User talk:MSGJ

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That template[edit]

Can you please delete the template now, can you also delete the TFD as the person mention has no baring on the discussion and shouldnt have her name dragged thru the mud like its being when she has no direct involvement in the discussion, we have a policy called WP:BLP that says do no harm well its doing harm, we also allow for courtesy deletion in such cases. While the current discussion exists I'm unable to resolve the licensing wording even though the people involved want to make the text available are/were willing to discuss and reword the permission requirements. 01:49, 18 September 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gnangarra (talkcontribs)

Hi Gnangarra, I'll delete the template via G7 now, as consensus is clear. I'm wary of closing the discussion as it was my nomination but it should be procedurally closed shortly. I can't see any "dragging through the mud" - the discussion seems civil and constructive to me - so I'm not sure that blanking is needed or appropriate. But I don't oppose if it is genuinely causing some distress. Sorry you don't like the way this turned out - I was sincerely trying to find the best solution for Wikipedia. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:46, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
the problem is not in how it turned out but how OTRS was handled in that it would have been no issue to make an adjustment to the email if I had been given the opportunity to discuss rather than the way the OTRS agent reacted, as for the discussion yes it is a problem and needs her name to be removed, hopefully then I can rebuild the situation and get the permission adjusted, I'll be in need of sanitising my talk page as well. (sorry for not signing the first post, my preference should have prevented that) Gnangarra 12:13, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Jeremy Corbyn[edit]

Thanks for those changes - I was busy working out what to do while you were making the edit, unfortunately. I've added some thoughts on the talk page, so if you need to discuss further we can do it there. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:22, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

I've reverted for now and I'll check back later. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:26, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Recent decision[edit]

I saw that User:Kwamikagami had been blocked for edit-warring, so I read the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. I know about the 3RR rule, and I don't have any vested interest in either side of the dispute, but I'd really like to understand it. If no one can come up with a source that gives an estimate of the number of speakers of a language, is a source needed to support saying just that? That seems somehow illogical to me. I'd really like to understand this. I'd appreciate any insight you can provide. Corinne (talk) 17:02, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

@Corinne: I don't know and I don't intend to get into that content dispute. But exceeding 3RR is not acceptable. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:04, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

90.222.127.214 ‎block[edit]

I'd like to share with you what I left at 90.222.127.214's talk page, since I believe they will remove it like they had all my other messages to their talk page. This derogatory edit summary was 90.222.127.214's first interaction with me, and they've continued making personal attacks at me, only genuinely engaging the content being disputed and "willing to compromise" after being the report for edit warring had been filed. ([1]). Before that, all that was said by them were hostile edit summaries aimed at me and dismissing the policies I cited, which were valid and relevant ([2], [3], [4], [5], [6]). I hope the next admin who will review their block will be aware of this and not believe what 90.222.127.214 last wrote at their talk page. Dan56 (talk) 16:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Opinion on a template[edit]

A while back I note I created {{Un-confirmpermission1}} as an alternative to the F11 user warning.

I'd like an opinion on whether it could be reworded.

I have no objections to you asking other contributors for a view. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:15, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

The message looks fine to me, but I'm really not the right person to ask about files, copyright, etc. as my knowledge is extremely limited. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:19, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Concerns regarding edit warring[edit]

My disgust for others now apparently has to extend to you as well. I issued the full statement only in the last post. Did it ever occur to you that there is no really reasonable way to determine whether something has or has not received support when no one has even directly responded to it yet? I am I regret to say coming more and more to the opinion that those who seek to preemptively judge everything may well be worse than Kumioko himself, and, if this sort of conduct is becoming more the rule around here, he may be closer to being right than I would like to admit. John Carter (talk) 15:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Aziz Sancar[edit]

Just before full protection expires, I'm going to switch it over to a semi as, judging from the talk page, we'll have a free-for-all if the article is unprotected. Any thoughts? --NeilN talk to me 14:23, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Sounds good. The issue is definitely not resolved on the talk page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:26, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello Here is a Video Interwiev on YouTube. He says he is turkish! Please correct the article. He is not kurdish. Or leave the ethnicity away. Now everyone knows which ethnicity he has! The Video-Link: http://youtube.de/FPWBOU0z0aM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergün.Y. (talkcontribs) 14:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

The article's talk page is that way ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:45, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Aziz Sancar[edit]

MSGJ, the request is to remove the ethnicity claims in the "Early life and career" heading. His Turkish nationality is not being debated; rather, the "debate" is about whether he is an Arab/Kurd/Turk, ethnically. 86.171.92.242 (talk) 15:30, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Zucchero Fornaciari and Renato Vallanzasca[edit]

Please stop the edit war in the above mentioned page. It's been started by the same user that forced you to protect the page "Mafia". --87.6.116.237 (talk) 15:50, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll explain immediately:
Renato Vallanzasca: his edit is uncorrect, you can watch the result here, as you can see the IPA is corrupted.
Zucchero: first, we both undid each others revision twice, not 3 times, and I'm not going beyond before an administrator intervenes; second, his edit on the talk page is totally useless both because the problem on the article page was solved before and because in the article his "source" has already been inserted by another user.
In the first case, he keeps making a disruptive edit, while in the second case he keeps adding pointless information which has already been provided in the article.
I'll not edit anything till you or another administrator decide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.20.81.64 (talk) 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello MSGJ. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#Two IPs reported by User:151.20.75.83 (Result: ) which is apparently a report of the same dispute. Perhaps you know something about this? Both sides of the dispute are hopping IPs. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:47, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, haven't had time to look at this today. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Liam Payne[edit]

Hello,

As per your suggestion I had resubmitted the Liam Payne draft, and unfortunately it was once again denied. At this point I am at a bit of a loss as to what would qualify him as notable. I have continued to improve upon the sources and yet to no avail. I'm not sure how to proceed or if this is a lost cause. Please, let me know. It's definitely quite frustrating that a member of a world famous boyband who has worked with and for countless other artists and organizations as an individual, not just a member of the band and who has more followers on social media platforms than some countries have people is considered not notable enough for a wikipedia page.

Thank you for your help.

Beecee14 (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure how that can be denied on notability, with a list of sources as long as my arm. I've listed the article at WP:DRV to get input from others. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you I really appreciate your help. I guess I should keep adding to the sources just in case, considering he gets an article written about him at least once a week. Beecee14 (talk) 02:41, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again. Just wondering, do we wait now and see what other say in the WP:DRV. Beecee14 (talk) 23:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

On copy/paste duplications[edit]

Hello. When copying content from one page to another without moving the edit history along with it, it is required of the license of our content that attribution be given to the source. This can be done in an edit summary. I have added it for you here.

Thanks for your help on the Causal loop article. HighInBC 14:24, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I must be blind. I see you did link to the article in your summary. Well, at least I added the revision number. Just ignore me, I have not yet had my coffee. HighInBC 14:26, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

  • TPS: And Template:Copied may also be added to the article talk page, which often provides a much more public and obvious attribution and recognition of the contributions of previous editors for the copy-pasted text. The template probably should be used more often, especially where the copy-paste forms a significant portion of an article. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:29, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks Guys. I treat draft articles much like template sandboxes, as they are working areas not facing the reader. Are you telling me that I shouldn't copy a template to its sandbox without attribution? Is it not obvious that a draft article would contain edits from its mainspace article? Do we really need to worry about this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:33, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
  • The template notice, Template:Copied, applies to article text and other creative content. Some tables and templates may qualify as creative content. In your example, if you are copying a template to the linked sandbox of the same template in order to make suggested changes to the same template, attribution is not necessary IMO, because if the changes to the template are adopted the changes will be shown in the template's edit history together with all edits that came before. (Am I understanding your question correctly?) The problem arises when someone copy-pastes, or cut-and-pastes, text or other creative content from one page to another, thus breaking the chain of attribution present in the edit history of the original page. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 14:45, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

This has more to do with the CC BY-SA 3.0 License that all the text of Wikipedia is licensed under than any Wikipedia practice. Technically all the content of Wikipedia still belongs to the contributors, we just use it through an open license that requires attributions. Any publication that publishes the content must give attribution. The software automatically maintains this through the revision history, but cannot automatically track copy/paste moves.

The bare minimum needed is a link to the page which you did, though a link to the history is better as it contains all of the revisions. Dirtlawyer points out a handy template just for that. I was not paying attention when I left that message to you, I think you met the minimum requirements with your link in the edit summary. HighInBC 18:47, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Yossimgim[edit]

With respect to this revert, I knew the user was blocked when I sent that notice (as I explained in it), but the block was enacted on the rationale of their edit warring on Natalie Portman, while I was concentrating on their disrespect of (two) other users' talk pages, which I personally find particularly heinous behavior. In my opinion, they need to know that that behavior will also be reported if it continues. LjL (talk) 12:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Okay, no problem! There is also another message about that above my block message. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I had missed that one, maybe it will be enough to get the message across. LjL (talk) 12:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

EWN close[edit]

MSGJ, do you mind explaining how you concluded that egregious, disruptive edit warring, evidenced by multiple diffs and the linked talk discussion, is "no violation"? Especially when two other editors at the article had also fixed his inappropriate edits? Lapadite (talk) 00:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The diffs you provided were spread over 3 days (17-19 October). If you can show me more than 3 reverts within 24 hours I will look again. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
One can see in the edit history he reverted or partially reverted edits more than twice in one day. It's not a 3RR report, regardless (I clarified that), it's disruptive edit warring. 3RR doesn't need to be violated (and I would presume you'd know editors can circumvent it to avoid block) in order to report edit warring; WP:EW says: "Users who engage in edit wars risk being blocked or even banned. An editor who repeatedly restores his or her preferred version is edit warring regardless of whether their edits were justifiable...The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so." And I see in EWN that you've recently blocked an IP that, according to diffs, didn't violate 3RR; another IP that didn't violate 3RR; and "warned" another IP that "Hasn't violated 3RR yet". Here, you didn't even "warn", it was just "no violation". So I'm baffled by your passive decision here. Lapadite (talk) 20:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
In the absence of a 3RR violation I'd want to see a pattern of disruptive actions, and I'm just not seeing that here. I've just looked again - he/she makes relatively few reverts and is willing to discuss. Far from being an edit warrior, they seem to be conducting themself rather well. I suggest you drop this now. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
You're saying 10 reverts across three days, 6 in one day - while discussion is open and most against talk points per WP policies and guidelines - is not disruptive edit warring? And another editor on the report and here stated he has done this before. Commenting on talk page does not equal collaboration, listening to others' points. He only edited per his pov, ignoring concerns of things like WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE, WP:CLOP. And now you've even strike the "reminder". This is beyond baffling. Moreover, he has since made another rv, again ignoring talk points, restoring close paraphrase, extraneous quote (which was also removed by another editor), and previously-removed overlink, [7]. That's not disruptive? That's what happens when someone disruptively editing warring is essentially told 'you're not doing anything wrong'. @Huon, Bbb23, Cyphoidbomb, and Heimstern: Pinging other admins on EWN for "second opinions". Lapadite (talk) 00:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea why I was pinged here, but at a glance it seems Lapadite would do better to try and establish a consensus than to try and get other editors blocked. Huon (talk) 00:46, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Huon, I think that's not a very good faith accusation, and it says why you were one of the ones pinged ("other admins on EWN for "second opinions"). Establish consensus? Please do see talk and edit history. I reasoned several times per WP:PAG on talk, another editor there agreed with several of my points, my edits pertaining to that dispute also adjusted to discussion, and a couple of tother editors that did not comment on talk also reverted some of Gothicfilm's edits. Gothicfilm reverted or partially reverted constructive edits from 3 different editors now, myself included, moreover, he began the reverting in the first place and continued the reverting multiple times despite talk discussion, without establishing consensus; ignoring WP:BRD. I don't see commentary on his obvious wrongdoing here, which is still continuing as I linked. "No violation", not even a warning, is frankly absurd and gives the wrong message. And I don't know what MSGJ was trying to convey by striking their "reminder" to Gothicfilm in the report, but I don't see it as beneficial. Lapadite (talk) 02:05, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Antispoof[edit]

I am on the #wikipedia-en IRC channel right now. I just want to let you know that MediaWiki:Antispoof-conflict-bottom has been deleted. I tried to figure out the problem myself but coudlnt quite understand. I figured you mustve had a reason for creating that page so I wanted to let you know it had to be deleted. Soap 15:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

It has been deleted by MusikAnimal for reasons explained in the deletion log. I suggest you discuss this at MediaWiki talk:Antispoof-conflict-bottom. Regards — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:58, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

You are being discussed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Vandalism_of_page_tags_by_nationalist_tag-team.2C_Iryna_Harpy_and_Faustian

User:82.41.251.96[edit]

Further to the strong warning you gave them a couple of days ago, User:82.41.251.96 is still slow-reverting against consensus on the same article, and emptily honking the arbitration horn in edit summaries, without actually trying to resolve the dispute anywhere. --McGeddon (talk) 23:26, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hey thank you for your support of the page List of rapid transit systems in Pakistan. I'm really thankful to you.

Mohsin17 (talk) 15:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)