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Hey, from Steve Eifert[edit]

Luigibob: Great to hear from you. I'm glad someone's looking at the noir pages. (And I'm glad people keep correcting them!) I think this will be, in a few years, a great site for movie buffs. IMDB is great, but this could top it. I read your bio. I used to do PR in the Navy about 12 years ago, and now I work in television. Anyway, keep up the great work! Steve-O 02:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


You sound like a nice, intelligent person. - Chocolate24. 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Latin Award for Mr Luigi[edit]

Working Man's Barnstar.png Flag of Argentina.svg Flag of Brazil.svgThe Latin Cinema Barnstar
I Ernst Stavro Blofeld present you with this Latin barn-star for all of the hard work you've done on Argentine cinema and Latin film is general -your contribution to New Wave Argentine film and all cinema personalities is much appreciated!Sir Blofeld

♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "I've been expecting you" 10:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Dove[edit]

You are most welcome! :)
Glad that, you have noticed my nomination. Hope it gets featured and makes into the main page.
Regards, - KNM Talk 17:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Bonbom El Perro[edit]

Good evening. I have just seen the renewed article on Bonbom. Thank you for making it more professional. I loved the film, and extended the plot narrative. I appreciate your edits. Best wishesLuckyles 21:16, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 24 March, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Dove (1974 film), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 18:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The Brotherhood of the Bell[edit]

Thank you for your kind words to me! I have always liked watching The Brotherhood of the Bell since I was 15. It was described by critics as above average. Thank you again!--Drboisclair (talk) 01:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Great job on the noir pages[edit]

I haven't done much work here at WP lately. They changed all the rules about images so a lot of my work got blown out since I've been inactive. I hoped guys like you would expand the pages, but every time I log in I see more of my poster scans deleted by a bot when a rationale for having them there would be very easy to add.

Anyway, I still use Wikipedia and I hope the noir section continues to grow. Steve-O (talk) 00:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Part two[edit]

One additional thing: because PLOT denotes a work of FICTION, should not the PLOT section in documentary films be/remain synopsis? I think it should. Thanks. ♦ Luigibob ♦ "Talk to Luigi!" 18:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

O shoot - have I been changing documentary films? I thought I was keeping an eye out for that. I'm wary of documentary films, music videos, porn, etc - but it's likely that one or more have slipped by me. I've been at home these past few days with a cold, just wanting to do something simple like run an AWB sweep. There are things I could be doing, but I just don't have th energy for it. I guess my concentration is not what it should be. Do you know of any documentaries I have changed? Regards SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 18:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Silky: You changed American Dream (film), but not to worry I'll change it back now. I'm glad we're in synch. I like you're comments re CAST in 12 Monkeys. I don't like those CAST TEMPLATES as they look terrible. I prefer the "cast as" as per WP:MOS. More on this type of stuff later. If I have a question, I add to "part three" of this on-going dialogue. Best-- Luigibob (talk) 21:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I've seen what you've done to Cast on 12 Monkeys. Much better. It's now flexible so people can easily add information if they wish, in the true cooperative spirit of Wiki. As I no longer have a cold, Ive been getting on with other stuff and haven't had a chance to run my AWB again. I'm off to Brussels now for a few days, so won't be doing any editing after today for a while. But when I get back I'll have another go at films. Warm regards SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 11:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


Filmbarnstar.png The WikiProject Films Award
I, Blofeld of SPECTRE, hereby award Luigibob the WikiProject Films Award for his/her valued contibutions to WikiProject Films. For his quality edits to film articles on wikipedia. The articles you have worked on are gleaming and show a real quality editor!!! Keep up the great work amigo. I have always been impressed by your edits. Thou art one tidy green plumber man, brother of Mario. Long may your film edits continue! They are greatly appreciated!
Awarded ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 01:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome. Note that isn't just any old award. It is the coveted film silver barnstar which is given to only the best film editors - the elite - it was ages before I had one. Your name should be announced in the newsletter at the end of the month -so a few hundred other editors will learn of what work you do, Yes I've barely edited film this year so far. Only a few like Sous Le Sable, Day of the Idiots etc. Not concentrating like I was on it. But I;ll get more into it again in a month or two. I'm currently adding French towns which I see as a major priority - notice the article count has jumped from 2,228,000 to 236,000 in a day and a half. I saw the Motorcycle Diaries the other day, a rare screening of an Argentine film on TV in the UK. A brilliant film isn't it. Makes me want to travel through south america myself!! PLease continue to add new articles!!! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 02:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Well done[edit]

Updated DYK query On 23 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Foolish Wives, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.
--Victuallers (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: CATS[edit]

Hi! Let's take one of your articles as an example: The Pretender (film). As [Category:Crime drama films) is a subcategory of both [Category:Crime films] and [Category:Drama films], you don't need to put those two cats. Also [Category:Crime thriller films] is a subcategory of [Category:Thriller films]. In a short only the subcategories are needed there as they already include the main cats. But I wouldn't worry about goofing up the cats, somebody is going to fix them sooner or later.

Oh, and about Seven chances: I already explained my point to EraserGirl (her talk page) before reverting her edits. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do, should I wait for her answer before reverting? I'm not quite up to date with all the Wikipedia policies. Sorry about my English, I hope that all makes sense. :)--Dblk (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot[edit]

Thanks a lot for your barn-star! This means so much, and it was totally unexpected. I really didn't know that what I was doing was being noticed by other users. This can only encourage me to work even more on film-related articles. Regards. BomBom (talk) 12:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

You've been busy. Good to hear from you[edit]

Thanks for the update. You are doing really good work. I'm nobody, so I can't give you a barnstar (or whtever) for your work, but the catalog of Argentine films is quite impressive. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)Stan

Re: Verónico Cruz article[edit]

No probs. Justin talk 19:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Argentine films[edit]

You mean Argentine films of 2007 and Argentine films of 2008? I know. I'll see if I can get them started but I would appreciate your help with the lists anyway as they are central to Argentine cinema on wikipedia ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I haven't checked for notability yet but here we go : Argentine films of 2007 and I started Encarnación (film) and Cuando ella saltó and Chiche bombón as well. Perhaps you could expand? Its a shame there isn't more people working on them on here but these films are very much a part of the spanish speaking world , which is pretty different from ours ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 20:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hola amigo. I couldn't agree more. There are a few people on here that are super, and are a credit to the site but the majority aren't like this unfortunately. I don't know what it is but I think an intellectual site can attract the wrong sorts of people, you know the stuck up geek types who try to rule over people to compensate for inadequacies in their own life or just stupid kids, fourteen year olds who like Pokemon and wrestling who don't know what is relevant to an encyclopedia. As you can see I could have become an admin 18 months ago but it is precisely this kind of bureacracy that I want to avoid -what fun is there in that? (although I agree I could use those admin tools at times). As you can see I put up with a lot of crap from people given the amount of work I do on here, fortunately there are those who appreciate it but it seems at times that many don't.

My relationship with wikipedia blows hot and cold almost on a daily basis. Sometimes I feel very enthusiastic and think wow there is so much missing and go into creation mode but other times I think; the site is huge enough as it is, do we really need to spend so much time developing it when we are faced with criticism and abogados? Most of the time I remain optimistic and try to block out these niggling editors and concentrate on the actual content of the site which potentially is endless.

Admins apart from the Skier man I would suggest are User:John Carter, User:Riana (particularly with images although she is often busy), User:Darwinek etc.

Hope you are well.

♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 12:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

NO POINT OF VIEW ON: Anatomy of a Murder[edit]

On the critical review section, good point of view. That is, yours. You have a valid criticism.

The reviews at rottentomatos were almost uniform. Great place to find relevant reviews. If you look at the discussion page, I mentioned one review, with a link that I thought was particularly good. FWIW. We (you) could cut and past from several reviews.

I made a lot of additions and changes (big and small) to that article. I've kind of exhausted myself on this one and am ready to hand it over to a fresh set of eyes. Have at it. Thanks for your help.

7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC), Stan.

Anatomy of a Murder and other thoughts[edit]

Dear Luigibob:

You could fairly say that I have a legal background.

I am a lawyer by training, worked for the Michigan Judicial Tenure Commission (see Michigan Supreme Court for a quick overview), was a litigator (both civil and criminal) for twenty five years. I have been a labor arbitrator for thirty.

Thanks for the thumbs up.

I am pleased that you liked the thoughts, even though some of them are "original" (even though I've now put in a quick reference). I wanted to add something to the readers understanding of this movie, which really is a great trial flick, written very carefully and knowledgeably by a good writer who has the perspective of a justice of the Supreme Court and who had also been a real practicing lawyer.

I tried to add a listing of colour films and did not know what is available, even though there is one for black and white films. If you would take a look and fix that, I'd be appreciative.

I am thinking about the Trial movies article. If you have any suggestions, I'd be most appreciative, too.

Thanks. Stay in touch, please.

7&6=thirteen 16:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Happy holidays to you. thanks for keeping me in mind. I think that Trial movies may be worthwhile. You will enjoy Anatomy of a Murder, cuz it is that good. Best to you.
7&6=thirteen (talk) 21:13, 25 December 2007 (UTC)Stan


Thanks for your encouragement. Unfortunately, the Wiki process sometimes moves way too quickly. It's like they want you to go from 'nothing to finished product' in one day. Well, it takes time, to come up with thoughts and to find sources that will complement them. Or vice versa. All of that takes time.

You are right about Wiki. This is a complicated collegial process. Even if one reads the rules, etc., there is a lot going on, and one sometimes jumps into the middle of a gunfight.

Because of my professional background, I am particularly in a position to know and understand a movie like Anatomy of a Murder. I know the article is not supposed to be 'original research' etc., and that we need sources. But putting that all together in an instant can't happen, as I actually have to earn a living. I'm working on it.

Anywayz, if you have more sage advice, I'm all ears. Stay in touch. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 00:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC) stan


Anatomy of a Murder gets a "B" I was really pleased when it got upgraded from Stub Class. The argument over footnote and link names is of no consequence. 'Some call it a spear, some call it an arrow.' I enjoy hearing from you, inter alia, because you have a sense of humor and perspective, plus some real Wiki competence. Best. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)Stan


Luigibob: Some interesting links (with really good info) are now in this article. I know you monitor it, but you may have missed this. This could help cure some of the kvetching in the most recent evaluation. Your friend and fellow conspirator. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC) Stan

One of our esteemed editors has hung a "jargon" banner on he legal discussion. I think this is ill-advised, but as the author I am not comfortable taking this head on. What do you think? Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 13:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC) Stan

Take this brother, may it serve you well...[edit]

For Solid Work on Film Articles
Presented by SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 23:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I've looked at what you have been doing and feel you deserve some kind of pat on the back. SilkTork *What's YOUR point? 23:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Happy Easter to you![edit]

Now then, how many Easter films can you think of? SilkTork *YES! 19:07, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


Hello! Is there a reason why categories should be in a-z order? I'll try my best to sort them, but I probably wont over time! Cheers. Lugnuts (talk) 12:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Just A General Lift-up...[edit]

Hi there, Luigibob! I just wanted to stop by and drop you a little note. I wanted to thank you for your truly invaluable contributions to many Wikipedia film articles, particularly to film noir. As a fan of film noir myself, I find it encouraging to see someone help polish and upgrade articles related to a genre that certainly deserves more coverage by this encyclopedia. BTW, the Bugs Bunny quote you have at the top of this page makes me suspect that you are a fan of the wabbit. Is there any chance you might consider becoming a member of the American Animation WikiProject? You would certainly be a very-welcomed participant! I generally spend most of my time trying to revise and update animation-centric articles, but, as I am a relatively inexperienced editor, I realise such articles are in dire need of polish to upgrade them to the high standards of articles on other art forms. Once again, I just wanted to thank you for all the great work you've been doing around here, and to encourage you to keep up the good work! :-) Cinemaniac (talkcontribscritique) 02:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! I think the banned Bugs Bunny cartoon you own is All This and Rabbit Stew, a "censored eleven" entry directed by the great Tex Avery. But, hey, I could be wrong, you know! Cinemaniac (talkcontribscritique) 16:02, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Screw it[edit]

Yes, there are plenty of other articles to edit. Which one where you having problems with? I'll take a look and give you my thoughts on the matter. SilkTork *YES! 17:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


I edited the categories in your sandbox subpage per Wikipedia:Categorization#User namespace. -- Alan Liefting- (talk) - 09:11, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Super, I learned something new in Wiki today! Luigibob (talk) 21:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: italics[edit]

Hi Luigibob,

I'm doing well, thanks. How have you been? Actually I didn't know that foreign words like noir should be in italics in the English language. You certainly hint at my edit in the Fallen Angel article, right? I thought that the italicised words "film noir" looked kind of weird, that's why I changed it. I've also taken a look at the film noir discussion page. I do not doubt that you are right about this issue. So, should I revert my edit or just leave it? Thanks for the cue! Dutzi (talk) 21:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, now I got it! As of now, I will pay attention to that. Again, thanks a lot. Best regards. Dutzi (talk) 22:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to an RfC[edit]

I have initiated a WP:RfC re. User:Ed Fitzgerald's behavior. You are cordially invited to add your two cents worth here. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Re the Getaway[edit]

User HergeMoore removed several titles from the film noir list including such obvious examples as Goodfellas, Cape Fear (Scorsese's 1991 version), Ronin and The Getaway (the original 1972 version as well as the remake). He simply wasn't right to do that since all these films actually are neo noirs. Thanks for your endorsement. Regards. Dutzi (talk) 14:33, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Photography credits[edit]

Hi Luigibob. Our image use policy states "All photo credit should be in a summary on the image description page". Additionally, our caption guideline states "[captions are] only included in the caption if the photographer is notable" - notable means "if the photographer has a wikipedia article". Of course attribution for an image should be included - it is a violation of GFDL for this attribution not to be excluded. The attribution, however, goes on the image description page, not on the article. I hope that makes sense, and I haven't put you off contributing images. Best, Neıl 21:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

As far as the Rachel Harris article goes, the photographer (User:David Shankbone) never actually asked for the caption to include his name, didn't put it there himself, and is aware it was removed (and stated he accepted that). Neıl 11:28, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

O brother of Mario[edit]

Mr. Bigglesworth! has been editing too

Hey plumber guy. How are you amigo?? Today I've been editing the Las Vegas article baby. Its odd but I have lost count how many core American articles I have had to develop. Given all the Americans on here it is often left to a bald belgian-welshman to sort out!! How is the film work going? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes Skier is doing great. Yes I haven't had much time for film editing the last few months although I have been develpoing some of the pages like Italian films of 1950 and Hong Kong films of 1972 and stubbing some of the films such The Boxer from Shantung etc. I don't know if you like HK movies but some of those cool kung fu films in the 1970s and 1980s are highly entertaining. I don't know if you are aware of the Shaw Studio and the kind of actors that they employed but they all had great character. I recall one evil villain looked like a Chinese Saruman. SOmeday I'll try to develop Argentine film a bit more. I did manage to add a few Mexican films starring Pedro Armendariz who I will try to complete his filmo in due course. There are tons of Mexican classics missing too. If you require any ghelp at developing an article sometime give me a bell. ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 16:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Cats in alpha order[edit]


Hi. You may want to review MOS:FILM. It does state to keeps cats in alpha order for easier reading. Luigibob (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. To be honest, it's too much effort to remember. As long as the cats are there, the aesthetics can come later. Lugnuts (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
HERE it is, my wiki-friends -- a recipe for chaos. Luigibob (talk) 05:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

No Way Out (1950 film)[edit]

Hi Luigibob - can you explain this edit? As you are a prolific editor, I'm not implying anything negative, but this blanking took place 2 months ago and was not corrected until now. Vishnava talk 22:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks so much for contacting me. It looks like a stupid mistake on my part. I'm glad you caught it and contacted me. Yes, I do enjoy working on films especially film noirs. My best -- Luigibob (talk) 23:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
The amazing part is how come a whole page blanking was not detected for 2 months :) Anyways, you do some excellent work on films. All the best, Vishnava talk 23:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Acceptance speech[edit]

Re: Bad Day at Black Rock

I'd like to thank all the people who made this award possible, especially John Macreedy (although I heard that he later changed his name and came to a bad end). Clarityfiend (talk) 21:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Hola amigo[edit]

Hey Luigi alright? Howz the film work coming on. Hey have a look at SPECTRE'S latest adventure. Here is the directory of what will be adding an article on everything friggin village on the planet from Afghanistan to Vanuatu! Over 1.4 million articles to be added over the coming months by FritzBot which SPECTRE spent money in hiring to dominate the world. By the end of the run I'll be able to say I or at least FritzBot and I are responsible for over half of wikipedia's articles! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000?

Hola. Ecuador?? Ecuador has about 6,600 articles missing from here. When we get around to it 6,600 articles will be added on Ecuadorian towns! ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 18:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for adding that link. I think you just have to include an external links and copywright holder outside the box and the stupid bot will leave it alone. Hope you are well ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 08:34, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Trial movies[edit]

I put in a new reference to another list, this time from the American Film Institute. We should probably do something more with this. Please take a look, and see what you can do. Thanks. Best to you. 15:07, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan 7&6=thirteen (talk)

Nice edits. I was wondering if the AFI list should be contrasted with the ABA list, in particular. They have some films not listed particularly. Maybe they should be mentioned? BTW, I've been doing a lot of Michigan geography work. Of course, it tends to spill over into other areas. Frank Murphy. American Museum of Magic. Lots of lighthouse articles, e.g., Sturgeon Point Light. Good to hear from you. Keep up the good work. God bless. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 16:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC) Stan
Luigi: Maybe the AFI list needs some detail on those other movies, if we don't discuss them elsewhere? 7&6=thirteen (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
Luigi: Thanks for your continued interest. For an article that started out as not much more than a 'mere list', I think it has developed well, and has something useful to say. The sources are good, and there are some informative point and information. Don't you think? 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC) Stan
Thanks for contacting me...yes, I think we are moving along with the article. We might want to work on the intro a bit. An article on just a list is frowned upon by Wikipedians, so we need to work on the body of the article. Still busy since it's the political season.... Best, your friend -- Luigibob (talk) 05:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to the Hotel Wikipedia[edit]

So Ed is expanding his horizons, eh? To paraphrase the Eagles, "we revert it with our steely edits, but we just can’t kill the beast." Clarityfiend (talk) 01:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)


Just a quick note- you released this into the public domain, but claimed that attribution is required. If in the public domain, attribution is not required. Perhaps you would rather release your images under a free license that requires attribution? GFDL or CC springs to mind- perhaps you could take a look at our list of free licenses for some ideas. J Milburn (talk) 18:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

There's absolutely no issue with releasing the images into the public domain from Wikipedia's point of view, I just thought you may personally prefer to release them under one of the other licenses we accept. If you want others to be able to use the image but want to be attributed, I recommend {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}, though I'm by no means an expert on the exact details of the licenses. J Milburn (talk) 20:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey Silky[edit]

How have you been..... Luigibob (talk) 05:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm fine. Thanks for getting in touch. I hope you're OK, and that you'll continue making a positive contribution to film articles. Best regards SilkTork *YES! 10:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Fourth of July[edit]

Hey Stan. I wish you the best 4th of July ever....your friend.... ♦ Luigibob ♦ "Talk to Luigi!" 20:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day to you, too
I was out of town, so pardon the delay. Happy 4th of July. And soon, Happy Bastille Day, which after all features what I believe is a much more stirring national anthem, "La Marseillaise"! Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 02:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC) Stan
Thank you sir. Agreed on all points. Yes, quite an incredible song. The patriots all sing the song in the historic Casablanca (film). It always brings a tear to my eye. We all, Americans, French...always look towards freedom. ♦ Luigibob ♦ "Talk to Luigi!" 11:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

A B.S. kinda note[edit]

Bravo. Sympatico!. B.S. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 20:31, 4 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Note: What Stan is referring to in BS is my comment that I had removed a few tags on this page that my images had been removed by some BOT. I considered it bull-shit...hence Stan's BS note. Funny. Luigibob (talk) 13:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)


Hey there Luigibob... I was looking over all your noir work and you've done a great service to Wikipedia. I want to make sure all the Noir of the Weeks have Wiki articles to link to, but I'm not sure if I'll have time to write them all. I'll probably do some very short stubs. Steve-O (talk) 00:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi Luigi,

I for one wouldn't put it back. Let's have a quick look at the most important/typical noir characteristics:

1. Film noirs often feature convoluted, sophisticated story lines, like e.g. flashbacks, flashforwards, voice-over, POV, etc...

None of these techniques is featured in Gaslight.

2. The protagonist is usually a hard-boiled character, like e.g. a private investigator, police cop, criminal or something else.

Nobody in Gaslight is a hard-boiled, Sam Spade-like character. Gregory Anton (Charles Boyer) is more like an aristocratic "gentleman-criminal".

3. Femme fatales often play an important role.

Bergman's character is hardly a femme fatale. Nancy (Angela Lansbury) displays some of the typical characteristics of a femme fatale, however, she plays only a secondary role.

4. Pessimistic tone/ big sinful city as a setting/ dark visual style (Low-key lighting).

This is the only similarity to a "classic" film noir. However, the era and the cultural setting in this film (Victorian era) is pretty unusual for a noir.

Of course there are far more aspects to be considered, that define a film as a noir, but these are generally regarded as the most important and most common ones. They will do for our discussion.

So in my opinion, only one characteristic is not enough! Every horror film features a dark tone and dark visual style, and they obviously can't be considered noirs. I have noticed that film historians/critics have pretty different opinions as to this particular film genre. I remember that some critics (sorry, I can't remember their names/book titles, it's been a long time) do not even consider The Maltese Falcon a film noir because of similar reasons (no flashbacks, no voice-over, etc...). Of course that's nonsense.

I think it's much easier to identify a film as film noir than to argue why it is or is not noir.

Best regards. Dutzi (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! I will also put my analysis on the discussion page of the film noir list. Anybody who wants to put Gaslight back should read our discussion first in order to reconsider...
By the way, I'd like to point out that I really like Gaslight. I think it is an excellent, beautifully directed film with a marvelous cast. My analysis might sound as if I don't like the movie. =) I just don't see it as a noir, it's rather a period piece-psycho-thriller. Best wishes. Dutzi (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films#Interested wikipedians in the Latin task force[edit]

You may be interested in a project which includes Brazilian cinema? editing on Wiki is limited these days due to some people I find uncomfortable...quite a shame ... My best -- Luigibob (talk) 05:23, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi Luigi,

I've got a little problem and since we have already discussed several issues I thought I might ask you. I recently edited the article to the film The Wiz. In the lead I linked the release year as follows: [[1978 in film|1978]]. Interestingly, my edit was reverted by someone who argued that "these links are now deprecated". He refers to the Manual of Style (dates and numbers), but actually I couldn't find the passage/section that says that my linking was wrong or outdated. Feel free to have a look at the edit history of the article. I know, this issue is pretty trivial but I really would like to know the correct procedure. Perhaps you can help me. Thanks in advance. Dutzi (talk) 00:26, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

A little help[edit]

Many of my links to Film Noir of the Week - were wiped out by Themfromspace even though most of the articles are written by published film writers that have written dozens of books on noir and have even done many of the movie commentaries on DVDs. Somehow I can't post links to my own site because ... well I'm not sure. What do you think I should do? Can you help me possibly return these links to the pages?

Edit: I've also posted here. Please go there and comment! Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films Steve-O (talk) 20:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

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Hello Luigibob! I just wanted to wish you and your family a merry Christmas! May this Christmas be full of great cheer and holiday spirit. Have a great day and a wonderful New Year, from The Bald One White cat 11:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Two really good articles on Anatomy of a Murder, 50th anniversary festivities and the musical score[edit]

Luigi, I took care of the soundtrack portion, bu there is lots of other good info in gthe other aticle that migh be useful to put in. These articles go in to the Detroit Free Press archives adn become hard to access pretty quick. The Detroit Free Press today published two really good articles on the movie, the 50th anniversary festivities, and the musical score.

Best regards. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 15:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


Well if it isn't my good friend Luigi. A "blast" from the past! Great to hear from you!!! I thought you had left wikipedia that's why I haven't checked up on you!! I don't get to edit films much these days but I started a few early actually! I miss having you to talk to. Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for your comments. After positing a reply on my talk page, I examined the contribs of the remover and found a lengthy history of edit removals and material deletions. I just think H's SS was the latest victim. Thank you! -OberRanks (talk) 17:02, 24 January 2011 (UTC)


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Your note[edit]

Thanks! Appreciate the kind words.—Chowbok 22:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


Thanks. Great to have you back too Luigi! Wikipedia is getting better than it used to be I think..♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:58, 19 February 2011 (UTC)


I miss you dearest Luigi! We should keep in contact more you fellow film buff you.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:25, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

List of of film noir titles[edit]

Hi. Thanks for your praise. I will do my best to help you eliminate that sources TAG asap. Best regards - Chris --Croscher (talk) 15:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ligibob, all notable noirs are included now and there aren't many unrefernced films left in the list. Could we eliminate the sources TAG now? Croscher (talk) 15:47, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Squeezing two columns lists in less than 100% width[edit]

Hi Luigibob,

I would like to know what exactly do mean “some screens -- like mine - may not handle” (two columns lists in full width). Having some eyesight issues, I am using a larger than normal font size; hence your lists, squeezed in width=65%, are quite awkward to look at, and to read. Am I the only one with such limitations? Carlotm (talk) 09:13, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Never Cry Wolf (1983)[edit]

See revisions. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Good edits Luigibob

Merry Merry[edit]

To you and yours
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Georges Méliès[edit]

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I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and advice!--Lemuellio (talk) 23:47, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Film categories[edit]

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