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DYK for First Motion Picture Unit[edit]

Yngvadottir (talk) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


C'mon FMPU... Baby needs a new pair of shoes!

2,538 measly hits AND I had a video on the homepage--someone call a bureaucrat--I have been robbed!!!

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Great job with First Motion Picture Unit! Daniel Case (talk) 13:50, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Not asuming good faith[edit]

From your past few edits i get the impression you're not assuming good faith. If you see an unsourced edit of mine, the least you could do is ask me to source it instead of plainly reverting me. I think your editing style is hostile and unconstructive. I have come accross this behavior of your at least twice in the past, but decided to ignore it. This is the third time. Your edits beome particularly unhelpful when they make mass reverts often in a short space of time. The fact you can make revert or delete in such a short space of time indicates you have not attempted to do research on an edit yourself and whether a passage is notable/plausible etc. My problems wih your edits can be roughly covered by WP:Etiquette, WP:Assume good faith, and WP:NPOV. Also, some other edits have complained about a such behavior from you fairly recently. I hope you amend these editing habits of yours. I will be watching your contributions. Pass a Method talk 11:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Furthermore, in this edit you indicate you do not value the lives of gay people as much as you value black people. This shows your partiality and probably explains some of the above concerns. Additionally i have noticed some hypocrisy in your editing, for example saying "unsourced" but ignoring unsourced text fits your worldview; Or cherry-picking quotes as at I have a dream, but ignoring other texts with similar content. Another problem with your editing is that you believe others should justify inclusion of text even when the text is sourced without explanation. Pass a Method talk 16:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
What silliness. Stating that what gays are going through now is nothing compared to what blacks went through is not stating that the lives of black people are more valuable than gay people. It's a statement of fact, that even many gay people acknowledge. Gay people actually get to have a life, even if not getting to marry in every part of the world, and are not going through anything close to the horrors that black people had to endure. And marriage isn't even important to all gay people. Freedom, on the other hand, which black people didn't have, is important to everyone. And it's funny that you admit you will be stalking an editors edits, after having warned another editor not to stalk you because it's WP:WIKIHOUNDING. Unbelievable. (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, why dont you reply using your user account, and why do you ignore all the other points? Secondly, in a way, gays are going through worse than blacks, because whereas a black can find condolence in his family, or among peers or among his church/mosque/etc., gays often come from conservative/traditionalist families, or are not acccepted by their religious clergy, and many social groups exclude gays. For example you can probably go to any inner city in most countries and tell youths you are into cannabis and it would be socially accetable. But imagine telling people you're gay instead, it could be social suicide. In fact various polls confirm this such as a recennt gallup poll stating 96% would vote for a black president but only 68% for a gay and only 54% for an atheist. [1] Pass a Method talk 18:16, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Firstly, I never stated that I am Lionelt. There are people who watch others' talk pages, or don't you know that? And whether or not I have an account is none of your business. I'm certainly not obligated to respond to your drivel under an account. And your stating that "in a way, gays are going through worse than blacks" is quite possibly the most absurd thing I have ever read...if you mean "what blacks went through back in the slavery days." If you do mean that, I highly suggest you read up on exactly what slavery was like for black people. And don't tell me that you have, because I won't believe it. Gay people are free, and most of society is not out hanging them, skining them alive, burning them, telling them that they can't sit [here or there], etc. etc, etc... Not being able to find condolence from family, or among peers or among church/mosque/etc. is nothing compared to the horrors that black people went through during the slavery days. If you mean what both groups are going through now in the modern era, then I can understand your point. But otherwise, no. And the cannabis example is a bad one. What, are people suppposed to be condemned for being into cannabis? (talk) 18:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
People are still legally hanged today for being gay. There is no country where you can leglly be hanged for being black today. Im not sure why you're drifting into 19th century history - my discussion is not about history but modern issues. If you stopped daydreaming and used your neurological receptors you would have realized i was speaking in a present tense (are, can etc.). I failt to see how you could translate my present tense sentence into "the slavery days". This says a lot about your grammatical skills. Also, i still think you're Lionelt, since you haven't denied it. Pass a Method talk 18:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
People being legally hanged for being gay in the modern era is still nowhere close to all of what black people endured during the slavery days. It doesn't even happen in as many places as black slavery did. Everyone who knows the history of both plights knows this. It seems that you don't. And let's not forget that, unless a very effeminate gay man who is not thinking about "acting straight" (which many gay men have talked about), people can conceal the fact that they are gay. People cannot conceal the fact that they are black unless they have a good amount of European blood in them and actually look white, which is to their benefit if facing a person who is racist against blacks. And I stated that "If you mean what both groups are going through now in the modern era, then I can understand your point. But otherwise, no." And I stated that because it was not clear that you were talking about the modern era for both groups. Lionelt and others were talking about what blacks went through during slavery compared to what gays are going through now. So it's only natural that a person would assume that you are speaking of the same. It only looks like you're backtracking to me. Not to mention, resorting to insults when you can't hold your own during a debate makes you look... Well, you get the point. But just to touch on one of your insults, you shouldn't be talking about anyone's grammatical skills, given your constant typos. And what you actually meant is "comprehension skills" anyway.
And by the way, I don't care if you think that I'm Lionelt. As if it makes sense that he would respond to you as an IP on his talk page. And now, since you are trying to control my actions -- trying to get me to state that I am or am not Lionelt, despite the fact that anyone could state that I was clear that I am not -- I'm not going to bother explicitly stating that I am not. Whoop. (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
I always edit under Lionelt. (And once in a while my pseudo-bot.) Mainly because I want the credit for my editcount. I'm knocking on the door ofover 20,000, you know. That said, I think makes excellent points. Btw, have you gentlemen/women visited First Motion Picture Unit? I need to get 5000 pageviews and I could use your help. – Lionel (talk) 21:19, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
I have noticed that wikipedians are quite obsessed with edit counts. I fail to see the logic. I know many great editors with low edit counts and many awful editors with high edit counts. Pass a Method talk 23:13, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Obsessed? Just because I have my "Edit count" page on my browser toolbar and check it every other hour, make zillions of tiny minor edits instead of big ones, don't do any offwiki writing and use AWB to add wikiproject banners by the thousand doesn't make me obsessed. [preceding was humor] Regarding your other comment, well now you know a great editor with a high edit count.[preceding was slightly facetious but completely true] (Note to WP server: add 1 to my edit count. Thank you.) – Lionel (talk) 23:29, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Pass a Method: I want to ask you something. I want you to take your time and consider your answer very carefully. I want you to be honest and not shovel BS. How you respond may affect the very foundation of Wikipedia for the foreseeable future: did you visit First Motion Picture Unit? – Lionel (talk) 23:36, 1 July 2012 (UTC) [In case anyone is counting--and I know I am--that was my 20,381st edit]


Hi, just noticed that the DYK icons at the top of your page don't actually point anywhere, and simply say "user got listed on the main page". :-) --Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 16:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


You might want to judge/close the WikiGrail contest since it is over. Toa Nidhiki05 23:50, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

It's going to take a while to determine the winner. Looks close and I don't want to make a mistake. Gimme a day... :-) – Lionel (talk) 23:52, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Actually there are 5 min left according to UTC. And as Viriditas is quick to tell you even if you don't ask, we always do things according to UTC. We don't want anyone accusing me of violating the rules.  ;-) – Lionel (talk) 4:55 pm, Today (UTC−7)
Haha, we don't want that at all. Toa Nidhiki05 00:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Ping.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 18:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


I want to redirect Imam Husayn Shrine to Imam Hussein Shrine, but i can't coz it already has a page. How do you move such a page? Pass a Method talk 07:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Conflict?[edit]

Hello! Your edit here also removed my (now irrelevant) comment. This was almost certainly an accident, but I just wanted to check and see if there was another reason. Thanks! --Tgeairn (talk) 02:49, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Accident. – Lionel (talk) 02:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

First Coloured Senators and Representatives[edit]

I apologise for Raeky's behaviour. I was trying to help out, but he or she seems determined to go off on some sort of odd crusade against... god knows what. I hope you like the restoration I did, anyway. If you missed the download button, here's a link to the full-sized version. - You'll probably need to convert to JPEG to get it to upload; email me through the email service at User:Adam Cuerden if you need any more help - I'm pretty much retired, but will always jump on things related to civil rights movements. =) (talk) 14:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Hilarious: controversy follows me whereever I go!!!!! Hahahahaha!!! No apology necessary, and the restoration looks nice, great job. But to be honest all I want is a bronze star. I've already uploaded a png (which I converted from tiff myself) and the tiff in addition to the original jpg and being honest again I don't care if the image is yellow, white or turquise. Now... what do you think about voting Support??? – Lionel (talk) 21:13, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Courtesy notice[edit]

The Committee is shocked and disappointed that you failed to appear at this year's Chap Olympiad. Neither did you send your butler as your representative (permitted under the rules in extreme circumstances such as terminal gout, moustache mange or gusset-rot). Poor show, old chap. You risk being blackballed by the Committee for your snub, which I'm sure will be of concern to a fellow of your proclaimed testicular dimensions, hence this notification. Writegeist (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Please be a good fellow and forward my sincere regrets to the Committee. You see a gentlemen of my phallic attribution is in great demand to perform one service or the other as the case may be and as need arises. And as chivalry demands, I am always one to oblige, and never one to disappoint. Love the link; my compliments sir, and my felicitations to Mrs. Writegeist, who I am certain appreciated your comforting and "maintenance" during the recent long and cold winter. – Lionel (talk) 23:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Censorship and incorrect usage of BLP policy as an exuse[edit]

Please do not remove information from articles, as you did to Exodus International. Wikipedia is not censored, and content is not removed on the sole grounds of perceived offensiveness. Please discuss this issue on the article's talk page to reach consensus rather than continuing to remove the disputed material. If the content in question involves images, you also have the option to configure Wikipedia to hide the images that you may find offensive. Thank you.

Knights of Columbus GA review[edit]

I am doing the review for the article you nominated. The review page is here--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

There are suggestions at the review page on what should be improved in the article before I believe it can pass.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 21:29, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


Opinions on what I wrote on ItsZippy's page? I believe it is unfair for one user to get blocked for edit warring and not the other, and the mod was in the wrong for choosing sides. Lsufalcon (talk) 20:57, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Take a look-see for me, please?[edit]

You are a much more experienced editor than I, so would you mind having a look at something for me? I think it's possible we are seeing some sockpuppetry. Check out this | user sandbox, and pay particular attention to the "possible signatures". I know you will recognize at least one of the handles. Belchfire (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Nothing afoot here. He just likes Jenova's signature and is testing different versions. What is worrisome however is that noone at WT:LGBT has deleted that inflammatory canvass by Jenova. Jenova is using the wikiproject to further a battleground, and the members are eerily silent. Even approving? A wikiproject will be shutdown if the community views it as a vote-stacking machine. And while many would have no issue in WP:LGBT being shutdown, the repurcussions could affect a great many projects.

Don't think for one second that you or I could post something like that and get away with it. For you or I it would mean a one way trip to WP:ANI and a certain topic ban. Double standard? Naaawwwwww. Getting back to the article, don't be surprised if 635 editors "magically" show up at the article, lol. Don't worry... I have plenty of policy-based arguments up my sleeve, hahahahaha. – Lionel (talk) 03:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I didn't want to pursue that until I'd consulted with somebody more savvy than myself. Belchfire (talk) 16:11, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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Feedback requested for article on Daily Mail: Quotation from Lord Rothermere's "Youth Triumphant"[edit]

Hi LioneIt,

I would like to discuss the reason for excluding the quotation from Lord Rothermere's Youth Triumphant editorial and have outlined my justification here. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the matter.

My discussion is intended to be in good faith and with no malice.


— Posted by Luke Goodsell, 08:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Krista Branch GA review[edit]

  • Started Talk:Krista Branch/GA1 with a few suggestions and a provisional no vote. Hope my suggestions help. If you can, please take a look at Angelus Silesius (an article I've been working on recently) and tell me what you think. I'm planning on putting this up for GA later this week. Thanks. --ColonelHenry (talk) 18:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at ColonelHenry's talk page. --ColonelHenry (talk) 05:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Issues raised[edit]

Hi Lionel. A few weeks ago, issues were raised at my talk page regarding your behaviour. I've spent the past few days looking through your history and I've found a couple of disturbing trends. The biggest problem is with your misrepresentation of sources.

  • Exodus International - You suggested that the company sees homosexual behavior as sinful, whereas the source stated that the company maintained that "sexual activity prior to heterosexual marriage" was sinful. You've attributed more to the comment than was said, and missed off other parts.
  • Straight pride. You suggested that Steve Nelson of Huffington Post categorised Straight Pride as a First Amendment issue. In fact, though he mentioned First Amendment, he did not categorise it such, he was commenting on First Amendment claims of high school students.
  • Confidence Men - Daily Mail reporting on Washington Post excerpt of a book based on interviews. The original subject denies it in the same source. You did the same at Anita Dunn and went on to add it in places such as Presidency of Barack Obama#Criticism and War on Women.
  • Cristiada (film) - You attributed parallels which were not mentioned in source.
  • Donald Harvey - You state he killed his lover, but the just states that he poisoned his lover, specifically suggesting he did not kill him.

When confronted with these issues, you appear to categorically deny that there was a problem, yet you do change the text to find compromise. I'm very much of the opinion that editors shouldn't be expected to apologise for mistakes (grovelling isn't a requirement), and finding a middle ground is an excellent way forward. However, because there are quite so many incidents and all from the past few months, I thought it worth coming here to ask you to please be more careful in future with how you represent sources, as repeating actions like that in the future is likely to lead to removal of your editing priveleges.

I don't want to be wholly negative - I've seen you do some excellent work on the encyclopedia. Not only with respect to your non-political articles, but also your hard work co-ordinating wikiprojects. Whether or not there is a left-wing bias on Wikipedia, it is a legitimate concern, and I thank you for adding some balance to the encyclopedia. WormTT(talk) 13:29, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

I want to thank you, Worm, for bringing these concerns to my attention. The process of improving oneself is a never ending journey, and constructive criticism is crucial in this respect. Digging through contributions is a laborious process, and I assure you that your effort is not in vain, and has drawn my attention. With regard to the specific items enumerated, I assure you that in no instance was there ever intentional misrepresentation of sources. What we have here, in fact, is a misinterpretation of sources. After long consideration, I also speculate that my understanding of some of our policies may be erroneous. Originally I had intended to end my response here. However the recent vexacious behavior of Viriditas with regards to Romney makes it obvious that a detailed justification of every single one of my edits is required: which will be forthcoming. – Lionel (talk) 00:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

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Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

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A cheeseburger for you![edit]

Cheeseburger.png Thank you for the kitten Montalban (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Cheezburger cheezburger!– Lionel (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for your comments re: Boswell Montalban (talk) 09:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


hey, I saw your recent comment with an aggressive stand so I thought of talking about it.

Please disclose whether you are the article's creator, a substantial or minor contributor, or if you otherwise have a vested interest in the article ; WP:AVOIDCOI. — WP:DISCUSSAFD

Now can you please explain what has made you so angry about it ? please tone down your comment on AfD thanks--DBigXray 21:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Being the "article's creator, a substantial or minor contributor" is referred to as "involved." COI is when you are closely affiliated to the topic of the article. In this instance for COI to exist all of the 3 editors in question would have had to have actually originated the term, worked for a government body to promote the term, authored a treatise on the term, etc. "Involved" and COI are completely different. COI is an violation which usually requires voluntary restrictions. If you edit an article that only makes you "involved"--that's not a COI. – Lionel (talk) 21:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I only quoted what was mentioned on WP:DISCUSSAFD and I see no good reason for you getting hyper on this. Thats all I would say. <sigh> --DBigXray 21:38, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
It appears you may have equated "involved" with "conflict of interest" and then linked to WP:COI thinking it is the same. It is not. You have to realize that for all intents and purposes WP:COI editors are prohibited from editing the article at issue. When you accused those 3 of WP:COI an implication was made that they should not be editing P. Z. Just say "involved" and everything will be fine.– Lionel (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
↑What he said. I came here to state that but Lionelt made the comment first. There is a big difference between accusing someone of having a conflict of interest and accusing them of being involved. In any case, I have rarely seen editors declare their interest in an article at an AFD. It just doesn't happen. Ryan Vesey Review me! 22:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


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Romney mistake.[edit]

In, you said (source does not say that his policy is "confusing"). Well, actually, our article quotes the source as saying it's "unclear and confusing", and the source ( says:

"Republican candidate Mitt Romney's policy on the future of U.S.-led war in Afghanistan war is unclear and confusing, complicating attempts to either support or criticize it during the campaign, according to leading senators from both parties."

I think it's very clear that you made an innocent mistake. Please revert it. (talk) 07:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. (talk) 07:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


I've requested that you be immediately blocked for continuing to misrepresent sources on purpose after being repeatedly warned. You may participate in the discussion here. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 07:44, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Stating that I intentionally misrepresent sources is libelous.– Lionel (talk) 00:53, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Christian Action Research and Education[edit]

While you're making changes would you mind rewording it so it sounds less like an advertisement for them? Thanks Jenova20 (email) 09:13, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll make it so you don't even recognize it! – Lionel (talk) 09:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Ok, just tag fairly. I see there's a citation needed tag appeared on their stance on homosexuality. If i see that only things like this are going to be tagged in an article about an organization that is anti-gay then we'll have a problem with bias and censorship again. Thanks and good luck Jenova20 (email) 09:24, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the McMuffin, haven't had one in years. Have a nice day/evening Jenova20 (email) 10:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


I'm happy with your edit Montalban (talk) 10:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. I am glad to see that you are discussing a topic. However, as a general rule, talk pages such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan Zindabad are for discussion related to improving the article, not general discussion about the topic. If you have specific questions about certain topics, consider visiting our reference desk and asking them there instead of on article talk pages. Thank you. Comment like "all I have to say is Pakistan Zindabad!!!" doesn't contribute much to the discussion and just makes it off-topic. Please take care of that next time. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:51, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

And you think using this boilerplate warning did any good at all? Ryan Vesey Review me! 07:53, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
He can remove it once he has noted it. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:58, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
C'mon Vaibhav, wasn't that a great zinger?!? The timing. The delivery. You know, a zinger is also a sweet treat. I'll give you one to show there's no hard feelings about templating an editor with over 20,000 edits. What's your favorite flavor: chocolate, vanilla or strawberry? – Lionel (talk) 08:07, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the offer. :) See, I believe that regulars should be templated if they have done some mistake, although most probably it would had been unintentional. You must have noticed how heated this topic is, and the arbcom is already watching over it. Such comments can make the discussion off-topic. Feel free to remove the warning if you feel like, and sorry if you felt bad with that notice, it wasn't my intention to make you feel so. :) ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 08:14, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Dan Oates[edit]

What? Me miss an opportunity to embed Lila?

I finally got a chance to see Chief Oates on tv. He is a great man. I'm hoping more biographical information will appear online as the stories develop from breaking news to background information. I'd love to get the article to GA status. Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:45, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Too expand on this, if we can get this too 2010 characters within the next 5 days, it will qualify for DYK. I'm going to leave a note to see if it will qualify as a formerly unsourced BLP (since the copyvio was unsourced and the reverted version had two broken external links which wouldn't count as sources. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Count me in. Btw I along the lines of WP:DCM I sent them an "official" media request from an "official" Wikipedia editor--I know they must be inundated, but maybe we'll get lucky. It worked with that cutie Lila Rose.


Thought you were good at noticing this kind of thing Lionelt? Stange that. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 20:50, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Can you two just stop your bickering? Ryan Vesey Review me! 20:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not looking to bicker, i just found it odd he didn't notice it as he's good at noticing these copyright violations from what i've seen and he's gone through this tiny article recently Jenova20 (email) 20:55, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Jenova for the compliment--but I do not consider myself a (c) expert. In fact, I am always asking for help at WP:CQ. I'd like to take this opportunity to clear up a common misunderstanding. While it is a fact that I exhibit excellent grammar, an extensive vocabulary, impressive spelling, and in depth knowledge of classical literature, I am not a trained copy editor, nor is my vocation that of a professional journalist. In the real world I was trained in information technology, and my experience in formal writing for the most part is limited to the occasional research paper I wrote in college. – Lionel (talk) 00:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
The first part of your respons there actually made me laugh as i thought you were going to list a massive amount of incredible traits...Anyway just be a bit more careful with stuff like that. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 08:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Black men and little white girls[edit]

Why wasn't this pic of Black males promoted to FP?

For all the stalkers, this image that I nominated did not get promoted to Featured Picture. As a Black person I wanna know why? Guess what: in case you haven't noticed, everyone in this pic is Black. Yes, as in African American. Previously known as colored. A picture of Black males. Need I say more?

Video with little white girl will soon be the next Featured Pic

On the other hand, this video I nominated, featuring a little white girl, is cruising to being promoted. It got enough votes after 3 days!

Or could the reason be political? The Black guys are Republicans, the video is Democratic.

Well? What's goin'on here? Do I need to call Jesse? – Lionel (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/First Colored Senator and Representatives.jpg there were outstanding issues that were not addressed in time for it to pass or receive additional support votes. I'm not seeing anything racist in the discussion or in the outcome. There may, however, be a bit of "recentism", in that the video of the girl is far more "notable" in terms of popular culture. Viriditas (talk) 03:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
That whole copyright thing was just a canard. There is definitely a cabal right here at Wikipedia of young, white, Democrat women who are actively and deliberately discriminating against older Black males who happen to be Republicans. I will not rest until I have rooted them out and put an end to their nefarious operations. – Lionel (talk) 03:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Give me their names and phone numbers, I'll deal with them. :) Viriditas (talk) 03:37, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
It's a shame that the image wasn't promoted. It's a wonderful image of historical significance. Ryan Vesey Review me! 04:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
First i've heard of being able to promote a video to featured picture status...i learned something today Jenova20 (email) 08:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, if you are disabled as well, then Wikipedia will be 100% against you :(--Mishae (talk) 01:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

2012 Aurora shooting[edit]

What do you think the odds are that a profile of James Eagan Holmes will show him to be a religious conservative? Let's take a look:

  1. Born and raised in San Diego, California. Attended school in an area known for voting Republican (Torrey Highlands, CA)
  2. USA Today (via the Los Angeles Times) reports that the suspect was "deeply involved with his family in their local Presbyterian church".
  3. Coincidentally, the July 20 attack on the movie theater occurred just days after conspiracy theorist Rush Limbaugh, on July 18, attacked the new Batman film for subliminally criticizing Mitt Romney. According to Wikipedia, "Limbaugh claimed that the 'Bane' character was a liberal conspiracy designed to attack candidate Mitt Romney's work with venture capital firm Bain Capital. Limbaugh stated that while 'Bain' and “Bane” are spelled differently it was a liberal media conspiracy to associate candidate Romney and the company he was president of with a fictional movie villain."
  4. Even though there is no relationship between Bain Capital and the villain Bane, it is likely that the subsequent attack by Holmes has scared people away from seeing the film. Most interestingly, people who do attend the film will no longer be thinking about the villain Bane, but the villain Holmes.
  5. The attack occurred around the anniversary of the 2011 Norway attacks committed by right-wing Christian extremist Anders Behring Breivik, with some commentators finding direct parallels (and influences) between the two attacks. Several articles (it is unclear if they are unsubstantiated rumors or not) have said that Holmes followed Breivik's plans for the attack, right down to specific details regarding preparation and armaments.

Any thoughts? Viriditas (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

As a note, point 3 is clearly irrelevant since he appears to have been planning this for a long time. What is the significance of Holmes' status on the political spectrum anyways? Ryan Vesey Review me! 04:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I agree that point 3 is weak, but one could plan something for a very long time and simply wait for a "trigger", i.e. an opportune time to commit the act. Was Limbaugh's rage against liberals and Batman this trigger? How incredibly convenient that Holmes committed this heinous act during the opening of the film. If Limbaugh's conspiracy theory was true (it's not of course), then people will no longer associate the Bane villain with Romney, but with Holmes. The significance of Holmes's politics is that we know nothing about his motives nor any specifics about his background. Lionel and other members of WikiProject Conservatism often argue that liberalism is responsible for the decline of civilization, yet we see that religious conservatives like Breivik pop up all the time with no comment. See User:Viriditas/Right-wing politics and violence for some examples. Viriditas (talk) 04:54, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
In my opinion, the political views of any of these crazies, conservative or liberal, is irrelevant. They aren't accurate representations of their own political or religious ideology. Even extremists like Glenn Beck or one of the news anchors on MSNBC (I turn fox on and then turn it off, I refuse to turn MSNBC on so I can't name an anchor) are poor representations of their respective ideologies because they take it to an extreme. Ryan Vesey Review me! 04:57, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Let's take the examples of Anders Behring Breivik and Ted Kaczynski. Isn't understanding their political views an inseparable part of understanding their motives? In fact, it was Kacynski's political views that got him caught. His brother recognized his distinctive POV and turned him in. In Breivik's case, his right wing extremist politics motivated him to commit terrorism. Understanding political views of the suspects is not just an essential part of capturing them, but also necessary when finding ways to prevent the same crimes from happening over and over again. There are always going to be patterns, and one can recognize those patterns emerge, for example, in the discourse of right-wing populism which has superseded left-wing extremism in the last two decades. However, as a counterargument, based on the sources that are coming out right now, I think we might eventually discover that Holmes's family has a history of mental illness. Interestingly, while genetics can determine mental illness in some cases, it has also been shown to exert influence on political orientation. Viriditas (talk) 05:16, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

If we have reliable sources to confirm that Holmes is a religious conservative, I'd say it belongs in the article because it goes towards his motivations. But let's get the sources first. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 08:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Who cares about civilization? Civilization ended when Pope Paul replaced the Tridentine Mass. The real trajedy is how liberalism is causing the decline of Wikipedia!!!Lionel (talk) 09:10, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
I assume you're joking. That would explain the edits claiming that social conservatism isn't inherently authoritarian. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 03:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
I never joke. Humor is veboten.– Lionel (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Alan Chambers[edit]

I noted that you deleted the LGBT category for Alan Chambers under the reason it fails to meet the WP guidelines, however, I have added some new information and recategorized Alan Chambers as LGBT. The fact that Chambers accepts that he has same sex attraction should be sufficient for him to be identified as gay, because the definition of 'homosexual' provided by Wiki doesn't say persons who explicitly [accept] themselves to be gay. So Alan doesn't have to accept that he is gay for him to be gay - The fact that he admitted to have the basic criterion of homosexuality i.e. to be attracted to someone of the same sex is binding.

I also see where he is categorized as an ex-gay even though the information provided states that he rejects the term 'ex-gay'. I also see where Frank Ocean is categorized as LGBT yet he has not used the terms 'gay' or 'bisexual' to describe his experience nor did he say he is presently active as a gay person - He spoke to his past experience. I consider this to be hypocritical - An encyclopedia is to give facts and so if a man has to say I am gay actively participating in gay sex for him to be classed as LGBT then the definition given by Wiki needs to be changed, and the many notable men and women who are categorized as LGBT but never 'explicitly' used the term, either because the term never yet coined, or for some other reasons, need to be recategorized.

Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bemorej (talkcontribs) 16:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Now you need to talk about it.[edit]

You added an "undue weight" tag to the lead of Social conservativism, but you didn't go on to discuss it in Talk. If you won't explain your reasoning, I will remove your drive-by tag. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 07:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Oates[edit]

I have nominated it, see Template:Did you know nominations/Dan OatesRyan Vesey Review me! 05:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK was accepted, now to make sure it gets posted before the olympics. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Dan OatesRyan Vesey Review me! 15:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Favouring removal of content under "BLP violations"[edit]

Lionelt you could source the stuff you remove as fast as you remove it. Do i have to trawl through every article on the LGBT watchlist you have edited to see what you have removed as a BLP violation or can you just be more careful? This is an encyclopedia after all, not just a war to remove as much as possible. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 08:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Please familiarize yourself with our policies. WP:BLPREMOVE is unambiguous on this issue. It enjoins editors to "Remove immediately" offending material. – Lionel (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
But this isn't infringing material, it was just partly unsourced and could have been corrected with the first 2 google search results as i just did Jenova20 (email) 08:35, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
A wikilink is not a source--partial or otherwise.– Lionel (talk) 08:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
The first line of it references everything said on the statement you deleted. common sense is the issue here, not BLP "violations". Jenova20 (email) 09:11, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

A Guinness for you[edit]


Thank You. Mannanan51 (talk) 17:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)mannanan51

Thank you, Mannanan. I moved it here because I do all my drinking on my talk page. Perhaps you've noticed the kind of stuff people post here. I think you would be driven to drink, too!!! Hahahaah!!!!!


  • Hi, Lionelt Though there are unjust rules or behaviours, but there is justice too.
Team Barnstar Hires.png An appreciation Barnstar
An appreciation barnstar in recognition of your all past and for future work on Wikipedia. Justice007 (talk) 15:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, Justice. – Lionel (talk) 01:35, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


If you read the talk on Sts Sergius and Bacchus you may see that Cuchulan argues multiple argument at once. Montalban (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Cuchulan has just written the following on my page: Your recent editing history at Saints Sergius and Bacchus shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection

Apparently I'm in an editing war, not him! Montalban (talk) 12:51, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

He's now given me an 'editing war' violation on an admin page'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Montalban_reported_by_User:Cuchullain_.28Result:_.29 Montalban (talk) 13:15, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Clare Boothe Luce[edit]

Once I find a 1500 px version of this, FP here I come!

I don't know if you are the go to person on his, but the biography on Clare Boothe Luce is an important one for the conservative and Catholic WikiProjects. Currently, it is missing a great deal of information about her personal relationship with the Catholic church and I'm wondering if you could help do the research and expand it. There's a big story here, but all it says is that she joined when her child died in a car accident. Viriditas (talk) 06:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, because of my position as Grand Poobah of WPConservatism, and member extradinary and plenipotentiary of WPCatholic, I am the preeminent "go to person." What is there not to like about CBL? Beautiful. Intelligent. Artistic. Catholic. Conservative. Republican. A woman of the world, a woman for all seasons. Improving her article, specifically with your suggestions, would be an exciting project. However, I have a few open items I need to take care of first. The KofC Good Article nom is wrapping up, and FMPU is ready for Good Article nom, my speechography will make a fantastic DYK, and my filmograpy Featured List nom is also wrapping up. Oh and a Featured pic. – Lionel (talk) 05:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
I apologize for the delay in replying; I was attempting to get out from under your ego. Viriditas (talk) 00:10, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation[edit]

Josep Vergara, Caïm i Abel.jpg

Thanks for the invitation I really appreciated learning about such a great organization you founded Which I definately will join as soon as I change my username. Feel free not to answer this but my curiosity compels me to ask why are you a registered democrat and how would describe your politics Algonquin7 (talk) 07:45, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

If I tell you I'll have to kill you. – Lionel (talk) 05:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Jolly good show with the Chick-fil-A sandwich your definately the most easy-going and fun-loving editor I've come across on wikipedia. You may be a hard man to figure out but I like that so never change by the way I changed my username to John D. Rockerduck the name I used to join project conservatism since it sounded decidely more conservative to me Algonquin7 (talk) 10:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Daisy[edit]

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Commercial-LBJ1964ElectionAdDaisyGirl.ogv, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Makeemlighter (talk) 19:21, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Toasting Champagne.jpg For my Stalkers
Please join me in celebrating the newest Featured Picture. – Lionel (talk) 02:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Tab question[edit]

So, what a coincidence... I decided to pretty-up my personal space with tabs today, and it turns out that my newest "fan" happens to be a Subject Matter Expert.

I have a question for you, if you don't mind. I'd like to increase the white space between my tabs. Do I need to switch over to the PageTabsTop template in order to do this, or is it doable with the regular "page tabs" implementation? These are separate templates, correct? (I'm still learning this stuff, so please be patient with me if this is a silly question). Can you give me a hint? Here is what I'm working with. Thanks. Belchfire 01:45, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

What about the tabs here: WP:RIGHT. – Lionel (talk) 01:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh. Wow. I love how it looks, but I'm completely befuddled by the mark-up. No worries, I'll do some more digging. (And obviously, there is absolutely nothing urgent about this.) Thanks. Belchfire 01:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
See also {{Start tab}}. – Lionel (talk) 06:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I can make sense out of that one. BTW, I stumbled on to sort of a gimmicky way to customize my tabs... I made them tall by inserting a carriage return after the text content. I haven't decided if I really like it, though. Belchfire 06:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Dan Oates[edit]

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


You're a Democrat? I just read it on your user page. I never would have thought that to be true. It is truly amazing that a liberal editor has done more to reduce Wikipedia's liberal bias than many other editors. Ryan Vesey Review me! 05:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

If you don't mind my comment here from the peanut galleries, I'm not sure you should be equating Democratic with liberal. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 10:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh, don't be so credulous, Ryan. Like so many other conservatives, Lionel's public claim to be a Democrat is just a disingenuous ploy for enhancing the perceived credibility of his conservative agenda. It's his way of asserting, "And I must be the objective one!" (I think that's yet another claim if you read his self-profile far enough). All over the rest of the place Lionel lauds social conservatism & the virtues of being Republican (see CBL comments above, and his equation of smart, beautiful, REPUBLICAN!). If that means he's a Democrat, it begs what "being" Democrat - or Libertarian, or socialist, or X - even MEANS beyond rhetorical flourish to him. He also claims to be "polite" and "civil" in the same breath he trumpets never having been blocked as if it confers summa cum lauds status instead of the barest minimum standard for continuing to edit. I rarely edit Wiki, but as a psychologist interested in ideological & personality trait valence enjoys reading the Talk pages of politically contentious articles. While that sounds like a pretty narrow niche, that Wiki now constitutes a primary info source for tens of millions renders it pretty consequential. Lionel is an...interesting case study within the stable of regular editors here, one whose self-concept - conveniently published for comparison on his home page - is completely inconsistent with my & I suspect many others' impression. I'm not sure I'd believe ANYTHING that Lionel himself claims about his own biography, which is a pretty carefully crafted barrel of self-aggrandizement conceits. Which is what makes him interesting next to editors whose profiles are cross-comparably consistent with their edits, are consistent with their rationale, writing style, etc. Probably the only thing more precious to Lionel than the conservative social agenda is his own public image, into which he has little insight, if his self-penned profile is any indication. (talk) 09:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


You're not going to get cooperation out of Still-24-45-42-125 unless you edit something that he agrees with to his viewpoint which becomes a POV issue. He's constantly made calls on his own whim, throw around accusations such as claiming "edit-wars", made up policies, used inactive ones or even claimed certain guides were policies, he's reverted NPOV changes to POV or even inserted POV changes in NPOV material, and also he's admitted pushing certain agenda such as the Focus on the Family in the talk thread. It's becoming more of a problem and constant headache for genuine editors. ViriiK (talk) 07:19, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, would you consider WP:AGF to be a legitimate policy? In case you're not familiar with it, it comes with this summary:
  • Unless there is clear evidence to the contrary, assume that people who work on the project are trying to help it, not hurt it.
  • If criticism is needed, discuss editors' actions, but avoid accusing others of harmful motives without clear evidence.
I think you can see how it might even apply to your own post. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 10:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Please see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:Focus on the Family#Recreational drugs. Thank you. 72Dino (talk) 15:05, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for commenting on my FLC for MercyMe discography - could you have a look at my FAC for Revelation? I need to get the wheels turning on that nomination, and it has been nearly a week since I nominated it. BTW, good work on that Daisy Girl ad video - it's certainly one of the most shocking and impactful political ads of the 1900s and it is great it is featured now. Toa Nidhiki05 18:40, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

AN3 ANI[edit]

Hi I was about to post this comment on the ANI thread when i was stuck in the series of (edit conflict) and consequent closing of thread. but on second thoughts i decided to post it here. cheers --DBigXray 08:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I had redacted the comment that is the subject On ANI. I also admit, I wasn't aware that Have you stopped beating your wife is a redirect. but even then I think using such a phrase on a WP:AN3 thread where tempers are higher than average, was not a wise thing to do. Accordingly it was redacted and the person notified. I dont think this issue needs a seperate hearing again at ANI, the matter has already received its due/undue coverage. Time to move on now. --DBigXray 08:42, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I know this isn't what you wanted to get out of the AN/I discussion but that's pretty much what it is. While logical fallacies are out of line here and probably not the best way to retort to edit warring concerns, it wasn't a personal attack. Best just let tempers die down. Regards, — Moe ε 08:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
(ec) Thank you DBigXray. You acted on your own volition for an fellow editor you felt disparaged and under no obligation to do so. I appreciate it and I am in your debt. You have been most kind.– Lionel (talk) 08:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Thank you for your recent submission to Articles for Creation. Your article submission has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. You are welcome to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved.

Edit war on "War on Women"[edit]

Please do not edit-war on War on Women. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 06:59, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Some wafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg Nice attempt but did you really think there would be a 2032 Olympics American infidel? Mighty Imperialist China will have long since risen up with sidekick Iran and powerful North Korea to crush the puny capitalist West, while giant Russia invades Europe...Have a nice day Jenova20 (email) 08:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

You crack me up.– Lionel (talk) 09:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

War on Women: "redefining rape"[edit]

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion[edit]

Hello, Lionelt. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

This is a courtesy heads-up for you. I'm adding everybody who worked on the article since I have. Belchfire-TALK 02:29, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Toa Nidhiki05's talk page. Toa Nidhiki05 19:25, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Your answer[edit]

Here[2] is your answer. (talk) 21:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)


The humor is unintention, honest. But I had to chuckle when I realized that my deletion nom puts the pro-gay POV warriors in a difficult spot. They'd love to see the spin-off - it provides much more space for cruft. But the article title is abhorrent, which creates a strong urge to vote 'delete'. Belchfire-TALK 05:06, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I saw that. Belchfire-TALK 05:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Your GA nomination of Becoming Jane[edit]

Hi Lionelt. I don't have a secret recipe to having my articles reviewed more quickly, if that's what you're asking. The reviewer, User:Grapple X, has reviewed some of my articles in the past and is an active member of WP:Film (and thus is committed to helping improve film articles, even ones of films he dislikes)! Also, I have reviewed many of his articles in the past, so we have a good working relationship. I hope this answers your question. Regards, Ruby 2010/2013 15:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

New ANI[edit]

FYI Belchfire-TALK 22:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Shouldn't "nazichristian" be capitalized? The only thing worse than a personal attack is a misspelled personal attack. Ah, indeffed. Good. Poor spelling like that just makes more work for the rest of us.– Lionel (talk) 22:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure it needed a hyphen, too. Criminy, public schools these days... Belchfire-TALK 22:32, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Your comments about an RfA[edit]

I saw your response to my suggestion on Ryan's talk page. I'm not really familiar with you as an editor, so I'm not going to nominate you myself, but if you think you'd be a good admin, why don't you nominate yourself? I'm not saying that I would or would not support you, but be bold and throw your hat in the ring. AutomaticStrikeout 23:38, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Lionel, you've been around for a long time and have a long track record. I'm sure plenty of people would chime in with their opinions were you to self-nominate. In fact, I encourage it. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 00:38, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah, so you (Lionelt) weren't being serious. I didn't realize that. Of course, you could try for an RfA anyway. You never know. AutomaticStrikeout 00:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

There are certain editors who need to be blocked on a regular basis and AN3 and ANI are just too unpredictable.

Dude, that ain't gonna get you the tools. :) Viriditas (talk) 05:08, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
V, you didn't think I was referring to you, did ya? ;-) – Lionel (talk) 06:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
No, actually, I did not. The problem is that your potential RfA supporters aren't likely to recognize your sense of humor and will take you literally when you say you want the tools to block other users. Viriditas (talk) 11:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, and it'll be all their fault for lacking a sense of humor. I bet they'd be equally humorous to find that Lionelt filed two false WP:3RR accusations in a row. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
I think we have to give Lionel credit for having a sense of humor. It is my experience that most of this community does not have one. Viriditas (talk) 05:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
You've said a mouthful. All those false reports against me are the highest form of practical joke. The only thing that's not funny is that the admins didn't realize he was joking when he falsely accused me of 4RR so they blocked me. Somehow, I don't find that funny, either. Guess I need to work on my sense of humor. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 05:42, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
I've been falsely blocked far more than you, Still-24-45-42-125. The key to survival here is to remain flexible, adapt, and overcome. Viriditas (talk) 05:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Point taken. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 05:57, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
This reminds me of the scene in the movie Phantom of the Paradise where the prison warden asks a group of convicts how many of them are innocent and every last one raises his hand. Culture warriors should expect a few battle scars, and be proud of them. --Kenatipo speak! 20:00, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Kenatipo, did you know you were paraphrasing G. Gordon Liddy? Viriditas (talk) 00:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
No, I didn't. Did Liddy help write the screenplay of Phantom, uncredited? Face-smile.svg --Kenatipo speak! 02:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Wikiquette Assistance discussion[edit]

Hello, Lionelt. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 19:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

My latest honour[edit]


I proud to announce that I have been accorded the title of "Evil Genius" and all priviledges and duties that the rank entails. I will say now that I do not deserve such an honour, there are certainly others far more deserving. I give my word that I will be a good, and a fair Evil Genius. Per heraldic protocol, please address me as "Sir Lionel", or just simply "Sir." Per the protocol I am entitled to affix "EG" to my name.

– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 03:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Is it that obvious who it is? Unless someone else used that term? ViriiK (talk) 03:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Ah hem. That should be "Sir Lionel, is it that obvious..." hahahaha!!!! – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 03:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Ooooo, I wanna be Igor! Belchfire-TALK 04:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
That would imply that he's "Master" but afraid not! You can be the jester of the Royal Cabal! ViriiK (talk) 04:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
I think you should go the whole hog and become Sir Lionel, EGG, MD, PhD Jenova20 (email) 08:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Want to hear something funny? I was all prepared to look at the edit histories of everyone involved and to issue polite warnings / notifications as needed, and to escalate the issue to an appropriate noticeboard if needed. If Still-24's claims are true, that would have taken care of the situation. However, when I saw Still-24 claiming that I, another dispute resolution volunteer and four administrators are all puppets mindlessly following the marching orders of Our Lord and Master, AKA He Who Must Be Obeyed Lionelt, I didn't even bother to look. The odds of finding that his accusations are based upon reality are too small for me to waste my time, and I do not wish to reward that sort of behavior. So, by his own behavior he prevented a neutral third-party look at his claims. That and the Lionelt Evil Genius Mind Control Rays....
Of course this will be cut and pasted as "evidence" that I am conspiring against him, but those accusations are going to come no matter what I do. BTW, does anyone know what Machine Elf 1735's deal is? The behavior I am seeing is rather unusual. --Guy Macon (talk) 15:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, so you were prepared to do your job as a DRN volunteer and now you've taken personal insult, so you're here asking them for advice on how to harm me. If you're trying to deny claims of influence, this wouldn't be the way to do it. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 17:09, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
Congratulations on this great honor, Sir Lionel. No evil genius is more deserving of this title as you - your founding of the evil cabal known as WikiProject Conservatism is a model for all evil geniuses to follow. Toa Nidhiki05 18:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Dealing with conflicts involving user behavior[edit]

Gentlemen, if I may be so bold, I am going to do what I am being accused of, and advise you how to deal with ("deal with" is not the same as "harm") a certain class of individuals on Wikipedia.

Your first strategy should be to try to cooperate and settle your differences. Often the conflict is a misunderstanding or someone who was a bit over the line but knows better. The vast majority of Wikipedia editors are reasonable people who want to cooperate.

Eventually it may become clear that this is not just a misunderstanding, but instead that a user is disruptive, shows battleground behavior, edit wars, is uncivil, etc. At this point your strategy should be to calmly but firmly inform the user of Wikipedia's standards of behavior. Here is a great resource for doing that:

Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace

Templates have been carefully designed to be effective, and if you use a template nobody can argue that your wording was incorrect.

You also need to take a close look at your own behavior. It needs to be squeaky clean. If this ends up at a noticeboard later, your behavior will be a factor; see WP:BOOMERANG. Avoid even the slightest hint that your goal is a block. Your goal always needs to be to convince the disruptive editor to behave. You can start being Jimbo's little angels right now, and if anyone tries to blast you -- fairly or unfairly -- for anything in the past, just say "I may have been wrong there, but once Guy gave me his advice I stopped doing that sort of thing." Sort of like a get out of jail free card...

At some point it may become obvious that the user is not going to change his behavior based upon warnings. At this point, go to an all-template, no response strategy. If the other user accuses you of something, don't respond. If they ask leading questions, don't respond. If they are uncivil, put a template on their user page but otherwise don't respond. If they edit war, at 2RR and 3RR, use Template:Uw-3rr. If they hit 4RR, file a report at WP:ANEW. for civility problems, start with WP:WQA. (WQA doesn't actually do anything about bad behavior, but their behavior (and yours!) at WQA can be used as evidence later.) Again, stay calm and cool, and do not respond to any provocation. The goal here is to make a good-faith effort to convince them not to misbehave. Finally, if all else fails, take it to WP:ANI, but do not jump the gun! ANI wants to see a series of warnings (templates are ideal), exemplary behavior on your part, and evidence that every effort has been made to resolve the issue before invoking ANI. Read a bunch of past ANI cases, and notice the ones where the filer gets shot down. Learn from that.

Finally, I am always open to giving anyone advice. Just ask on my talk page.

I am going to send one last message to Still-24-45-42-125, who is monitoring this page, and then I will go into ignore mode regarding that particular user. Everything I wrote above is behavior you can adopt. You can stay calm and cool. You can show exemplary behavior. You can try to cooperate and settle your differences. If both sides do this, problem solved. If you do this and the other fellows don't, then they are the ones who will be facing possible blocks. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for these handy directions on how to harm other users. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 21:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
The "plot" thickens! (pun intended) hahaha!! But seriously, this is merely an exposition of my prediction I shared with Viriik. Thanks Guy for the sage advice. – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 05:43, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Hint: It's not a prediction if you're actively trying to make it come true. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 01:29, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Wide tables[edit]

I don't think the FL criteria specifically address table width, although I'm sure the community knows methods to reduce table width if necessary. To be honest, I'm not much of an expert on the finer points of table formatting; you might want to ask about it at WT:FLC if you think it will be a problem at a potential FLC. I'm sure someone there knows a trick to shrink table size that I'm not aware of. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


Dear Sir Lionel,

Thanks for your message; honestly I'd be happy to help out in my own limited way in any sort of FS, but I think in the first instance a new Featured Sounds section should establish clearly what the criteria for a FS should be - this was one of the problems that the community had in the last few months of operation. There was disagreement about what exactly editors should be looking for with featured content, plus some fairly unpleasant arguing.

Although off-wiki life leaves me far less time that I would like to get involved on WP I would like to help in any way I can.

Ben (Major Bloodnok) (talk) 22:00, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


@Pine: Pine 22:27, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Assist me.[edit]

  • Hi, Lionelt, please assist me in this regard, I have added template IP multiple users, question is that it is enough or somewhere have to report this too?, if yes, then where?.Your barnstar is accepted. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 23:26, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

10 poorest US states are Republican[edit]

Does Wikipedia need an article about Conservatism and poverty? Thoughts? Viriditas (talk) 03:19, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd be interested as to why the impoverished are not voting liberal due to better welfare and the like. It is probably that they aren't voting at all. I'm not 100% sure on a Conservatism and poverty article. What about a Poverty and politics article? A split can come later if it grows. Ryan Vesey 03:39, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Might want to start with a History of Poverty and Politics :) Arkon (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd politely suggest starting with sources that let us avoid synthesis. I suspect we can find some for conservatism and poverty. I'm not sure what poverty and politics would really mean. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 03:43, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
You would need to find sources. There is a direct correlation between wealth and conservatism, lack of education and conservatism, and wealth and education. The relation between poverty and conservatism is indirect. TFD (talk) 03:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, absolutely. This sort of article desperately depends on having good sources. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 04:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
It's a shell game. Conservatism only thrives when poverty is at its highest. Viriditas (talk) 05:18, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
A lot of it is semantic confusion. Roosevelt called his opponents "conservatives", which they vigorously resisted. Then in the 1950s they started calling themselves conservatives, which led to such anomolies as calling the American revolution a right-wing conservative revolt against a left-wing liberal empire. TFD (talk) 05:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's a source. [3] Golly gee, it turns out that 5 of the 10 poorest states have Democrat governors. Whodathunkit? Belchfire-TALK 06:00, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
That's like saying Obama is responsible for the economic recession caused by eight years of the Bush administration. Could you turn Faux News off for just a moment and think about what you are saying? Conservatism is a reactionary movement. Based on the historical record, it appears to produce and generate poverty in order to perpetuate itself. Viriditas (talk) 06:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Standard liberal pablum. Based on the historical record, most of those 10 poorest states got that way during the 150 years they were run by Democrats. Generating poverty? From scratch? You mean like in Detroit? LOL! Please.
And why the ad hominem horseshit? Have you run out of ammo that fast? Belchfire-TALK 07:04, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
150 years of conservative policies. Tell me, how can a reactionary party promote economic reform when the problem was caused by their very policies? Sweeping it under the rug and pretending it isn't there might be your preferred way of doing things, but it makes for poor governance. Conservatism can't offer change of any kind going forward in the 21st century because it is bound by an ideology that denies change. In today's world, you need to change your policies based on the changing data. And that data shows that conservatism has led to more poverty. That's the entire reason they have a platform. If there wasn't economic hardships, there would not be a conservative party. It is in their interest to continue to promote poverty. The world, in fact, is less conservative today than it was a century ago. And that trend is unlikely to turn around. Viriditas (talk) 07:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You know, when you start putting fictional labels on things, there's no end to the mind tricks you can play on yourself. Belchfire-TALK 07:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Accusing anyone who criticizes conservatives as liberals says a lot about you. You do realize, of course, that it is quite possible to criticize conservative ideology and practice without being a liberal? Start with Ayn Rand, who proved that the conservative economic arguments in favor of capitalism were based on fallacies. Viriditas (talk) 08:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I was honestly kidding with my comment above, it's a ridiculous concept to be honest. There are probably enough sources to make an article(s), but it's gonna be a hodgepodge of speculation. This didn't start 5, or even 10 years ago. Arkon (talk) 08:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Wrong. The political science literature covers this in spades. For example, Nathan J. Kelly of the University of Tennessee and Peter K. Enns of Cornell University show how poverty contributes to conservatism, which proves my point that conservatives have an interest in preserving income inequality. According to Kelly & Enns (2010):

in an analysis of public opinion by income group...both the rich and the poor respond to rising inequality by shifting in a conservative direction. Together, these findings offer an important insight into the seemingly conflicting findings of the unequal and dynamic democracy perspectives. Previous research shows that liberal public opinion produces more egalitarian distributional outcomes (through the effects of opinion on election outcomes and public policy), and that the effect of public opinion is larger than other important explanations of income inequality such as deindustrialization, single-female households, and female labor force participation (Kelly 2009). Thus, our finding that public opinion—of all income groups—becomes more conservative in response to an increase in inequality helps to explain how economic inequality can reinforce itself through feedback on the political system (a conclusion of the unequal democracy perspective) at the same time that government responds to the reported preferences of citizens (a finding of the dynamic democracy literature).[4]

Kelly & Enns show that increases in inequality result in conservative public opinion responses while decreases in income inequality results in more liberal responses. "When inequality in America rises, the public responds with increased conservative sentiment. Rather than generating opinion shifts that would make redistributive policies more likely, increased economic inequality produces a conservative response in public sentiment." In other words, conservatism depends on increasing poverty: "increases in economic inequality are self-reinforcing in a way that is perfectly consistent with the dynamic democracy perspective. Economic inequality can beget yet more economic inequality as the unequal democracy proponents argue." Viriditas (talk) 10:02, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Wait, wut? Ayn Rand was an economist? OK, I'm outtie. This is getting a little too redunkulous even for me. Belchfire-TALK 08:27, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

A more interesting comparison is per capita income per state normalized for cost of living in that state. In which case, perceived standard of living (average income/average cost of living) becomes quite interesting, and a great deal flatter. A person earning $40K in New York City has a far worse standard of living than a person earning $30K in Georgia. Poverty is still a major problem in some areas (particularly non-casino Indian reservations, Inuit communities in Alaska etc.) but the list of "10 poorest states" is a teensy bit fatuous. Cheers. Collect (talk) 12:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mississippi (poorest state) income 34.3K, CPI 203 [5] ratio= .153
Arkansas 36.2 / 206 = .176
New York 60.3 / 258 = .234
North Carolina (10th poorest) 41.1 / 209 = .197
Showing that the "poorness" is substantially affected by cost of living issues. Collect (talk) 12:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd argue that the conservative-liberal split isn't poor-rich, it is more or less rural areas voting conservative and urban areas voting Democrat. This is really evident in southern states such as Texas or North Carolina, where the major cities are usually Democratic but the rural areas are usually Republican. Toa Nidhiki05 14:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I could argue some stuff, too, but this isn't a forum. My recommendation -- and it's just a recommendation -- would be for Viriditas to put together a stub version of the article in his private workspace. Then we can get feedback, adjust it and make sure it won't be a war zone, all before it goes live. Still-24-45-42-125 (talk) 16:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The unemployment rate is 8.3% – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 06:36, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Speeches and debates of Ronald Reagan[edit]

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Bob Corker new paragraphs[edit]

Hello Lionel, last weekend you looked at the new paragraphs I'd written for Bob Corker's article about his tenure as Mayor of Chattanooga and I wanted to check that you had seen my response to your question. I have provided the quotes from the Nexis articles and think this now gives you the information you need to verify what I wrote. Can you take another look now? Thanks again for your help. Mark from tn (talk) 17:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

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Hello again, I have provided a link and quote from a report as additional verification linking the Senator to the Benwood Initiative below your last reply here. If you would be able to look again, I would be most grateful. Thanks again. Mark from tn (talk) 14:58, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/Ronald Reagan filmography[edit]

Toasting Champagne.jpg Wikipedia's newest Featured List
I would like to thank everyone who helped improve and voted for The Gipper's filmography. And a special thanks to Happyme22 for creating it. Please join me in a glass of bubbly as I raise another bronze star on top of my userpages.
– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 06:19, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Congrats on the Featured List, what do you think of the articles I've collected so far at User:Ryan Vesey/sandbox? Does that seem to include all of the Ronald Reagan articles that are FA or GA? Ryan Vesey 13:09, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Ryan. Woa, you were really serious about FTopic! You know, I hadn't realized there were to many quality Reagan articles. What topic were you thinking of? The ones that jump out at me:
"The Great Communicator" -- a Good Topic
  1. Ronald Reagan
  2. Reagan filmography
  3. FMPU
  4. Speeches and debates (need to nom for GA)
  5. Tear down this wall!
"First and second couples of the Reagan Presidency" -- a Featured Topic
  1. Ronald Reagan
  2. Nancy Reagan
  3. George H. W. Bush
  4. Barbara Bush (need to nom for GA)
"Mortaility of Ronald Reagan" -- Good Topic
  1. Ronald Reagan
  2. Assassination
  3. Death and state funeral
– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 03:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
I hadn't initially realized that we couldn't pick every good Reagan article and create a Reagan good topic; however, why not do the first and third? I don't feel that the second would qualify because it would require virtually every president/first lady to be considered complete. Ryan Vesey 03:58, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Looking at the criteria WP:FT? and the full list WP:FT, it appears that the entries have to share similarity. I asked User talk:Grapple X about using all of the articles in a FT. I renamed the 2nd one to reduce the scope. – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 08:37, 17 August 2012 (UTC)


Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

He seems to be prone to "3RR accidents." Based on his behavior, I have to wonder how committed he is to 2RR.
Heh. Viriditas (talk) 13:28, 15 August 2012 (UTC)


Hello Lionel, thank you for taking another look at the new paragraphs. While I am grateful for you saying that I can add them into the article, I am very wary about doing so. I've previously said on the article's discussion page that I don't intend to edit the article myself and I would prefer to stick to that and avoid any perception of meddling with its content. Would you mind adding the paragraphs for me? Thanks again. Mark from tn (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Requesting bot delivery of the Christianity newsletter[edit]

I noticed that you were one of the editors who has been given access to the newsletter delivery bot, and I'm hoping you've figured out how it works. If you have, I was wondering if you would be willing to deliver the Wikipedia:WikiProject Christianity/Outreach/August 2012 newsletter. John Carter (talk) 18:30, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Olive Branch[edit]


Know anything about Metapedia? Is it common for them to allow biographies with links to users here, eg me, so that Metapedia users can harass others? Dougweller (talk) 16:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I bestow this barnstar to you since no editor, in my expierence, has done more team building, or teamwork than you Grand Poobah John D. Rockerduck (talk) 06:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thank you, John D. Teamwork is the glue that holds this project together. I'm moved by your gesture.– Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 07:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Ronald Reagan and extraterrestrials[edit]

Ronald Reagan and extraterrestrials. This would make a great DYK, don't you think? Viriditas (talk) 06:08, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Sources: Ronald Reagan and the Day the Earth Stood Still; Rewriting the script; George Bush, Reagan and life in outer space; The Cold War Sci-Fi Parable That Fell to Earth; President Reagan: The Role Of A Lifetime


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MfD nomination of User:Lionelt/Countering liberal bias[edit]

User:Lionelt/Countering liberal bias, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Lionelt/Countering liberal bias and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Lionelt/Countering liberal bias during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 20:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Odd removal[edit]

You removed a portion of an article claiming a copyright violation. The article content at In God we trust pre-dates the article you claim the content originated from. Wikipedia can not be infringing copyright on a website if the content is newer than the content on wikipedia. IRWolfie- (talk) 22:49, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Lionelt, that's called "backwards copyright". You'll run into it every now and then. It's basically a false positive. The blogger copied Wikipedia. When you identify this problem, use the {{Backwardscopy}} template on the talk page, but only if it is a mainstream source. This isn't, so only a message on the talk page is needed. Viriditas (talk) 23:01, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Ouch - so many places using identical language - impossible to find out who first used it for sure. Usually unless you can find a strong date for the first usage, or a book usage, a lot of "plagiarism" gets by on Wikipedia. But I would bet that there is one source outside Wikipedia which is first - I can not believe so many independent users borrowed the same wording - many likely took it from WP. Alas. Collect (talk) 23:21, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
Even so, circular referencing (citing something as a source that is copied from Wikipedia) is a problem that should be avoided. ~Adjwilley (talk) 19:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
There is no circular reference. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:31, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion[edit]

Could you go and give your opinion on this request, since you commented on the prior request? SilverserenC 00:39, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

From the Grapevine[edit]

Hate to bother you Grand Poobah but recent actions from an editor Still-24(who insists your out to get him) seems to talking about attempting an RfC of wikiproject conservatism with the criticisms mostly pointed towards you such as

"I'll note that many of my edits are within the scope of that project, yet Lionelt has never invited me to join. However, I've seen him invite many of the people who keep reverting my changes. Selective membership seems to be the root cause of all evil."

I suppose he never realized that he could just go to wikiproject conservatism and join up, but I thought you might enjoy knowing that since your the root of all evil, your bestowed title of Evil Genius is well earned indeed and might actually be lacking.

See: John D. Rockerduck (talk) 01:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, John, but I figure Lionel's already seen it. The issue isn't whether I could join, but whether Lionel exclusively invites other conservatives to join. Perhaps he'll change his tune now that the issue has been give more publicity, but that's certainly been his pattern so far. StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Hardly Still-24, he invites editors who he thinks might actually consider joining, also you do hold him in pretty low regards calling him an evil genius or his well-written essay a "Radical Manifesto" or saying he has bore false witness against you, I might be able to see why he was not jumping up and down to give you an invitation Still-24. Also you have been pretty hard on Lionelt since he filed the report that got you blocked for 24 hrs you then changed your name to Still-Standing presumably to put on war paint and to show him up(Let it go man you better than that). I might be painting a false picture here but it is not a completey unreasonable one to make, another adminstrator said the same thing about your name change, so here's my constructive criticism have someone else file the RfC since editors could make the fair case that your bias against Lionelt personally John D. Rockerduck (talk) 20:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

John, I'm pretty sure I never described him as either evil or a genius. That's something he named himself. I do think his "how to make Wikipedia more conservative" essay goes against the fundamental purpose of Wikipedia.
I changed my name because it contained my IP and that led to an unpleasant incident that I really can't talk about. It's unfortunate that some people read more into things than is there, but that's not under my control.
Also, it's not personal. I'd feel exactly the same about anyone else doing what he's done. StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 02:33, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure but my point you probably should have someone that Lionelt never blocked file the RfC is still valid also I checked into it and the way you say I edit-war after doing like two edits and the one Lionelt blocked you for is perfectly fair according to your own standards you use with me SEE WP:POINT using my standards of giving the benefit of the doubt and never saying 2RR is edit-warring I would say it was unfair for Lionelt to do that but for you to say it is hypocritical John D. Rockerduck (talk) 07:21, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for the award and With all very best wishes, --Kirananils (talk) 10:45, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

If I might piggyback on here, please accept as well my thanks for the barnstar. I often wonder whether the time spent editing might not be put to better use, so that very kind expression of encouragement is much appreciated! Dezastru (talk) 17:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd also like to add my thanks for the award you gave me. I appreciate it too. Giants2008 (Talk) 01:44, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion Review of Sandra Fluke[edit]

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Talk page violation[edit]

Your edit is a violation of WP:TPG. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 09:17, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't unilaterally close discussions you are involved in. Particularly when there is no consensus. IRWolfie- (talk) 12:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Paul Ryan[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Paul Ryan you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 10 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. I will begin later this evening. The collaboration could use the time to begin running through criteria and begin collaboration with things that are obvious like expanding the lead to summarize the body of the article accurately. Run through references and take out non-reliable sources. Check the claims being made to the source. Format all references as inline citation and not bare urls. Other common things overlooked, copyright concerns for text. Besure there isn't anything that paraphrases too closely to the source and check the license, author and source of all images. Happy editing! Amadscientist (talk) 13:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Akin's material[edit]

Did you mean to re-insert the Akin's material? Just wondering. ViriiK (talk) 04:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

One on one[edit]

I want you to understand that I explicitly reject the notion that you violated any policies by reporting that 4RR. In other words, I am not accusing you of WP:MEAT (which doesn't even seem to apply, regardless) or any other policy violation with regard to this matter. If you believe there was a personal attack based on a false claim of policy violation, this is incompatible with the fact that I freely admit that there was no violation.

Now, I can see that you seem distressed, but I assure you that, not only is there no personal insult, none was intended. I most certainly did not intend to cause you distress, only to answer your question about person/people while putting it in context. I know that pretty much the worst thing you can tell someone who's not calm is to calm down, so I won't say it, but I'm sure you can guess what I'll be thinking.

Have a good night. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 07:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

A favor to ask of you[edit]

Could you please stop using the word "outraged"? Do you own a thesaurus? Viriditas (talk) 13:12, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Paul Ryan GA nomination[edit]

Hey, opened a review of your nomination with some initial concerns that can be addressed.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:12, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Updates on the review page regarding the Paul Ryan. I have compiled all the noteworthy issues I found during the review so that should make it easier to resolve things.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 04:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Regrettably I have decided to withdraw from the Ryan GAN due to irreconcilable differences with a certain editor. – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 05:00, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Meh, you can probably do some of the more simple tasks without much chance of heartache. I understand, of course, if you don't but it is just my small bit of hope that you can still contribute to this in some way.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 05:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


Thank you very much for the barnstar regarding the Chick-fil-A article. It is very much appreciated. 72Dino (talk) 14:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Violation of WP:CIVIL[edit]

This is a violation of WP:CIVIL, particularly in its use of coded language to avoid openly speaking against me. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 05:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Give it a rest. Arkon (talk) 05:53, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
<redacted> nonsense. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Arthur, I wouldn't call Arkon's comment nonsense, much less <redacted> nonsense, but it's definitely wrong. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 06:32, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Don't you think you're clutching at straws a bit there? I've only been watching but the last example you pointed out is nothing, it reeks of desperation. Please just stop this or at the least sideline your investigation(?) until you have something that will stand up to scrutiny. You could be looking at accusations of WP:Hounding yourself the way this is going and this isn't productive when we should all be on the same side. Thanks and have a nice day/evening Jenova20 (email) 08:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
You should take a look at the history on my talk page. He knows to stay the hell off but refuses to do so so he makes nonsense crap that I don't care to read about and are reverted instantly the second he posts them. ViriiK (talk) 15:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Well i see he's had a warning now and not messaged since so it appears to have ended. That's good news at least and we can all move on (hopefully) Jenova20 (email) 15:52, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

This, the diff above, is highly inappropriate and incompatible with a collegial and open editing environment on Wikipedia. There are many users trying to work with StillStanding to improve his editing, and you're not exactly helping. Please consider this a friendly administrator warning prior to a block. Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Ed, now that you've demonstrated your bias so clearly for all to see, I respectfully suggest that you stop running interference for Still-24 and recuse yourself from defending him any further. It's quite evident that you're pursuing an agenda here, and this business of preemptively clearing the path in front of him is a rather unseemly way for an admin to behave. This is intended to be constructive, so I hope it's received in the spirit that it is offered. Belchfire-TALK 06:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, but I have only taken administrative actions in this area, including the facilitation of an interaction ban between StillStanding and Guy Macon. I have no agenda (that I know of!), nor any special like for StillStanding, who I'm just as close to blocking for incivil commenting. If you believe otherwise, you are welcome to start a discussion at WP:AN, where I am confident you will hear the same thing. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Barnstars of that nature are inappropriate. Unsubstantiated attacks on uninvolved admins are also unwelcome. I suggest you redact your statement. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

A Defective Bumper Sticker![edit]

Hi Sir Lionel, you Evil Bastion! I'll keep this short since my multiple paragraph introduction cannot be entered and I've typed it so many times only to lose it because I didn't copy before Preview. I think your Talk Page might be full or my comments were too big and I've been trying to express my thanks since Monday evening. So finally here goes: Well thanks for nothing! I protected Republicans everywhere from Akin Plank and all I got was a lousy sticker! And it was defective since I could not get it on my car to boot! You do amazing work and I applaud your several very successful attempts for near perfection (DYK, FA, FL, The Atomic Girl Video, etc.). It is people like you who help retain editors because your shadow would scare me away with his, IMO, hammer everything to fit his POV. Now either I'm a very strange stalker or I am complementing myself from my sock drawer (I also note that your comments carry a rare kind of humor). Kudos and you don't need me to tell you to keep up the good fight. You might want to check the FRC:Talk because I discredit the apparent consensus that SPLC contributes to FBI on Hate Groups, or anything after 1967. Yendor (talk) 10:19, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Progress on SPLC[edit]

Hi Lionelt, I read Wikipedia history quite a bit. I ran into the SPLC entry because of the shooting at the FRC. When I read the SPLC entry, I could not believe how bias and one-sided the entire article was written. I rated the page and then an automated reply asked if I would like to edit the page. So, I did, only to discover I could not edit the page. I was virulently attacked. I then tried to explain my edits, only to be attacked again. So, I just gave up.

Today, I am pleasantly surprised to have received your kind notification about my post. I hope that in a small way I have contributed to the resolution of this dispute. The SPLC article needs to be rewritten and valid criticisms entered. You have simply made my day with your kind message. Philipegalite (talk) 17:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

You wrote on my talk page: "Thanks for your efforts to finally bring balance to the article. We're close to finally achieving consensus on the nature of the criticism to be added. I hope I can count on your continued participation. – Sir Lionel, EG(talk) 10:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)"

Sir Lionelt, you do great work around here. I tip my hat to you! And now as you are one of the editors familiar with this concocted "case," can you please opine on it. It seems I am having a similar problem as the guy below (RightCowLeftCoast), so after one post that was deleted on SPLC, I quit editing. And I will not edit or contribute until this is clear and I'm completely exonerated from this Kafkaesque drama. Thanks Philipegalite (talk) 14:41, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I need someone to talk to[edit]

This is why I often, in the past didn't edit political articles, liberals end up targetting me. I feel Wikihounded and feel like quitting Wikipedia right now. If attempts to bring neutrality to articles only end up getting reverted by tag teaming individuals attempting to preserve a NPOV in an article, what is the point?--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 05:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Fake image of T-shirt[edit]

Do not create, add, or restore hoaxes to Wikipedia. Hoaxes are caught and marked for deletion shortly after they are created. If you are interested in how accurate Wikipedia is, a more constructive test method would be to try to find inaccurate statements that are already in Wikipedia – and then to correct them if possible. Please do not disrupt Wikipedia. Feel free to take a look at the five pillars of Wikipedia to learn more about this project and how you can contribute constructively. Thank you.

About this image that you uploaded and linked to: File:You didnt build that shirt.jpg You describe it as "You didnt build that printed on a T-shirt", implying that it is an actual T-shirt with those words printed on. However, it is obviously a photo of a white T-shirt with the words in a sans-serif font pasted on top in an image editing program. Please do not upload hoax images to commons and then link to them in Wikipedia. FurrySings (talk) 06:23, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Chiming in. So it's a hoax how? The "You didn't build that" is extremely prominent and notable so it seems to me that you are the one claiming it's a hoax when it is not. Even the latest one today was in Sioux City. [6] However if you're refering to the t-shirt, there are many examples all over the internet so I think Lionelt was aiming to avoid any copyright issues. ViriiK (talk) 02:53, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Lionel, did you really use image-editing software to superimpose the slogan "you didn't build that" on a picture of a white T-shirt here? MastCell Talk 03:15, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
From his response on my talkpage, it's clear that's what he did. FurrySings (talk) 16:17, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
The image is a copyright violation so that reason doesn't make much sense. IRWolfie- (talk) 15:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)[edit]

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

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Bob Corker - Sale of Protected Wetlands[edit]

Hi Lionel, a short while ago, you helped me with some new paragraphs on Bob Corker's mayoral tenure. I've recently prepared another revision for Senator Corker's article, this time for the "Sale of protected of Wetlands" section. If you are able to help with this, please see the request that I placed here, on the article's talk page. Thanks. Mark from tn (talk) 21:41, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Pass a Method again[edit]

Lionelt, you may be interested in knowing that the evidence is still steadily piling up against Pass a Method.[7] (talk) 07:53, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Again thanks. Your friendship is appreciated and your sound advice will be followed! Philipegalite (talk) 23:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Adoption request[edit]

Hi Lionelt. Currently indef-blocked user Raquel Baranow has reached an agreement with TParis under which an unblock will be considered if they can find a suitable mentor. They have mentioned you as someone they would like as an adopter; please could you visit User talk:Raquel Baranow and offer/decline the request there? Cheers, Yunshui  09:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

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Request edits[edit]

Hi Lionelt. I noticed you contributed to the request edit requests by Heritage Foundation. I came across the Heritage Foundation in my research on astroturfing and I've seen a couple of their request edits around.

I just thought I would let you know I've spent a substantial bit of work trying to improve our request edit templates and process. My efforts are partially selfish here, because I use the request edit system myself and I want it to be a better process, more comparable to AfC.

I've talked to a few editors about it, but I'd be interested in your thoughts or feedback on the templates, process, instructions and overall system outlined on the page. Corporate Minion 23:54, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion[edit]

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Advil with Codeine[edit]

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Instead of Advil I think you need some Advil with Codeine which is legal over the counter in Canada. So I offer as such to you unless that is considered uncivil. Yendor (talk) 06:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Sir Lionel, who is Lila? I don't think I have ever seen her before? Yendor (talk) 08:57, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Number of Edits[edit]

Hello again Sir Lionel, without casting aspersions or accusations, how could any editor make in excess of 20,000 to 40,000 edits over a period of a few years? I am a small time editor whose enthusiasm comes and goes and who thinks that my latest edit removing the FBI from the lead is a major accomplishment. Making 5,000 or 10,000 edits in a year would seem like a full time job to me and I know Wikipedia or Wiki Media only has a select few employees. Even then I doubt I could make 356 substantial edits over one year while being paid. So generically speaking, how does one, and I have seen a lot of editors/near Admins with Wiki reported 5 digit edits, make that many edits? My only guess is that it involved a bot? Hopefully this is an easy answer type of question. Thank you for your time, Yendor (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I manage 650+ a month on my hobbies and interests and i don't use bots or work or Wikipedia/media. It depends on the size of the edits. You can write an article offline and create it in 1 edit or you can do it in stages of small edits. Thanks Jenova20 (email) 15:20, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


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Hi Lionelt. I'm leaving you this message because you have previously been involved as an adopter with Wikipedia's Adopt-a-user program. A clean-up of this program is currently underway, and as part of the process I am trying to find out who is and isn't still interested in remaining an adopter.

If you would prefer not to be part of the adoption program anymore, you need do nothing; when the overhaul of the project is completed your name will be removed from the list of active adopters. However, if you have current adoptees, an active adoption school or an interest in adopting in the near future, then please let us know by signing here.

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Conservatism[edit]

Your participation is needed on the talk page here, as there is a community concern regarding the project. Dennis Brown - © Join WER 12:41, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty of sending him a brief email asking him to check his talk page. I'm StillStanding (24/7) (talk) 04:25, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
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Lionelt, you seem like a fair-minded editor. There's a dispute at Conversion therapy I'd be grateful if you could take a look at. Hebradaeum (talk) 22:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm fair minded too, maybe I should have a look. IRWolfie- (talk) 09:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Assistance in Creating New Page[edit]

Hi Lionelt,

I am currently working on creating a new page for the 2004 State of the Union Address. I was wondering if you could give me any advice on material to include, as well as what not to include when I create the page. I currently do not have anything on my sandbox yet for this, but am hoping to get some of my information up soon. I would really appreciate the help. Thanks! Btdavila (talk) 19:12, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Conservatism Portal - Why no Sarah Palin Talk Page?[edit]

Lionelt, While looking at the "Sarah Palin's Vice Presidential Candidacy" Wikipedia page, I noticed that the talk section had been removed and replaced with a link to the Conservatism Portal, which you seem to manage. Why is this? What is the main purpose of the Conservatism Portal and why has it been used to replaced the talk section on this page?

Thanks, Kazele (talk) 15:45, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The talk page hasn't been removed, it's just blank at the moment because no one has written anything. The wikiproject conservatism template is just to tell you that the article is under the scope of that wikiproject. IRWolfie- (talk) 15:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Conservatism audio files[edit]

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I usually sent John Carter a list of the previous month's DYK entries for the newsletter but he seems to be on a wikibreak so as a listed editor I thought you might want them:

--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 23:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)


Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User North8000 disruptive talk page editing at talk:Homophobia. Thank you. - MrX 20:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for 2016: Obama's America[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Belgian people convicted of child sexual abuse[edit]

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Just to let you know[edit]

You have been mentioned at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians Ottawahitech (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

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File:Andy Griffith Show Opening.ogg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Andy Griffith Show Opening.ogg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Odie5533 (talk) 17:01, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

POTD notification[edit]

Hi Lionelt,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:First Colored Senator and Representatives.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on February 28, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-02-28. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:10, 12 February 2013 (UTC)


Can I give you a barnstar? (talk) 00:34, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Go! (band)[edit]

Hi. Back in 2011 you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter April 2013[edit]

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April 2013

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 357 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Thomas Cranmer, Mr.Oglesby, and Sneha Priscilla. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. We would be able to achieve nothing here without the input of all of you. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

From the Editor

We apologise for the hiatus in the publication of this newsletter due to unforseen circumstances leading to the wikibreak of John Carter, and so I have taken over as acting editor, and have taken this opportunity to move the publication date to the start of each month as planned, to better reflect on the previous month and look ahead to the next. This issue covers the period of time from mid-January to the end of March.

Since the last issue we have seen the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI and the election of Pope Francis. This has received much coverage both in the world media and on Wikipedia. While there is still much work to do, several quality articles have been written and the editors involved are thanked for their efforts.

This month we look ahead to Easter and the celebration of God's love for mankind through the crucifixion and resurrection of his Son Jesus Christ. With that, I wish you all happy reading!

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By Gilderien

Church of the month

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This image of the Church of Saint Ildefonso, Portugal by Poco a poco was recently promoted to Featured Image. Thank you and congratulations for the great image!

Contest of the month
No particular contest this month. I am however getting rather close to getting together a more or less complete set of articles relating to different areas of Christianity which can be found in recent reference sources on the broad topic of Christianity, and about various subtopics, which I hope to have finished in the next few weeks. I wonder what the rest of you might think of, maybe, making the contests of future months be basically directed at filling in the gaps of our existing coverage of topics, like those topics given significant coverage in specialized reference works which we don't yet have content on, and giving the thanks, and rewards, whatever they might be, to those who create and develop such content. I am starting a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Christianity noticeboard#Future contests, and would very much welcome any input from interested parties in how to set it up, determine winners including how many winners, etc.

By John Carter

Featured content and GA report
Since the last report;

Grade I listed churches in Cumbria was promoted to Featured List status, thanks to Peter I. Vardy, and the image above of the Church of Saint Ildefonso was promoted to featured picture status.

Martin Luther King, Jr., by Khazar2, was promoted to GA status, as well Third Epistle of John by Cerebellum.

Also these past months, the DYKs on the main page included St Mary's Church, Cleobury Mortimer by Peter I. Vardy; Marion Irvine by Giants2008; Margaret McKenna by Guerillero; Archdiocesan Cathedral of the Holy Trinity by Epeefleche; St Edith's Church, Eaton-under-Heywood by Peter I. Vardy; Vester Egesborg Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; Undløse Church by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St Martin's Church, Næstved by Ipigott, Rosiestep, Nvvchar, and Dr. Blofeld; St. Peter, Syburg by Gerda Arendt and Dr. Blofeld; Østre Porsgrunn Church by Strachkvas; Church of Our Saviour (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) by Nyttend; Dami Mission by Freikorp; Mechanicsburg Baptist Church by Nyttend; Acheiropoietos Monastery, by Proudbolsahye; T. Lawrason Riggs, by Gareth E Kegg; McColley's Chapel, by Mangoe; Oświęcim Chapel, by BurgererSF; Second Baptist Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio), by Nyttend; Church of the Holy Ghost, Tallinn, by Yakikaki; Old Stone Congregational Church, by Orladyl Heath Chapel, by Peter I. Vardy; St. Joseph's Church, Beijing, by Bloom6132; Church of St Bartholomew, Yeovilton, by Rodw; and St. Michael's Catholic Church (Mechanicsburg, Ohio) also by Nyttend. Our profoundest thanks and congratulations to all those involved!

Christian art


Complete recording

Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22, a cantata by the German composer J.S. Bach, was promoted to GA this month and was written by Gerda Arendt. Many thanks for her continuing work in the area of early 18th Century Church music.


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The Spotlight this month turns to the the Jesus work group. The scope of this project includes the life and teachings of the central figure of Christianity, Jesus Christ and aims to write about them in a non-denominational encylopædic style. Top-priority articles include Jesus, Christ, Resurrection of Jesus, and Holy Grail, whereas High-priority articles include Aramaic Language, a former FA, as well as Sermon on the Mount, Lamb of God, and Passion (Christianity). The workgroup has also published two books, covering Christ's final days and the Parables of Jesus. The workgroup has two GAs, Nativity scene, and Jesus in Islam, but unfortunately the flagship article, Jesus was delisted in 2009. It is also responsible for three WP:1.0 articles, and the WikiWork of the project is 4.56, which indicates the "average" article is between Start and C class.

By Gilderien

This coming month (end-March through end-April) includes Easter Sunday in Western Christianity and both Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday for the Eastern Orthodox Church. Other major feasts in the next month include those of Saint George, Saint Mark the Evangelist, Saint Stanislaus, James, son of Zebedee, and Benedict the Moor.

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Christianity newsletter: New format, new focus[edit]



I notice that you aren't currently subscribed to Ichthus, the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. Witha new format, we would be delighted to offer you a trial three-month, money-back guarantee, subscription to our newsletter. If you are interested then please add your name tothis list, and you will receive your first issue shortly. From June 2013 we are starting a new "in focus" section that tells our readers about an interesting and important groups of articles. The first set is about Jesus, of course. We have also started a new book review section and our own "did you know" section. In the near future I hope to start a section where a new user briefly discusses their interests.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 21:04, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Lionelt/Countering liberal bias[edit]

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Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

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Category:Sean Hannity[edit]

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Help test better mass message delivery[edit]

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Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter[edit]

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs)

Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...

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New ideas: OCLC innovations in the works; VisualEditor Reference Dialog Workshop; a photo contest idea emerges

News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

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Feast day listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


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Some baklava for you![edit]

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Article on Scientist who believes in Creation[edit]

Lionelt, I need your help on this article As it needs work to keep it from being deleted from Wikipedia. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Simbagraphix (talk)

Also if could get your input on this related article for Amazing Discoveries....
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S. Truett Cathy[edit]

Please see Talk:S._Truett_Cathy#RfC:_.22anti-gay.22.2C_again. Drmies (talk) 17:10, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


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Redirecting Anne Paulk to John Paulk[edit]

Why did you redirect Anne Paulk to John Paulk? They having conflicting interests. Rohan608 (talk) 19:24, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks, Innisfree987 (talk) 16:35, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
This has been appropriately reverted. Sorry for the bother! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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