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Kenyan soldiers wounded

At the time when the 10 soldiers were reported wounded no soldiers were reported killed (read source), so it could be said that the three who died were among the 10 initially reported wounded. Than its 7 wounded, most certainly not 13. It would be 13 if it was first reported three died than later that 10 were still wounded. In any case we simply cann't know and its not up to us to speculate, we edit per what the sources say. EkoGraf (talk) 17:10, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

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Could you revert me and restore your note?

Hey, Linaas. I was wondering if you could undo my actions and restore your original note. This is what I am referring to. I thought they were referring to the CBS Evening News episode for today instead of the morning news. --Sorry for the inconvenience, Super Goku V (talk) 01:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Talk page decorum

I didn't like this. --John (talk) 22:04, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

What don't you like I don't understand? Its not a vote?
Do you want me to restore the stuff? I can to that its fine, but its not a vote. A discussion of the questions need to take palce. If you want meto restore it, then finev. I will(Lihaas (talk) 22:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)).
It isn't normal to remove others' contributions in talk pages. I see what you mean about voting not always being best but actually in a disagreement that is often the best way to decide. I suggest you restore what you removed and start a discussion below it. --John (talk) 05:25, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
SOmeone restored it alreayhd before I could get to it. I've commetns on the discussion./ Lets see what progress is being made. There was some slight agreement so it seem sheaded in a good diection. Accomodation from ALL sides is needed.(Lihaas (talk) 15:14, 25 September 2013 (UTC)).
Heads up: I am specifically trying for discussion. I am asking and answering questions and making progress. meanwhile the other editor has scant regard for discussion (per BRD for his original BOLD edit reverted) and removed the tag and insists on his version. Kindly inform him that he needs to partake in consensus discussion first .
I have also agreed with others to cut down the section size and have done so in "my" version as well. So I am not insisteing on my agenda (and what they deem as "my" version inj teh discussion is not what I wopted before, it was a result of accomodation. Thanks.(Lihaas (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)).
I've noted your comments and I will try to help when and how I can. --John (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Insteaf od partakin gin discussion since I last posted on your waqll (and I havent edited the part in question since then), the user has now insisted on refuting discussion based consensus and goes to ANI. What are we supposed to do if discussion are not followed and this is legitimised/? GHow do I even try to generate a dsicssuion if it is dismissed in favour of such wars without consensus?(Lihaas (talk) 10:51, 26 September 2013 (UTC)).

Without (yet) having looked at this in detail, it seems to me that you may be too invested in this topic. Perhaps walking away from it for a day or so would be advisable? Either to some other part of Wikipedia or even go for a walk or something. It's a lovely day here in Scotland, I don't know what weather you have where you live. It is all too easy to get wrapped up in these issues to the exclusion of everything else. --John (talk) 10:57, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

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WTF? 67th session

Typos aside, kindly explain what you mean by "wrong reflinks, one is thre with more data per consistency". Regards, -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 13:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

See the page. I added the proper reflinks that gives more data. The one you added only had the title with the link in paranthesis. I dint leave it blank after reverting.(Lihaas (talk) 14:17, 28 September 2013 (UTC)).
Oddl, your post came after i had already corrected it. Dint you see that before commenting? TYhis is the consistent and "correct" reflinks(Lihaas (talk) 14:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)).
I did look at the diff, and didn't understand. Less is often more. It must be the conflict on the other page, but I get the feeling now that you're deliberately breathing down my neck and reverting my changes for its own sake. I'm sure that I'm being just a little paranoid, but there have been twenty-odd bare urls for months on a page you frequent, and you only react when I populate them. I also used reflinks, but usually choose the untemplated version because people often object to imposition of non-mandatory citation templates. Also there was no consistency to the refs – one filled in ref was with template and one without. It doesn't contain less data, but often the metadata is corrupt or crap. I removed much of the 'bad' stuff, like the repetition of "Reuters" viz:

<ref>Charbonneau, Louis. (8 June 2012) [http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/06/08/uk-un-serbia-idUKBRE8570V520120608 Bitter fight for U.N. post ends with Serbian victory | Reuters]. Uk.reuters.com.

No offence, but I see absolutely no point in including "The sixty-seventh session of the United Nations General Assembly" written in all or any of the official languages in the UN – just too much clutter. If you can't be bothered to place the translations, using this comment (<!--official langauges needed--> ) isn't likely to get others to do it for you either. ;-) -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 14:41, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Actuallty tahts what I feel you are doing. Purposely taking all issues to all pages just that I edited it. Though you were wathcing my contribs., but realise dyou must have clicked through on the blue link. Anyways, these things exist on a host of pages acrosss WP (as mentioned on that talk page), and a wider consensus is needed. You cant at one sweepign personal view remove it all. I know now (and hope that was true) that I was beign apranoid too. I usually wait to see other links come trhough to use reflinks or wait for another to do it. But in order to avoid a war I just went ahead and did it so as not to give the impression im warring fo rthe sak eof it. When i use this reflinks I do take out the crap data as ive noticed it too. So its easyu to undo that.

    WP uses official languages for such topics, I dont know the official translation so I left th enote for OTEHR editors since WP is colloborative.(Lihaas (talk) 14:55, 28 September 2013 (UTC)).

  • For organisations and works, yes. but I think that would be overdoing it for a meeting. In case you hadn't noticed, when this multi-lingual titling is done, it's limited to one or two languages, or otherwise ejected to an infobox. This concept is never applied to the subsidiary articles, and never in the lead. Just look at European Union, NATO, Interpol, United Nations or United Nations Security Council. Let's not lose sight that at 'English Wikipedia', English is the lingua franca, and to do so would be a thankless task of little or no utility to the general readership, although a very small minority of readers might occasionally find it comforting. Finally, bearing in mind that there are six official languages in the UN (and 24 in the EU) – good luck if you ever want to decline all these languages across all relevant page titles! -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 02:29, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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If I see you change "Results" to "Result" again, I'm afraid it will result in a report for tenditious editing. We've been through this several times before. This is before we get onto the issue of blind reverts. Number 57 21:34, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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Twice today you have used CSD in a blatantly inappropriate matter. Once you have misused the notability tag. Please end you pointy disruption. Ryan Vesey 00:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

  • Lihaas, I don't know what you were thinking nominating Gujba college massacre. It's clearly a notable event in comparison with other massacres (that had fewer casualties!), and it was linked, as Ryan Vesey noted, from the main page, which means that criterion 5 in Wikipedia:Speedy keep applies. I find the nomination disruptive already, and Ryan's "speedy keep" close of the AfD was entirely appropriate--and then you nominate it again! As for this, that's not a valid criterion for speedy deletion, and you should know that after over 50,000 edits. Besides, not notifying the creaters/main editors, that's bad manners and you should know that too. I closed the AfD for the Mumbai building article, since it doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. So I'm a bit concerned, yes. Drmies (talk) 23:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Please stop adding these to election articles. They are completely unnecessary because the article is about the election, and the one you keep adding to the Austrian article is doubly redundant because the information in it is already in the results table (in a more precise format - i.e. the exact number rather than saying "about 6.4 million"). Per BRD, please discuss rather than keep adding it (I think so far you've tried to do it four times). Number 57 20:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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If you add something to an article and another editor removes it, the onus is on you to seek consensus to get it added into the article. I am getting very tired of you trying to force rules like BRD and "seek consensus" on others, but then completely ignoring them when it comes to you doing what you want. If you revert again at the Austrian election article, it will result in a report for tenditious editing. Number 57 16:17, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Do you want to get reported? This edit summary (another of your "seek consensus" comments) is completely incorrect. YOU added the "Vote" section to the article in this edit. YOU are the one who needs to seek consensus for having the section in the article. Did you forget you added it? Do you not understand BRD (despite trying to tell any other editor who disagrees with you to abide by it)? Rather than warn you about specific articles, I will just say now that if you add any material to an article, and then revert its removal with a claim of "seek consensus" or "BRD", you will be reported for disruptive editing. Number 57 19:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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RE: Harbin Smog

Please read the closing rationale. The reasons you cite are covered under NTEMP; regardless of your personal beliefs, this is a matter of policy. Multiple reliable sources have covered the subject extensively, and that is enough to establish notability.

Also, next time, don't revert an AFD closure without talking to the closer first. Best, m.o.p 13:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

You havent answered teh quesiton posted there./ Please do that instead of reverting:

Disagree it was speedy ckeep. In 1 day alone there was 2-5 indicating opposition. That is not speedy keep as it is not unanimous. AFD's stay for a week unless overwhelming. Not to mention the "speedy keep" "vote" came for an admin who is invovled at ITN. And what then was the reason for speedy keep?Lihaas (talk) 13:38, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Closes aren't reverted unless there's significant reason to do so. You disagreeing with my rationale is not significant reason.
Because your nomination stated that this was a case of 'recentism' (an essay) and NOTNEWS. On that page, there's a section:
  • "... routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia. While including information on recent developments is sometimes appropriate, breaking news should not be emphasized or otherwise treated differently from other information."
Note that this is not an announcement or a celebrity event - this is something that is being covered by large media sources and touted as a record event. That alone satisfies GNG. m.o.p 13:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth, I think the close was acceptable considering consensus to post on the main page (although, personally I'd say that Jehochman did not correctly interpret consensus, there was no consensus to do anything. Your (MOP's) close didn't mention that, so I feel it was a bit early for a speedy keep. Ryan Vesey 18:25, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Reply - To be objective, I sort of agree that because the AfD was controversial and Master of Puppets was involved at ITN, that the AfD probably should have remained open for one whole week, perhaps for nothing else except just to avoid doubt. That being said, I encourage Lihaas to visit WP:DRV if he objects to the closure so that an uninvolved administrator can disposition the article. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:42, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Jax: please take a moment to examine ITN/C's history and tell me where you see my name. I haven't been there in (literally) months.
When you're done, I welcome any insight into how I don't meet the 'uninvolved' criteria. m.o.p 16:49, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
Reply - I apologize for the mistake. I got you confused with someone else. I have "modified" my previous comment accordingly. Additionally, the talk page comment needs to be copyedited. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

No apology necessary. I've just seen that referenced twice now, so I was curious as to where the accusation was coming from. m.o.p 17:00, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

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