a betting man, and I am. My money will be on Syria. Arabs have a rivalry between them. When Mubarak was asked about his son taking over, he used to say "Egypt is not Syria". that pissed a lot Syrian and they tough the same thing will happen in Egypt. Now that Gamal is out, They are more pissed off. I think that where the next big one is going to happened. Things are gonna be more clear on the 14th. I think tomorrow is gonna be a big day in Iran, Syria and Algeria. We shall see.
PS: I know that you dont like Ghandi but I think you would agree with his view on the Partition of India. I think it was big mistake on the Muslim League part and muslims who accepted it (I was muslim until few days ago and even then I thought I was a fuck up). I think if India and Pakistan can see beyond what separate them as people of different faith, and unite; there is no telling what they will be be able to do. They will have China by the balls. A super-power. but I cant see that happening within the next 5 yrs. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 11:39, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Oh shit, I thought that I kept my location hidden. But yes, I live there and honestly, there is noway on anything happening there unless the foreign workers decide to do anything. I think we should get back to the article now, things seems to be clam -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 13:48, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
No man, we are not going to stop until ALL our demands are met. They changed the government again today but we are not buying it. too many of Mubarak's friends are in the new government. This not going to until September when we hold free and fair election. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 02:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Jumu'ah (Arabic: جمعة‎‎) (also known as jum'ah, means Friday.) Tunisia is calm at the moment. They are cleaning the country from Bin Ali partners. Islamist have closed some Brothels there and they are talking more but they have almost no power in a country that's mostly secular. BTW, I was gonna talk to you today. I was thinking about splitting the Egyptian protests timeline to pre and post Mubarak's resignation; Then I was gonna put the pre Mubarak's resignation up for peer view before nominating it for Good Class. I think it will be very easy to to get up up to Good or maybe featured. Do you wonna do it? seeing how much you helped with it, at-least credit should go to one of us. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 06:33, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned in the main article about the revolution and also in timeline if it said talks about Alexandria or any other city that had a place where people gathered. In Alexandria, you got (Ahmed) Orabi Square (Mansheya Square), Saad Zaghlul Square and Tahrir Square (formerly Mohammed Ali Square (originally Place des Consuls), , in Downtown. While you have The Forty Square (Arabic: ميدان الأربعين‎‎ in Suez. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:50, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I am in Cairo right now. Its crazy. I trying to convince the youth leaders not to stop until all demands are meet. We are also are discussing that fact that the army needs to hand its power over to a presidential council made outta four people (3 civilian (Leftist, Liberal, and Intellectual) and an army personnel). We are also working with wikileaks to release the documents (even the sheered papers). The government that has form is ours. so yes, its a full blown revolution. I am gonna need your help updating the Analysis section. I have put some ideas and a draft in the talk page. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 10:32, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, we have few problems with that. The Leftist, the Liberals, the army and a majority of intellectuals have a problem with the brotherhood. The army (Gamal Abdel-Nasser) fucked the brotherhood and they tried to kill him and the army will never forget that (Also Islamist killed Anwar). They fucked the left and liberals (even tho they had an agreement among them not to run if one of them held a seat in any area to try to kick the NPD ass) in the 90s during election so they dont trust them. Leftists, Liberals, The army, and Many Intellectuals are worried that that MB might turn Egypt into an Islamic state or would try a coup. and you cant work with someone you cant trust. Beside, we are just talking about it right now. The MB also has some issues to deal with. Islamist are tearing each other apart right now. Ashar, Salafis, MBs, Sufis, The centre party and Gama'at Islamiya are taking talking shit about each others (as I thought). The MB youth is spilt between joining the centre party and some want to over throw the old leaders out (The reformist wing of the MBs youth). Everyone here is having a revolt of some kind against the old faces from the last 30 yrs; Its crazy and beautiful. PS: Did you the the proposal on the talk page? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 14:11, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I know, its great. We are trying to dismiss it too and we are doing the same thing to NPD. BTW, 2011 Lebanese protests needs your help. Outta everyone I have talked to wiki, you seem to be the most knowledgeable about Lebanon in general. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Algerian protests page reorg

Probably the best would be to propose a reorg strategy on the talk page. Give it a delay depending on your patience, prepare a reorg in an editor, trying to avoid dropping any material, and then go ahead if nobody answers/objects within a "reasonable" delay.

Using a tag if/when you make the reorg might be a good idea, with a very short delay. See Wikipedia:Template_messages/Maintenance#Articles_undergoing_major_edits. Probably something like: {{Inusefor|5 minutes to reorganise the page structure}} would give you enough time to preview the new version several times until it looks OK, save, and then remove the tag and save again, might be OK. Anything longer might be considered as you trying to "own" the page. i don't know if there are any guidelines of what would be considered reasonable.

But please don't rely on me to clean up errors. If i see things that look wrong, chances are i'll try to clean up, but no promises. Boud (talk) 22:56, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Palestine elections before october

Hi! The elections are before october. It could be the last day of September. In English, they say "no later than september", in Spanish, antes del fin de septiembre, in Italian, entro September. The error occurs because editors want to make reference to that month in the title, so they write "before" September. Regards. Againme (talk) 01:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. Both English and Spanish titles in the references are wrong. You have to read the main text to get the proper picture. I spoke to Ansalatina editor today about it... It is a matter of news bussiness... you do not want to mention in your title a month other than the one everybody else is writing in... Greetings. Againme (talk) 01:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Also, please be careful on writing just "Palestine", because that term refers to the whole region for now, at least until they have their own independent state, if they in fact do so some day. Againme (talk) 01:59, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
If that is your position, please write State of Palestine to be specific on what you mean. As you can see for yourself, Palestine refers in Wikipedia to the whole region. That is the stablished consensus for now. Againme (talk) 02:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
It was in the source. After all my explanation using every language in the references, you did not seem to understand. Anyway, they changed the title to the proper october, so did I. --Againme (talk) 18:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi again. Logic is not Original Research. Anyway, now we have a source that says October. --Againme (talk) 18:58, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah! :) --Againme (talk) 19:14, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

2010-2011 Arab world protests

Sorry to bother you, but in this edit you added a hidden message below the header dedicated to Iraq, saying that it is different from other Arab countries because it is democratic (as well as Lebanon). Although I don't disagree with you, I decided to remove your addition because it did not seem relevant — while not authoritarian like other Arab World countries, Iraq is nonetheless in the midst of protests demanding changes in security and utilities. That alone is enough for it to be included uncontroversially. If you disagree, don't hesitate to reply and I'll listen to what you have to say. If you'd like a broader audience in discussing this, I recommend bringing it up on the article's talk page. Master&Expert (Talk) 04:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Article titles

Fine, but if it's 2010–2011 Tunisian revolution, then it *has* to be 2011 Egyptian revolution, not Egyptian Revolution of 2011. One or the other, but not both. —Nightstallion 17:56, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Egypt page names

Lihaas, though i agree the move from protests to revolution at the main page was premature, now that it's stuck, the domestic/international reactions articles should follow suit. Revolutions is not a bad name, it's just a little ahead of the curve. Still, given the current events nature of all the articles, I think that's not too much of a problem. So consistency becomes the next concern. Do you disagree? Ocaasi (talk) 19:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC) You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Ocaasi's talk page., sorry I responded on my talk page. Took almost as long to post this, but it will keep the convo in one place. Ocaasi (talk) 19:52, 13 February 2011 (UTC) again,

added photo to Baghdad church attack article

Hi, Lihaas. I added a photo of Our Lady of Salvation church to the article. It's the only photo of the church we had in the Commons, I think. Better than nothing I guess. --Kenatipo speak! 02:33, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

That looks great, Lihaas, thank you! --Kenatipo speak! 03:15, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Lihaas, I had to remove the photo. Kelly, who knows about these things, says it may be lacking the proper permissions! --Kenatipo speak! 14:23, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit comment

let's not use vandalism/sabateur in edit comments. if there's an offense, an/i is the place. i think it's past though. Ocaasi (talk) 22:36, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

oh, definitely shouldn't have been deleted. but prosecutions in edit comments rarely help. back to the page. discussion is coming along. difficult choice. Ocaasi (talk) 22:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:2010–2011 pro-democracy protests

Hi, can you clarify which title you want restored? (2010–2011 Arab world protests or 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests) Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 23:57, 15 February 2011 (UTC)


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Nomination of Europeada 2008 for deletion

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Process for it's own sake

Process simply for the sake of process is not something that should be encouraged. I'm pretty disappointed that you feel we must go through a requested move procedure for something that isn't really controversial, but if you insist... Talk:2011 Libyan protests#Requested move :)
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 05:41, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


You're reverting to re-add the self-serving statement of a relatively minor online forum group trying to glom onto what's happening in Libya for their own publicity? really? I mean, really? Read the paragraph directly above the one that you re-added, please.
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 05:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

FYI: Washington Post article: "Reports that Gaddafi had fled his country grew to the point that he made a bizarre appearance on state television in the early hours of Tuesday." The point being that there comes a point where staunch neutrality becomes a slanted POV in itself. Careful, lest you become your own critic. We report what the sources state, not our own point of view, which is what "POV" and "NPOV" are actually supposed to be about.
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 05:29, 22 February 2011 (UTC)


hi Lihaas,

Listen, I think that I agree with your politics/ideology/thinking more then may be apparent. I seem to share (many of) your interests, so I don't wish to silence you, or anything like that.

The problem, that I'm personally seeing, is that your thoughts appear to be disjointed and... well, it just seems as though you're in a big hurry. believe me, I understand how you seem to feel. There's all this stuff that's just wrong, correct? I want to help you, and be your friend even. I just need some cooperation from you is all.

I can tell, by "reading between the lines", that you're an intelligent person. All that I ask is that you preview your edits, even (especially) those edits to talk pages, for grammatical errors and typos, before submitting them. I think that you're a good editor; a compatriot, even. The problem that I see is that your explanations, currently, seem to be... wikit:disjointed.

I gather from other posts that you're not a native English language speaker? is this accurate? That could explain quite a bit. I'll readily admit that I can't speak any other languages. I do, however, value the input and knowledge of those who are not English speakers. I have a history of reaching out and attempting to understand those who are not native English speakers (mostly off-sight...), which is something that I admit that I take some pride in. I wish to see you as a consistent, long-term, contributor here, regardless of how many or how few articles which you seek to contribute to. If I can help, please let me know.
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 02:47, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Kosovo presidential Election

The President of Kosovo is just the head of State, different to US, France etc. The Prime Minister is the one with all the power. There wasn't a Presidential Election as such, it was the Kosovo Assembly members voted on whether he should be President or not after a Coalition agreement, which passed in the third round. I suppose we could create an article regarding the Assembly Vote. There already exists the December 2010 election article, "Kosovan parliamentary election, 2010". We could maybe expand this article? Regards IJA (talk) 13:27, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Western Sahara (Revisited) on Talk page of 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests

Hi, can you please take a look at the talk page of the article 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests in the section "Western Sahara (Revisited)" and leave your opinion? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TL565 (talkcontribs) 20:03, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

ITN: Godhra train burning

-- tariqabjotu 22:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Irish Election infobox

What is it with you an putting Irish names and words in inverted commas? That little action of yours messed up the infobox. Exiledone (talk) 01:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

no bother. Exiledone (talk) 02:22, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian protests (spilt)

The article size is 150 K, it takes forever to load (Keep in mind the my internet is pretty fast and my PC can handle a lot); and there is consensus so its not a problem. you wont face the Tunisia problem if you nominate it for GA because its NOT an ongoing event. if you finish cleaning it today, put it for peer view to get some feed back if there are some errors that we have not noticed. I will help you if you want. and Once we get it to GA, FA will be pretty easy. PS: the elections (Presidential and Parliamentary) are in September. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 08:36, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

wikipedia doesnt quopte probability ???

here you deleted some info saying that wikipedia doesnt quopte probability however, It doesn't make sense ,,there are proper and reliable sources

the information has been mentioned again ShenmueIII (talk) 21:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Incorrectly describing other editor's contributions as vandalism

It was not appropriate to describe this edit as vandalism. You need to assume good faith when refering to other's contributions, even when you disagree with them. You might wish to read Wikipedia:Vandalism, in particular the first two paragraphs. --Pontificalibus (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

2010 Copiapó mining accident

I took the plunge and nominated it for GA this evening. We'll see how it goes. --Veriss (talk) 03:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

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haven't seen your response to my question on EL concerns. Your feedback is desired. Veriss (talk) 18:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

MENA Protests

I dont think the GCS or Iran have any rights to get involved in Bahrain. They are trying to turn this into Shia-Sunni fight witch its not. It will kill the revolution if it becomes that. It will turn it into a civil war with no clear outcome. Saudi Arabia and Iran have been fighting a cold war since the 80s in Iraq, Lebanon, Yemen, Bahrain and Palestine. Both of them are fucked in their heads (Sectarianism at its best). They are also using Bahrain as a distraction from what is going on in their countries. BTW, The MB and the rest of the Islamist movement are fucking morons and they will never ever learn from their mistakes. Everyone is Egypt (I am there right now, staying their until the 20th) has pretty much agreed to vote NO on the 19th except those fucking morons. God, they are so fucking dumb. As soon as they think they can take over the country, they show their real faces. Also Salafis, NDP and our State security have been working together since the 24th of Jan. to try 2 under-mind the revolution and now they are trying to raise sectarian problems to show that the country is not stable without Mubarak. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 11:16, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Please read: Lebanese protest against sectarian political system. the second paragraph reads: Emulating protests that have spread across the Arab world in recent weeks.-- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 19:12, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


Done, although judging by its content, I fully agree with the AfD outcome - it seems to be totally non-notable. Number 57 12:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Flattery will get you nowhere! Number 57 14:08, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

2011 Egyptian constitutional referendum

We are having a huge protests 2morrow in Tahrir (MB is NOT joining us of course) against holding the referendum and demanding a new constitution NOW. I going to be in Tahrir for the next 3 days so my laptop might run ouuta of battery and its bitch trying to recharge it so can you do me a favor and expand the article. I am going to try to help as much as I can but I am sure if I can get it in good shape for ITN while in Tahrir. Can you help? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

PS: If Shia in any of MENA countries do anything against the GCC, the Bahraini, Yemeni, Iraqi, Kuwaiti and Lebanese protest are pretty much dead. It becomes a sectarian and the Arabia and aljazeera are going to hammed that point. They are cool is protests as long as it stays out the GCC -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:43, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Shit was/is crazy right now in Egypt. Almost beat up 3 members of the Muslim Botherhood and 2 Salafis on thursday only. They have been harassing the shit outta anyone who dares disagree with me and talk to ppl about voting No. I talking to some friends about why i am going to vote no and they almost jumped me. they attacked ElBaradei (with the help of some NDP thugs) today and he couldnt vote. Hopefully, ppl voted no today. The polls I have visited today and was watching mostly voted no but again, I live in Cairo so I dont know about the rest of the country. My grandfather voted today for the first time since 52 :'( (It was so emotional for him). Overall it was good for ppl to go out and vote (many for the first time in their lives). -- 00:13, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I honestly cant really tell right now. It will be more clear after the result of the referendum comes out. If its No, it will be smooth sealing from that point. If its yes, things go so many different ways. I will able to have a better view after the result comes out. Then I shall give you a better perspective on things like the one I gave you about the army before. I am going to need your help on the article tho if you can. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 08:44, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Again, I honestly cant really tell. ppl voted yes for many reasons. Th next Parliamentary election will tell. We have to wait and see, can you help with the article? I just finished the Results by Governorates and gonna work a bit on the map. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Need your support here -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:24, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The same source used in the article. you can change the name as you see fit. brb. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 13:46, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I was lost there for a minute. OK so I pretty much had to read every news article about the topic, then discuss it with people from both camps (Yes and No) to come up with the graph. I am sure I can find at least one source now to back the process. We call even write about it in the article. Let me find them and I will give them to you and you can start writing the section. cool? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 14:11, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I tried to fix the page outline of the page as much as I can. Y'all have a problem with the "Opposition factions" section tho, some of it should go under "Domestic Responses" while the rest fits more as an "Analysis". People in Yemen dont know many of this parties to its more Aljazeera take on it. BTW, Aljazeera and AlArabiya were unbiased when it was about Egypt, shit have changed since then so tried avoiding them as sources when talking about in country the might effect Saudi or Qatar [Bahrain (Both), Lebanon (Both), Syria (Qatar), Yemen (Both), Iran (Saudi), Iraq (Saudi), Saudi (Both), and the rest of GCC counties (Both)]. Unless you are going to somehow present the other side of the argument. Shit is fucked up as usual in the MENA. I have reading reuters, AP, BBC, AFP, NYT and the washington post. I know you might think that the washington post and NYT are liberal but they honestly stick to the facts (for the most part). -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 05:23, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Well this explains A LOT. Didn't realize you had taken over from Jimmy Wales and are now running Wikipedia as your own private propaganda machine. This is your idea of being 'respectful'? Deciding what news sources are and aren't 'approved'? Flatterworld (talk) 15:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
I think he's saying that in his opinion Aljazeera is not as unbiased when it involves countries that are more closely aligned with the traditional Arab world (Egypt was kind of an outlier amongst the stalwarts, having a secular military dictator rather than Islamic). There's nothing untoward about recommending the Washington Post and NYT. They're as mainstream as it gets, and an insider's opinion that for some things they are more neutral than AJ or AA is not criminal. We should use all of those sources, and describe the differences if they have major disagreements. Any individual issues can be taken to WP:RSN or WP:NPOVN. Flatterworld, please don't think that every discussion like this is a conspiracy. Egyptian Liberal and Lihaas, it would be better to talk shop on the article pages so it doesn't seem suspicious. Private political discussions are cool in userspace, but opinions about sources, etc. should be seen by editors at the topical article. Ocaasi c 22:39, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Walter Cronkite

RE: this edit I made a few mistakes creating the category page "United Press International reporters", and I think I need the category commented out for now on Cronkite's page because having some pages list the category in red somehow prevents creating the actual category page itself. If you know of a better way I can do this, please let me know. Thanks! KeptSouth (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake - I think I need to wear reading glasses. KeptSouth (talk) 17:07, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Happy First Day of Spring!


Please stop adding citations to dates. The lists of people are constantly changing, so each person needs his/her own reference(s). Flatterworld (talk) 18:41, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

The Guardian, Al Jazeera and others aren't reporting the same resignations, which is why it's important to reference each one separately. Some conflicts have been showing up, as well as names being added which weren't referenced at all. As time goes by, the 'live blog' refs can be replaced with articles providing more background information about the people resigning. Flatterworld (talk) 20:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
Forget it. After reading your other discussions with The Egyptian Liberal, you obviously have a different agenda than providing straightforward information as in an encyclopedia. Which is why both of you are being reported. I'm totally shocked and appalled.Flatterworld (talk) 15:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

2011 Omani protests

Hi may I ask why the heck did you restore the article 2011 Omani protests ?? It was fully organized and supported by reliable sources . (talk) 02:00, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Canadian Election

Please see the talk page before moving the article. The election is NOT official until the Governor General issues a writ of election. --Natural RX 18:35, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Criticisms vs. criticism in titles

Editor Marcus has again requested a move at Talk:Criticisms of socialism#Requested move 2, despite the failure of the 10 December 2010 to 21 January 2011 attempted move. I am notifying you as you were a commenter in the original discussion. --Bejnar (talk) 04:00, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

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Better, yes; it's clearer,now than it was. Though I'm still confused; I thought the Iceland Guarantee Fund owed money to the UK and the Netherlands because their Guarantee Funds had had to re-imburse investors at home for losses. I'll keep reading...Moonraker12 (talk) 14:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Or they could try slapping them with a wet fish (comme ca)
Asking the people “Well, do you want to pay the Brits £9 billion, or not bother”; what other answer were they expecting? I’m surprised even 40% said yes!
Anyway, thanks taking the trouble to reply :) Moonraker12 (talk) 12:50, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Currency War

Think we are 99% there now, just maybe a bit more copy editing to do. Some sections could still be massively improved, there is so much to say on the subject, but I think most reasonable GA reviewers would agree its now well above the GA standard. Hope you dont mind me removing one of the maps and adding some different images for a bit of variety. If you want me to pitch in with fielding any questions / requests for improvements the GA reviewer had, it might be best to nominate some time this week, as Im exspecting to have much less Wiki time for the rest of the year after May. But whatever you decide is cool with me. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:36, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I would say it is now ready for nomination! FeydHuxtable (talk) 12:08, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Great shout about the Mantega pic. We should go for GA level before trying FA. You might want to check the article against Wikipedia:Good article criteria , though IMO it already passes. Of course there's no guarantees with GA or FA, some reviewers have very high standards or may not agree our coverage is neutral. But I think we have at least an 80% chance of passing at Good Article level without too much more work. Once youre ready to put it up for nomination, I think you just need to add {{subst:GAN|subtopic=Economics and business}} at the top of the article's talk page. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I reduced the Mantega pic a bit and added a couple of others. I think we're fine on #6 as all the pics are free images ,all are relevant, with the captions briefly presenting key aspects of the topic. No probs if you want to add one of the maps back and / or remove / change any of the images I added. But personally I think one map is sufficient - for those who like to see quantitative geo data the OECD Data visualization presents it far far better than we can. (Its brilliant for understanding all sorts of macro trends, please check it out if you haven't already). I don't know what you mean about #3. I think we're striking the right balance between broad addressing all the key elements while remaining focussed. In what way do you think we're lagging. Granted the article is far from perfect, if we get a hyper critical reviewer they could well fail it or demand an unrealistic amount of improvements. But we'll never be looking at a dead cert with this topic, its too huge and complex. I still think the article's better than most GAs and is ready for nomination, but whatever you decide. FeydHuxtable (talk) 14:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hosni Mubarak and his kids arrested

Check out the ITN section :D -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:45, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey girl, How are you? Hope all is well with you. I was off too for different reasons for few days but I will be back in full force on Sunday I hope. I honestly cant make any sense about the army's roll at the moment. What happened to Michael Nabil was so fucked up and the release of dodgy Islamists reminds me of 1952 revolution when Gamal released some them then they tried to kill him then he declared emergency law. As much I dislike the the army (for many reasons), They are the last standing institution in the country at the moment. If they go (for any reason), its chaos. But like I said before, we need a presidential council to run the country. Back to wikipedia, Yemen article needs updates, Libya article is more confusing than ever and Syria article is fucked (They spilt the timeline with no consensus). Right now I working to the sub article about the Tunisian and Egypt revolutions.
PS: UAE BTW. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:14, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
The news is NOT entirely true. Egypt is trying to start a relationship with Iran and the GCC countries dont like it. They are also worried that we are trying to export the revolution to the GCC. Its the usual non-sense between Saudi and Iran. The UAE (or Oman or Qatar) has no part in it. and honestly, the biggest problem facing the Arab uprising right now is the US support to both Saudi (Its becoming very similar to that of Israel). BTW, I am back completely for few days so let me know if you wonna work on something together. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 20:20, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The poll showed that 51% only support discarding the treaty for many reasons mainly ignorance. Many of them believe that there are secret articles in the treaty. Some also have a sense of shame the we sign the peace treaty before any other Arab country and that we did it with the support of the rest of the arabs but I honestly dont think it will be discarded (Even the most Radical Islamist dont want to go to war with Israel). I think the main reason Israel is pushing the polls is because of the recent Hamas/Fatah deal, the opening of borders back to the pre-2008 chaos, and the fact the we are going to stop seeing gas to Israel. The MB is not going to win a majority in the election (The are running only 35% of the seats in parliament; and they would be lucky if they get 25% of the seats). I think Israel biggest problem is going to be about the the peace process. I dont know how you feel about Obama and democrats :P but I honestly hope they kick ass during this election and add pressure on Israel to sign a peace deal with Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. Me and Ocaasi have been talking about the I-A problem for sometime also :D
Side Note: We need to rename the 2011 Yemeni protests to the 2011 Yemeni uprising and spilt the timeline as well. What do you think? Seeing how its your baby and all -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:04, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I didnt reply to you earlier. I have been busy with life, work and organizing for the Second Revolutionary Wave that's supposed to start this Friday in Egypt against the SCAF. I also had exams so I barely had time to sleep. Will get back to wikipedia once shit slows down a bit. mean while stay safe and keep up the good work :) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 06:02, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry couldnt reply to you sooner. Life is a bit fucked up (Work, Life, elections, and the revolutions). I have been trying to get the Yemeni and Syrian revolutions to ITN as well as Hosni Mubarak but it seems that some ppl had about enough from talking about MENA :) The election is Turkey will be interesting; cant wait for the results. The GCC might have to change their names now to the MCC (The m stands for monarchy) since they wonna add both Jordan and Morocco; main reason of course is they are worried that more monarchies will disappear from the arab world like what happened after the 1952 revolution in Egypt. Bahrain is back tho :D. The political compass is european; we are trying to create one for the middle east and we are asking them for help so let's hope it works.
As for the MB, boy are they loosing ground every time one of them speak. The MB youth are most likely gonna spilt due to the leadership and interaction with the secular youth. one of their leaders cant seem to shut the fuck up and every time he spoke to correct himself, more ppl get pissed off. It start by him saying the male MB should only marry female MB (VERY FASCIST) and that there is no such thing as a liberal or a lefty muslim and he went on and on about the secular egyptian are homosexuals :D. Its very funny to watch them speak freely.
As for Osama, I have deep hatred towards him even more then I have for the zionists and honest to god, Im fucking glad he is dead. Wish I would have killed myself. The man and his group almost killed me twice.
Now back to our military junta in Egypt, Someone have asked to help with this article and I was wondering if you could offer a helping hand as well. Plz let me know and stay safe. Viva La Revolucion -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 06:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
In Egypt, there's a difference between the army and the SCAF. I think the SCAF is using the Islamist (As AbdulNasser, Anwar and Mubarak did) to try to stay in power longer but The Egyptian Left (Which Im part of) are fully aware of it and we got tactics of our own as well. After we write the article, we can delete the user pages, but we need to write the page first :D as for bas it means but :-) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 07:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I would be very helpful if you write the part about "Amr El Beheiry". Here are some sources: [7] [8] and [9] -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Added the arabic name to their articles. Cant wait to see what you are gonna write :D How is you GA Review going? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 12:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

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Pedro Álvares Cabral

Pedro Álvares Cabral is no longer on the Main Page (it changes at Wikipedia's UTC midnight), so there is nowhere to add the wikilink. Therefore I removed your request from Talk:Main Page. Art LaPella (talk) 00:18, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


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Lists of active separatist movements

Hello. I have reverted your addition of maintenance tags to Lists of active separatist movements. The page is a former list that has been split into smaller lists. It does not need references or notability. Thank you. McLerristarr | Mclay1 11:01, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

(Moved from my talk page) Just because a page is split doesnt mean it doesnt need references or notability. Everythign on wikipedia needs to be citwed (if it was split then the references should be in the original), and there is not inherent notability.(Lihaas (talk) 11:33, 24 April 2011 (UTC)).
No, the references need to be on the page the referenced material is on. Each list has its own references. Lists of active separatist movements has nothing to reference. Also, being just a list of lists, there is nothing that needs to be notable – it doesn't have any encyclopaedic content. There are many lists of lists on Wikipedia. McLerristarr | Mclay1 11:38, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Racism article AFD - please rephrase

Please rephrase your AFD [10] to remove comments that may be taken as personal attacks.

The concern that it's synthesis and so forth is entirely fine - but focus on the article, not the editor. Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 02:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


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Thanks for cleaning up my mess at the Saudi protests article. Pass a Method talk 18:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

War in popular culture

I reverted this change to War in popular culture. The links you removed seem relevant. Also, I have not come across the term "American War of Northern Aggression" elsewhere. Perhaps Mexican-American War would be a better title. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

List of Finnish MPs

The MP list is now complete. However, the name of the article should be changed, as this was in fact the 36th election (see the article's talk page). -- (talk) 19:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Yemen Uprising

Hello, please share your thoughts on this rename request: Talk:2011_Yemeni_protests#Uprising.3F --Smart (talk) 08:46, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Official language of the Sahrawi republic

On the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic a recurring issue going back over years is that some editors insist on including Spanish in the info box. This would be fine if Spanish was an official language but it is not: Constitution - Article 4:La langue arabe est la langue nationale officielle.[Trans: The Arab language is the national official language (no Spanish!)]. I am dropping you a note here because you previously edited this article and not many people are bothered with it so perhaps you could participate and help put down these attempts to include inaccurate information...Thanks. (talk) 09:10, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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Finnish Parliamentary election 2011

Sorry, I am too busy to undertake a peer review at the moment. Marshall46 (talk) 09:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


There seems to be some confusion over whether they are State Assemblies or Legislative Assembly. In the case of Bihar, the main article is at Bihar Legislative Assembly, so I have moved the articles to match that. If the phrase "State Assembly" or "Legislative Assembly" is used in the title, it should be capitalised, as it is a proper noun. If only the word "legislative" is used, it should not be capitalised, as it is an adjective. Number 57 22:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Removal of comments you disagree with

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. This edit in which you commented out supports against your position is inexcusable, and you should know better. Don't do it again. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 04:27, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

The next time you do that you will be blocked indefinitely. NW (Talk) 17:57, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Algiers Accords

Hello Lihass,

I am writing here regarding the Algiers Accords article.

I initially noticed the "Originally Research" tag, then the text about the provisions having been violated by the Bush and Obama administrations (this was the text when I read the article). I went through the history trying to find whether the person who added the "OR" tag had in mind the violation claims or the rest of the article as well. I noticed that the initial sentence about the violation of the treaty was adding by you in the same edit as the addition of the "OR" and "Unreferenced" tags.

On two separate points:

  • I believe that the text about the violation of the provisions is of such a nature (politics, diplomacy, matter of opinion) that it should be removed immediately and completely. If references come up, then it can be added again. I intend to remove this myself after a couple of days, unless discussion has concluded that it should not be removed.
  • In case you added the two tags ("OR" and "Unreferenced") having in mind the rest of the article as well (which would be legitimate), I'd like to remark that the rest of the article consists (matter of my own opinion) of three distinct types of text:
  1. Background. This concerns the material of the Iran hostage crisis. I think it's carefully and neutrally worded (no one person wrote the background sections in its entirety). Hence, it relies on the references of the main article.
  2. A summary of the accord text. My understanding of the "OR" policy suggests that the summary is OK, having as a reference the text of the accords. Accordingly this part is considered referenced.
  3. The two chief negotiators/mediators. This is actually not referenced right now. Christopher I wrote myself and I have no recollection what the source was. Abdulkarim Ghuraib was in the "Iran hostage crisis" articles. I will attempt to find references on this.

I intend to add text to the same effect as the above on the article's talk: Talk:Algiers Accords.

Cheers, --Atavi (talk) 19:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi again Lihass,
Thanks for your message at my talk page. I have responded in the article's talk, since we are already under way and I think it's better for the discussion to be there from now on.
Cheers, Atavi (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2011 (UTC)