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This is the talkpage of the notorious MONGO! Leave me a message if you dare! Bishzilla spin.gif Bishzilla blink.gif Bishzilla spin.gif BITE!.gif


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Answer[edit] people really brag about being Wikipedians on their resumes or LinkedIn?

From what I have read, it is quite common.[1] In the current ANI thread, an editor has made the argument that Neelix has bragged about his contributions to Wikipedia to inflate his authority and sense of importance as a representative to the media. Viriditas (talk) 22:50, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I guess I was thinking mainly about me. If I could just point to FAs I worked on and say see lookie, I'm impotent. But if they look at the real MONGO (desysopped, blocks...on and off assholery) well...--MONGO 22:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Try thinking about it differently. This is the real MONGO, calm, cogent, collected, medicated. :-) The desysopped, blocked, and asshole MONGO is the pawn in the game of life. Embrace your shadow but don't let it overwhelm you. You're a good person; all you have to do is be that person. Viriditas (talk) 23:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
Medication for me means lots of food and lots of sleep....if deprived of either in sufficient quantities that can flip a switch. Anyhoo....since my FA work is unrelated to my career at present, I doubt my saying oh, btw, I'm MONGO over at Wikipedia! I can see the room grows silent...pupils dilate...eyebrows raise...the silent button that goes directly to armed security gets pressed...the SWATs surround the building. There is a chance a few are familiar with MONGO...I might find myself thrown out as a security risk!--MONGO 00:37, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Very scary.JPG[edit]

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Beer for MONGO[edit]

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As promised. Notice I am testing a bottle out for purity. Simon Irondome (talk) 20:27, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank yea Mr. Irondome Sir! MONGO thirst satisfied! Should last me a good long while...unless other hairy woodland beasts think I'm having them over to my cave, which I won't, but must hide it nevertheless.--MONGO 23:40, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
You are welcome MONGO. MONGO been sounding a little low of late. Have courage MONGO! BEER helps to cheer the inner MONGO! Simon Irondome (talk) 23:50, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
MONGO most pleased...must think of suitable gift in return. Hum...--MONGO 02:23, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Happy Diwali[edit]

Feuerwerks-gif.gif Happy Diwali!!!

Sky full of fireworks,
Mouth full of sweets,
Home full of lamps,
And festival full of sweet memories...

Wishing You a Very Happy and Prosperous Diwali.
Ugog Nizdast (talk) 18:17, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Send Diwali wishings by adding {{subst:Happy Diwali}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message.

Thank you! Bringing lightness to MONGOland is much appreciated!--MONGO 01:02, 13 November 2015 (UTC)


MONGO (talk · contribs · count · logs · target logs · block log · lu · rfas · rfb · arb · rfc · lta · spi · checkuser · socks · rights · blocks · protects · deletions · moves) - Edit tools. 63,718 edits total, 1 automated, 63,717 manual edits. Account started editing 2005. 47.5% to articles, 17.4% to article talk, 1.8% to user pages, 18% to user talk pages, 11.9% to wikipedia space, 2.5% to wikipedia talk pages. Last 500 edits go back 45 days. 22 articles with over 100 edits. 1224 edits to ANI, 219 edits to AN. 1213 pages created, 73 were redirects, so 1130 "real" pages created. 12 featured articles. Is NOT an administrator. Desysopped in 2006, see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Seabhcan Two unsuccessful Rfa attempts since. Last block in 2008.

Your voter guide[edit]

Very fine voter guide, little MONGO! All the work and good sense you've obviously put into it makes me feel a little embarrassed about lazily leaving mine all to the socks (with predictable results). Listen to MONGO, people, he's one of our best content contributors. Few people have a better basis for opining about arbitrators present and future. Bishonen | talk 16:38, 21 November 2015 (UTC).

Totally agree with Bishonen comments above: MONGO is one of the best contributors. David J Johnson (talk) 17:19, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you both but many would think that MONGO perhaps wee bit jaded due to past experiences. I looked at a number of issues and I admit to examining Ealdgyth's well formatted stats on the candidates to determine editing history, though much is based on my own observations. The other issues included my support of those with substantial content work, though I made exceptions, past admin or arbitration actions and a few other items. I don't know how many others would consider my opinion trustworthy but I surely appreciate your opinions.--MONGO 19:21, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Bishzilla voter guide shorn of chief ornament![2] ROARRR! No more mrs smiley face! >:-( bishzilla ROARR!! 15:26, 24 November 2015 (UTC).
Grrrr...of all the nerve! Yes, we all want to follow copyrights but um...the image was one of the most important and encyclopedic images on Wikipedia! What is wrong with this place???!!! An alternative is being sought...but I doubt any can be found that will equal the one we've lost. Oh, and even if all you said was "there is an election for nine arbitrators", your guide would still surpass any I could are Bishonen after all...whereby I am but a mere MONGO.--MONGO 16:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Who is vot gide? Irondome (talk) 16:41, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Menar du väljare guide gamla chap?--MONGO 16:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Ahhhh. I agree. RfA is broken. Now I will vot. Irondome (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Ah...we're meaning the arbitration election. Much as I agree that Rfa is broken, I gave up on contributing ideas on how to fix it long ago.--MONGO 17:18, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
RfA is broken. It is the only phrase I have learned on WP in 3.5 yrs. I always try to get it in. putting it in edit summaries regardless of context is fun. I have no idea what it means. Irondome (talk) 17:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
"Don't mess with Bishzilla" is actually the one to memorize...--MONGO 21:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Added. Irondome (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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Ancient Egyptian architecture[edit]

Edits like that or about Orion/Ra are WP:ARARAT. Always 166. Report to me, NeilN, Favonian, or ask at AIV. Thanks for your help.Doug Weller (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Yup...thanks.--MONGO 21:37, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


I was just re-organizing. If you check out what I changed you'll noticed I just reorganized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:50, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

List of Tallest Building in Africa[edit]

Hey! I noticed you reverted my edit. Now as you noticed (and probably why you reverted) many buildings were taken out. This is because who ever originally put them there lied and they aren't actually 100 m - check it for yourself :) .. Also I think there's no reason the rankings should go, they were great and helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingofWiki (talkcontribs) 21:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok...make sure you reference the details so others can check your work.--MONGO 21:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I will do so right away :) , the previous refs didnt even give heights, so I think theres a lot of wrong heights. Over the next while I want to fix that page, there is a lot of incorrect information on it. Dovikap : Talk 21:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
Sometimes refs for that sort of information is scanty. I think Skyscraper etc. is a wiki style reference so its probably okay but not ideal.--MONGO 22:01, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Yippee! Pallid sturgeon is Todays Featured Article![edit]

It's only been nearly seven years since it was promoted to featured...glad to see the nearly extinct critter is getting some long needed major attention!
Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

Precious again, your impressive "critter" with the longest image ever - at least that I've seen!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda...big fish needs big picture. I think this is the longest fish species in the fresh waters of North America. Some are heavier such as catfish. Was just happy to see it get mainpaged out of the blue.--MONGO 08:30, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Happy mainpage day friend Pallid! bishzilla ROARR!! 09:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC).
    • Indeed mighty Bishzilla...we are the most maligned living fossils on this site and its about time we got the attention we deserve! Bishopod should be pleased too!--MONGO 16:58, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations! - I stopped by to wish you happy holidays, and just now read this post. I haven't read the article yet, but will as soon as I finish this post. I did scan over some of the references that were cited and it was like a walk down memory lane dating back to the early 90s when I was working with quite a few of the good folks in Montana, the Dakotas, etc. I have some underwater footage of pallids below Garrison Dam, if my memory serves, and I also shot some aquarium footage that looks good, too. Good job, Mongo!! Atsme📞📧 20:12, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you @Atsme:. I live in Omaha currently, so with the Platte River just south and the Missouri just east, the plight of the Pallid is well known hereabouts. underwater footage would be really interesting to see! Don't hesitate to share your work if you want...but if you don't that's understandable.--MONGO 01:34, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I have underwater stock footage of sturgeon in the wild that needs to be converted to digital, some of which I planned to upload to Wikipedia. I did manage to get some footage converted and uploaded before my machines went kaput. They need to go in for servicing but I haven't had time. One's priorities change with retirement. 😊 There's a segment of pallid sturgeon footage that I shot at the aquarium in Omaha back in the early 90s, and added it to the Sturgeon article along with some beluga sturgeon footage. At the time, I was working in cooperation with Nebraska Game & Parks, (Darrell Feit), US Fish & Wildlife, and the Army Corps. I'm trying to recall all of this from memory, so forgive me if I get any names or dates mixed up. Anyway, Sturgeon Ancient Survivors was the first feature-length program ever produced (57 minutes worth) and televised about the 7 North American species, (before we knew the status of the Alabama sturgeon). The program aired nationally on PBS as well as internationally. You can actually watch it on YouTube, but you'll have to forgive the quality of the upload: [3]. Atsme📞📧 02:52, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Wow. Youre surely a lot more knowledgeable about these critters than a amateur researcher like myself. I had wanted to update the Pallid article but it wen to mainpage before I could get around to it. I watched your two posted videos at the sturgeon article and will check out the youtube clip here in a bit. Thank you for the links...much appreciated and I think I will post one at the Pallid article now.--MONGO 04:05, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Geography / Geology infobox question[edit]

Hi Mongo, I'm planning to make a whole series of wikipedia articles on towns, rivers, and geological formations in Northern Kenya. The formations include oases, plateaus, and sometimes volcanic hills or other structures that are also paleontological or archaeological sites.

I'm not sure what infoboxes are best for structures that are neither towns, rivers, mountains nor necessarily officially protected areas. They are basically geological, paleontological and archaeological sites. Do you have any recommendations? Ideally the best infobox would allow me to load an image of the site, a map of kenya where I can note the coordinates, and possibly list other things like wildlife, geology, etc. Two examples are Aiyangiyang and Karsa, Kenya. -Darouet (talk) 23:51, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Darouet:! There are many templates available, but they are generally focus specific. In other words, while a protected area infobox template may have parameters that allow for such things as the coordinates, they mostly focus on governing bodies, dates of protection and such things. If your article is primarily about an archeological site, then perhaps use [[Template:Infobox ancient site]][4]. If not a specific archeological/historical site then we have templates for geological features like [[Template:Infobox valley]][5] or a rock formation maybe [[Template:Infobox rockunit]][6]. Another area you might search is at [[Category:Geography infobox templates]][7] which links to more specific infoboxes. In some situations, many editors here prefer to keep infoboxes simple and if there is enough information, instead of summarizing it in such boxes, use article space to do so, where greater elaboration is possible.--MONGO 00:58, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Mongo - between ancient site and rock unit, hopefully I can get some of these. Many of the features fall elsewhere. I wonder if I could perhaps make my own template. -Darouet (talk) 01:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
I'm far from a smart one on templates. I know you can subtract parameters that are unused and I think in the past I have even added some to existing templates. Those that are oftentimes well versed in templates such as the ones you are looking for usually have the template documentation talkpages watchlisted, so you could ask there. Alternatively, you sure could devise your own as we may not have one that works for your specific situation.--MONGO 01:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
OK, Thanks. Also, I appreciate your reviewing my article! -Darouet (talk) 03:46, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

It's that time of year again....[edit]

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic)
Time To Spread Some Happy Holiday Cheer!!
I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree in the spirit of the season.

What's especially nice about the digitized version is that it doesn't need water,

and it won't catch fire.
Wishing you a joyous holiday season...
...and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉

Atsme📞📧 20:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Pure pun-ishment. [8]

What a unique idea...a Christmas Tree worm...thank you and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!--MONGO 01:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Nadolig Llawen[edit]

Mele Kalikimaka to you too @Martinevans123:! Hope Siôn Corn yn dod â chi lawer o bethau da ar gyfer y Nadolig!--MONGO 01:42, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Mae'n rhaid iddo ddefnyddio mwy o sled mwy cyfiawn i mi. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:56, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Cyn belled ag y byddwn wedi iechyd a chwrw da i gyd yn dda. I think that's right...not sure but hope so.--MONGO 10:11, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Absolutely. I'll raise a glass to that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:41, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings![edit]

Use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message
Thank you @Northamerica1000:! I'm wishing the same for you too. Merry Christmas!--MONGO 01:45, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Wishing you all the best . . .[edit]

Merry Christmas, and may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you @Dirtlawyer1:! Wishing you a wonderful holiday season too!--MONGO 06:11, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT[edit] A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 20:05, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah-ha, I knew it. so it really WAS the Chinese. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:10, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Love it! Find a job! lol. It doesn't put to rest that compelling hobbit theory though. Antandrus (talk) 20:44, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you AQFK! Seems the conspiracy theories are never going to go away even if an average joe in his home workshop can easily show how preposterous most of their engineering arguments are. And yes, I do think Hobbits had something to do with it though...--MONGO 00:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Honestly, that's one of the better debunkings I've seen. It's a noodle, duh! Antandrus (talk) 00:51, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree. I've long believed that the primary rationale for most of those conspiracy theories are so someone can make a buck.--MONGO 02:01, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

78.26's RFA Appreciation award[edit]

Thank-you-word-cloud.jpg The 78.26 RFA Appreciation award
Thank you for the participation and support at my RFA. It is truly appreciated. I hope to be of further help around here, and if you see me doing something dumb, you know where to find me. Again, I thank you. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 24:00, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Season's Greetings[edit]

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Wishing you a Charlie Brown
Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄
Best wishes for your Christmas
Is all you get from me
'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus
Don't own no Christmas tree.
But if wishes was health and money
I'd fill your buck-skin poke
Your doctor would go hungry
An' you never would be broke."
—C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914.
  • Thank you @Montanabw:. Charlie Russell is my favorite artist! Merry Christmas!--MONGO 21:47, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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Best wishes for the holidays...[edit]

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Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Hafspajen (talk) 17:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Best wishes for you as well @Hafspajen:! Hoping 2016 brings you much success!--MONGO 17:24, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, MONGO![edit]

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Happy New Year 2016}} to send this message
  • Happy New Year to you too @Yamaguchi先生:! Thank you for your contributions as well! Best wishes!--MONGO 17:31, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Oct - Dec 15 Quarterly Article Reviews[edit]

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On behalf of the WikiProject Military history coordinators, I hereby award you this for your contribution of 1 FA, A-Class, Peer and/or GA reviews during the period October to December 2015. Thank you for your efforts! AustralianRupert (talk) 02:45, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion[edit]

Hello, MONGO. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic South of the Border (attraction). Thank you. --Labattblueboy (talk) 16:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

More pedophile garbage[edit]

Constitutionality of sex offender registries in the United States POV fork. --DHeyward (talk) 16:04, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh I know...he keeps screeching about he's not a single purpose agenda pusher and we get more and more of that garbage. Its a sickening misuse of the website to promote softening of sex offender registries as well as apologetics for pedophilia. Makes me vomit.--MONGO 02:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Thank you for participating in and supporting my RfA. It was very much appreciated. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:50, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your support[edit]

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Thank you for participating and supporting at my RfA. It was very much appreciated, and I am humbled that the community saw fit to trust me with the tools. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:20, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting my RfA[edit]

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Thank you for participating at my RfA. Your support was very much appreciated even if I did get a bit scorched. Brianhe (talk) 07:45, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


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Precious again, your "interesting storyline about the U.S. Army management of the worlds first national park, Yellowstone"!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:41, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Want to have some fun with a FAC?[edit]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Thunder (mascot)/archive1 It's the pigskin pony, the superbowl saddler, the ... OK, I'm pinging some FAC reviewers. Hope you have fun. Montanabw(talk) 08:34, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm truly very time limited at present and what little time I do have is being spent trying to save an FA. I will proff read it soon and add comments if I come up with any.--MONGO 01:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
No worries. Do as you see fit. If you need a gnome or a supporter at Banff, let me know, be glad to help, but I'm trying (not always succeeding) to wait to dive in until asked...  ;-) Montanabw(talk) 23:44, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
I'll be working on Banff Sunday and next Wednesday and hope to do full update by then and will be able to look at your article after that.--MONGO 10:51, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
@Montanabw:...if you want to proofread Banff NP feel free. It still needs some copyediting I think, but most if not all the things that need cites have been taken care of.--MONGO 00:57, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

September 11[edit]

Out of curiosity, may I ask why you removed a substantial amount of content on September 11 attacks? Just wondering. Thanks, GABHello! 16:50, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Undid your removal as it reverts other deadlink fixes. Feel free to revert GAB changes only for discussion... Spirit Ethanol (talk) 17:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
@GeneralizationsAreBad:, taking a quick look at your additions, they should be attributed to author/claimant. Edits contain some controversial claims/possible conspiracy theories. I leave it to MONGO to further clarify. Spirit Ethanol (talk) 17:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I guess it does somewhat appear that way. Thank you. GABHello! 17:27, 29 March 2016 (UTC)


Hi, Mongo!! I'm needing help and input for an exciting project that's in development. WP:Project Accuracy. I read that you're pretty busy these days, but if you get a moment please give it a look. There's a lot of information to take in, and I would suggest starting at the main page, then jump over to the discussion page and start at the bottom, slowly working your way up. Happy editing - and don't work too hard!! Atsme📞📧 14:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

I will try to make suggestions but doubt I could do much better than SlimVirgin and others there have. I am super busy too...mostly due to work issues.--MONGO 18:21, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Madam Marie[edit]

I made a little detour on the way back from a project visit to see Asbury Park and Ocean Grove. Way cool, I'm going to have to do it again. Lots of pictures to upload and more I should have gotten, but I was particularly charmed to find Madam Marie's. Acroterion (talk) 03:44, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. It's cool it is still around and looks like Asbury Park is seeing a rejuvenating effort.--MONGO 00:38, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
AP is in fact doing a lot better, though there are still lots of vacant lots. Most of the Jersey Shore looks pretty good nowadays, due to (no thanks to) Sandy. All of the badly damaged stuff got knocked down and replaced and most places have new paint and repairs. There are still a lot of abandoned damaged houses in Broad Channel in Jamaica Bay, though, which has received less concentrated attention. Acroterion (talk) 02:07, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
It has been 30 years since I was last there. I have not seen the Atlantic at all since 1998. I do remember Madam Maries and just remember then how Asbury was so much less entertaining then (1980s) than places along the Delaware and Maryland beach's.--MONGO 14:10, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

AP 2[edit]

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Ring a bell? BusterD (talk) 04:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Fort Niobrara National Wildlife Refuge[edit]

There is a discussion of the proposed merge dating back to October 2013, in which you said, "Sounds good to me...."! To state in an edit summary "revert unproposed or discussed move" is both misleading, since you apparently agreed at the time but then three years later changed your mind, and more than a little disingenuous. Mannanan51 (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that. My opinion has changed more recently on this because I do think each wilderness, even ones that take up almost all of an area that is already under a different designation such as a park or forest, should have a stand alone article about the particular wilderness. I had not revisited that discussion as it simply did not pop up on my watch list.--MONGO 16:33, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to support proposed WikiProject WTC[edit]

Dear MONGO, I just want to personally invite you to come support this proposal to create a World Trade Center WikiProject. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks! CookieMonster755 📞 03:17, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

My time online is very limited in recent months but I'll consider it if it gets appproved. Thank you for the invite.--MONGO 12:56, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
MONGO, it has not been approved because it needs more support. That's why I am asking you to come write support so we can get the project going! :) ✉cookiemonster✉ 𝚨755𝛀 02:16, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others closed[edit]

An arbitration case regarding Gamaliel and others has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

  1. Gamaliel is admonished for multiple breaches of Wikipedia policies and guidelines including for disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, removing a speedy deletion notice from a page he created, casting aspersions, and perpetuating what other editors believed to be a BLP violation.
  2. DHeyward and Gamaliel are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with or discussing each other anywhere on Wikipedia, subject to the usual exemptions.
  3. DHeyward (talk · contribs) is admonished for engaging in incivility and personal attacks on other editors. He is reminded that all editors are expected to engage respectfully and civilly with each other and to avoid making personal attacks.
  4. For conduct which was below the standard expected of an administrator — namely making an incivil and inflammatory close summary on ANI, in which he perpetuated the perceived BLP violation and failed to adequately summarise the discussion — JzG is admonished.
  5. Arkon is reminded that edit warring, even if exempt, is rarely an alternative to discussing the dispute with involved editors, as suggested at WP:CLOSECHALLENGE.
  6. The community is encouraged to hold an RfC to supplement the existing WP:BLPTALK policy by developing further guidance on managing disputes about material involving living persons when that material appears outside of article space and is not directly related to article-content decisions.

For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:39, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others closed

Precious anniversary[edit]

Four years ago ...
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refuges of wildlife
... you were recipient
no. 166 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda.--MONGO 06:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
nicer than arbcom (above), isn't it? - I archive those soon, normally, but kept one longer, dangerous thoughts, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Five years now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:17, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Translation from Persian to English[edit]

Hi. Few people can translate Persian to English. How can I prove that that message published in an important national daily newspaper was translated correctly? Maadikhah (talk) 18:11, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

It is something about Iran, so it is natural to use a resource in Persian. This is Mohammad Khatami's message about the attacks:

Hamshahri Newspaper - Report on Mohammad Khatami's Messege Regarding September 11 Attacks. 2001-09-12. (Persian). Hamshahri. 2001-09-12. Archived by Mohammad Sadeghi, Computer Science Department, University of Valladolid. Permanent Archived Link. Retrieved and archived on September 1, 2016. 5:39:57 PM UTC. Permanent Archived Link at WebCite. Translation by Google Translate.

Please guide me to add this resource, so that the statements there would be more verifiable. I am an ELT student and am fluent in English. I am an Iranian and my mother tongue is Persian. I have not used anything but my language knowledge in translation of this text. Thanks. Maadikhah (talk) 18:23, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

The link to Google Translate's translation is for readers who cannot understand Persian. Maadikhah (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Copied to Talk:September 11 attacks--MONGO 03:21, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Response to 9/11 Notice by MONGO[edit]

Please take the time to look at the sources I used to cite the text that I added and you removed from the page. They are historical facts, not to be debated.

I understand that there is a problem with people defacing these article. A quick look at the history proves this. All I ask is that you make sure that you are able to separate the garbage from good information. I have not defaced the article. I am not a conspiracy theorist. I urge you to think critically for a moment; we must be vigilant and adhere to the truth.

I will be adding this content back into the article. What you do from there is up to you.

--Mannydantyla (talk) 14:27, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

You cannot just state "They are historical fact, not to be debated" and "I will be adding this content back into the article". The Encyclopedia is a collaboration between editors and not a battleground. You risk being blocked from editing if you continue to edit war. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 16:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

I would like to refer MONGO and others to the following resources if you have not seem them already:

- Especially the section on established editors within "Critiquing with guidelines and policies":
  • "The appearance of cavalier rejection without explanation is inflammatory and may result in a hostile encounter on Talk pages that is hard to correct."
^^^ that one looks like a good read for you as well
  • I'm learning that wikipedia "culture" is extremely institutional! And all you "established editors" need to understand that your hastily conceived reactions to my attempt to better an article is not well received.

Can we see where I'm coming from?

--Mannydantyla (talk) 00:39, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry you feel that way.--MONGO 01:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

"See Also" on American Airlines flight 11 etc[edit]

I may have inadvertently touched off an edit war in the See Also section... since you seem an expert, do you think we should we link all the various airline flight pages on each of the other flight pages? Basically when I first hit the page I read the article, got to the bottom and wondered "huh what was the other plane called? no link?" Others may have the same issue or maybe I'm just being dumb : ) Hornpipe2 (talk) 21:12, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Traditionally it isn't necessary to add a link in the See Also section if that link is already provided in the body of the article. However, adding another isn't really a detriment to the article.--MONGO 21:32, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
As a footnote to above, while it isn't as readily available, in the drop down box at the end of the article titled September 11 attacks, all the articles are also linked under the Hijacked airlines subsection.--MONGO 21:36, 13 September 2016 (UTC)


MONGO, Leaf is a gorgeous article that appears to require lotsa work to significantly improve the article. I don't have the time to work on it. I donno whether you may have the time, motivation or inclination to work on the article. Best, Ijon Tichy (talk) 01:38, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

I'll take a look but I'm very busy in real life. Thank you.--MONGO 04:12, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Shonen enjoying bird pictures..[edit]

...and letting visitors to her page enjoy them too! Try edit her page, see fine effect in edit notice, achieved with help of little RexxS's carousel skills! Cordially, bishzilla ROARR!! 18:51, 21 October 2016 (UTC).

Franklin case[edit]

Hi Mongo,

Your reasons for totally deleting ALL my changes is unjustified. The references you cite as not reliable sources - ie and Youtube, are actually references to the ITV Yorkshire Television documentary.

Most other references are to published books, and newspaper articles, such as the New York Times. I would ask you to reconsider this deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toiredundemoshunal (talkcontribs) 05:35, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Its a contentious article and any changes implicating anyone, even indirectly or by insinuation requires discussion at that page beforehand. If you read through older discussions this has been a long standing issue there.--MONGO 05:41, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I understand that. Could you indicate where I have implicated anyone? Some of my changes are just adding subheadings and clarifying the chronology. No need to delete when it adds clarity? At this point, the article is incredibly fluffy. Also, can you direct me to the talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toiredundemoshunal (talkcontribs) 05:55, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I recommend you seek further discussion at that article's talkpage...others may agree with you. I would avoid all discussion regarding King and the embezzle issues as that has all the appearances of guilt by association.--MONGO 06:04, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Its at the tab next to Article tab...also, if you look at the banners, there are 7 older archives of talkpages.--MONGO 06:07, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Well... OK. Larry King's name was on the page before I touched it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Toiredundemoshunal (talkcontribs)
Try opening up a discussion at Talk:Franklin child prostitution ring allegations. the page doesn't have a lot of followers, but much of what the "fable" entails has been widely discredited as a conspiracy theory.--MONGO 06:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
OK, will do when I have the time. The page as it stands is sloppy. What is a BLP infraction? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toiredundemoshunal (talkcontribs) 04:45, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge[edit]

50k Challenge poster.jpg You are invited to participate in the 50,000 Challenge, aiming for 50,000 article improvements and creations for articles relating to the United States. This effort began on November 1, 2016 and to reach our goal, we will need editors like you to participate, expand, and create. See more here!

--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:37, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

Scale of justice 2.svg Hello, MONGO. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2016 election, please review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Oi!, MC Mong-face ...[edit]

Lol...Mong face. Merry Christmas!--MONGO 10:20, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a wonderful time of the year![edit]

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Christmas tree worms live under the sea...they hide in their shells when they see me,
So with camera in hand I captured a few, and decorated them to share with you. Face-grin.svg
Atsme📞📧 15:41, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Very nice! Merry Christmas!--MONGO 10:18, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


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Nollaig shona duit
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Better late than never! Hope you had a good one. Ceoil (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
I hope yours were better than mine...lets just put it at that. Happy belated holidays!--MONGO 18:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Hmm. Things usually get worse before they get better. Ceoil (talk) 02:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC)


Just a test.--MONGO 17:45, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day![edit]

Balloons-aj.svg Hey, MONGO. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day!
Lepricavark (talk) 01:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Wow...its been 12 years! Thanks!--MONGO 14:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Many congratulations on this special occasion. Please keep up your excellent work. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:04, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you kind Sir.--MONGO 20:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Not around much[edit]

Notorious MONGO not around much lately! Missed! bishzilla ROARR!! 11:26, 26 February 2017 (UTC).

Just so busy I haven't been able to contribute any. Miss you too!--MONGO 11:08, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Glacier[edit]

Why are you deleting the information I added? Are my sources unreliable?

Mongo, I have reliable sources. Why are you deleting what I added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C6:4004:60:C0EB:F416:2BD9:4D93 (talk) 17:32, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

No idea what posts you made since your IP constantly changes.--MONGO 13:12, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago[edit]

Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

That's a long time ago! Thanks Gerda!--MONGO 20:11, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
We all start out with such good intentions don't we? Best wishes, Mongfather. That was indeed a long time ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:34, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
I changed Wikipedia forever! Well, almost.--MONGO 20:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Many congratulations and thanks for all your help. David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:58, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for yours too.--MONGO 20:59, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Bridge (NHRP Louisville, Nebraska) listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Bridge (NHRP Louisville, Nebraska). Since you had some involvement with the Bridge (NHRP Louisville, Nebraska) redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. MB 01:01, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Banff National Park[edit]

Hi Mongo, I'm thinking about rerunning this one at WP:TFA on Nov 25, the anniversary of its establishment as a nature reserve. Has the article held up well over the years? - Dank (push to talk) 19:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

It went through a FARC in 2016 and I did a bunch of updates especially in the geology and glacier sections and the article was kept as a FA. It has been 11 years since it was mainpaged.--MONGO 19:57, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Great, thanks. Btw, the linkchecker found some dead links. - Dank (push to talk) 20:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)