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WikiCup 2019 May newsletter[edit]

The second round of the 2019 WikiCup has now finished. Contestants needed to scored 32 points to advance into round 3. Our top four scorers in round 2 all scored over 400 points and were:

  • Scotland Cas Liber (1210), our winner in 2016, with two featured articles and three DYKs. He also made good use of the bonus points available, more than doubling his score by choosing appropriate articles to work on.
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So far contestants have achieved nine featured articles between them and a splendid 80 good articles. Commendably, 227 GARs have been completed during the course of the 2019 WikiCup, so the backlog of articles awaiting GA review has been reduced as a result of contestants' activities. The judges are pleased with the thorough GARs that are being performed, and have hardly had to reject any. As we enter the third round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

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ArbCom 2019 special circular[edit]

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This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:59, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)[edit]

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.


  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.


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Admin Resource[edit]

I NEVER write messages to myself on my own talk page but I just saw on the Admin Report and it's an interesting resource if any talk page stalkers don't check User:JamesR/Adminstats to look at admin stats. Psst! The admins you see the most on Wikipedia are not exactly the most active admins by stats counter. People get a niche area and work in it. Liz Read! Talk! 01:59, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Aircraft decade categories should be speedy renamed instead of deleted[edit]

FYI categories like Category:Dutch civil aircraft 2000–2009 have been put up recently for speedy rename @ Wikipedia:Categories for discussion#Current requests. ~300 cats weren't found until after the original successful CfD, so some empty categories have appeared b/c all of their contents, but not the parent, were in the CfD.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  02:17, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I saw your message, Tom.Reding, in the edit summary but when I went to speedy renames at CFD, I didn't see these aircraft categories listed. I even posted a message at Military History WikiProject to try to find out what was up with these empty aircraft categories (see Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories for the dozens of ones listed). Thanks for filling me in. I'll stop tagging them for CSD C1 deletion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Lenny Castro[edit]

Hi. I noticed you deleted Lenny Castro for WP:G4 even though I created a redirect.

  • G4 "excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version".
  • A redirect is nothing similar an article.
  • Similar is a synonym for identical.

Ergo, can you check if someone "restored" the page between the time I made the redirect and the time you deleted it?

I don't know about a redirect, I deleted the recreation of an article. And you're right, the two version were not 100% identical but almost the same. In face, I think the first version of the article was stronger than the second. I don't see that either version established the kind of notability that Wikipedia requires but read the remarks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lenny Castro for other opinions. The references/citations were not very strong at all in either version and you need to establish that Castro is notable in several, NON-TRIVIAL, reliable sources that focus upon him (not just a passing mention).
Do you have any interviews, feature articles or reviews from Billboard or Guitar Player or other respected magazines or trade journals that focus upon him? Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
I think FoxyGrampa75 was just wondering what happened to the redirect they created at Lenny Castro on April 1 (see [1]). They appear unaware that their redirect was overwritten on April 9th in order to recreate a full article. I don't think their intent is to write or maintain an article on the subject.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 23:23, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
(just ninja'd) That's my point. He is not standalone notable outside of Toto (band), so I wanted to create a redirect to the aforementioned page to defer people from recreating the article and getting it salted. Once I recreate the redirect, I would like a hard protection placed at said redirect to stop people from overwriting it. FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 23:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, that, I did not get. Thanks for the explanation, Jezebel's Ponyo. I think a redirect is fine, FoxyGrampa75. I'll check and if you haven't already created it, I will. Liz Read! Talk! 00:18, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Thanks, Thegooduser. I'll check my email later tonight. Liz Read! Talk! 02:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Thegooduser, I didn't get a message. In fact, I haven't gotten any messages on my Wiki email account since May 3rd! Which is why I don't check it often. Liz Read! Talk! 00:24, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Check your spam folder maybe. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:19, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Restoration of article "Steven Paul Whitsitt"[edit]

Hello. I am requesting the restoration from deletion of the article "Steven Paul Whitsitt" created by me.

Please let me know if there's anything more you need from me to have the article restored. Thank you.

--Aerlenbach (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Aerlenbach! There isn't an article by that name but there is a draft page, Draft:Steven Paul Whitsitt. Draftspace is an area of Wikipedia where articles are worked on until they are in good enough shape for the main encyclopedia space. There are some editors that will move new articles into Draftspace from the encyclopedia if they think the articles don't have sufficient references or if there are other problems. This is perfectly normal, Draftspace (along with a user's sandbox) is where we work on articles and the page has not been deleted. Let me know if you have other questions. Liz Read! Talk! 00:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Liz, How can I get my draft article undeleted? Thanks for your help. Aerlenbach (talk) 17:15, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Did you read my message, Aerlenbach? As I said, there is no article by that name, it was not deleted so nothing needs "undeletion". It was moved to draft space. You can find it at Draft:Steven Paul Whitsitt. Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Liz thank you for all of your help and sorry for the confusion. --Aerlenbach (talk) 18:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Category:Fictional bisexuals[edit]

Why should Category:Fictional bisexuals be deleted as opposed to deleting the new Category:Fictional bisexual and polysexual characters? From what I can see, what the new category holds is what the old category should hold. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:31, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Flyer22 Reborn: I simply tag empty categories that appear on the Wikipedia Database list. Then they sit for 7 days. If someone assigns an article/page to the category (as in this case) during that week, the deletion tag is removed. If it remains empty for 7 days, the category is deleted.
BUT unless the category has gone through CfD, it can always be recreated if needed! My goal has always been to have a healthy category system that is logical and follows Wikipedia guidelines (and is USED!). Category:Fictional bisexuals was empty (and there are a lot of reasons why this could happen) but now it is not empty and I've removed the tag. If you think Category:Fictional bisexual and polysexual characters is not needed, propose deletion or merging at CfD and there is a good chance your proposal will be approved. Be well, Liz Read! Talk! 23:44, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Liz, I just meant that something was off about Category:Fictional bisexuals being empty while the new Category:Fictional bisexual and polysexual characters held material that the previous category should be holding. I knew it had something to do with the creation of the latter category. I was also thinking that, although the previous one might be recreated, it's best that it doesn't lose its edit history. Anyway, looking here and here, I see that Timrollpickering took care of the matter. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

May 2019[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. — Useddenim (talk) 12:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

If you have any issues with my editing, please just let me know, Useddenim, and we can discuss it. Happy editing, Liz Read! Talk! 03:14, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 33[edit]

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Regarding deletion of Wagyu (comedy duo) - May 2019[edit]

Hello, this is in regards to the deletion of the page Wagyu (comedy duo). It was marked for speedy deletion because it was potentially advertisement and promotional. I am somewhat confused by this because there is no intention to intentionally promote anything, if I have written in a way that seems so, I apologize. The subject in question is a famous comedy duo from Japan that have several television appearances and certainly fit the notability guidelines and if you go on their Japanese Wikipedia page or any other research on them, you'd agree that it is deserving of an encyclopedic article. If possible, can you please revert the deletion so I can make appropriate changes or at least be given a chance to contest the speedy deletion? Thanks

FreshUdon (talk) 12:16, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, FreshUdon,
I have restored the article and moved it to Draft:Wagyu (comedy duo) where you can continue to work on it. While it is not mandatory, it would really help the article avoid deletion if you could find some reliable sources in English or if you could translate the Japanese names for the newspapers/magazines/websites with English equivalents so that reviewers can see what they are. I think the article might be tagged because editors on New Page Patrol could not evaluate the quality of the sources because they were in Japanese. And, even if you are a fan of the duo, avoid overly complimentary language and try to write about this team in an even-handed, objective way. You might include any criticism or controversy involving Wagyu in order to be seen as less promotional. Let me know if you have other questions. Liz Read! Talk! 23:47, 22 May 2019 (UTC)


Yes, Derry Girls is well worth watching. Call it your reward for dealing with the sockpuppets. Cabayi (talk) 07:27, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Cabayi! I wish BBC America would play these great British shows instead of endless Star Trek reruns all day. Liz Read! Talk! 22:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Why did you delete the page =Title=?[edit]

99721829Max (talk) 16:04, May 28, 2019 (PT)

Hello, 99721829Max,
If you look at =Title=, you'll see that I was the third administrator to delete this page. Admin EncMstr deleted it on May 25th (it was tagged CSD G14: Unnecessary disambiguation page: nonsense link unlikely to be referred to) and admin SlimVirgin deleted it the day before (it was tagged CSD R3: Recently created, implausible redirect). The page also was tagged CSD R3 when I deleted it. So you have THREE editors who tagged it for deletion and then THREE admins who later deleted the page vs. you, who want to keep the page. You can see explanations of all of the criteria for speedy deletion (like G14 and R3) at Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. You also see further information about deleting redirects at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#When should we delete a redirect?.
I think the better question is why on Earth you thought anyone would be looking for "=Title=" on Wikipedia! What page would they be looking for? I think R3 was appropriate, it is an implausible redirect that no reader would ever type in the search field. And since you were so persistent, the page is now protected to prevent future recreations. Liz Read! Talk! 23:30, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the deletion of Petroteq Energy Inc.[edit]

Hello Liz,

I would love your help understanding why my article was deleted again and how I can make the necessary changes? You declined my article for the below reason - Declining; "draft reads like placed PR, and the "Patented Clean oil Recovery Technology" subheading is blatant advertising. Possibly a WP:NCORP failure as well." However, this company has a patented process called C.O.R.T. and it stands for Clean Oil Recovery Technology. I am not attempting to advertise and am not affiliated with this company in any way. I am simply a writer and activist who wants to write more articles on clean energy. I looked directly at the source page from a similar company on wikipedia when creating this one ( Can you please tell me what I am doing wrong and allow me to finish this article?

Thank you, Nikko — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikko Curtis (talkcontribs) 19:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Nikko Curtis (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Nikko,
Can you give me the exact name of the page? Was it a draft? I didn't tag your article for deletion but I guess I checked it out and followed through on the deletion. But I edit a lot of articles and it would be helpful if you gave me a link to where your deleted article page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 23:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Draft:Petroteq_Energy_Inc. (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)Bri (talk) 02:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Bri. It looks like that draft has been deleted four times, all for advertising/promotion. Liz Read! Talk! 02:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC)[edit]

Could you please block user: She has been vandalizing constantly for over 10 minutes. CLCStudent (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

I've blocked them for 48 hours, CLCStudent. Please keep an eye on them and let me know if there are continued problems. Thank you! Liz Read! Talk! 00:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
You bet I will keep an eye on her. CLCStudent (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi Liz, you may or may not already know this, but I'm guessing Tashi was blocked for that struck and suppressed comment at 20:26, 21 May 2019 in that ANI discussion (they apologized at the end). On that guess, I've copied and pasted some advice on their talk page on how to appeal a block. starship.paint (talk) 01:09, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

If it is suppressed, I can't see the comment but I trust in the decisions of our oversighters. As a principle, I think there should always be a way for blocked editors to appeal their block, even if it unlikely to have their unblock request be granted. Thanks for letting me know Starship.paint. Liz Read! Talk! 01:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
The comment's actually still there, it appears that only a specific link was suppressed. Cheers, starship.paint (talk) 01:30, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 May 2019[edit]

Deleted page[edit]

Hi Liz,

Could you please reverse the deletion of this draft page?

I am planning on working on this page.

Thanks in advance :) (I apologise if this is not the correct process, I'm very new to wikipedia) --LeadRoleInACage (talk) 04:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, LeadRoleInACage,
I'm sorry to just be seeing your message. You did the absolutely correct process, to restore an expired draft, you need to either contact the deleting administrator or go to WP:REFUND. The draft is back and can be found at Draft:Roger Boore. Again, my apology for the delay. Liz Read! Talk! 19:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Der Alkoholismus: Einführung in ein soziales Problem has been accepted[edit]

Der Alkoholismus: Einführung in ein soziales Problem, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

Bkissin (talk) 19:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Did I hurt some feelings?[edit]

I'm sorry, it's just the admins around here don't ban editors that are solely here to insert their nationalist bias across wikipedia. I'm sure accounts which make ten of thousands of edits each to support extremist ideologies are a positive effect on wikipedia, really they must be why else would they keep being allowed to edit after a dozen blockings, topic bans, and even "permanent" bans. Thanks for the warning, I'm sure you won't do anything to stop editors with an agenda as long as they are half-civil during their attacks on wikipedia.

P.S. your passive aggressive template to edit your talk page is wonderful! It makes me feel welcome to be here. Of 19 (talk) 23:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Gee, I don't think of it as passive aggressive, it's just a photo of a little kitty! It sure is not meant to be intimidating, it's just asking you to remember there is a person here (as are you) and to not post when one is angry.
As for my message to you, I meant it as a warning because I don't like to see thoughtful editors blocked because they have gotten upset and lashed out. It happens every day here on Wikipedia. It is easy to get unnerved by other editors, especially when one is reverted. Collaboration is much harder than most people think because we all come to Wikipedia with our attitudes, life experiences and biases (which we all have). Unless one is a fervent neo-Nazi, no one is blocked on Wikipedia for what they believe but for how they behave. There are many editors and admins here whom I disagree with but we need to coexist.
You didn't ask me for my opinion, but I think a) every person has an "agenda" if you mean preconceived political opinions and b) there is the expectation that editors can objectively edit despite their own personal views. And yes, I wouldn't block an editor because of their "agenda" as long as they worked collaborative, were civil and not disruptive.
If you only want to work with editors who share your own point of view, there are quite a lot of other wikis online where you might be more comfortable. Being an editor on Wikipedia involves working with people you don't agree with (especially if you choose to work on political articles). It's the nature of work here and if that is unacceptable to you, there are dozens of other sites who would probably welcome you and your efforts. Liz Read! Talk! 00:24, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Deleted my Page Helianthus and Its History[edit]

Hello, I am writing to you because you have deleted my page. I would like to ask you, if you could be so kind and have me retrieve it so I can make the changes based on the wonderful feedback that you have given me. I'd really appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayrahdez15 (talkcontribs) 04:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Mayrahdez15,
Can you give me the exact name of the page? I handle a lot of pages and deletions and so if you could give me the exact page name, I can check and see why it was deleted. Thanks.
P.S. If you end your message with four tildes (~~~~), it will sign your name to your posts. Liz Read! Talk! 04:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

yes, User:Mayrahdez15/sandbox to Mayrahdez15/Helianthus and its History and it was due to a G8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mayrahdez15 (talkcontribs) 04:23, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Okay, first, Mayrahdez15, please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). It is customary for editors to sign their posts so other people know who they are talking to. A bot signed your post for you but you can't depend on bots to do things for you.
Second, this page has a complicated history. First, there was User:Mayrahdez15/sandbox which was a redirect to a deleted page. This is the page that I deleted because it was an unneeded redirect. It served no purpose and it will not be restored.
So, your option at this point is to approach RHaworth and see if he would undelete it. You can give it a shot but RHaworth doesn't restore many pages that he deletes. But you can try. After you try this, if it is unsuccessful, I can see if I can move the content back to your sandbox. But please know that if you decide to move this draft, unchanged, back to the main space of the encyclopedia, it WILL get deleted again because we already have an article on that subject.
So, I highly recommend you go to Helianthus annuus and work on improving the existing article rather than trying to supplant the existing article with one of your own making. This article has existed since June 16, 2002‎ and has an incredible 3,139 edits to the page so it is the work of many editors. It will not be replaced by your own article. I hope I was able to address your questions and concerns. Liz Read! Talk! 05:11, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Liz, this page is ridiculously large. I have asked MiszaBot to do something about it.
Mayra, I wrote on your talk page: "Wikipedia is not a free host for student essays. Please get your supervisor to explain here how they allowed you to create the page." I am still waiting for a reply from you or your supervisor. It is a weakness of a badly-designed student project that they expect essays because marking an essay is the only way they can think of to assess your work. Can you imagine your average university lecturer wrestling with diff reports to judge what improvements you had made to the Helianthus annuus article? I am perfectly willing to send you your text so that you can post it on the university's internal wiki for your supervisor to mark. read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:07, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it is time to do some archiving. But there are much longer user talk pages than mine! Take a look at DGG's some day (299 discussions and counting). And I've seen even longer ones. Liz Read! Talk! 18:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

what was going on?[edit]

I just was removing vandalism and came across that was he threatening me ? my first time with that kind of situation was kind of lost with thatJack90s15 (talk) 01:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

If you edit Wikipedia for any long period, you will be threatened, Jack90s15. I see editors complaining about "personal attacks" on wP:ANI and I say to myself, "I don't think you have really seen a nasty personal attack!" Any way, some new editors think that it gives their opinion extra weight if they say that they have the police investigating "slander" or a lawyer looking into someone's conduct. It is almost always false, it's just bluster. In this situation, the editor will either a) drop it and continue as an editor or b) be serious about it and then they will be blocked. Wikipedia doesn't tolerate genuine legal threats. It's usually used to intimidate other editors which is not acceptable.
Please do not worry about this. I know MelanieN received notice about this and I'll be checking their user talk page. I know of only one incident that resulted in actual legal action and that is when an editor posted false, inflammatory information about a living person that was an obvious lie. That happened years ago and it is not what is happening here. Liz Read! Talk! 02:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for this you are right I Just got this on my talk page (A page you just reverted an edit to that I made (you rightfully educated me on the edit summary) really needs protection from someone trying to make false edits. I requested full protection for 6 months while a lawsuit pends but is there any way you can assist.)
and on the history of the page they say this
(My changes are being made because the claims that were listed here were unfounded and false. There is an ongoing investigation and the information that MonaBacon aka Mary Ellen Cagnassola supplied is completely untrue. We have evidence to show that her claims are false and unfounded. We ask that her content be removed before it further escalates the situation with police and lawyers)

seems like it prevalent with people saying lawyers for everything Jack90s15 (talk) 04:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

My Editing[edit]

You recently commented on my talk page and I wanted to ask why is it that you all can't seem to understand that all I wanted to do is remove the bias from the section of acting I was editing. I originally deleted the entire thing but then changed it so instead I decided to remove any biased opinion so the only thing I changed was to put theory in front of pay equity because it after all isn't factual but rather a theory so I believe personally that it has to be changed some form or another but I will refrain from deleting the entire post. Thank you TheHunter100 (talk) 05:36, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, TheHunter100,
First, you can delete anything you want from your talk page except for unblock requests (which doesn't count for you since you are not blocked).
Second, Wikipedia tries to eliminate the bias that all editors have by not relying on my point of view or yours but what reliable sources say, that is reputable publications (newspapers, magazines, books, some websites) that are known for their truthfulness, fact-checking and editorial oversight. If you have questions about what sources are reliable (or you'd like to challenge a source you see as unreliable) there is a noticeboard for that: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Wikipedia doesn't care what you or I consider to be "the Truth" but information that is Verifiable. If you are concerned about bias, you might read Wikipedia:Truth which is NOT policy but is a user essay.
Finally, there are points of view on Wikipedia that I don't agree with as it seems like there are ones you don't. The correct response is either to challenge the sources (and it helps if you have alternative reliable sources to back you up) or, what I've chosen to do which is edit other articles. There are almost 6 million articles on Wikipedia so there are plenty of ways to contribute instead focusing upon the half dozen articles which strike me as inaccurate. Obsessing on differences of opinion can drive you crazy and lead you into edit wars which are best to avoid at all costs.
Happy editing, whatever you choose to do, Liz Read! Talk! 02:09, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Deleted empty categories[edit]

Hi Liz, I see you deleted Category:Israeli bank robbers and Category:Israeli kidnappers yesterday because they were empty. And the reason they were empty is because on May 29, SPA BneiBrakPhone (talk · contribs) deleted the first one from Ronnie Leibowitz and the second one from Aharon Goldberg (along with many others). I have reverted the vandalism, but I am calling today about the deleted categories. StonyBrook (talk) 23:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, StonyBrook,
After empty categories are tagged for deletion, they sit for 7 days in case they were emptied "out of process". That is usually enough time to catch these kinds of errors. Every week, I pull categories out of Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion that were empty but later have some pages assigned to them.
Unless a category has been deleted through the CfD process, there is no problem recreating these categories once they are again deemed to be necessary. I'll restore these two categories. Thanks for letting me know! Liz Read! Talk! 23:12, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
You bet. We need more patrollers, I wish I had more time :( StonyBrook (talk) 23:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).


Administrator changes

removed AndonicConsumed CrustaceanEnigmamanEuryalusEWS23HereToHelpNv8200paPeripitusStringTheory11Vejvančický

CheckUser changes

removed Ivanvector

Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Wikipedians who use Chromebook[edit]


Category:Wikipedians who use Chromebook has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. —⁠andrybak (talk) 15:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, andrybak. I didn't create this category but I did edit it. I appreciate the notice. Liz Read! Talk! 22:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

"a world unto itself"[edit]

Relating to your recent comment "MOS is a world unto itself" I once suggested a collective name to them: MOStafarians. For once, there were no comments. Shenme (talk) 00:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Applause, applause, Shenme! I think they could use a little mellowing out, so to speak, Jah, man. Liz Read! Talk! 04:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

You've Got Mail[edit]

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

NCdave (talk) 05:57, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, NCdave. I'll be checking my email later tonight. Liz Read! Talk! 00:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)R

GOCE June newsletter[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors June 2019 Newsletter
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Hello and welcome to the June newsletter, a brief update of Guild activities since March 2019. You can unsubscribe from our mailings at any time; see below.

Election time: Nomination of candidates in our mid-year Election of Coordinators opened on 1 June, and voting will take place from 16 June. Coordinators normally serve a six-month term and are elected on an approval basis. Self-nominations are welcome. If you've thought of helping out at the Guild, or know of another editor who would make a good coordinator, please consider standing for election or nominating them here.

June Blitz: Our June blitz will soon be upon us; it will begin at 00:01 on 16 June (UTC) and will close at 23:59 on 22 June (UTC). The themes are "nature and the environment" and all requests.

March Drive: Thanks to everyone for their work in March's Backlog Elimination Drive. We removed copyedit tags from 182 of the articles tagged in our original target months October and November 2018, and the month finished with 64 target articles remaining from November and 811 in the backlog. GOCE copyeditors also completed 22 requests for copyedit in March; the month ended with 34 requests pending. Of the 32 people who signed up for this drive, 24 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

April Blitz: Thanks to everyone who participated in the April Blitz; the blitz ran from 14 to 20 April (UTC) inclusive and the themes were Sports and Entertainment. Of the 15 people who signed up, 13 copyedited at least one article. Participants claimed 60 copyedits. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: As of 04:36, 3 June 2019 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have completed 267 requests since 1 January. The backlog of tagged articles stands at 605 articles.

May Drive: During the May Backlog Elimination Drive, Guild copy-editors removed copyedit tags from 191 of the 192 articles tagged in our original target months of November and December 2018, and January 2019 was added on 22 May. We finished the month with 81 target articles remaining and a record low of 598 articles in the backlog. GOCE copyeditors also completed 24 requests for copyedit during the May drive, and the month ended with 35 requests pending. Of the 26 people who signed up for this drive, 21 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Miniapolis, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, Reidgreg and Tdslk.

To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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gender stats[edit]

See User talk:Cryptic for some stats that may be of interest to you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 03:47, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Calliopejen1. I didn't mean to ping you but I guess you got the alert. I had written out a response to post to the discussion, then realized I was out of my depth. But I didn't want to completely erase my thoughts. Right now, it's not a welcoming environment for opinions that are contrary to the prevailing mood and I understand, people are upset. I'll check out Cryptic's page. Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 03:56, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Re:Draft:2019–20 Golden State Warriors season[edit]

Hello there, regarding the message you've left on my talk page, I believe the draft should be deleted right away as you said there's an article of the same name exists already. It's fine with me, I could just edit there instead. Cheers! :-) VictorTorres2002 (talk) 00:54, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks you for letting me know, Victor. I'll take care of it. Liz Read! Talk! 01:05, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Aircraft list maintenance categories[edit]

Please do not tag a category for SPEEDY if it has been empty for less than a week. Also, these are maintenance categories, one was only created yesterday, and it is reasonable to suppose that the editor who created it the day before will object. Your action was therefore in violation of WP:SPEEDY. Finally, I am disappointed that you did not have the courtesy to ask me what I was up to first, as being told that one's work is up for SPEEDY requires prompt action which may inconvenience and is certainly impolite. Thank you for your proper respect for our policies and guidelines from here on in. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 07:42, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Steelpillow,
Unlike other categories of speedy deletion, CSD C1, the tag for empty categories, just tags the categories, they are not deleted. Then, the tagged categories sit for 7 days in Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion. If after a week they are still empty, then they are deleted. But as long as a category hasn't been deleted in a Categories for Discussion case, any empty category that is deleted can be recreated at any time. A month later, a year later, no problem!
It sometimes happens that over the course of this 7 day waiting period, a page or article will be assigned to a category and it is no longer empty. In that case we simply remove it from the Empty Categories category and take off the CSD tag. In your case, I thought that over 7 days, the two categories might very well have an article or two assigned to them and then we could remove them from the Empty Categories category.
Since you are so sure these two categories will be used, I'll remove the CSD tags now. In spite of this, they will continue to appear every night in the Empty Categories list (that is generated daily by BernsteinBot) as long as they are empty. Any editor can choose to retag them and there are other editors who regularly check this page. In a week, if they are still empty, then I am going to retag them. That gives you two weeks to find at least 1 article that is appropriate for each of these categories. I think that should be sufficient time for you.
Ultimately though, whether it is me or another admin, empty categories that are not

...disambiguation categories, category redirects, featured topics categories, categories under discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion (or other such discussions), or project categories that by their nature may become empty on occasion (e.g. Category:Wikipedians looking for help).

are tagged and will be deleted after 7 days as that is what Wikipedia policy guides us to do. Let me know if you have other questions. Liz Read! Talk! 20:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I see that Category:Lists of aircraft in default format already has contents and that you removed the tag from Category:Lists of aircraft in maintenance format. That means the work is done. Good luck with your aviation project. Liz Read! Talk! 20:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Opt-out of empty categories notifications[edit]

Hi Liz, please leave me off the list of notifications of empty categories I created; possibly there was an article in the category which I can't find now (and won't argue about). Thank you. Hugo999 (talk) 03:19, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Absolutely, Hugo999. I've been notifying editors who do a lot of category creation about this. I was brought to ANI for NOT notifying category creators about CSD C1 tagging so now it is the default. But I can omit your creation notices easily. Thanks for letting me know. Liz Read! Talk! 03:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Happy Wikibirthday[edit]

I noticed that your user page mentions that it's your wikibirthday, so I wanted to wish you a happy one. Clovermoss (talk) 04:41, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Wow, I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't pointed it out. Thank you, Clovermoss! It's much appreciated! Liz Read! Talk! 21:24, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Category:Asian ancestry Wikipedians[edit]

Technically, as the category is populated by {{User in Asia}}, so WP:CSD#C1 doesn't apply.

The template should probably be deleted first. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:47, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Well, the category is empty right now. It has 7 days for someone to add at least one page to the category (just one!). I'll see if there are some more specific Wikipedian ancestry categories that can be added to it. Liz Read! Talk! 22:19, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

You've got a message - deleted page[edit]

Hi! I recently found out that my page was deleted. I have good intentions editing from here and I am deeply sorry if I have contravene any rules and promise to effect every recommendation and correction. I will sincerely appreciate if you will be kind enough to give me a second chance as a senior editor. Thanks for your kind consideration.

Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 16:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Ohanwe Emmanuel .I.,
I believe that the page you are speaking of is Draft:Otis Oliver Tabugbo Anyaeji (pages aren't yours or mine but are owned by Wikipedia). It was deleted on May 29, 2019 by admin RHaworth for reason G12, "Unambiguous copyright infringement of". For legal reasons, all content on Wikipedia has to be original and not borrowed from other sources like other websites, books or magazines. Everything has to be written in your own words with citations to reference specific facts. Wikipedia has powerful tools that lets editors check to see if any of the article content has been taken from other sources.
Because of this, the draft article can not be restored. It would be best if you started from scratch, from the beginning. But if you would like me to email you the draft version, let me know and enable email access for your Wikipedia account through your Preferences (do not leave your email address here!). But please know that if you reuse any content from other sources, the draft will just be deleted again. However, if you know the text well, there might be parts of the article that are original that you could still use. Liz Read! Talk! 17:48, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I am deeply grateful Liz. I have updated my email in the preference and would love to have the draft emailed so I can reconstruct. Thank a bunch!

Ohanwe Emmanuel .I. (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

 Done Good luck rewriting this article. Liz Read! Talk! 03:03, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Christopher Kaelin[edit]

Hello can you assist me in applying page protection to this article? I have an editor with a personal preference for content - that has reverted multiple times. Now another editor seems to have joined, and their opinions and random templates are not policy. The opinion involves a properly referenced primary sourced block-quote. The talk page has no consensus for removing. I have also sent a message to two other administrators regarding this issue. I do not wish to be in an edit war or get myself in trouble, and I think this protection can slow things down and allow discussion on the talk page. My best Lubbad85 ()(Edits) 15:22, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

The June 2019 Signpost is out![edit]


[2] If we want to disagree on something, we'll have to find something better ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

We just needed a link to the article. Liz Read! Talk! 17:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Breitbart is blacklisted, technical wizardry is required. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

All questions are welcome[edit]

No I didn’t. Signpost is part of Wikipedia and we have every right to enforce our policies there. Defamation is a “hair on fire” situation where you remove first and ask questions later. Jehochman Talk 17:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).


Administrator changes

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1Floquenbeam's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.
2Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

Technical news

  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:20, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

WOPR user[edit]

He also joined the person from the redacted site in calling me a sick and twisted pervert. True crime is a specialist subject for me, not an obsession. I feel that someone should care about victims after the media spotlight has changed. If i was wrong, i am sorry. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 00:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Signpost ArbCom case[edit]

Hello Liz, I believe the very first sentence of your ArbCom statement may be disputed. I invite you to read paragraph 4 of my statement, where I provided some evidence. starship.paint (talk) 00:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I think my questions are valid, Starship.paint. Did Smallbones get permission from Fram? If "yes", then he can't be faulted for publishing the Signpost article. If "no", then he violated Fram's rights to not be accused. I don't think one can only take on-wiki evidence, ArbCom needs to see the email exchange that Smallbones mentions that occurred between them. I don't know if that will happen because Smallbones states that Fram wanted to keep it private. But I do know that I'm undecided on the matter until consent has been determined. Otherwise, it is he said, he said.
While you have been very polite, I think you have already made up your mind that any charges against Fram are false.. That's definitely the standpoint of the most vocal Wikipedians but I don't know that this is actually the Truth, with a capital T. But, as you know, Wikipedia doesn't care about truth, we care about verifiability. So, let's have ArbCom see all the available evidence and they can come to a decision. But what I do know for sure is that NONE of us knows the whole story behind this whole mess. Ideally, WMF would disclose more information to ArbCom to make this possible but, unfortunately, that doesn't seem like it will happen. Liz Read! Talk! 01:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
(1) Yes, Liz, one cannot only take on-wiki evidence, but that is all I know of and can show, and that shows that Fram disputed before press time. (2) Yes, Liz, ArbCom should take a look at private evidence. (3) No, Liz, I don't agree that any charges against Fram are false. I don't even know Fram, actually. There's so much we don't know. That doesn't mean that we can keep casting more and more aspersions, I hope. Fram might very well have done many bad things, and if so, he has to go. Let ArbCom see it all and decide. starship.paint (talk) 01:24, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, I'll strike that comment then and apologize. You have been so adamant about this issue that I made assumptions about your position. I guess we can both agree that ArbCom should step up and take the lead here because otherwise, there will be continuing acrimony between hard-working editors and the WMF which I think is an unacceptable state of affairs. Liz Read! Talk! 01:43, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, we agree, ArbCom needs to do the work. Thank you for apologizing. I do want justice for Fram, that does not mean an acquittal on all charges, but that does means the right to reply / defend oneself / appeal, that's all. starship.paint (talk) 01:56, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you![edit]

Dobos cake (Gerbeaud Confectionery Budapest Hungary).jpg Lightburst (talk) 20:41, 3 July 2019 (UTC) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.

To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Thank you, Lightburst! That is very thoughtful of you! Liz Read! Talk! 20:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Would you consider a bribe?[edit]

If you reverse your vote I will add you to Category:Unblockable users then you too can be unblockable. Jehochman Talk 23:28, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

That's alright. I like living on the edge. Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk page access[edit]

You might want to revoke this user's talk page access. —Rutilant 07:30, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:32, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Cullen328. You really are up all night! Liz Read! Talk! 23:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
That was just a little bit after midnight for me, Liz. I need to watch the late night comedy talk shows to unwind, while editing Wikipedia during the commercials and boring parts. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 00:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
I totally understand although I'm an early bird, rather than a night owl. I edit while watching sitcoms that don't require rapt attention. My family has gotten use to watching me edit while the television is on. I couldn't do this if I was working on content creation but for evaluating spammy pages and tagging them, it's no problem. Liz Read! Talk! 00:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hi Liz,

I appreciate your work on Wiki, and i need your help Can you help me for editing ?

Thank you, Byumba (talk) 14:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Your first edit you give me a barnstar? Who are you? Have we met, under another account? Liz Read! Talk! 00:00, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Edge Gravity by Ericsson[edit]

I see you deleted Draft:Edge Gravity by Ericsson under WP:G12.  I don't think that applies. Per, the content of patents is not copyrighted. There may be other reasons to delete this, but not G12. -- RoySmith (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

My mistake then. Thank you for calling it to my attention, Roy, I've restored it. Liz Read! Talk! 16:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Excuse me[edit]

Thank you for processing for speedy deletion Template:Current Austrian Football Bundesliga table. But I found one error. Sawol (talk) 03:38, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done, Sawol, because I trust you know more about Austrian football than I do. Liz Read! Talk! 03:44, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Holy Fire - SPI[edit]

I have opened a WP:SPI at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tounom, because our friend came back as User:Tunom with the same M.O. Elizium23 (talk) 07:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, Elizium23. I'll protect the article if it hasn't already been protected. Liz Read! Talk! 23:16, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
You are welcome. His latest target is April 18 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). Elizium23 (talk) 23:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, he is certainly passionate. I'll check the accounts and that article. Liz Read! Talk! 23:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I think you are possessed by deamons, thats why you dont want to accept the legitimate and well documented contribution regarding Martyr Tunom Tunom (talk) 07:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
I dont think I made any personal attack. Martyr Tunom is a well known Saint who is closely related to the Holy Fire. Additionaly he is a person who gave a testimony of the existance of the Holy Fire, and paid this testimony with his life. You allow all other testimonies (mostly against Holy Fire), but you deny this one which was paid by a person's life. Some wikipedians dont want this perfectly legitimate and documented information to appear here. Not only they revert but also they delete the contribution fiercly. For this tottaly irrational attack what other reasonable explaination could you give, if not that they are possessed by deamons, the same deamons that caused Tunom's death? You will certainly be punished by God, for fighting against Truth. Tunom8 (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Tunom inserted three nails into the ground and said. In this way, the nails will be inserted into the eyes of those who do not believe. In this way the nails will be inserted in to your eyes too. Just pray that this to happen to you in this temproary life, and not in after life that never ends.Tunom9 (talk) 11:06, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019[edit]

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Books & Bytes
Issue 34, May – June 2019

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Speedy deletion declined: Category:1954 in volleyball[edit]

Hello Liz, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Category:1954 in volleyball, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Category is populated or is otherwise allowed to be empty. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 09:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

I know the criteria, DeltaQuad. Empty categories that have been tagged sit for 7 days in a separate category and often times get populated during this week. In those cases, we remove the CSD tag and they are removed from the category. It is only when they are empty for seven days and stay empty that they are deleted.
There are strict criteria for empty categories that are allowed to stay empty...tracking categories, category redirects, categories that are subjects of CfD discussions. Otherwise, empty categories are deleted. They can always be recreated if there later proves to be a need for them unless they were subject to a CfD deletion. If you ever see a CSD C1 tagged category that has pages that have been assigned to it, feel free to remove the tag from the category. Liz Read! Talk! 18:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
P.S. I just tag empty categories that appear on this list, Wikipedia:Database reports/Empty categories.Category:1954 in volleyball might have contents now, but it was empty when I tagged it on July 5th. Liz Read! Talk! 18:56, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Liz, sorry, I didn't know it was you that put up the notice, I know you are aware of the policy. I failed to actually look who put the notice as I just use a script that easily declines or deletes. I didn't notify for the two other ones. Had I known it was for you, I would have just declined without the automated notice. Apologies. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 01:06, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I was surprised by your message, DeltaQuad, but I don't mind your questions at all. I am disturbed by admins I think are acting on CSD notices without evaluating the page first. I declined one speedy delete the other day and then I found another admin had gone ahead and deleted the article. So, I restored it.
I'm not sure what to do but I am sure there are pages being deleted that if I had looked at them first, I would have removed the deletion tag. Probably not enough material to take someone to ArbCom but I think we have to rethink our mass delete approach. Especially when an article is in a sandbox or in draft space, we should allow pages to improve over time. I wish admins would spend more time educating new editors rather than obliterating their efforts. Liz Read! Talk! 01:35, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

User:Jshorton11/sandbox deletion[edit]

Hey Liz, I guess I moved my sandbox page to the public space? Certainly didn't mean too. My apologies, Jeff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshorton11 (talkcontribs) 20:08, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Jeff,
You moved your sandbox to M. Basheer Ahmed M.D. where another admin deleted the page because it was deemed to be a copyright violation, text taken from a press release (which you can see if you look at the deleted page). I deleted the sandbox page because it was a broken redirect to the deleted page.
Please remember that all content has to be original, written by you and not taken from any website, book or magazine. Please look over Wikipedia:Copyrights for more information. If you have any additional questions, I recommend visiting the Teahouse where experienced editors can offer you advice. Liz Read! Talk! 20:19, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes Liz, I will re submit that article again after I fix these issues. I am new to wiki so I will take any help I can get! I think the descriptions of the organizations he founded may have been the problem but I'm waiting to hear back from the administrator that deleted the article. I wish he had given me a heads up about the problems and I would have fixed them right away. Anyway, hope your having a great day... and Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshorton11 (talkcontribs) 20:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Liz, can you offer some advice for me on this article? Can I get this article back in my sandbox as it was so I don't have to rebuild it? I know you are probably very busy but any help would be so appreciated. Also will I be able to resubmit this from my sandbox once I fix the issues? Wikipedia suggests using Special:Mypage to create a new article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jshorton11 (talkcontribs) 22:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello, Jeff,
I have emailed you a draft. Please do not put it back into your sandbox without fixing the copyright issues or it will be deleted again. We can not have copyright violations on Wikipedia. If you want help with the article, I recommend vising Articles for Creation. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~). Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 22:38, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes Liz, I understand. Thanks again! Jshorton11 (talk) 22:45, 16 July 2019 (UTC)


Please block user:2409:4064:20a:1616::3c7:f0a4 . They are evading a block too. (talk) 23:39, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Why? Liz Read! Talk! 23:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
They are vandalizing. Please do it quickly. They are so fast. (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Come on. (talk) 23:43, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
 Done I have to investigate the editor, I just can't block a user because you say so. That said, you were right, they were spamming Wikipedia. Thank you for letting me know. I appreciate it. Liz Read! Talk! 23:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

List of events at Maxwell C. King Center for the Performing Arts[edit]

Please undelete this page. I had added a few refs, but had not gotten the opportunity to fully source it yet. Thanks. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 10:57, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done, FieldMarine. Please remember the criticism of original research that prompted the PROD and make sure you have some additional reliable sources to verify the information in the article. Happy editing! Liz Read! Talk! 14:34, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. I will do my best. If it does not work out, we can delete it. I will need some time though. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I understand. We can always move it to your user sandbox if you want to protect it from deletion. Just let me know. Liz Read! Talk! 15:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


Could you please block user: so they stop their bad edits? (talk) 15:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done Liz Read! Talk! 15:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Thonburi University F.C.[edit]

Please restore Thonburi University F.C. because Thonburi University Football Club is a football club in Thailand, it competed in Thai League 4 since 2019 season. This is the club's data from Thai League official website. This article has deleted in 2018 since the club has not promoted to the professional league. at that time, they have not enough of sources. But now in 2019 season, They has promoted to Thai League 4 that is a professional league. We could found the club's info in the official website of Thai League that have a lot of data including fixture, result, standing, and all player's statistics. In addition, Thonburi University Football Club has competed in 2019 Thai League Cup and advanced to the round of 16 by beaten the club from the top division Samut Prakan City F.C.. This is the news from Thai League official website about drawing in the round of 32. And this is drawing in the round of 16 Thonburi University vs PT Prachuap, this is the match highlight. There are a lot of news about Thonburi University F.C. such as this showed that Thonburi University funded 5 millions Thai Baht to competed in the 2019 season of Thai League 4, and they will renaming to Thonburi United F.C. in 2020 season, now you can found this name on the club's official Facebook page that update every situations of the club. —Gunkiet (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Gunkiet, but I can not restore it. It was deleted because of a decision at the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ayodhya City F.C. which came to the conclusion that Discussion shows that whilst some sourcing can be found for these clubs the level of coverage is at best trivial / routine. You can appeal this decision at Wikipedia:Deletion review if you feel like the deletion discussion was closed in error. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Gunkiet, Deletion Review is usually where we send editors to recover pages that were deleted due to a deletion discussion but you could also try Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. You might have more success there. Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 00:28, 19 July 2019 (UTC)