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Thanks for being prepared to help a newbie![edit]

Hello, thanks for your message! I'd like to help out and get involved in any way I can, even if it's just copyediting and checking spellings. I have a number of skills that might be useful. I'm currently a (mature) history undergraduate student, so I have research and evidence-gathering/checking skills, and things like referencing and footnotes are now second nature to me. I can write - my essays for my course last year were at distinction level, and I also write fiction and non-fiction for pleasure. I also have quite a good eye for spelling and punctuation errors (I will be quite embarrassed if I've missed any in this message!!).

I agree with you that writing about subjects that interest one is far more fun and interesting. My main interests include: music (of most types), history, books and literature, the arts generally, and I am a passionate football fan. If that gives you any ideas as to where my skills might best be used I'd be glad to know!

Cheers! :)

MilesAwayGirl (talk) 17:30, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your message - today has ended up being a bit hectic, so I haven't had a chance to look into the link you sent. I'll get onto that over the weekend and get back to you. Have a great weekend! MilesAwayGirl (talk) 18:11, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello again! I had a lovely weekend, thanks (apart from all the snow!!). Hope all is well with you. Having had a think about your suggestions, I've concluded that it would probably be most sensible for me to start with the editing/maintenance side of things. I suspect that getting a grounding in this would make it easier when I actually come to write an article, and it would also build up my confidence and my knowledge of the way things work on Wikipedia. Feel free to let me know if you have any thoughts on this! Thanks for your time and input, it is much appreciated :) MilesAwayGirl (talk) 23:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your message and your concern. I've been unwell for the last couple of days, although I'm glad to say I'm feeling much better now. I have worked my way through the first of the Adoption tutorials you sent (and actually surprised myself by very much enjoying it - I never expected to find coding so interesting!!). I created a sandbox (which you can find at User:MilesAwayGirl/Sandbox - there you go, I'm applying my learning already!), and have been playing around with the various buttons on there. If you have any comments or suggestions, feel free to let me know. Thanks again, and looking forward to learning more :) MilesAwayGirl (talk) 22:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

DYKs, Wikicups and Chocolates[edit]

That ↑↑↑ has to be the best section heading I've seen in a while :)

  1. I've fixed my referencing stuff up on Cheung Prey. Thanks to you for pointing that out. I had a bundle of different web refs on the spiders open to read and then hit the cite web button and managed to get the wrong one - what an idiot.
  2. I do know that you're not in the Wikicup, I was just teasing you after this edit, which started a conversation about DYK reviewing.
  3. Louis Barnett (chocolatier) is a fascinating young man. What an amazing story. You managed to distract me from any productive editing for about 40 minutes. First reading your new article, then reading some of the references.

Keep those interesting articles coming! Cheers, Paxse (talk) 14:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

P.S. The expansion did begin on 27/1/09 (at least in my time zone). A week or so earlier I did some referencing and filling in infoboxes (for dozens of district articles) but the net length remained the same. The penalty for being one of the few editors working on Cambodian topics - I fill up the article history fairly easily ;) Paxse (talk) 15:00, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I definitely think Louis could be a great GA - I'd also be happy to help in any way I can. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 10:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

real-world notability[edit]

Hey Mac, I have a question for you, I hope you have (time for) an answer. I'm looking at Atom Eve. Does that article satisfy WP:Fiction? It has one not-primary source, mentioned in note 11, The Official Handbook of the Invincible Universe. Does that count as real-world information in the sense of wp:fiction? thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


I can try, but it will be a bit. I've seen the books in the bookstore and glanced through them. No ideas on names or page numbers though... Work slows down in 3 weeks... Hobit (talk) 18:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Live & Kicking[edit]

Hi are you going to be reviewing this article or... ? Majorly talk 15:45, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Please see the review page. Thanks, Majorly talk 18:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I'd appreciate a response. Thanks, Majorly talk 19:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
And again. Please consider watching the page, so I don't have to keep reminding you, otherwise this'll just drag out forver :) Majorly talk 15:39, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Please, please, please use the review page for discussion of the article, not my talk page. I've removed your comment to the review page, as I did with the last one. I'm watching the review page, as you should be, so I don't need pinging on my talk page. Please keep an eye on it so that this doesn't drag out even further than it has already. Please list all your objections at once, not one at a time, I'd really like to move on to another article, but you're dragging and dragging this out and not paying attention to it unless I ping you. Majorly talk 14:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It's disrespectful to ignore messages posted to you, and continue editing. It's just plain rude in fact. Please at least show some sign of response. It's just courteous. This article has been reviewed for a week now, and you're being extremely slow about it. When you accept a review, you take some responsibility to promptly respond to replies to concerns raised. You're doing lots of editing, so it's not like you're busy IRL or anything; you're just simply ignoring my messages. Without wanting to sound rude, I'm a bit fed up with how long you're taking over this, and your lack of communication. If this goes on, I'm going to insist on someone else reviewing this, if you can't take the time to bother replying to me. Thanks, Majorly talk 18:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Discussion about the early closure of afds[edit]

Hello, I noticed you have recently closed AfD debate(s) early and would like to direct you to a discussion currently in progress at the administrators noticeboard here relevent to the early closures of AfDs. Thankyou and happy editing! Sorry if you are already aware of this discussion. Foxy Loxy Pounce! 03:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Louis Barnett (chocolatier)[edit]

Updated DYK query On February 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Louis Barnett (chocolatier), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 19:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I know, it's depressing. Unfortunately page hits on the internet go to the lowest common denominator - like tabloid journalism. So the Lesbian-dwarf-drug-kitten-orgy article would probably top the all-time DYK rankings (especially with a picture). Inspiring articles on hard working young chaps like Louis who overcome tremendous difficulties - unfortunately don't stand a chance. Don't feel bad, you gave him his day in the sun on Wikipedia and 782 people got the message. A fine effort and a fine article, well done. Seriously though, Louis is almost ready for GA. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 12:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the suggestions! Actually, the "obsolete" reference is number 3, which is for p.453 of that reference; I think you were looking at the next reference down where it said p.99! Irontobias (talk) 09:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

You can't search reference 3 online? I found it easy enough just through google books -- which is why I gave the ISBN number (ISBN 067172228X) to allow "searching" from libraries and databases worldwide. I know the "some" is ambiguous, which is why I gave a reference; thereby avoiding weasel words... If you like though, you can change the statement to "considered obsolete by Miss Manners, .....". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irontobias (talkcontribs) 22:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
The link I have for the google books reference is -- but you can also click the ISBN number mentioned above to search all kinds of databases for the works. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Irontobias (talkcontribs) 02:33, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Louis Barnett[edit]

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Narmer Palette and other articles[edit]

I don't know if you feel like helping with this as an uninvolved Admin, but Rktect (talk · contribs) has great difficulty in understanding our OR policy and how to use talk pages. He has messed up so many articles I am considering an RfC or some such action. A recent example (and not as bad as others is this [1] which I reverted (edit history at [2]) and am slowly working on. A bigger problem is at Passage of the Red Sea - see recent edits and talk page. Most of his contributions are similar. He's been blocked several times for his OR since 2005 when this took place: WP:Requests for arbitration/Rktect. He turns talk pages into forums and mini-articles. And, to cap it off, he can't spell, punctuate or write well. He is I think well-intentioned but unable to understand or accept that his contributions are not within policy and guidelines. Any help or advice that you can give will be appreciated. Thanks. dougweller (talk) 19:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I wondered about ANI, I'll do that if you don't think it'll be fobbed off as a content dispute. Thanks, I understand why you don't want to get involved. I don't want to either, but I don't want to give up on some of the articles he edits either, so... dougweller (talk) 21:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Watching brief[edit]

Happy to keep an eye on it for you. I'll be on and off for the next 6/7 hours. I'll make sure it stays where it should. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 10:11, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Lydia Price / Kai Mullins[edit]

Re these two articles - err, ok, they may assert notability, but the articles are actually totally fake - these people have nothing to do with the Eurovision song contest. I'm little upset you didn't check the assertation before removing the tags..... CultureDrone (talk) 10:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I retagged them thanks. So basically, if an article about a person is blatantly rubbish, but makes one assertation of notability (which could itself be blatantly false), then you can't use CSD A7, but have to use G3 instead ? I know it's probably correct, but isn't it nit-picking just a little ? CultureDrone (talk) 10:45, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
No problem - I'll put it down to an admin overload :-) I'll try and be more accurate with the CSD reasons in future. CultureDrone (talk) 11:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

SORCE Intranet[edit]

Wondering about this edit of yours. Since when can one decline a prod, I thought one can only contest it to get it to AFD? Oh and btw, I noticed you deleted an article as A1 earlier that was in Swedish - you should avoid doing that. But otherwise you did good, I noticed some good declines that other admins would have deleted against policy. Regards SoWhy 11:58, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for your message according redirect correction by xqbot. I checked the given edits an some others. I feel you are right. The bot did edits twice, one for tagging the delete-Template and one for fixing double redirection. But the last one doesn't make sence because the bot could not solve a self link. I just did a bug request by the pywikipedia framework to solve this problem. I will change my bots script to ignore placing the template until the official bug fix is published. Thanks again for your help --Xqt (talk) 18:03, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

United Nations Security Council Resolution 884[edit]

Regarding your closure of the AFD at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_884. You said "While a merge may be a valid outcome, AFD is not the venue to discuss mergers." Can you please direct me to the correct place. Thank you. VartanM (talk) 21:35, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. VartanM (talk) 00:52, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Stanley[edit]

Having pictures in a stock photography site does not establish notability as far as I know. I can sign up for one and upload my work, and that wouldn't make me a recognized or particularly important photographer. The article included two stock photo sites as sources, which is exactly 50% of all the sources it provided, which is why I mentioned WP:RELIABLE. And I did not offer an alternative because I wasn't aware that I had to do so in order to offer an opinion on an AfD, unless I'm missing something. §FreeRangeFrog 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

WP:BEFORE places the onus on the nominator, not on editors offering an opinion for exclusion or inclusion consensus, and I believe that the current state of the article is an important metric on the decision on most cases. Once an AfD tag is placed on the article, the author(s) should strive to establish the notability of the subject (or back up claims related to said notability). That certainly did not happen, or I would have not offered a delete opinion. The sources offered there are a single book (which fails WP:AUTHOR), two stock photography sites (I like a lot of stuff on many of those but that doesnt' mean that the photographers are notable and I don't create articles on WP about them) and his own website. A cursory gsearch (which I did perform before commenting) revealed nothing more relevant. It should be relatively simple to establish notability on a photographer these days, but as far as I can tell that's not even possible in this case. If you feel my opinion is incorrect and can offer a source which establishes notability, I'll be glad to reverse my vote, as I did here in good faith. Otherwise, my recommendation to delete stands. Wikipedia is supposed to document notability, not help establish it, which is what I think would happen in this case - again, barring additional sources. Cheers. §FreeRangeFrog 18:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

OTRS permissions - idle query[edit]

Hi MGM - I was browsing the helpdesk and saw your response to a question about adding details of OTRS permission to an image file. It's something I'd been wondering idly about myself, having stumbled across {{Template:PermissionOTRS}} - is it only OTRS volunteers who should add these to file pages? Is this template even in active use? I couldn't find much documentation about it. Cheers for any help you can give. Gonzonoir (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, gotcha. Cheers. Gonzonoir (talk) 20:34, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taylor Thompson (2nd nomination)[edit]

Ha! Thanks for your note, which I saw after I read your comment and did what you suggested. I'm a slow learner... Drmies (talk) 21:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

ExperVision DRV[edit]

The draft article has been changed somewhat and now has several new references, I was wondering if you would mind re-examining your position in light of the changes. Thanks Beeblebrox (talk) 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for Bezgovo cvrtje[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bezgovo cvrtje. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.


Since you don't appear to be interested in finishing the Live & Kicking review, I've posted to GAN talk for opinions of other reviewers on your behaviour. Majorly talk 15:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

CSD Essay G7[edit]

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Cameron Inquiry[edit]

Now that Gonzonoir improved it dramatickly would you reconsider? Thanks. Ntb613 (talk) 17:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of NickAlphabeta/Alphabeta Translation Services[edit]

Hi. last month you deleted NickAlphabeta/Alphabeta Translation Services as CSD A7, but I thought it seemed that the creation of the page might have been in error and the creator, User:NickAlphabeta, likely intended to create a page in the user space. Wouldn't a move to the user's subpage have been an appropriate solution? (The user hasn't been editing since, though, so this is probably moot.) --Paul_012 (talk) 07:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

he-e-e deletion; whats wrong with you?[edit] copywrite infringment? im sorry i just wonder what some guy from the netherlands knows about hopi and zuni indian tribal fetishes, and why dont you contact that site and ask them if they are using the book "hopi kachinkas" by jessie walter fewkes to describe their products, because thats where i 'blatantly infringed' that text from, and concidering that it is litterally the only book on the subject from the period when kachinka culture was still thriving, it is used, as i describe in the talk page on kachinkas, im going to repost this page and your welcome to not like it, but in the future, maybe find out if more than 1 person on the internet might be working from the same hardcopy text to describe a obscure subject.--Tophatdan (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F Cobb Shipwreck[edit]

Hello MacGyverMagic, I just finished some heavy editing on the Nathan F Cobb article. I haven't located the source yet to make the last two corrections that you suggested. I don't think citations are needed in the Infobox as the same citation is used in the body of the article. I left them there for now. --Wpwatchdog (talk) 15:05, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: User:AfdStatBot[edit]

That is a good idea! If a user requests it, the bot could create a subpage on their user page with an up-to-date list of all the open AfDs s/he has commented in with various statistics. It could even leave messages on a talk page if a nominator's AfD is closed. I'll look through the code and see how feasible that would be, although I'm already gathering participant lists so it shouldn't be that hard. I don't think I have time right now to extend it, but I might be able to get to it this week. I'll submit it for approval as is, with a note that it may be extended, and see what happens. Thanks! Stu (aeiou) 15:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. The people at RFBA don't like the excessive edits either. Stu (aeiou)I'm Researching Wikipedia 12:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I love money 3[edit]

Speedy delete G4 recreation wouldn't apply as the previously deleted versions were deleted for copyright reasons. G4 doesn't apply to speedy deleted articles. I think it would be safe to say that the AfD could be closed early as a snowball close, but not as a speedy delete G4. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Re your message: It wasn't quite the same though. Most of the copyrighted stuff was in the lead and that was changed. The table was the same on each recreation, but was just a figment of somebody's imagination, not part of the copied text. Eh, whatever, I really don't want to argue about the technicalities. =) The article was going to get deleted anyways. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 01:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


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The Barnstar of Peace is awarded to users who have helped to peacefully resolve conflicts on Wikipedia. This Barnstar is awarded to User:MacGyverMagic for his peaceful resolution of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KT Manu Musliar. Wikipedia needs more even headed and fair minded editors like you. Thank you. Ikip (talk) 12:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
you deserved it. I tend to be rather aggressive and emotional in AfDs. I see AfDs as a personal attack against an editors hard work (usually a new editor). This behavior is often counter productive, because it makes the nominating editor mad, and unwilling to close a Afd.
You were the better editor, and saw past my goading, and realized we are here for the project and the encyclopedic content, not to score points, off each other.
So you were the better person in this AfD, and sincerely deserve this barnstar.
My only hope is that in the future you will think twice before nominating an article for deletion. See: WT:ARS#Fifth_formerly_deleted_article_recreated_and_advanced_to_GA-Class, where it is written:
With John W. Rogers, Jr. yesterday being promoted to Good Article, and counting Manny Harris, Nate Parker, Toni Preckwinkle and Tory Burch, I have created articles for five formerly deleted articles and taken them to WP:GA-class. I am making the announcement since I only have one rescue barnstar and there seem to be several different ones.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:39, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
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Malaka Dewapriya[edit]

Could you please give your contribution to this article Malaka Dewapriya Best (Jets (talk) 17:58, 10 February 2009 (UTC))

Template:Archives searchable/doc[edit]

The summary "/doc for merged template" was meant to mean "the template for which this page is documentation has been merged; therefore this is orphaned". It's been established that orphaned docs are valid G8 targets (although I've never had a problem nominating them as G6 before). Could you delete the page? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 12:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

New adoption tutorial.[edit]

Thanks for setting that up! I've had a quick read through the page you linked to, and will get onto the tutorial exercise at some point over the next couple of days, hopefully tomorrow evening. I'm back at uni now, and the first week of term is always busy - but it should all settle down quickly. Hope all is well with you. Take care :) MilesAwayGirl (talk) 00:45, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

your advice?[edit]

Hi MGM, sorry to bother you, but this really rubbed me the wrong way--and apparently all because of a mild vandalism warning for a silly act of vandalism. Your advice is, as always, appreciated. 05:31, 12 February 2009 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Drmies (talkcontribs)

  • Personally, I wouldn't do anything except revert and ignore unless they do it again. It might be offensive and annoying, but taking any action other than ignoring him, might encourage the vandal to continue. - Mgm|(talk) 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I guess you're right...and I think I knew that all along. Thanks, this is good advice, Drmies (talk) 15:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Wipe of personal info[edit]

Hi MGM - I'm looking for an admin online - do you have the tools to wipe personal identification info left on talk pages. It was accidentally left here and here. If you can't do it, who can I ask?. thx Power.corrupts (talk) 12:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

bringing home bacon...[edit]

...for a bacon explosion? Well, this can be explained. Americans love bacon, and love hearing about it. Also, WP is an internet buzz thing, and so was this bacon explosion. It kind of falls in place, esp. if you consider that eating something as, well, disgusting as a bacon explosion is also thumbing your nose at the liberal health-establishment (or whatever Baconators might call that consipiracy), I think. I don't know if Chicken fried bacon will be as successful though. Later, Drmies (talk) 22:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F. Cobb[edit]

Hello MacGyverMagic, I just found a new source for the Nathan F Cobb article from the Annual Report of the Operations of the United States Life-Saving Services for the Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 1897, which clears some things up about the rescue efforts. It also clarifies that the first rescue boat was carried down on a man drawn wagon and the second one was carried down. It also includes that Hiram Shaw was the District 7 Superintendent and had dispatched to the Jupiter Inlet Life Saving Station to send a life saving beach apparatus via train. I think this source really helps the article. Also, I found another source that may or may not be helpful and is not included in the article. It is a NY Times archived article from June 20, 1892 and chronicles a disturbance between crew members ending with charges against the captain and one mate. The article states they were in route from Mobile, AL to New York. It may be irrelavant though, since it presumably wasn't the only route it took. I have it edited and looked over by others, before you review it again. Thanks. Sammyknoxg (talk) 22:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


dumbo. Who looks for pages to delete like that? do you know anyone called barney naylor? srsly, get a life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DDMC (talkcontribs) 09:35, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

  • From DDMC: Just shut up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DDMC (talkcontribs) 09:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/People from Musselburgh[edit]

Hi MacGyverM. I am newcomer to Wiki so I apologise in advance for any foulups with policy I am about to make in this note. On 2 Feb, I attempted to edit an existing article called "Musselburgh" by adding another "See Also" link to an article called "People from Musselburgh". This was immediately pounced upon and tagged for speedy deletion. I don't understand this. The article "People from Musselburgh" has now been deleted yet this was not the article I attempted to edit. It was already a fully accepted or approved article in its own right, so why was it deleted? The main article " Musselburgh" still has the link I created but of course the link goes nowhere. I am from Musselburgh and I am not famous nor am I ever likely to become so, but I found both these articles extremely interesting - and factually correct. Grateful for your insight into why these administrative actions were taken. Thanks Tantallon67 (talk) 10:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


Dear Sir, I have had some helpful comment from you. My article (*User:Ali_nankali/Nankali-post_system ) was deleted and another person helped me to restore it. It seems to that that I have changed it to more reliable type. I wondered if I could have a quick feedback from you. Thank you in advance. --Ali nankali (talk) 11:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment. I will try to follow it and then will ask you your idea if possible. Thanks a lot.--Ali nankali (talk) 16:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Sioux Falls, Iowa[edit]

Just check out this page — there's an organised effort to contact the Register. Nyttend (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

You've got mail[edit]

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Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kougari Oval[edit]

Care to take another look? Grutness...wha? 00:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Now this was fun,,,,[edit]

When I first visited this AfD, I went and checked the article's histories, to see how the nom took a work-on-progress diff and hit it like a shotgun diff with no discussion and only a none-too-subtle declaration of UGH on the talk page. With a little due diligence, I was able to refute the WP:UGH claim of non-notability and turn the article into THIS. My question: Why do so many editors hate WP:BEFORE and WP:ATD ? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:47, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

  • I think the main reason is ease of use. AFD gets you lots of comments you might miss out on or have to wait weeks for elsewhere on Wikipedia. If you believe something needs attention immediately, AFD is the way to get it. If cleanup was done more regularly or if WikiProjects had oft-visited cleanup noticeboards, I think that attitude might change. - Mgm|(talk) 09:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
    • That seems like the lazy man's way to say fix it or toss it... when he might have dome so himself but just couldn't be bothered. At least in this case it was kinda obvious that getting in fixed was not what was intended. It gets me grumpy sometimes... I spend so much time pulling books out of the bonfire, I have no time to read them. Feels like an electronic version of Farenheit 451. (sigh). Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Actually, a lot of people who nominate for AFD want the page improved rather than deleted. - Mgm|(talk) 09:15, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Harumph. I bump in to too few of those. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:19, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Reward Board[edit]

Hi, I have just seen your request on the Reward Board. Well, I have "referenced" an article and removed the {{noreferences}} : Schoolcraft College. So am I eligible for the award? I don't mind you posting on my mediocre talk page. Thanks! Zheliel 13:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F. Cobb[edit]

Good day MGM, I have made several changes to the Nathan F. Cobb article and believe it is suitable for you to review. I think everything you had addressed has been dealt with. Take care.Sammyknoxg (talk) 08:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

since you're online[edit]

Hey there MGM .. since you're online - any thoughts on my ACC post on the help desk? Do I just need to wait for someone from there to approve me? Boy that elimination date thing really sent up red flags for me ... lol. Anyway -- Hope life is treating ya well, and any help on the ACC thing would be appreciated. ;) — Ched (talk) 11:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

citation archiveurl[edit]

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My email is activated. Am at work for a few hours and am unable to spend more than the last couple minutes online here. I'll be home in a few hours. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:08, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I responded and my reply bounced. Try again? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:28, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Just bounced again... the one in the message. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:50, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: NewDYKnom[edit]

Hi MGM, thanks for your message. The new template was suggested by some people (mainly Gatoclass) partly because the old template was supposedly confusing to some (since the old template was actually two templates, {{subst:DYKsug}} and {{DYKsuggestion}}; partly because the old template generates lots of empty fields (like |creator4=, |expander4=, etc., which are almost never used) and puts lots of extra text on T:TDYK, making it take a while to load sometimes; and partly because, now that the template auto-generates credits (like {{DYKmake|Example|User}}), some people said it was no longer necessary to have neat creator = MacGyverMagic , nominator = Rjanag , etc., since those were mainly there to make it easy for people to copy-and-paste them into Next update.

There was some discussion of this in the past here (my talk page), and here and here.

The important thing is, even though it's technically a "new" template, the way you use it for nominating will be almost exactly the same as what you're used to. The only major difference is that there is no longer |creator= and |expander=; you just write |author= and the reviewers will sort it out (since they're supposed to be checking the history anyway for date of creation or if it was 5x expanded; you can still specify yourself as a creator or expander if you want, by using status=new or status=expanded (which are included in the examples that will be in the edit-notice, for copying-and-pasting purposes). And you don't have to worry about trying to keep {{DYKsug}} and {{DYKsuggestion}} straight, since now it's all one thing. Thus, my hope is that this won't cause trouble for people nominating stuff, since it's so similar to the system that's already in place.

I hope this answers your questions, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 13:04, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


I'm not seeing the inline citations message. Which browser are you using? Shubinator (talk) 15:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

That's...interesting. I just tried with Internet Explorer and it does say there aren't any inline citations. I'll see if I can work around it. Shubinator (talk) 18:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Not sure. I'll put it in my list of browsers to test. Shubinator (talk) 18:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The bug's been fixed. Thanks! Shubinator (talk) 23:55, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Huh, that's odd. Does prosesize show up in the toolbox? If prosesize shows up and DYKcheck doesn't it's probably because of the sidebar code. Disabling the fixed sidebar using the options should work. Clicking "DYK check" in the toolbar will go to the next nomination. You can also jump to a particular section if your URL shows a hash...easiest way is to click on one of the subsection in the Table of Contents of TTDYK. Then click on the tool, and it'll start with the first nom in the section. Shubinator (talk) 00:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, if the link isn't showing up at all I'm not sure if changing the options will do anything. I found a website that explains some nuances of Google Chrome. There are quite a few for both JavaScript and CSS. For now I won't worry about making the tool Chrome-compatible, but when I get some free time I'll see. Shubinator (talk) 00:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Your browser may not have gotten the update. Try bypassing your cache for pages you've visited before. Shubinator (talk) 16:11, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK needs updating[edit]

The DYK need updating. It is three hours overdue. Chris (talk) 00:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Well-Welcomed Iswearius[edit]

Hi MacGyverMagic! Thanks (late: sorry, quite rude of me) for the welcome and initial guidance. Looking forward to collaborating.--Iswearius (talk) 05:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/L'Absent[edit]

Hi MacGyverMagic! The article I created, L'Absent, has been improved and expanded since it was nominated for deletion. I would be truly obliged were you to take the time to view it and give me your opinion.--Iswearius (talk) 22:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your time and guidance!--Iswearius (talk) 00:25, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F. Cobb[edit]

Yo MGM, I overlooked your suggestions and made the necessary changes. Let me know if there is anything left to do. Thanks for your help! Sammyknoxg (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi MacGyverMagic! Thanks for your concern and precious counsel! I'll focus on this article, to the best of my capacity, breaking the process in, so as not to encumber wikipedia with half-rendered articles as I further attempt to contribute. Accordingly I have recently put in a suggestion for adding Sound credit parameters to the Infobox film template (I feel need to do so is self-evident). I would be honored if you could give your opinion on the matter and check if I put the suggestion through the right way. Please view Template talk:Infobox Film. --Iswearius (talk) 15:57, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Hatnotes at top[edit]

Regarding [3], see Wikipedia:Hatnote#Placement. That practice makes sense to me because readers loking for another article don't care about tags for the article they accidentally reached, and may stop reading if they don't get the needed information immediately. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Lead section#Elements of the lead, Wikipedia:Accessibility#Lead section, Wikipedia talk:Hatnote#Placement. This appears well established in guidelines. Do you know conflicting guidelines? (other than saying maintenance tags are at the top of the article without mentioning relationship to other things at the top like hatnotes) I tried some random articles at Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Redirect and many went against the guideline. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I like the current guideline but will probably not get involved if it's proposed to change it. If there is a guideline saying one of them should be put at the top then I don't see how it's less instruction creep to say that it should be templates and not disambiguation notes. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F. Cobb[edit]

MGM, I sorted out the typos and organized the elements on the image. Also, what do you mean by image for the starting port? A separate image or new symbolism on the map? I added the anchor symbol thinking that's what you were talking about. With the last GA review you did, the use of despite was used in a contradictory setting... a wrecking company typically reaps good fortunes when they turn a blind eye to distressed vessels with no monetary backing. Maybe your average reader wouldn't pick up on that; either way I added the quote to substantiate the usage. I was somewhat lost for words looking for something to replace adjacent, I'm not sure contiguous really sums it up either but I'll keep thinking. Thanks for your help!Sammyknoxg (talk) 07:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I attributed ref 3 to the correct spot and used the letter ref for the part about the cook and mate going overboard at sea since it is not mentioned in the operations report.Sammyknoxg (talk) 19:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)



Thanks for closing the DRV discussion. For GFDL purposes, could you undelete the earlier revisions of this article? Thanks, Cunard (talk) 06:14, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Nathan F. Cobb[edit]

Yes you are right, it doesn't mention the Cobb, but the letter from J.D. Price to John Anderson (co-owner of the hotel) which is ref 3 does not explicitly express that they are owners of the hotel. They only mentioned that a wreck occurred outside the hotel. So should I ref both sources after that sentence? It takes a little bit from both sources. Sammyknoxg (talk) 18:23, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Just found a more clear source regarding the Ormond Hotel (Some sources refer to it as Ormond Hotel other ones Hotel Ormond, not sure which is accurate). Price and Anderson were builders of it in 1888 and sold it to Henry Flagler in 1891, but Flagler kept Price on as the manager. So I just added that to the first paragraph of rescue attempts and properly referenced it. Sammyknoxg (talk) 19:28, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I think it is good to go.Sammyknoxg (talk) 21:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I want to thank you for your help in making this article much improved through your suggestions and thorough reviews. It has been a little side project of mine for some time now, off and on. With yours and Wpwatchdog's help, it really turned into a nice article; especially since the sources are limited and those that are available, are either worded archaically or don't provide accurate and informative details. Again I appreciate your help! Take care...Sammyknoxg (talk) 07:36, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: White Dog[edit]

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Would it be okay to set up a new article feed so I can establish if there are enough editors to support a WikiProject and make it easier to approach them about it? It would temporarily need to report to a user subpage until the project had enough support to be founded. (Please respond to my talk page or leave a talkback notice; I seem to be unable to spell your name right, so it makes finding this back harder) - Mgm|(talk) 11:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

    • Can you elaborate your idea, please. Do you just want to setup a bot feed for a project that does not exist yet? - Sure you can. Do you want to do something more ambitious? Do you realize that many authors of new articles related to the project are not interested in the project itself and many people interested in the project do not write new articles? Alex Bakharev (talk) 12:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I want to use the feed primarily to keep an eye on articles that belong to a project that does not yet exists, but I also want to use it to contact the people who create the articles in that category and make them aware of my project plans so I can see whether they'd be interested in joining. They may not be, but if they don't know about my plans in the first place it would be impossible to determine. Since I consider people creating good articles in a field the most likely to join a project, I figured I'd hit two birds with one stone. - Mgm|(talk) 12:16, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • P.S. Do you have a preferred location for the reports page and how do you fill out {{Subst:User:AlexNewArtBot/NewFeed|FeedName|Portal Name}} for a feed that doesn't yet have a related project or portal? - Mgm|(talk) 12:19, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Any name for the feed could be fine; just give it a something meaningful name that you can spell without problems. Just leave the project name blank or give it a planned name (it would put a redlink in the later case) Alex Bakharev (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Also, I can't figure out what something like $$album-stub$$ does in the rules. Does it automatically qualify the article? - Mgm|(talk) 23:21, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Yes, the bot has an ability to automatically classify stubs as well as putting a few tags and removing signatures from new articles. Those features are currently switched off as the bot was approved on the condition that it does not modify the mainspace articles. I do not have any short or intermediate-long plans to apply for permissions to get the permissions to modify mainspace articles. Alex Bakharev (talk) 03:10, 26 February 2009 (UTC)


Clarified. is the United World Chart.—Kww(talk) 12:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)


You're reviewing it right? I'm the nom/expand guy. If you see any issues, post on my page and I'll jump right to it. Since I only spent two days on it in contrast to my other nom, Ferdinandea, I'm a bit more apprehensive about that I might have jumped the gun. Cheers, ResMar 00:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dustin Harding[edit]

I responded to your concern on the AfD page. I really wasn't basing my opinion entirely on that one role, I was just using it as an example. However, I did take a closer look at the later roles. --L. Pistachio (talk) 17:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Bell curve grading[edit]

Hi MGM, the Bell curve article is an almost complete copy of this. What to do? I don't have the time, the energy, or the know-how to rewrite the thing, but I don't think this can stand. Thanks for your time, Drmies (talk) 20:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Dankjewel! Drmies (talk) 22:06, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Is our article a copy of theirs or is theirs a copy of ours? Fahrfenflgens. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Robbie Kay[edit]

Updated DYK query On February 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robbie Kay, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Dravecky (talk) 08:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


Hello, per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 February 18, you now have two new subpages. Best regards, --Tikiwont (talk) 10:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of OrigenAE page[edit]

Hi there, i was just wondering why you deleted the OrigenAE page that i spent so much time working on and trying to make as factually accurate as possible. I see that there are other chassis manufactures listed such as silverstone, coolermaster, nzxt etc .... and whilst OrigenAE is listed alongside the others on the computer case page, there is not information about them. Considering they make what is widely considered the most premium and as far as i can tell most expensive and elaborate chassis on the market today it seemed appropriate that they should have a few paragraphs on wiki. As this was my first post i may have unintentionally done something wrong which required the deletion, but i would appreciate if you could tell me what that was so i could amend the article and submit it again.

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjokkijjokki (talkcontribs) 02:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

GA review[edit]

Just checking in - you had signed up as reviewer for the article on the poem "Al Aaraaf" a few days ago. I haven't heard from you since. I'd love you know what you think! --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Asinara Should Have Been Put On Hold[edit]

Oh well, I still got something out of it. I totally rushed it I guess, but you should have put it on hold; I've standardized units, verafiablity (especially with the Island being named off of a donkey) has been fixed, and I have found enough information to grind Ecology into its own section. Still working on coverage, but the gaping spelling mistakes are fixed. I'm currently engaged in hunting down resuorces on the prison and architecture, like you said, but they seem a bit sparse. ResMar 17:25, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

You said the issues would take a lot of time; I have a lot of time. It's a rare snow day in New York City. ResMar 17:28, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the image- I'll add that the structure is post from the old prisoncomplex in the image description, but it will have to wait because the image cannot at this time be edited- it is currently live on the main page as the lead DYK hook. ResMar 18:03, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cartoons, Lampoons, and Buffoons (radio show)[edit]

don't know if you watchlist, so just pinging that I answered you here StarM 02:15, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Deleting Nicholas Chan Page[edit]

Hi, the article is basically written to promote himself. He is not a famous businessman in Singapore and has no notable achievements. I have added the page for deletion at Please contact me if you have any questions. Thank you!

Re: White House (plantation)[edit]

Hey MacGuyverMagic, thank you for your message! I swear, it's actually on my to-do list--I've been adding inline citations to a lot of plantation articles in Virginia and West Virginia but I'm moving quite slow this week. These articles that other editors have written are written quite well and there are definitely gems in these that merit DYK so the final piece is the addition of the internal citations. In this case, the White House plantation paragraphs were originally written in the article for White House, Virginia so it's still a work in progress. I thought the plantation had so much notoriety of its own that it merited its own article. Check back on this article in a few days. Again, thanks for the message and I appreciate all you do for Wikipedia. --Caponer (talk) 12:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Jonathan Krohn[edit]

Thanks for your feedback. I added a citation tag for a source that indicated the speech was two-minutes long. As for the acclaim thing in the hook, for the moment I'm going to leave it as it is; I fear that adding specific publications would make it a bit too long and, to be honest, I don't think it's necessary. But on the other hand, if you had a specific suggestion for the wording or a new hook altogether, I'd certainly be open to it. I did try to include a bit of the acting info, but my mention of his Mary Poppins audition was removed. I added it back, but opened a discussion about it on the talk page.

And feel free to keep adding to the article, of course! That's the beauty of Wikipedia! :) --Hunter Kahn (talk) 15:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Mauro Laurenzi[edit]

Done! I was being terse because I was just a little miffed by the sysop that declined the speedy... but I recognize the need to justify the deletion. §FreeRangeFrog 16:16, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Done, an A7 wouldn't have been justified because it wasnt the right criteria. Suggest you make future deletion requests clearer - with full hoax info. Someone clearing out A7 is likely to see the claim and decline. StarM 01:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Cartoons, Lampoons, and Buffoons (radio show)[edit]

Began some expansion and sourcing. Added and sourced episode list and summary for each. Found 2 English notables. Still digging. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Years (Album)[edit]

You're absolutely right, thank you for this. I somehow managed to miss the fact that the album hadn't even been released. The fact that Esradekan Gibb mentioned WP:CRSYTAL just before me should have been a big blinking red light. §FreeRangeFrog 16:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion review for YouTube cat abuse incident[edit]

An editor has asked for a deletion review of YouTube cat abuse incident. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. WikiScrubber (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

thanks pal[edit]

i'll take that on board, thanks :)AntiFetch (talk) 09:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)


Hi there! If you think "Three Fingers" should be kept, what do you think of the last version of "We Are One" then? --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 10:06, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

ps: Binge and Grab is deleted but you might take a look at it, too. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 10:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Culture of Buffalo, New York[edit]

Hi, Mgm. I appreciate your attention to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Culture of Buffalo, New York, but I have a concern. The text of the article is still available in the history, but that text remains unattributed. That's the reason I wanted the page deleted, and a new redirected created in its place -- to avoid any potential licensing concerns. Powers T 12:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh! I guess that'd work. Thanks! =) Powers T 13:50, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nowhere Boy[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Nowhere Boy at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! ∗ \ / () 13:56, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

  • After reviewing the assessment scale, I've tagged the article as start class. - Mgm|(talk) 08:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)



Thanks for your message on my talk page. I have added a reference to the BRIT award, although it was referenced in the main body, under the album section (see WP:LEADCITE). I'm fairly confident that the band would still achieve notability without winning a BRIT award, but I've cited it all the same.

Best wishes,

MDCollins (talk) 22:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

User:AfDStatBot Approved![edit]

So my AfD bot finally got approved for subpage use. It is currently updating to User:AfDStatBot/AfDStats/MacGyverMagic for you, although I plan to change it to update a user subpage soon. What name would you suggest - I was thinking User:MacGyverMagic/AfDStats. Also, how does the information on that page work for you? Anything that you need or don't need? Also, the last section (personal statistics) isn't complete. Stu (aeiou)I'm Researching Wikipedia 18:58, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

How do I become a project member?[edit]

I entered the Project Magic section and would like to join it. It said to become a project member, but they never said how.

I have currently edited Alexander Herrmann and Harry Kellar and provided material for Compars Herrmann. I would love to add more.

User:Mtpascoe (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2009 (PST)


Hi MGM, I have some bad news for me: my mom is visiting, and she tells me that I in fact did go to the Efteling, maybe thirty years ago, with the buurtvereniging. I'm a sell-out after all... Drmies (talk) 14:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Casper Reel[edit]

I have changed the line of the DYK to something that can be found on the website. I also fixed part of the problem of coverage, but I can fix the rest but I can't do it now. I can get a photo in but that will take a while. I will have a hard time with cite book. Most of that books are over 100 years old but I can try to get as much as possibe from them.Im am not really sure how to put an infobox in, but I can learn how. In all, i think you are right, this artical is not ready to be promoted. All I ask now is if i should delete the Promostion tags from the talk page and DYK. Thankyou for the help and your review.Purplebananasandelephants (talk) 19:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Los Super Reyes[edit]

Hi Mac, I did note that, but I thought it would be nice if he included that, first of all; second, I don't rightly know how to do that since I never deal with artists that chart... So--you're saying one album that charts is enough, no matter how high? Oh, I see that now. Look, I'm not opposed to the band or anything like that, and you saw, I'm sure, that I pointed out the album was released on a notable label. I'll follow up on your comment. (When I get out of class...) Drmies (talk) 15:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I did in fact add it to the articles (the band's and the album's) in a terrible short-hand method, without using templates. Changing my vote as we speak. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


I discounted (as I always do) most variations on "Keep, notable" or "Delete, not notable". Similarly variations on "Keep, discussed in reliable sources" are usually fine, but in this case there were clearly votes where people hadn't read the sources. Just because something is mentioned in the New York Post doesn't mean it's notable - in this case, the Post article ([4]) mentions the incident in passing in a "funny" article about cats and dogs on the Internet. Similarly, using "it's been kept before at AfD" isn't a convincing argument either. One of the Keep votes suggested merging it to Internet vigilantism (which is exactly what I did). Similarly, there were Delete votes that weren't useful either ("Delete - It's something you'd find under "Weird News".") In the end, the main issues were WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:SBST, and the fact that practically every source only mentioned the event in passing as part of a separate issue (in most cases, Internet vigilantism or Internet memes). The fact that practically all the content already existed at Internet vigilantism was the clincher - if it hadn't, I'd have gone Delete, but since it did, I redirected. Black Kite 09:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I see your point on renominations, but I think the point I'm making is that we can't use the arguments made on previous AfDs in the current one (I don't disagree that there should probably be a time limit set between AfDs, though). As far as the sources go;
    • The Washington Post is the best source, though even then the first sentence is "If you no longer marvel at the Internet's power to connect and transform the world..."
    • This one is about ethical standards on the Internet, and mentions the event as an example.
    • This is a blog and thus not a reliable source anyway, but is mainly concerned with Internet privacy.
    • The New York Times one I've dealt with above.
    • This one is again a blog, but is again using the event as an example of social norm enforcement on the Net.
    • And this one is again about Internet privacy and "problems" with Korea's online community.
    • I can't comment on the Korean language source.
    • The five Google Books references brought up in the DRV are all using the event as a passing example of their subjects; This is about issues with Internet freedom, this is about publiuc shaming on the Net, this and this are on Internet memes, and this is about privacy protection.
  • (Phew) So as you can see, apart from possibly the Post article (and that even talks about the subject in a wider context), there's nothing that discusses the event in itself. Black Kite 09:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Yes, I agree that blogs can sometimes be reliable; but the ones in this case were again discussing the issue in passing. Black Kite 09:55, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
      • Again, yes, but the point I am driving at is that practically every source mentions the event in the context of something else - usually Internet vigilantism - which is why I believed the material sat better there. Apart from a couple of contemporary reports (WP:SBST) it appears to have no lasting independent notability. Black Kite 10:07, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Michelito Lagravere[edit]

Updated DYK query On 11 March, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Michelito Lagravere, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers Victuallers (talk) 09:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Amaranth Games[edit]

Understood but can I actually do that in practice without consensus? I mean this we're not simply reducing the content of the article, it's renaming and changing its scope from a corp to a list of games. I'm obviously still pretty new but this kind of complete change of focus looks... dunno, weird enough not to do it just like that. MLauba (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Posted a Q at the Village Pump for advice on how best to proceed. The technical aspect of doing it properly is just way over my head here. MLauba (talk) 11:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Nowhere Boy[edit]

Updated DYK query On March 11, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nowhere Boy, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 15:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Yvonne Bradley DRV[edit]

I think you've misunderstood the logs; I deleted the article, and established a redirect. GeoSwan and others came and said they wanted the history to improve the article. I deleted the redirect quickly, restored the other revisions, and userfied them. I then restored the one remaining deleted edit, which was the redirect I established after the AfD. Now, I could have just moved the entire article, rollbacked my addition of the redirect at GeoSwan's subpage, and then set up a new one, but this combination of buttons wasn't the first that came to mind. The redirect was out of the history for less than a minute. Hope that makes the logs for that page a little clearer Fritzpoll (talk) 09:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


i'm never sure whether to respond on my own talk page, or the other person's

i wish somebody would make a widget for wiki, something like like facebook wall-to-wall, or at least standardize the expected procedure hre (lol)

i'll write the stub up, hopefully tonight. will try contacting the software designers, & will make a list of the refs. i hate doing the footnote thing tho, so ty!  :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lx 121 (talkcontribs) 01:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

finally got the article up. first draft, but a bit better than just a stub. Lx 121 (talk) 00:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

List of lakes in Michigan[edit]

We were just trying to get the info included in the category over into the list itself. It makes since to either rename the list, remove the reservoirs/ponds, or put them in a separate table (perhaps with a rename for this option as well). Either way, these decisions can be made outside of the AfD. Maybe I'll see what you and Linguist at Large think and do one of these things later tonight after I finish work? Does that sound good? SMSpivey (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

TB re Flashdance[edit]

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amey Pandya[edit]

I saw your response to my comment in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Amey Pandya, "The references in the actor's website are not valid URL's..." Just so you know I was not pointing out the oblivious concerning validity of references in the individual's site, but rather that the actual URLs did not point to a valid page with a reference to the individual. At any rate, I was not assuming you were unaware of Wikipedia guidelines, only that the actual URLs were bad. I hope this makes sense and that if I offended you, that was not my intent. ttonyb1 (talk) 21:00, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Are we looking at the same subpage of his website? All the URLs I tried worked just fine. - Mgm|(talk) 22:16, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
They do work, but do not point to text about the individual. ttonyb1 (talk) 22:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Not in all cases, but such links are in the list. - Mgm|(talk) 23:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

List of top Tamil-language films[edit]

This article is still tagged for deletion, though the discussion was closed several days ago. Can you have a look please? PC78 (talk) 00:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billa 2[edit]

Myself, I also opined a delete, but only after including the "rumour" and sources in the Billa (2007 film) article, so it is where folks might expect it to be. However, when further researching the Billa 2 film, I found the Billa (2009 film) already in existance... a little more complete than the Billa 2 article. How shall we handle it? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.

  • I suggest a merge and redirect to the 2007 film for now. It's a reasonable title for people who know naming conventions and since it's a little more complete, merging stuff is worth it until there's enough material to build a separate article with. - Mgm|(talk) 11:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Since it so minimal, I copied the rumour over from Billa 2 with its sources. A redirect of both would make great sense. I'll propose a merge on the talk page of Billa (2009 film). Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:21, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • In other news, am I wrong here HERE? My thought is that under the article's incorrect name, there was not much to find, and so could understand the nomination... but in understanding the occaional translation problems, and doing a modified search under a correct name, the floodgates opened. Even were it not to begin filming in 3 weeks, it exceeds the GNG and NFF. I wrong in my anaylsis? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:07, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't think you're wrong. With the claim "costliest Malayalam film ever made" the production itself is clearly already notable itself even before filming. - Mgm|(talk) 23:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Thankd for validating my thoughts. Crstal can still be argued because principal filming is still three weeks away... but I felt it definitely hit the GNG for NFF. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sadbodhini boys high school[edit]

Please revisit Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sadbodhini boys high school and link to the directory that proves this school's existence. I want to see if there is anything I can use to merge the school's information into its geographical location, Chitgoppa. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 23:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this copyvio[edit]

here. It hadn't come up in a Google search but it turns out nearly all of the articles are copyvios so I'm working on getting rid of them now. StarM 14:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:REWARD question[edit]


Hi MGM. Do you have a specfic article that you want fully referenced, or one picked at random, as I have started on Alci Acosta


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Howard Choi[edit]

Explain on that page.yousaf465'

DRV of Nicholas Chan article[edit] Thank you for commenting on the abovementioned article which I have put up for DRV. Sources have been updated for the DRV. Appreciate your review, thank you. Ncknight (talk) 06:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Math formulas[edit]

Hi, good question!

When we take two countries out of 203 and make a "foreign relationship" article between them we make what is called a combination. The formula used to count the number of combinations is the "choose function", in this case, this works out to . Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:03, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Your question[edit]

Thank you for your question at my talk page.

WP:ATHLETE states:

  • People who have competed at the fully professional level of a sport, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis.[9]
  • People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships.

From my interpretation of WP:ATHLETE only those players selected to play for the World Cup / other international championships are considered notable, regardless of which country they are playing from. So if the footballer in question was a part of his national team, I would consider him notable.

This is just my interpretation, and it might very well be incorrect. You may confirm at the help desk or the talk page of WP:NOTE. These policies tend to be ambiguous; something I intend to correct when I have more time.

Best to you. Antivenin 12:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The second point seems a follow up to the first. Else, those two points directly contradict each other. The first one says if the tournament is the highest in the country, it's notable. The second says the tournament has to be the highest amateur level of a sport. The Macedonian First League falls under the first, but fails the second. Higher leagues, the FIFA World Cup for example, fall under both the first and second. So I tend to gravitate more towards the interpretation I stated above. (I LOL at my word choice, btw. "Gravitate" =P ) Antivenin 13:13, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
It seems the article has been deleted, despite your valid concern, and withdrawal of my arguments. I do not know what to make of it. Was my POV correct? I don't know. I thought it wasn't, but apparently it's enough to pass the AfD. You may want to look into this. Antivenin 16:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Kam Ruble[edit]

You're a little late. ;) Those comments were made last October, the whole thing seems to have been resolved amicably, and User:ShadowsMysteryQueen hasn't had any activity since. — Gwalla | Talk 16:39, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


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Please help with Levi9 company page[edit]

Thank you for the opportunity to write to you directly. Recently I tried to submit Levi9 company page, but it was deleted "(Deletion log); 11:16 . . MacGyverMagic (talk | contribs) deleted "Levi9" (G11: Blatant advertising)".

I will be very very glad if you can help me a bit to figure out the right structure of the article. I tried to follow the guidelines of Wikipedia as for companies pages, but I understand that I did something wrong as Wikipedia take it as advetising, but I really wish to create a good article about our company, as it's worth to pay attention, as we have a Prince of the Netherlands as CEO and former board member of the Dutch electronics giant Philips as adviser. Maybe I should start to change their pages first?

Please, I very appreciate your help. I’ve already have several contributions to Wikipedia in software testing areas, to Functional Testing and Bottom-UP testing.

With best wishes from Kiev

Sergey Lesnikov —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeyl1984 (talkcontribs) 09:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Levi9 page[edit]

Thank you very much, I'll do as you told and will send you a note to check it.

Sergey —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeyl1984 (talkcontribs) 10:48, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Speedy closure of "Criticism of..." articles[edit]

Hi Mgm. I agree totally with your speedy closure of the "criticism of" article at AfD.—I'm concerned, though, that many other articles at today's AfD were speedy closed on the same basis as a non-admin closure. I feel that this was a potentially controversial decision, and a non-admin closure was therefore not procedurally correct.—How would you feel about re-opening and then re-closing those AfDs as a proper admin closure?—S Marshall Talk/Cont 19:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I see Stifle's already on it. :)—S Marshall Talk/Cont 19:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip Hop culture and Islam[edit]

Why did you move the subject of this AfD 16 minutes after I closed as keep? Fritzpoll (talk) 22:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • And how did you manage to delete it without leaving a trace in the deletion log? DHowell (talk) 03:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
    • appears to show here. StarM 03:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
      • It shows a move, which usually results in a redirect, which can then be deleted. Is there a "move and delete" option available to administrators that I wasn't aware of? If so, the software should be changed so such moves are shown in the deletion log. DHowell (talk) 03:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
        • I don't know how it looks to you, but in my move log, the line has "redirect supressed" at the end, which is definitely a tool we have. Fritzpoll (talk) 08:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
          • Ditto, didn't realise that only showed to admins. I think there's nothing wrong with showing the log to non-admins so they know what happened/where it went. Mgm, thanks for the note, that's what I thought happened. StarM 12:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
            • Ok, yes. But can you tell me why you userfied it? There was an AfD. Consensus was to keep, and I'm a little confused. Happy to receive e-mail if there's some major issue. Fritzpoll (talk) 12:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
              • Replied at my talkpage - you've not really answered my question. Fritzpoll (talk) 12:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
                • I see the "[redirect suppressed]" now, I don't know if I just missed it before or if the software has changed. But the really annoying thing is that nothing shows up when you click the red link (Hip Hop culture and Islam), not even a link to the logs. It looked as if the article never existed, which was very confusing when I saw the redlink from an AfD closed as "keep". DHowell (talk) 04:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Levi9 page[edit]

Dear Mgm,

First of all, thank you for your help, I appreciate it very much. I was particularly impressed by your homepage, it's awesome! I'm very glad to learn that you are from the Netherlands, what city do you live?

Please check the new version of article here User:Sergeyl1984/Levi9 and I appreciate your feedback. I also be glad if you can tell me as to how I can invite other established users to comment that page (I couldn't find it in help yet)

With best regards Sergey Lesnikov —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sergeyl1984 (talkcontribs) 08:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

National Geographic and Gun Owners of America[edit]

I guess there is an edit war over adding a Gun Owners of America(GOA) criticism section in the National Geographic Channel article.The criticism is about the airing of "Guns in America" which is part of "National Geographic Explorer" series( According to GOA in its statement(, it feels the episode was biased and sided with the Brady Campaign.This incident was received mainly (in my Opinion) by pro-gun rights blogs and website, and there is no Reuters or AP article, however there is an Opposing Views page:( One wikipedia editor cite that the criticism is an "irrelevant complaint that has no means to stick out above anything else. issue with production company, not channel" and another one thinks "insignifigant in terms of the channel as a whole". Do you think the criticism deserves to stay there or should it be shifted to the National Geographic Explorer article or should it not stay at all. here is the edit: ( (talk) 14:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Perms for abusefilter[edit]

Loose consensus seems to be leaning against giving this right out, but if we do start it would probably be centralized at WP:RFPERM. Until consensus is worked out I removed the permission bit from the nav bar. (To avoid putting the cart before the horse) –xeno (talk) 19:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Abuse Filter 61[edit]

It seems that either I've been getting the short end of the stick on edit conflicts, or you intentionally reverted my changes - if it was the later, if you would please let me know, so I will stop trying to change things. Thanks, – ABCD 13:39, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

See the comments I left in the notes on that filter, after getting into yet another edit conflict... – ABCD 13:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
What (!("" in removed_lines) | "" in added_lines) means is "If the string was not removed, then pass. If the string was added, then pass. Otherwise, fail." Therefore, the only way this condition would fail is if the URL was removed, but not added. The semantics of this version are exactly the same as what was originally in the filter, but I find it more readable without the double negative (from !("" in removed_lines & !("" in added_lines))). See DeMorgan's laws for why this is legal. – ABCD 14:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Eukaryotic[edit]

Sorry, I don't type out the Grawp blocks manually; I use User:Mr.Z-man/gwp.js. I'll see if I can get him to adjust it. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:03, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Happy MacGyverMagic/Archive/2009-2010's Day![edit]

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The image is not only lacking a verifiable source, the uploader has a history of mis-claiming images as "self" when they clearly are not. Skier Dude (talk) 18:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Check out the deleted contributions: File:Mig23 On Display.jpg was actually the upload of User:Parmar uday from 2007, clearly not the uploader's "self" claim; and File:Amrita Thapar.jpg, which was clearly a publicity photo which was claimed as "self". In addition, see the discussion where he admits that he is not actually the photographer (as claimed on the image pages) but was "given" the photos for some of them, and also leads me to believe by his comments that the "Press Information Bureat" may be the actual (c) holder of the others. All of these inconsistencies lead me to ask the uploader to provide source of the files and/or proof of (c) holding. Skier Dude (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Try User talk:Skier Dude/archive/archive Mar 09 - "hello" discussion - or link from my talk page / archive March 2009. Skier Dude (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Bicycle path articles[edit]

MGM, just wanted a second opinion on these articles. There are a fair few "bicycle path" articles such as, for example, Sepulveda Dam bicycle path. Many of them are nothing more than a how-to travel guides ("There is abundant parking available from the Burbank side, as well as street parking along Woodley and Balboa. Access is continuous.") and opinionated stubs ("The Western Balboa section is frequented by soccer players and observers, which can make cycling tedious."), with no statement of notability. These article IMO fall into the WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:NOTMANUAL areas. Would like a second opinion on whether it would be worth nominating under wikipedia guidelines. JamesBurns (talk) 04:52, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

You have been reverted[edit]


Here you were reverted and also here, this person insists that unless we have official sources, we cannot cite anything about the Aga Khan's divorce. Now this person is throwing threats at me, saying they are going to alert me to administrators (which would be in my favor) and the Aga Khan's secretariat. Can you help me out, please? --pashtun ismailiyya 22:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)



[5] Dragons flight (talk) 02:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


Are you a fan of MacGyver?
I am.
--Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:25, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

  • How did you notice? - Mgm|(talk) 12:36, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
Thought anybody with MacGyver in their username would be crazy about the show... --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I see. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

So am I now blocked till the end of time?[edit]

Just wondering?

What happens now?

This message is from the same ip address as blocked user user:hamiltons wrath —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


Dear Mgm, I would appreciate if you can check again the modified page of Levi9 User:Sergeyl1984/Levi9, I tried to follow your advices as well as other established users User:Chzz.

  • Mgm, nice to see you again, Yes, seems like they've got Press Releases from the CIO the magazine, but one problem, most of them are in Dutch, can we put it as references?

As for user:Drmies his comment related to another article "Nearhoring" as I'm contributing there also. Sergey (Sergeyl1984 (talk) 08:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for the response. Here is the links in Dutch, I appreciate your opinion if they might be used as references :

  • Emerce Magazine Offshoring Interview with Bernhard van Oranje, CEO of Levi9,(2005-11-11)[6]
  • Computable Award CEO (2007-07-06)[7]
  • Computable Outsourcing Panel (2008-11-21) [8]
  • CIO of the Year 2008, Bernhard van Oranje in jury of the CIO of the Year Award (2008-10-7) [9]
  • Computable Outsourcing Experts (2008-12-19) [10]

(Sergeyl1984 (talk) 10:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC))

References to the company[edit]

Ok, thanks for checking them. How about references from Progress, Compuware and DoubleDutch Events,

  • Levi9 Global Sourcing runs a Progress Center of Excellence (CoE) in Romania endorsed by Progress Software[11]
  • Levi9 Global Sourcing and Compuware have opened a Compuware Center of Excellence in Serbia [12]
  • .NET
  • The Double Dutch Events [13]
  • CIO Portal [14]

Maybe all those articles will be enough for notability?


(Sergeyl1984 (talk) 12:14, 25 March 2009 (UTC))


I've replied to your comment on my talk page -- penubag  (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hello, thank you for explaining these options re: Cara Black (author) on my talk page.LovesMacs (talk) 13:48, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Marigold Churchill[edit]

I don't mind if it's merged, it has previously been redirected to her father's article. I just don't believe that it should be a stand-alone article. GiantSnowman 11:49, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


I like sports, travel, video games, etc? just anything would help. --KingLeian (talk) 15:33, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Filter 96[edit]

Ah. Hi. I use {{subst:PAGENAME}}> as does AlbertHerring when creating articles on MASSE to quicken the speed. Might want to rework Filter 96 so it ignores subst:PAGENAME or PAGENAME. Regards Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that's it; it doesn't recognize the template we both use. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 21:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Abuse filter[edit]

Hi, please reply here. It appears that while I've been waiting for a while, editors who complained after me got their responses. Thanks in advance. (talk) 10:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll await their response. (talk) 12:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Future Centre Trust[edit]

My experience with Kittybrewster is that she doesn't believe in the relevance of WP:N. Bongomatic 09:10, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

  • That edit diff shows no evidence of that and actually confirms something I believe in. RS and V is not the same as notability even though some treat it as such. One can lead to or imply the other, but they're different beasts. So on that point I totally agree with Kitty. - Mgm|(talk) 09:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
If you look at what she's replied to (not solely the words of her reply), you can see that she disclaims the GNG. Bongomatic 10:02, 31 March 2009 (UTC) I'll watch here, no need for {{tb}}.
  • Stupid diff. The original message always shows up, except when you need it. :x - Mgm|(talk) 10:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
My mistake. Should have shown the diff of my comment plus her reply. Sorry for not being clear. Bongomatic 13:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Addition to DRV process[edit]

Hi, you've been active as an administrator in the DRV process in the past so I would appreciate your comments on my suggested change to DRV requirements. Thanks! Usrnme h8er (talk · contribs) 17:37, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Re filter 61[edit]

As the diff shows, I removed an 's' from the end of 'users' in the description section. Nothing more. KnightLago (talk) 18:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. KnightLago (talk) 18:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


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last quarter[edit]

(No, I'm not talking about a football game ;-) I'm responding to this edit
It may not have occurred to you that there are perverse people around who, occassionally, like to experiment.
As it happens, in addition to the fact that he's a nice guy to have a conversation with, the topic interests me, and I'm enjoying the conversation, one of the lower priority reasons I am continuing the conversation well past its logical conclusion is to see how far across the page the conversation will get.
(Yes, you guessed it, I'm too old to chase women without being called a "dirty old man", so I have to find something to do that's acceptable to society and doesn't land me in hot water. And yes, it is a bit sad.)
I've tried giving the matter some thought, but I'm afraid I can't think of a reason why you would want to develop such a filter.
So now I'm intrigued.
If it's not too much of an inconvenience for you, would you mind pulling me out of my puzzled state by explaining the reason?
I eagerly await your response! (But, of course, there is no urgency.) Cheers and thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:36, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
(P.S. Despite the UTC time, it is well past midday in Australia - this is NOT a first-of-April-wind-up.)

When I said beginning, I was referring to the left side of the page. The repeated use of the ":" was so large that it tripped my filter. It wouldn't in most conversations because people regularly outdent. - Mgm|(talk) 11:39, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Wow! Thanks for such a prompt reponse!!
I feel really stupid about this, but I'm afraid there are bits of your reply I don't understand. Also, I asked a number of questions that you haven't addressed. Starting with the easy stuff: (In management-speak that's called "picking the low-hanging-fruit")
"The repeated use of the ":" was so large that it tripped my filter." - Yes, that was quite clear.
"It wouldn't in most conversations because people regularly outdent." - Agreed.
"When I said beginning, I was referring to the left side of the page." - Either: Yes, that was implicit. Or: Huh?
Meanwhile: "I've tried giving the matter some thought, but I'm afraid I can't think of a reason why you would want to develop such a filter." - and - "If it's not too much of an inconvenience for you, would you mind ... explaining the reason"/need/uses for such a filter? Pdfpdf (talk) 11:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
BTW: I'm one of those people who likes seeing both sides of the conversation on the same page, so not only don't I mind if you reply here, I prefer it. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:57, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Some vandals like to replace part of articles with random words they've copied a couple dozen times or in some cases even hundreds of times. Yesterday, someone entered the phrase "w00t for the filter" or something similar repeatedly in an article and despite the fact it was very disruptive no filter was triggered. When they did the right thing and removed it the "removing large amounts of material from an article filter" kicked in. By building a filter that catches insertion of repeated phrases I was hoping to avoid this happening again. - Mgm|(talk) 19:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah ha! So your filter is not looking for repeated colons per se - it is looking at repeated combinations of strings of characters. Yes, that would be a useful vandalism identification tool. (Good idea.) Thanks for the reply. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 21:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username[edit]

Thank you MGM. What I'd like to do, is publish the article I created under the heading Global One (currently taken, referring to an old telecoms project). How would I achieve this? Do I need to categorize my article? Thank you very much for your patience, I'm keen to respect Wikipedia and adhere to its traditions, it's helped me out so many times in the past!Wolrab (talk) 11:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC)


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Future Centre Trust[edit]

Mmm is this still really criteria for deletion? It just needed expanding and referencing (as do most other articles) Dr. Blofeld White cat 17:28, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Article referencing[edit]

Hey I noticed a thread on DGG's page. I came up with some templates as an edit notice for creating an article but it didn't go down well at the village pump. Also, the sodium chloride edit wasn't your "first" edit : D . But I guess it was your frist proper one. --DFS454 (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

You've seen these versions right? Most people agreed this was better wording. --DFS454 (talk) 10:50, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I think that those users were apathetic. We shouldn't forget that people are paid to spam places like wikipedia but also we shouldn't overlook the ignorant masses. People do mean well when creating an article but they don't know referencing is necessary or don't know how to add it. The new article text definately needs to be more eye catching to say the least. My french isn't great but even I know what the stuff in red means here. Well, I've had another attempt at the template, feel free to edit it or give me suggestions. --DFS454 (talk) 12:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Global One article has been deleted by another admin - please advise[edit]

Dear MGM,

I am sorry to inform you that another Admin has seen fit to delelte my article, which I was preparing on my User Page before publishing (according to Wikipedia guidelines).

The other Admin is accusing me of trying to promote a non-notable project.

I would very much appreciate your experienced opinion on the matter, since you may been the only other person to have seen/read the article in question.

I believe my article was strictly factual and backed up with objective sources published by a third party. And the fact that it has received coverage in the national press in two separate countries makes it notable.

But the other Admin for some reason will not restore the article.

A third-party eye would be great (I have placed the subject on the active disputes page, but you may be ideally placed to offer an objective angle here).

Many thanks... (talk) 12:34, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Sorry, I wasn't logged in when I signed - the correct talk page is here: Wolrab (talk) 12:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

...and I have posted my evidence to the other Admin under the second section 'Your edits to my article' on their talk page here: talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolrab (talkcontribs) 12:39, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

MGM - thank you for your discretion in removing the previous content, much appreciated!

My external, objective sources for information on the project are all listed here: There is one link to the Outside Organisation which proves that Global One is their client. Are those links enough for Wikipedia? Wolrab (talk) 16:13, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

  • The myspace blog should go. I'm not sure about "Outside". Proving Global One is their client doesn't really mean anything. But the information about the UK artist is helpful. Either way, it's adviseable to hold off on putting it live until after the CD has been released. - Mgm|(talk) 09:58, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, understood - I've replaced the MySpace link with a reference made on that artist's own blog, and will hold off until the project has launched on 18 May. Wolrab (talk) 16:38, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Think its ready?[edit]

Please take a look and advise: User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Bill Oberst Jr. Thank you., Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

  • Responded. - Mgm|(talk) 08:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Took care of it. Moved a few extras to the talk page and moved a few others around. Looks beter. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Goodchart key[edit]

Amazing that that hasn't come up before. Key added.—Kww(talk) 12:47, 6 April 2009 (UTC)


Hey there, thanks for your post on my talk page in regards to Evander Kane's article. I'm trying to write more articles about junior hockey players that meet notability requirements, so given that most of these players will be minors, your WikiProject is probably something I would be interested in. Let me know if you get it up and running. Thanks. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 22:00, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

AFD followup[edit]

Hi MGM, some months ago you summarized Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonio Juazerio as G10 speedy, but Juazerio crime family, co-nominated in the same AFD, is still there. Should it be relisted or speedied? NVO (talk) 01:25, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Ferris Beuller's Day Off in popular culture merge discussion[edit]

Informing everyone who participated in the AFD for Ferris Beuller's Day Off in popular culture that a merge discussion is now underway concerning the same material. Please share your comments here Dream Focus 04:11, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Reward board[edit]

Your request "Referencing" has expired. --MikemoralSock (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


Ahem! Uncle G (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Accidental non-free image[edit]

I'm very sorry but I do not think I did that. If you look at the link you sent me, [15], you will notice that those images were added by User:Cydebot. Each of those DYK hooks I have evaluated at different times. For example, the one for Herbert Kisza was entered at 19:49, the one for Guttorm Hansen at 20:13, the one for The London Eye Mystery at 20:29, the one for New Jersey County Colleges at 20:36 (and in that case someone entered below me (User:MBisanz) and I gave a follow up response at 00:48 and at that time the non-free images were not there. The next was at Oskar Gröning at 21:05, for List of papal tombs at 21:34, for Katsunori Nomura at 21:43, for United States Battleship Division Nine (World War I) at 21:54, for 2009 Pittsburgh police shooting at 22:05, for Munich Tramway at 22:31, for Duchers at 22.39. Over this time span of three hours , with me and others combing through the entries, these symbols would have been noticed if they had been there. As it was, during that time, no one noticed any wrong symbols. Everything was in order.

Further, if you go page to the previous edit [16], you will see that all the correct symbols were there before User:Cydebot made the one edit, and that Cydebot, in that one edit, removed pictures next to the entries and inserted that symbol. I did not do that.

Truly I am sorry that happened, but the evidences shows that I was not responsible. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 12:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Faryl Smith and Faryl[edit]

Hi, I just noticed that you've noted that you intend to review these articles for GAC. Just to let you know I do intend to work on them a bit further, hopefully getting all I want done tonight- I've just copied some of the album article across to the singer's (which will probably need some tweaking), and I intend to rewrite the lead for both, as well as putting a little context in the album article. J Milburn (talk) 23:24, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks- I'm sorry for doing this, I realise I shouldn't be making drastic changes at this stage. I just took another look at the articles today, and realised they needed a little more work. I should be all done in about an hour (it's gone half past midnight where I am- it's very comfortably "tonight"). J Milburn (talk) 23:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I've added all that I intended to, I think they just need a second pair of eyes now. Thanks very much for taking on the articles. J Milburn (talk) 00:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
That's brilliant- I'm busy tomorrow (work in the day, new series of BGT in the evening- I can't wait!) but I'll hopefully get working on Sunday. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


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Reward Board Request[edit]

Hi there, just informing you that your "Referencing" request at the Reward Board has expired. Would you like to extend the date or archive it? I'd be glad to reference a few articles.  :) -download | sign! 22:25, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

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Jordy van Loon[edit]

Hi Mgm! What an excellent article. Where do you find all these interesting minor celebrities? I'm disappointed that I was too slow to nom it for you at DYK. Great work again. I've been lurking your constant improvements to the Louis Barnett article via my watchlist. Damn it really looks ready to send for GA, why not submit it? I'm happy to give it a copy edit over the weekend and see if I can spot any holes if you like. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 07:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

List of highest grossing Tamil-language films[edit]


If you remember, you nominated the "List of top Bollywood films" article for deletion, and as a result of this AfD it was, but the admin forgot to delete List of highest grossing Tamil-language films, which is the same just for Tamil films, and was also mentioned at the AfD by you. Someone, at the time of the AfD, just moved its name from top Tamil film to this name probably to avoid its deletion, while it's structured in the same way (it was originally copied BTW). Actually it's worse than the article about the Bollywood films, because it's completely unsourced, and it contains much POV and OR.

I asked the admin who deleted the "List of top Bollywood films", but he was a bit uncomfortable to do that. I therefore ask you to delete this article as well. After this, editors will be given an opportunity to create a new article in this structure. ShahidTalk2me 17:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I don't quite understand that. You are the second editor who is directly involved with the deletion and does not want to delete an article that is entirely the same and is even worse in quality. I had spent a lot of time on the article you proposed for deletion and that was eventually deleted. You also mentioned on the AfD the current article for Tamil films. This one is mostly edited by anons, and there are not sources at all for Tamil box office collections on the net. I don't have to take care of this article. Those who want should. It first has to be deleted because if it's not, it will be constantly reverted by anons and other users who had worked on the OR content which is already on the article now, to the current version. I feel very offended that an article I had worked on for more than a year is deleted (and it was based on sources) and an article which is copied from this one and is completely unsourced and baseless still remain here in this way. ShahidTalk2me 12:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I completely understand that. But I think you too understand why I almost felt disheartened. Couldn't you help me with that by turning to someone? ShahidTalk2me 18:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. ShahidTalk2me 22:06, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie[edit]

I noticed that you had signed up to review the above, but that nothing had happened at the article talk page, probably because the nominator had not placed a template there. I have fixed that now so that you can proceed. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:49, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Crediting people?[edit]

Hello! I don't understand what you exactly mean with this response about Curtains (song). What do you mean by crediting the original authors? Thanks and have a great Easter. :) CarpetCrawlermessage me 23:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

  • There needs to be a paper trail (or in this case an electron trail) that allows a user to connect an edit to the user who made it. Therefore, it's usually a bad idea to delete the history of an article when part of the material from that article has been moved elsewhere. Perhaps you'll find Wikipedia:Merge and delete an enlightening read on this topic. - Mgm|(talk) 09:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
So basically, merge User:CarpetCrawler/Curtains (song) into "Big Time"? That article was a little confusing, as I don't fully understand what you're asking me to do. :-/ Sorry, I'm a little new at this deletion review stuff.. CarpetCrawlermessage me 10:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
OOOOOHHH!! OK, OK, I understand now. Thank you very much for the clarification. :) I'm still a little new at this, so bear with me. I'll go ahead and do the merging right now. Have a great day! :) CarpetCrawlermessage me 10:30, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

User:Hamiltons wrath?[edit]

[User talk:|This user] is doing stuff. In mainspace. I don't know much else about this, but wanted to give you a heads-up. Feel free to disregard this notice. ~user:orngjce223 how am I typing? 18:52, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chronology of Star Wars[edit]

After seeing your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chronology of the Harry Potter series, I was wondering if you were interested in joining the deletion discussion for Chronology of Star Wars, an article which has been nominated for the same reasons. Thanks, Dalejenkins | 07:51, 15 April 2009 (UTC).


Thanks, I'll get to it when I can- may have a fairly busy day today, but should be free at some point this evening. J Milburn (talk) 11:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wheel of Fortune wheel configuration[edit]

I think you're misreading. I'm not proposing a merger but a deletion, as I don't think the info in those subarticles should be anywhere. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many ottersOne hammerHELP) 18:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

A deletion review discussion you may wish to contribute to.[edit]

Hi. I've listed two deleted articles at Wikipedia:Deletion_review, following the discussion on "lists of unusual things" which took place earlier in the year. As a contributor to that discussion, you might be interested in expressing an opinion on whether the two deleted articles should be restored. SP-KP (talk) 15:40, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the message, it sounds interesting. At the moment I'm still figuring out how everything works on Wiki and learning the ropes so would love to join in later on. (CalvinFortune (talk) 15:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC))


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Happy [belated] WikiBirthday[edit]

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I saw from here that it's been exactly five years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 00:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

And a happy birthday from me too, MGM! It's great to see the old-timers still around. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 13:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


I noticed that in your comment about Forge Radio that you thought that notability should be established for each item. I would agree, with several exceptions - secondary schools, such as high schools and colleges, towns, rivers, lakes, mountains - all are items that should be covered in any encyclopedia - as long as they exist someone is going to want to find out about them, so having an article is, in my opinion, entirely appropriate, regardless of any prior news coverage etc. As to college radio stations, you really can not tell one college that they can not have an article while a thousand other college radio stations can... (talk) 05:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

  • I agree partly. Towns, rivers, lakes and mountains only need to be proven to exist as they're likely to be covered in existing encyclopedias. But unless we're talking big university, educational institutions are not likely to be covered in existing encyclopedias, so I don't believe high schools and colleges belong in that group. They should either meet WP:GNG or be extremely different from any regular institution: the first in it's field, interesting history, something that sets it apart. - Mgm|(talk) 08:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Not much point in comparing WP with "existing encyclopedias". For example, a printed encyclopedia has a finite, though large, number of pages. WP has no limit to number of pages. The criteria for inclusion is notability, not whether it is likely to exist in another encyclopedia. A secondary school is notable simply because it exists, just like a town or river. Someone is going to want to read about it, and voila we have an article about it. (talk) 12:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Jordy van Loon[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 19, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jordy van Loon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 09:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Habibah bint Kharijah ibn Zayd ibn Abi Zuhayr[edit]

Although I neither agree nor disagree with the redirect, you appear to have redirected Habibah bint Kharijah ibn Zayd ibn Abi Zuhayr to itself. Is this deliberate, or did you intend to redirect, say, to Abu Bakr? - Jarry1250 (t, c) 13:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Lesliana Pereira[edit]

Hullo. Actually there is some discrepancy here. Wiki gives her as not winning Miss Angola but the Miss Angola website says she did. Some years they have same woman as a candidate for Miss World and Miss Universe, some years different. I don't entirely understand how it works. Thanks for your support in keeping the page anyway  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 13:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi there! First of all, thanks for taking it upon yourself to review Let the Right One In (film). Per WP:ILIKEIT? On the other hand, I am slightly worried, because there's another article you are reviewing, The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie, that hasn't received any comments for almost two months. I am wondering if you are perhaps too busy, and forget about doing the reviews? I apologize in advance if this is not at all the case. decltype (talk) 16:44, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and please respond here, if possible. You can use a tb for immediate attention, but it's not strictly necessary. decltype (talk) 16:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  • NBB has severe issues, so I needed some time to put my comments into a constructive format, and yes, I forgot that one. In the mean time, I did manage to review two articles related to Faryl Smith. Your article doesn't seem to have much issues, so I am fairly certain reviewing it will not take too much time. - Mgm|(talk) 18:10, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the heads-up. decltype (talk) 19:18, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  • I've got the review on paper. I'll need to check some links and the live version of the article before I share it. Since it's late around here, I'll leave it for now and do it first thing tomorrow morning. - Mgm|(talk) 20:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Wow, that was quick. Do you do your reviews on dead trees? That's amazing. I should probably apologize for rushing you. Of course, there is no hurry at all. Sorry if I gave that impression. decltype (talk) 21:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Did you see my comment on the IP's talk page? However, as it turns out, he is a "regular" contributor. I did think the plot summary changes were good though. decltype (talk) 08:43, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

  • No, I didn't see those. I found the plot section edits pretty good, but they went a bit overboard on removing passive writing. Anyway, I noticed a fact tag indicating unreferenced material that needs to be addressed to meet the GA guidelines. You might want to take a look at it while I work on the rest of it. - Mgm|(talk) 08:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Wheel of Fortune[edit]

Why redirect if I want to get rid of the information? A redirect of "Wheel of Fortune wheel configuration" wouldn't make sense if information on the wheel's configuration isn't in the parent article at all. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many ottersOne hammerHELP) 17:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Jamarcus Sanders[edit]

Have you seen the links in the bottom, it's either unreliable (youtube and myspace) or doesn't even mention the subject the rest. Honestly it should have been speedy deleted, or the prod ran it's course. Secret account 12:46, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

  • The prod had run its course, that's why I was reviewing it. I declined the prod because on the face of it, the reason you provided didn't stroke with what was in the article. It seemed like you didn't look properly when what you actually meant was that you couldn't find anything reliable in Google. Since there was a reasonable claim to notability in the article - for example winning a teen choice award - I had doubts that the deletion would be non-controversial which is a prerequisite for PRODs. Having this run through AFD so people can dig up paper sources and go through databases not listed on Google makes sure all bases are covered. - Mgm|(talk) 17:51, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Devendra Banhart[edit]

Hi! I saw you on the reward board, inviting people to work on unreferenced articles. I took Devendra Banhart and sourced and rewrote it (old and new) :) Hekerui (talk) 20:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi User:MacGyverMagic,
regarding The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie, I left you a reply.
Thanx! and please get back to me.
ATC . Talk 21:27, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

The Great Filter[edit]

Didn't nominate it myself; he's quoting my previous close at the top. Cheers, Mackensen (talk) 23:49, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tom Buchanan AFD[edit]

Can you look at this AFD discussion? You made a mistake that Tom Buchanan article is supposedly redirects to Survivor: Africa article. All of AFD contestants of Survivor are indefinitely redirect to Survivor seasons which they first shown. ApprenticeFan talk contribs 07:57, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

I was WP:BOLD and changed it to redirect to Survivor: Africa. I think the main point was to redirect it to a sensible location. Both are sensible, but convention seems to be to go with the first season. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 04:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Arda Vandella Collins[edit]

Hi. Thanks for that - I notice the article has been updated since I originally PRODded it, and the award she was (apparently) given may swing it in favour of notability, but it'll be interesting to see.... Cheers. CultureDrone (talk) 10:47, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Pink Floyd[edit]

Thank you for the speedy keep decision on a dozen or so Pink Floyd song articles that were proposed for deletion. What I really should have done was post a notice about it at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pink Floyd, but then, so should the person who proposed the deletions. I am going to post a note there now, because a couple are still open. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:20, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the backup...[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of characters in Atomic Betty. Since Atomic Betty is a fave of mine, I've been working hard at improving that article, including the cites. I didn't need to see it all go down the tubes. Thanks! --BlueSquadronRaven 14:52, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


Thanks The scandalous thing is that I've done something this stupid before. I appreciate your input. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 17:05, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Solstice (film)[edit]

I am entirely baffled as to why this was sent to AfD. I easily found dozens of ENGLISH news articles and reviews. I have "rescued" other articles that had far less and were more difficult to source. This one was so easy. Was WP:BEFORE even used? I invite you to take a look at my rescue. Any tweaks you think still needed? I feel like trouting someone.... Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:09, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


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That is, I think I have addressed all the issues raised. decltype (talk) 07:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Extension of Reward Board posting?[edit]

Hi, I'm wondering if you might extend your referencing reward board posting another month? I know you've extended it several times. I just discovered the reward board and I have been working on referencing some smaller articles. I won't have time to really get a lot done (I don't think) before your posting expires so I was just taking a shot in the dark hoping you might extend it a month? Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy Queen's Day![edit]

She's waving at you, Mac. Please report back to say how Koninginnedag was this year.
  • Jeetje, ik zie net het nieuws--wat een droefenis. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
    • A week or so ago I thought about asking you to report live from the festivities, on 30 April and 5 May, and to tell me what 4 May was like these days, at 8PM. A long time ago I was in the Nieuwe Kerk for the service on 4 May, with Queen Bee in attendance--it was the most solemn occasion I'd ever been part of. That whole week, from Koninginnedag to 5 May, is my favorite week in the Netherlands and I miss it very much. The accident, if that's what it was, even made it into the local paper here in Alabama. On the happiest day on the Dutch calendar--words really fail me. Take care Mac! Drmies (talk) 14:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Care to offer an opinion...[edit]

...on this list? ... either as an essay or an addition to WP:NF? Reliable sources for horror films. Its still undergoing a lot of work, but I think I have made some decent progress. Care to assist? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:58, 2 May 2009 (UTC)


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references or sources[edit]

Sorry for my engliush. You put ths advise in 4 pages that I've created of 4 movies. but, tell me, what references or sources I can put:

  • the movie existe: there's a link to imdb
  • the interwiki existe

I don't understand which kind of references I'll inserte. tell me few examples, that I resolve the situation. --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, tell if I do correctly here? I inseart two facts: the selling of the dvd including the movie and the review. Tell me if you consider Amazon good like source (ther's also rottentomatos, but also at this page report the new). Google report 1.420 results with these keys: +"Pippi Goes on Board" +" Olle Hellbom" +"Pippi Longstocking" --Kasper2006 (talk) 16:06, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

more GAN[edit]

Hi, sorry to bother you again. I just wondered if you would have the time to add further comments or conclude the GAN soon. I really want to get it out of the way before I undertake any major article work. decltype (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for that, wasn't aware. Changed my vote to straight delete. GainLine 16:54, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Most of the information is already there in the S2S article. If there's anything relevant from the fleet article, then it can be easily added afterwards. GainLine 18:46, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Those school articles[edit]

Objection overruled, Mgm. Nobody is barred from editing the school district article, since it hasn't actually been nominated. Later. Mandsford (talk) 19:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

A7 and schools[edit]

Due to the controversial disagreements on notability for schools, A7 explicitly does not apply to schools. High/Secondary schools are considered to be inherently notable. ViperSnake151  Talk  23:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

  • If it is controversial, it needs to be discussed in an AFD. Keeping without consensus is just as bad as deletion without consensus. - Mgm|(talk) 07:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

You have mail[edit]

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Jeopardy! images[edit]

Regarding the images, Jeopardy! Set Evolution was just deleted and salted (it was already deleted twice as Jeopardy! set evolution, now a locked redirect). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many ottersOne hammerHELP) 18:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi! I love stars and saw the deadline was extended on the reward board: old and new :) Hekerui (talk) 00:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greeley West High School[edit]

(copied from deletion discussion) See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Education which says "Most elementary and middle schools that don't claim notability are now getting deleted in AfD, with high schools in most cases being kept.". What are examples of articles about Netherlands highschool-equivalent "middelbare," which have been deleted despite as many references as this article? Or were you just setting up a straw-man argument claiming nonexistent discrimination? If you want to create a notability guideline which sets the bar different from the actual defacto standard shown in AFD outcomes, see the failed efforts at Wikipedia:schools. Notability guidelines generally just restate the community consensus as expressed in actual AFDs, rather than enacting into law what a few editors feel the standard "should" be. The Netherlands Wikipedia article on Middelbare says they were secondary schools, (like high schools) but the term was replaced in the last quarter of the 20th century by "voortgezet onderwijs." Feel free to create referenced articles about any you are interested in. If you want to get right to work improving articles about Netherlands high schools, see [Category:Secondary schools in the Netherlands Category:Secondary schools in the Netherlands, which contains 6 (mostly unreferenced) articles. But there they seem to call them "colleges." What gives? Edison (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Referencing reward board posting[edit]

I've done some work per your Reward Board posting. The following articles have been referenced: Randall Hodgkinson, Dallas Brass, Abyssal zone, Mehmet Ali Aybar, Israel Museum, Dejvice. The first two are way below the 1,500 character threshold you established. The third one, Abyssal zone is border line so I'll just donate those for the good of the cause. The final three should meet the 1,500 character limit. Please let me know if it meets your requirements, if not I'll be happy to put further work into them. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 20:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hey I was wondering if you might be able to take a look at this work and see if it meets your Reward Board posting requirements. Thanks. H1nkles (talk) 21:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie[edit]

Hi User:MacGyverMagic,
the article went through a copyedit, and I've done some edits myself and am wondering if you could grade it now.
Thanx and I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
ATC . Talk 17:46, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Editing The Toni Seawright Wiki Page[edit]

Hello Mr. User:MacGyverMagic,
This article has been nominated for deletion by C.Fred. However, he did write in his reply to you, if someone referenced an article in "People" magazine and prove the references per her appearance on the show in which her son's a co-star, and show articles that would verify that she really is Qaasim's Mother of Naked Brothers Band, then he would rescind the nomination. Nonetheless, I did better than that. Although we have no "People" magazine references to document, we do have the TIMES magazine, as well as The NY TIMES Paper. They are on the page for your viewing. However, I am not familiar with how they should be edited (w/the number by the words referencing the articles in the reference section, etc.) Evenstill, I've put the necessary references as requested. However, I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to do any of this. I am writing to ask that you please help us edit Ms. Seawright's Board with your expertise and we would be so indebted and grateful for you to do so. I thank you, in advance, DenieceBetts(talk) 16:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I know exactly who Toni Seawright is.
You should've just made a sandbox page and I would've fixed it up.
Never mind about that, I'll take a look and clean it up a bit - to a decent article.
ATC . Talk 14:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Am I on the wrong track here?[edit]

I am trying to counter arguments that are acting as if the strictures of WP:ENTERTAINER and WP:CREATIVE and even WP:BIO supercede WP:GNG. Am I on the wrong track, as I am not making a dent in the delete opinions, all of whom use the same logic. See THIS. If I am wrong, let me know so i can do an about-face. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

  • No, you're perfectly correct in that line of thought. Someone else gave the exact same reasoning roughly a week ago in some debates and I agreed with them. - Mgm|(talk) 08:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
    Thanks for that. In looking over some AfD discussions in the past, I see that I got all fouled up defending some who barely met creative or entertainer thus making a weak arguments, when I should have simply stayed with GNG and N and had much stronger position. Best to you, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 16:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Rescue contest?[edit]

Hello! You are the only editor listed as a judge at the article rescue contest that I have seen around and so who probably knows me. Anyway, I proposed a new one at Wikipedia_talk:Article_Rescue_Squadron#Contest_2.3F and would be interested in your thoughts. You are welcome to let anyone else who participated on the previous project know as well, but anyway, that just struck me as a great idea worthy of a sequel. I can only see good coming out of it. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 07:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


I simply don't think (if anyone's counting) three Merges and one Keep with comments attached to it is really sufficient debate to merge the article. Should I leave this explanation on the AfD's talk page, or by the relist template? One (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've left an explanation; I copied said explanation from what I said above (sans the "should I leave this..." bit, of course). I hope that's alright. One (talk) 15:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Martha Finnemore[edit]

The article on Martha Finnemore has changed substantially since you commented on its nomination for deletion. You may want to take a second look. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Faryl Smith/Faryl[edit]

Her American tour is over, and the articles have been updated as appropriate. Do you think it would be possible to complete the reviews now? Thanks. J Milburn (talk) 11:40, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

That's great, thanks. J Milburn (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Cross-namespace redirects[edit]

As someone who was actually involved in the editing of the essay being bandied about, perhaps you'd like to contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 May 14#WP:ISOL. I'd ask Rossami and Zoz as well, but they appear to be inactive. Uncle G (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Let the Right One In (film)[edit]

Hi MacGyverMagic, you seem to be getting slightly backlogged with your GAR's. If you do not have the time to conclude your review I'll just ask nicely over at WT:GAN for someone to pick it up. No hard feelings or anything, I know now how much work it is to do the reviews in a proper manner. decltype (talk) 04:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Follow up done. - Mgm|(talk) 09:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The Naked Brothers Band: The Movie GA review[edit]

Hi, as you have not responded to comments here, I am posting regarding the lack of progress on this review at Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations Jezhotwells (talk) 18:19, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

RE:Naked Brothers Band[edit]

Thank you so much for getting back to me.
I understand as a human being you have got a lot of things to deal with in your personal life.
ATC . Talk 10:28, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Your comments[edit]

RE: Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron_(4th_nomination)

Funny. I would never say that out loud, but funny. Ikip (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Referencing (the greed/do-something-different motivated variety)[edit]

Hello Mgm,

I am new to referencing articles, and have attacked emblem, which had been languishing in the oldest monthly category for unreferenced articles, and seemed the highest importance entry there.

Do please take a look at emblem, and let me know if the referencing is okay and what I should improve - if you have any time.

Thanks, --James Chenery (talk) 18:11, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

  • Instead of linking pages that collect information and put it together like freedictionary and, you should directly cite their sources. (especially since is partly an invalid source (Wikipedia itself) - Mgm|(talk) 13:31, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I shall add more book citations on Tuesday night or Wednesday.--James Chenery (talk) 16:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


FYI. Please let me know if you have objections or otherwise feel it is inappropriate. decltype (talk) 02:32, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

  • I intended to check all my GA reviews two days ago, but I totally forgot this was still open and focused on other articles. My apologies. It's now a GA. Please make this main page material Wikipedia deserves some FA's on good films :) - Mgm|(talk) 08:30, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
    Having become more familiar with the GA process, I realize that the timespan from when I nominated it to you passed it is not very long, after all. I should probably have allowed you more time to finish up before offering it to someone else. I'm sorry about that, and I hope you do not hold it against me.
    As for making it FA, that is something I am definitely aiming for in the long term. For now, my main priority is to get Lina to GA status.
    Thanks for your review and improvements. decltype (talk) 08:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:Good articles/recent[edit]

Hey MacGyverMagic/Archive. I would just to update you on some developments with the WP:Good articles/recent page. Following a bot request, it became apparent that it would be handy to have a bot pipe new additions to WP:GA onto the /recent subpage. Now, I admit that the bot's been having a few problems, but I hope these have now been worked out. It should mean that every 5 minutes the newest additions are added automatically, so all users like you have to do is add the newly listed GA to WP:GA and let the bot do the work. Of course, you're allowed to do it yourself, but you don't have to. Essentially though, you can either carry on as normal or take advantage of the bot, as you wish. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 08:34, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Maury Markowitz[edit]

Since you commented in the Great Clay Belt deletion review, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Maury Markowitz and redirect deletions. Feel free to ignore or remove this if you're not. --NE2 13:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

References for emblem[edit]

Hello Mgm,

I have changed the references for the article on emblems to sources. Am I making any other silly mistakes? Also, am I right in thinking that when it comes to dictionary definitions, that we cannot use Wiktionary as a source? The links I have added are to the online dictionaries of dictionary publishers, and I have tried to spread the links between several companies.

Thanks, James --James Chenery (talk) 07:13, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I have formatted the references, some of them with an auto-formatting tool, and have stripped one of the dictionary references (which was in the wrong place as well) and replaced it with a named reference tag for the first instance.
Are there any particular articles you would like to see referenced? I am afraid I have very little access to books written in a language I can read, so most of my references will be derived from the internet.--James Chenery (talk) 16:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sofia Rotaru[edit]

The content you referred to, is still present in the article. It was either doubled already or moved to another section in my later edits. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 12:51, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

NowCommons: File:Quintote colony counter.jpg[edit]

File:Quintote colony counter.jpg is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:File:Quintote colony counter.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all Wikimedia wikis. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case: [[File:Quintote colony counter.jpg]]. Note that this is an automated message to inform you about the move. This bot did not copy the image itself. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 12:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Wilbur.gif is now available as Commons:File:RayLymanWilbur.gif. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tyler Herron[edit]

A trout for both of us on this one. Me for relisting it after 5 days and you for closing it "no consensus" after 5 days. The subject doesn't meet WP:ATHLETE but there are some that feel that first round draft picks meet WP:GNG. I relisted it a little early because it appeared that the discussion had died and was heading for a relist anyway. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mary Gallagher[edit]

You know, if you're going to blatantly ignore the actual consensus of delete votes at the very least close it as "no consensus", but to declare the consensus as "Keep" is misleading and seems to be just to give your own vote more weight than other people. And, yeah, I know, I can take it to deletion review, but that's pointless as anything posted there gets the standard people who support any Keep for no reason as well as the admins who think no admin should be questioned about anything. But, seriously, that whole AFD was wikilawyered to death from beginning to end, and you should be ashamed of your part in the process. DreamGuy (talk) 17:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Estonia–Luxembourg relations[edit]

Hello, I've recently tried to restore this page to a version which can be improved upon (a non-protected, non-disambiguation page) and I wondered if I could get your opinion about whether it is currently up to the quality which we expect of every Wikipedia article. I would appreciate your comments on the article at User:Cdogsimmons/Estonia–Luxembourg relations on the talk page there, and further improvements that would get it closer to inclusion status are always welcome. Thanks.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 23:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

  • In general, my personal opinion on what is acceptable doesn't really agree with what the community beliefs in general. The easiest option is to merge anything new in the foreign relations of Estonia and wait with a split until the article grows too large. If you really want a second opinion, it's probably better to have your rewrite assessed at DRV. - Mgm|(talk) 07:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

A request less ordinary[edit]

Hey Mgm-

I don't know if I'm going to ring a bell with you, but I'm A Train - I used to go by my real name, Fernando Rizo before that. My most active days on the project were 2005-2007, and it's tough to find active editors still around from then!

I've got a bit of an unusual request for you, and I completely understand if you want to say no: I want you to be my watchdog for a little while.

My employer, Ketchum has recently under merged with another company, Pleon. I'd like to go in and make some edits to the Ketchum article, and I'd like another experienced user to watch my edits objectively to make sure that there's no appearance of my conflict of interest seeping in. I'm not talking about any super-long term stuff here: have a look at my edits over the next week or so and make sure everything's kosher, and set me straight on the talk page if not.

What say you?

Cheers, A Traintalk 11:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

"Eva Golinger" article deletion[edit]

Why did you delete an entire article/entry on Eva Golinger? I don't find the typical boilerplate excuse "copyright infringement" to be an acceptable answer whatsoever. This is a political person of some importance here. I find your judgement on this -- strange. Your motives, perhaps ulterior.

Pazouzou (talk) 18:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Two people with the same name - what should I do?[edit]

Dear MacGyverMagic

Thank you for the excellent answer[[17]] that you provided to the question in the Subject line (back in August 2005)

I am a complete novice and will be making my first contribution to Wikipedia today.

If I should struggle along the way, will you be able and willing to assist please?

Thank you for your time,

--Options Trader 21:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by OptionsTraderOnWiki (talkcontribs)

Could you please check my page?[edit]

Dear MacGyverMagic

My first contribution is finished.

If you have time, will you please have a look and let me know if I have kept to Wikipedias rules and guidelines?

Thank you for your time and assistance,

--Options Trader 08:39, 8 July 2009 (UTC) (OptionsTraderOnWiki) —Preceding unsigned comment added by OptionsTraderOnWiki (talkcontribs)

William Parente[edit]

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Parente (2nd nomination). Thank you. Alchaenist (talk) 19:31, 8 July 2009 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

me and the bookkeeper are walking out of here[edit]

Hey Mac, long time no see! How are things? I did a little Dutch thing over at Annie M.G. Schmidt, FYI. Listen, there's an AfD out on Remote bookkeeping, for all the right reasons. One editor proposes a redirect to Bookkeeping and I agree--is it done to be so bold as to redirect it while it's still under discussion? I guess it's not OK to redirect, in such a case, without a merger, right? Your advice is, as always, greatly appreciated. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


I've sent you mail. Raul654 (talk) 19:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Fact of the Day II?[edit]

Hi, I see that you created Wikipedia:Fact of the Day a long time ago. I've had an idea for something like this for a while, and decided to write it up today at User:John Vandenberg/Worm of Facts. I'm happy to change the terminology from "Fact of the Day" to something else, and it may not even get off the ground. Just thought you might be interested. John Vandenberg (chat) 08:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

What is the difference[edit]

Hi Mac, can you please explain me the difference between: and ?? Why do you delete my page and Shutterstock don't? Is there something missing in my article? Thx for your answer! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:44, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

another set of eyes...[edit]

I an considering going live with User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/National Fibromyalgia Association. I'm feeling pretty good about 10 hours of work. Please take a look and advise of any concerns. Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 07:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Western Arrernte[edit]

I was a bit shocked to see that you had put erroneous misleading information suggesting or stating that Mutitjulu at Uluru and Watarrka King's Canyon as Western Arrernte country where clearly it belongs to Anangu and is traditionally visited for millenia by Luritja, Yangkuntjatjara, Pitjantjatjara, Ngaatjatjara and possibly Nyaatjatjara too.Mifren (talk) 20:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


Hey MGM, where are you? The place isn't the same without you around. Drmies (talk) 17:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Timewave_zero#Redirect proposal[edit]

Notice: You commented in an Article for deletion for Timewave zero / Novelty theory, an RFC has been opened on whether this article should be replaced with a Redirect. Please comment on the above link. Lumos3 (talk) 15:48, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Drag Strip and Motormaster[edit]

Hello. I cam back to you because you settled a question once before. Hope that's okay. The same guy who nominated Motormaster for deletion in December has now nominated Drag Strip. They seem like similar articles and he's using similar arguements, and the decision was to NOT delete Motormaster. Is that some sort of presidence to keep Drag Strip too? Thanks for your help. Mathewignash (talk) 00:37, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

"Egyptian Medical Students' Association" page deletion on May 2009![edit]


I have created a page on wikipedia introducing the Egyptian Medical Students' Association, which is a legally recognized Non-Governmental Organization (NGO), registered at the Egyptian Ministry of Social Affairs under license number 7167 for the year 2007 - Cairo.

And according to the Egyptian law, it is the sole legal organization representing Egyptian medical students both inside and outside the Egyptian territories.

A user called Alnokta, claimed that we do not exist, and we are using the name of another organization while the easiest proof for this is our website domain which is and as you surely know, the domain extension of any country is not given to any association unless it is legally recognized within the country itself, which ist he case iwth us, and not with the other claimed organization.

I need an explanation on why you deleted the page without warning me or giving me the chance to answer the lies that you've been told.

EMSA is an NGO, with its website, structure and existence that no one can question and the proofs are many!

I need you to allow me to recreate the EMSA-Egypt page on wikipedia, and warn me beforehand if anyone tried to manipulate it so as to harm our association in any means.

Thanks, and have a nice day! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dra3b (talkcontribs) 10:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Rewrite of Rock hyrax[edit]

I see you've made several contributions in the past to the page Rock hyrax. I've pretty much rewritten the page, putting things on a much more encyclopedic basis, and rationalising a lot of stuff that was scattered around the article. I'll leave it in my sandbox User:Arikk/Sandbox/Rock_Hyrax for a couple of days before replacing the existing page (although I think it's already much better), but if anyone wants to comment, please do so on my talk page. Arikk (talk) 14:09, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Constant vandalism and disruption[edit]

I don't understand why you admins turn blind to Tajik (talk · contribs) when he goes around use sockpuppets in your faces and vandalize pages after pages. Is Wikipedia some type of gang related website? User:Tajik is removing sourced material from articles, this is vandalism and you admins allow it. He uses the excuse "falsification and POVs" but it's really him doing those if you concentrate on his edits. These are only few examples: [18], [19], [20], [21], [22] He and Inuit18 (talk · contribs) (sockpuppet of Anoshirawan) pops up as a tag-team and usually at the same time, I believe that account is shared by him and someone in USA who's English is not so great. It's so strange that he comes everyday but only edit very little, so it's very likely that he's using sockpuppets to evade his 1 RR restriction. Tajik pretends that he is against POVs but it's he that is a POV pusher."The author - in this case al-Biruni - is referring to the Suleiman Mountains. In that case, it is highly probable that he was referring to Pashtuns, because he had described them as a "Hindu people" before.... Tajik (talk) 01:10, 26 June 2009 (UTC)". It's very clear for readers here that Tajik hates Pashtuns with great passion so he wants to give them a new history which would make them being Hindus when all the scholars, history books, encyclopedias, and the Pashtuns themselves, disagree. There is "zero traces" of any Hindu culture among the Pashtuns. Anyway, Tajik was blocked 17 times and banned for a whole year but he doesn't seem to care about any of that, he just wants to remove things from articles that he doesn't agree with or doesn't like. This is a serious problem and you guys should put an end to it. I also believe Muxlim (talk · contribs) is him.

invitation to commons:category:Collaborative work[edit]

Dear MacGyverMagic ;

I kindly invite you to participate at the development of a new game at commons:category:Collaborative work. Please take a look at the related talk page. You might be interested on some card tricks. Just look at Medias (examples). Best regards Gangleri
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 12:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I moved the page to commons:Commons:Story (game) - collaborative work. Best regards
‫·‏לערי ריינהארט‏·‏T‏·‏m‏:‏Th‏·‏T‏·‏email me‏·‏‬ 02:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary!!!![edit]

Admin mop.PNG Wishing MacGyverMagic/Archive/2009-2010 a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! MisterWiki talking! :-D - 14:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC) 80px
OK. --MisterWiki talking! :-D (SIGN!!!/REVIEW) 12:09, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
And welcome back! Bongomatic 22:32, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Long time no see[edit]

Hey MGM, nice to hear from you again. I'm sorry to hear about bickering and all--is that what you get for being an admin? I'm trying to stay out of arguments, though I don't always succeed; your advice to me has often been to cool down and back off, and I try to listen to you. Anyway, I gotta run off to school, but I hope you will stick around. Important work remains to be done: Sinterklaas is still woefully underreferenced. Later, Drmies (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

  • Some of it has to do with being an admin. You can't block and delete without getting lots of abuse hurled at you. And even article creation isn't a safe way to spend your time. There have been numerous times I had to defend an article before I've even written it because someone else wrote something wholefully insufficient, causing others to believe the topic is not worthy of inclusion no matter what the content or the author. Very depressing. Hopefully, things will improve at some point... - Mgm|(talk) 08:45, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
They won't. It's all downhill from here. We can only rise above it and enjoy the small victories against the tide of defeat. Bongomatic 09:38, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Bongo, such defeatism--from an American! I am saddened. Think "yes we can!" Mac, I'm sorry to hear you've had such experiences. I'm actually fairly pleased with how things are going for me here--but then, I'm not doing much work on AfD anymore and barely keep track of what's going on at ANI and other official boards. I'm interested, for instance, in like this, but I don't understand what particular process is going on here, how these things get started, how decisions are reached, what kinds of decisions those are, who gets to yell at who, etc. For you, that's a different matter. But if you thought you had to handle abuse, you may not have it as hard as some others...not that I want to diminish what you have to endure, which I'm sure is plenty. Anyways, I gotta run and take a philosopher to lunch--take it easy! Drmies (talk) 17:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
That first link is an arbitration case and you really don't want to know the nitty gritty about those. I've spent some time as a clerk on arbcom cases and merely watching the proceedings can be extremely depressing. I'm wondering how people manage to nominate themselves for the job. - Mgm|(talk) 13:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)


Sorry, haven't done one in forever. Thanks. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:55, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


I'm not sure if he is notable. I found reviews like the ones that I found for Love Horse so I'm not sure if he is notable. Joe Chill (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

And I found local news. He's not notable. Joe Chill (talk) 21:39, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


I have sent you an e-mail. --Tenmei (talk) 01:54, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Remington high wall[edit]

Did you find any information about the Remington high wall? PDCook (talk) 14:31, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

RFA Question[edit]

It's a repeat of a question I was asked in my own RFA. No, there have not been any AFDs like that to my knowledge (though I have seen ones that were in ways similar to it). I asked the question since I was unsure of the candidate's stance on AFDs confusing, and that asking the question I wrote would help me decide. Is it that nightmarish? -WarthogDemon 01:46, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Question about using a video/movie[edit]


see user's talk page

Hi Mac, (or do you prefer MGM?)

I just want to say thanks for responding to my question about How to post a video/movie? on the Help Desk. I've tried your suggestion, and here's what I've come up with. Here's the code for a video from my page...

File:Pathfinders to Peace.ogg
The Shinnyo-en Foundation presents Maria Shriver with its 2009 "Pathfinders to Peace" Award.

Here's the code for a video from Barack Obama's page...

File:20090124 WeeklyAddress.ogv|left|thumb|Obama presents his first weekly address as President of the United States, discussing the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. (NOTE: It's in the "[[ ]]" brackets)

Obama presents his first weekly address as President of the United States, discussing the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009.

See how his video has a play button and a screen capture shot and mine is just a simple listing of the filename? Mine is in the right format, and it will actually play if you download it, but it's missing the play button and the screen shot image. It almost looks like the play button is part of the art that's uploaded at the time the movie is uploaded. Here's the master of Obama's movie...

I'm very confused. Anyway, I just want to say Thank You! for your advice and I appreciate your help. Many, many videos are uploaded to Wikipedia everyday. I wonder how I can find an expert on this topic? Eric. Scubeesnax (talk) 20:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Dementra - Page[edit]

Dear MGM,

Regarding the Dementra page that is up for deletion. All information there is true, however what you said is also true has shut down So we have taken off the chart topping bit. Please review the page let us know if it is allrite. is our domain and it is hosted on a sub page that belongs to which is my personal website.

Hoping to hear from you soon.

Warm Regards & many Thanks, Brian D'Souza (Dementra) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:51, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

the page deleted by you[edit]

   * 11:46, 11 February 2009 MacGyverMagic (talk | contribs) deleted "Notes of a Young Doctor" ‎ (Book never existed, not enough material for an article. (

The book does exist, you can by it on Amazon:

I think the book is marvelous and Bulgakov himself was a genius. So please, put back the page.


Roman —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:40, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

  • The Amazon link you provided is about "A Country Doctor's Notebook" and not "Notes of a Young Doctor". They are two different works and as the link I provided ( during the deletion said "Notes of a Young Doctor" was never published. As for the other book. Please consider Wikipedia's notability guidelines (WP:GNG and WP:BK). Existence alone is not enough for an article in Wikipedia. The deleted article said "A short story collection by Mikhail Bulgakov, based on his work as a country doctor in 1916–1919." That is not an article, but a statement which could easily have been covered in the author's article if it were true. You might find Wikipedia:Stub helpful in this regard. - Mgm|(talk) 10:33, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret Maryo Chronicles (3 nomination)[edit]

Since you have participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret Maryo Chronicles (four years ago), you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Secret Maryo Chronicles (3 nomination). Tim Song (talk) 07:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

And now, for FV's traditional last-minute nonsectarian holiday greeting![edit]

Windbuchencom.jpg Here’s wishing you a happy end to the holiday season and a wonderful 2010.
Fvasconcellos (t·c) 15:20, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

FYI Prod[edit]

An article you edited Connecticut International Baccaulerate Academy has been proposed for deletion because of the existence of Connecticut International Baccalaureate Academy--SPhilbrickT 01:23, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Gelukkig nieuwjaar![edit]

En het allerbeste in 2010, MGM, whether I see you around or not. It's been a pleasure hanging out with and learning from you. All the best, Drmies (talk) 07:30, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Telly stars in plot to raise cash[edit]

Did you ever get (or still need) this file?--droptone (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2010 (UTC)