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A cup of hot tea to welcome you!

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Your latest article[edit]

Very nicely done work at Carlos Suárez (cinematographer)! NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 23:00, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Gracias. Lourdes

A cup of tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg You handled your situation pretty well. Like real life, there are always good people and bad people here. Thanks for your article creations! sst✈(discuss) 10:55, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you SSTflyer. I will enjoy the tea. Lourdes (talk) 12:58, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


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Hi. It's great that you're filling in so many of the missing Australian first-class cricketers. On dates, the convention in the US is to put Month/day/year, but in most of the rest of the world (UK, Australia, India etc) it's common practice to put Day/month/year (or DMY), which is neater because it avoids the need for a comma. You seem to have used the shorthand version inside the infobox on your latest cricketer successfully: the df=yes tag merely confirms that you want the day to come first, not the month. I think if the tag isn't there, it defaults to the US way of doing things, which wouldn't be right for cricketers. Like quite a lot of WP, this has probably been copied into the Infobox cricketer template from some other source, probably of American origin, and has been modified to fit the local circumstances. Cheers. Johnlp (talk) 18:49, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Johnlp, though am not sure how the stuff inside "{{}}"" works, it looks good and I thank you for making me learn this. Although I am not Australian, my very close friend is, and that's one reason for my interest in Australian cricketers of yore. I saw the articles you have created and wooooooooooh..... that list is so impressive. I am still learning and it is quite interesting. I also feel good adding these articles in the format that Wikipedia wants, without breaking the software and code inside the articles. Your explaining things is so helpful. Thank you. Lourdes (talk) 05:11, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the Barnstar: it's very kind of you. One of the things I've found here over the years is that you don't have to know how something works to be able to make it work. So we all take advantage of short-cuts like the dates routines. The thought that this is really a collaborative effort is one of the best things about WP. Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 09:45, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
PS. I don't really do article reviewing: there are cricket editors such as User:Harrias who get involved with that kind of thing and maybe you could approach him, though I know he said he was rather busy currently. Johnlp (talk) 09:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I will talk to User Harrias. Lourdes (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

S. Perera (Old Cambrians cricketer)[edit]

I notice you added a reference to S. Perera (Old Cambrians cricketer) (Janashakthi Book of Sri Lanka Cricket, 1832-1996). I don't have access to that book; are you able to say what it says about Perera? StAnselm (talk) 16:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello StAnselm. The book only gives a scorecard of a pre 1990 cricket match. I am not able to make a definite claim on that that the person listed is the same person. Therefore I would remove the same. I hope that is alright with you. Lourdes (talk) 18:28, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Right, thanks very much. StAnselm (talk) 19:39, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Nice expansion work on the article, Xender. Thank you. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Lugnuts. I don't know if this matters but you were the person whose work introduced me to how to format Australian cricketers. I was creating some Spanish artists' articles and was seeing the new page review list when I saw your articles and decided to copy the format. Thank you for your unknown support. Lourdes (talk) 10:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Xender. Welcome to WP and pleased to see that you are helping us at WP:CRIC. I know you are aware of the controversy and, indeed, contention that this article has given rise to. The fundamental issue is still being debated, at both WT:CRIC and WT:NSPORTS. You are of course welcome to take part in those discussions if you wish.
Given that opponents of the Perera article objected to the sparse information found in CricketArchive (CA) and ESPNcricinfo (CI), WP:CRIC decided to try and obtain extra source info direct from Sri Lanka. As far as I know, the only lead anyone had was a contact that I still have from my past membership of the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians (ACS). This gentleman worked in Sri Lanka for a number of years at the turn of the century and he is very keen on its cricket. I contacted him to see if he could help and, unfortunately, we got our wires crossed about a limited edition handbook which the ACS published in 2005 and a new edition that is a work in progress. We cannot use works in progress as sources: they must be published. There was a needless and overheated argument about this issue, which should never have even become an issue as it was merely a question about the date of publication that needed an answer.
That was a few weeks ago and I have not been active since then but, in the meantime, the question has been answered by my ACS contact. Although he was not a member of the ACS in 2005 when the handbook was published, he has been advised by another member that it was published, a limited edition as always. A new edition is proposed but no idea if or when that may be published too. Okay, so this is second- and even third-hand information but the ACS as an organisation is an impeccable source. As such, I believe we should use the information to improve the article but, of course, if someone should eventually discover that the information is incorrect, then we will amend it accordingly as we would any other article. I'm sure you appreciate that there is no difficulty there and that we can only work with what we believe to be correct.
The published edition was called "Sri Lankan Cricketers" (ACS, 2005) and was complementary to other handbooks called "First-class cricket matches played in Sri Lanka" (this was published in 1987 when SL was still a new full ICC member) and an annual series called "Sri Lanka first-class matches in (ccyy)" which covered many years through the 1990s and 2000s. I'm told that the player handbook confirms Perera's name (Suresh) and date of birth (5 June 1970), plus the fact that he was an off spinner and other details as per CA and CI. It does not, however, say if he was RHB or LHB. I might add, given concerns expressed at the AfD about the reliability of CA and CI, that my ACS contacts have checked the scorecard information in CA and CI against their own versions and have verified it. Where CA and CI have evidently gone wrong on this occasion is that they think Perera is two players, given the seven-year gap between his two matches. They are not perfect, neither are we, but one shared mistake does not reduce their reputations or reliability. They are substantial sources who have for once got some detail incorrect, but fortunately the ACS information provides a fallback if we choose to use it.
I think it is fair to say that you know a good deal more about Sri Lankan cricket than I do, so I am putting this evidence before you. If you think the article should be amended, given the ACS input which is admittedly third-hand, then please go ahead. If you think we should set it aside, then I will concur. It is a difficult point given the views of the article's opponents and I think we need to be in agreement ourselves. I should mention that the article needs to be renamed in any case and moved to, for example, Suresh Perera (cricketer, born 1970). That is to disambiguate him from the Test player of the same name.
Take your time to think this over and if I can help you with anything in WP:CRIC or anything re the site as a whole, feel free to drop me a line. Thanks very much. All the best for 2016. Jack | talk page 08:16, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Jack. Thank you for giving me the information written above. Let me put forward that I am a fresh editor here and do not feel confident of giving off an impression that tells otherwise. I saw the number of articles you and others have created on Wikipedia and also the years that you have been here. I am nothing compared to that. I surely do not have more knowledge about cricketers than you do. In fact I would have very less knowledge about the same. I am a singer not a sportsperson and I am doing my final studies in social sciences. The only reason I am interested in editing Australian cricketers' pages is because my close friend is Australian and he follows cricket. I edit when I have free time as I gain quite extraordinary learning from this place. And the people are really helpful here. I saw the Perera article while visiting the contributions page of an editor Johnlp who had helped me and guided me a lot a few days back. I will try to find out sources from my university library or from other places about the cricketer and try to help. But I cannot promise anything more. Thank you for writing to me. Sorry to disappoint you. Lourdes (talk) 10:01, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Quite all right, Xender. You are very modest. I'm sure you will be a fine editor, though. If you need any help with anything about cricket coverage, just write to WT:CRIC or one of the members like John, Tintin or myself. Thanks very much. Jack | talk page 17:07, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
I will do that. Thank you for the support extended. Lourdes (talk) 17:10, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

William Walker (Australian cricketer)[edit]

Hi, can you please expand the name of the first reference which now reads just "Rose, T. (2006)" Tintin 16:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Sí Mr. Tintin. I will do that. Lourdes (talk) 10:03, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Merci Tintin 12:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Unknown batting hand[edit]

This is one of those little bugbears we unfortunately have because there are a couple of editors who insist on stating that the batting hand is unknown if the sources don't record it. One of them uses the phrase "unknown handedness". It is common among sources discussing early players that RHB/LHB is not given. I have an open mind on the point and am happy for it to be there or for it not to be there. I agree we will leave it out in Perera's case because the article is a bone of contention.

I hope you are enjoying CRIC. Keep up the good work. All the best. Jack | talk page 11:33, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello BlackJack. I am enjoying editing. Thanks for the note and for asking. On the point of the batting hand, please take the lead and edit it whichever way you think is correct. I just put my view and have no experience on what is correct. Lourdes (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

It's one of those cases where both methods are correct. On balance, I think I agree with your edit summary that what is unknown should be left out until it is known. :-) Jack | talk page 11:52, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for William Walker (Australian cricketer)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Guau! Lourdes (talk) 04:29, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Great work! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Well done, Xender. I wrote underarm bowling so that fact is something I'm interested in. Great stuff. Jack | talk page 15:15, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Lugnuts. Thank you Jack. Lourdes (talk) 17:32, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of William Walker (Australian cricketer)[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article William Walker (Australian cricketer) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Harrias -- Harrias (talk) 07:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Harrias.Lourdes (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


Nice work on starting List of Queensland first-class cricketers. I'm happy to create biographies for missing articles once the list is completed. I'm working my way through all the Australian FC lists and should get them all done one day! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 12:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Lugnuts. The list will take so long to complete I think. I can't do it alone. Will try to populate it as much as I can. Lourdes (talk) 17:34, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of First first-class cricket match in Australia[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article First first-class cricket match in Australia you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ikhtiar H -- Ikhtiar H (talk) 14:41, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of First first-class cricket match in Australia[edit]

The article First first-class cricket match in Australia you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:First first-class cricket match in Australia for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ikhtiar H -- Ikhtiar H (talk) 15:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Is this for real? Yay!!! Lourdes (talk) 16:19, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
It's a nice article - great work! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:03, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Well done, Xender. Really good work. Some impressive research too. Jack | talk page 19:38, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Excellent. Congrats. Johnlp (talk) 10:56, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much all of you. Your assistance and guidance went a long way. Lourdes (talk) 02:06, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


If you want to, please review my DYK nom for Annelie Nordström. It should hopefully be a pretty straight-forwards review as it is fully sourced and has an interesting hook... Template:Did you know nominations/Annelie Nordström. Regards--BabbaQ (talk) 22:25, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to c/e the hook and article if you find any improvements.BabbaQ (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I will do it in case it is not done already. Thank you for asking me. Lourdes (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Edmund Wainwright[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Rahul Thakkar[edit]

Issues have been raised that need to be addressed. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 15:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for leaving a note. Lourdes (talk) 07:48, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
Wanted to inform you that I have edited the note you added and also removed the reference as it seems a non-standard reference (a website set up by an engineer and not a media house). The current references support your note, so no issues in that. Thanks for understanding. Lourdes (talk) 08:38, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I thought that the website offered the clearest and most lucid explanation of the technical aspects of the note. I personally would leave them in, as that was (for me) the headwater for the note. But I leave that judgment to you. 7&6=thirteen () 12:43, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Port Phillip v Van Diemen's Land, 1851[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Rahul Thakkar[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Rahul Thakkar[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Autopatrolled granted[edit]

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Hi Lourdes, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! — Earwig talk 01:04, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Thank you for the consideration. Lourdes (talk) 08:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you Katie. Lourdes (talk) 01:39, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Lourdes. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

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If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Katietalk 00:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

  • I don't see a lot of recent reporting to AIV, but the ones you have done are good and you're reverting appropriately. Sorry for the delay in reviewing your request, and if you have questions don't hesitate to ask. :-) Katietalk 00:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
    Katie thanks so much. I'll surely come back to you if I face any issues. Thanks for considering this. Lourdes 02:29, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

ORCP Reply[edit]

Hi Lourdes, thanks for your comments at my ORCP entry. To address your concerns regarding Roccat Browser, I'd not realised how awful the references had become, which is disappointing. I'll try to work on improving them, but I fear some of the IPs/new users there may have a connection Face-sad.svg. As for warning users when I revert their edits, I try to leave informative edit summaries, and only warn when required - sometimes it's clear the user is new and could benefit more from a stern welcome than a warning. I'd happily discuss any particular reverts which you believe I should have warned on. Again, thank you for your comments, I truly appreciate them Face-smile.svg -- samtar talk or stalk 15:30, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

No problems. I just noticed that in your very recent edits, you hadn't warned the ips who were vandalising. That's about it. Hope I did not offend you. See you later. Lourdes (talk) 18:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Helena Skirmunt[edit]

Then you should love what I'm about to add. :-) Ever seen her self-portrait? I ran into it in Vilnius this summer and photographed it - I'm uploading the image to Commons now, and will be adding it to the article in a moment.

Please feel free to add to the article - my Belarusian is nonexistent. I used Google Translate to get a rough idea of what I was writing. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Wow, I've never seen her self-portrait. I will add to the article in due course. You are an amazing editor. Lourdes (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
You're too kind, and I too undeserving - thanks. :-)
I'd never heard of her, but I'm always on the lookout for women artists whose work I don't know. It's a nice little gallery, the Vilnius Picture Gallery - I passed a couple of very pleasant hours there. May I ask in what context her name came up?
Keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:48, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind words. My research guide has a Belarusian legacy and is deeply into the arts. She introduced me to Helena. Lourdes (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Interesting. I was an art history major, and my interest was Polish art, but I'm afraid I didn't study much Eastern European work in class; I had to come up with it on my own, mostly. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 02:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
And your work is admirable. I am afraid but I guess even the word admirable fails to encapsulate your work. I just saw your contributions. You almost seem like the main server running Wikipedia. Lourdes (talk) 02:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Well, gotta do something to keep myself out of trouble. :-) Thanks for the kind words. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 03:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
) See you around. Lourdes (talk) 03:21, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much[edit]

I certainly will - it's not every day that one is awarded oneself. :-) You are very kind, and I am most grateful - thanks very much, and I look forward to displaying it (him? Me?) on my shelf for some time to come. :-)

As always, happy editing!--Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you :-) Lourdes (talk) 03:09, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Pseudo-educational television listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Pseudo-educational television. Since you had some involvement with the Pseudo-educational television redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Jeh (talk) 09:37, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Ouch my toes are burining[edit]

Ah, I always took A11 to only cover articles which include an explicit claim about the writer having invented the thing, the furthest edge case being somebody having a suspiciously connected username. Does it really stretch as far as "does not seem to exist, therefore the editor must have made it up"? The user could plausibly have misremembered the name of a cocktail, or been served a known cocktail under a new name. (I did search around to see if there were any likely candidates for either, but didn't find anything.) --McGeddon (talk) 19:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi McGeddon. The A11 policy does not mention "explicitly claims" but notes "plainly indicates". In other words, a plain reading should indicate... The policy does not restrict itself to invention. It mentions discovery too, by the author or by someone close to them. The policy also links to Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day, which explicitly mentions a "pub" as being one of the possible places such things can come about. You have a much wider experience in this area than I have. As much as I can interpret, that the author has created a term and a usage that does not have even one search link on Google, could mean that the author is alluding to something they've made up – or they are promoting a hoax. And the fact is, there is no credible claim of significant notability that the author has placed. You advise me on how this should be handled. Thanks for discussing. Lourdes (talk) 19:39, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I've always read the "plainly indicates" as meaning that a neutral reader would agree from a plain reading of the article (with no further research beyond perhaps the username of the creator) that the subject was clearly coined by the writer. It's "an article which plainly indicates" - the article itself has to do the indication, and anything that relies on external research (whether it's "no Google results" or "username is an anagram of a pseudonym of the cousin of a writer who admitted on a radio show that he invented Burining Toe Vodka on the night of the murder") should be discussed somewhere before we toss it out.
Mileage may vary, though, I've never really seen these distinctions picked apart anywhere. --McGeddon (talk) 20:50, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
McGeddon thanks for your clarification. If these are the clarifications that represent the established A11 application, then this should be mentioned clearly in the A11 policy page. In the meanwhile, I have nominated the article at the AFD. Once I get time, I'll put up a note for clarification on the A11 at the appropriate page to ensure that the policy is represented appropriately. Thanks for giving so much time for the clarifications. Lourdes (talk) 05:58, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Oh, this is just my personal take on what A11 means, I don't intend to speak on behalf of any kind of consensus. It looks like there's been some related discussion in the past here, for what it's worth. --McGeddon (talk) 09:54, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for the inputs. And at the AFD too. 03:54, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
No problem! And feel free to rename this section however you like, it was just a joke based on the article title typo. --McGeddon (talk) 09:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)


If you find time for it please take a look at the article about Margareta Hallin that I have created. Any help is appreciated.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Yo! Will! Lourdes (talk) 07:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


I see the effort which you are part as well, to hide truth and show only one side in war. Probably you work for someone because your actions are illogical. Why you don't delete articles like Foca massacre, Visegrad massacres, Prijedor massacre etc. I will never give up to write articles with sources. Knightserbia (talk) 21:05, 12 March 2016 (UTC) Knightserbia

You mistake my efforts Kinghtserbia. I had marked your article for deletion because of the fact that I felt you were writing about the Bosnian War and much was already written in the Bosnian War article. Another administrator redirected the article, which led me to request for a deletion of the redirect as the title of your article, in my belief, is not adhering to Wikipedia WP:NPOV policy. I hope this answers what you are asking. Lourdes (talk) 07:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

V Prabhakaran[edit]

On the Velupillai Prabhakaran page there were two death dates mentioned May 18 and May 19. The reference 16, BBC report was written on May 18th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aruppillai (talkcontribs) 22:42, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

I will check that out. Than you for pointing that out. Lourdes (talk) 07:43, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Cottalango Leon[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 00:01, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

about 2015 Sejong and Hwaseong shootings[edit]

Hi, I got around to revising the 2015 Sejong and Hwaseong shootings article, per its AFD, but I am not sure how to characterize news coverage of the incidents and the gun control measure that it led to. Was the point that there was wide coverage in South Korea (all major news organizations there) or internationally or both? Your attention to the article would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, if you can help. Otherwise, hope you're doing well. You were very good-natured in that AFD. Cheers, --doncram 02:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Edmund Wainwright[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Edmund Wainwright[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Cottalango Leon[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Cottalango Leon[edit]

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Italicization discussion request[edit]

If I turn my question at MOS into an RFC, would you mind if I removed your comment there? I would of course point out the helpdesk discussion, but leaving your comment there seems like it would discourage participation at the MOS Talk since it might be read as, “Go over there instead.” Won’t touch it without your say-so, though. — (talk) 06:38, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

  • No problems. Go ahead and feel free to remove. Lourdes (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Sour Sally (New)[edit]

Sorry, that's my new article in wiki. Didn't know wiki can react so fast. I am trying to add the founder. he is named Donny Pramono — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bomber950 (talkcontribs) 15:17, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

You've done a good job on adding the name. Just get the English flow correct in the article and you're good to go. Lourdes (talk) 19:44, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rahul Thakkar[edit]

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Brendan Dassey[edit]

Thank you very much for your assistance , seriously so appreciated!

I have been watching the video tutorials on citations and when I went in this evening I was astounded.

Many thanks

Tracy Symonds-Keogh (talk) 11:17, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


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Thanks for the criticism, I've tried to explain my actions in a reply. Hope that clears anything up. Anarchyte (work | talk) 12:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


Just to let you know (if you don't already) the Ed. concerned asked for assistance at the help desk. Eagleash (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Thanks for leaving this note too. Lourdes (talk) 17:31, 7 June 2016 (UTC)


Other than User:Benshida's original hoax article, is there anything to link the nickname Benshida to the eventual target of the redirects Francis Benjamin? None of the 4 links given in the article support its use. I feel, as a result of all your corrections, and the resulting redirects, it ought to be G6'd. Regards, for (;;) (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Done. Thanks, for (;;) (talk) 11:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Another museum infobox question[edit]

You helped me with my earlier question about adding CEO to the museum infobox, so I thought that I'd ask you about this one. I've run across several articles that put 'admission=free' in their infobox, and it's causing an unsupported parameter warning. Is this a reasonable thing to add to the template? Thanks, Leschnei (talk) 21:00, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Here's an example, if you want one, Hafnarborg. Leschnei (talk) 21:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Thinking about this some more, maybe admission shouldn't be added, since it tends to be outdated quickly. Kind of like 'telephone' which I've also seen, Khon Kaen National Museum. Leschnei (talk) 21:07, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Leschnei I guess you're right. If you want my assistance on anything else in the future, don't hesitate to leave a note. Lourdes (talk) 11:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
The question I'm left with is what to do with the unsupported parameters. Things like 'admission' could be moved to the text, but what about items like 'image_size'? Should they just be removed or should we leave them and ignore the big ugly warning at the top of the page? Thanks for your help, Leschnei (talk) 12:06, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
We should remove them. Inboxes tend to generally control image sizes themselves. Articles should be free of warning messages :) Lourdes (talk) 12:12, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
Great, thanks again. Leschnei (talk) 13:27, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rahul Thakkar[edit]

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Is there a way to request to see the previous deleted page so it can be rewritten to meet the policies and guidelines? Missbee4 (talk) 04:32, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for explaining the reason that my edit was deleted. I missed the closing by 8 minutes! Not a problem at all. One more comment on the Rfa would not have made a difference. How courteous you are! I'm coming back with a barnstar-especially if there is one for graciousness. The Very Best of Regards,

Barbara (WVS) (talk) 10:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
You're welcome. Lourdes (talk) 10:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rahul Thakkar[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for your help on the help desk, Xander. Julie Hamill (talk) 12:48, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you Julie Hamill. Do remember that the article can be deleted if editors do not consider your biography notable. Thanks. Lourdes (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Port Phillip v Van Diemen's Land, 1851[edit]

Sorry for the delay in replying, I'm a little busy at the moment. I see the FAC is now closed, but I'm more than happy to help if I can. It might take me a few days, but I'll start to have a look; it will probably be easier if I copy-edit directly if necessary, and I'll post any queries onto the article talk page. Sarastro1 (talk) 18:04, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

  • That will be wonderful . Whenever you can edit directly onto the article, please do go ahead. Your assistance would be invaluable. Thank you so much for chipping in, whenever you can. Lourdes 18:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Y So Serious: Speedy Deletion Template[edit]

Hi Xender,

This is my first article and not sure what am I doing wrong. I did read the article on writing first article and tried my best to write the article as per guidelines. If the article can be corrected then I will do so, else I will delete the article. Request you to provide some help in this regard. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitinbadkar (talkcontribs) 09:30, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Hello Nitinbadkar. Please read the guideline Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Wikipedia can have only notable organisations and not others. Read the guideline first. In summary, it would tell you to prove notability of the organisation by citing reliable sources independent of the organisation which have covered the organisation (for example, if you have news reports which have covered the company in-depth, put them within the article using citaitons|). Do you need any other help? Do not hesitate to ask. Lourdes 09:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Best Reference Books List for IBPS PO, Clerk & SO Online Exams -Speedy deletion[edit]

Adijain.Studycopter (talk) 08:33, 13 July 2016 (UTC) Hi Lourde s, I guess the flag has been raised due to the external links which i have removed now. Please review the page.If the issue is still there, please guide me what to do as i am a newcomer to Wikipedia. Thank you.

Adijain.Studycopter hello. I am replying on the talk page of the article. Thanks. Lourdes 08:46, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lourdes, Please reply me on talk page of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adijain.Studycopter (talkcontribs) 09:11, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Hi Lourdes, one final message sent to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adijain.Studycopter (talkcontribs) 09:38, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Completed. Could you please paste here how to get a new user name. the two ways. Registering a new name i know. The second method i want to know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adijain.Studycopter (talkcontribs) 09:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

About Q5/Q9 of that RfA (applying 30-500 as admin action)[edit]

In my view, that is a bit of a loaded question. On the surface it is 100% legit and fair. However, there is quite a bit of community drama around this new restriction (in case you did not know, see e.g. here). I stayed away of the kitchen, but I have felt the heat between the "good, that is a useful intermediary PP step between autoconfirmed and full protection, let's go and use this" camp and the "ArbCom has opened the Pandora box and I would rather admins use full protection / no protection at all" camp.

I feel that no matter how the candidate answers this, they are bound to alienate a few regulars. Or maybe the objective was precisely to see if they lurk enough around the community noticeboards to smell a trap and give an evasive answer? TigraanClick here to contact me 15:46, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Tigraan, how lovely to see you here. Damn you're right; it's a loaded question, as are situations admins face. Unfortunately, the answer to the question (5) is wrong (in my opinion) and doesn't display the thinking that I expected. It's unfortunate that the candidate could choose to invoke IAR, almost flippantly it seems. An administrator should know when to, and most importantly when not to, pull the trigger... Nevertheless, he's a model editor, as I've mentioned on the Rfa. And I expect him to learn as he goes. Lourdes 17:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
  • And now, Jo-Jo has done a reverse, answering #9 with aplomb and showing his maturity to consider alternative answers. So I guess all's well that's answered well. Lourdes 02:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I completely agree with that answer, but I fear people might oppose just because he took the other side in the 300-500 dispute (no matter how well-reasoned it is, and no matter that an existing admin would never ever get desysopped for that, even if doing so on a regular basis).
Just to clarify, I am not against trick questions in themselves - for instance "user X has done such and such actions of vandalism, user Y such and such, user Z this and that, who do you block and for how long" leaving out important information such as user warnings - but that particular one has no good answer now (it might have one in a year). TigraanClick here to contact me 09:36, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


helpful insight with a pun

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Thank you for quality articles such as Port Phillip v Van Diemen's Land, 1851, Rahul Thakkar and William Walker (Australian cricketer), for your activity at the help desk and promoting its idea, for notifying users of unconstructive editing, for insight with a pun, - Lourdes, you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Gerda. This is unexpected. It's very sweet of you. Thank you. Lourdes 16:50, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
You have probably no idea how much you spoke my mind ;) - compare, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Wow. You're right. But there's a critical difference, that Rob doesn't have any past history with Wikipedia :):) Nevertheless, you're so right on the essence of the meaning. Thank you. Lourdes 00:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
The image and message that speak my mind and soul were created for another user, actually the photographer of the Yogo sapphire, see the small print below. Very soon I used it for the creator, even successfully so, - for a while. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. PumpkinSky is lucky to have such a beautiful memento. Lourdes 08:43, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Still sad, that he was unblocked after months and wrote the sapphire article and Kafka, only to be frustrated about a failed RfA (which was termed an attack page) and Grace Sherwood not returned to the Main page, on top of unfairness in general. - He told me I was awesome in 2010 (Rlevse then), and I remember the feeling. He ran the prize for years, and even passed a few as PumpkinSky. - I mused about the cabal of the outcasts recently, which perhaps needs to change the label ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, if it's known as QAI, then there's no need to continue the reference to cabal of outcasts :) Labels really don't matter. If you're having fun interacting with people, and are able to handle the putdown comments that come your way, then it's cool going I guess. Will send you a song one of these days that I wrote. You'll like it. Lourdes 10:07, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Lovely! - The reference is of course still adequate, with two founding members not active because we didn't treat them well, but I made up my mind to stay, fairness or rather often not, in 2012, - see a red cat on my user page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:17, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I actually don't see a red cat. Where is it? Lourdes 15:14, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
red category, bottom, 2 of them, nothing compared to Floq (where I found one), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Oh yes. Category. Red means a lotta things to me :D Lourdes 16:16, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
... and cats to me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:19, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


Think you will like this kind of ping: [[User:BUNNYBUNNY|{{Zwsp}}]] :) Sam Sailor Talk! 20:18, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks :) Lourdes 03:13, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

The Crow Award![edit]

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Crow has given you The Official Crow Award! I was perusing the current RFA, reading all the supports and opposes, and your participation struck me as impressive: even though you were (at the time) opposing, you still defended the candidate from other opposes that seemed unfair or grounded in incorrect assumptions. To me that shows integrity, so I just wanted to tip my proverbial hat! CrowCaw 18:27, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Crow, that is very sweet of you. And that is such a uniquely designed award. I've seen it for the first time. Thank you. I think I'll have to have many years of consistent behavior under my belt to qualify on integrity. I also think part of the reason I changed my oppose was because of the manner in which the other opposers were criticizing Vandamonde's editorial contributions. But that's a discussion for another day. Today, it's the Crow award. Yay! And thanks again! A drink on me when you're around next. Lourdes 01:43, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Ayrton Senna[edit]

He drove cars, didn't he? Think I've heard of him. :-) (I'm not much of a sports person - I'm doing well to recognize that there's a difference between Formula 1, NASCAR, and local highway driving.)

Congratulations - I haven't managed any featured content yet. Something for me to aspire to, one of these days...

Keep up the good work, and happy editing! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:06, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your sweet words. Will see you around. Lourdes 14:31, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Featured list[edit]

Many congratulations. You are clearly an exceptionally skillful and hardworking editor and a very courteous and fair-minded individual. Well done. Johnlp (talk) 20:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Johnlp, I've learnt with considerable help from editors like you, that's why a handful are on my thoughts (including you) when I achieve something here. Thanks. Lourdes 00:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Audra Mari (2nd nomination)[edit]

Wondering what your rationale for relisting Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Audra Mari (2nd nomination) is given 3 keep votes and no delete votes? Is there a threshold of number of votes it needs? --- PageantUpdater (talk) 22:11, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

PageantUpdater hello. Thanks for dropping in. Let me first share with you what I think of the article. I think the article is on its way to pass GNG easily. Sources like this which go into the subject's background, are very good. There is a significant probability of multiple such sources coming up. So yes, my personal option is to keep the article.
Now to the Afd. The first keep editor mentions Vanity Fair and Phillstar as reliable sources (and claims that therefore the article passes GNG). The Vanity Fair article has the following mention about the subject: "Miss North Dakota, Audra Mari, plays hockey and says her life struggles include her car getting egged by bullies during high school. That’s it? Her high-school bullies were the same as the ones Drew Barrymore dealt with in Never Been Kissed. #TheStruggleIsNotReal." And the Philtstar reference had the following: "Audra Mari (left), a 5’10” 22-year-old Fil-Am from North Dakota, was crowned 2016 Miss World America July 8 in Maryland, USA, beating 27 other finalists. She will represent the USA in the 2016 Miss World to be held in Washington, D.C. in December. Regning queen is Mireia Lalaguna Royo of Spain. Audra is a Dean’s List student at the North Dakota State University, taking up Public Relations and Communications. In 2011, she was crowned Miss North Dakota Teen USA and first runner-up in the national pageant. In 2014, she was crowned Miss North Dakota USA and placed first runner-up in the 2014 Miss USA pageant." Both are insignificant newsy mentions and if the editor has based his GNG analysis on the same, then the editor's !vote is bound to be discounted despite the editor mentioning that the subject won a national competition (that's not enough for a keep !vote; perhaps it would have been better if the editor had listed down two significant coverages in support of his GNG assertion).
Given that, I think it's just a matter of interpretation of the nominator's delete assertion and your and another editor's keep assertion, leading me to relist the Afd. Hope that sounds good to you. Do ask for any other clarification, if you want. Ciao. Lourdes 02:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. --- PageantUpdater (talk) 16:22, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
I think this was a bad close. I think 70-80% of admins would have closed that as keep. pbp 14:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Sure. You probably meant bad re-list. I can't say whether admins would have closed this as keep; I can say that if the particular Afd !voter continues to refer to newsy articles to support GNG claims, such !votes will regularly keep getting discounted at Afds by experienced administrators. You should probably sound the particular editor off about this viewpoint; that would be more helpful. In any case, now that you have a multiplicity of delete !votes, I suspect the next week too would see another re-list. I hope to assist you in any other clarification, if there is. Lourdes 14:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Please Stop[edit]


I don't know who you are but I am not trying to be a bad person to you or Magnolia677. Please stop threatening me. I was always assuming good faith. Those articles were around for 15 minutes before I added them for speedy deletion. You have speedy deleted articles within minutes. Should I report you to ANI for that? Please stop.

I am sure you are nice. I don't appreciate being threatened. If you want to have a civil discussion I am all for it.

Thanks JLOPO (talk) 07:47, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi JLOPO. I am continuing the discussion on your page as that is the main thread. Lourdes 07:48, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia email re NewspaperArchive signup[edit]

Hello, Lourdes. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
HazelAB (talk) 18:45, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks HazelAB. Lourdes 01:49, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library: Emerald[edit]

You should have received an email a few days ago, providing a link for completing the Wikipedia:Emerald access that you requested. However, you don't appear to have completed the form yet, so this message is to check whether there is any communication breakdown? AllyD (talk) 11:37, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi AllyD. No, not at all. No communications breakdown. I had actually kept this weekend aside for making all the registrations (as I had applied for a few other repositories too). I hope that's not a problem. Thank you so much for checking back on me. Lourdes 15:35, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


[1] thank you for pointing it out I was creating archive pages for the first time yesterday, sorry.... and thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


You should have received an email about Edinburgh access - if you're still interested, could you please complete the linked form? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

  • Done Nikkimaria. Just a note. I was also hoping to get the access to JSTOR too (I've already left a note on the page). It would be wonderful as their journals are also very insightful. Thanks much for the message. Lourdes 23:54, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately that partnership is pending renewal so it's going to be at least a little while longer before new accounts can be handed out there. For the interim, not sure if you're aware, but they have a limited free-reading program, plus of course you can request individual articles at WP:RX. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I'll keep that in mind and hope the partnership is renewed. You have always been a great help. Thanks. Lourdes 00:07, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library[edit]

Hi Lourdes, Could you please let me know if you still want access to the IMF and World Bank Wikipedia accounts? -- haminoon (talk) 22:08, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Hello Haminoon. I've sent the form. Thanks so much for the access. It would be really helpful. Lourdes 23:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Mary Foulke Morrisson[edit]

You closed this as keep at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Foulke Morrisson but the template appears to have been inadvertently left behind on the article page. I'd delete it myself but anon IP's apparently can't. Thanks in advance for taking care of this. (talk) 16:03, 30 September 2016 (UTC) hello and thanks. I have corrected the same. The script malfunctioned because of an image inserted between the Afd notice and the article note. Any which way, done. And thanks once more. Lourdes 18:26, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Bhalchandra Dattatray Mondhe[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 3 October 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bhalchandra Dattatray Mondhe, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that at age 78, Bhalchandra Dattatray Mondhe was awarded the Padma Shri for his lifetime work in photography? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bhalchandra Dattatray Mondhe. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Bhalchandra Dattatray Mondhe), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 03:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Recent redirect creations[edit]

I see you have recently created redirects such as Incorrect Facts and Gangnam Facts etc. but most of them seem to be unconstructive. I have list Incorrect Facts for speedy deletion according to A11. I'm sure you noticed that, so I question your action to remove it and put an unnecessary redirect (in my opinion, no offense). These two also were made by Herbie497 so I question a "coincidence" that he/she made both the articles for speedy deletion which you made to a redirect. AK (the love story) is also inappropriate according to R3 of the WP:CSD since "(the love story)" is often not used especially in Wikipedia itself, as it is an uncommon term. Please don't take this as a sign of aggression. Just curiosity going to my mind. Your welcome | Democratics Talk Be a guest 13:27, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Well first of all hello Democratics. The redirects are plausible redirects in my opinion. Yet, please feel free to revert my redirects as you may wish. If there's anything else I can help you in, please don't hesitate. Lourdes 13:30, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Reply. I am now considering the redirects. Thanks for your acknowledgement.Your welcome | Democratics Talk Be a guest 13:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

AfD Closures[edit]

Hey Lourdes! Just a heads up here that AfDs like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mia Ikumi where there is very participation, are usually closed as "No consensus with WP:NPASR". In this case for example, with the nominator arguing a delete, and two participants going for a "keep" (one was actually a weak keep), the notability isn't very clear per WP:NRVE. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:59, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deering Banjo Company and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffry Life for example should have been relisted to at least give the nominator and other participants to reply. 2 !votes are usually never enough for a clear keep. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:03, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi Lemongirl942 and welcome to my talk page :) Thanks for the note. I understand your view. You are perhaps mistaken on the following grounds (mistaken, with due respects, not with any intention to put down your note, for which I am absolutely thankful):
  • The nominator did not push a delete !vote. The actual nom statement is as follows: "Manga artist who authored on Licca-chan and illustrated on Tokyo Mew Mew. Although Koi Cupid was recently PROD'ed, is her article still worth keeping around?" The nominator is unsure.
  • After two re-lists and one keep !vote in each re-list, and the nominator or any other editor failing to provide counter argument to any of the keep comments (both based on guidelines), the way to read this Afd is perhaps not that the nom argued a delete and two participants went for keep. It is perhaps that an unsure nomination was made and both comments after three weeks of listing went for keep.
  • With respect to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Deering Banjo Company and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffry Life, perhaps you mistake the number of keep votes as being equivalent to consensus. If the keep votes are policy and guideline based and there has been absolutely no argument either by the nominator or by any other editor against the policy and guideline based keep votes, the Afd may be closed given the evident consensus.
  • Therefore, my closes remain Keep (with npasr in specific cases). At the same time, I have no prejudice against re-opening/re-listing the Afds in case you so wish. Please do tell. Hope this makes good to you? Thanks and do please ping me if you need any further clarification. Lourdes 05:08, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
A delete vote is not always obvious, AfD is not solely for deleting - often it is the only venue where article are brought to decide what to do: clear delete as not notable/redirect/merge or TNT due to the content. The strength of the arguments is important as well, in contrast to the number of arguments. I don't see any of the "keep" votes arguing a definite keep. This is a perfect candidate for no consensus. Would you be willing to change it to No Consensus? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:22, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffry Life for example, the second !vote is dubious and the third !vote actually references WP:TNT. When you say "keep. ...pending lack of opposition from the nominator or other editors to the keep comments", it is actually a candidate for relisting. Maybe I can ask another for a third opinion from Sandstein who regularly closes AfDs. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:31, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
  • As I said earlier too Lemongirl942, while I believe your view is different from mine and perhaps mistaken in interpreting the comments in the Afd and the sequence in which the comments are given (e.g. to stereotype IP votes as being dubious and assuming TNT refers to deleting, shows mistakes in understanding the basis of aspects in Afd), I am perfectly okay with you overruling my close. Please go ahead and change the Afds to whichever route you wish them to take (be closed as no consensus/re-listed). I would not have any issues in that (while I stand per my closes). Good to talk to you. Come back for anything else too. Lourdes 05:37, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you for being so gracious about it. Since I pinged Sandstein already, maybe it would be good to hear their perspective as well, before overruling any closes or relisting. I have !voted extensively on AfDs but hardly closed any, so I guess a third opinion is best here, just in case my interpretation is different from the community consensus. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, boy[edit]

Sorry about that! :$ Yoninah (talk) 18:45, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Oh please Yoninah you don't have to say sorry. It's wonderful work you are doing at the dyk desk and this is absolutely nothing. In fact, thank you for prepping up the article and for other fixes. Lourdes 01:09, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Daud Junbish[edit]

Updated DYK query.svgOn 7 October 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Daud Junbish, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the BBC's Daud Junbish is one of the few journalists in the world to have met former Taliban chief Mullah Omar? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Daud Junbish. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Daud Junbish), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Edit on First Atomic bomb Page[edit]

Hello, I just created a new page called first atomic bomb and added some information about a highly contaminated area in Rajasthan where scientists believe an Atomic bomb occurred. When I visited the page after I few minutes it showed you reviewed the page and redirected it back to Trinity test. I know that it's the first Atomic bomb but can you move the details I first typed on the First Atomic bomb page to a new page, such as First Atom bomb theory. I would appreciate your help. Thanks Wikiahelper123456789 (talk) 14:28, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Hello Wikiahelper123456789 and welcome to Wikipedia. The contents that you wrote are there in the history of the said page. You can copy those contents and use a draft page to create the relevant article. In my personal opinion, what you are writing is purely original research which cannot be verified using reliable sources. Therefore, if you create an article without sourcing the same using reliable sources, the same would get deleted very soon. Please read Wikipedia's general notability guidelines to understand what kind of articles are retained on Wikipedia. Might I encourage you to read Wikipedia:Your first article? It contains quite a few good suggestions for article creation. Hope this helps. If you have any other queries, do not hesitate to ping me. Thanks. Lourdes 21:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Gloria Allred article[edit]

Hi Lourdes, You and I have both deleted the insertions by anon User: to the Allred article. He/she continues to re-insert the material. User:Brianga has recently made the insertion more factually correct but I feel and it appears that you do also that the material does not belong. I have posted to Brianga's talk page I would appreciate your weighing in on the Allred talk page regarding this issue Gaas99 (talk) 03:13, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Gaas99 hello. Thanks for your message. Why don't you post the issue on the talk page of the article? While I have reverted the addition for now, it would be better to see what is the consensus of editors frequenting the said page. Lourdes 12:31, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi, There is a discussion on the Allred talk page. Your input would be welcome. Gaas99 (talk) 02:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Thanks for the note. I see discussions are going on nicely. I'll drop in if required. See you around. Lourdes 04:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Thank you for helping me. I love your attitude to new editors.Vroy0001 (talk) 01:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. Lourdes 04:13, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Just a quick invite if you're free[edit]

Hi Lourdes. I know you're very busy; but I really trust you as an editor. I'm not getting many eyes here: Simple inclusion of a notable recurring character Regardless the outcome, might you just take a quick glance before it gets archived? Thank you so much in advance! (I don't think I tagged it correctly, but it's there) Maineartists (talk) 17:57, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi Maineartists, thanks for the invite. I am a bit tied up the coming few days and might not be able to do justice to following up discussions, if I were to comment. I hope that is not a problem with you. Thanks. Lourdes 09:26, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Lourdes I like to do 2 things on WP: create & learn. Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, I'd still love for you to take a look and even comment. Thank you for your time and attention. Best, Maineartists (talk) 14:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg Your calm and reasonable demeanor, as evidenced on this talk page and in other areas, is an asset to Wikipedia, and is appreciated. North America1000 16:13, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Northamerica1000 I am honored by the recognition. Thank you. You're one of the admins who I admire for their diligent contributions. So it's a bonus getting this from you. Thanks once more. Lourdes 09:27, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Minh Quân Phan[edit]

Knee-jerk reaction to seeing a mix of comments, until I re-read and saw the point you were making. MBisanz talk 11:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

  • MBisanz thank you. You're doing great work anyway. So wouldn't have worried even if you hadn't closed the Afd after my comment. I trust your judgement completely. Lourdes 12:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

Hello, Lourdes. Please check your email; you've got mail! The subject is Oxford University Press - Journals Stream.
Message added 05:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Your account is now active please refer to the email for log-in instructions. --Cameron11598 (Talk) 05:45, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Help desk[edit]

Thanks for the award. Not sure how deserved it is though! Regards, Eagleash (talk) 18:09, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Oh very well deserved Eagleash. The patience with which you assist editors is so invaluable. Thank you for the efforts. Lourdes 01:56, 17 November 2016 (UTC)


Hi Lourdes-is there a way to connect with a credible editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:1102:5F00:6104:44C8:628A:78DC (talk) 05:50, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

  • You could write at WP:Help desk with any query. There are many credible editors there. Lourdes 07:38, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thanks for making a proposal about Wikipedia:Non-admin closure. It is unusual to see a fairly new user like you take such an interest in policy, and I appreciate your enthusiasm and patience for Wikipedia's administrative process. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:58, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you Bluerasberry. Welcome to my talk page and I love the blue in your signature, both figuratively and literally. I actually don't take a lot of interest in changing policy and guidelines, but just in learning them. This was just a result of realizing that while so many non-admins, including me, use this while closing Afds, it remains but an essay. Whether it becomes a guideline/policy or not, I'm glad you found my contribution notice worthy :) Cheers to that and a penny for you for dropping in :) See you around. Lourdes 02:33, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


Not sure why you messaged me, I made no changes and have no idea what your are talking about...

W — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Oh then don't worry about it. Must be someone sharing your IP who did that change, which I had to undo. Cheers. Lourdes 13:54, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


Lourdes, I removed your advertisement for RFC on lists being promoted as GAs from WT:RFA - it really seems unrelated to the process of selecting administrators. If you disagree please feel free to revert - but I suggest you add a statement of how it pertains to the RFA process. — xaosflux Talk 12:54, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Xaosflux, no worries. I just thought that as a lot of administrators frequent the rfa talk page, it would be good to inform them of a possible area where they might be interested. There's no need to replace the content. Good to see you around. Lourdes 13:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't normally update it, but Template:Centralized discussion gets a LOT of visibility - check that page and its talk for getting an item added there. — xaosflux Talk 14:08, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Will check it out. Thanks for the note. Lourdes 15:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
Xaosflux, hi again. Added the note. It's a good template; I've noted it down for future use. Lourdes 00:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Why was my page deleted?[edit]

Hi, I recently created a page for my company, Build Your Tomorrow, and I was deleted by you I believe. Why did you deleted the page? And what do I need to do so that you don't delete future content that I create. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:8011:2F00:88A3:2745:5A63:DF20 (talk) 18:17, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Hello. Please read ORG, a notability guideline for organizations - in other words, it describes what kind of companies does Wikipedia feature. Feel free to ask me for any assistance. Thanks. Lourdes 18:22, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Your investigations[edit]

I have mixed feelings about the outcome of the RFA, but I am confident about the positive impression that your investigations left on me. Thanks! Caballero/Historiador 11:08, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Doesn't give me pleasure actually to write all that...especially in a person's Rfa. Lourdes 11:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

I've poured nearly 15 years of my life into this project. Yet to many editors, I'm a villain. What's the point? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

@Paul Benjamin Austin: You're no villain and no one is demonizing you. Adminship here on en-wp has become very sophisticated and technical; RfA has become a very tight examination and very political. You've been out of that loop and this is the result. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree with Chris. I've left a message on your talk page Paul. Just relax and enjoy Wikipedia in the multiple areas that there are. Rfa is nothing to aspire for. Lourdes 16:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
I get stressed easily. Doesn't help that we have editors like User:TheLongTone who AfD'd several of my crime related articles purely because he didn't want en wp to cover murders and disappearances. Maybe i should mend my ways. Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 16:20, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Get real. I afd the articles because they were ghoulish trivia.TheLongTone (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Stalking my edits again? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 16:26, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
Paul, if you're going to ping him, he is expected to respond. That is not stalking. Anyway, I think this is perhaps not the place to discuss this. Cheers to you all and see you around. Lourdes 16:38, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

NPR scripts[edit]

Hi Ive added your message to the draft December newsletter. However, I've installed them , cleared my cache, and I can't see anything new anywhere. Please answer on my talk page. Thanks Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Resolved: Lourdes 05:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

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Merry Christmas Lourdes!!
Hi Lourdes, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,

Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia! Face-smile.svg

   –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 21:19, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • That's lovely of you. Merry Christmas to you and the family too. Love. Lourdes 03:27, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a wonderful time of the year![edit]

Merry Christmas tree worm.jpg

Christmas tree worms live under the sea...they hide in their shells when they see me,
So with camera in hand I captured a few, and decorated them to share with you. Face-grin.svg
Atsme📞📧 15:29, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi Atsme, a most intellectual wish :D Thank you. Love, wishes and the best of times to you for Christmas and the new year up ahead. Lourdes 16:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Reference letter[edit]


Happy holiday. Sorry to bother you, but the deadline to submit my applications is coming up on my end. It has been a week since you first notified Wales and Walsh on their talk pages, so I wonder if you have some free times to draft me a simple reference letter for works done on Wikipedia? It doesn't have to be either long or detailed. I really appreciate it,

Ueutyi (talk) 06:12, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Sure. How would you want it? By email or on my professional letterhead. Lourdes 07:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
By email is good. Do you mind posting an email address so I can send you the invitation link? Thanks a lot. Ueutyi (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm sending you an email from my email address today. Thanks. Lourdes 02:28, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Ueutyi (talk) 02:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
I sent the link to the new email that you gave me. Thanks for the effort.Ueutyi (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
  •  Done I've submitted the reco. Best wishes. Lourdes 07:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Question 5[edit]

Whoops. Have just re-read your question and realised that I haven't exactly answered what you asked. I looked for "minor" in question 5, but you wanted that aspect answered in question 6. What you wanted was "reverts". Shall I have another go at that? It'll be at least half a day before I get to it, though, as we are about to start the long road trip home, and six months of contributions is a lot to look through (well, all I have to find are five examples, which should be less work than the exercise that I've just gone through). Schwede66 20:29, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Don't worry about it. Just let it be. Wishes for the new year and lots of love. Lourdes 03:08, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. All the best for 2017 to you, too. Got home safely. Schwede66 08:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Lourdes![edit]

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

  • Love to get wishes, as many :D Happy new year to you and family. Have the best of times this year. Love. Lourdes 14:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Lourdes[edit]

Charles R. Knight New Years's Card.jpg
  • What a lovely work!!!! I didn't have an idea about this artiste. It's lovely to be able to appreciate this painting over a glass of wine :) Thank you Sam and new year wishes to you and family too. Love. Lourdes 08:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Mike1901 RfA questions[edit]

Hi, Lourdes. I thought I'd drop you a note regarding your question 7 and follow-up questions on Mike1901's RfA. The specific issue is probably moot since the candidate has withdrawn—I hope for unrelated reasons—and I appreciate your interest in making sure that RfA candidates are qualified and the process is above-board. However, for what it is worth, your questions about e-mails struck me as unusually intrusive. Just mentioning it for your consideration on the off-chance that a similar situation arises another time. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad hello. Appreciate your viewpoint. Will keep this in mind. If you could confirm, which parts of the actual question (statements per se) were intrusive? Your response will assist me in moderating future questions. Before you go, let me also add that I absolutely admire your support for editors around Wikipedia; it's a model perhaps many editors, including me, should follow. Thanks. Lourdes 16:52, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
In my view, in the absence of something truly unusual, an RfA candidate is best judged on the basis of his or her work and participation on-wiki. In this case, the relevant inquiry also involved his OTRS work, which is off-wiki but obviously wiki-related, and which is admittedly harder to evaluate than someone whose participation is purely on-wiki. But I just didn't understand why e-mails convincing the candidate to run or addressing the logistics of the nomination, etc., were very relevant or important enough to be the subject of a series of questions. Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I too would like to know this - as a direct subject of your questioning I feel obliged to try to clarify any concerns you may have. To me, the question seemed to read as though some misconduct had taken place - now obviously the written word can be misinterpreted and I could be entirely incorrect (and if so, I apologise) but if you genuinely believe either Mike, Rob or myself have acted out of turn then I would be keen to know. Many thanks -- samtar talk or stalk 20:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Newyorkbrad hi again. While I explicitly told the candidate that I didn't need any emails (I only asked for the events and a clarification of his stand of communicating on email), I understand your viewpoint. I think the excess queries resulted out of a statement of Mike1901, which I found incongruous rather than anything to do with email. Nevertheless, I've noted your point and will keep it in mind. Thanks for coming down, taking the time out and discussing this. It's a pleasure to understand your point of view. Thanks. Lourdes 02:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Sam, you have not acted wrongly. I perfectly accept the nom's prerogative in wishing to know the answer of the candidate in advance before putting in his nom. Your nomination statement pointed to the fact that you knew the answers of the candidate while placing your nom. That's absolutely alright and should be done too in an Rfa. I found the response of Mike tending to be false. He needn't have tried to hide a fact as simple as you knowing his answers before he put them there. That's not what I expect an admin candidate to do. I might be wrong in reading this (Mike's talk page discussions are very mature and are not characteristic of my Rfa impression of him); additionally, you are a most supportive admin (and therefore Mike may have been absolutely truthful in giving the statement). To me, it's a false statement. That's about it. All he needed to have said was that he prepared the answers on his own, discussed them with you, and placed them there. Period. Let me repeat; I might be absolutely wrong in this analysis. If so, my apologies. If not, let's have a beer with mike and rob next time I'm performing in your town (with mike paying for all of us). Lourdes 02:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

I have seen Lourdes ask a few prickly questions on RfAs recently, but I don't really have a problem with them; I have done just the same myself over the years, after all. On at least two of my own nominations, he has brought up diffs that require a satisfactory explanation and context, and once that has been supplied, he !votes support and all is well. I know as a nominator, it can be galling to see your own judgement of a candidate be questioned, and I'm perhaps fortunate that in the case where Lourdes has asked these sort of questions, it was things I knew could be explained well by the candidate. However, in this specific case I think Lourdes made a mountain out of a molehill and enquired about something that doesn't really tell anyone whether or not Mike is a good fit as an administrator. Keep the questions focused on content and behaviour that the candidate has recently done, and there'll be no issues. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure. And of course, good to see you here. Lourdes 17:42, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
And Ritchie333, not a he, but she :) Lourdes 17:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Ta for that[edit]

Yup seems a reasonable request - I can understand the concern of a too speedy speedy - it is when the one liners sit there like that for a while... what is amazing is the speed of the zaps after a review and csd nom - hard to tell where its coming from - have to duck for cover... Thanks again and cheers JarrahTree 14:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

and sheesh - smells of paid editing - [2] - but hey - JarrahTree 14:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the considerate response. Cheers. Lourdes 14:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
It has been good to have got some feedback on the speedy area - really is - the important thing in my opinion is the welcome pages - whether they get read or understood is beyond our control - but if welcomes are there - half the battle in that there is info, if something gets zapped forthwith... JarrahTree 15:07, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
And interestingly the issue is a contemporary one as well - JarrahTree 15:09, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

New Page Review - newsletter No.2[edit]

Hello Lourdes,
Wikipedia New page reviewer.svg
A HUGE backlog

We now have 721 New Page Reviewers!
Most of us requested the user right at PERM, expressing a wish to be able to do something about the huge backlog, but the chart on the right does not demonstrate any changes to the pre-user-right levels of October.

Hitting 17,000 soon

The backlog is still steadily growing at a rate of 150 a day or 4,650 a month. Only 20 reviews a day by each reviewer over the next few days would bring the backlog down to a managable level and the daily input can then be processed by each reviewer doing only 2 or 3 reviews a day - that's about 5 minutes work!
It didn't work in time to relax for the Xmas/New Year holidays. Let's see if we can achieve our goal before Easter, otherwise by Thanksgiving it will be closer to 70,000.

Second set of eyes

Remember that we are the only guardians of quality of new articles, we alone have to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged by non-Reviewer patrollers and that new authors are not being bitten.


This is even more important and extra vigilance is required considering Orangemoody, and

  1. this very recent case of paid advertising by a Reviewer resulting in a community ban.
  2. this case in January of paid advertising by a Reviewer, also resulting in a community ban.
  3. This Reviewer is indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry.

Coordinator election[edit]

Kudpung is stepping down after 6 years as unofficial coordinator of New Page Patrolling/Reviewing. There is enough work for two people and two coords are now required. Details are at NPR Coordinators; nominate someone or nominate yourself. Date for the actual suffrage will be published later.

Discuss this newsletter here. If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from the mailing list MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:11, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Me[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Me has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 21:46, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Replied. Thanks. Lourdes 02:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations. –FrB.TG (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Once again, thanks so much FrB.TG. Lourdes 18:16, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Lourdes, I hope you are well. The {{db-person}} tagging of the second incarnation of Seneed was spot on. As I had taken part in the AfD, I had the title on my watchlist, and G4 was obvious. But there is a way to spot potential G4 candidates easier at NPP even if you have never seen the article title before: add {{subst:js|User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js}} to your common.js or your skin script file, save and bypass your browser cache. For an example go to Emil Nielsen where, to the right of the article title, you see the blue prev dels and prev AfDs links when the script has been been loaded.
On topic: for text snippets many of us get by with a "junk box" (ex. or ex.), but Pathoschild has a script on Meta, TemplateScript, that is very versatile and might be worth looking into. Installing it in your global.js page and adding a template like this:
			category: 'New users',
			name: 'My Me template', 
			tooltip: '',
			template: ' Do please feel free to [[wp:ping|ping]] or [[User talk:Lourdes|chat me up]] if you need any clarification or support. ~~~ ~~~~~', 
			position: 'cursor', 
			editSummary: '', 
			forNamespaces: '3' 
would do the job of Template:Me. Notice that I changed [[Special:MyTalk|chat me up]] to simply [[User talk:Lourdes|chat me up]]. Special:MyTalk sends us to our own talk page, and using it here - maybe as {{subst:Me}} - does not work as intended. Try clicking the link from your alt. account. For communal templates [[User talk:{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>REVISIONUSER}}|chat me up]] would have had the wanted effect. Best, — Sam Sailor 11:48, 30 January 2017 (UTC) (talk page watcher)
  • Wow Sam. Thanks for all the tips and tricks. Now all that is left is a treat :) I'll check out the scripts. Great to see you drop in. Lourdes 17:31, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Sam, just checked out the writ keeper thingi. Works well. Thanks. Lourdes 05:26, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail from the Wikipedia Library[edit]

Hello, Lourdes. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.{{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 04:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


Looks like you got your own bot going, well done! Am I right in thinking that you've got TFA covered now? Sorry I've been so caught up in work. Cheers, --joe deckertalk 04:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Joe, yes the bot is going on fine. But I would really prefer your bot taking up WP:TFA Title; and I would shut down my bot when that happens. Thanks for checking. Lourdes 07:10, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
    • Great! I'll file the request in a few minutes. Thanks again for your patience and help! --joe deckertalk 02:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
      • Wow, thanks. Lourdes 02:08, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
        • Oh, thank you! If (okay, when) this gets approved, any particular time of day you'd like it to do its thing? --joe deckertalk 02:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
      • Joe, around 15 minutes post midnight UTC would be great. Thanks. Lourdes 02:25, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
        • Roger wilco! --joe deckertalk 02:45, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
          • So, we're approved, and tried the script, maybe it does something, and added it to crontab for what I believe is 00:15 UTC. I know that sometimes the tool labs server ends up stalling for a bit, but the bot will retry. We've missed today's window, but if you could just keep an eye out tomorrow or the next day and let me know if it seems to be working, I'd appreciate it. :) Thanks! --joe deckertalk 03:14, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
            • Yes, will do that Joe. Thanks so much. Lourdes 03:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
              • Hi again Joe, the page WP:TFA Title has not got forcelink purged till now. So I'm going ahead and manually purging it for now. Thanks. Lourdes 06:53, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
                • Thanks! I think I see what happened there, and have corrected, sorry for the extra loop. :( --joe deckertalk 15:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
                  • No problems. Thanks. Lourdes 17:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
                    • It'll be right eventually, one way or another :) --joe deckertalk 03:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
                      • Hi Joe, it's been working fine since the past three days. Thanks for taking this up. Lourdes 03:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
                        • Thanks, and you are most welcome! --joe deckertalk 03:58, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
                          • Quick and gentle ping Joe. The TFA Title page did not get purged today. So I've gone ahead and done the same. Thanks. Lourdes 03:37, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
                            • I'll look into it, no need for gentleness! Thanks! --joe deckertalk 04:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
                              •  :) Thanks. Lourdes 04:13, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


Lourdes, I don't think there's any easy way to say this, but I've done a quick review round your stats and I think you should be an administrator. I don't think I'm the only admin around here with that opinion either. In fact, I'd go further and say that your stats bear a strange resemblance to mine, except I had been lurking on WP for about 8 years before starting serious editing. As it's "open season" for RfAs, you may want to give this serious consideration. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:45, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Thanks Ritchie. It'll surely be an honor to contribute here in administrative capacity. I don't have any noms though, so perhaps should wait for them. Lourdes 15:49, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
I can ask around; however one immediate thought is that you likely to get a hard time if you continue to ask questions at other peoples' RfAs. Some people don't mind it (as you've probably just seen, Schwede66 has just thanked you for your questions), but I get the impression there is just too much antagonism around it right now and unless you put some clear distance between that, you're likely to attract possible pile-on opposition. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • My very good friend Ritchie333 and I collaborate actively on a highly necessary aspect of Wikipedia: recruiting appropriate candidates for adminship although I less frequently feature as one of the actual nominators - a simple vote or comment from me at the right moment in one section or another can have significantly more impact on a bid for the mop. I have recommended some reading to you already and there are two more very frequently consulted pages here and here which I also wrote that I heartily suggest will broaden your overfiew of adminship, particularly as Ritchie and I are not the first to have raised an eyebrow at your participation at RfA. Don't get me wrong, there is no inference of disruption of the kind we regularly find in the 'oppose' sections, and I'm sure that in a year or two I may even consider nominating you myself. In the meantime, do keep up your excellent content work and perfectly courteous manner of addressing issues that arise - these are what score most points at RfA. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:22, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
    • Ritchie333, Kudpung, points well taken and noted. The detailed explanations make sense and quite a bit. Thanks and warmest cheers. Lourdes 23:45, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

RFC closed[edit]

Hello Lourdes,

I have closed an RfC you initiated here. The result was no consensus, which defaulted to the status quo. Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or concerns about the close. Tazerdadog (talk) 06:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Tazerdadog, well closed. You show a lot of maturity in the assessment and in the close statement. Well done. Lourdes 06:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Page curation script[edit]

Hello, Lourdes. I need instructions on installing the Page Curation script. I'm not sure how much of the code needs to be pasted, and when I did try, got an error message. Long-time editor, but I've just recently become active using Twinkle. Thanks for any help. I'll watch your page, or reply on mine if you prefer. DonFB (talk) 10:00, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Don. It's actually simple and a four step process. While you can visit User:Lourdes/PageCuration and understand the instructions, I've listed them down for you (Please note that the script is primarily designed for use by new page reviewers):
  1. Go to your common.js page and click on edit.
  2. Add the following script to the above mentioned common.js page: importScript('User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js');
  3. Save the page, reload/refresh the browser, and you should be on your way. You should now be able to see the words Page Curation written in small fonts in the top menu (look at the top of your browser's window).
Hope this helps. Tell me if you face any issue. Thanks. Lourdes 16:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I'm still a bit uncertain about the exact text to copy and paste. But it's not urgent, and I'm keeping busy in some other areas at the moment. Regards, DonFB (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
DonFB, the text to copy and paste is given below. Lourdes 06:33, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


May I interest you in Bradley Cooper's FTC? It's not a time-consuming task as all the articles in it were recently promoted. Asking you as you participated in one its FLCs. - FrB.TG (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Done. Thank you for the note. Lourdes 20:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for your enthusiasm but please leave such changes to the people who have been working on the project for a very long time and who to know whats going on. If you wish to make such changes, please discuss them on the talk page first. The same applies to most areas of sensitive maintenance features of the site. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:23, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello Kudpung, how have you been doing? It's nice to hear from you. Which change might you be referring to? If you could provide a diff please, I could perhaps clarify. Thanks. Lourdes 06:07, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Just please see the page history. You do a lot of good work but yu are still not ready for a lot of things that only come with many years of experience. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello again Kudpung. Whenever you drop in here, I feel it's my dad talking to me :) I love him a lot and hope you don't take this analogy otherwise. I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary in the page history. Allow me to request you again to please point out the diff in the page history which you feel was mistaken. I'm sure I'll be able to provide a satisfactory explanation. Waiting for your response. Warmest regards as always, Lourdes 06:23, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi. Whenever I drop in here, I feel as if I'm talking to my daughter, but she's 47 already. Maybe to one of my teenage grandchildren perhaps. I never mean to sound patronising or condescending but those who know me (and a lot of Wikipedians have met me on 4 continents), know that my bark is worse than my bite ;) That said, I have taken another look, and I realise I had confused you with someone else entirely. Please accept my most humble apologies - your edits were perfectly correct and appropriate - thank you for making them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
No apologies required from you ever Kudpung. ❤️. Lourdes 07:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


To put it simply, I haven't applied for adminship because I previously didn't think it was necessary. Most of the tasks related to FLC/TFL can be done without the tools; deleting FLCs and changing TFL blurbs while they are running on the Main Page are two of the main tasks where tools are needed. It's only been recently that the lack of tools has hindered my work for the processes. Thank you for thinking of me as a good candidate, but I'm going to be loaded with real-life work for the next few months and it's going to be a battle for me to pitch in at all in FLC matters. Trying to answer the community's questions in a timely fashion would just be too much of a burden. My feeling is that RFA is loosening up somewhat, so we'll see if that continues in the near-future before I consider running. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:13, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Well Giants2008, I would say that if answering question in a timely fashion is the only burden, then you should go ahead for the Rfa right now. The community does not expect immediate answers in an Rfa, and with your credentials and outstanding work, I would expect that the leniency shown to you would be as outstanding, especially given the current easier climate at Rfa, which I don't know would continue or not. It would be great to nom you or/and to recommend some others/admins I know to nom you. Will await your feedback. Thanks. Lourdes 03:32, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
    • They do hate when questions aren't answered quickly. I've seen several complaints when questions aren't answered quickly enough (to them), and I'm just not going to be in a position to answer them fast enough for the next few months. The timing just isn't right for me at the moment. Giants2008 (Talk) 03:06, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
      • Sure, no problems. Lourdes 04:24, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

FL at DYK[edit]

Hey Lourdes. As I feared, the regulars are out to shoot this proposal down in flames. The problem you face is that quality is not really a consideration at DYK. The GA argument was valid (i.e. nowhere else on the main page do you get to see them) but that's just happenstance. FLs are few and far between and because the DYK regulars don't "like" them, or don't "understand" them or simply "don't know about them", they're rejecting them out of hand. The saddest thing for me is that the project is still mad keen on listing one Hawaii-based politician per set, one "no-one's ever heard of it or cares about it" insect every set, one unknown Indian politician from the 1970s every set, yet the offer of a quality list which almost certainly has relevance to the readers and provides a quality experience is of no interest to them. I'm sorry about that. Next time, nominate it before it becomes a FL, as many others do, hit those arcane expansion targets and that'll work just fine. It doesn't matter if the list itself is junk, it just has to hit the metrics so a reviewer looking for a QPQ can shout "yay" and earn another badge. It was lovely working with you and seeing how people can still take onboard advice and improve articles as a result. Keep up the good work and don't be discouraged should the DYK community let you down on this proposal. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:54, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Thank you The Rambling Man. I've taken all your points on board. Your suggestion of nominating a list before it becomes FL is also wonderful. Will consider that the next time. It has been a pleasure to work with you. I look forward to do this again soon. Thanks so much. Warmest cheers and wishes. Lourdes 18:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion for page curation script improvement[edit]

Hi Lourdes, I'm CatcherStorm. I have been using your page curation script and I have not found a way to mark pages patrolled directly from the script. If it is possible, could you add this feature to the script? CatcherStorm talk 17:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi CatcherStorm. Do tell me the exact problem in detail. Thanks. Lourdes 18:23, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
@Lourdes: I have been using your page curation script and I have not found a way to mark pages patrolled directly from the script. CatcherStorm talk 18:25, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Ha ha. Yes. You said that in your first statement :D Ok. Let me describe your problem. Confirm to me if that is it. So you go to a new article using the page curation script, but when you reach that page, you don't get the small review toolbar that normally should come out from the right side of the screen. Is that the problem? Lourdes 18:28, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
. Yeah, I'm not getting the review toolbar. CatcherStorm talk 18:29, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Ok. You don't need to ping me when you're leaving a message on my page :) Tell me if the following solution works:
  1. Use the Page Curation script and open any new unreviewed article.
  2. Go to the left sidebar menu (it would be on the left side of your screen)
  3. Go to the section on the left sidebar menu titled "Tools".
  4. Click on the link titled Curate this article.
Tell me if this works. Lourdes 18:32, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, it worked. CatcherStorm talk 18:34, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
No problems. Have fun. Come back for anything else. Lourdes 18:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

1851 and all that[edit]

I was searching for an old cricket link when I came across the Port Phillip v Van Diemen's Land, 1851 article that you were working on. There's not too much cricket at FAC these days, and I just wondered if you still have any plans for it? If so, drop me a line and I'd be delighted to help. If not, no worries. Sarastro1 (talk) 01:01, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Sarastro1. Wow! It's amazing to get a message from you for this. I recall your GA review of an article I wrote William Walker (Australian cricketer). That was a pleasure. It would be a pleasure working on Port Phillip v Van Diemen's Land, 1851 too with you. I had actually opened a peer review for the article, which was closed some time ago. I couldn't work on the article earlier because, well, I got pulled by some other interesting areas around the project - Afd, FL, CSD et al. Tell me how you would like to take this up. Shall I open up talk page discussions? We can then take the article section by section. Thanks and I'm still quite happy at your message. 02:12, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I'd say the best bet is to do this on the talk page. I've a few sources I want to check (I have a depressingly large cricket library!) to see if they have anything, then I'll put some thoughts down later today (hopefully!) Sarastro1 (talk) 19:39, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
  • I've started a section on the talk page. My library let me down, but there are a few other places I can look. I've made a few broad suggestions, and we can get into the details after that. And obviously if you have any sources that I'm missing (like the ones you have used so far), let me know! Sarastro1 (talk) 00:24, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
  • Great. I'll join you on the talk page. Thanks. Lourdes 01:28, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Good luck![edit]

Good luck for your rfa! J947 19:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you J947 :) Lourdes 19:11, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Here seems like a decent enough place to pile on the "too bad, wish you had gotten it" comments. From the places I've seen you around, think you'll be a great admin one day, and sad it wasn't 7 days from now. Alas. Your withdrawal statement was classy, and your work on the Wiki is great. :) TonyBallioni (talk) 02:45, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Aw thanks Tony. Lourdes 02:51, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Ritchie333, what's your thoughts on the rfa? I see that you mentioned above that she should be nominated up in this section. J947 04:40, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Seconded. It might not be right now, but it'll happen. Keep working hard towards that goal. - NsTaGaTr (Talk) 03:22, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks NsTaGaTr. It's actually not a goal; I don't think there's any need to work towards it. Editors should enjoy what they do here; and if the community in the meanwhile feels an editor has done enough and should be granted extra tools, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine too. Like I said, the point is to enjoy what one does here, which I do :) Thanks for the support. Lourdes 03:28, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
This yet another example of a perfectly able editor being opposed due to 'inexperience'. The community should lower their threshold, which would result in a whole bunch of new admins rolling in and a huge leap for Wikipedia. Other editors, if you see this post and if you think you're ready to become an admin then be bold and do it! There's nothing stopping you. J947 04:36, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@J947: The most obvious thought is trout slap to Lourdes for not asking a nom first! As I said above, I think she has the aptitude do the job, but there is a problem with attitude, and that came up in the RfA, so I think it closed with the right result this time. If I thought she had put enough distance between recent disruption at other RfAs, I would have nominated, but she hasn't, so I haven't. Had I had a chance to vote, I would have probably gone with "neutral" for those reasons.

For what it's worth, regarding the discussion with Oshwah, I would have blocked Bradyn33 indefinitely for vandalism with no other comment, not even a talk page notice. Experience has shown me that the odds of anyone making an edit like that reforming and making good faith edits are close to zero. So I'm on Lourdes' side in that discussion. However, as soon as the other admin had explained their view, I would have said "fair enough, we'll agree to disagree" and walked away to do something else. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:00, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie333, I guess I deserve the trout slap :) And yes, you're right. I've realized from the comments at the Rfa too that the community gives considerable importance to these interactions. I've placed this on my priority list. Thanks for being there. Lourdes 14:16, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

That was awful[edit]

Opposing your RfA was probably the worst thing I've done on Wikipedia, especially seeing as I probably misinterpreted something - my points there still remain, but they are said with a heavy heart. I hope in time you will consider applying again and I would like to echo a sentiment I hopefully made clear in my vote - you are a remarkable editor in many ways and you should be proud of your contributions -- Samtar talk · contribs 07:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi Samtar. No problems. I understand. I think the most important part of the Rfa was the fact that editors could go through my contributions and provide constructive feedback. I appreciated your response too. Thanks. See you around. Lourdes 09:52, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Sorry you did not get sufficient support. You got mine. Give it another shot in six months or a year. Edison (talk) 13:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Edison. Your support is much appreciated. Stuff happens. It's a learning experience. Thanks. Lourdes 14:18, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Please don't take that advice! You already shot yourself in the foot with some particularly poor decision-making. I recommend you visit ORCP no sooner than two years from now. I'm not making a judgement about your CLUEfulness but being too eager for a mop is a problem for many, including me. You've already proven that you're a good editor and I'd hate to see you get refused by the community a second time based in large part upon mistakes from this go around. Please continue to be a helpful editor here and think about adminship... look at areas where you can help our backlogs. Read every RfA guide you can find if you must. I'm sorry a couple editors puffed up your ego a little too early and encouraged you to the slaughter. When the time is right the cabal will tell you and after that it's a lifetime appointment. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Sure Chris, I'll take it as it comes. The question of whether I should visit ORCP or Rfa the next time is actually quite far from my mind – and I'll revisit the choice when the time is appropriate. As I mentioned to a few editors above, I'd rather enjoy doing what I do out here than think of working up my contributions, targeted at any future Rfa or ORCP listing. I appreciate the words you've written above and hope to see you around. Cheers. Lourdes 02:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Nikkimaria hello. How are you doing? I'll check and reply. Thanks. Lourdes 07:42, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:List of AfDs opened today[edit]

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New Page Review-Patrolling: Coordinator elections[edit]

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New Page Review - newsletter No.3[edit]

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Your signature[edit]

Hi Lourdes - what's with all the open/close tags in your signature - they don't seem to be doing anything except for making it take up space in the editing window (c.f. WP:SIGLEN). Will you please review and revise? Thank you. — xaosflux Talk 15:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Xaosflux, heck, have no idea when that crept in. Done and dealt with. Thanks for pointing it out. Lourdes 15:21, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks! Thought it was a 01APR thing, but saw it was in there before too :D Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 15:22, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
    Thanks :D Cheers. Lourdes 15:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Why this redirect?[edit]

Hey, what happened here? Shouldn't this go through AfD? Valoem talk contrib 14:15, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi Valoem; I don't think so. If you're particular about it, you may (but I wouldn't do it, if it were me). Lourdes 15:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
As long as we both understand. Nothing to see here. Valoem talk contrib 15:26, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Confused? So am I[edit]

In case you were wondering why you got a notification, for some reason, my ping autocomplete inserted your name instead of Leschnei's. [3] --NeilN talk to me 14:12, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

No problem. Lourdes 06:05, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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Port Phillip, etc etc[edit]

Hope you are well. I've just added quite a big chunk of background to cricket in Australia, which I think we were a little light on before; I managed to unearth quite a bit of background. I've reworked quite a lot of that section, so feel free to take a look and have a hack at it yourself. One other thought I had, which I will raise on the talk page when I get a chance, is that our title is probably wrong. Modern cricket (and sports in general) practice is to put the name of the home team first when naming the teams; by that rule, it should be "Van Diemen's Land v Port Philip, 1851". I might ask one or two others, but it's really not worth bothering with a RFC or anything so formal. It's pretty straightforward and not a big issue at all. Sarastro1 (talk) 00:59, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Sarastro1 hello. Yes, your point about the name seems to be right. We can change the article name anytime you wish. I'll just take a look at the additions in some time. Thanks for the effort you're putting in. Lourdes 02:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
We may have a little issue or two. I'll mention it here first as I'm still working out what it might mean and any possible ways around it. First, I'm not sure that the book/pamphlet of Phillpot is reliable enough to pass muster at FAC. I'm not sure myself, and have asked for a second opinion. If not, we will have to re-source anything cited to that. The only problem I foresee is the claim that Phillpot was instrumental in arranging the match. I've already found a few other things on Trove that might plug any gaps. The second issue is the claim, given in that history of the MCC, that the match was arranged to celebrate "the impending separation of Victoria from New South Wales". That is all we have to back up the fact in our article, but I'd feel happier if we had something more substantial. The article on Intercolonial cricket in Australia makes the same claim but is not referenced. It may come from a book listed in the sources, Two Hundred Years of Australian Cricket, but there is no way that I can get hold of that. That might make it difficult to source that particular claim more fully, but there is a deeper issue. I wonder if that book has more about our match? The source I mentioned on the talk page, The formative years of Australian cricket, almost certainly has a bit more as well. So, my issue is how close can we get to FAC standard without access to these print books, and without the Phillpot source? I'm becoming a little worried that we might hit a brick wall. I'll ponder for a bit, then stick some more thoughts on the talk page. Sarastro1 (talk) 00:56, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Very good points. I've noted down some stuff on Nikkimaria's talk page about the source in question. In the meanwhile, I've also changed the introduction part of the article to match the title move. Thanks. Lourdes 03:23, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I noticed that we are using "Tasmania and intercolonial cricket to 1891" as a source. It is behind a paywall, but I don't suppose you have a copy of it? Or do you know who used it as a source? It might have a little more on the background that we could use. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi Sarastro, I had used this as a source. I had access to this source at that time; unfortunately, I've lost that access since then to this source. I'll try and get hold of a copy and will inform you in a couple of days if I've managed that. Thanks. Lourdes 04:17, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
I've managed to add a little more from the sources that you found, and I really must compliment you on your research skills; I have no idea how you had the patience to dig some of these things out. You really should be writing far more cricket articles! Meanwhile, I've asked someone if they can get hold of two of the useful book sources from their local library. It may take a while, and may only confirm what we've already got, but it's worth a try. I apologise for the slow going, but I really think this could be very, very good when it's all done. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:00, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Sarastro1 for your kind words. I like cricketing articles because of one of my close friends being a cricketer. I'll surely try and contribute to some other cricketing articles. In fact, the last cricketing article List of Indian Premier League seasons and results I contributed to made me realize how the sport is growing. Anyway, will chip in on the article. I really don't mind the slow going. I actually am grateful to you that you're working on the article with much diligence. Thanks once more for your kind words. Lourdes 04:13, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, I think I've managed to get VERY solid sources and rejigged everything up to the start of the match now. I've taken out the CricketCountry source and replaced it with a cn tag for the moment; I'm 99% sure I can find everything that was in the CC article without too much difficulty, and I think I've got the hardest part out of the way. The next step is the match report, which shouldn't be too bad as we don't want too much detail. However, I was wondering what you are like with tables on here. There is a format that has been used to produce simple scorecards for articles like this: for example here. I'm truly dreadful at creating them. I don't think one is essential, but it wouldn't hurt either. If you are any good and feel like cobbling one together, that would be fantastic. Otherwise, if you think we need one, I could ask around a few people and see if they can conjure one up for us. Finally, any joy on "Tasmania and intercolonial cricket to 1891" yet? I doubt it's essential in any case; nor are those books if we can't get hold of them. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:44, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sarastro1, I've worked on tables in the past so I'll try to get this one up. No luck with the book though. Sorry for that. Lourdes 08:41, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Match done; I've cut it back quite a bit (which was something that came up at the PR and the FAC) and managed to reference it without cricket country. I've taken out everything about "the first instance of..." as that is self-evident in the first first-class game, and it is not something the players would have been aware of. We can maybe mention this at the end. Almost there now, I think. Sarastro1 (talk) 23:30, 11 March 2017 (UTC)
That's brilliant. I'll work on the article once you're through and also add the table. Do give me a headsup when you're more or less done. You're the best. Thanks. Lourdes 04:47, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
  • OK, I think that's it. I've probably missed quite a few links, as I'm terrible at those, and it still would benefit from the scorecard if you are interested. I haven't checked through and I'd like to give it a last copy-edit and polish before going anywhere near FAC. I'm going to ask a couple of people to take a cold hard look at it too, including Wehwalt who was interested before, so that it has the best chance possible. But we should be able to nominate in the next week or so if all goes well and I've not done anything too stupid. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:47, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Fantastic Sarastro1; I'll go through the article and also put in the scorecard this weekend. Have a great one. Lourdes 17:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Update: Wehwalt has had a look now, and I've added a scorecard. I think it is just about ready, and if you have no objection I'll nominate this for FAC in the next day or two. Sarastro1 (talk) 21:39, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Sarastro1 thanks so much for the scorecard work. You're simply doing everything leaving me nothing to do :) I have no objection at all. Thanks again for all the outstanding work on the article. Lourdes 03:24, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
My mistake on the double quotations... long week!! Or I need my eyes testing... Sarastro1 (talk) 16:23, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh come on :) You've done the mountain of impeccable work on this and you don't need to worry about the mistakes. I'm just doodling through the stuff. Lourdes 16:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Most of the sources say 11am, but the grand cricket match one gives 10:30. I've gone for 11, as that's what most modern sources say. I got a scan of "200 Seasons of Australian Cricket" as well, from which I added in some more details last week; that gives 11am too. Sarastro1 (talk) 20:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Sarastro1. I'm done copy editing the article. If there's anything else you'd like me to go through within the article, do please tell. Otherwise, you can nominate the same for FA whenever you decide. Thanks. Lourdes 16:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
No, I think we're good. I've nominated it now, so let's see what happens. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:46, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Lourdes 01:53, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for getting all the points at FAC, I've been rather busy these last few days! Sarastro1 (talk) 19:14, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Sarastro1, no problems at all. I'm just chipping in after you've chiseled out the mountain. Lourdes 15:15, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Congress of people[edit]


Thank you for editing and reviewing the our page congress of people. Thank you for adding in the term unrecognised" party. I would request you to undo the deleted article, as we are planning to nominate our candidates in coming loksabha elections from the sates mentioned in the article.

Since you have deleted the whole article,it is demoralising for our party members.

Kindly undo the changes you did, and request you to remove/edit only the matter that you feel inappropriate.

Looking forward for your positive response

Thank you Santoshbhagat82 (talk) 04:43, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hello. I've deleted content that did not adhere to our core content policies, so I don't believe I can add the same back. You could discuss this issue on the talk page of the article, so that other editors can also comment. Also, while you're around, please give a quick look to Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines, which suggests that you exhibit extreme caution in contributing to articles that you may be associated with. If there's anything else where you might wish my help in, feel free to ask. Thanks. Lourdes 06:19, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, will check the details thanks Santoshbhagat82 (talk) 07:30, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Sharp catches[edit]

Sharp catches on Carmen Lagamagna. For some reason I thought VC was referring to venture capitalist, perhaps reflecting my own internal bias. Also, unfortunate that you had to withdraw your recent RfA. I am sure you will get it soon enough, you are an outstanding team member. Ies (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks I enjoy sandwiches. No problems with your edits. I've done worse. See you around. Lourdes 14:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Issues with Page Curation Toolbar installation[edit]

Hey there. I'm trying to get the page curation toolbar working, but I'm having some issues. I added it to the js file, and the "Page Curation" link is in the top section, but the toolbar isn't showing up, and I don't have a link in the Tools section. Any ideas? Thanks! bojo | talk 20:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello bojo1498, please click on the page curation link at the top, and from the list of new articles that are shown, click on any article, and then notice the small vertical menu that pops out at the right side of the screen. If no vertical menu pops out, check the items in the left tool bar (below the heading titled "Tools") and see if you have the link "Curate this article". Check all this and tell me if this works. Thanks. Lourdes 07:17, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
  • I tried this, and it isn't working, unfortunately. The "Page Curation" link shows at the top, and it takes me to the New Pages Feed, but once I click on any of the articles, no menu appears and I don't have a link in the tools section for curation. Thanks! bojo | talk 13:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Okay, got it. This line in the documentation seems to contradict that, unless I'm missing something: "At the same time, any registered user can install, and use the script." I thought that might be the case, but based on the aforementioned line from the documentation I wasn't sure. Thanks! bojo | talk 19:11, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • bojo1498 you have a point here. Let me try and improve the same. Thanks. Lourdes 00:30, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks! bojo | talk 02:28, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

TFL notification[edit]

Hi, Lourdes. I'm just posting to let you know that List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for May 8. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 22:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Thanks so much for this. Harrias is the main contributor to the list; so it would be good to get his views first. In my opinion, I would have preferred 1 May (the day he died), as that would hold some more relevance. But I would go by what you or The Rambling Man may decide. Thanks so much. Lourdes 07:22, 22 April 2017 (UTC)


I received a notification you sent me an email but I have not seen an email. Perhaps the notification precedes the email; I'll keep looking although I expect to retire for the evening very soon.--S Philbrick(Talk) 02:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

I just realized it is in a different folder so I have it, although I have not yet read it.--S Philbrick(Talk) 02:03, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Read and actioned.--S Philbrick(Talk) 02:06, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Sphilbrick thanks a lot. Lourdes 04:37, 29 April 2017 (UTC)


Thanks very much for catching that; I've closed as speedy due to nom withdrawal. Dunno what I was thinking. I might have been looking at the article as it was before I filleted it; or just good old-fashioned skim-reading of the sources :) In any case, thanks again, and take care. — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 17:00, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh. Alright. I hope my comments weren't off. I wouldn't !vote keep in any noms you've put up. That's why I simply commented. Hope you're doing well. Lourdes 17:03, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the !vote ;) No, not off, you made points that addressed my nomination, and I think you pointed out better sourcing than I noticed, particularly re. depth of coverage in NYT etc. Anyway, it's probably good for the soul to be wrong about something every now and again, and be called out on it-, cheers! — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 17:09, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


Hey Lourdes, thanks for helping in the "The5" page, can you please add to the infobox that the record label is Sony Music and that the genre is Pop because it didn't work with me. Thanks ☺ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey it's the guy from the "The5" article again, thank you and sorry for bothering you again 😅 Can you please add to the infobox the first first picture that you find on Google when writing "The5"? I don't know how to put pictures. And thank you for helping me ☺☺ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:40, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

  • Hello and thanks for the note. Please read Wikipedia:Non-free content. I would not prefer placing any image that is not free to use. Write back for any assistance. Thanks. Lourdes 23:42, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Hey Lourdes, thanks for telling me about the references thing. I'm going to add references but please next time don't delete the paragraph just tell me what to do. ☺ And for the image, if there's any image free to use I'd be glad if you add it until I learn how to add one... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibeluser (talkcontribs) 08:31, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Hi Wikibeluser, please don't put SPAM in our articles. That's why I deleted the paragraph, apart from the reference thing. Please read our non-negotiable PILLARS to understand the basis of editing out here on Wikipedia. On the other thing, I don't have any free image. Come back for any other help if you want. Thanks. Lourdes 09:21, 20 May 2017 (UTC)


I'm not really offended. I am pretty disappointed to come back to responses that are not just half-hearted, but fairly objectivey wrong. We need more admins. In fact, we're losing them at an average of about 50 a year, and have been in the red every year for the past nine. And that's with the pretty damned low bar of an average of a single edit every other day over 60 days. So great on them for meeting basically the bare minimum to not get desysoped for inactivity, but from where I sit, it seems pretty evident that a couple dozen people who are online for 5-10 hours daily are doing most of the heavy lifting. (A few names come to mind of folks who are logging probably 100-200 admin actions per day, every day.)

So yeah, to see that the standard for ORCP is apparently well below that expected for an AfD nomination is pretty disappointing. TimothyJosephWood 11:47, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

I can understand. I don't know what to say, but I am sorry for how the review turned out. Lourdes 13:10, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Céline Bethmann AfD[edit]

You may want to note the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalie White (2nd nomination) AfD.

My argument is that if we feel winning a show doesn't give notability, one of the previous winners should be non-notable. Otherwise, we should consider them up-and-coming, high-profile people in the entertainment industry, and starring in a full-season of a prime-time TV show should be enough to allow keeping the article by BLP. Power~enwiki (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Got it. Incidentally, I guess you've forgotten to sign at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natalie White (2nd nomination). Thanks. Lourdes 11:05, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Re: Message[edit]

Hello. I received your message about an AFD discussion on my talkpage. Thanks for letting me know about that. I'm still new to this AFD thing, and taking a closer look at the AFD discussion definitely shows consensus for deletion. Is there any way to contact an admin and get them to close the discussion, or do we have to wait until it gets moved to the old discussions? Thanks –XboxGamer22408talk 02:52, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

XboxGamer22408, hi. No worries. Just let the Afd be as it is. It will be closed eventually. Thanks. Lourdes 00:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
XboxGamer22408; pinging you once more. Thanks. Lourdes 00:42, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Review request for Kunal Saha[edit]

Respected sir,

Kunal_Saha Kunal saha's significance is no way limited within "India's got talent".

Kunal Saha is someone who is contributing towards Indian music since age of 5. He is also an inspiration to follow : Ref :

Kunal saha represented India in One asia convert , a concert organised by the consulate general of Japan to commemorate 60 years of diplomatic relationship between Japan and India. Ref :

Saha also participated as Santoor Artist in International Kolkata fashion week 2012 . Ref:

Kunal Saha fulfills the rules of WP:MUSICBIO.Saha is having many articles in national newspapers, have done foreign tours as Santoor Artist, played in ALL INDIA RADIO,

AmlanDas (talk) 08:11, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello Amlan, I understand what you are referring to. Unfortunately, a significant majority of the editors at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kunal Saha, including Winged Blades of Godric, Bearian and Exemplo347 did not believe the subject to be notable. Even the sources you have listed, do not show in-depth or significant analysis of the subject. They are fleeting mentions of either the subject's performance or they are very short interviews (which, being primary sources, may not be considered as sources for notability). But don't worry. Over time, I am sure this subject would gain significant coverage and in-depth mentions – of the kind where the newspaper article or any other reliable source discusses purely him. We can recreate the said article then. If you need more assistance, please ask. Do not hesitate to ask for more clarifications. Thanks. Lourdes 00:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Respected Sir, Thank you so much for providing your precious time. In Kunal Saha's update history log you may see experienced user SoWhy had found significance and remarked "claims significance, not completely copyvio (those parts can be removed without having to delete the whole article". As per my research I do believe Kunal Saha's contribution towards music is encyclopedic. I couldn't find all the references of news articles. May be some references have been archived now. You may find several coverage snaps on Saha and his band Blendz (Which is the only ethnic electronic fusion at Eastern India founded by Saha) at [[4]] I am requesting you to give a chance to edit rather than deleting my whole contribution

Thanks AmlanDas (talk) 07:26, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello AmlanDas, SoWhy's analysis was purely with respect to not speedily deleting the article. In any article, irrespective of whether sources exist about the article's subject, if there is a claim made of notability or significance, then the article should not be deleted unilaterally under the A7 criterion. The reason this article was discussed in a forum by various editors was because SoWhy declined to delete the article in a speedy manner. Having said that, now that editors have reached consensus about the article's status, it is not left to me to reverse the same. If you find reliable sources that discuss the subject in depth rather than only in passing statements, then you can share those sources with me and I can suggest whether the article can be recreated or not. Hope this explanation helps. Lourdes 14:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
I am very busy with grad school. If the issue was anywhere near to close, I would try to fix the problems. Sadly, the answer is I will not assist anyone in trying to rescue this. Bearian (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Respected Sir ,

I have found another reliable source where Saha's articles has been listed. [[5]] . I would like to request you to go through following articles which will prove him as a significant artist.

[[6]] [[7]] [[8]] [[9]] [[10]]

If restore is not possible, kindly allow me to recreate the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmlanDas (talkcontribs) 06:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello again AmlanDas, out of all the sources you've listed, only this archived source looks interesting; but even this has a significant part of the source as interview statements from the subject; I would consider this source predominantly a primary source, and not enough for notability. I am sorry but the other sources simply don't discuss the subject enough (and is in itself an unreliable source). Sorry, but this is not enough. I hope you are not dissuaded. Might I suggest that you focus on editing other articles and revisit the notability-worthiness of this subject say after six months? Thanks. Lourdes 16:56, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

A year ago ...
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helpful insight with a pun
... you were recipient
no. 1422 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Thanks Gerda. That is thoughtful and appreciated. Hope you are doing well. Lourdes 12:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
On vacation, flowers and culture, such as a great opera yesterday (need to expand our stub, the composer was there), another one today. On Wikipedia, I could do without arguments such as Ach Gott. But DYK flourishes, Kafka reminder, + a lead hook and a quirky one that I reviewed. How are you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Wow Gerda, your work is fascinating as always. I have been very well. Thank you for asking. Hope to meet you some day if I'm around your town. Warmly. Lourdes 16:39, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I am advertising my town in my infobox on my user page, - it's worth a trip, ask Floq ;) - Women in music in July, I made a start with a fascinating singer-actress. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 :) Will make it there one day. Lourdes 16:52, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
let me know in advance, please, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Absolutely. Lourdes 02:29, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caribbean Journal of International Relations & Diplomacy[edit]

Hi, This AfD suffered from very little participation (and no participation at all from specialist editors knowledgeable about academic journals. I'd appreciate if you could relist this instead of closing. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 11:02, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Randykitty. Hope you're doing well. I can understand your viewpoint (which is reflected in my closing statement). While I'm unfamiliar with Chetsford, I am quite well acquainted with the work of Carrite and Casliber and consider them editors who are knowledgeable about academic journals. Yet, I can understand what you're saying here (although I'm a performing artiste myself, I am in the final year of my Ph.D, having submitted my dissertation and realize the interpretation in the area of academic journals is a sensitive issue). To your benefit, let me ping a few editors I respect; if any one of them agrees with you, I'll re-list this Afd. Requesting the inputs of Kudpung, Sam walton, Ritchie333, Ad Orientem, Xaosflux, SoWhy, HJ Mitchell. Thanks. Lourdes 11:17, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Based only on that discussion, I do not see that a consensus to delete the page emerged. — xaosflux Talk 11:25, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
The job of a closer is to assess consensus. Three experienced editors supplied sources and explained why it was possible to write an article on this. For a non-keep close to hold sway, those arguments would need to have been refuted, which they weren't, except for WP:NOTINHERITED. So I would endorse the "keep" close. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:10, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Note I am not asking for a non-keep close, which clearly would be ridiculous as the debate currently stands. I am only asking for a relist, to give other editors a chance to participate in the discussion. Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 12:46, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
Why? The only other result might be a no consensus, which would default to status quo. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
The current arguments rest on an incorrect interpretation of WP:NJournals. If experienced editors would participate, I'm not so sure about the outcome. (The !vote based on maintaining a "very, very low bar for journals" obviously is not policy based, for example). Also, even if this would end up to be closed "no consensus" and the status quo maintained, that would still make it easier to take this to AfD again in 3 or 4 months, if no actual evidence of notability surfaces. --Randykitty (talk) 14:16, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
  • This looks like a good close to me. Three !votes may not be ideal but in the present environment at AfD it is a reasonable level of participation. The consensus clearly supported a Keep outcome and I did not see anything in the rationals that struck me as an obvious misinterpretation of guidelines. That said, I don't think there would be anything wrong with opening a discussion about the article on the talk page of one of the relevant wiki-projects to get some feed back. If you suddenly get a bunch of editors all saying that the AfD blew it, that might be a good rational for a renomination. But as far as this one goes, consensus is what we go by and it looks pretty clear here. Don't take it too hard. AfD is not my favorite place in the world and FWIW I've got a few check marks in the loss column there too. It happens. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:35, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm not at all saying that this was a bad close, as the debate stands, this was the only possible outcome. All I was asking for was a relist, to stimulate more discussion by more specialist editors. I guess that's not gonna happen, but just want to make it clear that no criticism of Lourdes was made, nor was it intended if anybody misread my comments. --Randykitty (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
(pinged) My standard is usually to relist if two or less people participated and to close if more did unless consensus is unclear. It's not the assessing admin's job to relist if they believe the "wrong" people participated or others could also have participated. If consensus is clear after seven days, the AFD should be closed. There are far too many of them anyway (I've been closing dozens almost daily the last weeks) to relist even those with clear consensus. Regards SoWhy 19:18, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I have no fundamental problem with reopening this AfD. If the current plan is to file a new one in short order, perhaps it might be more time efficient for everyone involved to just reopen this one. Chetsford (talk) 22:11, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I'm late to the party (is there any beer left?) but the close looks like a good call to me. Three experienced editors, well-reasoned arguments, nobody arguing for deletion other than the nominator ... I can't really see another way to close it. Reasonable minds can differ but I don't see that relisting would have had much effect here. As to re-nominating, the question to ask is whether there are arguments that haven't been explored. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 07:47, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
Problem is that nobody bothers to look at the links/references provided. It looks good, but doesn't stand up to close inspection. A handful of citations to articles published in the journal really doesn't contribute anything to notability. None of those references actually say anything about the journal. And, as said before, at least one !vote was not policy based at all. And, I repeat yet again, I have no beef with Lourdes' judgment, all I was asking for was a relist. In any case, it's clear that isn't going to happen, so let's stop pestering Lourdes with messages on their talk page. --Randykitty (talk) 10:33, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Newsletter[edit]

Hello Lourdes, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!
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Infonet_Lasnamäe_Stadium deletion[edit]

Thanks for looking at the Infonet_Lasnamäe_Stadium page which was nominated for deletion. I think you have set a dangerous precedent deleting this page as every top-flight football club in Europe has a page for their ground. I think deleting it is very Anglo-centric, for sure it's a small club in the grand scheme of things for it is the home of the Estonian Champions!

There was very little debate on deleting this page. Only one person really wanted it deleted. Anyone who regularly reads the pages about football clubs (like me!) would see there is only one decision.

I accept that if Wikipedia was being put together from scratch then it might be decided not to include a page for each ground. That's a decision which has already been made though. But the fact is every team has one, it's utterly illogical to delete this page.

Anyway up to you what you want to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimRob (talkcontribs) 21:18, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello GrimRob. Hope you're doing well. I understand your point of view. The Afd on the stadium pointed to a consensus on redirecting the article to FCI Tallinn, because editors believed that the stadium had not received enough significant coverage to qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Personally, I have no views about the stadium, but would suggest that you may try and get reliable sources that discuss the stadium at length. These sources may assist you in recreating the article on the stadium in case you wish to, in the future. If you need my help at any juncture, feel free to ask. Warmly. Lourdes 14:45, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
The only source in English was the article about the Hearts game which was postponed because the ground was so small. It's curious how a side which such a small ground managed to win the league, there are much bigger grounds in the division, but I have no links with Estonia so don't know. I'll add anything I find to the ground section on the main page about the club - hopefully one day someone will see sense and split it into two pages to get consistency with every other European team. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrimRob (talkcontribs) 20:07, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


New Zealand TW-17.svg Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:09, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Your question at the RfB[edit]

Given that Bureaucrats have no special interest/powers/tools when it comes to AfD, I wondered why you were asking this? It's not obvious from your question. While we do encourage people to ask questions of candidates, it's to help understand whether the candidate is suitable or not. Please note that WP:RFA includes the text Irrelevant questions can be removed or ignored, so please stay on topic. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:25, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Dweller, hope you're well. It's more SoWhy's perspectives on COI that interest me than his closing of Afds. While I feel the query is relevant, if you feel the question is irrelevant, please remove the same immediately. I have no issues on that. Warmly. Lourdes 11:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm. I'm not sure COI is relevant either. If you're sure you're happy I'll remove it. Or you can do it yourself. I'm off to get a sandwich, I'll check here when I get back. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Like I said, while I think it is relevant and should be considered, I have no issues if you believe it is irrelevant and remove the same. As always, warmly. Lourdes 11:32, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
"I think it is relevant and should be considered" Then I'll leave it. As a Crat, I'm a guardian of appropriate RfX procedures, which way exceeds my position as nominator in this case. If another Wikipedian disagrees and chooses to remove it (or you do), I'm fine with that. I would suggest that if it stays you at least clarify that you're interested in COI more than AfD, and why you think that relevant to RfB. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:40, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Sure. Will do so Dweller. Thanks. Lourdes 14:54, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I didn't want to reply to you at the RfB because I don't think it's the best forum to discuss this but I would be happy if you could explain your reasoning in more detail. The COI guideline says (in note [a]) that interest "refers here not to curiosity but to something in which a person has a stake" (and further "[T]he term 'interest' [in 'conflict of interest'] means some actual share or right on the basis of which one can materially gain or lose [...]" (emphasis added)). That's why I felt and feel comfortable saying I have no such COI when it comes to other people who happen to have the same job as I do but where I could not possibly gain anything from handling their articles one way or another. Am I right to understand that you think that having the same job alone is sufficient to trigger the appearance of a COI? I don't think that fits the current wording of WP:APPARENTCOI but I would like to hear why you think so. Also, no matter the outcome of the RfB, do you think the COI guideline should be clarified in this regard and if so, where to discuss this best, WT:COI or WP:VPP? Regards SoWhy 07:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
SoWhy, I thank you for the gracious response. I have withdrawn my oppose following very lucid counter points by editors at your Rfb. I am also sorry for how the Rfb is turning out at the current moment. Some of the editors in my Rfa also pointed out a similar issue – of being a stickler for the written word – as the reason for their opposing my Rfa. Since then, I have gained in understanding the implications of IAR and the reasons one needs to use common sense in a wide area of our interactions on Wikipedia – from editing to maintenance to administrative functions to even, I should say, reading through various articles. I hope the current Rfb does not put you down; I really admire your presence and interactions here and hope to see more of you in due course. Warmly as always, Lourdes 02:40, 27 July 2017 (UTC)


Thank you for bringing this to my attention, even though I can't edit on the moderators forum, I've left the editor that raised the question messages on his talk page! MusicPatrol (talk) 22:30, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll respond to you at the relevant notice board. Thanks. Lourdes 14:40, 1 August 2017 (UTC)


[11] Must've missed the joke! — fortunavelut luna 14:33, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

You deleted the full list and left just the date :) I thought that was good for a laugh :) How have you been doing? Good to have you drop by. Lourdes 14:38, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Riiiight... Yeah fine thanks Lourdes! Thing is, I don't usually go around deleting pages lke that :o this image is a screenshot of what I can see there right now- see what I mean? So the only thing I thought I was getting rid of was what appeared to be an external link! I mean, WTF, etc?! I like theway you thought I just casually go around blanking pages :p — fortunavelut luna 14:58, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
AfD glitch page
:D I get it. The fact is that pages that are very long don't get transcluded (there's a limit to transclusion); so what you basically see is an untranscluded Afd list and one reference from an Afd included in that day's list. That made you think that there's spam. No worries. I don't think you go around blanking pages :DDDD Lourdes 15:04, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah ha. Nice one :) That particular example is actually a good advert for blanking... or TNT! Thanks for the help Lourdes- any idea how I can get to see the whole page, though? — fortunavelut luna 15:08, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
Of course. Just click on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2017 July 24 on that page. You'll get to see the whole list. (On most days when the list is of normal size which can be handled by the transclusion mode, you can see the full list at Wikipedia:List of AfDs closing today, without having the need to click again.) Lourdes 15:17, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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24/ Tech. Support Ha! Thanks a lot!

...Now.... I can get back to my page-blanking rampage... :) — fortunavelut luna 15:25, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Not if I can help it... -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 15:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
You guys :D Thanks FIM Lourdes 15:48, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

There is no vandalism[edit]

Refer to article Swati Chaturvedi, the edits were all legit and backed with links. Why are you flagging those as vandalism? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:204:8486:32B2:DC48:AEDD:D15D:7539 (talk) 12:56, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

You'll be blocked for BLP vandalism the next time you add attacking statements based on absolutely unreliable sources. Lourdes 13:01, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Thomas Bohn[edit]

Hey LOURDES, Thomas Bohn:::My edits are accurate but not verifiable at the moment as Adam Christ is in chemotherapy in Edin Prairie MN. Please consider my edits a gift to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100A:B128:C206:88CE:3869:2478:6B17 (talk) 04:58, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Please don't add unverified information on living persons to any article on Wikipedia. Please read the policy on BLP before proceeding to edit on Wikipedia. Repeated such edits will result in your IP/account getting blocked. Thanks. Lourdes 05:00, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

XfD closures[edit]

Given that you had to close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amory N. Hardy in some way or other, you closed it well. But you didn't have to close it, and I wonder if closing it was a good idea. Non-admin closure (to which your closure links) talks of "Clear keep outcomes after a full listing period (stated in the instructions to each XfD, this is usually seven days), absent any contentious debate among participants"; I'm not sure how "contentious" debate differs from any other debate, but anyway this debate was reasoned and principled, as indeed you seem to acknowledge ("With due respect to Fram and Ravenswing's deletion arguments...").

Perhaps closing this kind of discussion shouldn't be a matter for admins, but it is. Becoming an admin has become a grotesquely tiresome process since my time, but it's not insurmountable. If you'd like to make another attempt at it some time, I suggest that you err on the side of caution when deciding whether to close XfDs. -- Hoary (talk) 00:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Hoary, hope you're doing well. The Afd you refer to has a clear Keep outcome, with you as one of the Keep !voters. I can see your interpretation of why you believe non-admins should not close any Afd which might have witnessed weighty debates. WP:BADNAC, which is the section that guides editors on when non-admin closure is inappropriate, quotes that one such case could be when: "the outcome is a close call (especially where there are several valid outcomes) or likely to be controversial." If you believe this could have been the case and wish me to re-open the Afd, please do mention it and I shall do that. Do tell me if I can be of any other assistance.
At the same time, I'm also pinging a few editors who have commented here in the past and are regulars at Afd – Ritchie333, Ad Orientem, Xaosflux, SoWhy, HJ Mitchell – to request them for their view on whether they believe this Afd qualified on WP:BADNAC – that is, whether this Afd was a close call/had various possible outcomes/was controversial. Warmly. Lourdes 01:28, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
(pinged) While I agree with the close itself, Hoary has a point when they say you probably should have erred on the side of caution and let an admin handle it. As he points out, WP:NAC talks about "Clear keep outcomes after a full listing period (stated in the instructions to each XfD, this is usually seven days), absent any contentious debate among participants" (emphasis added) and in this case the debate seems to qualify as contentious even though it was civil. That said, I see no point in reopening the debate only to close it with the same outcome again. Just be more careful in future and maybe restrict yourself to NACs for XFDs without people arguing strongly for deletion. Regards SoWhy 05:47, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
I believe that's a fair analysis SoWhy. Will keep this in mind in the future closes. Thanks. Lourdes 05:49, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I wasn't advocating a reopening of the discussion and I'm not advocating this now. For me to do so would, in Wikipedia jargon, be pointy. However, I'd be in favor of reopening it if anyone else gave any reason for doing so that was at least slightly plausible. (As for the "Non-admin closures" instructions, I'm still puzzled by the notion of a non-contentious debate. Sounds to me like a non-rolling ball, or non-cold ice cream.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Hoary for this pointer. ("non-cold ice cream" :D True that!) See you around. Lourdes 01:28, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Fallon fox edit[edit]

Hello Lourdes,

While I'm sure you meant well, biology is not imaginary. Your reverting of my edits and your ignorant complicity with trans ideology makes you an enemy of women. You should feel shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vulvawarrior (talkcontribs) 03:03, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure. Take your assertions about the gender of the subject to the said article's talk page and get consensus before attempting to re-add the changes. If you need any assistance doing this, feel free to ask me. Also, your name may be inappropriate, per our username policy. You could consider changing the same. Thanks. Lourdes 03:13, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

mind your words[edit]

i have added categories of the convicted rapist and criminal. Please go through media reports here - - I am cleaning up the article and correcting original research. Please mind your words dont imagine non sense assume good faith.

Bumbravathi (talk) 17:05, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Hello. Youtube is unreliable as a source. And your edits are removing cited material and adding uncited controversial material to the article. I've reverted your current edit as vandalism. You may get blocked if you continue this editing behavior. Come to the talk page of the article and discuss any controversial change. If you need help in understanding how to edit BLPs on Wikipedia, feel free to ask me. Warmly, Lourdes 17:47, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For taking the time to rewrite and source an article at AfD, instead of just giving an opinion. E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:00, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Thanks a lot for answering my question on Help Desk Abhijeet Safai (talk) 08:59, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
You're welcome. Lourdes 09:49, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks[edit]

Many thanks for guiding me to Wikipedia: Manual of Style/Text formatting at Wikipedia: Help desk. In all my years of editing Wikipedia, I am still learning things. Vorbee (talk) 15:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Vorbee, welcome anytime. Cheers. Lourdes 01:36, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar for You![edit]

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Thank you very much for fixing one of my awards on my user page. For that kind act, you get this barnstar! Futurist110 (talk) 03:10, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Thank you Futurist110. You're always welcome. Lourdes 03:11, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


Hi Lourdes, thank you for your comments at my RfA. Your support is much appreciated! ansh666 21:01, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome Ansh666. And congratulations. Well done. Lourdes 21:52, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Leila Abukar[edit]

Hey, replying here since it's not really about the article, but just wanted to say thanks for the considered and thoughtful reply. It doesn't change my view of this particular case but I understand your reasoning. I re-nominated this one having found it in my history, and wanted to re-test consensus since the original AfD had not been very decisive. Frickeg (talk) 13:29, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Frickeg and thanks for the gracious note. Cheers. Lourdes 02:37, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
It's also worth noting that Middayexpress had a significant impact on the first AfD, and is now topic banned. That's not a reason for deleting the article, but I'd say it is a good reason to re-run the AfD (CC Frickeg). Cordless Larry (talk) 07:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh. I did not know that the user was topic-banned. That's a fresh perspective I did not have. Thanks. Lourdes 07:03, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Also Cordless Larry, any particular reason why you've not run for an Rfa till date? Thanks. Lourdes 07:11, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I have enough experience with administrative tasks such as closing discussions to run for admin, Lourdes, and neither am I really sure what I would do with the tools if I was made one. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:21, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply Cordless Larry. I see you quite active in Afds and you have commensurate experience in CSDs too. Your expertise could assist in these areas, if you had access to admin tools. Why don't you consider this (if not now, in the future)? Thanks. Lourdes 03:08, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Lourdes. I've previously told some others that I will consider it, so I will give it some proper thought. No promises, though! Cordless Larry (talk) 07:43, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Ali Abbas (actor)[edit]

Hi, this has been renominated just 3 weeks after the previous AFD you closed as keep. Its the same nominator, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 17:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, Atlantic306, somewhat disruptive. I'll mention this in the Afd. Lourdes 09:56, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Thankyou for your help, greatly appreciated Atlantic306 (talk) 13:05, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Trantunghdvn85pnhd (talk) 07:43, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Help Desk[edit]

I'm taking this off the Help Desk, because it's not really pertinent, and because if Tarook97 reads it there it's not really going to help matters, but (in reply to this):

One might hope so, but they've _already_ continued the mistake, as mentioned. It was very nearly the first thing they did upon their block running out - which is itself only their fourth block because a 6RR and a series of reverts just short of 3RR were allowed to pass without a block.

I was rather disappointed that the last AN:EW report didn't result in action, which might perhaps have finally driven the message home. It's not so much assuming good faith as hopeless optimism to suppose that anything will change now. Furthermore, if it did, would they become an asset? Their edits are, bluntly, generally not very useful. (This recent stuff at Arabs looks like good writing until one realises it's just copied off other Wikipedia pages, although I guess that's a step forward of a kind). Pinkbeast (talk) 04:55, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I know what you're saying. I appreciate your positive outlook ("step forward") :) When I was a fresh editor here, I too made quite a few mistakes. Let's hope Tarook improves. My suggestion would be to try and help him again (and of course, if he doesn't change, then you can report him again). Good to see you drop in here. Hope you're well. Warmly. Lourdes 05:00, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you![edit]

Gaufre biscuit.jpg For your RfA comments. I hope we get to work together in the future! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the lovely biscuit Ed :) I hope so too. Warmly. Lourdes 03:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

WWICS Group Of Companies[edit]

Dear User:Lourdes Please guide me on how to update content on the following page , and why it is getting deleted everytime before i can publish updated content requesting your help to take things ahead ,if you want the content please provide your email id i will provide what is to be updated revert awaited User:Abhinavpoonia

Hello Abhinavpoonia, while you can always email me by using this link, I would recommend that you please also read WP:COI and WP:Paid editing before you edit any article related to your organization. Thanks. Lourdes 09:39, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Dear User:Lourdes the wikipedia page for wwics group of companies existed for more than 1.5 years, we have kept a strong watch on not to face any plagiarism hence provided it with unique content, also a false claim has been placed that the information is being taken from the website, considering today's trends nobody will like to face a penalty from google for repeated lookalike content.but i still dont understand how come this happened why a deletion request was raised Regards User:Abhinavpoonia —Preceding undated comment added 10:09, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

You should read WP:ORG, which gives details on the criteria your organization needs to meet to claim inclusion at Wikipedia. Thanks. Lourdes 14:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Manny Lehman page[edit]

Hi Lourdes,

Thanks for your reply about the page I reported .. I am leaning towards keep (I dont think I have any influence ) but after your research there is evidence of great achievements. Sadly they were amiss.

If the page is kept and you would like help with sourcing citations etc I am happy assist you. I got laid off and I'm happy for something constructive to do in between job searching.



Hi PiFunk, sorry to know about your getting laid off. It would be good to collaborate with you on the article. I would suggest that you should read up on a few things before you start editing significantly here. Read WP:PILLARS, WP:EDITING and WP:REFB (and also the policies/guidelines cited within; you can skip the essays that are cited in some of these). Let's start work on the article after the Afd concludes. Warmly. Lourdes 05:11, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Orange High School Page[edit]

Hi Lourdes. I received a message from you that my edit of the Orange High School page was undone as it "did not appear constructive". However, my edit was reverting the vandalism, in this case the motto being changed to "Kill the Jews", the house names to "Hitler, Did, Nothing and Wrong", and one of the notable alumni being changed to Hillary Clinton. Reverting this seemed fairly constructive to me, and then when I go to the page it says its been reverted back to my edit anyway?

Was just a little confused as to what was going on. Thanks for your time. 0003c9fe (talk) 09:46, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello 0003c9fe. Your edit on the page is perfectly fine. Post your edit, an IP vandalized the page again. I reverted the page to your version, and instead of leaving a note on the IP's talk page, mistakenly left a note on your talk page; then I immediately undid my edit to your talk page, and left the relevant note on the IP's talk page. Sorry for the confusion; my bad. And thanks for the effort in reverting vandalism. Warmly, Lourdes 10:23, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Bavesh Padayachy[edit]

Hi, I had already prodded that article. Is there a specific reason why you disregarded that? Jarkeld (talk) 11:45, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh no. I think what happened was that when I opened up the Twinkle form and was filling it up, I took around four minutes to check some new sources I had found. In the meanwhile, you had prodded it. Just a simple edit conflict. Do suggest how should we proceed here? Should I undo my Afd or are you okay with the Afd proceeding? Much apologies for the edit conflict; not intended. Warmly, Lourdes 11:48, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
It's "lood om oud ijzer" between PROD or AFD (but afd is the more direct way). I'll file my comments at the Afd. No worries. Jarkeld (talk) 11:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
oud ijzer is het. Thanks and look forward to your comments. Lourdes 11:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)


Just a note that I wasn't really criticizing you in my comment. Was only annotating where I got a good chuckle out of an otherwise longish humorless day. GMGtalk 13:34, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi GreenMeansGo :D Good to know that. I was waylaid by your edit summary of "Unhelpful comment". Nice to see you around. Cheers, Lourdes 14:05, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Dropped in to say thanks![edit]

Hi, Lourdes - thank you for taking the time to edit & source Milyang No clan. Spirit of criticism is a prolific editor of clan categories and articles, and after a quick review of the work, it appears some guidance may be needed regarding WP:RS and WP:V. I know it's a bit much to ask of you, but would you take a look at them and help Spirit of criticism get them properly sourced and written? I would do it myself but I only speak English and a bit of ranch Spanish. 🤠 The only symbols I know come on branding irons. 𐂌 🐮 8-) Thank you for all you do to make WP a quality encyclopedia! Happy editing. Atsme📞📧 14:40, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Atsme hi!!! Unfortunately, I too have no grasp of the Korean language/culture or anything close to it. I just did some extra work on the article and was fortunate to get some material. While I'll take a look at Spirit's contributions, I'm not sure I'll be much help (if knowing the Korean language or culture could have provided an advantage)... Thanks for your gracious withdrawal of the Afd nomination. Cheers, Lourdes 15:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

What doesn't link here[edit]

Saw this at Help Desk and have installed it. I have always wanted this to save manual searching. (I didn't even know about the linksto in Search - I believe WMF is planning to add a menu with these options to Search sometime). Thanks for the script. One suggestion, what do you think about shortening the name so it fits on one line in the Tool box like everything else (at least all the ones I currently have). MB 15:49, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi MB, how you doing! And sure, why not; suggest some good shorter name. I kept "What doesn't link here" as a direct play on the title "What links here". I also thought about "What links here (Not!)", but thought it would seem to borat'ish. Anyway, suggest away. Warmly, Lourdes 15:53, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Well if it were positioned right under "What Links Here", it could just be "And Doesn't" - but I don't think that is possible. I don't have a suggestion for anything I really like. Maybe "What doesn't link" or "Possible Backlinks". MB 16:51, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
"Possible backlinks" actually sounds good. Let me also give it a thought overnight and try to come up with some alternatives. Thanks, Lourdes 16:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
MB, I've changed the name to "Possible backlinks". You'll have to delete the old script and reinstall the new script as described at User:Lourdes/Backlinks. Thanks for the quick feedback. Warmly, Lourdes 02:44, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of members of the Lok Sabha (1952–present)#Split proposal[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of members of the Lok Sabha (1952–present)#Split proposal. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 22:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Sure Jd22292. Have left my comments. Thanks, Lourdes 02:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Van Diemen's Land v Port Phillip, 1851[edit]

I suggest to nominate Van Diemen's Land v Port Phillip, 1851 for TFA for 11 February which is possible now. Do you and Sarastro1 agree? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Gerda, how have you been doing? All well at your end I hope. It's been long since I chatted up with you. TFA for 11 February sounds great. I thought you had already nominated the same? Do correct me if I'm wrong. Warmly, Lourdes 08:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Lourdes, thank you, - yes it was pending, but I forgot when they introduced that I have to ask before nominating someone else. I am mostly fine, no health problems right now, - just the thought that I abuse thank-you-clicks is disturbing (I use them A LOT, to express fast support with an edit I like), but I have my ignore button to get over it. How are you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Oh I am sure Sarastro also will agree. I am doing very well Gerda. It's always sweet to have you drop by. Lourdes 08:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I nominated, you are welcome to support, and needed to shorten the blurb ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks Gerda, I've tried to tighten the blurb too. <3 Lourdes 16:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Definitely OK with me. Sarastro (talk) 21:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


Sorry for my edit,,, Lord Butthead i mean Lourdes — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:44, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Well, your attempts at calling me names apart, it's good you stopped vandalizing after one attempt; continuing such behavior will result in an eventual block. If you need help in understand how to edit productively on Wikipedia, do ask. Lourdes 14:29, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays[edit]

Snowflake macro (Unsplash).jpg Happy Holidays
Wishing you a happy holiday season! Times flies and 2018 is around the corner. Thank you for your contributions. ~ K.e.coffman (talk) 02:19, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi K.e.coffman, that's so nice of you to remember to wish me. ❤️ and wishes for a lovely time during these holidays. Have a great time, Lourdes 04:36, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year[edit]

Rockefeller Center christmas tree cropped.jpg Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 2018!
Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into Wikipedia. God bless! Onel5969 TT me 02:42, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Oh my these are wonderful wishes. Thank you so much for remembering. A very merry Christmas and a beautiful new year to you too. ❤️ Lourdes 06:21, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

  • Davey2010, Merry Christmas to you and your family too. Hope you have a beautiful and peaceful new year!!! ❤️ and wishes to all, Lourdes 17:10, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas !!![edit]

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This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

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  • Hey Cap, it's wonderful to get your wishes. All the Christmas cheer and love for you and your family. ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Lourdes 13:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Ad Orientem, this is the season for me to get such beautiful wishes! My love and season's cheers to you and your family on Christmas. ❤️ always, Lourdes 18:44, 25 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2018![edit]

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Hello Lourdes, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2018.
Happy editing,
Chris Troutman (talk) 00:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

  • Hi Chris, it's absolutely lovely to get your beautiful wishes. I hope you and your family are doing well. I also hope Christmas was wonderful. Loving new year wishes for you and all close to you. Lourdes 09:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Backlinks for complex article names[edit]

I enjoy using Backlinks to find missing links. Thank you for providing it.

It is possible to add quotes on the article name when it has characters such as "-" ? My test case is Stratford-sub-Castle. The generated search finds too many:

Stratford-sub-Castle -linksto:Stratford-sub-Castle

but if I add quotes the results are better:

"Stratford-sub-Castle" -linksto:Stratford-sub-Castle

Wire723 (talk) 13:19, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Wire723, good to know you enjoy the script. That's a nice suggestion you've given. I've implemented it. Do test it out and tell me if it works. Love and wishes for the new year, Lourdes 15:09, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
The change works well. Thanks again. Wire723 (talk) 18:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Unnat Jeevan by Affordable Appliances and LEDs for All[edit]

Thanks for fixing this article at AfD! I've removed the deletion proposal. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure Elliot321. Thanks for withdrawing the nomination. Lourdes 02:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

American Cinema Editors page[edit]

Hello, I updated information about Tim Porter, the winner of the 2017 award, as it was missing. Not sure why you don't suggest that it was a constructive addition? It would be great to know how to amend it so that it is!

Thanks, Littlemikebush p— Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlemikebush p (talkcontribs) 12:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Littlemikebush. I noticed the addition of a spelling mistake in the first word, which seemed unconstructive. Thanks, Lourdes 12:37, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for adminship[edit]

I have replied why I want to be an admin in the question 1. I recommend to transclude my nomination request on the RFA page.--Mark Linton (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Nope Mark. I won't. Your Rfa would be not successful. Neither do you have significant experience in maintenance areas, nor is your nom statement credible. Please don't take this otherwise – your work at Wikipedia is otherwise net positive. Read the link I've left on your talk page, gain experience in maintenance areas, and re-apply in a year or two. Thanks, Lourdes 14:15, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Mark Linton: None of what you say you want to do as an admin (Q1) requires the admin toolset. I agree with Lourdes, particularly the advice to read the page she linked on your talk page. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 14:49, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear Lourdes[edit]

To my understanding, you are utilizing this platform of information distribution to consider my work to be skeptical. Pleased be advised that despite of the research that is done in regards to Raymond Scott a/k/a/ Benzino, please be advised that I have personally worked with him, collaborated with him. as well as worked to ameliorate his standing in music, more than many other contributors that provide on Wikipedia. In somewhat terms, it makes me feel agitated, if that is the right term to use. This source of communication is prominent on the basis of freedom of speech, and unfortunately, I do not appreciate when someone is attempting to police me what is right and what is wrong. You may not even know him and his family personally, but does that not matter to you? This information policing should be negated from such sites. In all, I hope that my article would continue to be present and not deleted. Best wishes to you and your family good health and wealth. More Life and happy new year. Regards Taz — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tejsodhi (talkcontribs) 18:14, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

(by talk reader) @Tejsodhi: You do not have any freedom of speech on this website. Please leave Wikipedia if you cannot respect Wikipedia's Terms of Use, policies, and guidelines. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2018 (UTC) this is the trace of the mixtape — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tejsodhi (talkcontribs) 18:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

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Van Diemen's Land v Port Phillip, 1851 scheduled for TFA[edit]

This is to let you know that Van Diemen's Land v Port Phillip, 1851 has been scheduled as today's featured article for 11 February 2018. Please check that the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 11, 2018. Ealdgyth - Talk 16:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Hi Ealdgyth. Hope you're doing well. Thank you for the note. I had already updated the proposed blurb. Will look into the article once again. Warmly, Lourdes 19:15, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations on this! Although TFA day can sometimes be stressful; I'm never sure whether it's better to have a lot of people reading it and lots of interest, or for it to pass quietly without drama. Sarastro (talk) 23:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Sarastro1, hello. It's always such a pleasure to see the talk page notification mention that you've left a message. How have you been doing? My love and wishes of the new year for you and your family. Thank you so much for the congratulations. But let me be absolutely honest – the day you reached out to me offering to lead this article's development and the FA lessons I learnt from you thereon, are more cherished by me than the article coming on the main page. I don't deserve these congratulations – you do, as always. Thank you once again. I'll drop in by to chat one of these days. Again, ❤️ and new year wishes. Most warmly, Lourdes 01:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for "the first first-class cricket match to take place in Australia, although that is more of a quirk of history as the concept of such games is rather anachronistic. However, it was a grand occasion and the first cricket game between two colonies/states in Australia."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

That's for you Sarastro. Thank you Gerda, on both our behalf. Lourdes 14:50, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I wasn't around much for TFA day. Life is scarily busy at the moment! But it seemed to pass without too much carnage. Congratulations again, and you do deserve them. The article wouldn't have happened without you and your research. Sarastro (talk) 22:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you :) Lourdes 07:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Good luck[edit]

I was very happy to see your RfA! I had been meaning to email encouraging you to throw your hat in the ring: you’re more than capable of advanced twinkle use Face-wink.svg. Anyway, best of luck. Also, always will be good to have another SWAT member. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Tony :) Lourdes 03:28, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

All the best![edit]

I hope your RfA would be successful this time and wish you all the very best for it. Dial911 (talk) 03:56, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Dial. I hope so too. Warmly, Lourdes 04:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Good luck[edit]

..and well done. I won't echo my supporting vote too much, but the humility and ability to accept criticism is what's going to make you a great admin - TNT 09:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks There'sNoTime, your words are too kind at the RfA. Lourdes 09:43, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Best of luck![edit]

Glad to see another throw their hat in the ring! ~ Amory (utc) 13:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Amorymeltzer; I hope I at least get the hat back, at the end of all this :) Good to see your question. Lourdes 13:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
And thanks for the absolutely lovely words of support. Couldn't have got more or asked for more. Lourdes 13:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Congrats. I think your hat got lost so you won't be getting it back, but perhaps your new one will suffice? Grey fez white W orange button.svg ~ Amory (utc) 12:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Amory; you're the best. Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Signature code[edit]

Hi there. I noticed you use

<small>'''[[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color:black">Lourdes]]</span>'''</small>

as your signature. This seems problematic because due to the placement of the tags, the span-tag closes after the a-tag. It should actually be nested. Alternatives could be:

'''[[User talk:Lourdes|<span style="color:black"><small>Lourdes</small></span>]]''' which produces Lourdes


<b style="color:black">[[User talk:Lourdes|<small>Lourdes</small>]]</b> which produces Lourdes

The latter is shorter but provides a stronger signature on this page because of the way the software bolds self-links. The first alternative produces the same output as your current signature but keeps the code correctly nested and within the link. Regards SoWhy 08:28, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

SoWhy, noted and changed promptly. Thanks, Lourdes 04:33, 24 February 2018 (UTC)


The Good Heart Barnstar The Good Heart Barnstar
Two things I've learned are that a) Admins come in a number of varieties. There is not a one-size fits all model. b) On many issues, good editors can disagree and it doesn't make sense to turn those disagreements into fights because we're all on the same side, really. Your comment really struck me. Although I still agree with the substance of my disagreement, upon reading your comment I instantly regretted what I had said. I honestly wish you the best of luck being an admin. Wikipedia benefits from your efforts here. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:57, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


Thank you for stepping forward to serve the project in new ways. Have a safe trip. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Cullen328. Thank you for supporting too. Lourdes 07:09, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I got quite a laugh from that![edit]

Shitpot Fry here to say that I laughed out loud over that, and blushed a little too! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Ha ha. You're a good sport.Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Your request for adminship[edit]

With 207 supporters, Lourdes' request for adminship is the first to succeed in 2018 (image courtesy of Linguist111).

Greetings Lourdes, I have closed your request for adminship as successful. Congratulations for both your successful nomination and for your place on WP:RFX200 - an impressive feat! As always, the administrators' reading list is worth reading and the new admin help pages are most certainly available if you feel that you might require some practice with the tools in a safe environment prior to applying them elsewhere on the project. Good luck! Acalamari 02:51, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Congrats, Lourdes! First (and hopefully not only) successful RFA of 2018. Best of luck with your new tools - don't hesitate to ask me anything Face-smile.svg GABgab 02:53, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Your question was a killer at the RfA.I loved answering it. Thanks GAB for that and for this message. Lourdes
Indeed, welcome to SWAT. Good place to be :) Also (as above), should you need any help with advanced Twinkle, feel free to ask, but I'm sure you'll figure it out fine. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:01, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I love the SWAT acronym :)I'll surely reach out to you, GAB or other admins for assistance. Thanks Tony, Lourdes
Congrats on your promotion! Lepricavark (talk) 03:18, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, you'll make a great admin! Congratulations! Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 03:20, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • When I saw a support from Jjjjjjdddddd and then immediately from Hhhhhkohhhhh, I was wondering what's up :D Thanks Jjjjjjdddddd. Lourdes
  • Felicitations on your passing RfA. Take it slow for the first few days while you figure out where all the new buttons are and what they do. And feel free to ask any of us for help. I think you will be a great asset to the team. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:24, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes Ad Orientem, I shall surely do that. I'm thankful to you all for accepting my RfA. Thank you Ad, Lourdes
Congratulations, Lourdes! :-) Rehman 13:28, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Congratulation for having your tools removed in record time! Face-grin.svg Seriously though, congratulations for a well-run RfA. This place will be better because you have to tools. I'm glad you stepped up to serve. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:56, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
:D 78.26, I'm not sure they're going to give it back to me. Lourdes
They probably won't unless you ask.... Please do. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 13:17, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
I shall, after this initial phase becomes calmer:) Lourdes 02:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
I join my fellow Wikipedians to congratulate you for passing the RFA. Wikipedia needs more people like you holding the mop.--Jetstreamer Talk 16:48, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you Jetstreamer. I appreciate your support in the RfA and your query too. Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations on becoming 2018's first new admin! LinguistunEinsuno 19:49, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • As someone said on this page Linguist111, hopefully not the only one. Thank you for your query in the RfA and your subsequent support. Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Missed out on the BN drama, although I thought the request was highly unusual but it was understandable after reading the explanation. My sentiment is along the lines with Beeblebrox. Congratulations, and take care. Alex Shih (talk) 05:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Alex, I hope I don't end up creating any more like that...Phew :) Lourdes 07:35, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Congrats!!!S Philbrick(Talk) 18:52, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, it's so nice to hear again from you. Hope your travels were comfortable and the family doing well too. Congratulations again to you too for the great news. Love for the same, Lourdes 02:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
Congrats, Lourdes! You'll make a great admin. Centibyte(talk) 13:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you Centibyte. Warmly, Lourdes 14:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Congrats! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:58, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The ed17, the beer's on me! Thank you :) Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

A brownie for you![edit]

Brownie transparent.png Congratulations for your successful RfA! Its great to see new admins coming in! L293D () 03:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
  • L293D, thank you for the tasty brownie :) Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Are you online RIGHT NOW? — xaosflux Talk 04:32, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

See section below. — xaosflux Talk 04:49, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Here's a celebratory pint for you! Congratulations on your RfA passing! TheSandDoctor (talk) 04:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks; I'll share the pint with you TheSandDoctor. Thanks once more. Lourdes
Thumbs up Face-smile.svg --TheSandDoctor (talk) 03:59, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Your request at BN[edit]

I've processed the request you made at BN, when you return please start a new section on BN for re-flagging. Please note, there is a standard 24-hour hold from request to fulfillment. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 04:49, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Xaosflux. I'll follow that. Lourdes 03:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
"welcome back"! — xaosflux Talk 17:48, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
:D Thank you Xao Lourdes 18:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)


Congrats on the A-ship!!

I've just started doing some new page reviewing; I've done only half-a-dozen or so, (I'm a bit cautious about it) but I noticed that the feed contains unreviewed pages from 10 years back, or longer. I've reviewed some but then thought there might be a reason why there are a number of ancient entries? I'm concerned I must be missing something! Case in point is Kanam which had been loitering since July 2006. It's a very short article but 'typical' of many articles about the Sub-Continent. Any observations (about that or 'generally')? Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 13:49, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats Eagleash.
You're right; there are some ancient entries that have remained unreviewed for ages. One reason is because reviewers (for example, like me) skip articles that we're unsure of (for example, on topics that are niche), hoping someone else might review them later – and they simply remain unreviewed for long. Till last year, the page notice at the top of Special:NewPages contained the legend: "Please consider patrolling pages from the back of the unpatrolled backlog." for all editors. Since January this year, the legend is shown only to editors who have the new page reviewer right.
Over time, I've developed a detrimental habit of only checking the recent entries – I expect other reviewers might have this habit too (the pressures of raking up a good CSD rate, etc). Anyway, this is an issue that doesn't have any fix, except in the plain old way, which is to go back to the end of the list and start from there – which is what you seem to be doing nicely. Hope this provides you some basis.
Other than this, how have you been doing? Hope all is well. Warmly, Lourdes 18:14, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I meant to reply before this but somehow it got pushed down the list of things to do! Thanks for encouragement. So far no-one has bobbed up and said 'you're doing it all wrong'. One thing I've discovered about the very old pages is that they are sometimes the subject of a very slow, very long, edit war. They get merged or redirected, someone reverts and they end up on the review list again. (That's what happened with Kanam...there was also an ancient merge disc. at the TP which I closed...actually before I realised what had happened!) I also find myself copy-editing or fixing articles when I come to review them and I'm not sure I should be doing that at that time. All helps though I suppose.
All is not too bad at the moment but RL was a bit of a nuisance a lot of last year. I really should get back into creating actual content again sometime! Best regards, Eagleash (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
That's an additional information for me, about the old pages in the review. I'll keep my eye out for such articles too. My best wishes as always Eagleash. Warmly, Lourdes 01:18, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your apology. :) I harbor no grudge and wish you a successful adminship! Acalamari 19:04, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Acalamari. Lourdes 06:32, 2 March 2018 (UTC)


Administrator Lourdes, I come to you with a question. I have recently transformed WestJet Encore, an old article that was a little longer than a stub to a 5x expansion and DYK appearing in about 30 hours. Recently, there was an edit by User:WestJet. Note that the user's name is not Westjet, but WestJet.

WP:USERNAME is a Wikipedia policy, not a suggestion or a guideline. Part of the policy, stated in a box, reads "Usernames that only contain the names of companies, organizations, websites, musical groups or bands, teams, or public internet channels or creative groups are not allowed".

I want to look the other way and ignore the violation of Wikipedia policy. What should be done? Leave it alone and only selectively enforce policy, which may be seen as unfair? Or instruct the user to change username? I sort of like the WestJet name. As you can see, I put a lot of effort into the WestJet Encore article. Can you provide guidance and take over the matter? Or should the policy be changed?

Vanguard10 (talk) 04:34, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I've requested the username be blocked; I've warned the user to adhere to our paid editing policy and conflict of interest guidelines. If there's any further promotional edit, feel free to talk me up. Lourdes 06:10, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Vanguard10, the account has been blocked as of right now. The user has been advised to choose a username that adheres to our username policy and to make edits only after they follow our paid editing policy and conflict of interest guidelines. Thanks, Lourdes 14:15, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your guidance. I'm not a newbie but still learn things about WP. A few days ago, someone pointed out a better way or correct way to do things in DYK. I hope that even a soft block does not create anger.
One problem I see with the policy is that it makes people go into hiding. If the user was being paid (not clear cut now) but edited under the user name of Eastprop (east not west, prop not jet) or Lardes2 (not Lourdes), nobody would suspect a corporate link (if there was one). Maybe it might be better to ask people to just admit or disclose a link. Vanguard10 (talk) 17:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
Vanguard10, our paid editing policy does precisely that. But irrespective of the policy, a username that promotes the name of a business is unacceptable; and that is why the soft block instead of a hard block. A soft block allows them to change the user name; a hard block doesn't allow that. Lourdes 01:20, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Vanguard10, just so you know, I'm not sour or anything (the unblocking was fairly quick) but I'd thought I'd clarify in case you couldn't see the discussion on my talk page. I don't represent WS, I am also not paid by them. According to Lourdes, I've made about six edits over a decade to WestJet related articles. Most of which were style or vandalism related (like capitalizing Westjet to WestJet). I started editing as an IP account, but realized that making a user name was better. I did this in like 2006, and I would have been like 16-17 and in high school. I don't know what WP:USERNAME was like back then, but I didn't think it would be an issue almost ten years later. I also had the WestJet username on YouTube before WestJet actually took it over. So, hopefully that helps you out a bit. MattBinYYC (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
Matt, I've replied on your talk page. Thanks, Lourdes 02:32, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Your adminship[edit]

Hello, as the person who does most of the maintaining at Wikipedia:Former administrators, could I ask when you plan to request your adminship be reinstated? I was planning not to add your adminship to the lists and wait until it was re-added to record it because (a) adding a user is work that is avoidable when adminship will be re-added again soon, and (b) I have no idea how to classify your situation. There have been some subsequent desysopped admins for activity which is why I'm asking now. If it were up to me, I'd prefer that you get your adminship reinstated as soon as possible. Thanks! Graham87 09:08, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Graham87, I've seen you around and admire the work you do here. I'll be requesting reinstatement at the BN at the earliest possible, but due to a combination of time-consuming RL work and some lined-up performances, I can't put a finger on which date exactly would it be. I don't know what should be the next step for you, but if you wish to add my name to the former admin list, please do so. Once more, all my admiration for your work here. Lourdes 09:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your kind words. Since I have time at this moment, and you're not certain when exactly you'll be able to request resysopping, I think I'll deal with the desysopped admins list now. I'll add you under the "resigned" section, because that would most closely match your situation. Graham87 11:09, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
I, Tony the Marine, present you, User:Lourdes with your adminship. Pilot her well!

Belated congratulations![edit]

I've just returned from a lengthy WikiBreak so missed your RfA in its entirety - I just want to say congratulations, you've come a long way in the last year or so and I have every confidence in you as an administrator! OcarinaOfTime (talk) 20:44, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

OcarinaOfTime, I'm grateful for your kind words. Thank you. Most warmly, Lourdes 02:44, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations![edit] you WP's newest admin. Best Regards, Barbara   23:41, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Barbara (WVS). Appreciate your wishes, Lourdes 02:46, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

It's time for User:Lourdes/PageCuration to go into the Wikipedia namespace[edit]

Hi Lourdes! I have a few things I'd like to discuss with you regarding the PageCuration script you made. First off, it can't go without saying that it's an awesome script and it's great that you created it! My observations however, show that it's become a widely-used tool and that it's become part of the Page Curation workflow because of how it's discussed and on the guideline pages how it links users to use the tool. Because of this, I think that it's more appropriate to have this page hosted on the Wikipedia namespace now instead of your userspace - it just keeps the use of out different namespaces consistent. I wanted to ask you about it first, but I was hoping to move the page to Wikipedia:PageCuration script (or something like that) and point all of the links to the script to point to there.

On another note: while I was checking out the script in-depth, I noticed that User:Lourdes/PageCuration didn't have much of an edit history at all (just two revisions), and also found out that the full edit history is located instead at User:Lourdes/tempPageCuration as a deleted page. We need to undelete that page and merge the edit histories of this script to your live one in order to keep the histories public and in one place. Did you make a copy and paste move? Why / how did this become fragmented? Either way, this needs to be resolved and that edit history put back together ;-).

I like to ask if you'd be okay with me if I got all of this done for you, or if you had any objections to doing this and (if so), why. The script page should be moved to the Wikipedia namespace to be consistent with the others, and that edit history should not be fragmented and deleted like it is now - that we actually need to fix.

Let me know when you can; I'm thinking about fixing the edit history in the meantime just to get that done - but I'll wait for a bit just in case ;-). Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:35, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and I forgot to tell you this earlier: Congratulations are in order for the successful RFA promotion. Your RFA did a hell of a lot better than mine did... lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:41, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
That's why I hate you. :D Thanks for the congrats. It's great to see you on my talk. Hope you're doing well and all is going well in life Oshwah. With the Page Curation thing, sure, go ahead and do what you think is best – I'm okay with what you've said. Just one small note. With respect to your history merge thing, I might be wrong but I suspect you might have got the wrong page; in other words, there's the documentation page which you have linked above, but you might be interested more in the actual js page. I mean, it doesn't make much sense to hist merge the doc page – but I'll go by your discretion. If there's anything else, please do mention. Most warmly, Lourdes 06:47, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
What can I say? You're not alone - a lot of people hate me here... just look at how often people trash my talk page ;-). Okay, perfect - thanks for the information. I'll look at the .js page, the documentation page, and take another look at the deleted history at User:Lourdes/tempPageCuration and make sure any fragments or issues are merged and fixed (if applicable). And I'll get this moved over to it's new home! Thanks for the approval - I'll get this all taken care of for you. Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:54, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Sure. Great. Thanks, Lourdes 06:55, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Alright! It's all done! The edit history that was deleted were of the documentation page, so I restored the page, merged the edit histories, and moved it to Wikipedia:PageCuration script. The location of the actual .js javascript (User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js) won't be moved, as doing so would break the import function call that everyone is told to put in their .js pages (since they won't find anything anymore), and hence the script would stop working for everyone on Wikipedia. We just wanted to move the documentation page over so that it's in the same namespace as the others... you know... consistency, yadda yadda, and all that stuff.... ;-). Thanks for letting me fix this up - we're all set to go and everything is much better now :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 07:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Sounds super. Thanks once more, Lourdes 07:24, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Actually, you could move the script and leave a importScript-code at the old location, so the current transclusions won't be affected. But that's a matter of preference really, many scripts still reside in userspace after all. Regards SoWhy 16:58, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clickair destinations (2nd nomination)[edit]

I see that you closed this as a non-admin closure, but you are an admin. Even if you are on a break? I think you get to close as an admin now. Prince of Thieves (talk) 14:41, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

I think it's matter of hats...if one is wearing one's admin hat, it is an administrative closure; if one is wearing one's non-admin hat, it has to be a otherwise. Unless one get's one's hats mixed up of course, and then it becomes a bad hat. Or, as the Murphy's law law of hats would have it: if one wears a sou'wester, the sun comes out, and if one wears one's Kiss Me Quick hat, it will turn cats and dogs... *hic* Cheers! —SerialNumber54129...speculates 15:14, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Not her fault — the code in User:Evad37/XFDcloser detects whether the user is part of the sysop user group, and makes its determination based on that. ~ Amory (utc) 15:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah the wonders of automated help :) Which is curious because I use one of those tools that highlights admin signatures and Lourdes lights up as an admin, that's how I noticed. Prince of Thieves (talk) 15:15, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Prince, I keep changing my signature, so the aqua background might give you that impression (check out my new one with a new font at the end of this statement). Amory and Serial are right by the way. Apart from the fact that Serial is absolutely mad when he's drunk :D Lourdes 16:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Just happens to be the admin highlight color! Appropriate I think :) I will say the new font looks better. Prince of Thieves (talk) 16:04, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Lourdes 16:05, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi Lourdes, to follow up on Wikipedia:Edit_filter_noticeboard - if you really want to get an WP:EFH flag for viewing we can continue that section - it has a normal 3 day discussion time; or an WP:EFM flag with a 7 day discussion time. Just asking for your +sysop flag back would solve everything as well and would be done in 24 hours, despite any of the discussions regarding your initial flag/defalg scenario I don't envision any actionable opposition will be met and encourage you to go this route. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 14:14, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I fully support you just taking your sysop-flag finaly, gosh darnit! Face-wink.svg Regards SoWhy 14:22, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Xaosflux, thanks for enquiring about the efh thing; that's very gracious of you. I think I'll take the ef rights along with the sysop rights when I go soon enough to BN rather than continue at the WP:EFN. Once more, thanks for asking. Lourdes 14:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, yes SoWhy. Will do soon enough. Hope you're doing well, Lourdes 14:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Well, clearly not soon enough for the rest of us! ~ Amory (utc) 17:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
As I write, we're almost a quarter of the way into 2018 and have de facto recruited no admins. I recently made this comment (in relation to the end of ACTRIAL) that if we don't do something, we're going to need more admins at NPP, but admins do not grow on trees. I would highly recommend running full-speed to WP:BN and saying "NPP is suffering from post-ACTRIAL junk; may I have the tools back please". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes of course Ritchie, Amory. I would necessarily do that; just require some more time to sort out RL work and will be on it right after that.❤️ Lourdes 03:04, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
Ah, but what you are really missing out on is being able to see gems like Ianism, and the other redlinks at User_talk:TonyBallioni#Recent_A7s. Whatever anyone says in their RfA, Special:Undelete is the best part of the bundle. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:21, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh my, that's two decades of delight. Be sure to read both versions, your life will never be the same. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 17:27, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
Title conflict, we're going to need to disambiguate that in the deleted archives :D — xaosflux Talk 19:40, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
 :) :) I know what you guys are up to Smiley green alien nerdy.svg Lourdes 02:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
One day you will get to learn the deep secrets of what some trolls think other people taste like too! — xaosflux Talk 03:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

TFL notification[edit]

Hi, Lourdes. I'm just posting to let you know that List of Indian Premier League seasons and results – a list that you have been heavily involved with – has been chosen to appear on the Main Page as Today's featured list for April 6. The TFL blurb can be seen here. If you have any thoughts on the selection, please post them on my talk page or at TFL talk. Regards, Giants2008 (Talk) 22:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Giants2008. That's lovely. I would have preferred 7 April if it is possible. Warmly, Lourdes 00:26, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunately, April 7 is not possible. TFL runs only on Mondays and Fridays, and April 7 is a Saturday. The 6th is the closest available date to the one you requested, which is why I chose it. Giants2008 (Talk) 12:30, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
@sedrouL, why was 7 April particularly significant? (Can't see a reference to it the article itself, that's all.) —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap shit room 12:34, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Serial, the tourney starts on that day. Giants2008, 6 April is a great choice too. Thanks, Lourdes 16:56, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks and update[edit]

  • Giants2008, I'm pleased to see the number of per day views for the TFL cross 17000 views, that too one day prior to the actual listing. It's right now listed on the main page and I'm intrigued to see how much will be the jump in views, because of this listing. Interesting, the TFA on the main page has reached around 300 views per day, one day prior to the listing. The past TFL reached 1000 views or so on the day of the listing. The Charlize Theron filmography listed before that reached 16000 views on the day of the TFL listing. So I guess there is anyway a generally growing interest in the tournament in India, which is leading to the high number of views for this TFL. Anyway, just thought of sharing and thanking you once again. By the by Serial Number 54129, this year I'm going to watch this tournament on the net to understand it better. Lourdes 04:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Just a note: The TFL reached 26,800 views on the day of the listing and 69,360 views one day later. Probably the highest views for any TFLs in a long time. (yay!) Lourdes 03:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Giants2008, another nice record for our archives of most viewed lists: this list got 247,417 views on 27 May 2018. Take that :D 16:58, 29 May 2018 (UTC) Lourdes


Go be an admin and do admin things. We didn't spend several man-hours on figuring out whether you would be okay with the bit for you to have an extended period of self doubt. There's work to be done. Go do it. GMGtalk 00:31, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: I have concluded if Lourdes does not want to be an admin, there's no point forcing her at (metaphorical) gunpoint, so I have been looking for other new recruits elsewhere to help control the post-ACTRIAL flow of CSDable pages. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Hmm.... what about groveling? I'm a good groveler. GMGtalk 12:07, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Look, I'll tell you what, you know your nice friend, that maligned force of nature, the international Wikiterrorist known as Mr. Fuzzybottom - let's put him forward. How are you for this Sunday? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:17, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Eh. He's way too aggressive with A7s. I mean, I understand his perspective, but nominating Hope and Empathy for CSD is just crossing the line. GMGtalk 12:22, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes, but he might write Practical Unix Terrorism and make a DYK out of it. [12]. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 12:27, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: That suggestion had me going there for a moment. Even had me checking contribs and being momentarily confused...before chuckling as I realized the joke and re-read your post here. Good one Ritchie333, you had me going there for a second Face-grin.svg. Had me going at the DYK part too --TheSandDoctor Talk 05:30, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
  • I mean, thanks for the thanks. But the only thing we expect you to do is to use whatever access you have to help us make more knowledge more free for more people. If you weren't doing that already we wouldn't' have given you extra buttons to begin with. You don't have to be right all the time, and you never will be, but being right isn't the point. The point is that this is damned well sure gonna be the encyclopedia that my daughter will read. So for her sake, help us make it better together because now you can in a way that you couldn't before. GMGtalk 23:05, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Yes I will do so GMG. In good time once my RL work is over, which is hindering my logging in too. Lourdes 16:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Your close on ANI board[edit]

It's not about the content dispute it's about editing etiquette, the admin in question doesn't give enough time or a fair account to other users. It doesn't matter who is admin or not, I wanted a reply that treats another as an equal with respect instead of ripping up an article one that works with it, can you please review your outcome. Govvy (talk) 13:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes I have reviewed the same. Warmly, Lourdes 03:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Can't hide in the opposes[edit]

Grab that banhammer, Lourdes! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
I've fallen, and need you to pick me up! xaosflux Talk 17:25, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

I can still find you and tell you to get thee to WP:BN, Lourdes with a 0. ~ Amory (utc) 21:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

+1 TonyBallioni (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
(watching) I could give two good reasons why this repeated refrain may not be best for the project. Two possible outcomes—neither one wanted. i) Lourdes does indeed go to hand in the tools for good, and we lose an admin. ii) Lourdes does indeed go to BN, gets the tools back...and then proceeds to never make an admin action for the rest of their career, and we effectively lose an admin. Or—call it iii)— we remind ourselves that WP:NODEADLINE applies catholically, and that que sera, sera...and someday ("O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!") we might just find ourselves a new and improved, all-blocking, all-protecting, all-mopping our service. Ymmv of course. Happy days! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 09:57, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
no Disagree . I mean, yeah, I get it. Still, she is by all accounts a good sysop, and if she closes just one AfD as delete, the project will be improved. Honestly, I just wanted to mock her for the link thing some more. Also, you're doing links wrong. ~ Amory (utc) 15:30, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
As long as I'm here, I might as well comment on your RfA question. I do that myself sometimes, and I think my rationale (self-deprecating, inject some humor) is similar to GMG's, but it wasn't ever made clear to me that it might be confusing for others. At this point I'm not certain it will convince anyone to oppose or support (we've got bigger fish to fry), but I do think it's helpful to understand the editor and I do appreciate it being noted. I'll certainly try for fewer of them, or at least make it clear I'm talking about myself. ~ Amory (utc) 15:30, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
Amory, your views are always quite appreciated by me. I understand the point you're making about my query. With respect to the else above, Chris, Tony, Amory, of course, I will go to BN and regain the tools in good time. There's no doubt about it. And Serial, you'll always be my fav for backing me up :) L0URDES 17:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
On a side note, will you settle on a signature anytime soon? Face-tongue.svg Regards SoWhy 12:26, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
:D Lourdes 16:50, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Y'know, maybe all WP:SWAT members should use SoWhy's signature style :) Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:55, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
That would require my changing from the default, which isn't happening Face-wink.svg TonyBallioni (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Can't hide in the supports either. This may be GoldenRing part 2, but what we really need is you to don the One Ring Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:40, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
But if Tolkein had said, "Actually, lads, that bling to bind you is really WP:NOBIGDEAL"—it wouldn't have been much of a story would it...although it certainly would have increased your baggage allowance if you ever wanted to take as hand-luggage though. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 12:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Huh, LORDes, you managed to thank me at the exact same time of me coming up with the idiotic idea of adding this:
Mop.png You are a remarkable editor in many ways. You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and appear to be well qualified have already passed RfA! You personify an administrator without tools, and have gained my support; already!
Having already performed a miracle, you are eminently qualified be Our Lord Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:18, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Oh my, Galobtter thank you again. I'll be there on the battlefronts soon enough and look forward to interact with my friends and other admin colleagues on administrative work. In good time, as I've mentioned earlier. ❤️ and a penny for your cheer. I_0urclc5 19:35, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
So I actually found that "Adman" page the other day, and it's not at all what I expected. I thought'd be about how sysops without the perms are sysops, and had intended to clean it up and send it your way, but alas. Although I do believe I've discovered an inconsistency in our policies as a result! ~ Amory (utc) 00:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Signature again[edit]

Hi Lourdes, I just wanted to point out that for those of us using Preferences | Gadgets | Appearance | Strike out usernames that have been blocked, the latest iteration of your signature makes it look as if you could be blocked. This may cause well-wishers a slight perturbation: Noyster (talk), 12:01, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

(watching) Well,at least there's no danger of them blocking themselves at the mo :) :D —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 15:53, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Noyster. I've just been messing around. Now that you know I'm not blocked, if you do want me to remove the strike through, please do tell. And hey Serial, how've you been? Lourdes 17:19, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Per WP:SIGLINK you should, however, keep a link to your user/user talk pageGalobtter (pingó mió) 17:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Sup Lourdes. All good: notwithstanding a healthy dose of SNAFU of course. Got that FA eventually. That was certainly an experience :) talking of which—if I can pick your brains—you know tech stuff, heh? Hope your well there. Bloody annoying atm: the schools have broken up for a week, which means, on the one hand, a bit of peace and quiet from that school over the road, but on the other, the curry house has stopped doing its weekly discount. WP:BALLS :D Take care! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 17:43, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations on John Mowbray, 3rd Duke of Norfolk. Wow! And best of luck with the rest :D I_0urclc5 04:43, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
It waz OK :) But don't suppose you know an answer to this, do you? —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 15:35, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Serial, unfortunately nope. I'm not that savvy with the coordinate map thing. Lourdes 04:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
And why are you not running for the RfA now? Lourdes

Hey Lourdes, to reiterate: per WP:SIGLINK you must have a link to either your user page or user talk page in your signature, especially as a quasi-admin. If you don't, you may end up actually blocked, which nobody would want (not a threat, just a joke about how this thread started). Your recent edit on RfA didn't have a link - but your edit immediately before did. Are you manually adding your signature instead of using the four-tilde trick? Because that would explain a lot of things. ansh666 18:53, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey ansh, you're right. Enough of messing around. Will fix the signature. Thanks, Lourdes, 18:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)
No need to stop the fun, just be a bit more careful. Cheers, ansh666 20:34, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Definitely agree on needing more humor, but you won't like the rest of this[edit]

If only RfAs here too follow the path of the WikiVoyage one. Maybe, but I'll note that he actually did janitorial and sysop-related work at Wikivoyage before that RfA, so in some sense that was the more appropriate case. I don't think the community suddenly shifted to "autropatrolled+10k edits+3 years without a block" but, if we have, so be it. Beyond humor, there is one thing I think we could start working on to be more like that Wikivoyage one, and it should be pretty easy. His RfA there was really an afterthought; it seems a bureaucrat just unilaterally flipped the bit 24 hours before the RfA even opened. I don't know if we can go that far, but I can think of at least one user who could have a 'crat flip the bit just as easily. Perhaps you know her? ~ Amory (utc) 10:22, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Ha ha. This is a typical Game Theory situation for both of us. Let me put the ball in your court. For a moment, let's keep the arguments of whys and why nots aside. If PBS' RfA is closed as successful, you'll have one new admin whom you did not support. But if you reconsider your oppose, you'll have two admins, one whom you support and one whom you don't. Come on, choose well Amory. I_0urclc5 14:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
Let me break the game theory; I will agree to switch to oppose if Amory switches to support. Face-devil-grin.svg Face-tongue.svg (no backsies, Lourdes Face-smile.svg)Galobtter (pingó mió) 14:53, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Super Mario Effect[edit]

Re: User talk:Andrevan#Good faith unblock suggestion

In videogames, The Super Mario Effect is as follows: When Mario gets a power up that turns him into Super Mario, a mistake that would normally kill him as ordinary Mario simply turns him from Super Mario to ordinary Mario, then he has to make another mistake to be killed. Likewise when an administrator does something that would get an ordinary editor blocked, he is desysopped, turning him into an ordinary editor. Then he has to do something else wrong to be actually blocked.

In my opinion administrators should not get special treatment. Some want to punish them more lightly, and some want to punish them more heavily, but I think all editors should be treated the same if the offenses are the same. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:02, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Guy, yes, I understand. That's a fair point (and a nice analogy). Warmly, Lourdes
Guy, I concur with you. I think it's getting better though. On the other hand, have you ever been in the army? When a private soldier does something bad, he gets jankers for a day or two. An NCO doing the same thing just gets busted down one stripe (but it takes longer than a 'standard offer' to get it back). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:20, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
I was very high on the lottery for the Vietnam draft when the war ended, so I just missed it. I had the usual attitude towards being drafted. Years later when my opinions changed and I tried to enlist, they wouldn't take me because by that time I was considered a key employee in the defense industry. So zero time in the Army, years of time working directly with military units on various bases (not always US bases) in exotic locations.
Ideally, if the private has to clean the latrines for a week for a particular offense, an NCO or a 4-star general should have to do the same whether or not he gets demoted. That's pretty much how they do it in the Japan ground self defense force. I am beginning to see this here; admins getting short blocks for minor infractions that would have resulted in the same short block for anyone else. I wonder if my wide publicizing of the Super Mario effect had anything to do with that. (The actual effect is described at Super Mario#mushrooms; if anyone knows who first applied it to Wikipedia admins, I would like to start giving credit for that insightful observation). --Guy Macon (talk) 14:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)


...if my block log disappointed you. It disappoints me too. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

I think you're one of the most mature editors here BMK. I've seen your comments around and although I disagree with your points of view in many places, including RfAs, I would tend to think you're RfA material. Of course, your block log was highly unexpected (honestly) as I couldn't have expected you to be edit warring. Am sure sometimes situations arise that lead us to such reverts. Would really like you to be careful going on and not get blocked again (but don't take this as any advice from me to you – because knowing your experience, you obviously understand). Love, Lourdes 10:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks much. Beyond My Ken (talk) 10:30, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Amita Chopra[edit]

Hi, I have just tried to clean up Amita Chapra. I notice that it went to AfD in late 2016 and that you cleaned it up at that time. The notability criteria was deemed to have been met then because she held a post with ministerial rank but in fact none of the sources in place at the point of your completing the clean verified that claim. I realise it is ages ago but am I missing something? Aside from mirrors, I cannot find anything to substantiate it and she seems to be little more than a party apparatchik who sometimes gets her name in the news, of which there are many hundreds in every India state for each party (and you wouldn't like to imagine how many parties there are!) - Sitush (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey Sitush, hope you are well. I've added a ref. Do check it out. Thanks, Lourdes
Hi, in 10 or 11 years of intensive editing of India-related articles, I have never seen that source before. I don't think it is reliable and am pretty sure that they have copied the info from us. Minor plagiarism of this type is extremely common in the Indian media, even with huge newspapers such as The Times of India. I have even searched Hindi government records, such as are available online, and can find no support for it. - Sitush (talk) 03:51, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Actually, The Print has only existed since August 2017 - see here. That itself makes it dubious because it has not had time to build a reputation. - Sitush (talk) 03:53, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Well, I don't agree. Founded by two apparently most respected editors Shekhar Gupta and Barkha Dutt,[13] with investments from Ratan Tata and Nandan Nilekani[14], with The Print's news and opinion appearing in other reliable sources,[15][16] it seems quite reliable. If you believe that they've copied info from us, that makes a better case than considering The Print as unreliable. Your call. Lourdes
If you visit RSN you will see a current thread about the WikiJournal of Science. That, too, has some notable people involved with it but the consensus is going towards "not reliable" because it is too new. I am 95% sure that if I took this to people like RegentsPark and SpacemanSpiff then they would say it isn't good enough, especially bearing in mind the number of sources that just refer to her as a member. The consequence of that, of course, is that the article would almost certainly be deleted because she is nowhere near meeting NPOLITICIAN and, indeed, pretty much every source we have is a soundbite relating to the same event (again, the Indian media often copy from each other without attribution). - Sitush (talk) 04:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Then take the source to WP:RSN and get more feedback. My suggestion would be that you would have a better chance invoking WP:EXCEPTIONAL, saying that a "cabinet minister" is an exceptional claim and needs to be backed by multiple reliable sources; and there is only one source that claims the same. If someone lands up with more reliable sources, you can take a call then. Lourdes 04:11, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
That's a fair point about EXCEPTIONAL although it is rather astonishing that there most definitely are virtually no online sources that mention it in either language, let alone ones that are not mirrors etc. I really don't want to be bothered with RSN unless absolutely necessary because India stuff rarely gets much input there other than from people such as myself and the aforementioned. Might be easier just to return it to AfD and see what people find there - I think they were misled last time due to the appalling quality of the article at the time of nomination and the use of non-English sources. I know you tried to fix the problems during the AfD - it is just one of those things. Will have a think and a last dig around, although I'm not hopeful because I've even search phrases such as "madhya pradesh state womens commission" and the best I get is "member". - Sitush (talk) 04:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher)W.r.t the Indian politico-legal scenario, I'm pretty sure that the puffed statement meant that by the virtue of her position as the Chairperson of the State Women's Commission, she is eligible to the same entitlements as that of a cabinet-minister.Given how powerful the post is, I don't doubt that but trying to establish notability by bringing her under the purview of NPOL, (as a cabinet-minister), is IMHO way exaggerative.WBGconverse 04:58, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

I have opened a thread at the article talk page, which is what I should have done in the first place, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 05:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

No problems. Lourdes 07:17, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Borderline case[edit]

Hello Lourdes. You've commented in one of the complaints currently open at WP:AN3. You're an admin it appears you are not directly involved in the dispute. If you had to close the case yourself and propose a rationale for your action, I'm curious how you would state it. For me it's still in a gray area, but obviously something's going on and I wish there were an admin action I could take that could be easily explained and justified. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

You're right. I would probably tell the user that we're letting him off this time and that they should then calm down, discuss before they revert, and not get antagonistic all around. (The response from the user would probably be, "No, block me!" I don't know what to do then). Lourdes 17:14, 21 June 2018 (UTC)


Lourdes, if possible, could you kindly support me for Administratorship. fredericknoronha (talk) 13:18, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Hey Frederick, please first read Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates. Also, please give me an idea of what admin areas you are interested in contributing to, and what might be your past experience in these areas? Thanks, Lourdes 17:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Lordes I need your help[edit]

you said I could add a reference to Botswana getting transgender rights in 2017 on the 2017 in LGBT rights but I can't because this other user named Mathglot said this when I asked them if I could do this: No, you cannot use Wikipedia as a source in a footnote on another page. Since anyone can edit it, Wikipedia is not considered a reliable source, for the purpose of referencing. Lordes can you help me please? Sphinxmystery (talk) 00:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I can. Tell me if you still need assistance. Sorry for delaying this reply; RL work and stuff, you see. Lourdes 06:11, 8 July 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg
Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

  • Love you Gerda, you're the precious one. Lourdes 06:10, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
    Yes, also, of course. - Now it's three years, and read my talk today, on Kafka's birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:03, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

OpenGL User Interface Library[edit]

The OpenGL User Interface Library redirect you have created makes no sense due to WP:SURPRISE. Please resolve. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Djm, do clarify please on why the redirect "makes no sense"; and also where would you suggest the redirect should be pointed to? Warmly, Lourdes 15:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • There is no mention of the subject of the redirect on the target, so no redirect can make any sense. Which is why I said keep. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 16:12, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
(watching) But no-one else did, hence the redirect :) —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 16:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @SerialNumber54129. I am not finding this funny and that comment is not helpful. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
@Djm-leighpark: I don't make many jokes around here, and that certainly was not one of them. I was merely trying to break the truth to you in as gentle a way as possible. But for clarity, I will rephrase: The article was redirected because the closing editor weighed the comments made and concluded that there was an editorial consensus that the page had insufficient notability to bear a stand-alone article and that the community had decided, per WP:ATD-R, to redirect the page. Three editors, !voting "Redirect", based their !votes on policies and pages (WP:N, WP:V and WP:UNDUE spring to mind); one—you—did not, and was unable to persuade the community to agree with you. You might have better luck arguing for a re-opening based on the fact that one of the editors has subsequently been CU-blocked; but I doubt it would materially affect the outcome, and indeed, doing so might attract more editors to the AfD and reach an even more unassailable result.
I hope that clears things up. Take care and happy editing! —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 17:54, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
  • @SerialNumber54129. Unless you are in hidden conversions with Lourdes it is impossible for you to know Lourdes' mind, though I appreciate you you may well have interpreted Lourdes' actions correctly. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Lourdes passed an RfA owing to—at least—two things: an impeccable understanding of consensus, and a demonstratable and proven track-record to illustrate it—really, I was merely suggesting that with that close, we received an object lesson in it. Anyway, no worries. I imagine we've caused them enough Scary Scary 'New Message' Alerts for one evening :) All the best, —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 18:38, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

"Non-admin closure"[edit]

Hi Lourdes. I hope you're doing well. I see you've been active around admin-related areas recently, and you've annotated a few of your closures with "non-admin closure". Well, that's not really the case, is it? If I recall, the reason you requested removal of your administrator tools was because you were planning on traveling somewhere with limited Internet access. Now that you seem to have a stable Internet connection, as well as interest in participating in admin areas, how about taking up that mop? It is still up to you, of course, but given your recent contributions, I'm a little confused as to why you haven't done so already. Thanks! Mz7 (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello Mz7, hope you're doing well. True, I've been marking "non-admin" given the status of not being an admin. However, my current one week of free time – which gives me some opportunity to dabble into closing AfDs – will soon come to an end. Once I'm through with my RL shows and performances of the season, I'll be surely taking up the mop. Thank you and good wishes, Lourdes 20:10, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Ah gotcha. See you around, Mz7 (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Subject-specific guidelines[edit]

Ambox warning orange.svg Wikipedia:Subject-specific guidelines, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Subject-specific guidelines and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Subject-specific guidelines during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. � (talk) 06:43, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Reopen Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mystery Case Files: Ravenhearst Unlocked[edit]

Hi, I don't participated and i would like to say my arguments for deleting or keep. 1. The game was already in a discussion of deletion, and it have no consensus Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mystery Case Files: Key to Ravenhearst so the current discussion is useless and have reason and must be merge with the previous one. 2. Sure is not notable because wikipedia hate the Casual Playing, so for them no casual games are notables and the sources for this kind of game is not reliable. But for the Casual Playing sphere his notability is medium but not great. 3. I understand that the more recents games are not concidared notables, but the 9 firsts games are totally notables. 4. There is not notable because the of the prejudice of casual playing in the world. (talk) 17:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Bizarre close?[edit]

You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of web browser engines (typography support) as "no consensus" – despite the fact that there was not a SINGLE !vote for deletion in the relisted debate! And to make matters worse, you stated "no prejudice against an early re-nomination"...

The discussion should have been closed as either WP:SNOW keep, or just keep, in either case with no prejudice to a merge discussion on the talk page. And if anything, you should have cautioned AGAINST renomination of a page that nobody seems to actually want deleted! Modernponderer (talk) 11:18, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) On the contrary, there were policy-based !votes to keep delete, draftify, and merge: that does not in any possible way = a keep result (and as for a SNOW keep-!). FYI. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 11:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Serial Number 54129, I am not sure why you decided to restate what I had already written, just with a strange interpretation. The only possible result was "keep" because there were no delete !votes. The process is articles for deletion, not articles for discussion! Modernponderer (talk) 11:38, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for spotting today's deliberate mistake ;) now see above for my answer to your original question. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 11:42, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Serial Number 54129, there were no !votes to delete in the discussion I'm referring to. There is one delete !vote on the page, but it is the result of an improper relisting: after a WP:DRV decision to relist, you are supposed to create a new deletion discussion – old ones should never be reopened.
Furthermore, even if there had been an actual delete !vote the result should still have been "keep", just definitely without the "snow" part in that case. Modernponderer (talk) 12:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Moderponderer, hope you're doing well. Let me address your query in the perspective of each !vote given sequentially post the deletion review re-listing, as listed below:
  1. "Draftify" by Hut 8.5, has been supported by a valid reasoning, and I have considered the same appropriately.
  2. "Speedy keep and move" by you has no policy or guideline basis; I have given the !vote appropriately less weight.
  3. "Keep and fix" by DGG, has no policy or guideline basis; I have given the !vote appropriately less weight.
  4. "Merge" by Pmffl; there are personal opinions given on why the editor wishes the article to be merged; so I have combined the editor's original nomination reasoning and the additional reasoning to accept the !vote.
  5. "Keep but encourage merging" by SmokeyJoe has no policy or guideline basis; I have given the !vote appropriately less weight.
  6. "Merge" by SMcCandlish; no policy or guideline basis; I have given the !vote appropriately less weight.
  7. "Keep" by Newslinger has policy and guideline support; I have given the !vote appropriately higher weight.
Therefore, in my view, considering "draftify", "merge", "keep", I see no consensus emerging as to what actually should be done with the article. No prejudice against the renomination is to give credence to the draftify and merge opinions of the two editors whose !vote I've accorded higher weight. Feel free to ask me for further clarification. Thanks, Lourdes 11:57, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm definitely asking for further clarification, as I would like to know why in the world you have decided that almost all of the keep !votes have "no policy or guideline basis". Modernponderer (talk) 12:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello Modernponderer. Because they have no policy or guideline basis... I can further link to our policies and guidelines, but that would seem patronising, and I really don't want it to look like that. Thanks, Lourdes 12:08, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
You have essentially discarded !votes claiming that they have "no policy or guideline basis", and then refused to explain what you mean by that... and the vast majority of said !votes just happened to be on one side of the debate. Very well, that is your prerogative as the discussion closer.
But you should be aware that the discussion is subject to being bounced back to DRV again now, should I (or another editor) decide to do so. So you may have just created significant, and entirely unnecessary, work for your fellow Wikipedia editors. Modernponderer (talk) 12:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Ok. You should then read up on our policies and guidelines, because I feel you have very less idea of how Afds work; and you'll be wasting time taking this to drv (there's no deletion that has happened here); or maybe you meant something else but in your hurry wrote drv. Whichever way, please read up first. Thanks, Lourdes 12:40, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't know, maybe just a lack of experience? Up until that point, five AfD votes in as many years tells, I guess. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 13:53, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
You might want to recheck the badly broken tool there, User:Serial Number 54129 – as it doesn't seem to handle username changes, it's worthless for any sort of statistical analysis. Next time please check a user's contributions manually before writing something like this.
And overall I don't appreciate the borderline personal attacks from both of you, as this has nothing to do with me and everything to do with how that discussion was closed. Modernponderer (talk) 17:55, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
Um. It kind of has something to do with: Your interpretation of the close. —SerialNumber54129 paranoia /cheap sh*t room 19:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Serial here. There is no borderline or otherwise personal attack. You asked for clarification; and the summary response is that your understanding of Afds is limited and not enough to even understand the clarifications being provided. That said, I'm ready to support you in improving your understanding of Afds and how they work. Lourdes 04:30, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
((_*_) Buttinsky) @Modernponderer: You argue that a possible outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of web browser engines (typography support) was "WP:SNOW keep", but that is not the case. Potential snow keeps are typically discussions such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grass skirt, where there is an overwhelming consensus to keep, often, as here, after only a few days. (The discussion is interesting for other reasons.) I agree with you that the appending of NPASR is perhaps unusual insofar there was a clear consensus to retain the material in one way or the other either as a stand-alone article or merged into one or more targets, and should any dispute arise, such a dispute is solved through a MERGEPROP rather than a new AFD.
That being said, XFD discussions that are closed as "no consensus" default to "keep", please see Wikipedia:What "no consensus" means, so, are there good reasons to take this AFD to DRV for the second time and try to get the closure overturned to "keep"? Would mentioning that the (dear) closer overlooks Excelsiorsbanjo's unbolded keep !vote make a difference or is it cancelled out by the fact that SMcCandlish's merge !vote was guideline based (WP:CONTENTFORK) and therefore should have been given more weight? What about the unusual situation that nominator changes their mind and !votes "merge" without posting a formal WP:WITHDRAWN? Your own "Speedy keep" vote is misunderstood: speedy keep is only possible (a) within the normal minimum discussion period of 168-hours, see WP:SCLOSE, if (b) one of the SKRITS apply; here we are well beyond 168 hours and no criterion applies. "Speedy keep" should not be confused with "Strong keep" which in itself is a !vote of some debate, please see WP:AIYR.
The article has already been moved as you suggested to Comparison of browser engines (typography support) by Newslinger, and Excelsiorsbanjo has made an update in Special:Diff/852090702/852474076. Isn't time best spend with continuing that work? All the best, Sam Sailor 16:27, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

Ross Mathews[edit]

About [17]. Cfred is the mediator? How can , or how are you saying it doesnt matter. He looked over the edits. He said what was the problems. That specific info had to be in the citation. He made sure of that. I then added to it with more sources( parade, as well as a hometown Washington newspaper). I am going through episodes of "Hello Ross" so I may cite specific episodes of where he says/shared what as Cfed said the spific info has to be in that source. 2601:155:8300:1659:F551:3B17:414B:8B8F (talk) 12:16, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Take this discussion to the talk page of the article. Don't cross WP:3RR. You'll be blocked for a longer time than you were blocked just a couple of days ago. Lourdes 12:47, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Question about usage of blockquotes in citations.[edit]


You reverted my revert about blockquotes in the citations of Rent control in the United States. (Just saying this so you remember who I am.)

In the article: Costa–Hawkins Rental Housing Act, an editor new to the article went through and removed all of the blockquotes in citations; there were 9 sets total, 3 put in by me (because as I said before, I think it makes it easier to read on mouse-over), and 6 put in by the original author of the article. (Most if not all was written by one editor, Elfelix ). That editor used citation blockquotes in some places and not in many others. Is it acceptable/normal practice to use blockquotes to accentuate text you WANT people to read in the references? I was under the impression that people don't read the references sections, and only see them when they mouse-over to look at the source of specific statements.

If this IS the norm, than I would think new editors (to an article) shouldn't be deleting citation blockquotes en masse like that, without understanding why the original author chose to accentuate those quotes.

Your opinion/advice? Thanks!! ---- Avatar317 (talk) 22:10, 21 August 2018 (UTC)Avatar317

Slight correction: The new editor removed ALL blockquotes, including the ones in the text section, as well as the ones in the citations. ----Avatar317 (talk) 22:18, 21 August 2018 (UTC)Avatar317

If it's okay, could we take this discussion to the talk page of the Rent Control article? Warmly, Lourdes 10:14, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png For the great answer to Q8 at Kudpung's admin survey. Enterprisey (talk!) 02:55, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you![edit]

I have responded to your comment in the Candace Owens talk page! Paul "The Wall" (talk) 12:54, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Great to see[edit]

that you've re-taken your bit:-) Happy mopping! WBGconverse 09:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Blades...don't she just look good in blue :) ——SerialNumber54129 09:41, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
WBG, Serial, thanks so much :) Lourdes 10:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Status confusion[edit]

Am I only cleared for patrolling new pages or can I approve an old Draft:David M. Lubin? He holds what appears to be a named chair, satisfying WP:ACADEMIC criterion 5 (and that was in the article when it was rejected previously). Another question: When deciding notability, do we just go by what's in the article or what we can dig up? Because I've found a number of significant reviews of his work, e.g. in The Washington Post, Literary Review, and various other publications, which would satisfy WP:AUTHOR. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Clarityfiend See WP:AFCPURPOSE; anything that would be used to determine notability at AfD you should use in accepting, so those reviews are relevant. (also, have you got the AfC helper script installed yet? once you've installed that you should be able to easily accept that draft) Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Clarityfiend hi and hope you're doing well. As your name has been added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants, you are allowed to approve drafts. The new page reviewing right was additionally provided to you. And yes, what Galobtter says is right. Please ask again if anything is unclear. Thanks for volunteering at the Afc desk. Warmly, Lourdes, 08:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:51, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

"Final discussion before blocking you"[edit]

Hi, Lourdes. I see you have given a user an ultimatum at the 3RR noticeboard.[18] Good idea, IMO. But I strongly advise you to put the warning on their user talkpage as well. There may come a point when you need to be able to show they were aware of it. (Always safest to don the admin braces as well as the admin belt.) Regards, Bishonen | talk 15:15, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

Absolutely Bishonen. Hope you're doing well. Lourdes 18:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
You know, even with quotes around the heading, one still has to do a double take when seeing it one's watch-list...:) Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm one for the startling edit summary, I admit it. It might have been more fun to leave out the quotes. Bishonen | talk 21:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC).
:D Lourdes 02:08, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


The Firemonger Article is at AfD and the talk page appears deleted by yourself 13 Oct 2018 (If I understand correctly). I'm not sure has has happened but should the talk page be restored. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:22, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I had another look. I suspect you did an soft delete close on 13th october, realised with 3 mins 168 hours had not run ... and then undone it within 3 mins but didn't restore the talk page. (NB: Prefernce/Gadgets/Appearance/ .. ticking Add a clock to the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC and provides a link to purge the current page ... can help. ). OK ... one of those things but please restore the talk page .. thanks... Djm-leighpark (talk) 02:08, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Yes, and yes. Lourdes 07:42, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

You want to close this?[edit]

Hello Lourdes, and thanks for your work at WP:AN3. Do you want to close the dispute about Lady Amelia Windsor? Juanpumpchump hasn't clearly accepted all your conditions, but it's now too late for them to self-revert anyway. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure EdJohnston, done. Lourdes 18:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Problems with counting?[edit]

Hi, cant you count whos closer to 3rr, or who started reverting that Fiat joke? I canr believe wikipedia is full of kids , who get some satisfaction with old automaker jokes -->Typ932 T·C 19:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Typ932, hope you're doing well. I've left a reply at the noticeboard. Warmly, Lourdes 01:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Im doing ok, there was no concensus that we add jokes automobile articles, you didnt said why you ddint warn mr Davey who start that edit warring , he start reverting it at 1st place, there was no concensus that we start adding jokes to encyclopedic articles , I started discussion AGAIN in WP:Automobiles about the case, if we allow one joke there will be more jokes to other car manufacturer articles also -->Typ932 T·C 06:01, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello again, Why I did not warn Davey and only warned you was because you were the one repeatedly removing sourced material without initiating discussions on the talk page, despite multiple editors telling you otherwise; this is considered disruptive. Anyway, as discussions have started at the talk page of the article in question, you should continue discussing this issue there. Ping me for any administrative assistance you may need. Cheers, Lourdes 06:13, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
In my opinion and some others aswell we dont need jokes in wikipedia sourced or not , this is enclopedia not fun book, thats why I removed them straight away, and because this same thing has happened maybe 5 times earlier, they will be removed in future , some people just dont like those blatant attacks, there is much more wise ways to tell if some had quality problmes or something else problems than write jokes about it. For example is there jokes Volkswagen emissions scandal ?, no because we try to keep wikipedia as no-nonsense encyclopedia. There is other media for those jokes -->Typ932 T·C 06:36, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure. You should discuss this at the relevant talk page. Thanks, Lourdes 06:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
This is relevant because this concerns your behaviour (read that heading) not the the actual article problem, because you warn wrong people, if you are administaror (or something else) you should know certain things, and not warning people based on your own opionion or without knowing whole story. thanks-->Typ932 T·C 06:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, I repeat my warning to you again. If you attempt to remove that material once more without reaching consensus on the talk page, you will be blocked immediately by me. So please tread very carefully from hereon. If you believe my view is inaccurate, you're free to ask for a review of this at WP:ANI. Warmly, Lourdes 06:52, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I warn you again dont be stupid , someone else will revert it thats for sure , there is quite many people who dont like jokes or blatant attacks in wikipedia . btw your behaviour isnt suitable for admin, its not nice to threaten people, without any reason, I think we dont need anymore discussion about this case, but this should give you something to think what you are doing right or wrong. bye -->Typ932 T·C 06:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Oh, I act stupidly many a time, still working on that. My behaviour as an admin too is not something that should be benchmarked. I agree with you that it's not nice to threaten people without any reason; of course, in your case the reason for the warning is quite clear, and it's for your betterment that you should not edit disruptively again. Cheers again, and happy editing (constructively), Lourdes 07:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Warning is clear? wtf you are talking about? Im not so stupid you think Iam, bye again , maybe you dont need add nothing more here (no need to answer those questions) .. -->Typ932 T·C 07:25, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Keep calm, carry on. Once again, good bye, Lourdes 07:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Peace Barnstar Hires.png The Barnstar of Diplomacy
For your calm and patient approach to everything - I don't quite know how you can be so patient but it's certainly a good trait to have and you should be proud! :),

Thanks again and thanks for all of your contributions to the Encyclopedia :),
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 02:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Hey Davey2010, waddup! I clearly have to learn a lot more in patience (one of my, perhaps my only, role model in patient discourse is Drmies). Thanks for the lovely barnstar. Lourdes 02:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Me, patience??? Drmies (talk) 02:21, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
      • :D I meant patients. You discourse patients regularly, don't ya Lourdes 02:22, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Kate Fischer article[edit]

FYI : Majikalex32, who you just blocked for 24 hours, is now continuing to edit war on this article and refusing to engage in any sensible discussion. It is very tiresome. Can you please look into this. Thanks. Yahboo (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

please check the 'talk' page. it is me who its trying to discuss this rationally. I am being bullied and both Curdle and Yahboo are refusing to let me add to the article at all.... even if the material I add is brief, to the point, accurate and referenced correctly. yet Curdle seems to be able to totally re-edit the page at will.. but I need 'consensus'? the consensus needs to be democratic, not just irrational..'we are not going to let you edit' mentality/. I welcome an independent moderators intervention. Majikalex32 (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

The second edit this user made on their return was to the Kate Fisher article, where they began reinstating their previous edits, without discussion and against previous consensus. They then appeared at the BLP Noticeboard, (where I had posted trying to gain input about the article from other editors) where they began again implying I have a COI, and again attempted to refactor my comments. They have been repeatedly edit warring on the article itself and repeating their personal attacks there.Curdle (talk) 17:45, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

  • EdJohnston is leading the discussions on the editor's talk page. So we'll see how that goes. Thanks, Lourdes 18:09, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

so why are you deleting my entries on the wiki page about this persons recent arrests by Police Curdle? wy do you not think this should be included on her bio? just curious as to your reasoning behind this. the entries I have written are short. accurate. clear. well referenced. curious as to why you want them removed? this is why I wonder if you have some form of COI... you seem to just want this page to be squeaky clean. I tried to discuss with you tonight on the talk page. you couldn't even give me a valid reason you just come to places like this and accuse me of abuse or edit warring. well if my entries are valid leave them alone. stop editing them and deleting them and I wont have to revert them. you are just trying to get me blocked or banned again so you can once again have complete ownership of the page. Majikalex32 (talk) 18:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Majikalex32 if you continue to dramatize your unawareness of Wikipedia policy on multiple pages, including User:Lourdes' talk page, you may get blocked as a general nuisance. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 18:32, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

I am a new(wish) editor. how are you meant to learn about these things unless you are told or shown. I posed a reasonable question above. its not meant to be a dramatisation. Majikalex32 (talk) 18:35, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Sockpuppet block evasion on Kate Fischer[edit]

Hello again. Can you please have a look at the recent editing of this page. It seems very obvious that a very "new" editor is our repeatedly disruptive friend seeking to avoid his/her current block. There is also apparent sockpuppet editing on the talkpage by another very "new" editor. It is all a bit ridiculous. Thanks. Yahboo (talk) 11:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Cc to EdJohnston Yahboo (talk) 12:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Yahboo, as the warning on your talk page says, you'll be blocked very soon if you don't stop edit warring. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong in a content dispute; if you continue your reverts once more in such a manner as you did today, I will block you. Consider this your final warning. Lourdes 13:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
And for your concerns, I've started Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Majikalex32. Lourdes 13:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
It's a great pity that you didn't take this matter seriously and take action against the blatant sockpuppetry instead of leaving a warning on my page for responsibly reverting the sockpuppet's edits. Not good enough from an administrator. Yahboo (talk) 14:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Hello Yahboo. I've opened a sock investigation, as mentioned above. Let the checkusers check this out. I need a confirmation from you that you will not cross 3RR again and you will not edit war again (I'm surprised you did), failing which, I will block you to prevent disruption. Thanks, Lourdes 14:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Unfortunate that you ignored the warning here. I've blocked you for 24 hours. Please desist from edit warring once you are unblocked. Thanks, Lourdes 14:07, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Thankyou for very much for starting the SPI- Should have done it myself but never having done one before I was a bit intimidated. And also thanks for the warning last night, it reminded me I was being a bit of an idiot and getting a bit carried away, and that it would be a good idea to stop editing and refuse to engage when suspiciously socklike new users started pinging me from the talkpage today. Sorry to take up more of your time and talkpage, but just for future reference, if any dodgy looking new users/IPs start turning up at a later date and start making the same edits (this editor has disappeared then come back after a few weeks twice already and they seem rather determined), what should I do? should I request another SPI ?..I get worried that if I am wrong, it could be considered a bit bitey Curdle (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm watching the article. If you see any suspicious sock like activity, come here; I'll take care of it. Thanks, Lourdes 18:26, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Lourdes, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!


As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

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Edit War[edit]

Lourdes, Hi, I think it is the first time we've spoken. There is an edit war at Jeff Jacobson (CEO), I was going to post it...scope_creep (talk) 00:07, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hey scope_creep, the ip continued edit warring after multiple warnings. I've blocked the IP editor for 24 hours for now. Hope you're doing well, Lourdes 02:00, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi Lourdes, better now I think.:8-) Thanks very much. That land of nod was calling tonight. Still is. To sleep, perchance to dream, To meet the dawn that's on the way. Night.scope_creep (talk) 06:21, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Imma silly girl to be a fool; you didn't play the golden rule; cause once you're done with one world; there's another waiting there.... Lourdes 19:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
You found it. I thought it was my wee secret. I'm showing my age. ;) scope_creep (talk) 19:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
And I mine ;) Lourdes 04:46, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring[edit]

Consider this your formal warning for edit warring at Template:Centralized discussion. I personally suggest that you tone down your crusade against the phrase "fuck off" for the time being as it is seriously clouding your judgment. Nihlus 14:01, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Nihlus, you should probably join the talk page discussions that I initiated and discuss the issue there. That might be procedurally more appropriate than investing your time here. Warmly, Lourdes 14:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
I already have. However, whether or not I join in the discussion in a time frame quick enough for you is irrelevant to your edit warring. Nihlus 14:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
That probably is evidence of your ignorance of procedural matters, where participating in discussions is primary to resolve editorial disputes. Irrespective, glad you finally joined discussions instead of blindly reverting. Please do continue discussions on the respective talk page. Thanks, Lourdes 14:26, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Excuse you? I get off of my computer for the night and you want to turn around and call me ignorant for not responding to you fast enough? Are you serious? This is laughable coming from an "administrator" edit warring before discussing and while a discussion is taking place. Nihlus 14:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
My apologies. I did not call you ignorant. I only called out your probable ignorance of procedural matters. Your belligerent response perhaps may be exciting you further. I’ll suggest to you to keep calm and carry on discussions on the relevant talk page. That should be more helpful to you. If I can help you in any other way, do please tell. Warmly, Lourdes 14:34, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
I suggest not calling people ignorant if you wish to not excite them further. Trying to sidestep it by saying "probable ignorance" is just as insulting and a borderline personal attack. Nihlus 14:40, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
If you feel insulted, my apologies. Have more self-confidence while conversing and self-respect while editing — perhaps that may strengthen you more than my words. Would you wish to continue discussions on the relevant talk page or dwell more on this procedurally incorrect mode of interacting here? Warmly, Lourdes 14:47, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
It's going to be hard for me to take this seriously so I will just move on. Have a good day. Nihlus 14:49, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure. I mentioned that at the start. You too, have a good day. Lourdes |

The Signpost: 28 October 2018[edit]


Trick or Treat!!!

Happy Halloween!
Why are demons and ghouls always together?
  • Because demons are a ghoul's best friend.

What happens when you goose a ghost?

  • You get a hand full of sheet.

Atsme✍🏻📧 01:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Ha ha ha ha; Atsme, Happy Halloween! Lourdes, 07:59, 29 October 2018 (UTC)


I appreciated your comment at WP:A/N. I had spent quite some time preparing a short response to you (and more or less to everyone who had disapproved of my RfC notifications) that I hoped would be included in my A/N post before it closed. Unfortunately, it is too late now.

I do understand now that it was a mistake to not repeat the RfC question word for word. Although I knew my summary question was not identical, I thought the core question was the same and that others would see it as the same essential question too--but I can see now that many editors clearly feel it was a substantially different question and that it was a mistake to take any chance that my wording would be objected to. I was quite surprised that I was taken to WP:AN/I and formally warned without even a request to correct the posts first. I would have corrected them if an editor had asked me to. Regardless, I learned my lesson about RfC publicity.

Again thanks for the RfC. The responses are as surprising to me as the AN/I was. --David Tornheim (talk) 13:25, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure. Thanks again. Lourdes 15:00, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
@Lourdes: Thanks for answering my additional questions. Regarding your responses to the last two questions, I hope you will review the responses of GorillaWarfare [19] and Fred Bauder [20] (and, perhaps, any other candidates who responded), and reconsider. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:59, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

Hello, Lourdes. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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GeneralizationsAreBad. Got it. Replying, Lourdes 23:24, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
  • A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
  • The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.


  • Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


It's about time! Glad to have you on the team again Face-smile.svg. --TheSandDoctor Talk 08:12, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks man; as you may have noticed a few sections above tsd since I took up the tools, I'm slowly mastering the art of assuming good faith :D How have you been? Hope all is well? Warmly, Lourdes 22:33, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
And this is lol of the top variety :D Lourdes 22:45, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


Hi Lourdes, please take care when updating MediaWiki:Watchlist-messages, each notice must use a unique cookie id and they can not be re-used, this control which messages continue to display when editors use the 'dismiss' function. (In this edit you used id 366 which was already scheduled for another message, so anyone who dismissed your message would also pre-dismiss the next one. I've cleaned all this up, since it was a future scheduled message there is nothing breaking.) When adding new messages always use the number from template at the bottom, then increment the number in the template for the next admin to use. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 18:11, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Will do xao. Lourdes, 14:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm disappointed to see how it closed. Here a "Civility restriction" was removed from an arbitration enforcement template, as "unnecessary". wbm1058 (talk) 01:59, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
wbm1058, before everything, I have to thank you for being so supportive all this while. If it weren't for your support, I think the RfC wouldn't even have been publicized properly. I wholly appreciate and understand your point of view about the close. At the same time, I have with due sincerity appreciated Mz7's close here.
Yes, Mz7 missed out the crux of the RfC's import in his close, which was the "repetitive usage" of the term. Nevertheless, I am honestly pleased with DGG's comments, which I quote: "Also. In particular , it should be of great help to future arb coms. I will call it to the attention of the committee on our list". That, in most ways, satisfies the purpose of this RfC.
Also, before this RfC, if I were to warn an editor for such usage of the "fuck off" term, I would have been properly hounded off by a specific group of editors. Now, there is grounded basis for giving escalating warnings and blocking editors who use this term, of course taking into account the contextual background. I am pleased! Once more, thank you wbm. Lourdes 18:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
You're welcome, Lourdes. Yes, I follow your interpretation. I think there's a clear basis for taking any disagreements over interpretation directly to ArbCom for a decision, since the community has decided that further "rules" and "bureaucracy" surrounding the matter are unnecessary. wbm1058 (talk) 21:06, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Civility Barnstar Hires.png The Civility Barnstar
Not minding the heat from people double downing in the RfC and even directing insults at you. Thanks! Pudeo (talk) 12:27, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Pudeo, thanks. Hope all is well. Warmly, Lourdes 18:51, 10 November 2018 (UTC)


You liked that edit? lol --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:23, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Absolutely man. To be precise, I loved the edit summary. Wouldn't have written it myself, but am thankful that there are editors like you who can call a nut a nut and tell them to buzz off. Thanks, once more. Lourdes 09:24, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm all for civility! I think it is important to be kind and civil... But if you're a dick, I'm not going to coddle you. :-p --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing)
Second that (and this, after hosting one of the recent RfCs on the topic). Lourdes 09:27, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
New best friend? lol --Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 09:32, 11 November 2018 (UTC)


to see your hat in the ring:-) Best wishes.....WBGconverse 07:35, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

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Hello Lourdes,

Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW
  • Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.
If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.
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Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fred Bauder[edit]

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fred Bauder. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fred Bauder/Evidence. Please add your evidence by November 27, 2018, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Fred Bauder/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, --Cameron11598 (Talk) 20:55, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

ArbCom 2018 election voter message[edit]

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Hi there again...[edit]

I just received a rather short but not particularly sweet message on my talkpage from an IP address; when I checked its activity in the hope of finding out what it was about, the only other edit it had made was to Yahboo's TP about Kate Fischer, so looks like someone is back. Doesnt seem to have posted anywhere else as yet though. Curdle (talk) 17:22, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Now that you've reverted the same, ignore it for now Curdle. If it happens again, tell me. Lourdes 17:28, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Will do...hopefully they have had their fun now. Thank you. Curdle (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inspire Brands[edit]

Do you mind it I bold overwrite this outcome of redirect and restore the article? It is a multibillion corporation that owns Arby's, Buffalo Wild Wings, Rusty Taco and Sonic. It has purchased Sonic Drive-In for $2.3 billion dollars since the outcome of the AfD. Or do you prefer I open a DRV? That takes a lot more time. The discussion is on the talk page. Valoem talk contrib 15:41, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Inspire Brands[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Inspire Brands. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. I was going to wait for a response but a second editor jumped into the discussion forcing a DRV. Valoem talk contrib 17:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks re ArbCom Candidate Questions[edit]

Thanks for answering all my questions regarding your candidacy for ArbCom. I was a bit surprised by the answer to the last question. Based on your answer, I would think you would have rejected this case. Is that true? Do you think ArbCom should not have taken that on? Or do you see it as a different kind of case from my question? I'm asking here to keep it simple on your question page. --David Tornheim (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 December 2018[edit]

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).


Administrator changes

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Coulf you please review my AFCH req as i've already created more than 30 articles and have well knowledge about AFC, CSD & AFD. Regards, Azkord (talk) 20:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018[edit]

Hello Lourdes,

Reviewer of the Year
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This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

See also the list of top 100 reviewers.

Less good news, and an appeal for some help

The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640 holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.

Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019

At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3 December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.

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Merry Christmas![edit]

Rockefeller Center christmas tree cropped.jpg Wishing you and yours a Merry Christmas and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year 2019!
Hi Lourdes! Thank you for all the hard work and effort you put into Wikipedia. God bless! Onel5969 TT me 14:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Onel5969, Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and family. Love, Lourdes, 15:56, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year[edit]

Season's Greetings, Christmas Card from 320 Ranch.jpg
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year

Hi Lourdes, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your help and thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia,

   –Davey2010 Merry Christmas / Happy New Year 14:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Davey2010, happy holidays and season's greetings to you too. Merry Christmas. Lourdes 15:57, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas !!![edit]

Christmas Wikipedia-logo-v2-en.png CAPTAIN RAJU(T) is wishing you a Merry Christmas!

This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Cap, hope all goes good? Merry Christmas, Lourdes, 03:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Chrismouse:)[edit]

so, just where Chrismousies hidden?

Hi Lourdes, hope you have a great festive season. Coolabahapple (talk) 22:11, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

:D Merry Christmas Coolabahapple. Love the Chrismouse, Lourdes 03:05, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 December 2018[edit]

Merry Christmas![edit]

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Glad to see your name highlighted in blue ;) --TheSandDoctor Talk 07:52, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you TheSandDoctor. Happy Christmas and new year wishes too to you and family. I've actually tried to control the blue highlighting on talk pages by changing my signature background. It would though still show up highlighted if you see the history of any page or my contributions. Hope you are doing well. Love and wishes, Lourdes, 02:51, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and happy 2019![edit]

Merry Christmas and happy new year! I was happy to see you have a successful RfA during 2018. I hope you will edit more happily in 2019 Hhkohh (talk) 12:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Hhkohh. Merry Christmas and new year wishes to you too. Thanks for your wishes all the way, Lourdes, 02:50, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]

Wikipedia Happy New Year.png Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2019!

Hello Lourdes, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2019.
Happy editing,

Chris Troutman (talk) 18:13, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Chris, how have you been? Hope the new year brings a lot of happiness and peace to you too. Love and wishes, Lourdes, 02:50, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL. Since you had some involvement with the Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Nardog (talk) 04:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!![edit]

PS: Check your vote at the current RfA It might be in the wrong section (or maybe I missed the irony). Best regards. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 11:18, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Crystallizedcarbon, thank you and season's greetings to you too (my !vote is always in the wrong section; but probably not this time) :D; Lourdes 02:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

2 more sleeps[edit]


Happy New Year!
Wishing you a prosperous & happy New Year!!
Thank you for all the work you do on Wikipedia.

When does New Year’s Day come before Christmas Day?

Every year!

Atsme✍🏻📧 21:26, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

He he Atsme; I'm going to spin this one on my whole family for a week :) Happy new year to you too. Lourdes, 05:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Lourdes![edit]

Wow, what an image. Kudpung, happy new year and hope the new year is going good for you. Love, Lourdes 05:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – January 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

Guideline and policy news

  1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
  2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
  3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

Technical news

  • Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:
  1. At least 8 characters in length
  2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
  3. Different from their username
User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on
  • Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
  • {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.



  • Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
  • Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Gerda thanks for the beautiful wishes. Happy new year to you and the family too. Lourdes, 05:31, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! Please check out "Happy" once more, for a smile, and sharing (a Nobel Peace Prize), and resolutions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 12 January 2019 (UTC)


Many thanks for your kind words, they mean a great deal. GiantSnowman 12:01, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

AfD Thanks[edit]

Just wanted to drop you a thank you for this AfD close - while most admins are good at excluding votes when it comes the ultimate !vote, there's a general preference to default in these circumstances to a 2nd relist, even when consensus already exists. Tah for all :) Nosebagbear (talk) 11:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Nosebagbear. Lourdes 01:39, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

2nd RfD announce: Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL[edit]

There is another redirect discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 January 11#Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:34, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

I'll check it out Guy. Thanks, Lourdes, 01:39, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Lambley, Nottinghamshire[edit]

Thanks. I was feeling a bit hamstrung after having commented at the help page. Meters (talk) 05:49, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Your response was absolutely appropriate. I responded like that after noticing the IP had shooed away another editor by personally attacking them. Leaving another warning note on their talk page for that. Lourdes 05:50, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
No problem, quite right about the crematorium.Bmcln1 (talk) 19:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

The reply-link newsletter, issue 1[edit]

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The Signpost: 31 January 2019[edit]


The first time I saw this, I thought it was a script to force-load the PageCuration toolbar on a page. After trying, it turned out to be a script that adds a shortcut link of Special:NewPagesFeed to the sidebar. Its description at Wikipedia:User_scripts/List - "adds a Page Curation link to the top toolbar" is also slightly misleading because the link added is not for "page curation" but for a page which shows a list of new pages. Would you mind renaming the script to something more accurate, say NewPagesFeedShortcut.js, to reduce the chances of users becoming confused and disappointed after finding out the script isn't what they actually wanted? -- Flooded w/them 100s 18:10, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes/No (Yes, I do mind; no, please read Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help#New Pages Feed, which this script supports). Thanks, Lourdes, 02:47, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:User_scripts#User:Lourdes/PageCuration.js. -- Flooded w/them 100s 14:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Yet again...[edit]

...many thanks for your kind words! GiantSnowman 16:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).


Administrator changes

added EnterpriseyJJMC89
readded BorgQueen
removed Harro5Jenks24GraftR. Baley

Interface administrator changes


Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
  • Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

Technical news

  • A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.


  • Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Threaded discussion[edit]

This is just a heads-up that threaded discussion is not permitted at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GiantSnowman/Proposed decision. I've closed one of the sections you commented in, but the other one is still open in case the arbitrators or the OP decide to comment further. Your comments on the PD are welcome, but they need to be placed in your own section. Thanks. Bradv🍁 17:22, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, of course. Thanks for the heads up. Lourdes, 17:25, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Los Cerritos Elementary[edit]

On the above page, I am attempting to provide detailed information instead of a redirect. Please do not destroy my work again by nominating this page for deletion.

Thanks, Ruler120--Ruler120 (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)R120Ruler120 (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Ruler120, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Los Cerritos Elementary School. If you feel you have significant material that can be validated by reliable sources, please go ahead and recreate. But if an image of dubious copyright is all you have to rebuild the article, it's going to be probably immediately reverted to the AfD closure status, as was done by another editor. Please see wp:dispute resolution in case you end up in editorial disagreement with other editors. Thanks, Lourdes 02:45, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Archiving at Arbcom Notice Board[edit]

Hi Lourdes! I'm Cameron11598 and I'm one of the Arbitration Committee's Clerks. I've undone your archive at the Arbitration Committee's Noticeboard as a clerk action. Generally we (the clerks and the committee) let such discussions come to their own natural end provided they don't get too heated. Let me know if you have any questions regarding this action.--Cameron11598 (Talk) 04:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh no problems in that Cameron11598. (You probably meant to link the talk page here, and not the noticeboard page) Thanks, Lourdes 04:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the understanding! Dang! I always make that same goof. Good catch! --Cameron11598 (Talk) 04:43, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


I'm disappointed in your judgement Legacypac (talk) 04:16, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Likewise, I mirror your sentiments Legacypac. I'm disappointed at the time you and Godsy have made the community waste over silly and trivial issues. Absolute waste of time that has led to the community enacting an i'ban – and re-discuss it ad infinitum. And please stop leaving talk page messages that waste the time of administrators who resolve issues and make the community move on from wasting their time discussing these issues and focus more on editing. Lourdes 05:37, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Wasting time cleaning up after editors is their job duty though. It's like a janitor scolding the customer who spilled tea for not wanting to mop it. (talk page watcher) -- Flooded w/them 100s 07:21, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
More like a janitor scolding two customers spilling tea on each other and making everyone try to break them up, repeatedly. Lourdes, 07:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
And that response makes me even more disappointed in your judgement. It is almost like you acted without even reading up on the issue. Legacypac (talk) 06:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Well, you can of course get my decision reviewed at ANI. Beyond that, your disappointments hold no meaning or worth for the community or me. Please move on and get over it. Lourdes 07:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussion[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Softlavender (talk) 08:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

wt, Lourdes 14:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I lol'd[edit]

At first I was going to say that you brought me my morning smile....but it's the early evening here. Heck, it's probably morning somewhere or other. But in any case, I laughed out loud at this. Best deletion reason ever. Risker (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Risker, when I saw the notification that you had left a message on my talk page, I jumped out of my bed and thought that this time I must have screwed up absolutely big time :D Thank you for your message and I am glad at least someone enjoyed it (I was tired of leaving absolutely boring messages at AfDs; but yeah, no, not making a habit of leaving such messages) :D Hope all is good with you. Warmly, Lourdes, 01:09, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Your recent super!vote[edit]

<humor> In response to Special:Diff/885138323, I can't help but be reminded of this discussion - can I suggest being slightly less blatant in your disregard for WP:Consensus? </humor> Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 05:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Also, on a slightly more serious note, reading through #I lol'd above brought me to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cooper Brown and Ironically, the main argument for keeping the history is probably to preserve the lunacy on the talk page in case it needs to be used as future evidence should the user in question submit an unblock request - any chance you'd be willing to send me a copy of that history? Now I'm really curious... --DannyS712 (talk) 05:34, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I can do that; if you remind me this weekend. Love and all that, have fun at the AfC, Lourdes 05:36, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
@Lourdes: Also just saw Special:Diff/885138741 - pretty sure that wasn't the consensus - I have corrected your close --DannyS712 (talk) 04:22, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 :) Okay. Anyway, I've deleted that part and hatted the discussion (probably better that way). Thanks, Lourdes 10:01, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Reminder: its the weekend - can you send be the page's history? Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 02:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Go it. Thank you so much --DannyS712 (talk) 06:33, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 February 2019[edit]

Heads up[edit]

Just a heads up that globally locked accounts cannot access their talk pages locally - they cannot even log in. Praxidicae (talk) 00:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Lesson of the day. Thanks. Missed the line which said the account was globally locked (How?! Will see...). Pinging GAB just for the record. Lourdes 00:27, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Yeah. Realised how it happened. I saw the contributions using a pop-up, and missed the globally locked detail on the block page (happens!) as it was just below the bright red statement mentioning the account was already blocked. Thanks again, Lourdes 00:31, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Lourdes It also shows you in the block settings once you click block user or adjust the block. here is an example. Easy to miss but just letting you know. Praxidicae (talk) 00:34, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, you're right. That is the page I'm referring to. Lourdes 00:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
FWIW, I often miss seeing that xwiki but there is a strike out script you can add for locked accounts similar to the one we have for blocked accounts. Praxidicae (talk) 00:41, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
Can you point me to the script? (I'll search at the scripts' main page otherwise). Thanks, Lourdes 07:53, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
@Praxidicae: That would be a nice script to have. I just use popups to see locks. GABgab 11:57, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.


  • The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
    • has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
    • has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)


??? Just curious... I've enabled the feature that allows an admin's sig to be highlighted, but there appears to be something in your sig that prevents it. Intentional? Atsme✍🏻📧 13:20, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Atsme. How are you doing? Yeah, intentional. Lourdes 13:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Atsme: The blue highlighter only works where background: is undefined in the sig's markup; remove white, and you turn Lourdes blue again :) ——SerialNumber54129 14:31, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


Hey, Lourdes! You pinged me at Help_desk#How_to_Create_My_Personal_Collection_of_Articles?, were you asking me to do something? Sorry if I'm being dense. valereee (talk) 12:35, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Oh no, nothing at all. I pinged you (and some others) because you had already replied to the editor's request and I thought it respectful to ping those who had already replied. That was about it. Thanks for chipping in at the Help desk; any help is great. L o u r d e s 17:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
haha I was like, "Uh-oh, what did I do this time?" :D Thanks! valereee (talk) 17:10, 9 March 2019 (UTC)


Can you explain how this edit is a revert? Maybe I'm wrong, but a revert usually means to restore a previous version of a page. WP:REVERT basically says the same thing, as does the Oxford dictionary. But it doesn't seem that you have done that here. It appears that you that you made an edit that changed the page, without actually reverting to a previous version (like this). And for some strange reason, suddenly decided to edit an article you've never edited before. An article that I have repeatedly removed unsourced content from. You re-added said content and then finally added, for the first time, a supporting ref. Perhaps if you had made this a straight forward edit (like everyone else would've), or at least bothered to add an edit summary, your actions would be more clear. But you didn't. I could say it was because I called you out on your ridiculously ill-conceived, and now utterly embarrassing, '!vote' at RfB, you decided to make this needlessly obnoxious 'revert' in return, but I won't say that. I will instead suggest you move on to more useful contributions and stop this petty bullshit. You're admin ffs, you're supposed to be above this type of behaviour. - wolf 06:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Wut?!! I think you typed too many words and in the end, your post looks a bit nonsensical. You probably didn't want it that way. Calm down. At least in this article above, I've found your reverts to be sensible. If you notice this message that I've left to the new editor, you've been supported by me. I've put the article on my watchlist and probably would keep an eye for good faith edits (and thereby provide sources where the new editors/IPs couldn't leave the same); you should try that too – helps the project. If you want to have more discussion about the article, the best place to continue the same would be on the article's talk page. Ping me if you plan to start a new discussion. I can help you with sourcing. Thanks, Lourdes 06:50, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Wut? "calm down"...? Do you see word after word in ALL CAPS? Do you see every sentence ending with multiple exclamation marks!!!!..? No. I am actually quite calm, just sitting here thumbing away on my mobile, the people around me not giving the slightest notice.
Yes, I did notice the odd effort you've suddenly made going the extra mile to engage an editor who so far has made one, solitary edit.
If you're having difficulty understanding my comments, just point out what parts you're struggling with and I'd be happy to try help you out. Or we can just take what we can from this, and as I said above; move on to more useful things. Up to you... - wolf 07:22, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I can repeat what I said above. You're sounding incoherent and probably are a bit more excited than required. You should probably follow the advise I gave you in the above message. Calm down (and probably step away from the keyboard for a bit)... and then if you want to discuss the article, you could open a discussion on the respective talk page. If you need any help understanding how to source reliable material, I'm all there for assisting you. Thanks, Lourdes 07:37, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
This is the route you want to go with this? Prolong this with repeated insults and snarky, condescending remarks? I'll say it again, you're an admin, those who have asked us to give them that responsibility are expected to behave like adults. You have the bit, so show some maturity. As for me, I've said what I've wanted to say and will move on. This is your talk page, so I'll give you the last word. You seem like the type that needs to have it anyway...
Have a nice day. - wolf 08:24, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Am sorry you feel insulted. This might be a good time for you to introspect on the reasons why; you never know, it may help you in your normal life too. Hope you leave with a few lessons learnt. Despite your feeling insulted, let me reiterate, I’m there to assist you in any area where you feel you need help or more understanding. Have a good life. Warmly, Lourdes 09:17, 10 March 2019 (UTC)


When doing a merge, and leaving a redirect...and the editor who performed the edits forgot to make note that numerous edits were merged into a main article, how does one correct that mistake, and what do we do with the TP of the article that is redirected? Atsme 📣 📧 16:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Atsme. How are you doing? Any particular article you might have in your mind? It would give a better context for my suggestion. Warmly, Lourdes 01:03, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Doing well, Lourdes. Yes, there is a particular article - this redirect to Circe. The merge was basically a blending by an exceptional young editor I've been mentoring who tends to get extremely focused on his work and sometimes forgets to use edit summaries. Email me for more info if needed. Atsme 📣 📧 01:22, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. Let me go through this later this night and respond. Warmly, Lourdes 01:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17[edit]

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Hello, fellow Wikipedian. On Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Participants, you said you liked two of the articles I created. Which ones were they (just for feedback :)) EDG 543 (talk) 12:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

2001 Jaguars-Browns officiating controversy and 2018 NFC Championship Game officiating controversy. Thanks, Lourdes, 13:03, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

RFPP Christchurch mosque shootings[edit]

Hi Lourdes, can you clarify whether or not you protected the above page as a preemptive measure. Also, it's difficult to find the discussion about this (and most other) page protection requests, due in part to the large archive of requests. Maybe as a general idea, when pages are protected, a link should be placed on the Talk page to the formal request and any associated discussion. Cheers, Silas Stoat (talk) 16:31, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for missing this Silas. I agree with your point about talk page discussion containing details of protection. This was done due to the BLP violations being undertaken by IPs and new editors. The article would be open for editing in a handful of days. Thanks, Lourdes 05:46, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Lourdes, no problem, and thanks for getting back to me. Seems like things have calmed down on that article now. Regards, Silas Stoat (talk) 08:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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Read Dan Boginos's book titled Spygate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:12, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok, for future reference, when the edit warring is all anon-ips and fly-by-night red linked accounts on one side, and established editors on the other side, then you semi-protect the article, not full protect it. But thanks for placing it under protection.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Volunteer Marek, hope you're doing well. You probably have done less reading on the background of the issue and so may have little understanding. Not a problem; I've summarised the issue for you; it would help you in the future. When it's an established editor doing the edit-warring on absolutely clear content issues (insertion of "false" versus "untrue) with anon-ips and "fly-by-night" red linked accounts, and when it's the established editor who has been hauled up at the edit warring noticeboard, and warned by two administrators, and when it's the established editor asserting that they can cross 3RR because other non-IP editors too are edit-warring, and when it's the established editor who says they don't want to start an SPI because it's complex (that's understandable; though it makes me start thinking if the so-called established editors are themselves worried about an SPI), then any experienced administrator would clearly know what to do. Understanding whether to full/semi protect a page is a complex issue, and requires some level of understanding and effort, and probably not a bright-line division as you have suggested above. But that's alright; nobody's perfect :) it was good to see you stop by. Warmly, Lourdes 01:14, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
What??? First, take your condescension and shove it. Second of all... what in the world are you talking about? And are you seriously making unfounded accusations of sock puppeting against long standing editors ("though it makes me start thinking if the so-called established editors are themselves worried about an SPI")? Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Ok. Shoved it. Hope you feel better. 👋 Bye bye Lourdes 02:34, 31 March 2019 (UTC)


Hi, Lourdes - can you tell me if there is a particular reason for bolding the iVotes in RfCs? If my memory serves (which doesn't happen consistently enough), I read somewhere that it had something to do with a a program that sorts the iVotes? Atsme Talk 📧 13:18, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Hiya. Atsme, I don't know why it is bolded. I do recall the AfD script using the bold stuff; and I do recollect that the RfA tally script also does that. So probably you're right. But I can't be sure. Lourdes 03:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 March 2019[edit]


Ha--you got me! Good one. Happy April Fool's! Innisfree987 (talk) 16:16, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Innisfree987 Another one bites the dust :D Lourdes 18:03, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Barnstar & Bugs[edit]

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I hereby award this barnstar to editor Lourdes, for bold and helpful mop weilding. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hey Lourdes, thanks for the ping re King, and thanks even more for stepping up to give the warning. Parts of the AN3 attack you linked to are pretty appalling, the sort of thing that can drive good editors away. The only bright side is that they made assertions so ludicrous I doubt any would take them seriously, especially against such a highly respected editor as SV. King seems to have lost the admirably civil demeanour they maintained up to late March. Even as someone who had consistently argued against sanctions for them, I see your warning as fully warranted. Posting here as I guess you might be interested in my opinion per the ping, but I don't want to post on King's talk. Thick skinned though he may be, I guess he might be feeling stressed at the moment and might find it provocative. Not pinging him for same reason, though I guess he'll see this eventually & just maybe it will help to see that even someone who had supported him conduct wise now agrees he's crossed the line all the way to indeff territory. Despite all that's happened, I hope the bug decline dispute can soon be ended and that King can return to being the valuable editor he was before this all kicked off, albeit with less aggression to editors with different views. FeydHuxtable (talk) 08:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar FeydHuxtable. Warmly, Lourdes 11:05, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019[edit]

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Technical news



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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good lists[edit]

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